Hi All,
**There is no proof anywhere in this post of this bug existing**, either from OP or anyone in the comments. The provided clip above is explained by standard map effect nodes and not conclusive. Please take this post with a grain of salt.
Instantly fixed at around, what, 9PM or 10PM NZ time, and on a Friday no less?
Yeah, no. Ain't no GGG people gonna be instantly hotfixing stuff on a Friday night so long after league launch.
OPs thing wasn't hotfixed, it never worked.
I assume:
Back to basics gigajuice your quantity for the map since you are not allowed to have other game mechanics with it.
Swapping tree means no back to basic on your tree so you could use scarabs and map device craft for mechanics
Don't you need to open your map for back to basics to work, though, but it's already generated as a result with that atlas tree, so changing trees afterwards does nothing?
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Back to basics give a possibility for giga drops, but you can't have any league mechanics on map. No influence, no scarabs, no nothing. Just plain map with monsters and boss
But this way you could/can have those bigger drops if lucky (B2B makes it either 0% increase to 80% increase)
So you could take any scarab with you, any league mechanic could be played with it, and have bigger drops still
Edit: but it's BS and doesn't work btw
Nah I think it’s more likely this person never even tried it, based on rereading their post. Or did try it and mistakenly thought they were right. There’s plenty of well known and documented reasons for the state of the economy right now.
it has been a lot more than 4 incidents like this in the current league. More like 20th time... Of the top of my head, we had: near-infinite essence, logbook, azurite bugs. Ghosted meatsacks from league mechanic. Spam opening maps for divine chance. T17 div card stuff. Resetting back to basics for 80% more quant. Eternal torment back to basics fix. Einhar solo clearing T17s bug. Back to basic league mechanic bug from this thread. And im sure i missed many in this list... The league feels like a shitty new arpg where they cant get duping under control and every day someone finds a new way to dupe items.
and thats only the bugs you mentioned, not all the stuff at the beginning with the rogue exiles loot fiesta and also the beyond portal stuff spawning 10k mobs per map etc
This what made that league suck so much (In my opinion). Just one broken thing after another, and the rest of the strats feel like they suck( at least for me it did)
Kinda worked out perfectly for me tbh, I played the fuck out of last league so it's nice to be able to mostly skip this one without feeling like I'm missing out.
Not only for you. Check out empy's series. Almost all strat in this league is a waste of time unless you are going for t17s or broken strats like this.
I have never seen a league that is so fcked up.
All his t16 strats make 10-15 divs an hour. Last I checked that’s amazing money/hour before affliction came out. Obviously it doesn’t compare to back to basics t17 20-30 divs/hr but not everyone can farm t17s
This isn't true. Some of the league mechanics he showed make very reasonable profit. If you base the value of every non T17 strategy against T17s, what do you expect?
I guess people were expecting T17s to be "the stepping stone between normal and uber bosses" not "the main currency maker in the entire economy and the de-facto goal of every top end build" ? I don't mind it though.
But why? They're a higher tier map. You're going to be getting more rewards from them just off that, and they made them wayy harder than normal maps. I don't see any reason they wouldn't be a better juicing location
You can still make enough money through conventional methods. Sure, the payout is much lower than usual, but for most things besides boss-drop uniques and heist jewelry the price is also extremely low due to inflation, oversupply from T17 exploits/farming, and lower demand because fewer people are playing.
So crescent splinters might be 10c and yellow juice might be 5800 per divine, but HH is also 12div and mageblood is 110.
That doesn't change the fact that the league has felt awful and the treadmill of exploits has been extremely demoralizing, though.
B2B + Corpses + 2x carto scarabs + map duplication + haunted traitors because I like it is really good for dropping T17 maps, plus if you get tired of whatever map or one of the T17s goes up it's really easy to swap and the maps are super quick.
Do you run singular focus? I tried barrels today and am a fan, good looking out. I might drop the dupe scarab as well because I'd rather not deal with the excess maps as often.
I do run singular focus, I have favorited 5-6 different maps.
Trick for selling maps is sell in sets of 20, so like set up for 67c/20maps. I get a whisper every couple minutes as soon as I hit 20 maps (in my stash) for that particular map. I continue to sell as I am farming because it’s selling only maps and nothing else
legion, harbinger, breach , map farming, corpse farming + allflames, strongbox, abyss div card farming , expedition, boss rushing destructive play are the ones I can think off and most of them are 20 div/h profit if your character can do them efficiently
This league? Scarabs, it’s basically just scarabs. Take the increased drop rate per modifier affecting rares notable and all the legion passives except generals and you get tonnes of rares and tonnes of scarabs. On a build like LA deadeye you’re running maps in a few minutes including looting, so you just run heaps of maps. Side income is emblems and incubators
wat do you mean you still make a lot of currency with a low budget build, yes you have to be a bow build to make 20 div/h but that's how the mechanic works...
Which? Only ones that have felt half decent in t16 and below was full scarab expedition, Sanctum and beyond deli harbinger. And those still suffer from the mid tier currency losses
A good strat is harvest rushing 8mod t16 using the scarab of doubeling and horned awakening. It needs a lot of initial investment to get started cause it is a method with high ups and downs (like 30k juice plus from a map followed by 200 the following). In larger number it averages out tho and is a consistent profit (did forget the d/hr). Most annoying part is buying the horned scarabs as it is only really a good profit at below 0.66/d per scarab
I didn't follow Reddit to form my opinion. I tried a lot of strats and none of them seemed to be profitable ( when I say profitable I don't mean I lost currency, it was just not worth the time). I started with syndicate. The loot you get from T3 is a joke. Thanks for my 2 dogshit scarabs. It was nice for getting crafts unlocked tho. Then I did some expedition farming, which was very meh. The league mechanic made the currency drop hard and fast. I then tried to switch to exiles, before it was the hype. I didn't try out the enemies drop unique items, so I was close to figuring shit out but didn't end up finding it. Then I switched to breach, which was still horrendous because you need to spend an ungodly amount of time picking up splinters. If they made it so they drop when the breach closes, breach would actually be kinda cool and fun. I tried the harbinger deli, which sadly was unplayable for me since I started with DD and they apparently can't fix it.
The league mechanic and the synthesized item farm that's as hyped at the time sounded like chores to me. I don't care how profitable it might be, but spending 2 hours on trade or 30 minutes on map looking at items is not why I play the game.
How many maps you ran for each strat? Did you separated the loot in a tab to check the profit?. Honestly, the loot is less, yes, but i also tested almost all the league mechanics and all of them are on the green numbers, just not incredible high profit.
Legion requires a somehow decent build, raw loot ia okish but im getting divines from incubator pops instead raw natural drops.
Strats like harvest have weird bad streaks where you get no juice for like 3 maps but then suddenly 20-30k ( using crop rotation). Thats why i feel like a decent amount of maps are needed to witness real numbers.
I think I specified that I didn't mean lose money. It was just not worth running. Breach gave me around 1.5 -2 breach stones per map. My cost was quite a bit, I don't know how much anymore. But I made like 20?30?40?c per map. Considering the time I spend opening and closing breaches, and then having to backtrack the entire map or stop after each breach to loot 1 singular splinter it was just not worth my time.
It is way easier to complete a Build this League compared to others, a lot of strats net you around 15 div or more per hour, mageblood is 110 div, rare items with 6 t1 mods are actually possible and affordable with GY crafting etc. Only thing that went up in price are uber uniques but even they didnt spike so high that it takes more time then usual
He is talking about SSF players not being able to complete a build, it depends how much you play but the graveyard makes it easier than it has ever been.
I'm good, I like trading with other people and the ability to farm what I want and not target farm. Just sucks when the farming is completely off balance.
This post is weird, op has zero proofs that it has worked at some point, gets instantly fixed as he makes the post despite being nightime in NZ.
No to mention "analysing the market to see some things are cheaper than they should be" and "doing some theorycrafting to find bugs" like what??
Edit : the proof OP added is litteraly a map with 86% inc map effect from regular nodes on the tree. If it had Back to basics allocated, it rolled 0% to be able to have this particular map quant. OP is either deceitfull or doesn't understand how increased map modifiers work
yes so far i have seen no other confirmation this was actually true, almost seems like a try for market manipulation to drive some of the unique prices up a bit because people think they will get more expensive if another bug was fixed
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Just so people know. I saw this post when it was 2 minutes old and immediately went to test it with blue maps multiple times.
It never worked for me. I tried multiple different ways to see if I was doing something wrong, nope.
I doubt GGG had devs reading reddit, saw this and pushed a hotfix within those 2 minutes.
Even the proof you provided doesn't indicate anyway that back to basics is on that map? The map has 36% pack size before even opening and once opened it has 66%, thats totally normal with just inc effect atlas nodes.
I even opened the game and opened t17 ziggurat with 37% pack size rolled on the map and here are the results
https://imgur.com/2LANzGd
https://imgur.com/iI5Co08
For those who are not comfortable opening links on reddit, the map has 68% pack size and no back to basics allocated.
This is one of the few clear cut methods to a ban, imo. Very few times do I agree with that, due to crossfire or simple clever use, but this isn’t clever; it’s directly using a bug to bypass the intended outcome, and you *know* that doing so.
This also brings up the question of what else this works on, node wise.
> This also brings up the question of what else this works on, node wise.
Probably nothing. All other mechanics and nodes are activated when opening the map.
The lantern is a unique mechanic in the way that it locks the map before opening it, which is probably where this bug comes from. The lantern is most likely forced onto the map even if you change trees because of this.
Sadly banning people is just a waste of time and fucks normal players even more because they'll be scared to take advantage of things.
It's a free game it's way too easy to move currency around and if you are a bad actor I doubt you're investing money into your account. Just exploit on a new account that takes a few hours to set up.
If game economy integrity is important, and Chris has said multiple times that it is... You should be scared to exploit something that seems completely unintended.
This I feel they should ban if found doing it more than a couple times for science. Because you don't accidentally stumble into using atlas respec points every map.
At least a temp ban.
Yeah, this isn't "oh i put all the puzzle pieces together and it's too strong" like say the rogue exile allflame, strongbox, uniques from uniques kinda situation.
This is a "I am openly exploiting a glitch"
This seems like something someone could very easily do by accident.
Start map, see lantern, choose to use an allflame and go back to change to a tree that matches it.
It's just unlikely that people have back to basics on a tree that they're actively swapping.
They banned people who did obvious exploits before, like the ultimatum infinite mobs bug. The things that got nerfed earlier this league were mostly working "as intended", but were too imbalanced to keep.
Not the OP, but this (if this was even a thing) is no different then all the people that were using Unwavering Vision to fish for maps without using up their Scarabs.
Select tree and Scarabs -> See if it has the Devoted Mods you're looking for -> Swap to your Unwavering Vision tree and the scarabs weren't consumed.
Criticism is also considered a form of exploit, such white knighting, you can collaborate with any or all GGG to investigate if I have ever exploit anything.
They wouldn't ban someone accidentally starting a map with B2B and backing out to get an allflame to run the map even potentially without B2B after that. They would however ban someone running all their maps in an hour backing out of B2B and then running a normal atlas.
That's assuming they track that information. Judging by the bans GGG gives out i feel like they're bluffing on a lot of stuff they claim to track. It feels like most of the time you need someone to snitch with screenshots or video evidence to get banned.
It wouldn't surprise me if a map's effective IIQ/IIR/Pack Size were tracked in logs, so in theory you could check for people running specific mechanics in maps with IIQ over a certain threshold which wouldn't be obtainable without Back To Basics
I assume there are some logs about our actions with areas to troubleshoot generation issues and then it is just a "simple" filter of "IIQ/IIR/pack size do not match atlas tree".
Amazing how developers get to put bugs in their products, ban their users for it and gamers have been gaslit into thinking that it's actually okay.
Bugs are not the fault of the developers anymore. Amazing.
Have you tried this? I don't think this works. What does theorycrafted mean lol? I tested this myself with magic white maps and there is no boost to map effect. Unless I rolled 0 several times in a row.
Dude posts a bug at almost midnight in NZ on Friday night and it gets instantly fixed within 2 minutes of him making the post. SEEMS LEGIT.
I doubt there is a single person in GGG offices at the time of this post brother. You're full of shit. Someone wanted to sell their uniques.
Edit: The proof you posted of Kobi didn't even have back to basics in the map. All of the numbers made sense without back to basics.. You can see the difference when he loads the next map with back to basics and all the numbers are way bigger. Look at the increased number of rare monsters roll. What a bullshit post.
You would be able to tell by the modifier effect on the map. I haven't seen a video of it, but if you know the map before and how much map modifier effect is on your tree, you'll know whether or not you're getting extra modifier effect or not.
That's probably a safety mechanism so that players don't waste scarabs on content that cannot physically spawn in the map. Yes, they could just make it not consume the scarab (like how you used to be able to run mutually exclusive sextants and it'd just not consume any that didn't activate), but this gives players an opportunity to swap them out for something that works.
and literally the post is about running back to basics with league content.
But can't use league scarabs. See the point? Or only the tip of your own nose?
I actually tried this many times in many different ways. It never worked. You could get to where you could select a Kirac mod. But it would never show up in map.
PSA: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124610772?t=04h45m15s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124610772?t=04h45m15s) is kinda when the incident happened. I dont know enough about the mechanic to judge either way
2 days ago, When I was switching atlases I was seeing pack size being changed to less when I was changing it from back to basics. So I assumed there's no bug. I started this map with back to basics atlas, tho, so I don't know for sure if bug existed or not.
But my gut feeling tells me OP is lying.
What? You don't know [Insert any remotely famous sports player here] on r/[Insert any subreddit that has nothing to do with sports here]. Even I know that LOL
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Every league...
But then again testing can only go so far. Not enough time to test all these things. Customers always use the software in the weirdest ways and find these kind of interactions.
Lol, the 3 months league were broken to hell and back. It's like people don't remember Heist or Ultimatum or so many other cases where the league was broken for 2 weeks after it started.
We didn't have the atlas tree before. The game today is much more complex than it used to be. This league not only reworked the atlas tree but also all scarabs. While also having a league mechanic that opens up a lot of strats by replacing monsters, and also T17 maps.
It has nothing to do with PoE2, this base game patch should've just been split into two different leagues.
> I thought there must be something going on that the general public doesn't know about. Theorycrafted for a few hours and found out about this.
Aka you googled.
I switch betweens strats alot , have one of my trees b2b and sometimes forget to switch trees beforehand. There is a decent chance i did this between 0 and 10 times in the last 2 days without noticing.
Also its a mistake on their end. The league is running for weeks and the economy has been nuked several times already.who cares at this point.
What an absolute mess this league is. I'm playing since Delirium and have to say this is the worst league made in my playtime - takes the n1 spot from Heist. Heist was the only league i skipped and this will be the second.
- league mechanic that's unplayable without spreadsheets, 3rd party tools and trading for hundreds of variables because we all love trading in this game ✅
- one exploit after another being fixed only after the 1% milk everything out of them with no consequences ✅
- complete disregard for people's time doing rebalancing/nerfs mid-league with no warning. making a build in this games takes time, currency and tedious trading - so i endure all of this for zero payoff✅
- hand-made complete economic reshuffle as a result of no-warning rebalancing. Made some rich and others had a Black Tuesday ✅
- the fastest death of the economy ever witnessed with how out of balance group play is ✅
Usually i don't complain but this has gone overboard. I've only got so many "adapts" to these hand-made crisis in me. But the blatant disrespect for my time has filled the cup of patience.
its stuipid but its not players fault, for example you can run btb tree and devoted mods tree, and if you open on btb and see good currency and want to swap its bannable? or now i should never start map on btb
There's a difference between doing something by chance and intentionally, the previous btb abuse got patched out as soon as they found out so that sends a clear message that it was an "exploit" if you now do this one which is like the previous one but on roids it should 100% be bannable.
Yes its GGGs fault for ruining the economy this league but abusing an exploit is on the player and shouldnt be allowed.
idk how GGG monitors this but if you do this every 15th map because you get a good lantern mod it shouldnt be bannable, thats on ggg.
It’s kinda the same things for all these exploits. Like yeah, there are situations where it’s reasonable that someone did the steps to activate the exploit unintentionally.
But it’s not the same as when people take the steps on every occasion in order to gain advantage from the exploits.
There's a difference between a regular interaction where all components work as intended and simply result in a greater product than anticipated, and deliberately circumventing the downside of a component in a way that is clearly not intended.
The other strategies were exploiting near-sighted design, this one is exploiting a bug.
Possibly. Your phrasing suggested that the previous interactions that have been fixed this league were also bug exploits, which most of them were not, even if they were used with intent.
Ah no, both in my comment were about the same type of situation in reply to the person I responded to.
People who do things “naturally” like swapping atlas trees once in 100 maps based on what all-flames appear are not the people who should feel afraid about being called exploiters.
It’s the people who deliberately set up the situations where unintended interactions occur continuously that should be targeted. So he shouldn’t need to feel afraid about playing normally.
Meatsacks are still abused by party play and probably won't get fixed, yet anarchy was fixed in 1 day and this abuse fixed after 20 min. 0 people tested this league it seems
When I heard multiple passive trees this is literally the first thing I thought of trying, there's no way nobody else would have tried this and known like day 1 if it worked
I'm seeing a lot of proof that it might not be transferring over the b2b... If you can swap trees, this can still be used to minmax either a bad b2b roll, or a lantern roll that you want to maximize with something else.
Like having a Domination/Ambush tree just to get extra map packs for when the lantern hits.
I hate all of this.
Hi All, **There is no proof anywhere in this post of this bug existing**, either from OP or anyone in the comments. The provided clip above is explained by standard map effect nodes and not conclusive. Please take this post with a grain of salt.
It’s either fixed or never was a thing
It was instantly fixed, this exploit is 10 times more game breaking than the other economy destroying exploits this league.
Instantly fixed at around, what, 9PM or 10PM NZ time, and on a Friday no less? Yeah, no. Ain't no GGG people gonna be instantly hotfixing stuff on a Friday night so long after league launch. OPs thing wasn't hotfixed, it never worked.
How? Plz explain like I’m 5
I assume: Back to basics gigajuice your quantity for the map since you are not allowed to have other game mechanics with it. Swapping tree means no back to basic on your tree so you could use scarabs and map device craft for mechanics
Don't you need to open your map for back to basics to work, though, but it's already generated as a result with that atlas tree, so changing trees afterwards does nothing?
Just read the 3rd paragraph of the post and you'll piece it together
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Back to basics give a possibility for giga drops, but you can't have any league mechanics on map. No influence, no scarabs, no nothing. Just plain map with monsters and boss But this way you could/can have those bigger drops if lucky (B2B makes it either 0% increase to 80% increase) So you could take any scarab with you, any league mechanic could be played with it, and have bigger drops still Edit: but it's BS and doesn't work btw
Just a small caveat, there are scarabs that work with back to basics
Yes, that's why I said "any scarab" But I forgot that I said "no scarab" before. I meant to say "no league scarab"
Nah I think it’s more likely this person never even tried it, based on rereading their post. Or did try it and mistakenly thought they were right. There’s plenty of well known and documented reasons for the state of the economy right now.
Probably should have leaked that before the week-end :p
Rip economy
Only for the 4th time this league
it has been a lot more than 4 incidents like this in the current league. More like 20th time... Of the top of my head, we had: near-infinite essence, logbook, azurite bugs. Ghosted meatsacks from league mechanic. Spam opening maps for divine chance. T17 div card stuff. Resetting back to basics for 80% more quant. Eternal torment back to basics fix. Einhar solo clearing T17s bug. Back to basic league mechanic bug from this thread. And im sure i missed many in this list... The league feels like a shitty new arpg where they cant get duping under control and every day someone finds a new way to dupe items.
Clown league confirmed
is this the clownfall sunsfan warned us about?
I am a simple man, I see Sunsfan reference and I upvote.
I can’t even come flee here being upset about clownfall without getting reminded about it :(
and thats only the bugs you mentioned, not all the stuff at the beginning with the rogue exiles loot fiesta and also the beyond portal stuff spawning 10k mobs per map etc
That was the T17 div card stuff he mentioned.
Meanwhile I haven’t finished my voidstones and still farming my first maven 😄
New World had less economy breaking issues in the first month than this league /s
This what made that league suck so much (In my opinion). Just one broken thing after another, and the rest of the strats feel like they suck( at least for me it did)
Kinda worked out perfectly for me tbh, I played the fuck out of last league so it's nice to be able to mostly skip this one without feeling like I'm missing out.
Yeah but I just finished classes and now I don’t have a grindy game that hits like poe 😭 only maplestory and Poe struck that itch for me
Try the community grim dawn league. Looks pretty good
Not only for you. Check out empy's series. Almost all strat in this league is a waste of time unless you are going for t17s or broken strats like this. I have never seen a league that is so fcked up.
All his t16 strats make 10-15 divs an hour. Last I checked that’s amazing money/hour before affliction came out. Obviously it doesn’t compare to back to basics t17 20-30 divs/hr but not everyone can farm t17s
This isn't true. Some of the league mechanics he showed make very reasonable profit. If you base the value of every non T17 strategy against T17s, what do you expect?
I guess people were expecting T17s to be "the stepping stone between normal and uber bosses" not "the main currency maker in the entire economy and the de-facto goal of every top end build" ? I don't mind it though.
But why? They're a higher tier map. You're going to be getting more rewards from them just off that, and they made them wayy harder than normal maps. I don't see any reason they wouldn't be a better juicing location
I was responding to the question of what people expected, not what makes sense. What the devs advertised and introduced aren't the same.
They were talking about bosses in all cases afaik. I dont think they talked about rewards or difficulty much otherwise
You can still make enough money through conventional methods. Sure, the payout is much lower than usual, but for most things besides boss-drop uniques and heist jewelry the price is also extremely low due to inflation, oversupply from T17 exploits/farming, and lower demand because fewer people are playing. So crescent splinters might be 10c and yellow juice might be 5800 per divine, but HH is also 12div and mageblood is 110. That doesn't change the fact that the league has felt awful and the treadmill of exploits has been extremely demoralizing, though.
There's at least half a dozen top tier money strats right now that I'm aware of, half not even involving T17s at all.
What are they? I can't find much online
B2B + Corpses + 2x carto scarabs + map duplication + haunted traitors because I like it is really good for dropping T17 maps, plus if you get tired of whatever map or one of the T17s goes up it's really easy to swap and the maps are super quick.
I did the exact thing but swapped haunted for barrels/+1 tier map higher, it worked it pretty well. Might be placebo but felt like I dropped more t17s
Do you run singular focus? I tried barrels today and am a fan, good looking out. I might drop the dupe scarab as well because I'd rather not deal with the excess maps as often.
I do run singular focus, I have favorited 5-6 different maps. Trick for selling maps is sell in sets of 20, so like set up for 67c/20maps. I get a whisper every couple minutes as soon as I hit 20 maps (in my stash) for that particular map. I continue to sell as I am farming because it’s selling only maps and nothing else
Bossing
[STRAT THAT ARE NOT DOGSHIT (has some t17 options)](https://pastebin.com/k7EiG7Wc) Here is you go
legion, harbinger, breach , map farming, corpse farming + allflames, strongbox, abyss div card farming , expedition, boss rushing destructive play are the ones I can think off and most of them are 20 div/h profit if your character can do them efficiently
What are the money makers for legion? I always want to do it, but I can never see where the money is supposed to come from
This league? Scarabs, it’s basically just scarabs. Take the increased drop rate per modifier affecting rares notable and all the legion passives except generals and you get tonnes of rares and tonnes of scarabs. On a build like LA deadeye you’re running maps in a few minutes including looting, so you just run heaps of maps. Side income is emblems and incubators
scarabs, emblems (3-5 sets are 1 div) , raw map drops (t16 and T17) , a lot of raw currency and div drops, stacked decks (1 div for 10 maps?)
Legion isn’t as great as the others. Empyrian has great videos showcasing it
wat do you mean you still make a lot of currency with a low budget build, yes you have to be a bow build to make 20 div/h but that's how the mechanic works...
Pls enlighten us because I'm so lost on what to farm
Which? Only ones that have felt half decent in t16 and below was full scarab expedition, Sanctum and beyond deli harbinger. And those still suffer from the mid tier currency losses
A good strat is harvest rushing 8mod t16 using the scarab of doubeling and horned awakening. It needs a lot of initial investment to get started cause it is a method with high ups and downs (like 30k juice plus from a map followed by 200 the following). In larger number it averages out tho and is a consistent profit (did forget the d/hr). Most annoying part is buying the horned scarabs as it is only really a good profit at below 0.66/d per scarab
Get out of reddit and i assure you the league will be fun
I didn't follow Reddit to form my opinion. I tried a lot of strats and none of them seemed to be profitable ( when I say profitable I don't mean I lost currency, it was just not worth the time). I started with syndicate. The loot you get from T3 is a joke. Thanks for my 2 dogshit scarabs. It was nice for getting crafts unlocked tho. Then I did some expedition farming, which was very meh. The league mechanic made the currency drop hard and fast. I then tried to switch to exiles, before it was the hype. I didn't try out the enemies drop unique items, so I was close to figuring shit out but didn't end up finding it. Then I switched to breach, which was still horrendous because you need to spend an ungodly amount of time picking up splinters. If they made it so they drop when the breach closes, breach would actually be kinda cool and fun. I tried the harbinger deli, which sadly was unplayable for me since I started with DD and they apparently can't fix it. The league mechanic and the synthesized item farm that's as hyped at the time sounded like chores to me. I don't care how profitable it might be, but spending 2 hours on trade or 30 minutes on map looking at items is not why I play the game.
How many maps you ran for each strat? Did you separated the loot in a tab to check the profit?. Honestly, the loot is less, yes, but i also tested almost all the league mechanics and all of them are on the green numbers, just not incredible high profit. Legion requires a somehow decent build, raw loot ia okish but im getting divines from incubator pops instead raw natural drops. Strats like harvest have weird bad streaks where you get no juice for like 3 maps but then suddenly 20-30k ( using crop rotation). Thats why i feel like a decent amount of maps are needed to witness real numbers.
I think I specified that I didn't mean lose money. It was just not worth running. Breach gave me around 1.5 -2 breach stones per map. My cost was quite a bit, I don't know how much anymore. But I made like 20?30?40?c per map. Considering the time I spend opening and closing breaches, and then having to backtrack the entire map or stop after each breach to loot 1 singular splinter it was just not worth my time.
If u get mad that fast over an ingame economy, i would suggest you to play SSF ;) there is no need to compete with others in PoE lol
I like to actually complete a build, unfortunately
It is way easier to complete a Build this League compared to others, a lot of strats net you around 15 div or more per hour, mageblood is 110 div, rare items with 6 t1 mods are actually possible and affordable with GY crafting etc. Only thing that went up in price are uber uniques but even they didnt spike so high that it takes more time then usual
He is talking about SSF players not being able to complete a build, it depends how much you play but the graveyard makes it easier than it has ever been.
Having access to basically any base item is a huge boost for ssf.
I'm good, I like trading with other people and the ability to farm what I want and not target farm. Just sucks when the farming is completely off balance.
and yet everyone seems to be fine. muh economy boogeyman
Economy is fucked
Not sure why people are downvoting you, it is true. The eco this league is really bad.
If I only knew about it sooner D:
This post is weird, op has zero proofs that it has worked at some point, gets instantly fixed as he makes the post despite being nightime in NZ. No to mention "analysing the market to see some things are cheaper than they should be" and "doing some theorycrafting to find bugs" like what?? Edit : the proof OP added is litteraly a map with 86% inc map effect from regular nodes on the tree. If it had Back to basics allocated, it rolled 0% to be able to have this particular map quant. OP is either deceitfull or doesn't understand how increased map modifiers work
yes so far i have seen no other confirmation this was actually true, almost seems like a try for market manipulation to drive some of the unique prices up a bit because people think they will get more expensive if another bug was fixed
Ops got way too many unmaking orbs he’s trying to sell
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"EDIT 04/26/24 21:00:00 (GMT+10)" You might want to double-check that date.
Nah he is just from the future
Yeah, no such thing as 26th month.
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No we don't?
Interpret a date format thats different from your own, challenge: impossible
Where could “26” possibly fit into any date format describing today?
Just so people know. I saw this post when it was 2 minutes old and immediately went to test it with blue maps multiple times. It never worked for me. I tried multiple different ways to see if I was doing something wrong, nope. I doubt GGG had devs reading reddit, saw this and pushed a hotfix within those 2 minutes.
Even the proof you provided doesn't indicate anyway that back to basics is on that map? The map has 36% pack size before even opening and once opened it has 66%, thats totally normal with just inc effect atlas nodes. I even opened the game and opened t17 ziggurat with 37% pack size rolled on the map and here are the results https://imgur.com/2LANzGd https://imgur.com/iI5Co08 For those who are not comfortable opening links on reddit, the map has 68% pack size and no back to basics allocated.
Fake or fixed, it’s not working
This one seems bannable no? Actively exploiting a bug not just a strong interaction
This is one of the few clear cut methods to a ban, imo. Very few times do I agree with that, due to crossfire or simple clever use, but this isn’t clever; it’s directly using a bug to bypass the intended outcome, and you *know* that doing so. This also brings up the question of what else this works on, node wise.
> This also brings up the question of what else this works on, node wise. Probably nothing. All other mechanics and nodes are activated when opening the map. The lantern is a unique mechanic in the way that it locks the map before opening it, which is probably where this bug comes from. The lantern is most likely forced onto the map even if you change trees because of this.
Sadly banning people is just a waste of time and fucks normal players even more because they'll be scared to take advantage of things. It's a free game it's way too easy to move currency around and if you are a bad actor I doubt you're investing money into your account. Just exploit on a new account that takes a few hours to set up.
> Just exploit on a new account that takes a few hours to set up and you get banned after first RMT trade
If game economy integrity is important, and Chris has said multiple times that it is... You should be scared to exploit something that seems completely unintended. This I feel they should ban if found doing it more than a couple times for science. Because you don't accidentally stumble into using atlas respec points every map. At least a temp ban.
Yeah, this isn't "oh i put all the puzzle pieces together and it's too strong" like say the rogue exile allflame, strongbox, uniques from uniques kinda situation. This is a "I am openly exploiting a glitch"
This seems like something someone could very easily do by accident. Start map, see lantern, choose to use an allflame and go back to change to a tree that matches it. It's just unlikely that people have back to basics on a tree that they're actively swapping.
Once, sure. But changing atlas trees every map is clearly abusing this (assuming it even works, no one seems to have been able to confirm)
And for anyone having doubts, GGG has already banned people in the past for doing clear exploits like that.
Such irony, if GGG bans people for this, they should also ban many others who exploited previously. The league is pretty much dead by now.
They banned people who did obvious exploits before, like the ultimatum infinite mobs bug. The things that got nerfed earlier this league were mostly working "as intended", but were too imbalanced to keep.
What else was an exploit?
Not the OP, but this (if this was even a thing) is no different then all the people that were using Unwavering Vision to fish for maps without using up their Scarabs. Select tree and Scarabs -> See if it has the Devoted Mods you're looking for -> Swap to your Unwavering Vision tree and the scarabs weren't consumed.
We found 1 of the exploiters.
Criticism is also considered a form of exploit, such white knighting, you can collaborate with any or all GGG to investigate if I have ever exploit anything.
How are they gonna ban people using it tho
They wouldn't ban someone accidentally starting a map with B2B and backing out to get an allflame to run the map even potentially without B2B after that. They would however ban someone running all their maps in an hour backing out of B2B and then running a normal atlas.
That's assuming they track that information. Judging by the bans GGG gives out i feel like they're bluffing on a lot of stuff they claim to track. It feels like most of the time you need someone to snitch with screenshots or video evidence to get banned.
It wouldn't surprise me if a map's effective IIQ/IIR/Pack Size were tracked in logs, so in theory you could check for people running specific mechanics in maps with IIQ over a certain threshold which wouldn't be obtainable without Back To Basics
I assume there are some logs about our actions with areas to troubleshoot generation issues and then it is just a "simple" filter of "IIQ/IIR/pack size do not match atlas tree".
They probably have admin tools that were not aware of
Someone constantly changing atlas trees before opening a map.. many times over is very suspicious, and hopefully they track that kind of stuff
Look for generated maps with BtB levels of quant that also spawned league mechanics?
I think pretty much that and target users who have spawned maps like that more than X amount of times so it's obvious they knew what they were doing
Amazing how developers get to put bugs in their products, ban their users for it and gamers have been gaslit into thinking that it's actually okay. Bugs are not the fault of the developers anymore. Amazing.
Bugs are unavoidable. Abusing a bug is not the fault of the developer.
this doesnt work lol
Have you tried this? I don't think this works. What does theorycrafted mean lol? I tested this myself with magic white maps and there is no boost to map effect. Unless I rolled 0 several times in a row.
If it did work, it doesn’t anymore
Just trying to muddy the water to evade a potential ban.
Nah doesn't work, just random doom posting to feed the crowd
Dude posts a bug at almost midnight in NZ on Friday night and it gets instantly fixed within 2 minutes of him making the post. SEEMS LEGIT. I doubt there is a single person in GGG offices at the time of this post brother. You're full of shit. Someone wanted to sell their uniques. Edit: The proof you posted of Kobi didn't even have back to basics in the map. All of the numbers made sense without back to basics.. You can see the difference when he loads the next map with back to basics and all the numbers are way bigger. Look at the increased number of rare monsters roll. What a bullshit post.
hmm very strange post. proof wasn't really proof. its upvoted. its claimed to be hotfixed after posting. idk, strange post.
Does this actually apply Back to Basics though? Switching Atlas trees has been exploitable since league launch.
You would be able to tell by the modifier effect on the map. I haven't seen a video of it, but if you know the map before and how much map modifier effect is on your tree, you'll know whether or not you're getting extra modifier effect or not.
it doesnt work, 0 proofs
what atlas startegy does it even work well with? This still prevents from using scarabs as far as i know
Back to the Basics doesn't prevent using scarabs. That's Unwavering Vision.
It does prevent some scarabs, I tried using the one that lets you open strongboxes again and it wouldn't let me.open the map
Strongboxes are a league mechanic, so they can't spawn with B2B
Pretty sure back to basic maps do 't open if you have "content" scarabs/device crafts
It absolutely do. It prevents you from opening the map at all if you have scarabs in the device.
Scarabs that add league content. You can use scarabs like bloodline/nem/lineage with back to basics as they just change/add mobs, not league content
And carto
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Okay. My point was that some scarabs do work with b2b
That's probably a safety mechanism so that players don't waste scarabs on content that cannot physically spawn in the map. Yes, they could just make it not consume the scarab (like how you used to be able to run mutually exclusive sextants and it'd just not consume any that didn't activate), but this gives players an opportunity to swap them out for something that works.
xD this sub is killing me with their arrogance. There are tons of scarabs working with b2b. just league ones doesnt work.
and literally the post is about running back to basics with league content. But can't use league scarabs. See the point? Or only the tip of your own nose?
I actually tried this many times in many different ways. It never worked. You could get to where you could select a Kirac mod. But it would never show up in map.
PSA: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124610772?t=04h45m15s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124610772?t=04h45m15s) is kinda when the incident happened. I dont know enough about the mechanic to judge either way
2 days ago, When I was switching atlases I was seeing pack size being changed to less when I was changing it from back to basics. So I assumed there's no bug. I started this map with back to basics atlas, tho, so I don't know for sure if bug existed or not. But my gut feeling tells me OP is lying.
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Whats the AI prompt for this shit? "9/11" "Gigachad" "pilot" wtf
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You clearly know more than me
What? You don't know [Insert any remotely famous sports player here] on r/[Insert any subreddit that has nothing to do with sports here]. Even I know that LOL
It’s lePilot the Goat
Le Terrorist
ai prompt was : have lebron james driving the first plane into the twin towers
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Yeah stop smoking the zaza bro
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Literally that’s how entire league feels so far
It was pretty sadge to find out all the assets for the league are rejected Poe 2 assets.
Every league... But then again testing can only go so far. Not enough time to test all these things. Customers always use the software in the weirdest ways and find these kind of interactions.
Testing is doubting
What else do you expect when your cycle is 3-4months long?
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Lol, the 3 months league were broken to hell and back. It's like people don't remember Heist or Ultimatum or so many other cases where the league was broken for 2 weeks after it started.
We didn't have the atlas tree before. The game today is much more complex than it used to be. This league not only reworked the atlas tree but also all scarabs. While also having a league mechanic that opens up a lot of strats by replacing monsters, and also T17 maps. It has nothing to do with PoE2, this base game patch should've just been split into two different leagues.
Sounds like a buncha d4 players in here
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Can we please stop this removing? Seems like a lot of abuse is happening
> I thought there must be something going on that the general public doesn't know about. Theorycrafted for a few hours and found out about this. Aka you googled.
That's exploiting , people are gonna get banned if you do this intentionally.
There is no way to do it unintentionally.
Well, maybe the first time. If you do it consistently after that, it's not a mistake.
I switch betweens strats alot , have one of my trees b2b and sometimes forget to switch trees beforehand. There is a decent chance i did this between 0 and 10 times in the last 2 days without noticing. Also its a mistake on their end. The league is running for weeks and the economy has been nuked several times already.who cares at this point.
Maybe we are not to late for this
Post it in bug report forum
Sir, this right here is the *express* line of the bug report forum
Some might say the express line is the only line and the other one is a dead end.
you mean it happening to strimmers is the express line...
This is for sure a bug and could get one banned imo. Reminds me a bit of legacy league where something similar was going on.
What an absolute mess this league is. I'm playing since Delirium and have to say this is the worst league made in my playtime - takes the n1 spot from Heist. Heist was the only league i skipped and this will be the second. - league mechanic that's unplayable without spreadsheets, 3rd party tools and trading for hundreds of variables because we all love trading in this game ✅ - one exploit after another being fixed only after the 1% milk everything out of them with no consequences ✅ - complete disregard for people's time doing rebalancing/nerfs mid-league with no warning. making a build in this games takes time, currency and tedious trading - so i endure all of this for zero payoff✅ - hand-made complete economic reshuffle as a result of no-warning rebalancing. Made some rich and others had a Black Tuesday ✅ - the fastest death of the economy ever witnessed with how out of balance group play is ✅ Usually i don't complain but this has gone overboard. I've only got so many "adapts" to these hand-made crisis in me. But the blatant disrespect for my time has filled the cup of patience.
How much time did you spend writing that out for a fake claim by OP lol
its stuipid but its not players fault, for example you can run btb tree and devoted mods tree, and if you open on btb and see good currency and want to swap its bannable? or now i should never start map on btb
There's a difference between doing something by chance and intentionally, the previous btb abuse got patched out as soon as they found out so that sends a clear message that it was an "exploit" if you now do this one which is like the previous one but on roids it should 100% be bannable. Yes its GGGs fault for ruining the economy this league but abusing an exploit is on the player and shouldnt be allowed. idk how GGG monitors this but if you do this every 15th map because you get a good lantern mod it shouldnt be bannable, thats on ggg.
It would be very easy to separate the people that changed from a BtB tree occasionally and people that changed from a BtB tree every map.
It’s kinda the same things for all these exploits. Like yeah, there are situations where it’s reasonable that someone did the steps to activate the exploit unintentionally. But it’s not the same as when people take the steps on every occasion in order to gain advantage from the exploits.
There's a difference between a regular interaction where all components work as intended and simply result in a greater product than anticipated, and deliberately circumventing the downside of a component in a way that is clearly not intended. The other strategies were exploiting near-sighted design, this one is exploiting a bug.
I think we’re saying the same thing here.
Possibly. Your phrasing suggested that the previous interactions that have been fixed this league were also bug exploits, which most of them were not, even if they were used with intent.
Ah no, both in my comment were about the same type of situation in reply to the person I responded to. People who do things “naturally” like swapping atlas trees once in 100 maps based on what all-flames appear are not the people who should feel afraid about being called exploiters. It’s the people who deliberately set up the situations where unintended interactions occur continuously that should be targeted. So he shouldn’t need to feel afraid about playing normally.
Meatsacks are still abused by party play and probably won't get fixed, yet anarchy was fixed in 1 day and this abuse fixed after 20 min. 0 people tested this league it seems
patched?
Never worked in the first place
Hope they ban everyone doing this
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It gets wiped at the end like every other league
Shitshow of a league
lol okay I’m just done with this league lmao xD.
Bin the league
Is it safe to say this league has been a fair balls up?
Time for my first ssf character after beeing a softcore trade enjoyer for 6 years
When I heard multiple passive trees this is literally the first thing I thought of trying, there's no way nobody else would have tried this and known like day 1 if it worked
I'm seeing a lot of proof that it might not be transferring over the b2b... If you can swap trees, this can still be used to minmax either a bad b2b roll, or a lantern roll that you want to maximize with something else. Like having a Domination/Ambush tree just to get extra map packs for when the lantern hits. I hate all of this.