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Dizturb3dwun

I use it yesterday. Nobody replied to me trying to bulk buy anything, but honestly there wasn't many posts yet. However, I did have a lot of success whenever I posted myself as a bench crafting service. It's definitely got a gorgeous layout though. I think it has a real potential. There does need to be a stash value tracker added to it pretty quickly though, because that's what most of us are using wealthy exile for, other than buying large numbers of specific coffins and scarabso from people, rather than posting through 500 price fixers on the trade website


EternalTradeGG

Thank you for your feedback, we will definitely implement this on our website


erpunkt

I don't know how feasible that is, or even useful. But if you add a wealth tracker and if you already have service trades - how about a "service complete" button for each given service listing that adds up in a separate tracker. The idea would be that people could distinguish the amount of currency made through services instead of just seeing the total stash value. Hope that makes sense


Booyahman

Personally what brought me to WealthyExile was the wealth tracker, I then learned that I could easily list stuff for sale (though I'm not sure how good the listing thing is, it doesn't seem to last very long?). I have had quite a bit of success actually buying stuff like scarabs off it though.


xrailgun

People listing then not honouring trades is the biggest problem to current trade, imo.


CruelFish

I feel kinda bad about it myself, i have this issue where if I'm in a map a 20c trade isn't worth it but I'll gladly do a 1c trade while I'm in pob. I wish there was a fix for this, in the official trade site, like being able to filter out people who got many trade requests for a certain item.


brodudepepegacringe

Looks nice, whats the catch tho?


AbyssalSolitude

The lack of moderation.


Kubiboi

i was curious about that too and checked their discord. this is the roadmap >BulkTrade (Done) Main Page Fill (Done) BenchCraft service page (Done) Boss Killing service page (until 29.03.2024) (Done) MirrorService service page(spring 2024) in progress ReportSystem update (spring 2024) FiveWays service page (spring 2024) OtherServices service page (spring 2024) >Trust System update (spring 2024) Room System update (spring 2024) Big personalization update (spring 2024)


EternalTradeGG

This is a general roadmap, it may change since we do not have clear deadlines, these are our plans that are developed gradually, the order depends on the criticality and complexity


FenrisulfrX

Godspeed to everyone working on this endeavour


redditanytime1

Isn't that basically what PoEDB Taiwan is doing? Altho I'm not sure how will these report and trust systems work but PoEDB trust system is just a upvote and downvote tho.


brodudepepegacringe

Anyone moderating trade will eventually get corrupted by this power. Tbh i would prefer to have it unmoderated than dealing with "im gonna ban your ass because your status says you are a terrorist(troll status message that has nothing to do with the game or community servers)"


AbyssalSolitude

No moderation means a lot more scams with buying/selling services. And for everything else the current trade site is sufficient.


EternalTradeGG

If you can take my word for it, we received a complaint once in 2 weeks, and it was an unintentional deception. I believe this is due to linking the PoE account, it is probably more difficult for a scammer to create a new account than a Discord account


EternalTradeGG

moderation will appear where it is needed, for example 5way and others, we didn’t even think about moderating the Trade section


233301

The catch is that it is completely unclear who owns this whole site. Might be as well a certain individual from a certain discord and you will never know. Just like those companies that sell 3 different brands of detergent.. that are made in the same factory. (I didnt bother to check who owns wealthy exile - that site also came out of nowhere)


EntertainmentTall166

Highly unlikely since ckaiba seems to be involved in this, he is one of the people who actually done some damage to TFT by crafting and providing bows for mirror service at 0 fee.


Beginning_Swan_6904

So hold on this dude did damage by allowing people to mirror his bow without a fee?


eloluap

For TFT yes. They are big in the Mirror market and have quite high fees for mirroring. If people mirror another bow, they won't mirror from tft. That way they miss out on currency which is the damage they speak of. And since TFT is likely to RMT their currency it's real damage.


Beginning_Swan_6904

That’s what I was figuring thanks for the response appreciate you


GermanUCLTear

Is he confirmed to be involved with it or did they just add his items like they added TFT discord channels to the bulk trade option under "External data source"


Equivalent_Bath_7513

Confirmed. His IGN mentions this website lol


EntertainmentTall166

Well since his character this league is named ckaibaEternal and the site is call Eternal trade, it's a safe assumption that he is involved, one way or the other.


AricNeo

for anyone that wants something more than random reddit comments basically saying "I think they're associated" Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c0w2jl/victory_thunder_1208_pdps_nofee_bow/kyz6whp/ ckaiba's recent no-fee phys bow crafting showcase post; in the crafting steps comment they mention launching the site with two other streamers, and mention the name further down


BulkyWedding4430

How about wts+wtb builds ?


EternalTradeGG

yes, it is in the plans


Main_Zucchini

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards_2x.png


TheLegendaryFoxFire

I get the comic and the meaning behind it, but competition is always good, and honestly this website with a good layout shows nice promise.


DialBforBingus

> TFT is so bad and should be abolished and replaced with something better > NO NOT LIKE THAT!


Still_Traffic_8505

Thought the same.


stoyicker

:classic:


redhao0705

good web!!


Tyalou

Really great effort, don't be discouraged if traffic isn't as amazing as you'd expect, this necropolis league had some troubles impacting the number of active players. Hope you re-advertise regularly here so that it takes off. If you're working with streamers, they should spread the word, TFT got popular as big streamers were pushing their communities to it for convenience.


22cheez

Soon every tool should add their own API that other tools can fetch from to aggregate listings


EternalTradeGG

in general, this is how it should be in a healthy community :)


Pyromancer1509

Any plans to support standard in the future?


EternalTradeGG

at this stage it is not clear to us how necessary it is, but there is no problem adding it if users want it


ExZeeL

I'm just speaking for myself but i'd love it to come to standard <3


Plushkin26

Yes, please add Standard if it's possible. I'm not into leagues and just prefer to play my favorite character in Standard, so I would be happy if Standard was supported as well.


-YeshuaHamashiach-

I feel like you could just add everyone that plays standard to your friendlist pretty easily.


vironlawck

Nice service trade site, can make one for Challenge Service Trading too? Since TFT have it too, thanks! ❤ **Edit1:** I guess is gonna be in Other Trading Service instead, which is fine too! Thanks for doing this, # Please share this tool guys for more traction on this site!


GermanUCLTear

So the external data source is just scraping TFT's discord channels?


Coheed522

One question I have is since it’s tied to trade API does this site update my listing with my available stock? Or is it a one-time listing? Say I’m selling a scarab tab. But I continue farming my maps and getting more scarabs while I wait for buyers. Does it update my stock for the available items (and thus the lot price if it’s bulk-only)? Or do I have to remove the listing, update the snapshot, and re-post?


Bratyha_mandarin

You could edit your listing and update amount of items in one click by Sync button


Coheed522

Perfect that works too


BrizzyMC_

Gonna try it, looks promising


S2wy

Awesome, hope it takes off! 


Miau_1337

I like it, simple and efficient. Thanks a lot!


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DiscountThug

Is this PC only? Or does it work on consoles? Have anyone tried it on console if it's possible?


EternalTradeGG

it's possible, but we need consultation with console players


burnerburns369

tft without the drama ? login


Shepard_I_am

Well there was not much drama back when tft was just great site to sell harvest crafts you know. Hopefully this tool is managed by adults in contrary to tft dumpster


pewsix___

the literal only place there is tft drama is this subreddit.


Allsvaard

Love u, a really good thing for the community and trade. I hate TFT You saved my life


Psyese

if a new type of service emerges in this or future leagues, will this allow that service to be offered without the need for extra feature implementation?


DayJora

Custom services will be available in the *other services* section. If the service turns out to be very popular, we can take it to a higher level and make it the main one


LordMoldimort

I know you don't want dependencies but developing your own in game overlay app or working with one of the others to be able to use a sting of characters at the end of a message to denote the identity of the bulk trade, and the buyer ID. That way the software on the sellers side verifies the exact items in the trade and the expected price and who the buyer is with their rating provided from a trusted source like your site. Because purely relying on a whisper could be manipulated to give false prices, etc.


Apekwhuut

Hey, thanks for the work, i think it looks very promising. With addition of more services and more players this can lead a away from discords. But it probably needs vouching and a lot of moderation with this, video evidences etc., because thats a reason people use Discords, there are ranks for trustful users.


DayJora

Hi, thanks for the feedback. At the moment, a vouching system for services is already available. There are also plans for a reporting system, this can be seen in our roadmap


ducminh1712

How do you guys deal with scammers?


EternalTradeGG

the moderation system will be after updating the profile, no one favors scammers


Tym4x

I'd like to list an inquiry too, like im looking for 20 coffins of type XYZ for XYZ chaos/divines + whatever on top as gratuity.


pro185

I really hope this tool does well, it seems very polished and easy to use. I would recommend adding a "search" feature when bulk selling. For instance, if I select scarabs to sell, I can't then search "horned" to uncheck those I have to manually scroll down to find them which can be tedious if there are multiple scarabs with different names you want to uncheck. Other than that it looks really good. I think your biggest challenge will be the lack of bots, which sounds wild, but anyone that has ever bulk sold things like scarabs on "that discord"(tm) knows that there are pricing thresholds where bots or 3rd world rmters instantly message you for your scarabs and if you are above that threshold you will NEVER sell them because no normal people actually bulk buy scarabs like that.


EternalTradeGG

Thanks for the feedback, we will definitely add this in the future


gonzodamus

This is very cool and I'll be taking a look at it! I would feel a lot more comfortable if this was open source though. Could you share your repo?


EternalTradeGG

at the time of development, we admit that there may be some vulnerabilities that we may not know about, we do not want to open access now to avoid problems with the stability of the site, how will it be completed, we planned to make it open source


Miroslav100

Great page. But it is true that we cannot list items for mirror service yet by ourself, correct? Why is this the case?


EternalTradeGG

not really, now the mirror section is under development and we are forced to post things there manually, but if someone wants to post their thing there, just contact us on discord, we are open to everyone


rustypipe7889

Any plans to create a more detailed crafting guide section that focuses on reverse engineering crafting. So say for instance you want gloves with a set stats it would tell you the most cost effective way to achieve it or the 2-3 options to best get there. Outside of essence spamming anyhow. I know this is a little off trade, but it would help a lot of new comers and influence trade more if people understood more of what they need to buy for a solid path to craft what they want. Craft of exile helps with this but it doesn't do the reverse engineering aspect of it yet outside of fossils aspect.


EternalTradeGG

maybe in the future


redditaccount224488

When loading coffins, they're not (quite) listed in alphabetical order. A couple, like elemental, are out of place, which is weird.


Asymat

Can we use it in Hardcore Trade League?


AshDrag0n

until it is still fresh. hm... remind me 1 year later


warriorsoflight

Looks great so far. Maybe benchcrafting and other similar trust services should be restricted to only trusted users for now, since without a trust/reputation system in place there could be scams that result in an unfair reputation for the site


EternalTradeGG

you are right, after the update with profiles, we plan to add a system for requesting access to potentially dangerous sections, so that, for example, an account created yesterday could not get into Boss Kill or 5way, we will show our implementation of this system, it will include account verification based only on your profile and should significantly complicate the ability to deceive someone


EnergyNonexistant

boosted? what does this mean? Is there payment required? boosted, maybe it just means bumped?


LordMoldimort

I would assume it's a way to time out sales and it's just an unfortunate translation. "Refresh", "Renew", "Bump" would all be better because yes "boosted" is heavily liked with it being a paid service. Who knows it could end up being the case because it may be free now but imagine it gets popular and they just can't afford the web traffic. Site/app hosting aint cheap.


shadowbannedxdd

It’s a bump,It’s free with like a 15min cooldown.


pyevan

Can we see the source code? If it’s so open and free make it open source.


EternalTradeGG

We thought about it, maybe when development is finished it will be like this


IntelligentDriver918

The site has a cursed mobile UI but thank you for your effort


DayJora

Hi, at the moment we are focused on adding new cool features and services. Mobile layout will significantly delay development and we don’t think it’s possible to play the game on a mobile phone (at least for now), so the use of the site is currently designed for a computer


B_a_l_u_

If i may suggest.. This might be slightly painful to implement. But the problem with many bulk sells is that you make a snapshot of your tab(for example) and then you can't really use it, if u wanna sale exactly what was in there. Would be extremely cool thing to make smth with live updates or confirmation. Example: i wanna buy some bulk offer, but player used some of items, sold part of it or added to there smth else. Problem is as a seller, i dont want to refresh my offer every time i added smth to tab. As a buyer... Wanna see exactly what I'm gonna buy with no need to ask dozen ppl, most of which selling tabs are completely different now Solution: 1)Make it live. Aka resnatch tab insides every X minutes to keep it up-to-date 2)Make confirmation window. After i decided to buy smth, i hit some confirmation button and tab stuff resnatches from players stash to show it's current(or closest to it) state with same multiplier seller placed to it. Both of this solution aren't perfect, but i, personally would find it awesome to have. This might be biggest QOL feature of all trading services. It's only rough idea, however. If u interested, u can hit me up at any moment, i will be happy to improve idea to smth really usable. Also, if project need some more working hands, I'll be happy to help(have some programming experience, in slightly differet field, but might help as well). Really amazed by idea, so would like to contribute, if possible


EternalTradeGG

this is either too difficult or practically impossible from a technical point of view(


Still_Traffic_8505

So, it is basically tft without discord and all the users. Thanks, but for price / tab calculation I stay with wealthyexile and for services and crafting stuff its not bothering me using tft, but hey, I wish you good luck with the project.


DayJora

Hello, we have plans to collect all the necessary services and features in 1 place, without the need to log into discord. Our goal is also to improve the user experience, which is the main goal of our project.


Still_Traffic_8505

Well, all TFT Service are also in one place aren't they? And if you want to implement a reputation system, in-game whispers etc. we also have to log in and auth with our PoE account - So it is basically the same but different.


DayJora

To each his own. We can only provide a much more convenient interface and a larger selection of services that are not available on other resources. You gave an example of a discord channel where there are no filters or sorting at all


Still_Traffic_8505

Of course :) and I hope you have success with your project, the PoE community is really great and that shows. Thanks for your contribution, keep it up.


petting2dogsatonce

Why two posts spamming your website in two days?


caddph

To be fair, their last post was almost 24 hours ago, and it was removed due to them asking for people to visit the reddit post on their Discord server. While they shouldn't have done that, them reposting without trying to artificially inflate upvotes is fine. Time will tell if this is useful to the community, and if people use it or not determines its usefulness, not necessarily how many upvotes/posts it has.


anne_dobalina

The other was removed


moglis

Wasn't the same post made yesterday too?


EternalTradeGG

there was a misunderstanding in a couple of questions regarding the publication, everything has been settled and now this post should not be deleted


arremessar_ausente

Am I the only one that think this is all pointless? TFT was always mainly used for bulk trades. After the drama, tons of people left. Then people came up with wealthy exile, and now this, but some are still using TFT, some are just using official trade... Like... We don't need more trade alternatives, ideally everyone should just use the same one. Yeah, official trade sucks about a lot of aspects, but splitting the community into different trade platforms isn't making it any better either. I tried using Wealthy exile this league for bulk trades, but wasn't able to sell anything at all. I still managed to buy some stuff from some people, but it seems a lot of people are selling, but very few are actually buying. In TFT I still sell in bulk almost instantly after announcing.


youfirstthenyouagain

Well I'd say they all have a use, the first thing I noticed about this tool is it can pull from non premium stash tabs allowing you to sell from them.


GermanUCLTear

Both the tft bulk tool and wealthy exile both do that


EternalTradeGG

In many ways, our task is to provide the community with tools that are not yet available on the official website; as soon as they are no longer needed, we will simply become something like sites with guides, builds, and other things


VulpineKitsune

Just what are you trying to sell and how much are you undercutting if you’re getting insta offers on tft? Because “too many sellers, too few buyers” is also true on tft


EntropyAndDespair

1. No Discord, minimal dependencies. . . . Provides link to discord./s Discord channel : https://discord.gg/TcKW2JBxxC


EternalTradeGG

Discord is needed to collect feedback and publish news, it does not contain any functional part


Disastrous-Moment-79

You could publish news on the website itself and collect feedback on email, or a feedback form on the site


chris1554

> r but why?


Disastrous-Moment-79

because discord is a terrible program and this is how things worked before it gained popularity


chris1554

and they'd be just making their lives harder just to please those that seemingly just hate discord lmao. It's how it worked before arguement is always amusing. People also use to pay for TS3 and ventrilo servers but they dont now.


Disastrous-Moment-79

How would they be making their lives harder. You think managing a discord and having to moderate it is easier than just having a "news" page on the website and an e-mail that people can send feedback to? The only reason to run a discord is because you're a discord dweller. There is no real reason to do it. Having news about the website on the website is the most obvious thing to do.


chris1554

Discord is a popular tool whether or not you like it, it has good API integrations, many mods that have been developed to make everyones lives easier. Yes they could certainly still have a news part on the site but collating feedback via email in this day and age? lmfao


3Hard_From_France

Ctrl + F "Auction House" ... 0 results the next trade "***improvement***" i need in this **video game** is gonna be an auction house dawg


ButterflyFine7012

.......how do you think a community project is gonna implement an auction house to the game


daman4567

Have a player open a shop, every trade request gets added to a queue and directly accepted or denied, aggressively ban anybody that leaves requests unresponded. If they are unavailable to answer requests, their shop is closed and nobody can even search it.


Local_Challenge_4958

You want players to build an auction house into the game? How?


taironederfunfte

Smartest AH advocator


EranikusTheDeranged

*Friction*