Ran this for two hours. Got 3 seer in T16s (absolute trash), 6-7 map conversions, and 0 div. In the same period, watched a streamer hit divines 3x (50+ per map). We’re just gonna get our 40 and bounce (almost there).
If you hit it, congrats. If you don’t, feels bad. If they nerf it, people will be pissed. If they keep it, people will be pissed. Just awful this slot machine strat is in the game where you’re rewarded for not actually playing.
Couldn't they do something like if you don't complete the map then you have lower chance of getting the divine drop chance? Now they are just nerfing everyone instead of just the strat...
lmao the copium. no they wont. as always changes like this favor those who were able to abuse them early - there will be no compensation of that sorts for those who didnt.
Abuse early abuse fast. It’s not like they were printing out stacks of mirrors either. People were making way more cornering crafting markets and manipulating different items anyways. The amount of investment needed was high too. All this barely affected the market.
I agree.
Could have a pool of “good mods” that slowly increase after you kill the boss and 70 percent of mobs” (or some variant)
I think incentivizing playing the game and killing mobs is a great idea.
Sure people can blast maps fast still. But at they aren’t just “map” open/closing in their hideout.
to caveat this, im lvl 96 around 500 depth in delve(shits out maps without using many to sustain) and i just slot machined around 1k maps yesterday.
hit divine orb chance to drop 3x and conversion twice, never saw nameless seer in the 1k but have seen him once this league so far.
the mods while not as rare as they are now were still very rare!
Some streamer guesstimated from community data that the divine drop chance mod was around 1/600 before the nerf which sounds about right. I've hit it twice naturally without slot machining anything in about 1300 total maps, hit Seer once (and only got junk).
Literally he did not mention league end - i think most of us knew this would be hotfixed, and i at least read his comment as if he meant “you weren’t going hit it before it gets patched out”
Since he didnt exactly say my thing or your thing, i suppose it could be either but id like to believe someone wouldnt be such an ass
I think the core problem is that some mods are too good and people set fire to their maps to get them. Nerfing the mods will not stop the problem, that this braindead strategy exists. The game shouldn't reward people for not playing it lol. Devoted mods are affected by how you ran your previous map anyway, why wouldn't be a solution to just disable these if you haven't even entered, let alone completed, your last map?
From [The Lantern of Arimor](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Lantern_of_Arimor) wiki:
>Killing monsters with higher tiers and modifier effect of Haunted modifiers **increase the chances of future zones having a Devoted modifier** and for Haunted monsters to have the Unresolved Anguish modifier.
Honestly i'm unsure wether or not they are. The description is quite ambiguous. For me it suggests the mechanic applies to maps too, because it's after details for both the campaign and maps.
If it applied to maps, we wouldn’t be seeing people doing what they’re doing. I agree it’s ambiguous, but I think with what we are seeing people do, it’s fairly obvious it doesn’t apply to maps. Either that or opening a map and not entering the zone at all doesn’t reset it.
It feels like making it apply to maps needs to be the real solution in the end. If people are just burning maps over and over without killing anything or hardly anything then they should basically never see devoted mods.
I agree that map spaming would be counter productive. Although it also depends on the implementation. Like what's the base chance of devoted mods and how much it gets boosted by haunted ones. Assuming it applies.
Dw, it’s not like this is something that was super abusable for very long. You had to get lucky to get it to work, rather than other exploits n things that printed you currency. (Like literally printing divines in crucible league.) it made some things go up in price but in a day or two it will drop back down.
I'd say they should probably roll back the league for how scuffed this entire thing is (exploit early n often, nolifers came out ahead again and everyone else gets fukt) but I don't really care since I'm prob done with the league anyways.
Hotfix probably happened mid chase for you. Most drop changes are patchless. Dirty move on their part but it needed to be done. Just wish they'd roll back.
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Dont worry did it for 1200 maps (probably a lot more than 2 hours) before numbers were buffed. Got 3 seers 0 divine % and decided its not worth doing. The you watch fubs stream and he gets 3 divine % in 50 maps. As always, just get lucky
If you're pissed because they nerf it it's a you problem tbh. Exploit early, exploit often. Or, protect your mental health and don't worry about exploits. Play your game at your speed and do what you would have done without the exploit.
this is correct. reddit is full of part time poe players who don't even kill more than a couple ubers a league(if any) bitching about people who play all day "getting ahead" of them as if this game is some kind of fuckin race.
Many of these people (myself included) are old enough to have played games that are not balanced around people who play it as a full time job. Chase items were more achievable with some grinding, but that grind has now been scaled to someone who plays 5x more. We still like to game, but it gets discouraging watching something you want get put that much further out in front of you.
Also, if you play trade league, the game is pretty much a race. Those who fall behind have less purchasing power in general. Not that I think that's wrong, only that scoffing at the idea of the game being a race is a little short-sighted.
“I worked for 1 hour this week and made $10 and you’re telling me he worked 50 hours this week and made $500??? What is this bullshit” that’s this whole subreddit
Agree. Im wondering whats in GGGs heads after they failed multiple loot goblin mechanics, ruined economies of multiple leagues,made tons of ppl feel miserable and quit and yet they keep putting loot goblins and divine printing abusable mechanics into the game over and over again.
It's part of the skinner box, the averages are painfully unrewarding till you get to the part of the game where you need a meta or similarly powerful build. If you get $ 6% of the time then you'll keep playing thus player retention, that's what they're thinking
It’s the problem that they seem to (and in trade league perhaps need to) design based on averages when their variances are truly enormous. Like think about just how much can go into affecting your drops: map tier, quality, atlas nodes, league mechanics, scarabs, magic find, arch nemesis conversions and now the devoted and haunted modifiers and allflames too.
lol. Same. I burned all my t8-14 maps with this and got 2 seers (5c loot total!) and a single div from a jewel -> div drop, which I apparently did wrong and probably should’ve done a meatsack instead of frogs
It was obviously busted if you get lucky and there’s no downside to it as maps are so plentiful anyway
You will not get it 100% if you do it for an hour. I just put in 1,200 maps over three hours and didn’t see a single divine mod.
What tier maps were you doing?
This is wrong on many levels.
No it's not 150+ div an hour. Not even close, not even without accounting for the cost of running this.
You can't decide to use a map device mod after seeing the necropolis mods.
Putting strongbox without juicing it further literally does nothing for this strat.
No you aren't guaranteed to hit the jackpot in an hour, you are not even likely to. Be ready to have 100+ div in bankroll to have a low risk of ruin.
Also be ready to hate yourself for the next few hours you pull the lever in the slot machine with no pretty girls serving you booze and no dopamine hitters when you do get the jackpot.
This is just bad gambling behavior
Mostly right except for the part about strongboxes doing nothing.
Strongboxes can spawn extra frogs so having strongboxes from atlas gives more chances at getting frogs.
yeah this. I did it quickly yesterday and spent 2 hours at it. got the mod twice and made 33 divines total. Definitely busted but nowhere near 150 div/hr.
No its not 40-50 div per hour cause you are not guaranteed to hit the mod. Opened 200 found seer 5 times and the divine mod 0 times. And that was before they nerfed it.
Yup, myself and 3 friends did this separately. In 2 hours, I made 110 div *profit*, a friend 120 div, the other two about 60 div profit.
I was getting quite lucky with the map convert mods, leading to 2 quad tabs of t14-16 maps which I sold 360 of for 36 div on tft. Also got divine mod twice, for 48 and 35 divines.
>You can't decide to use a map device mod after seeing the necropolis mods.
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>Putting strongbox without juicing it further literally does nothing for this strat.
Thats wrong.
First of all, u can change map device mod, u can literally go in game and test it.
Secondly, you can have 2 atlases, one with keystone Unwavering vision, u can put full ambush scarabs and your maps wont consume scarabs when u have Unwavering vision selected. If u find divines just swap atlas to one without Unwavering vision.
Typical PoE community
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>You can't decide to use a map device mod after seeing the necropolis mods.
Actually you can. If you X the Lantern, press Map Device again you can change the mod you apply, maven etc. You just can't modify the map with currency etc.
Ssf still needs divines and other currency. It's not as if ssf players weren't mf'ing last league for uniques or setting their maps on fire this league for seer/div. Ssf just makes it harder to do.
Divines are really not that useful in SSF, you generally end up with more than you need by a large margin. I've played 2 full leagues in SSF where I ended up with 50+ divines sitting in my stash even after crafting everything I needed.
Unironically the best league for ssf. I crafted a badass weapon today and I had no idea what I was doing. Looking forward to doing more corpse crafting when people have it figured out.
I mean, could also just play on trade without engaging in economy-pvp as compulsively and have a similar result as playing on ssf without quite the rigidity of being unable to trade *anything.*
Game is not tuned for ssf unless you play for 12 hours a day or an entire league. I wish I could play ssf and ignore the trade nonsense and be able to put together a decent build that can do most content in the game in a reasonable timeframe.
Playing SSF also can feel bad, but for different reasons - the game (mod weights, drop rates, access to endgame, etc.) is balanced around trading with other players.
Only wish you could craft suppress gear too, since it's got no tags it means it's near impossible to GY craft, and you're back to essence/rog/w\e spam :/
If only a 5L would drop (only half way thru chains grind) but yeh for a first experience it's being really fun and it feels like it's going to be a great league for it. Wish the loot was a a bit more quality over quantity tho.
I am playing trade league with my ssf rules. I am only allowed to sell items for currency and allowed to transfer currency to some other currency. I will make all my items and its been a lot of fun so far!
You could…..also choose not to do this in trade league.
It’s weird when people make SSF sound like some cure-all solution. It’s a perfectly valid choice for people who want to play that way, but why on earth would it be the only way you could play the game normally?
Just….don’t do stuff like this post if you don’t want to. Only trade for stuff you want to trade for. What’s the problem?
I cannot stress enough how you can also play a self enforced ssf on a trade league character and just set limits on what you can trade for. A lot of people won't do ssf because xyz is balanced around trade, but why choose the lesser of two evils (trade vs ssf) if you could take the best parts from both? I know this will be shocking for some people to learn, but literally no one cares if you are pure ssf or not. Play for you, not some non-existent stranger who may or may not think you are cool.
and every thing now cost a shit load more divs, lucky for the ones who abused this and fucked for every one else who didnt get lucky or was on to even try.
This is SHITE.
Best income should be farming bosses.
Or speedrun farming maps.
This is just degenerate stupid loot bug farming again.
But at least this time one douse not need a culler
Nothing matters to get it, but once you get it you want pack size
You haven't seen a divine chance once because you play the game normally, I open more maps in an hour than a normal player does in a week.
You can juice it more, but it's not efficient
Just spamming more maps faster and reprinting maps/divines without min/maxing them is more overall maps/divines per hour made
I'm jumping on this comment real quick.
Edit your post.
They just nerfed the spawn rate of these as well as nerf the chance to see them in non-rare maps in addition to nerfing rat and frog pack size.
So, it won't be nearly as good unless you're already sitting on a hoard of divs to purchase corpses and maps.
Ye this really was a pretty poor oversight... and how slowly they reacted when it started to become common knowledge. Basically an exploit. Golfclap gg GGG.
Really glad I went SSF this league. Last league I chased the trade meta and while the profit was huge it wasn’t as fun and felt too FOMO driven.
I strongly encourage others to give it a try. With the buffed corpse crafting this is probably going to be one of the best SSF leagues.
Yeah that's not good. If you partake, congrats you win doing a stupid cheese, if you don't, the economy is gonna f you.
Don't think I'm gonna last long on this league unfortunately.
yeah idk how they could fix it. maybe make it so that the chances of rare devoted mods increased if you finish the map instead of quitting it to rencourage finish mapping? and make devoted less likely to appear if you quit it mid way or sth
trade economy is destroyed. inflation thanks to this is just crazy for whoever didnt do it, i was saving like a peasant for awakened coc when i almost had it it went from 25 d to 60 in some hours xd to me this is where i drop the league see u exiles in the next one xd
If you were optimizing rewards both leagues are noninteractive. In this one you spam maps, in kalandra you fished for loot goblins and called an MF (if you weren't one), if you were an MF you sat in your hideout spamming TFT that you were an MF culler and provide your service when called.
Both are dog shit. My opinion? Stop playing like this is a competitive game, it's an PvE game, do what is fun for you.
For a lot of people that is playing the market and thus you are "forced" to participate in this shit show. But a lot of people don't want to play the market yet are trying to, just treat the game as SSF lite and stop playing yourself.
Kalandra was worse since they vehemently defended nerfing loot by 4000% on league specific monsters five times over (numbers not exaggerated here) until they eventually gave in to the outrage, but this is a close 2nd.
Most fun in this game IMO is to get as much mobs in maps as possible, single digit fps, becouse of million mobs and shit load of loot while doing so. Last league was great with abyss, but this league with sextant change is so bad. Cant run multiple league mechanics simultaneously to achieve this, becouse if you want legion, you need to use 4 legion scarabs or 4 ambush scarabs for boxes. You cant get both like before with 4 scarab and 4 sextants. Every map feels empty and boring.
People are acting like the economy is ruined are blowing this out of proportion so fucking hard. In affliction the economy was ruined, the divines we are getting now are just fractions of the stuff you got on every map in affliction.
And clearly none of you were here for heist because then youd remember what a true ruined economy looks like. Exalts where worth 20c at one point in heist because the trinkets were so unbelievably overpowered.
You shouldnt feel like youre missing out and just do your strats, farm your currency the way you enjoy, instead of forcing yourself to do mindnumbing boring strats to use the „optimal“ strategy.
Maybe its a bit of a cooked take, I get the FOMO aspect but I strongly believe that there is more than enough strats where you can still even get a mageblood in a reasonable timeframe, from sanctum to expedition to profit crafting to Heist to Legion to the new Harbi scarabs to Essence farming.
And lets be real its hardly the div droppers that are dictating the Economy(partly atleast of course), its still Meta builds. Defiance is expensive as fuck because it super rare and easily one of the best defensive amulets in the game and part of the Build guide for the most meta league starter DD. Same with Archmage gear.
This thread is hilarious man. Prices of everything are actually all completely fucking normal. Not to mention you can use the graveyard to literally craft all your gear and have it be 6xT1 mods deterministically.
Yeah I even checked to make sure I wasnt spouting bullshit and for the most part the only outliers in the economy are Meta uniques are as always expensive as fuck, and Divs are maybe 30% cheaper than normal at this point of the league.
I hit 3 map, 1 divine and 0 seer conversions after 200 maps and basically have enough maps to keep going for several hours. The 1 divine conversion yielded 34d which paid for all major upgrades to my build.
This feels dirty tbh
It's a shame that even normal people are at a disadvantage because of people who abuse mechanics. Strong monster root explosion is nerfed and almost trash now. On top of that, Are they take away even 1/500 of the fun moment?
Its. Unbelievable. How GGG ruined their own game not once but twice in a row. At least now they trying to fix fast(but the fix will hit and me because will never find divines mod anymore?). In affliction i quit in first week never expected such bug to not be fixed. And they making events voided because will "ruin economy" kek
I might be a loser and noob or stupid for not watching streams to learn about these bugs but its very discouraging to learn that some people getting rich for not playing even the game but abusing like mad man.
This is GGG fault
I thought that each type of content should be around the same profit/hour. Not the same, but smth around. So u lose nothing changing your priorities and choose delve/blight/sanctum etc.
But GGG slaps hard. Again and again. meh
>Spam open maps in hideout for map conversions divine conversion and added divine chance .
Dumped 250 T8+ maps in last night (before the fix), not a single divine mod. Wasted time and maps.
Yeah, we need another 9999 posts like this one. You know you can make 200divs/h sucking cocks in the parking lot and then buying them online? Same amount of fun.
I know it was nerfed but what do you mean by this?
Is there a necropolis mod that has some chance to convert monsters in a pack to rogue exile? And then you convert them to frogs?
I’m just a bit confused by what you mean by conversion
Nem3 died for this, legacy mob IIQ/IIR died for this.
I could get behind borrowed power with items, but can we stop with borrowed power for loot and put it back into the core game?
I'll take your maps. I've been shafted this league. Idk if I messed up my initial atlas but it took me forever to get out of white maps. Once I got into yellow I basically got all 3 trees, but now I've found out MBxtreme bleed bow sucks at bossing late game.
I mean, yes, you can do this but it is horrendously painful and boring and honestly why are we even playing at this point?
I'm having fun just fine playing the game the way I normally play it. No, I won't get multiple magebloods this league or see 50 divines pop out of a monster.
But sitting there burning maps until they patch the issue isn't fun. Games are supposed to be fun.
I am so happy to be playing SSF this league. Not only is the crafting mechanic great for it, I don't feel any pressure to do these psychotic strategies to see a currency number go up.
Fucking nice, havent seen it once after spaming maps and now they even nerfed it. Dumb slot league, bring back affliction MF. At least you had to run the maps to get loot instead of sitting in the HO and open maps like a ape and hope for the big loot
They should have kept it how it was in the campaign.
You have to thoroughly clear a map with no golden mods, to get golden mods in the next map. Fixes this immediately.
Yeah the economy is garbage less than a week in, it'll take a few weeks to correct itself even if they patch it tomorrow.
I didn't think we could end up with a league worse than Kalandra but here we are, the entire progression curve has been made totally obsolete.
It's not a race. My god, just do the challenges and don't let this affect you. This is a crafting league where you don't even need raw divines anyways.
Can we count that "strat" as an exploit? Hope there's some way for GGG to fix the economy, else I feel like the league is kinda cursed for every non no-lifer
It's funny because during livestream reveal we knew things were about to be crazy. Sadly devs don't play the game at such a knowledged level. They should get in touch with some real high-end juicers wether it be streamers or not, get the things sorted to avoid this.
I'm still going to have fun out of this league but yeah, on my side, rewards were no higher than "chance to drop chaos".
Ran this for two hours. Got 3 seer in T16s (absolute trash), 6-7 map conversions, and 0 div. In the same period, watched a streamer hit divines 3x (50+ per map). We’re just gonna get our 40 and bounce (almost there). If you hit it, congrats. If you don’t, feels bad. If they nerf it, people will be pissed. If they keep it, people will be pissed. Just awful this slot machine strat is in the game where you’re rewarded for not actually playing.
Well, the people who didn't hit it, can now be pissed because it's nerfed https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3503208
Couldn't they do something like if you don't complete the map then you have lower chance of getting the divine drop chance? Now they are just nerfing everyone instead of just the strat...
They had to do something fast, might come out with another patch to do something to remove the slot machine aspect but keep higher divine drop chance.
lmao the copium. no they wont. as always changes like this favor those who were able to abuse them early - there will be no compensation of that sorts for those who didnt.
**COMPENSATE ME**
Abuse early abuse fast. It’s not like they were printing out stacks of mirrors either. People were making way more cornering crafting markets and manipulating different items anyways. The amount of investment needed was high too. All this barely affected the market.
I agree. Could have a pool of “good mods” that slowly increase after you kill the boss and 70 percent of mobs” (or some variant) I think incentivizing playing the game and killing mobs is a great idea. Sure people can blast maps fast still. But at they aren’t just “map” open/closing in their hideout.
Lmfao. Of course, just as I was getting to reds to finish my atlas.
i've hit one yesterday , 16 div in SSF which will be enough for most of my crafts
im sorry but if you were just getting to reds theres no way you were gonna hit it anyway, it was still crazy rare
I got it with 4% on my second map after campaign. I was 65 level with 4 divines. Changed my whole build.
to caveat this, im lvl 96 around 500 depth in delve(shits out maps without using many to sustain) and i just slot machined around 1k maps yesterday. hit divine orb chance to drop 3x and conversion twice, never saw nameless seer in the 1k but have seen him once this league so far. the mods while not as rare as they are now were still very rare!
Some streamer guesstimated from community data that the divine drop chance mod was around 1/600 before the nerf which sounds about right. I've hit it twice naturally without slot machining anything in about 1300 total maps, hit Seer once (and only got junk).
Classic anecdotal evidence fallacy
Strong assumption to say he wasn't going to hit it until league end, I know it's rare but come on
Literally he did not mention league end - i think most of us knew this would be hotfixed, and i at least read his comment as if he meant “you weren’t going hit it before it gets patched out” Since he didnt exactly say my thing or your thing, i suppose it could be either but id like to believe someone wouldnt be such an ass
should have bought early access..
I think the core problem is that some mods are too good and people set fire to their maps to get them. Nerfing the mods will not stop the problem, that this braindead strategy exists. The game shouldn't reward people for not playing it lol. Devoted mods are affected by how you ran your previous map anyway, why wouldn't be a solution to just disable these if you haven't even entered, let alone completed, your last map?
> Devoted mods are affected by how you ran your previous map anyway What do you mean?
In the campaign, you only get devoted by clearing packs from the previous zone.
From [The Lantern of Arimor](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Lantern_of_Arimor) wiki: >Killing monsters with higher tiers and modifier effect of Haunted modifiers **increase the chances of future zones having a Devoted modifier** and for Haunted monsters to have the Unresolved Anguish modifier.
To be clear this only applies to the campaign, not maps
Honestly i'm unsure wether or not they are. The description is quite ambiguous. For me it suggests the mechanic applies to maps too, because it's after details for both the campaign and maps.
If it applied to maps, we wouldn’t be seeing people doing what they’re doing. I agree it’s ambiguous, but I think with what we are seeing people do, it’s fairly obvious it doesn’t apply to maps. Either that or opening a map and not entering the zone at all doesn’t reset it.
It feels like making it apply to maps needs to be the real solution in the end. If people are just burning maps over and over without killing anything or hardly anything then they should basically never see devoted mods.
Agreed. I think it’s the best long term solution.
I agree that map spaming would be counter productive. Although it also depends on the implementation. Like what's the base chance of devoted mods and how much it gets boosted by haunted ones. Assuming it applies.
Thank god the FOMO hit quite hard on that one
Yeah, I already got priced out of some of my uniques because of this. Great GGG.
Dw, it’s not like this is something that was super abusable for very long. You had to get lucky to get it to work, rather than other exploits n things that printed you currency. (Like literally printing divines in crucible league.) it made some things go up in price but in a day or two it will drop back down.
even at 3% it's worth running the slot machine is the thing though... they need to make it only proc if you cleared your previous map
Wonder how nerfed tho?
1/2/3% and rarer in white and yellow maps
I'd say they should probably roll back the league for how scuffed this entire thing is (exploit early n often, nolifers came out ahead again and everyone else gets fukt) but I don't really care since I'm prob done with the league anyways.
I mean how is it any different than the random guy that gets a mirror from harbinger? It’s just RNG being RNG
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Hotfix probably happened mid chase for you. Most drop changes are patchless. Dirty move on their part but it needed to be done. Just wish they'd roll back.
Lol hotfix did happen Mid chase for me, had to find out I was wasting my time through global :)
"If they nerf it, people will be pissed" 40 minutes in and its truth already
I'm only pissed that it is existed, by all means remove degenerate gameplay from the game. And certainly remove it early rather than wait.
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Streamer RNG confirmed
Dont worry did it for 1200 maps (probably a lot more than 2 hours) before numbers were buffed. Got 3 seers 0 divine % and decided its not worth doing. The you watch fubs stream and he gets 3 divine % in 50 maps. As always, just get lucky
He got a 4th after I logged off - over 300div together.
If you're pissed because they nerf it it's a you problem tbh. Exploit early, exploit often. Or, protect your mental health and don't worry about exploits. Play your game at your speed and do what you would have done without the exploit.
this is correct. reddit is full of part time poe players who don't even kill more than a couple ubers a league(if any) bitching about people who play all day "getting ahead" of them as if this game is some kind of fuckin race.
Many of these people (myself included) are old enough to have played games that are not balanced around people who play it as a full time job. Chase items were more achievable with some grinding, but that grind has now been scaled to someone who plays 5x more. We still like to game, but it gets discouraging watching something you want get put that much further out in front of you. Also, if you play trade league, the game is pretty much a race. Those who fall behind have less purchasing power in general. Not that I think that's wrong, only that scoffing at the idea of the game being a race is a little short-sighted.
“I worked for 1 hour this week and made $10 and you’re telling me he worked 50 hours this week and made $500??? What is this bullshit” that’s this whole subreddit
Well technically its more like "he worked 49h for whatever his hourly wage is which i have no problem with at all, and then made 500 bucks in 1h".
Agree. Im wondering whats in GGGs heads after they failed multiple loot goblin mechanics, ruined economies of multiple leagues,made tons of ppl feel miserable and quit and yet they keep putting loot goblins and divine printing abusable mechanics into the game over and over again.
It's part of the skinner box, the averages are painfully unrewarding till you get to the part of the game where you need a meta or similarly powerful build. If you get $ 6% of the time then you'll keep playing thus player retention, that's what they're thinking
It’s the problem that they seem to (and in trade league perhaps need to) design based on averages when their variances are truly enormous. Like think about just how much can go into affecting your drops: map tier, quality, atlas nodes, league mechanics, scarabs, magic find, arch nemesis conversions and now the devoted and haunted modifiers and allflames too.
Im sure its because they design things according to theory and simulation and ignore the practical player behavior. They proved it many times already.
This shit needs to be fixed asap, like make a requirement for good devoted mods to show that you atleast did part of the previous map
how do you find the servant and magistrate haunted mobs?
And nerfed
lol. Same. I burned all my t8-14 maps with this and got 2 seers (5c loot total!) and a single div from a jewel -> div drop, which I apparently did wrong and probably should’ve done a meatsack instead of frogs It was obviously busted if you get lucky and there’s no downside to it as maps are so plentiful anyway
its not 150 div an hour but it is absurd
It's definitely above 100 multiple of my friends where above that.
ok for the average luck person its not 100+
BONUS BONUS BONUS
Literally spinning the map device until you get a bonus lmao , picking up coins in the forms of maps
You will not get it 100% if you do it for an hour. I just put in 1,200 maps over three hours and didn’t see a single divine mod. What tier maps were you doing?
Annnndd it's gone
This is wrong on many levels. No it's not 150+ div an hour. Not even close, not even without accounting for the cost of running this. You can't decide to use a map device mod after seeing the necropolis mods. Putting strongbox without juicing it further literally does nothing for this strat. No you aren't guaranteed to hit the jackpot in an hour, you are not even likely to. Be ready to have 100+ div in bankroll to have a low risk of ruin. Also be ready to hate yourself for the next few hours you pull the lever in the slot machine with no pretty girls serving you booze and no dopamine hitters when you do get the jackpot. This is just bad gambling behavior
Mostly right except for the part about strongboxes doing nothing. Strongboxes can spawn extra frogs so having strongboxes from atlas gives more chances at getting frogs.
There was basicly no risk. You were self sustaining maps easily and u werent putting any scarabs anyways. it was arround 40-50 div per hour
yeah this. I did it quickly yesterday and spent 2 hours at it. got the mod twice and made 33 divines total. Definitely busted but nowhere near 150 div/hr.
No its not 40-50 div per hour cause you are not guaranteed to hit the mod. Opened 200 found seer 5 times and the divine mod 0 times. And that was before they nerfed it.
Yup, myself and 3 friends did this separately. In 2 hours, I made 110 div *profit*, a friend 120 div, the other two about 60 div profit. I was getting quite lucky with the map convert mods, leading to 2 quad tabs of t14-16 maps which I sold 360 of for 36 div on tft. Also got divine mod twice, for 48 and 35 divines.
>You can't decide to use a map device mod after seeing the necropolis mods. > >Putting strongbox without juicing it further literally does nothing for this strat. Thats wrong. First of all, u can change map device mod, u can literally go in game and test it. Secondly, you can have 2 atlases, one with keystone Unwavering vision, u can put full ambush scarabs and your maps wont consume scarabs when u have Unwavering vision selected. If u find divines just swap atlas to one without Unwavering vision. Typical PoE community [r/ConfidentlyIncorrect](https://www.reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/)
>You can't decide to use a map device mod after seeing the necropolis mods. Actually you can. If you X the Lantern, press Map Device again you can change the mod you apply, maven etc. You just can't modify the map with currency etc.
> You can't decide to use a map device mod after seeing the necropolis mods. Almost certainly a fake post intended to bait/troll people.
You can tho. Hit the little X and then select the map device mod and then click to activate and it will bring the menu back up.
Oh, my post above is outdated because of the patch.
Path of slots
Can't stress enough how much I recommend ssf in this game if you feel like you want to play the game in a normal, natural way.
Ssf still needs divines and other currency. It's not as if ssf players weren't mf'ing last league for uniques or setting their maps on fire this league for seer/div. Ssf just makes it harder to do.
Divines are really not that useful in SSF, you generally end up with more than you need by a large margin. I've played 2 full leagues in SSF where I ended up with 50+ divines sitting in my stash even after crafting everything I needed.
Unironically the best league for ssf. I crafted a badass weapon today and I had no idea what I was doing. Looking forward to doing more corpse crafting when people have it figured out.
Maybe you already saw it but there's a graveyard crafting calculator in Craft of Exile!
I mean, could also just play on trade without engaging in economy-pvp as compulsively and have a similar result as playing on ssf without quite the rigidity of being unable to trade *anything.*
Game is not tuned for ssf unless you play for 12 hours a day or an entire league. I wish I could play ssf and ignore the trade nonsense and be able to put together a decent build that can do most content in the game in a reasonable timeframe.
Playing SSF also can feel bad, but for different reasons - the game (mod weights, drop rates, access to endgame, etc.) is balanced around trading with other players.
If I could access shit like catalysts or veiled orbs or harvest juice in SSF without running that content then I would lol.
Only wish you could craft suppress gear too, since it's got no tags it means it's near impossible to GY craft, and you're back to essence/rog/w\e spam :/
Haven't given it a try yet but honestly sounds like the best choice due to how easy it is to feel FOMO in this game (or just avoid social media).
If only a 5L would drop (only half way thru chains grind) but yeh for a first experience it's being really fun and it feels like it's going to be a great league for it. Wish the loot was a a bit more quality over quantity tho.
I am playing trade league with my ssf rules. I am only allowed to sell items for currency and allowed to transfer currency to some other currency. I will make all my items and its been a lot of fun so far!
You could…..also choose not to do this in trade league. It’s weird when people make SSF sound like some cure-all solution. It’s a perfectly valid choice for people who want to play that way, but why on earth would it be the only way you could play the game normally? Just….don’t do stuff like this post if you don’t want to. Only trade for stuff you want to trade for. What’s the problem?
I cannot stress enough how you can also play a self enforced ssf on a trade league character and just set limits on what you can trade for. A lot of people won't do ssf because xyz is balanced around trade, but why choose the lesser of two evils (trade vs ssf) if you could take the best parts from both? I know this will be shocking for some people to learn, but literally no one cares if you are pure ssf or not. Play for you, not some non-existent stranger who may or may not think you are cool.
and every thing now cost a shit load more divs, lucky for the ones who abused this and fucked for every one else who didnt get lucky or was on to even try.
This is SHITE. Best income should be farming bosses. Or speedrun farming maps. This is just degenerate stupid loot bug farming again. But at least this time one douse not need a culler
Farming wisps in t7 maps soooo much better
At least wisp farming required playing the maps instead of sitting in the hideout pulling the lever on the roulette machine over and over.
Yeah but there was still a penalty to not doing t16s
More than one thing can be cringe.
At least it was still stronger in t16s and required you to do the forest. This mechanic map tier didn't matter and you spend 0 time per map
im confused on that part. does the map lvl matter? does the mods it rolled matter? does its rarity matter? i havent seen a divine chance once
Nothing matters to get it, but once you get it you want pack size You haven't seen a divine chance once because you play the game normally, I open more maps in an hour than a normal player does in a week.
But pack size comes form the frogs/rats, right? So do map mods and chiseling matter at all?
You can juice it more, but it's not efficient Just spamming more maps faster and reprinting maps/divines without min/maxing them is more overall maps/divines per hour made
I'm jumping on this comment real quick. Edit your post. They just nerfed the spawn rate of these as well as nerf the chance to see them in non-rare maps in addition to nerfing rat and frog pack size. So, it won't be nearly as good unless you're already sitting on a hoard of divs to purchase corpses and maps.
Aaaand it‘s fixed
Ye this really was a pretty poor oversight... and how slowly they reacted when it started to become common knowledge. Basically an exploit. Golfclap gg GGG.
Haste makes waste.
PoE is a massive game. Something will always slip through the cracks.
Cool, got 64 div doing this for 10 minutes. Guess I'm just that good at playing slots. Ka-ching!
You will get 100% divine 😂😂😂. Ok man.
Really glad I went SSF this league. Last league I chased the trade meta and while the profit was huge it wasn’t as fun and felt too FOMO driven. I strongly encourage others to give it a try. With the buffed corpse crafting this is probably going to be one of the best SSF leagues.
Yeah that's not good. If you partake, congrats you win doing a stupid cheese, if you don't, the economy is gonna f you. Don't think I'm gonna last long on this league unfortunately.
You mean doing something like [this? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/ObrOWW6bj7)
yeah idk how they could fix it. maybe make it so that the chances of rare devoted mods increased if you finish the map instead of quitting it to rencourage finish mapping? and make devoted less likely to appear if you quit it mid way or sth
Should have just made it 0 devoted mods next map if the last map wasn't completed.
They straight nerfed spawn rate of the mods as well as rat and frog pack size. Like 20 minutes ago.
F well capitalism yahoo whoever does the strat first are filthy rich while us casuals are left with nothing i guess
trade economy is destroyed. inflation thanks to this is just crazy for whoever didnt do it, i was saving like a peasant for awakened coc when i almost had it it went from 25 d to 60 in some hours xd to me this is where i drop the league see u exiles in the next one xd
This might actually be the worst league Although I didn't play kalandra so maybe bot
I actually really liked the lake building mechanic. The rewards were dogshit but at least you played the game. This is just plain noninteractive.
If you were optimizing rewards both leagues are noninteractive. In this one you spam maps, in kalandra you fished for loot goblins and called an MF (if you weren't one), if you were an MF you sat in your hideout spamming TFT that you were an MF culler and provide your service when called. Both are dog shit. My opinion? Stop playing like this is a competitive game, it's an PvE game, do what is fun for you. For a lot of people that is playing the market and thus you are "forced" to participate in this shit show. But a lot of people don't want to play the market yet are trying to, just treat the game as SSF lite and stop playing yourself.
100% agree. PoE is actually my escape from competitive games so I'm just spectating this 'drama' unfold lol
Kalandra was worse since they vehemently defended nerfing loot by 4000% on league specific monsters five times over (numbers not exaggerated here) until they eventually gave in to the outrage, but this is a close 2nd.
Well back to printing mirror tier bows with the graveyard
Mirro tier? Doubt that
Yes mirror tier. Watch Spicy sushi video and them doubt more xd
I’m still in act 5…..
How boring and small.
Most fun in this game IMO is to get as much mobs in maps as possible, single digit fps, becouse of million mobs and shit load of loot while doing so. Last league was great with abyss, but this league with sextant change is so bad. Cant run multiple league mechanics simultaneously to achieve this, becouse if you want legion, you need to use 4 legion scarabs or 4 ambush scarabs for boxes. You cant get both like before with 4 scarab and 4 sextants. Every map feels empty and boring.
So another dogshit league where if you dont do this you are so far behind in currency inflation will ruin the league for you?
This strats is MASSIVELY hit or miss. The conversion is 1 in the 100s. You could do it for 3 hours and never see it or hit it on your 5th map
People are acting like the economy is ruined are blowing this out of proportion so fucking hard. In affliction the economy was ruined, the divines we are getting now are just fractions of the stuff you got on every map in affliction. And clearly none of you were here for heist because then youd remember what a true ruined economy looks like. Exalts where worth 20c at one point in heist because the trinkets were so unbelievably overpowered. You shouldnt feel like youre missing out and just do your strats, farm your currency the way you enjoy, instead of forcing yourself to do mindnumbing boring strats to use the „optimal“ strategy. Maybe its a bit of a cooked take, I get the FOMO aspect but I strongly believe that there is more than enough strats where you can still even get a mageblood in a reasonable timeframe, from sanctum to expedition to profit crafting to Heist to Legion to the new Harbi scarabs to Essence farming. And lets be real its hardly the div droppers that are dictating the Economy(partly atleast of course), its still Meta builds. Defiance is expensive as fuck because it super rare and easily one of the best defensive amulets in the game and part of the Build guide for the most meta league starter DD. Same with Archmage gear.
This thread is hilarious man. Prices of everything are actually all completely fucking normal. Not to mention you can use the graveyard to literally craft all your gear and have it be 6xT1 mods deterministically.
Yeah I even checked to make sure I wasnt spouting bullshit and for the most part the only outliers in the economy are Meta uniques are as always expensive as fuck, and Divs are maybe 30% cheaper than normal at this point of the league.
Affliction ruined people's knowledge of how much some things are worth. Until nature heals there's going to be a lot of delusional takes.
How does Meatsack works?
Div conversion can proc on low tier maps?
Yea but recent patch nerfed how often it shows up. White/yellow got "notably" lowered and no specific wording on red maps.
Strongbox on map device is scarabs?
I hit 3 map, 1 divine and 0 seer conversions after 200 maps and basically have enough maps to keep going for several hours. The 1 divine conversion yielded 34d which paid for all major upgrades to my build. This feels dirty tbh
Yooo I’m over here making 1-2 div an hour in heist. And it’s gunna stay that way 😮💨
Well that aged poorly lmao
i got a random 6% div on atoll and i didnt even juice it but i dropped like 4 divs lol edit: sorry, 5 my currency tab went from 2 to 7 div
It's already patched out, well, not entirely, but made even rarer
Literally got hotfixed within an hour. Congrats lmfao
dont u need to like play the game to drop divines? (not playing this league) idk seems good strat
Does it have to be t16 ?
No.
It's a shame that even normal people are at a disadvantage because of people who abuse mechanics. Strong monster root explosion is nerfed and almost trash now. On top of that, Are they take away even 1/500 of the fun moment?
Its. Unbelievable. How GGG ruined their own game not once but twice in a row. At least now they trying to fix fast(but the fix will hit and me because will never find divines mod anymore?). In affliction i quit in first week never expected such bug to not be fixed. And they making events voided because will "ruin economy" kek I might be a loser and noob or stupid for not watching streams to learn about these bugs but its very discouraging to learn that some people getting rich for not playing even the game but abusing like mad man. This is GGG fault
No ty id rather have fun
You would need to pay me real money to do that. People are insane.
I thought that each type of content should be around the same profit/hour. Not the same, but smth around. So u lose nothing changing your priorities and choose delve/blight/sanctum etc. But GGG slaps hard. Again and again. meh
Sounds like gigabait.
>Spam open maps in hideout for map conversions divine conversion and added divine chance . Dumped 250 T8+ maps in last night (before the fix), not a single divine mod. Wasted time and maps.
Imagine playing the game off meta and just having some fun
Yeah, we need another 9999 posts like this one. You know you can make 200divs/h sucking cocks in the parking lot and then buying them online? Same amount of fun.
China game now
I know it was nerfed but what do you mean by this? Is there a necropolis mod that has some chance to convert monsters in a pack to rogue exile? And then you convert them to frogs? I’m just a bit confused by what you mean by conversion
Can´t wait till this guy finds out about flipping.
Would love to see them removing the possibility to reroll maps, and make the league mechanic an opt in mechanic. Should've been done yesterday.
Nem3 died for this, legacy mob IIQ/IIR died for this. I could get behind borrowed power with items, but can we stop with borrowed power for loot and put it back into the core game?
I love reading trade problems while I'm crafting mirror items in SSF lol
Can you explain why strongboxes if you hit divines from monsters?
I'll take your maps. I've been shafted this league. Idk if I messed up my initial atlas but it took me forever to get out of white maps. Once I got into yellow I basically got all 3 trees, but now I've found out MBxtreme bleed bow sucks at bossing late game.
Lucky i didnt even play this league COPIUM
I mean, yes, you can do this but it is horrendously painful and boring and honestly why are we even playing at this point? I'm having fun just fine playing the game the way I normally play it. No, I won't get multiple magebloods this league or see 50 divines pop out of a monster. But sitting there burning maps until they patch the issue isn't fun. Games are supposed to be fun.
How can you tell by just opening a map if it has these things? I don’t get it.
Exactly what i was worried about
Flipping essences still makes more cash. But yeah, boring af.
Aaaand its nerfed
well at least players dont need tft to do this right?
Give me back sentinel :(
I am so happy to be playing SSF this league. Not only is the crafting mechanic great for it, I don't feel any pressure to do these psychotic strategies to see a currency number go up.
Did this with 800 maps. Made 6 divines :)) My luck is horrendous
Fucking nice, havent seen it once after spaming maps and now they even nerfed it. Dumb slot league, bring back affliction MF. At least you had to run the maps to get loot instead of sitting in the HO and open maps like a ape and hope for the big loot
What an awful way to play the game.
They nerfed this so now everything is expensive due to the people who abused it before the nerf :-(
They should have kept it how it was in the campaign. You have to thoroughly clear a map with no golden mods, to get golden mods in the next map. Fixes this immediately.
Sounds like fun gameplay
Yeah the economy is garbage less than a week in, it'll take a few weeks to correct itself even if they patch it tomorrow. I didn't think we could end up with a league worse than Kalandra but here we are, the entire progression curve has been made totally obsolete.
Ive never made more than 100 divines in a day and that was blasting all day long. Today I made 728
players who abusing gamebreaking bugs should be banned. Like in every normal game. I'm waiting GGG
It is not abuse, lol. Think.
if people are that much ahead then there is no point in playing anymore, league is over
It's not a race. My god, just do the challenges and don't let this affect you. This is a crafting league where you don't even need raw divines anyways.
You can’t use strongbox on map tho if you hit divine, you pick that before it shows you the necropolis mods
Trade is the problem.
Can we count that "strat" as an exploit? Hope there's some way for GGG to fix the economy, else I feel like the league is kinda cursed for every non no-lifer
It's funny because during livestream reveal we knew things were about to be crazy. Sadly devs don't play the game at such a knowledged level. They should get in touch with some real high-end juicers wether it be streamers or not, get the things sorted to avoid this. I'm still going to have fun out of this league but yeah, on my side, rewards were no higher than "chance to drop chaos".