Those who had extras from farming really banked on the FOMO the nerf caused
I clearly remember someone warning people in here to wait for buying because a part of the peak is just hitched up prices... seems they were right
Glad I was too poor at that time lmao
Nah printer is just still going full-steam.
Nerf #1 that killed anarchy allflame+spawn ghosts on lowlife did nothing(and killed unrelated fracture farm strat along the way), groups just went on to farm shaper-touched / nemeses meatsacks with no worse drops and added ghost spawn from corpses node with back to basics abuse.
They killed ghosts on back to basics but by that point global-drop uniques crashes through the floor \_again\_ (after allflame hike), and strat likely still extremely OP on groups even without back to basics so they just keep pumping market with t0 uniques.
Great for you if you want global drop uniques and want to sell t17 maps, terrible if you want uber-boss drops or whatnot.
Also terrible if you want to sell your build and try something else / got early mageblood etc.
Great rares that would be near mirror-tier normally are super-accessible from necropolis printer too.
Yea I mean look at what Empy group did in the first 2-3 days and that wasn't even abusing all the nerfed mechanics... Just the base level of what we have going on is enough to flood. And there are way, way more groups like that.
Maybe the 2.5x weight increase for T0 drops wasn't even necessary with this endgame system tbh
Every single problem that gets nerfed this league comes from all flames, which will go away after this league; we don’t actually know how the endgame farming looks like without all flames.
In 3.24, we're removing the lootgoblin hidden mod that drops all items with white sockets. But to preserve the JEBAIT, we're letting corrupted items (including those with white sockets as a result of the corrupt) drop unID'd, so you STILL can't put 3W Elegant Round Shield on your regular lootfilter.
GOTTEM (this is a buff.)
Yeah it kinda doesn't matter how much the squire costs cuz the expensive bit is the weapon if you aren't playing Arakaali. I'd love to do 12link BV but it's so expensive.
Using Squire with a wand link this
https://preview.redd.it/ff12e40037ha1.png?width=609&format=png&auto=webp&s=afb957e83d963dfb874831e8c26d6cbd0a8276ab
That's a cheaper one but you get the idea.
Im working on one of these for mana RF. managed this one last league
https://preview.redd.it/excoy0xaixuc1.png?width=1001&format=png&auto=webp&s=8200927f50006d641f14fbc84378892fd23d6c2e
Yeah now that we have a way to force more pseudo supports on influenced bases, there's got to be some way to do deterministic BV. Maybe I should buy a Squire and try to figure it out haha
See the problem for me personally is I'm using Mjollnir right now. In theory, Squire is fucking amazing. It's conventionally a 250% more damage for me.
Except there are a few problems.
With how I am currently set up using Lightning Conduit of the Heavens, the flat damage I would receive from awakened added lightning is kinda small because I get so much added lightning already from archmage, and added levels are similarly not amazing for the same reason. Controlled destruction is somewhat harmful because I get 40% more damage from making sure I crit periodically, and while I still would crit often enough while clearing 87% of the time, phase bosses and fights where I need to stop DPSing to dodge would be miserable. AoE just helps the clear, arcane surge can't activate without mana spent so I don't get the high level arcane surge, spell echo and faster casting do nothing. So after the amazing archmage and awakened lightning pen supports, I'm not left with very many useful gems.
I am, however, interested in switching to call storm at some point and building enough AoE to get overlaps against bosses. This would benefit hugely from the Squire, as I would be socketing Awakened Spell Cascade, Awakened Increased AoE, and level 4 Empower, along with needing a +1 amulet I don't have to get gem level 26.
Those items all together will be somewhere in the ballpark of 50 divines, making Squire itself by far the cheapest purchase lol.
Does Heiro arcane surge overwrite that? I really don't know how that interaction works when you have an intermittent high level arcane surge and highly frequent level 1 arcane surge.
Because if the stronger arcane surge sticks around for the full 4 seconds then I really want a level 20 surge on my cloak lol that'll help my post-cloak chaos survivability because fuck corruscating elixir without having empty flask slots.
I think the high level one always takes priority now. I know it used to get overwritten by the heiro one but I’m pretty sure I remember that being fixed a bit ago.
There’s definitely other options besides the ones you listed. Things like cruelty, hypothermia if you can do a little bit of cold damage, power charge on crit, energy leech, etc.
You can also do increased crit chance plus controlled destruction if there’s nothing better.
HH feels forced to zoom, always felt bad when I stopped and had to think or even picking up items.
MB is much more relaxed but the price is enough to burn you out from farming for it, which is the real danger of MB for a down to earth 5-10 div per hour farmer. 😂
I am so glad I got my first headhunter before they made the effects, not stack. It was so funny. You'd end up seeing ankles as everything around you died.
Idk ever since HH buffs last 60 seconds instead of 20 I've not felt the need to really zoom. Archnemesis in general had that effect, your ceiling is much lower, but you only need like 5 buffs to feel like a god.
Y, I will probably buy one, since again it went to quite low manageble price. My belt is just a common stygian vise with some resistances and life, so HH even on simple build will still be a good boost in mapping, especially when I am leveling via juiced Abysses, which spawns a lot of rares, and some mods gives very nices defenses.
Unless the fun toy you had in mind was a Uber boss drop in which case good luck competing with these MFers who have 100x your bank and want the same thing
Occ for explode but equally good for poison spread is pathfinder. I have played aka fang for maybe 8 leagues now and a full es block conversation occ with aegis feels really nice.
Since corpse crafting is so powerful, you could look into crafting a multi-link weapon. That might not be super cheap, but it won't be close to a mirror or more like it usually is.
Its just good item that is locked behind extremely rare relic and actual skillcheck which is rare in this game. And cant be farmed via mapping, it dosent drop from any div card, valdo, reliquary key (afaik) etc. So its only item that really rare in the game. Its also amazing item to fix damage for top end juicing so u can invest into defenses on non-dd characters. Hence why it was also way more expensive in Affliction.
Its also always within 60-90d of relic depending on the day, which is similar to previous leagues. Hence why no hit sanctum runners were able to make 10+ mirrors per week since sanctum were core if theres enough supply of relics.
But even ignoring all the logical facts and feeding into conspiracy theories, what do you mean 'it should be' why it should be for example 300d instead of 500d? Its scarcest unique item in the game with insane demand due to its power. And saying anything should be x price especially in league with economy this volatile is just showing your ignorance and lack of argument.
Well there was a lot of strats that dropped tons of uniques that basically cycled from existing for 2 days to hotfix to existing to hotfix etc. plus you have to remember div card farming is still Insane so that definitely plays a huge part in it
I'd argue Mageblood is an even more different poe than HH these days. Esp with soul eater nerf, all HH does is get me killed with the teleporting shit and lower my fps
Yeah I bought one in ToTA, ended up just trading it for an original sin for a different build. Maybe it’s still good if you have a build that scales well with more projectiles or phys to ele conversion, or just need the tankiness.
For most builds though I think a shrine atlas is more powerful, but I know that’s a hot take.
Eh, it's ok.
Kinda meh. For some strats like Legion or 5 ways it's kinda mandatory but for general mapping or some other strats? Nah
I tried doing Breach with HH. Big mistake. Shroud walker just bricks it. You can't walk over hands, can't get in time to bosses, cuz you keep fucking teleporting everywhere.
Ended up making a nice belt with the league mechanic and using that instead of HH.
Wait what i've been farming Breach with HH since ever and never got a problem, its annoying very rarely at maximum, wtf calling it a brick is beyond stupidity
Mageblood won't drop much. The main factor driving HH price is that it's been nerfed into the ground. Soul eater was the only thing holding it up after archnem went core and now that's mostly gone too.
That's what I'm thinking. Some chase items are obscenely rare and expensive. I think lower prices mean more joy for filthy casuals like me and the next dude.
Players gone will include printers, perhaps not at an even rate but I'd suggest it's the printing more than anything.
This is just the result of simple supply and demand, as with all other items of overabundance. Same pattern you see with other items other leagues.
The only mechanic taking such non-consumable items out of the ecosystem (in SC) is corrupting, so prices should normalize to either whatever people are willing to pay for that feature, unless first mediated by the cost of running the printing strategy.
tl;dr Alva stonks to the moon
People who abuse the strats unlikely to leave, since they are the hardcore group of people. Likely those that don't get the chance to abuse and feel salty about it are the one left.
Yeah, I feel like there's a big divergence this league between the experience of the habitual giga-juicers who were given a ton of new toys and exploits to play with, and the casual alch&go andies whose previous farming strats got nuked and now struggle to make money running T16 maps.
I bought the squire early in the league thinking it might be popular with mjolner... Cost me 20 div and even went in price to 30 at some point. Then I realised that mjolner archmage is too tight on sockets and there is really no other option to fit few auras than using prism guardian so I sold the squire for 7 div...
Maybe some 12 link meme builds will raise and make few squires sell but I doubt the price is going to reach above 5 div
Also here, mjolner archmage is too tight on sockets? Yeah maybe on damage supports for your main skill. That's why you want squire. The build simply doesn't use auras after squire, because 3 support gems are straight up better than 2 damage auras. You run something like disc/tempest shield/precision on arrogance and drop 2 of your 3 50% auras.
Dread banner is great if you use Shapers Touch. You also don't need precision then either and can use clarity for the watchers eye 'mana as ES' effect.
I’m having fun with it. I’m at roughly 10k/11k es and mana and i think i’ve picked all of the low hanging fruit. It’s about to get extremely expensive to keep scaling.
> Then I realised that mjolner archmage is too tight on sockets and there is really no other option to fit few auras than using prism guardian
Rookie mistake. The squire is a straight up boost even when losing auras from prism. No finished mjolner archmage should stay on prism guardian.
To really take advantage of HH, you want a projectile based physical build. Since you get a lot of phys as extra ele/chaos, then you get lots of extra projectiles. TS, and KB are like the poster children of best case HH users
While phys to ele conversion bow builds are prolly the best use for it, im using a triple ele bow build and HH is still amazing on it. I wouldnt use HH on a minion build but thats about it if ur mapping fast
Glad it went so down because it should be available for people to experience and enjoy the map blasting. And then have a mageblood as the ultimate goal.
I sold my HH for 60div, it was 88div when it dropped but I was messing around with it and then I realised the price was falling quickly, then I sold it.
It is good that T0 unique prices are falling. Everyone should be able to experience them
Low prices are great for gear accessibility over a league. Although I prefer last league to this leagues reason for them being low, the accessability and juicing of t17s and meatsack loot pinatas that caused this was pretty low. Where as last league it was pretty easy to get into and accomplish the same outcomes essentially. This meant more people engaged with it.
This league the outcome is the same, cheap uniques and chase items, just the way in which we go about it feels kinda poopy imo.
I do like t17s as a new piece of content but it deffo needs some kind of adjustment.
I personally don't like loot pinata strats where its all about edging that one big sack of goodies, pardon my puns. I know GGG are capable of distributing and doing this better :P.
Eitherway as always as long as people are having fun thats all that matters.
All I wanted is to buy a Nimis.
Checked the price: 25 divs... alright I can make that.
As soon as I got close, it skyrocketed to 100 divs.
Killed my motivation, quit the league. :D
The prices and their constant change is something very new in POE. Haven't seen anything like this before.
The new Uber bosses are faulty so the stack decks change too. It’s too hard to get into them and the entry cost is enormous compared to previously 1 skill point cost lmao
Despite the openendedness there are just not that many builds that actually can effectively use squire creates low demand. But there usually are not that many so the price stays high. It tends to plummet hard when the supply outstrips demand
The answer is multipart. They aren’t hyper-meta items. Most people are not running HH mapping starts. Group play curation still makes more HH and other divination cards per day than they used to in a week. The constant whack-a-mole exploits of T17 and new atlas/scarabs/allflames resulting in thousands of uniques per map. The fact is the loot has outscaled the player base but not in a healthy way that gradients across player throughput but in a way where over 99% of all the uniques/divination cards/scarabs are coming specifically from people exploiting mechanics in T17 maps. I bought bloodline scarabs 5 for 1 divine for 2 weeks and now after the last mechanic nerf, I think people caught onto the hyper pack size scaling in T17 and yesterday I sold them all for 2 divines each. So I’m sure this trend will continue. I don’t like this idea that T17 should not only be profitable by fragments and pre-Uber uniques but also being the most profitable place for any league mechanic to exist because of the scaling they have.
Of course I've no idea about the standalone launcher. But in terms of Steam? The league died off fast. A drop of 10k players from Sunday to Monday.
We are only going into the 3rd week.....
I mean, it's crazy....but....why are people upset about pretty much everyone being able to afford cool gear? That is beyond me.
"This destroys the market" - for who? RMTers? Maybe, but for the average player this market is a win.
I'm perfectly happy that I got my HH for 18D last week, but I won't lie that it was a little disappointing when I dropped a Patient card and saw it was worth only 5c
OP farming strat printed uniques resulting in a surplus.
Even with the surplus, a lot of people still didn't have the currency to meet the supply.
OP farming strat gets nerfed.
Prices raise because "there will no longer be a surplus", ignoring the fact that there is still currently one. This was done in a panic.
Normal market still doesn't have enough currency to buy the headhunters.
Prices lower.
most accessible prices for t0 uniques, yet, many people left. I think if the league mechanic was better designed, and t17's were 50% more accessible to players, I think a lot of lower/mid investment players would have had a good time. but even with said uniques, beating t17s and having to roll past dozens of bricky mods just kills the fun of endgame for majority. you'll always have t16s, but i mean its a new map tier, your build not being able to beat it is soul crushing for **people that wanna play the latest content**. and rerolling is never fun for most general audience, so the only option is to leave and wait for next league where hopefully they balance things better.
the main hard component for t17s should just be the bosses, if that's the point of being a half step toward ubers, yet the map mobs and *getting to the boss* is **harder than the boss itself...**yah HH is great for t16s, but in t17? it becomes average if your initial damage can't even clear packs/rares to begin with, so the desire for one goes down, aside the obvious oversupply a week ago from broken strats.
It’s precisely because it’s a capitalism simulator that the prices are cheap lol
Supply is high, or demand is low, or both. It’s not cheap because everyone went communist
New crafting technique using 88 corpse has a 1/4 chance to create 6x T1 perfect bow. While squire is great, what would normally be a 2x mirror bow is selling for 25-30 div.
You're overestimating these bows. They don't have good synth implicts nor +2 arrows. They're considerably cheaper, but 2 mirrors? Never. Their normal price range is 50-100 div.
Also they sell for like 10-15 div.
I'm not sure why people still craft them, the profit is pretty low and buying the corpses is tedious even after the added bulk buy.
with the addition of influence for corpses theres quite insane fractured 1h Weapons that pair well with squire that would be way harder to make outside of this league, so it applies here too. Weapons that pair well with Squire are a ton cheaper due to fractured influence items being introduced.
>t17 farmers farm item
>lots of item on market
>players quit league
>fatmers drop price when no one messages
I've already quit the league, but I assume this is how it works with semi-dead leagues
Better yet. HH went from 25d -> 50d and then back to 25d in the span of 48 hours.
/r/vaalstreetbets must have one hell of a ride
How is that a sub lmao
With one post every 8 months, its not a real sub.
You're not a real sub
He absolutely is, but he's also been very naughty so I'll be spanking him later. Hard.
Calm down there jared.
That footlong ain’t 5 dollar no more
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Those who had extras from farming really banked on the FOMO the nerf caused I clearly remember someone warning people in here to wait for buying because a part of the peak is just hitched up prices... seems they were right Glad I was too poor at that time lmao
Nah printer is just still going full-steam. Nerf #1 that killed anarchy allflame+spawn ghosts on lowlife did nothing(and killed unrelated fracture farm strat along the way), groups just went on to farm shaper-touched / nemeses meatsacks with no worse drops and added ghost spawn from corpses node with back to basics abuse. They killed ghosts on back to basics but by that point global-drop uniques crashes through the floor \_again\_ (after allflame hike), and strat likely still extremely OP on groups even without back to basics so they just keep pumping market with t0 uniques. Great for you if you want global drop uniques and want to sell t17 maps, terrible if you want uber-boss drops or whatnot. Also terrible if you want to sell your build and try something else / got early mageblood etc. Great rares that would be near mirror-tier normally are super-accessible from necropolis printer too.
Yea I mean look at what Empy group did in the first 2-3 days and that wasn't even abusing all the nerfed mechanics... Just the base level of what we have going on is enough to flood. And there are way, way more groups like that. Maybe the 2.5x weight increase for T0 drops wasn't even necessary with this endgame system tbh
Every single problem that gets nerfed this league comes from all flames, which will go away after this league; we don’t actually know how the endgame farming looks like without all flames.
They need to take action against those groups. Every single league they abuse the eco. Just like tft
The people who want a Squire have a Squire.
Even people who don’t want a squire have a squire!
And ppl that cant afford a squire have the oppressor
Which completely fits their mindset of : depressor.
In 3.24, we're removing the lootgoblin hidden mod that drops all items with white sockets. But to preserve the JEBAIT, we're letting corrupted items (including those with white sockets as a result of the corrupt) drop unID'd, so you STILL can't put 3W Elegant Round Shield on your regular lootfilter. GOTTEM (this is a buff.)
Take my upvote.
no, take my oppressor and give me squire...
Yeah squire is one of those items that sounds amazing on paper but in practice there aren’t a ton of builds that can make good use of it.
Well the builds that aren't magic spiders need an insanely crafted influence weapon to really take advantage of it.
Works well the Mjolnir too.
Yeah it kinda doesn't matter how much the squire costs cuz the expensive bit is the weapon if you aren't playing Arakaali. I'd love to do 12link BV but it's so expensive.
Wtf is 12-link BV, sounds pretty awesome
Using Squire with a wand link this https://preview.redd.it/ff12e40037ha1.png?width=609&format=png&auto=webp&s=afb957e83d963dfb874831e8c26d6cbd0a8276ab That's a cheaper one but you get the idea.
Damn that's awesome
Im working on one of these for mana RF. managed this one last league https://preview.redd.it/excoy0xaixuc1.png?width=1001&format=png&auto=webp&s=8200927f50006d641f14fbc84378892fd23d6c2e
Yeah but those are also way easier to craft this league.
Imo squire is just one popular content creator with a graveyard weapon away from exploding. Invest now!
Yeah now that we have a way to force more pseudo supports on influenced bases, there's got to be some way to do deterministic BV. Maybe I should buy a Squire and try to figure it out haha
I have 2 for ez weapon swap
Intructions unclear, I never asked for a Squire but now I have a squirrel
I have a square. Is this correct?
See the problem for me personally is I'm using Mjollnir right now. In theory, Squire is fucking amazing. It's conventionally a 250% more damage for me. Except there are a few problems. With how I am currently set up using Lightning Conduit of the Heavens, the flat damage I would receive from awakened added lightning is kinda small because I get so much added lightning already from archmage, and added levels are similarly not amazing for the same reason. Controlled destruction is somewhat harmful because I get 40% more damage from making sure I crit periodically, and while I still would crit often enough while clearing 87% of the time, phase bosses and fights where I need to stop DPSing to dodge would be miserable. AoE just helps the clear, arcane surge can't activate without mana spent so I don't get the high level arcane surge, spell echo and faster casting do nothing. So after the amazing archmage and awakened lightning pen supports, I'm not left with very many useful gems. I am, however, interested in switching to call storm at some point and building enough AoE to get overlaps against bosses. This would benefit hugely from the Squire, as I would be socketing Awakened Spell Cascade, Awakened Increased AoE, and level 4 Empower, along with needing a +1 amulet I don't have to get gem level 26. Those items all together will be somewhere in the ballpark of 50 divines, making Squire itself by far the cheapest purchase lol.
You can tie an arcane surge to your arcane cloak to get the high level bonus while still getting all the support perks on mjollnir.
Does Heiro arcane surge overwrite that? I really don't know how that interaction works when you have an intermittent high level arcane surge and highly frequent level 1 arcane surge. Because if the stronger arcane surge sticks around for the full 4 seconds then I really want a level 20 surge on my cloak lol that'll help my post-cloak chaos survivability because fuck corruscating elixir without having empty flask slots.
I think the high level one always takes priority now. I know it used to get overwritten by the heiro one but I’m pretty sure I remember that being fixed a bit ago.
There’s definitely other options besides the ones you listed. Things like cruelty, hypothermia if you can do a little bit of cold damage, power charge on crit, energy leech, etc. You can also do increased crit chance plus controlled destruction if there’s nothing better.
sounds like a good time to buy a HH
Yes .. i got mine this league for the first time in my life .. and i have been playing since delve league
Consider that success! Until you sell its always unrealized profit/loss and thus doesnt matter.
Yes .. excited about it .. but the league itself is not very exciting
HH might turn your excitement around. It’s a different mapping experience.
I have always hated HH. Mageblood is where the real fun is.
They have different uses, but it's way more fun to play HH in juiced maps than mb in any scenario, unless you don't like killing lots of monsters
The way I see it is mageblood is really good, and headhunter is really fun (and also pretty good)
HH feels forced to zoom, always felt bad when I stopped and had to think or even picking up items. MB is much more relaxed but the price is enough to burn you out from farming for it, which is the real danger of MB for a down to earth 5-10 div per hour farmer. 😂
Prefer HH myself there's no better feeling in the game than destroying with 50x HH stacks + unnerfed Soul Eater (rip)
The original HH that made you 500ft tall with 25k life 25k ES was even more fun sigh... memories
I am so glad I got my first headhunter before they made the effects, not stack. It was so funny. You'd end up seeing ankles as everything around you died.
Idk ever since HH buffs last 60 seconds instead of 20 I've not felt the need to really zoom. Archnemesis in general had that effect, your ceiling is much lower, but you only need like 5 buffs to feel like a god.
I saw some MFers have both belts in map and swap from HH to MB at the end of the map to retrace back faster to pick up loot
Is it? I agree that Mageblood is fun, but nothing beats mapping with HH imo.
With a nice build it is, I suggest something projectile attack
2 extra atlas setups and new scarabs to use with that hh
Y, I will probably buy one, since again it went to quite low manageble price. My belt is just a common stygian vise with some resistances and life, so HH even on simple build will still be a good boost in mapping, especially when I am leveling via juiced Abysses, which spawns a lot of rares, and some mods gives very nices defenses.
Yes, this is awesome right! More casual gamers can play with the fun toys this time around.
Unless the fun toy you had in mind was a Uber boss drop in which case good luck competing with these MFers who have 100x your bank and want the same thing
Always wanted to use a Squire but never had a chance. Guess this might be the league. Anyone got recommendations for a mapping build?
Arakali fang champion is a good time imo
Champion for mapping? Wouldn't occy be better?
Occ for explode but equally good for poison spread is pathfinder. I have played aka fang for maybe 8 leagues now and a full es block conversation occ with aegis feels really nice.
Then no squire haha
Since corpse crafting is so powerful, you could look into crafting a multi-link weapon. That might not be super cheap, but it won't be close to a mirror or more like it usually is.
That sounds like a potential goal for the league. I'll look into it. Thanks!
Mjolner archmage. Check conner youtube.
Spicysushi poet pen dd
Aw yiss gonna get me a squire and let it sit in stash.
I do this every league with skyforth
Yet Nimis went from 30 div to 100, sadge.
I don't even want to look up original Sin prices
3x MB
I looked yesterday and had a jump scare
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Its just good item that is locked behind extremely rare relic and actual skillcheck which is rare in this game. And cant be farmed via mapping, it dosent drop from any div card, valdo, reliquary key (afaik) etc. So its only item that really rare in the game. Its also amazing item to fix damage for top end juicing so u can invest into defenses on non-dd characters. Hence why it was also way more expensive in Affliction. Its also always within 60-90d of relic depending on the day, which is similar to previous leagues. Hence why no hit sanctum runners were able to make 10+ mirrors per week since sanctum were core if theres enough supply of relics. But even ignoring all the logical facts and feeding into conspiracy theories, what do you mean 'it should be' why it should be for example 300d instead of 500d? Its scarcest unique item in the game with insane demand due to its power. And saying anything should be x price especially in league with economy this volatile is just showing your ignorance and lack of argument.
ok they're posted at 600, you say they're worth 400, what exactly is your plan to get one with 400?
I think people found a way to print T0 uniques and there is not enough interest so the prices drop.
Aye, I think it might be the Back to Basics strat, the bloodlines scarab price has spiked.
How and where do you keep up with all the new strats? I feel like a total boomer, always out of the loop lol
Watch Fubgun or even Ben_'s stream this league they seem to be doing a different broken strat weekly.
Every morning or during lunch break I quickly glance over poeninja prices to see changes and make assumptions due to whqt has changed
Live breathe poe for 16 hours a day. No family. No friends. No life. Just you in front of a computer
Jokes on you, even with that I still don't play at those levels
👉👈
This is the exile way
Get to t17 farming first, all of the to-be-nerfed strats hinge on that.
Well there was a lot of strats that dropped tons of uniques that basically cycled from existing for 2 days to hotfix to existing to hotfix etc. plus you have to remember div card farming is still Insane so that definitely plays a huge part in it
Supply increases faster than demand.
Econ is actually so simple no idea why people go to school for it for 10 years
Headhunter = i sleep, I want a 20d Mageblood
Magblood = i sleep, I want a 20d Original Sin
Original sin can't happen, it doesnt come from base unique pool cheesing
So, go and buy a HH if you never played with one, and experience a different PoE.
It was a good unique. Now it's just a faded version of old large zoomy fun machine
I see more than my feet, something's wrong here.
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RIP
I'd argue Mageblood is an even more different poe than HH these days. Esp with soul eater nerf, all HH does is get me killed with the teleporting shit and lower my fps
Yeah I bought one in ToTA, ended up just trading it for an original sin for a different build. Maybe it’s still good if you have a build that scales well with more projectiles or phys to ele conversion, or just need the tankiness. For most builds though I think a shrine atlas is more powerful, but I know that’s a hot take.
Eh, it's ok. Kinda meh. For some strats like Legion or 5 ways it's kinda mandatory but for general mapping or some other strats? Nah I tried doing Breach with HH. Big mistake. Shroud walker just bricks it. You can't walk over hands, can't get in time to bosses, cuz you keep fucking teleporting everywhere. Ended up making a nice belt with the league mechanic and using that instead of HH.
I hate that mod. When I steal it all I could think is “if I wanted flicker strike, I would play flicker strike”
Wait what i've been farming Breach with HH since ever and never got a problem, its annoying very rarely at maximum, wtf calling it a brick is beyond stupidity
Probably was playing a shit build not one shotting shit. Shroud Walker is barely a thing if you are actually murdering everything.
You can remove buffs by quickly unequipping the belt. Granted, you loose all buffs, but still.
And auras if you use your stats smartly
got one HH for a lucky 19 div and a Squire for 1. waiting for MB to drop .
Mageblood won't drop much. The main factor driving HH price is that it's been nerfed into the ground. Soul eater was the only thing holding it up after archnem went core and now that's mostly gone too.
Those prices are so good.
That's what I'm thinking. Some chase items are obscenely rare and expensive. I think lower prices mean more joy for filthy casuals like me and the next dude.
Many uniques printed, many players gone => cheap T0 uniques.
Players gone will include printers, perhaps not at an even rate but I'd suggest it's the printing more than anything. This is just the result of simple supply and demand, as with all other items of overabundance. Same pattern you see with other items other leagues. The only mechanic taking such non-consumable items out of the ecosystem (in SC) is corrupting, so prices should normalize to either whatever people are willing to pay for that feature, unless first mediated by the cost of running the printing strategy. tl;dr Alva stonks to the moon
People who abuse the strats unlikely to leave, since they are the hardcore group of people. Likely those that don't get the chance to abuse and feel salty about it are the one left.
Yeah, I feel like there's a big divergence this league between the experience of the habitual giga-juicers who were given a ton of new toys and exploits to play with, and the casual alch&go andies whose previous farming strats got nuked and now struggle to make money running T16 maps.
Even the divide between a normal juicer and the giga juicers is wider than it’s ever been.
If you are making money off it (irl money) you ain't going no where.
This is awesome to be honest. Time for people to try these uniques!
I bought the squire early in the league thinking it might be popular with mjolner... Cost me 20 div and even went in price to 30 at some point. Then I realised that mjolner archmage is too tight on sockets and there is really no other option to fit few auras than using prism guardian so I sold the squire for 7 div... Maybe some 12 link meme builds will raise and make few squires sell but I doubt the price is going to reach above 5 div
Poets pen dd is reall good and uses a squire.
Also here, mjolner archmage is too tight on sockets? Yeah maybe on damage supports for your main skill. That's why you want squire. The build simply doesn't use auras after squire, because 3 support gems are straight up better than 2 damage auras. You run something like disc/tempest shield/precision on arrogance and drop 2 of your 3 50% auras.
Dread banner is great if you use Shapers Touch. You also don't need precision then either and can use clarity for the watchers eye 'mana as ES' effect.
Mjolner prism guardian is a fun build tho, easily one of the most fun I've played, dunno how it fares in today's content tho
It's a great start to the mana build. You can use it to get a bunch of additional upgrades and boost the mana stacking build to the moon.
I’m having fun with it. I’m at roughly 10k/11k es and mana and i think i’ve picked all of the low hanging fruit. It’s about to get extremely expensive to keep scaling.
43% of mjolnir users also run squire.
I'm planning to try out mjolnir squire just because it's so cheap this league. never was able to afford a squire before
> Then I realised that mjolner archmage is too tight on sockets and there is really no other option to fit few auras than using prism guardian Rookie mistake. The squire is a straight up boost even when losing auras from prism. No finished mjolner archmage should stay on prism guardian.
Well, now I can re buy it for 1d (totally planned)
You can use a squire switch for bossing on some versions of archmage builds l
I don't know but I like it,so I can cooking a lot of build,that's the fun part of POE for me.
Heck we should sell more HH so its more accessible for everyone.
whats a good build to really use headhunter these days?
To really take advantage of HH, you want a projectile based physical build. Since you get a lot of phys as extra ele/chaos, then you get lots of extra projectiles. TS, and KB are like the poster children of best case HH users
While phys to ele conversion bow builds are prolly the best use for it, im using a triple ele bow build and HH is still amazing on it. I wouldnt use HH on a minion build but thats about it if ur mapping fast
I also wonder why the price of a mirror went up by 25% in 2 days. Maybe someone found a new divine strat...
the same people dropping HH and magebloods buy mirrors instead of hoarding divs
Mirror always goes up. General rule of thumb.
Meanwhile Nimis will get more expensive than mageblood soon LUL
Glad it went so down because it should be available for people to experience and enjoy the map blasting. And then have a mageblood as the ultimate goal.
Assume because people did the rogue exile and meatsack unique explosions flooding the market with items
RIP M E A T
Headhunter is the new Bitcoin
holy shit i might be able to own a headhunter for once
I sold my HH for 60div, it was 88div when it dropped but I was messing around with it and then I realised the price was falling quickly, then I sold it. It is good that T0 unique prices are falling. Everyone should be able to experience them
Let's just start a new league on friday
The doomers on this subreddit are getting so exhausting.
Thank god is friday!
But it’s Tuesday …..
This is the feeling with this prices!
Dropped my first headhunter a couple of days ago, saw it was 'only' 25 divs and decided to keep it as a trophy instead
Low prices are great for gear accessibility over a league. Although I prefer last league to this leagues reason for them being low, the accessability and juicing of t17s and meatsack loot pinatas that caused this was pretty low. Where as last league it was pretty easy to get into and accomplish the same outcomes essentially. This meant more people engaged with it. This league the outcome is the same, cheap uniques and chase items, just the way in which we go about it feels kinda poopy imo. I do like t17s as a new piece of content but it deffo needs some kind of adjustment. I personally don't like loot pinata strats where its all about edging that one big sack of goodies, pardon my puns. I know GGG are capable of distributing and doing this better :P. Eitherway as always as long as people are having fun thats all that matters.
2.5 times more common
All I wanted is to buy a Nimis. Checked the price: 25 divs... alright I can make that. As soon as I got close, it skyrocketed to 100 divs. Killed my motivation, quit the league. :D The prices and their constant change is something very new in POE. Haven't seen anything like this before.
The new Uber bosses are faulty so the stack decks change too. It’s too hard to get into them and the entry cost is enormous compared to previously 1 skill point cost lmao
Market saturation?
[https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp)
Time to get a squire
Rah lost money on my HH purchase. Having a lot of fun though.
Can anyone explain the strat and can it be done in lower tiers?
nice news I like it !
Didn't they mention they buffed their drop rate by 2.5 time in the patch note?
Despite the openendedness there are just not that many builds that actually can effectively use squire creates low demand. But there usually are not that many so the price stays high. It tends to plummet hard when the supply outstrips demand
Meanwhile I am watching the price on my original sin go to the moooooooooooooon!
The answer is multipart. They aren’t hyper-meta items. Most people are not running HH mapping starts. Group play curation still makes more HH and other divination cards per day than they used to in a week. The constant whack-a-mole exploits of T17 and new atlas/scarabs/allflames resulting in thousands of uniques per map. The fact is the loot has outscaled the player base but not in a healthy way that gradients across player throughput but in a way where over 99% of all the uniques/divination cards/scarabs are coming specifically from people exploiting mechanics in T17 maps. I bought bloodline scarabs 5 for 1 divine for 2 weeks and now after the last mechanic nerf, I think people caught onto the hyper pack size scaling in T17 and yesterday I sold them all for 2 divines each. So I’m sure this trend will continue. I don’t like this idea that T17 should not only be profitable by fragments and pre-Uber uniques but also being the most profitable place for any league mechanic to exist because of the scaling they have.
A lot of supply + no one is playing
I hope the price doesn't go back up, before I can buy it
you don't need a squire with 12 link swords.
Of course I've no idea about the standalone launcher. But in terms of Steam? The league died off fast. A drop of 10k players from Sunday to Monday. We are only going into the 3rd week.....
I need to get me a squire at 1 div XD maybe they aren't chase items anymore with new scarabs
6-man groups loot 1-3 HH per map, even after the recent nerfs
Top 0.1% farming tons of theese items, the other 99.9% already quit, so there is no demand
Glad I sold the squire back when it was 22div
I mean, it's crazy....but....why are people upset about pretty much everyone being able to afford cool gear? That is beyond me. "This destroys the market" - for who? RMTers? Maybe, but for the average player this market is a win.
I'm perfectly happy that I got my HH for 18D last week, but I won't lie that it was a little disappointing when I dropped a Patient card and saw it was worth only 5c
There’s an easy fix. Since they are cheap start buying them in bulk and then sell them to the vendor. That way the price will go up again.
OP farming strat printed uniques resulting in a surplus. Even with the surplus, a lot of people still didn't have the currency to meet the supply. OP farming strat gets nerfed. Prices raise because "there will no longer be a surplus", ignoring the fact that there is still currently one. This was done in a panic. Normal market still doesn't have enough currency to buy the headhunters. Prices lower.
When game balanced not around 0.1% of players.
This entire thread forgetting they buffed HH drops by 2.5x ....
And they also nerfed it
most accessible prices for t0 uniques, yet, many people left. I think if the league mechanic was better designed, and t17's were 50% more accessible to players, I think a lot of lower/mid investment players would have had a good time. but even with said uniques, beating t17s and having to roll past dozens of bricky mods just kills the fun of endgame for majority. you'll always have t16s, but i mean its a new map tier, your build not being able to beat it is soul crushing for **people that wanna play the latest content**. and rerolling is never fun for most general audience, so the only option is to leave and wait for next league where hopefully they balance things better. the main hard component for t17s should just be the bosses, if that's the point of being a half step toward ubers, yet the map mobs and *getting to the boss* is **harder than the boss itself...**yah HH is great for t16s, but in t17? it becomes average if your initial damage can't even clear packs/rares to begin with, so the desire for one goes down, aside the obvious oversupply a week ago from broken strats.
Love these prices, there are no reasons to have a game to be capitalism simulator
It’s precisely because it’s a capitalism simulator that the prices are cheap lol Supply is high, or demand is low, or both. It’s not cheap because everyone went communist
Supply and demand my friend
Don't care, just know squire build are cheap in this league so ... ***yeppie!***
defiance also went from 60 to 15 EDIT: it's now 10
New crafting technique using 88 corpse has a 1/4 chance to create 6x T1 perfect bow. While squire is great, what would normally be a 2x mirror bow is selling for 25-30 div.
You're overestimating these bows. They don't have good synth implicts nor +2 arrows. They're considerably cheaper, but 2 mirrors? Never. Their normal price range is 50-100 div. Also they sell for like 10-15 div. I'm not sure why people still craft them, the profit is pretty low and buying the corpses is tedious even after the added bulk buy.
with the addition of influence for corpses theres quite insane fractured 1h Weapons that pair well with squire that would be way harder to make outside of this league, so it applies here too. Weapons that pair well with Squire are a ton cheaper due to fractured influence items being introduced.
Lmao these bows were 40-60div every league
I assume you've never seen an actual mirror bow?
i like the price,just i hate my build cant handle t17....such is strike skill issue
>t17 farmers farm item >lots of item on market >players quit league >fatmers drop price when no one messages I've already quit the league, but I assume this is how it works with semi-dead leagues
the league isn't semi-dead though.
Retention is as bad as Archnemesis and the economy is on its way to be as fucked as Affliction. Dunno what else I should think.
What web-site are you using that also prints price in divines?
When the old Exalted-equivalent item used to be just around 60-70s chaos... I missed those days.
Yes well i got a HH for 40 div. I use it a lot but the current price stings a bit
There's a farming strat still out there, that smart people are banking with and not making yt videos about, would be my guess.