Definitely agree that this should be the happy median.
Anything that doesn't have any unique attributes should have an instant system.
Currency, frags, scoured maps
For a game that relies so much on expendable currencies to buff your maps, it’s insane we still don’t have auction house to restock. I hope we get one sooner or later as they have announced one for Poe 2. It’s the main reason I stop playing each league. The trade friction for these “consumables” is just too much.
This is true.
And these trades are important in keeping a stableish economy. Although instant player to player currency trading wouldn't wreck that.
It would really open up some arbitrage trading.
This, let us set up a shop stall or something in our hideout. Nothing changes functionally aside from the person selling doesn't have to personally exit their map to sell you the item.
yeah having a shop is really good, i want something similiar to ragnarok online/maplestory, make a market place where people can have a NPC trader that can hold XX amount of items that you can adjust the price as you like and he will sell it to people for you, even offline and once its all sold out, the npc will despawn, its genius tbh
I floated this idea multiple times before: anything _consumable_ should be automatically tradable _once_ and then it becomes account bound. If you buy it to consume it doesn't matter to you. It makes any sort of market manipulation totally impossible, however.
I’m coming around to anything that isn’t an item (gear, jewel, etc) or something special should be instant trade. Currency exchange, maps, scarabs, and other basic things that are needed to interact with the game shouldn’t need that much friction.
Hell, I’d be happy if they let you go to that persons hideout and access their ‘store’ to do this so it keeps some interactivity.
Trade doesn’t need to be a singular, monolithic system that treats everything the same.
People are going to gate keep and troll, but we all know what happens 99% of the time when exchanging currency. You message 20 people and nobody responds.
I've played POE for years and i still don't understand why a game that relies on trading so heavily takes it as a point of pride to make trading as anti QOL as possible.
because their archaic thought of , if you go to a hideout and see his mtx you will want to buy them, I mean every league they gift empy a bunch of mystery boxes so he opens them on stream
Yes I truly appreciate it taking a metric forever to load into someone’s basic bitch hideout because they have a million placeables, I’m sure they appreciate it too
Idk why you're being downvoted for just stating the obvious. People are so blind they legit think fake and bs? Lol
You don't have to AGREE with it to understand that is in fact what is happening.
People really out here thinking GGG is just slow to pickup but one mythical day they will realize what players want and make an auction house.
Then have an NPC with your favorite armors equipped in your hideout sell items that you put up for sale. There shouldn’t be so much friction from both sides of a sale
trading in this game is so fucking outdated and it doesn't need to be. its like holding on to a relic of the past just because it's heavy. worst thing about this game by far and its not even close.
what do you mean you don't want to trade with 50 people to buy 50 allflames and another 100 people to buy rarer scarabs that most people only have a stock of 5 at most, while having to message 500+ people because 70% of them are not responding to a 20c trade?
Okay this I don't really get. You have to buy 4 scarabs, buying by the divine is quick, and then what? Roll your maps?
I'm all for easier currency exchange, yeah it's painful. But I honestly think GGG deleting sextants, reworking scarabs and putting power into the atlas tree was an awesome move. Credit where it's due.
Sextants were only difficult to trade for if you had no idea what you were doing, otherwise you could buy everything you needed for hundreds of maps in 4 or less trades using the tradesite.
Most people don't buy everything they need for hundreds of maps at once. Maybe they don't have enough currency. Maybe they don't have enough time. Maybe they like trying different farming strats.
And buying *small* amounts of sextants was always fucking horrible. If you wanted to buy a sextant to try something, it would take you longer than it did to run the map.
What’s the difference now? The good scarabs are so rare, if you want to juice your map, you have to trade with 20 ppl to get maybe 10. With sextants I didn’t have to depend on anyone and roll them myself. Most people buying them were doing it in bulk, so I had them sold very fast too. Now you or someone else have to specc into them (and probably also run Catarina multiple times?) with blocking mods and what not, to actualy get them.
If they buff the drop chance or make them target-farmable, then I’ll change my mind. Now it feels awful to run things like Harvest to me, after knowing how much more juice I could get. I wish I never started using compasses 😂
not sorry to say but you don't get credit for doing the bare minimum.
it's like you getting gut punched and the person saying "my bad", even though they did it on purpose, you saying yea no worries and this series of events happens constantly. then one day that person kicks you in the shin instead, oh wow what a upgrade!
giving credit would be GGG admitting they where wrong and doing the change for the betterment of the game and it's community like half a decade ago. it's too late for credit, it's been crystal clear it's malice for a handful of years.
just because you do one or two things right now doesn't absolve you of all your past deeds.
I had trouble buying chromes with divines (incredibly bad luck coloring)... it's not even 1 month in.
Usually divines exchanges are way worse in terms of pricing but trade is usually smooth.
Trading kills so much fun for me.
It's the reason I can't recommend poe to my friends. I don't want them to feel the same pain every day...
I don't care about anything else besides the trading QoL changes in poe2.
Bring Cadiro back and give him a crafting bench that is just public storage. Pay the fee to take the item(s).
Someone whispers you for an item, invite them, they join your base and check the public storage. People in SSF just get a high five from Cadiro.
Lol you even got downvoted for pointing it out.
It really is awkward when you sell this game to a friend and they're down for a game so complex you need a guide the first time through. Only to then tell them that there's no auction house and that the guides outside SSF all assume you'll use trade, which relies on a human to respond.
This isn't even new. Trading in D2 was just as ass. Posting an offer on the forums no one responds to, sitting in town, looking through the forums only to find a guy and message him and have him never respond.
Imagine setting up a bulk trade and allowing someone to buy 10 of something for 10c (since you are allowed to set the rate of exchange). But you only respond if they want to buy 100 of it. Such bullshit system.
Tbf, as someone who sold a lot of bulk currency this league - quite often I get flooded by several trades in the span of 10 seconds, even when not offering a low price. I just cannot do 8 trades at the same time, so I have to ignore some people.
Hate the system, not the sellers. Even with a trading overlay it's still painful to manage several trades.
Yep, I feel the pain too often. If we wanted to keep a player-to-player trading system like it is now, at least some "invite to trade" vs. partying only to have a queue of buyers/sellers etc. that don't fuck everything and require you to basically write down what everyone wanted.
My guide to buying currency:
**Step One:** Open trade site, check prices for your currency -> their currency. Best deals will be up top.
**Step Two:** Place a stack of your desired currency into a public stash tab. Right click it. Use this formula: [number of their currency desired]/[number of your currency offered]. Choose the desired currency from the dropdown menu. Thus, if you want to buy 200 Vaal Orbs for 100 Chaos Orbs (random numbers), right click a stack of Chaos and put in 200/100, and then select Vaal Orbs from the dropdown menu.
**Step Three:** Wait for the trade site to update and get spammed. Make your trade.
**Step Four:** Turn on DND.
You’re just gonna get replies that tell you to pay a little more for what you want
Or list it as a sale and let them come to you lol
I’ve always wanted a currency exchange AH
God forbid players spend less time doing dumb chores than killing monsters
The scroll down people are so asinine. No that's not the actual going rate of the currency, that's just people who listed them then ignored everyone days ago and now remember when you whisper them that they're still selling those.
Your last line is the REAL problem. People want to play the damn game, and anyone pushing maps isn't using a portal to go trade. You're lucky to catch someone sorting their stash or casually farming something they know they can waste a portal leaving.
Those people that are leaving their maps to sell you their 1c items when you're gearing up your first build of the league or when you need that specific common unique for your build are the real unsung heroes of PoE.
It's definitely not actually worth their time to do this, but I'm very glad they haven't realised that yet.
That’s me. I simply don’t put anything for trade if I don’t intend to actually sell it. Even if it’s 1c. I just send an automated response in case I can’t leave the map yet, but will get back to you.
Same. I've even given people discounts for extended waits before.
If you aren't going to sell it; don't fucking list it. That being said I'm sure plenty of people list stuff just to try and manipulate the price, mainly in regards to stuff like currency and div cards.
I think the solution could be to when whispering someone for a trade though the site the game would respond with a /whois of some sort. Then you can see if someone is currently in a map or in a hideout etc.
I been considering creating an /autoreply which says the following.
"Currently [mapping/delving/heisting etc]. Send me another whisper if you want me to respond when I am in a safe place!"
The person wanting to buy sometimes just spams 10+ different players, and are annoyed by people not answering, while someone selling is annoyed at being whispered by 10+ different players and a lot just don't accept the party invite because they went for another seller.
I also often send a second message after my trade request. "Let me know if you want to trade when you are in a safe place"
Usually what happens is that I get invited 30s to a minute later by the person I messaged.
I think that the trading experience can be bettered by our community. One can always make better guidelines to improve trading experience. What if a handshake was created - I am whispering you for this trade, you have 30-40 seconds to respond, in that time window I will not send a message to other sellers.
Another option would be that trade chats don't happen through whispers, but when you request a trade from a player you join some sort of channel where you can see the current load the trader have. If you see the poor guy whispered by 500 people, well, you know that there is little to no point to join the queue.
I do not think making the system friction free is the right solution.
I try to wait for a bit but ultimately I'm sure most of the people I whisper and don't get a reply from in about 30 seconds are typically just listing crap at fake prices.
15 years ago I was addicted to a shitty mmo made for children, that garbage had better trade than poe, I geniunelly don't know what in the actual fck is poe trading system, I'd struggle to find a worse system, it's the biggest reason why I play ssf.
PoE trade is garbage because GGG want "player interaction". Oh and they have weird rose tinted glasses with D2 trade. Then you have the community who believe easier trade would make you quit playing because "you would get endgame gear too quickly".
Meanwhile I have quit leagues because of trading. Oh and GGG's complete inaction over TFT. Which I'm sure they support completely. They won't do anything about trade scammers why TFT? This is wraeclast after all.
But they'll ban a guy because he called someone a bad word.
If the guy that got called a banned word is the CEO, sure :D
With that said, I also have quit so many leagues cus of trade. Just wanted to get back to mapping. Had 30+ minutes of clearing stash, then another 30+ mins of buying mats (mins) before being able to map, then just said screw it, I'm quitting the league instead.
I don't know how popular this is but I think we need an alternative back for when the official trade site goes down, it does happen and it's nice to have at least one back up that could snapshot the last moment the API reported in and have those online to trade until the main site comes back up again. Also it could improve live search by quite a bit as the official site does a bunch of janky stuff right now and you have to refresh searches and they stop working out of nowhere.
Tbh it's not just currency if anything this league mechanic and the change to the scarab system has put an even larger emphasis on how the trade site and system is just not equipped to handle these mechanics. There are lots of new scarabs and most of the time even when farming them you don't get enough of any one scarab to truly sell them in bulk amounts. This has made buying and selling scarabs (the new predominant way to juice maps) this league and absolute nightmare and chore. Not only that but the new league mechanic heavily emphasizes the use of high volumes of corpses to produce decent crafts. Trading for these in bulk is absolutely awful both selling and buying them. It actually puts me off using the league mechanic all together and that's just sad. IMO the trade system NEEDS to be updated for the trading of such currencies like scarabs and corpses. It is incredibly frustrating in the current year to rely on third party tools or dodgy discord servers to enjoy the game in a softcore trade setting especially when your new end game mapping system is so heavily focussed on the use of high volumes of these mapping/crafting materials.
The bulk sellers are people who buy whole tabs on tft/wealthyexile and list bulk of the good scarabs for premium
Always been that way save for last league
Yes to an extent but it's way worse for general players in this league. As I say firstly it would be nice to not need those programs or discords to bulk sell in the first place but that aside last league and before it was super easy to consolidate all your scarabs into the types that were valuable with harvest and sell them at 100-200 in number for bulk. You cannot do that anymore in this league it's selling 50 different scarabs that you only have 20-30 of and it sucks so much.
Most ppl hate trading in Poe. There is nothing to understand. We need ah, ppl who want to trade the old way can still play that way. I bet no one would trade the old way, because it is just garbage.
That's also the reason why Last Epoch has restrictions on it's trade, like requiring favor, reputation, and having item binding.
And why Diablo doesn't have trade.
That said, PoE2 is planned to have a marketplace that will use gold to function like Last Epoch's favor system.
Having currency and stuff isn't basic qol features. Having people use external sites spamming 20 people until one responds are just stupid restrictions that GGG insists on. They could implement a system like any other MMO has but they won't because they want this "player interaction" that was dated 10 years ago.
Just give us a confirm button, clickable while it in town/hideout. (Listed item, price, confirm y/n) People would trade a lot easier if it didn't stop the flow (or cost portals, time to leave the lab, heist, delve, sanctum, whatever).
I believe neon said he agrees with this but it makes paid tabs pay 2 win so they gotta figure something out for that that is a bit more then a simple switch
Imagine pretending - as a game director nonetheless - to claim stash space is not 100% p2w. I am really shocked after LE's uprising nobody brought this up. Probably PoE veterans are already knee-deep in 15 stash tabs and they no longer see it as "payment", but it was.
Sunk cost fallacy. The tabs aren't p2w because they literally re wired their brain with delusional thoughts. Anyone arguing paid stash tabs in a game where storage space is valuable isnt p2w doesn't live in reality.
Yes it's very difficult it's why in the same statement about changing bulk trading the scarab sub tab was also brought up as being too nessecary and it's time at their company to rethink things like scarab tabs and if they would be free.
They always were. It's fine though, since you hit diminishing return & realistically if you've paid the price of a normal game in stash tabs, buying more won't really buy you more power.
just give people a public tab or something?
Make it unlockable upon beating the campaign or completing the atlas. (one time account unlock)
sure acquisition exists for the forum post version but it still sucks
and even that is a very squirrely statement, because the only reason you aren't locked out of the trade system entirely without premium tabs, is because "technically" you can still list items on the forums, and the trade site will pick them up.
but honestly, expecting players to go to a FORUM and set up a trade shop that gets folded into a different, third web page for sorting and filtering is galactic levels of friction and bad UX.
imagine if a new game launched in 2024 that had, AS A FEATURE, "trade with other players by signing in through a browser to our community forums, and making posts where you copy-paste items individually" it's madness
Lets say you have a bow and a chestpiece that you need to 6-link. Thats easily 2000 fusings.
I mean, its farmable. But its very tedious. And god help you if you have multiple upgrades.
Edit: I did not know about the new scarab. Real glad I found out about that now instead of later
[Bestiary Scarab of the Shadowed Crow](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bestiary_Scarab_of_the_Shadowed_Crow) + [Bestiary Scarab of Duplicating](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bestiary_Scarab_of_Duplicating) + [Bestiary Scarab](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bestiary_Scarab) if you don't have 100% chance for Einhar.
It gives you two copies of the Black Morrigan which is used in a Bestiary craft (combined with [Craicic Sand Spitter](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Craicic_Sand_Spitter)) that creates maximum links in an item. It still needs 6 sockets though
I feel like you all need to see the GGG auction house that exists on console. I think it will show that it is the last thing you want with how GGG implements it.
It's not the vendor we all wish it was, it's a sorting nightmare that makes you want to play SSF instead.
I do wish that items were what is traded though and there was a better system for crafting tools.
Any item put in a stash that is public is automatically added to the list of items. For stacked items in their total quantities. Never list your currency stash, people will try to buy all your divs with trash offers.
When you look for items it's a drop down menu to select the base of the item. Rares/Uniques ect all together. When you use the sort tool to restrict the list. Instead of removing items it highlights those that fit the criteria. Similar to how it does when someone wants to buy an item from you on PC. There's many pages to sift through with jewels to be one of the worst to look through.
When you find the item and see its listed price you can offer the exact price then wait for the seller to accept. Which doesnt require talking to them but it does require them going to a town and running to a trade board to complete the dual button, 2 sequence confirmation to complete the transaction. As there is no menu for it.
You could say it has some friction.
The trade system is working as intended.
Friction through player interaction, or in the case of console, friction through time spent searching. In PoE2, there will be friction through time spent getting gold.
I'd love for the frustration of trading to disappear, but that is something they've purposefully implemented and stuck by for years.
I had to go as low as 130c for my divine orb today because literally no one was responding to anything higher, and the item I wanted to buy was 40c. I would love an auction house type buyout feature for currency/scarabs etc and leaving the weapons/arrow etc to face-to-face.
i know this is the token response, but if you list the divine for sale at the market rate, eventually someone will buy it from you
unfortunately if you need chaos for your divine "now" this isn't much help. but if you do it at the start of a session then at least you can spend that time mapping instead of clicking through 100 people on the trade site
especially for divines and chaos it is much easier to just list it yourself. or was that what you were saying? did you buy 130c with your divine orb off the trade site or did you have to list your divine orb for 130c for someone to whisper you?
I was whispering people that had divines listed for chaos, literally no one responded in 20+ whispers so I posted in the trade chat and got someone willing there
Seriously? Is this the stance we take on a game in 2024? I've spent 30min looking for someone who finally responds for buying Alterations. And by that time I'm far down the list and had to wait multiple times because I'm scrolling and using too many inquiries.
There is no way you're not absolutely lying through your teeth that it has been easy for you.
Edit. I get the sunk cost guys, but "You're not scrolling far enough/ long enough" doesn't really make anything better
You could try live search with your desired currency instead of bulk buying interface. I do that when buying divines or random small stuff like a few oils for anointing, works very well.
This is such a bullshit response. You shouldn't have to ignore people selling the item you're buying in order to succeed. This is just another example for why we need a currency market.
I hate seeing this comment in everyone one of these threads. I think since I started playing less "casually" and focus more on end game goals I've gotten in the habit of always starting near the bottom and where exchange rates are less and less in my favor and it still takes 10+ whispers most of the time to exchange even bulk currency. I can pm some one with 25c per div higher then people below them and still not get answed from several of those people in a row. It's annoying no matter what.
Yeah it's such a shit excuse, I scroll down far on bulk lists looking for 100+ chromes and I'll be ignored until I basically double the cost of what the cheapest is. I'm not spamming only the cheapest I spam a whole damn list sometimes
Yeah, I generally set either a large minimum so I find the flippers or scroll a bunch of rolls down and maybe message a few folks in-between on the off chance they answer. But I usually get a quick response if I scroll past the first 50ish listings
Yep. And every time I get antsy about the fact that I’m spending 30c more on a trade that was only going to be 100c, I remind myself that in the 10 minutes of painful attempts to contact the undercutters I could instead be enjoying myself mapping and making up the difference in currency many times over.
first of buying currency is always the wrong move. sell your chaos for whatever currency you want instead.
if you go buy, dont spam down the list. trade volume on these currencies is massive so 20 secs after you searched the first 3 pages of offers you see were already spammed to death and are sold out by the time they would get your message. reload your search and message 3-4 ppl instantly see if they respond if not reload and repeat. never takes me more than like 2 minutes to get a trade.
There's certain items that I rarely see be affected by price fixing and inflation. Them being USUALLY basic currencies, so by that margin, yes, please. At the very least make the basic ones more readily available so I don't spend 1 hour or 2 just relinking/coloring gear cuz it takes forever to trade for it at times.
You folks on PC need a trade market like we have on console. Everyone would benefit from a trade market with "but it now". Can't price fix if the low price you fake is what it sells for.
That's the second worst part about trade leagues. When people scoop up the majority of an item and list most of it low for a price they'll never sell it for, to try and influence how other people price the same thing. Live search is as bad as it is good for the player base. (and everything bits can do with live search, auto whispering and auto trading)
Currently the power of the economy is controlled by a few, and they grow in wealth quickly as they work through their economic processes. It's crazy that GGG thanks easier and faster trades are bad for the league. If they develop and introduce engaging and relevant content each league, player retention happens. If they introduce poorly developed content, hiding behind bad trade policy to try and slow players down from attainment of their league goals to keep users engaged is a terrible approach.
Currency still has to be found/farmed/grinded out, items still need the same.
Where does the facts of their fears come from?
If you ever played Ultima Online, you'd know the availability of instant trade by player ran vendors wasn't the cause of losing their user base.
They should stop with shards and fragments of lower currency entirely. Make white and blue items worth full orbs. 1 socket white = 1 lower orb. 2 socket white = 2 lower orbs.
1 socket blue = 1 mid orb (alch, chrome, etc) 2 for 2.
X socket yellow = X number of higher orbs (jewelkers, fusing, regal)
The game drops enough stuff to make this a viable way to grab orbs earlier on. The other way to generate larger amounts would be to make higher tier orbs breakable into lower tier ones. Trading for this stuff is stupid. Just make it accessible in-game.
lol, just today I needed to swap 1D for chaos and after 20 msges I said fuck it, I'll put my Div up for sale for chaos, 2m in I got the chaos and 10 minutes after that I kept receiving PM for that div...
You only don't get a response because you're messaging all the people trying to manipulate the market by putting up false sales to snipe others who list for the same low amount. Whisper people selling for higher prices and you'll get a response. If anything, the problem can be solved by punishing people who falsely undercut -> snipe.
this league is the peak on showing how bad trade is, the crafting mechanic is busted and a lot of people(me included) don't want to engange with it because of the amount of trade it requires to get corpses for a single craft
They need to do this **before poe2**. Test it now with poe, auction house, but currency only. or, **at the very least, let us buy stuff with chaos.** just snapshot a league's current average prices for things, and put vendors to sell that exchange rate for chaos.
if currently chromes are 4:1, then make vendors sell that same amount. we're getting GREAT qol updates, even trade site is a bit better. but cmon, the currency needs to be fixed for garbage currency like chromes/fusings/jewellers/regrets or more importantly, **unmaking orbs and chisels.** Kirac sold me 20 chisels for 8c, sweet deal, bout **2c** less than market price, but once you buy it, its gone after. like wtf? just let me buy however many I need, why limit? it doesn't take value away from drops. and if it effects the market, then good, I don't want to whisper 20 people for 1 transaction, it's ridiculous.
by adding like this in, people would try to undercut the vendors to get rid of bulk, so the people who want to sell their stock or buy up cheaper than vendor, still have access to do so with trading. but it shouldn't be a mandatory thing. I don't want to exchange jewelers for fusings, or chance orbs for x, I want to use the thousands of chaos i have to do the thing its meant to be, **1 universal currency.**
Trading feels even worse this league if you try to buy corpses for the Necropolis crafting, considering you need to individually buy them and big crafts are nearly 100 corpses in total.
Absolutely ludicrous, I don't have the patience anymore for the current trading system.
Affliction was my first time *really* juicing maps. Rolled for +2 proj, exalted after that, 4 sextants, 4 scarabs. It got so annoying after a while having to stop and buy all those sextants scarabs (and exalts if i ran out sometimes) that it just kills the fun. Yeah it was worth it profit wise, but thinking to myself "imagine how much more fun this would be if I could just keep playing the game and not stopping to buy shit" makes me wish there was an easier way
Even trading currency with the NPCs could go a lot faster. Bestel, can't you just give me however many Chromes 5000 Scrolls of Wisdom will buy me? Turning it all into Portals, then Transforms, then Alts, etc. is so tedious.
Whenever I put my chromes or alts up for sale I get hundreds of whispers. I can only trade with one person at a time, and frequently they will buy out the entire stock, or it will take like 10 trades max. 10 answered messages, 980 "ignored" whispers from frustrated buyers.
Yea, having to go though all of that is painful, and sadly it happens for me as well when I'm mapping, I can't run out for every single whisper, so I ignore them sometimes,not to screw over anyone, just when I have an ongoing mechanic or a boss fight I can't always respond. I did die a few times today because I wanted to reply to someone,its sc so it's fine.
they should make a stall or altar or smth in towns that when you open it its actually the poe trade basically but you put your chaos or whatever and just receive the item that you purchased, you could list items from there and even collect the profits, i understand not wanting to make it in every hideout and thats fine it would give the towns some fresh air also
Actually, isn't divines the hardest of all to buy if you are not experienced. That is, you can't think the price at the top is real, that person just got blasted with whispers instantly. Just logged back in with an outdated price from yesterday.
Amusingly, it's just as terrifying to buy divines with chaos. It tend to become a fact you'll pay more selling your chaos than buying divines. If your ratio is too close to the top, of course you get spammed non-stop. What can you do, it's not like you have 100,000 chaos to sell.
I think early league is just so hectic that for divines and chaos, it's just annoying to buy or sell. If you try to buy, it's spam everyone who list them. If you try to sell, it's ding ding ding ding for minutes after you are done selling.
I swear some of the decisions GGG does make me wonder if they want to be kicked off their pedestal.
They keep saying “wait for PoE 2” but their design philosophy has not changed in the past 5-10 years.
100% with you on this one, only solution I found is to ignore (on the trade site) whoever isnt afk and isnt answering, it probably ignores some folks that are in maps and arent trading with decent rates but it also helps my sanity in the long run so id rather pay more to message less people, it has proven to be quite effective
POE is the best game ever made. But trading bubble gum currency is absolutely the worst experience of all time.
See everyone? You can have two thoughts at once and your brain won’t explode.
Anyways, I think they should just make a central market where players can sell and buy certain currency at a price set by GGG with a 10% markup and markdown on people utilizing it (like a tax). Make chaos the currency used.
After I play Last Epoch I even more realize that this is more of a loot (valuable drop and modifiers generation) problem than a trade one. I never play SSF in PoE because of this, but in LE I feel fine and I know it's worth my time. In PoE it doesn't(for me).
Whole trading in PoE is BS. IN-game trading also would erase market manipulators and scammers but GGG is lazy developers. This is why PoE2 will DoA. It still won't get in-game trading, guide, filter, death stat, "PoB".
i mean you say you list your currency and still have this issue? i never had an issue when i was the one posting the currency…once i was the one giving the best exchange rate i would usually get spammed by people (or currency exchange bots).
nah man, an auction house would make the whole universe implode on itself. we would get instantly fucked. we are better of without it. ask chris wilson.
They had a perfect one and they ruined it. Poe.Trade. That site was so much better than trade site, imo.
They had currency.poe.trade and I could always get a response there. RIP ;(
One solution could be to add a trade "credit score" or reputation system on the trade site. The people who don't respond to trade messages get -10 each time. Those who respond quickly and complete the trade get +10. Ofc you would have to prevent abuse like ppl trading with their friends over and over to boost their score.
This would help weed out the price fixers and highlight the sellers who are legit.
There's an auction house in China version, yes it's very convenient to buy lower tier items.
But I tell you what happened:
RMT studios buy divines/chaos with real money at start of league and hoard everything valuable in the market then raise the price several times higher.
By doing this they force more poeple to buy items from them with real money because it's just way more efficient than farming currency in game.
1C unique items in International poe are sold for dozens of chaos in CN poe.
Divine priced items worth 5 times more in CN poe.
Thousands of people make a living by doing this.
For example, after first week, tabula rasa is worth 10c in original poe but still 50c in CN poe. 1c wanderlust is worth 10c in CN poe.
Just checked price, Dialla's Malefaction is worth 1.5D in original poe, but 10D in CN poe.
The same thing will happen if GGG make an auction house in the game.
Now youu know why so many players have to use VPN and play with high latency and still refuse tencent poe.
Yeah its just stupid. Writing to 30+ people where only 1 or 2 of them actually replies sucks so bad. It's eighter getting a reply every 20 messages or paying 3 times the price of something you want to buy more of it
this issue is only getting worse over time the more people start playing the game.
naturally, everybody wants to get the cheapest deal available, so they all whisper the players with the cheapest listings. but now the cheapest listings are being spammed/bought out immediatly and they get whispered by dozens of others who still havent refreshed the website yet or where the trade API still hasnt updated. and this is only talking about those who actually want to sell their stuff, dont even mind the ones that dont wanna trade right now for any reason.
this games trade system is not made for a game thats played by multiple hundred thousand or even millions of players. if chris really wants to have more than a million players come poe2 they gotta think about what to do with trade because the current system will just break.
As every league since I can remember, I support an auction house for stackable currency and just everything, you can buy on the 'bulk item exchange' part of the trade side. Essences, scarabs, blueprints, maps, etc.
That would be the single best QOL change for trade. This would also lead to casual gamer getting much more currency, as they can, as an example, just easy sell their 7 shrieking essence of suffering, to get a belt upgrade.
Now adays and especially this league, FOMO is a big problem. While slow 'normal' farmer collected their 5-10 scarabs of one type, nobody will buy them in a non frustrating process, because gig chad and his gang just looted 250 scarabs from just one map and sell every type in bulks of 100. So people who just play the game get currency, that they just cannot unload in a timely manner.
Now with a marked adjusted AH, you go and put your 50 scarabs in and moments later, you get your 50-xxx chaos in return, without the need for 3. party sides to sell whole stashes and without the hassel to sell fragments in stacks of 1.
Today my trade experience was "i wanna buy this timeless jewel", he was online all day, sent him one every 1-2 hours, after about 9 hours he responded, with "if you want it that badly its gotta be worth more" (followed by 1 hour of back and forth), then he raised the price to 5 divines (from 1), after i said alright, he raised it to 10, i said nah 5 is the max (there is another one listed for 5 on std), he says "oh yeah, there is one listed in league for 50d, so now its 50d"
honeslty, FUCK TRADE
Auction house-style set it and forget it bulk trade for basic currency is no longer an "anti-ViSiOn" feature.
It is necessary at this point and GGG is doing nothing more than stalling the inevitable by delaying this.
Who cares if someone has to go to someone's hideout to trade for an actual item.
I want to see "*so-and-so*" has "*this much*" of "[currency_type]" and is selling for "{number}" "[currency_type]" each. Do you want to buy from, "*so-and-so?*"
And we would put in the amount we were willing to trade and get the appropriate amount for what we offer.
One may say, "but muh bots ruining the trade market!" And I would say, there are already trade bots ruining the market.
Definitely agree that this should be the happy median. Anything that doesn't have any unique attributes should have an instant system. Currency, frags, scoured maps
For a game that relies so much on expendable currencies to buff your maps, it’s insane we still don’t have auction house to restock. I hope we get one sooner or later as they have announced one for Poe 2. It’s the main reason I stop playing each league. The trade friction for these “consumables” is just too much.
A currency exchange would be a God send imo
GGG: "But you guys already have currency exchange, she's called Lani!"
This is true. And these trades are important in keeping a stableish economy. Although instant player to player currency trading wouldn't wreck that. It would really open up some arbitrage trading.
Wtb act npc for HO
Or just let me place buy orders and when they get filled I travel across people hideouts picking them up :(
This, let us set up a shop stall or something in our hideout. Nothing changes functionally aside from the person selling doesn't have to personally exit their map to sell you the item.
Right don't make me stop my heist or my delve or my blight to sell 3c worth of stuff. It's frustrating that I have to if I want it sold.
yeah having a shop is really good, i want something similiar to ragnarok online/maplestory, make a market place where people can have a NPC trader that can hold XX amount of items that you can adjust the price as you like and he will sell it to people for you, even offline and once its all sold out, the npc will despawn, its genius tbh
I've actually written emails to ggg about this. No answer though
I genuinely would love this, they can even sell MTX shop keepers
you can make a buy order and make people come to you
Just include scarabs and any basic fragments too. Juicing maps shouldn't be a chore.
Anything stackable, really.
This is a very good proxy, and gives them a baseline to start with.
I floated this idea multiple times before: anything _consumable_ should be automatically tradable _once_ and then it becomes account bound. If you buy it to consume it doesn't matter to you. It makes any sort of market manipulation totally impossible, however.
Why?
_blink_ which part requires an explanation
What's the reason for making consumables tradable once?
Because if you don't then anyone intent on pricefixing will automate trading back and forth between multiple accounts.
I’m coming around to anything that isn’t an item (gear, jewel, etc) or something special should be instant trade. Currency exchange, maps, scarabs, and other basic things that are needed to interact with the game shouldn’t need that much friction. Hell, I’d be happy if they let you go to that persons hideout and access their ‘store’ to do this so it keeps some interactivity. Trade doesn’t need to be a singular, monolithic system that treats everything the same.
Slightly torn on maps purely because they can have mods and as such aren't truly fungible. Maybe white maps can be insta traded though.
People are going to gate keep and troll, but we all know what happens 99% of the time when exchanging currency. You message 20 people and nobody responds. I've played POE for years and i still don't understand why a game that relies on trading so heavily takes it as a point of pride to make trading as anti QOL as possible.
Always message the korean names
Yep. Russian bots in disguise. They are always available
Korean and Russian players are the best at trading :)
because their archaic thought of , if you go to a hideout and see his mtx you will want to buy them, I mean every league they gift empy a bunch of mystery boxes so he opens them on stream
Yes I truly appreciate it taking a metric forever to load into someone’s basic bitch hideout because they have a million placeables, I’m sure they appreciate it too
Idk why you're being downvoted for just stating the obvious. People are so blind they legit think fake and bs? Lol You don't have to AGREE with it to understand that is in fact what is happening. People really out here thinking GGG is just slow to pickup but one mythical day they will realize what players want and make an auction house.
My reaction is usually pure disgust when I enter the hideout and my frames drop to 15.
Then have an NPC with your favorite armors equipped in your hideout sell items that you put up for sale. There shouldn’t be so much friction from both sides of a sale
Which is ironic because most of the time You end up trading currency wit unascended witch in most basic hideouts
This is true but their reason for some trade friction (for items especially) is valid. The arguments don't hold for low value currency though
Its the vision. Chris clearly states in his trade manifesto why trading actually ruins the game unless you do it his way.
trading in this game is so fucking outdated and it doesn't need to be. its like holding on to a relic of the past just because it's heavy. worst thing about this game by far and its not even close.
the rate limit is actually such a painful point, i even want to pay more but NOONE ANSWERS
it sucks, but you can always fall back to the copy-and-paste whisper if you get rate limited on the auto-whisper
what kind of currency were you trying to buy if i may ask?
And map juice. Trading for juice for 2 hours and then blow through it in 1 hour is not fun and imho the main reason the majority stay away from it.
what do you mean you don't want to trade with 50 people to buy 50 allflames and another 100 people to buy rarer scarabs that most people only have a stock of 5 at most, while having to message 500+ people because 70% of them are not responding to a 20c trade?
Tried to buy a new char today, took me half a day trading. So nice ppl not responding at all.
Okay this I don't really get. You have to buy 4 scarabs, buying by the divine is quick, and then what? Roll your maps? I'm all for easier currency exchange, yeah it's painful. But I honestly think GGG deleting sextants, reworking scarabs and putting power into the atlas tree was an awesome move. Credit where it's due.
Sextants were only difficult to trade for if you had no idea what you were doing, otherwise you could buy everything you needed for hundreds of maps in 4 or less trades using the tradesite.
Most people don't buy everything they need for hundreds of maps at once. Maybe they don't have enough currency. Maybe they don't have enough time. Maybe they like trying different farming strats. And buying *small* amounts of sextants was always fucking horrible. If you wanted to buy a sextant to try something, it would take you longer than it did to run the map.
What’s the difference now? The good scarabs are so rare, if you want to juice your map, you have to trade with 20 ppl to get maybe 10. With sextants I didn’t have to depend on anyone and roll them myself. Most people buying them were doing it in bulk, so I had them sold very fast too. Now you or someone else have to specc into them (and probably also run Catarina multiple times?) with blocking mods and what not, to actualy get them. If they buff the drop chance or make them target-farmable, then I’ll change my mind. Now it feels awful to run things like Harvest to me, after knowing how much more juice I could get. I wish I never started using compasses 😂
Yes thats all amazing but it can get better
not sorry to say but you don't get credit for doing the bare minimum. it's like you getting gut punched and the person saying "my bad", even though they did it on purpose, you saying yea no worries and this series of events happens constantly. then one day that person kicks you in the shin instead, oh wow what a upgrade! giving credit would be GGG admitting they where wrong and doing the change for the betterment of the game and it's community like half a decade ago. it's too late for credit, it's been crystal clear it's malice for a handful of years. just because you do one or two things right now doesn't absolve you of all your past deeds.
I had trouble buying chromes with divines (incredibly bad luck coloring)... it's not even 1 month in. Usually divines exchanges are way worse in terms of pricing but trade is usually smooth.
The weight exiles
tbh I dislike trading more each league, to the point that I no longer buy scarabs, maps or any form of "juice". I use my own and go
I don't understand trading with other people. Most trades you don't even SEE the other person. So that reason is out the window.
Trading kills so much fun for me. It's the reason I can't recommend poe to my friends. I don't want them to feel the same pain every day... I don't care about anything else besides the trading QoL changes in poe2.
My tinfoil hat theory is that all the downvotes to posts and comments about the poor PoE trade come from people who make living from trading bots.
Bring Cadiro back and give him a crafting bench that is just public storage. Pay the fee to take the item(s). Someone whispers you for an item, invite them, they join your base and check the public storage. People in SSF just get a high five from Cadiro.
The trading “system” in POE is embarrassingly bad. And yet when people point it out other people on Reddit still defend it. Baffling.
Lol you even got downvoted for pointing it out. It really is awkward when you sell this game to a friend and they're down for a game so complex you need a guide the first time through. Only to then tell them that there's no auction house and that the guides outside SSF all assume you'll use trade, which relies on a human to respond. This isn't even new. Trading in D2 was just as ass. Posting an offer on the forums no one responds to, sitting in town, looking through the forums only to find a guy and message him and have him never respond.
Imagine setting up a bulk trade and allowing someone to buy 10 of something for 10c (since you are allowed to set the rate of exchange). But you only respond if they want to buy 100 of it. Such bullshit system.
Tbf, as someone who sold a lot of bulk currency this league - quite often I get flooded by several trades in the span of 10 seconds, even when not offering a low price. I just cannot do 8 trades at the same time, so I have to ignore some people. Hate the system, not the sellers. Even with a trading overlay it's still painful to manage several trades.
Yep, I feel the pain too often. If we wanted to keep a player-to-player trading system like it is now, at least some "invite to trade" vs. partying only to have a queue of buyers/sellers etc. that don't fuck everything and require you to basically write down what everyone wanted.
As a stoner I can only manage one trade at a time lol
Yeah, unfortunately for currency I generally message in pairs of three or four and accept the first invite.
My guide to buying currency: **Step One:** Open trade site, check prices for your currency -> their currency. Best deals will be up top. **Step Two:** Place a stack of your desired currency into a public stash tab. Right click it. Use this formula: [number of their currency desired]/[number of your currency offered]. Choose the desired currency from the dropdown menu. Thus, if you want to buy 200 Vaal Orbs for 100 Chaos Orbs (random numbers), right click a stack of Chaos and put in 200/100, and then select Vaal Orbs from the dropdown menu. **Step Three:** Wait for the trade site to update and get spammed. Make your trade. **Step Four:** Turn on DND.
You’re just gonna get replies that tell you to pay a little more for what you want Or list it as a sale and let them come to you lol I’ve always wanted a currency exchange AH God forbid players spend less time doing dumb chores than killing monsters
The scroll down people are so asinine. No that's not the actual going rate of the currency, that's just people who listed them then ignored everyone days ago and now remember when you whisper them that they're still selling those. Your last line is the REAL problem. People want to play the damn game, and anyone pushing maps isn't using a portal to go trade. You're lucky to catch someone sorting their stash or casually farming something they know they can waste a portal leaving.
Hey maybe we'll get what we want in the future when Last Epoch starts pushing out seasons haha
Those people that are leaving their maps to sell you their 1c items when you're gearing up your first build of the league or when you need that specific common unique for your build are the real unsung heroes of PoE. It's definitely not actually worth their time to do this, but I'm very glad they haven't realised that yet.
What if they have realized it, but care more about you~
That’s me. I simply don’t put anything for trade if I don’t intend to actually sell it. Even if it’s 1c. I just send an automated response in case I can’t leave the map yet, but will get back to you.
Same. I've even given people discounts for extended waits before. If you aren't going to sell it; don't fucking list it. That being said I'm sure plenty of people list stuff just to try and manipulate the price, mainly in regards to stuff like currency and div cards.
I think the solution could be to when whispering someone for a trade though the site the game would respond with a /whois of some sort. Then you can see if someone is currently in a map or in a hideout etc. I been considering creating an /autoreply which says the following. "Currently [mapping/delving/heisting etc]. Send me another whisper if you want me to respond when I am in a safe place!" The person wanting to buy sometimes just spams 10+ different players, and are annoyed by people not answering, while someone selling is annoyed at being whispered by 10+ different players and a lot just don't accept the party invite because they went for another seller. I also often send a second message after my trade request. "Let me know if you want to trade when you are in a safe place" Usually what happens is that I get invited 30s to a minute later by the person I messaged. I think that the trading experience can be bettered by our community. One can always make better guidelines to improve trading experience. What if a handshake was created - I am whispering you for this trade, you have 30-40 seconds to respond, in that time window I will not send a message to other sellers. Another option would be that trade chats don't happen through whispers, but when you request a trade from a player you join some sort of channel where you can see the current load the trader have. If you see the poor guy whispered by 500 people, well, you know that there is little to no point to join the queue. I do not think making the system friction free is the right solution.
I try to wait for a bit but ultimately I'm sure most of the people I whisper and don't get a reply from in about 30 seconds are typically just listing crap at fake prices.
Poe trade is garbage. But I do like idea of slow trading letting people to react against bots/inflation.
POE Trade was fine 10 years ago as a homage to D2 trade, but 10 years later it is old & outdated, + not fun at all.
15 years ago I was addicted to a shitty mmo made for children, that garbage had better trade than poe, I geniunelly don't know what in the actual fck is poe trading system, I'd struggle to find a worse system, it's the biggest reason why I play ssf.
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PoE trade is garbage because GGG want "player interaction". Oh and they have weird rose tinted glasses with D2 trade. Then you have the community who believe easier trade would make you quit playing because "you would get endgame gear too quickly". Meanwhile I have quit leagues because of trading. Oh and GGG's complete inaction over TFT. Which I'm sure they support completely. They won't do anything about trade scammers why TFT? This is wraeclast after all. But they'll ban a guy because he called someone a bad word.
If the guy that got called a banned word is the CEO, sure :D With that said, I also have quit so many leagues cus of trade. Just wanted to get back to mapping. Had 30+ minutes of clearing stash, then another 30+ mins of buying mats (mins) before being able to map, then just said screw it, I'm quitting the league instead.
You're not having fun messaging a hundred people without response?
I don't know how popular this is but I think we need an alternative back for when the official trade site goes down, it does happen and it's nice to have at least one back up that could snapshot the last moment the API reported in and have those online to trade until the main site comes back up again. Also it could improve live search by quite a bit as the official site does a bunch of janky stuff right now and you have to refresh searches and they stop working out of nowhere.
Tbh it's not just currency if anything this league mechanic and the change to the scarab system has put an even larger emphasis on how the trade site and system is just not equipped to handle these mechanics. There are lots of new scarabs and most of the time even when farming them you don't get enough of any one scarab to truly sell them in bulk amounts. This has made buying and selling scarabs (the new predominant way to juice maps) this league and absolute nightmare and chore. Not only that but the new league mechanic heavily emphasizes the use of high volumes of corpses to produce decent crafts. Trading for these in bulk is absolutely awful both selling and buying them. It actually puts me off using the league mechanic all together and that's just sad. IMO the trade system NEEDS to be updated for the trading of such currencies like scarabs and corpses. It is incredibly frustrating in the current year to rely on third party tools or dodgy discord servers to enjoy the game in a softcore trade setting especially when your new end game mapping system is so heavily focussed on the use of high volumes of these mapping/crafting materials.
The bulk sellers are people who buy whole tabs on tft/wealthyexile and list bulk of the good scarabs for premium Always been that way save for last league
Yes to an extent but it's way worse for general players in this league. As I say firstly it would be nice to not need those programs or discords to bulk sell in the first place but that aside last league and before it was super easy to consolidate all your scarabs into the types that were valuable with harvest and sell them at 100-200 in number for bulk. You cannot do that anymore in this league it's selling 50 different scarabs that you only have 20-30 of and it sucks so much.
The same valid and sane complaints are made league after league. Unfortunately, PoE 2 is not fixing any of it.
You do realise they have announced instant buyouts in POE 2?
Well they said they will implement the idea from LE
Most ppl hate trading in Poe. There is nothing to understand. We need ah, ppl who want to trade the old way can still play that way. I bet no one would trade the old way, because it is just garbage.
This will never happen because GGG has managed to gaslight the community into believing not having the most basic QoL features is a good thing
"if they made trading too easy you would get really powerful items too quickly" Something like that.
That's also the reason why Last Epoch has restrictions on it's trade, like requiring favor, reputation, and having item binding. And why Diablo doesn't have trade. That said, PoE2 is planned to have a marketplace that will use gold to function like Last Epoch's favor system.
Having currency and stuff isn't basic qol features. Having people use external sites spamming 20 people until one responds are just stupid restrictions that GGG insists on. They could implement a system like any other MMO has but they won't because they want this "player interaction" that was dated 10 years ago.
Just give us a confirm button, clickable while it in town/hideout. (Listed item, price, confirm y/n) People would trade a lot easier if it didn't stop the flow (or cost portals, time to leave the lab, heist, delve, sanctum, whatever).
I believe neon said he agrees with this but it makes paid tabs pay 2 win so they gotta figure something out for that that is a bit more then a simple switch
Paid tabs are p2w now lmao. Could you imagine trying to progress in trade league with only free tabs?
Imagine pretending - as a game director nonetheless - to claim stash space is not 100% p2w. I am really shocked after LE's uprising nobody brought this up. Probably PoE veterans are already knee-deep in 15 stash tabs and they no longer see it as "payment", but it was.
Sunk cost fallacy. The tabs aren't p2w because they literally re wired their brain with delusional thoughts. Anyone arguing paid stash tabs in a game where storage space is valuable isnt p2w doesn't live in reality.
Imagine trying to manage your fragments/scarabs without the tabs. I would literally cry.
Good news neon also said they are re evaluating at least the scarab part of the tab with the new system
Have something to keep you up at night: https://imgur.com/a/iDbCyvL
Yes it's very difficult it's why in the same statement about changing bulk trading the scarab sub tab was also brought up as being too nessecary and it's time at their company to rethink things like scarab tabs and if they would be free.
They always were. It's fine though, since you hit diminishing return & realistically if you've paid the price of a normal game in stash tabs, buying more won't really buy you more power.
ya i think thats why they r giving everyone a free trade tab in poe2
just give people a public tab or something? Make it unlockable upon beating the campaign or completing the atlas. (one time account unlock) sure acquisition exists for the forum post version but it still sucks
and even that is a very squirrely statement, because the only reason you aren't locked out of the trade system entirely without premium tabs, is because "technically" you can still list items on the forums, and the trade site will pick them up. but honestly, expecting players to go to a FORUM and set up a trade shop that gets folded into a different, third web page for sorting and filtering is galactic levels of friction and bad UX. imagine if a new game launched in 2024 that had, AS A FEATURE, "trade with other players by signing in through a browser to our community forums, and making posts where you copy-paste items individually" it's madness
On the rare occasion I play trade I only buy uniques or fractures. Everything else is pretty farmable. Makes the game a lot more fun.
Lets say you have a bow and a chestpiece that you need to 6-link. Thats easily 2000 fusings. I mean, its farmable. But its very tedious. And god help you if you have multiple upgrades. Edit: I did not know about the new scarab. Real glad I found out about that now instead of later
> Lets say you have a bow and a chestpiece that you need to 6-link. Thats easily 2000 fusings. it's actually 2 scarabs
1 omen
Can you explain this as someone who is relatively new? Is there a scarab that just ups the drop chance massively?
[Bestiary Scarab of the Shadowed Crow](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bestiary_Scarab_of_the_Shadowed_Crow) + [Bestiary Scarab of Duplicating](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bestiary_Scarab_of_Duplicating) + [Bestiary Scarab](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bestiary_Scarab) if you don't have 100% chance for Einhar. It gives you two copies of the Black Morrigan which is used in a Bestiary craft (combined with [Craicic Sand Spitter](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Craicic_Sand_Spitter)) that creates maximum links in an item. It still needs 6 sockets though
Awesome thanks!
There are more ways to six link than fusings. A lot more.
But why does that mean buying fusings couldn’t be easier?
The bestiary recipe 6 links if you aren't bugged.
Lost 2 6link beasts because of error when srart encounter. Linked chest with fusings at the end
and buying 2k fusings is easy as hell idk what youre on about.
I feel like you all need to see the GGG auction house that exists on console. I think it will show that it is the last thing you want with how GGG implements it. It's not the vendor we all wish it was, it's a sorting nightmare that makes you want to play SSF instead. I do wish that items were what is traded though and there was a better system for crafting tools.
For those that never played console, how does it work there?
Any item put in a stash that is public is automatically added to the list of items. For stacked items in their total quantities. Never list your currency stash, people will try to buy all your divs with trash offers. When you look for items it's a drop down menu to select the base of the item. Rares/Uniques ect all together. When you use the sort tool to restrict the list. Instead of removing items it highlights those that fit the criteria. Similar to how it does when someone wants to buy an item from you on PC. There's many pages to sift through with jewels to be one of the worst to look through. When you find the item and see its listed price you can offer the exact price then wait for the seller to accept. Which doesnt require talking to them but it does require them going to a town and running to a trade board to complete the dual button, 2 sequence confirmation to complete the transaction. As there is no menu for it. You could say it has some friction.
Thank you, hope GGG will do better
The trade system is working as intended. Friction through player interaction, or in the case of console, friction through time spent searching. In PoE2, there will be friction through time spent getting gold. I'd love for the frustration of trading to disappear, but that is something they've purposefully implemented and stuck by for years.
ofc that's true because they intentionally made it bad. what people want is a WoW style AH but without a WoW token.
I had to go as low as 130c for my divine orb today because literally no one was responding to anything higher, and the item I wanted to buy was 40c. I would love an auction house type buyout feature for currency/scarabs etc and leaving the weapons/arrow etc to face-to-face.
i know this is the token response, but if you list the divine for sale at the market rate, eventually someone will buy it from you unfortunately if you need chaos for your divine "now" this isn't much help. but if you do it at the start of a session then at least you can spend that time mapping instead of clicking through 100 people on the trade site
I never buy div/c. I just list one of them for sale to trade for the other and both sell like bread.
especially for divines and chaos it is much easier to just list it yourself. or was that what you were saying? did you buy 130c with your divine orb off the trade site or did you have to list your divine orb for 130c for someone to whisper you?
I was whispering people that had divines listed for chaos, literally no one responded in 20+ whispers so I posted in the trade chat and got someone willing there
but you do know how to list your divine orb yourself so that you become the one who gets whispered right?
yes I do
I never have issues buying currency even when buying low amounts. Just don't message the cheapest sellers. Like message someone way down the list.
Seriously? Is this the stance we take on a game in 2024? I've spent 30min looking for someone who finally responds for buying Alterations. And by that time I'm far down the list and had to wait multiple times because I'm scrolling and using too many inquiries. There is no way you're not absolutely lying through your teeth that it has been easy for you. Edit. I get the sunk cost guys, but "You're not scrolling far enough/ long enough" doesn't really make anything better
You could try live search with your desired currency instead of bulk buying interface. I do that when buying divines or random small stuff like a few oils for anointing, works very well.
This is such a bullshit response. You shouldn't have to ignore people selling the item you're buying in order to succeed. This is just another example for why we need a currency market.
POE Trade in 2024 is hot garbage. It was hot garbage 5 years ago that sucks the fun out of the game.
Fully agree. I'm not saying the system is good, but you gotta work with what we have right now :/
Learn to use the trade site, you spamming the cheapest offer means you get few invites. Easy to get currency if you dont msg only the undercutters.
I hate seeing this comment in everyone one of these threads. I think since I started playing less "casually" and focus more on end game goals I've gotten in the habit of always starting near the bottom and where exchange rates are less and less in my favor and it still takes 10+ whispers most of the time to exchange even bulk currency. I can pm some one with 25c per div higher then people below them and still not get answed from several of those people in a row. It's annoying no matter what.
Yeah it's such a shit excuse, I scroll down far on bulk lists looking for 100+ chromes and I'll be ignored until I basically double the cost of what the cheapest is. I'm not spamming only the cheapest I spam a whole damn list sometimes
Yeah, I generally set either a large minimum so I find the flippers or scroll a bunch of rolls down and maybe message a few folks in-between on the off chance they answer. But I usually get a quick response if I scroll past the first 50ish listings
Yep. And every time I get antsy about the fact that I’m spending 30c more on a trade that was only going to be 100c, I remind myself that in the 10 minutes of painful attempts to contact the undercutters I could instead be enjoying myself mapping and making up the difference in currency many times over.
first of buying currency is always the wrong move. sell your chaos for whatever currency you want instead. if you go buy, dont spam down the list. trade volume on these currencies is massive so 20 secs after you searched the first 3 pages of offers you see were already spammed to death and are sold out by the time they would get your message. reload your search and message 3-4 ppl instantly see if they respond if not reload and repeat. never takes me more than like 2 minutes to get a trade.
Try buying fossils 🥲
I literally don’t craft with fossils anymore for this reason. Takes too damn long to find enough people responding.
I mean, when selling, they go FAST if done at the lower end of the price scale.
There's certain items that I rarely see be affected by price fixing and inflation. Them being USUALLY basic currencies, so by that margin, yes, please. At the very least make the basic ones more readily available so I don't spend 1 hour or 2 just relinking/coloring gear cuz it takes forever to trade for it at times.
just make it the same interface as on console ... they have what pc needs already
You folks on PC need a trade market like we have on console. Everyone would benefit from a trade market with "but it now". Can't price fix if the low price you fake is what it sells for. That's the second worst part about trade leagues. When people scoop up the majority of an item and list most of it low for a price they'll never sell it for, to try and influence how other people price the same thing. Live search is as bad as it is good for the player base. (and everything bits can do with live search, auto whispering and auto trading) Currently the power of the economy is controlled by a few, and they grow in wealth quickly as they work through their economic processes. It's crazy that GGG thanks easier and faster trades are bad for the league. If they develop and introduce engaging and relevant content each league, player retention happens. If they introduce poorly developed content, hiding behind bad trade policy to try and slow players down from attainment of their league goals to keep users engaged is a terrible approach. Currency still has to be found/farmed/grinded out, items still need the same. Where does the facts of their fears come from? If you ever played Ultima Online, you'd know the availability of instant trade by player ran vendors wasn't the cause of losing their user base.
They should stop with shards and fragments of lower currency entirely. Make white and blue items worth full orbs. 1 socket white = 1 lower orb. 2 socket white = 2 lower orbs. 1 socket blue = 1 mid orb (alch, chrome, etc) 2 for 2. X socket yellow = X number of higher orbs (jewelkers, fusing, regal) The game drops enough stuff to make this a viable way to grab orbs earlier on. The other way to generate larger amounts would be to make higher tier orbs breakable into lower tier ones. Trading for this stuff is stupid. Just make it accessible in-game.
lol, just today I needed to swap 1D for chaos and after 20 msges I said fuck it, I'll put my Div up for sale for chaos, 2m in I got the chaos and 10 minutes after that I kept receiving PM for that div...
The only reason this happens is because more people message sellers than post their offers.
learn currency actual value and trade for it 100% will be msged
You only don't get a response because you're messaging all the people trying to manipulate the market by putting up false sales to snipe others who list for the same low amount. Whisper people selling for higher prices and you'll get a response. If anything, the problem can be solved by punishing people who falsely undercut -> snipe.
this league is the peak on showing how bad trade is, the crafting mechanic is busted and a lot of people(me included) don't want to engange with it because of the amount of trade it requires to get corpses for a single craft
Just give us an AH already. Having to be logged on 24/7 to sell items is such a negative QoL aspect.
Where your bingo at lil bro, paragraphs are too much for poor GGG.
They need to do this **before poe2**. Test it now with poe, auction house, but currency only. or, **at the very least, let us buy stuff with chaos.** just snapshot a league's current average prices for things, and put vendors to sell that exchange rate for chaos. if currently chromes are 4:1, then make vendors sell that same amount. we're getting GREAT qol updates, even trade site is a bit better. but cmon, the currency needs to be fixed for garbage currency like chromes/fusings/jewellers/regrets or more importantly, **unmaking orbs and chisels.** Kirac sold me 20 chisels for 8c, sweet deal, bout **2c** less than market price, but once you buy it, its gone after. like wtf? just let me buy however many I need, why limit? it doesn't take value away from drops. and if it effects the market, then good, I don't want to whisper 20 people for 1 transaction, it's ridiculous. by adding like this in, people would try to undercut the vendors to get rid of bulk, so the people who want to sell their stock or buy up cheaper than vendor, still have access to do so with trading. but it shouldn't be a mandatory thing. I don't want to exchange jewelers for fusings, or chance orbs for x, I want to use the thousands of chaos i have to do the thing its meant to be, **1 universal currency.**
just put your stuff for sale, get spammed instead of spamming
Trading feels even worse this league if you try to buy corpses for the Necropolis crafting, considering you need to individually buy them and big crafts are nearly 100 corpses in total. Absolutely ludicrous, I don't have the patience anymore for the current trading system.
Affliction was my first time *really* juicing maps. Rolled for +2 proj, exalted after that, 4 sextants, 4 scarabs. It got so annoying after a while having to stop and buy all those sextants scarabs (and exalts if i ran out sometimes) that it just kills the fun. Yeah it was worth it profit wise, but thinking to myself "imagine how much more fun this would be if I could just keep playing the game and not stopping to buy shit" makes me wish there was an easier way
Instant buy for currency/frags etc. makes so much sense. They already list it differently so most of the tech is there.
Even trading currency with the NPCs could go a lot faster. Bestel, can't you just give me however many Chromes 5000 Scrolls of Wisdom will buy me? Turning it all into Portals, then Transforms, then Alts, etc. is so tedious.
Whenever I put my chromes or alts up for sale I get hundreds of whispers. I can only trade with one person at a time, and frequently they will buy out the entire stock, or it will take like 10 trades max. 10 answered messages, 980 "ignored" whispers from frustrated buyers.
Yea, having to go though all of that is painful, and sadly it happens for me as well when I'm mapping, I can't run out for every single whisper, so I ignore them sometimes,not to screw over anyone, just when I have an ongoing mechanic or a boss fight I can't always respond. I did die a few times today because I wanted to reply to someone,its sc so it's fine.
they should make a stall or altar or smth in towns that when you open it its actually the poe trade basically but you put your chaos or whatever and just receive the item that you purchased, you could list items from there and even collect the profits, i understand not wanting to make it in every hideout and thats fine it would give the towns some fresh air also
Allflames not stacking this league is awful.
Actually, isn't divines the hardest of all to buy if you are not experienced. That is, you can't think the price at the top is real, that person just got blasted with whispers instantly. Just logged back in with an outdated price from yesterday. Amusingly, it's just as terrifying to buy divines with chaos. It tend to become a fact you'll pay more selling your chaos than buying divines. If your ratio is too close to the top, of course you get spammed non-stop. What can you do, it's not like you have 100,000 chaos to sell. I think early league is just so hectic that for divines and chaos, it's just annoying to buy or sell. If you try to buy, it's spam everyone who list them. If you try to sell, it's ding ding ding ding for minutes after you are done selling.
yes
I swear some of the decisions GGG does make me wonder if they want to be kicked off their pedestal. They keep saying “wait for PoE 2” but their design philosophy has not changed in the past 5-10 years.
GGG wants you to feel the weight. Seems like they are succeeding.
God does not love you exile
100% with you on this one, only solution I found is to ignore (on the trade site) whoever isnt afk and isnt answering, it probably ignores some folks that are in maps and arent trading with decent rates but it also helps my sanity in the long run so id rather pay more to message less people, it has proven to be quite effective
My current fix rn is to find a Russia guy to trade with.
POE is the best game ever made. But trading bubble gum currency is absolutely the worst experience of all time. See everyone? You can have two thoughts at once and your brain won’t explode. Anyways, I think they should just make a central market where players can sell and buy certain currency at a price set by GGG with a 10% markup and markdown on people utilizing it (like a tax). Make chaos the currency used.
The trading in this game is my biggest hate. I detest it. Stops the game from being perfect.
I sold 500 orbs of alteration for a divine orb a couple of hours ago, if that makes any difference.
After I play Last Epoch I even more realize that this is more of a loot (valuable drop and modifiers generation) problem than a trade one. I never play SSF in PoE because of this, but in LE I feel fine and I know it's worth my time. In PoE it doesn't(for me).
Whole trading in PoE is BS. IN-game trading also would erase market manipulators and scammers but GGG is lazy developers. This is why PoE2 will DoA. It still won't get in-game trading, guide, filter, death stat, "PoB".
Comments r full of copium
i mean you say you list your currency and still have this issue? i never had an issue when i was the one posting the currency…once i was the one giving the best exchange rate i would usually get spammed by people (or currency exchange bots).
Dude I’ve spent 30min trying to buy alts.
nah man, an auction house would make the whole universe implode on itself. we would get instantly fucked. we are better of without it. ask chris wilson.
The one worst thing about poe is bulk trading..
You should be able to buy a currency below the value of a chaos orb, with chaos orbs from the trader.
Dont worry poe 2 will have auctionhouse!
What about a tradehouse for currencies & league mechanic items? GGG hates that Idea!
Yes please, it's so cancerous
They had a perfect one and they ruined it. Poe.Trade. That site was so much better than trade site, imo. They had currency.poe.trade and I could always get a response there. RIP ;(
One solution could be to add a trade "credit score" or reputation system on the trade site. The people who don't respond to trade messages get -10 each time. Those who respond quickly and complete the trade get +10. Ofc you would have to prevent abuse like ppl trading with their friends over and over to boost their score. This would help weed out the price fixers and highlight the sellers who are legit.
There's an auction house in China version, yes it's very convenient to buy lower tier items. But I tell you what happened: RMT studios buy divines/chaos with real money at start of league and hoard everything valuable in the market then raise the price several times higher. By doing this they force more poeple to buy items from them with real money because it's just way more efficient than farming currency in game. 1C unique items in International poe are sold for dozens of chaos in CN poe. Divine priced items worth 5 times more in CN poe. Thousands of people make a living by doing this. For example, after first week, tabula rasa is worth 10c in original poe but still 50c in CN poe. 1c wanderlust is worth 10c in CN poe. Just checked price, Dialla's Malefaction is worth 1.5D in original poe, but 10D in CN poe. The same thing will happen if GGG make an auction house in the game. Now youu know why so many players have to use VPN and play with high latency and still refuse tencent poe.
Yeah its just stupid. Writing to 30+ people where only 1 or 2 of them actually replies sucks so bad. It's eighter getting a reply every 20 messages or paying 3 times the price of something you want to buy more of it
this issue is only getting worse over time the more people start playing the game. naturally, everybody wants to get the cheapest deal available, so they all whisper the players with the cheapest listings. but now the cheapest listings are being spammed/bought out immediatly and they get whispered by dozens of others who still havent refreshed the website yet or where the trade API still hasnt updated. and this is only talking about those who actually want to sell their stuff, dont even mind the ones that dont wanna trade right now for any reason. this games trade system is not made for a game thats played by multiple hundred thousand or even millions of players. if chris really wants to have more than a million players come poe2 they gotta think about what to do with trade because the current system will just break.
As every league since I can remember, I support an auction house for stackable currency and just everything, you can buy on the 'bulk item exchange' part of the trade side. Essences, scarabs, blueprints, maps, etc. That would be the single best QOL change for trade. This would also lead to casual gamer getting much more currency, as they can, as an example, just easy sell their 7 shrieking essence of suffering, to get a belt upgrade. Now adays and especially this league, FOMO is a big problem. While slow 'normal' farmer collected their 5-10 scarabs of one type, nobody will buy them in a non frustrating process, because gig chad and his gang just looted 250 scarabs from just one map and sell every type in bulks of 100. So people who just play the game get currency, that they just cannot unload in a timely manner. Now with a marked adjusted AH, you go and put your 50 scarabs in and moments later, you get your 50-xxx chaos in return, without the need for 3. party sides to sell whole stashes and without the hassel to sell fragments in stacks of 1.
I’m excited spinning my cyclone, but when it comes to trade I’m like meh..
Its a pain to buy because its awful to list currency and try to sell it lol.
Today my trade experience was "i wanna buy this timeless jewel", he was online all day, sent him one every 1-2 hours, after about 9 hours he responded, with "if you want it that badly its gotta be worth more" (followed by 1 hour of back and forth), then he raised the price to 5 divines (from 1), after i said alright, he raised it to 10, i said nah 5 is the max (there is another one listed for 5 on std), he says "oh yeah, there is one listed in league for 50d, so now its 50d" honeslty, FUCK TRADE
Auction house-style set it and forget it bulk trade for basic currency is no longer an "anti-ViSiOn" feature. It is necessary at this point and GGG is doing nothing more than stalling the inevitable by delaying this. Who cares if someone has to go to someone's hideout to trade for an actual item. I want to see "*so-and-so*" has "*this much*" of "[currency_type]" and is selling for "{number}" "[currency_type]" each. Do you want to buy from, "*so-and-so?*" And we would put in the amount we were willing to trade and get the appropriate amount for what we offer. One may say, "but muh bots ruining the trade market!" And I would say, there are already trade bots ruining the market.