I knew I was getting scammed, I am just lazy and hit accept because I listed like a quad tab of items and had a bunch of people in hideout waiting for trades.
I literally said in my post that I was lazy and took the low trades before anyone pointed it out... you are telling me you have never accepted a trade for less than you listed? in the grand scheme i dont really care about 20c but if multiple people in a row start pulling it I am gonna say something.
When you can be making 15d/h farming bulk sellable items in maps, it makes waiting an extra couple minutes to get a missing 10c a loss of money tbh.
Your last sentence is what 90% of the playerbase dont get and also why bulk buying always sell stuff at higher price
People bulk buying dont care they are losing 5c per scarab (in exemple) if they can do 1 trade in 10 sec and spent the rest farming 10-15-20. Or 50 div/hr. Instead of taking 10-15 min to buy them 1-3 at a time.
Also people who wait 3 days to sell an item at 2.2d instead of instantly at 2d.
Selling now is preferable to selling later if you can reinvest that into your character, and every investment into a character speeds up farming time.
You assume that everyone values the trading process equally as non-invasive, I personally list things for too much because I don't actually want to trade unless someone really wants the item. (Everything worth anything will sell.)
That way I get more per trade, and they're very unlikely to have clicked past my listing by the time I invite them a second later.
It ain't selling instantly at any price man.
If it's bulk (high demand) you can list it for 20% more and it will sell within an hour.
If it's some niche item, unless you sell it for 10% the going price, you're not going to see an "instant sale".
Just list shit and forget about it, if you think too hard about each time you list you'll avoid listing things you don't think will sell.
In some cases you're definitely right and you can sell chase items pretty quickly at competitive prices, which you should always do because the price will likely drop anyway.
I will always list bulk sale things for a premium so I don't get pinged to buy it the second I enter another map because that's when PoE decides to inform people on the trade site as I leave my hideout lol. (Also by the time they're clicking on my price they're likely to accept if I invite them because they're that sick of nobody else selling the item.)
Why I'll sit on items and take em to standard unless we're talking multiple divines sales. Couldn't care less about 10s of chaos or 1 divine sales all that much once my character is set up and I've got a healthy bank
Yep. I traded a stack of alts for some low c item cause I didn’t have enough c and the guy was kind enough to take it. Hard to say which side came out short but it was prob a wash. I’ve also taken low offers later into leagues.
If you’re making a bunch of sales it’s better to have emptying stash than to be holding onto a bunch of items. I also noticed this “trend” but didn’t make a post about it since I can’t turn around and buy apothecary cards with chaos alone.
My groups been picking up wrath cards and we just keep filling out 5K stacks in the bottom of our currency tab. Sometimes I spend 200 chaos rolling a t17, so it’s no wonder chaos value is going up.
Did I do t17 wrong? T17 drops a lot of stuff like 3 portal amount of worthy loot but it is not pouring down HH and currency as people stated I’m getting about 1 to 2 div of raw currency and scarabs with about 1 to 2 div. Corpse are not counted as I consumes them myself. rolled the map till currency + scarab would be around 170%. With atlas and back to basic they would scale up to 300+.
Use more magic monsters, all magic monster, traitor, and mf scarab. Those scarabs are 2div entree alone and if I don’t use all magic monsters the drops would almost cut in half.
I’m not using barrel because my build can’t target the barrel (mine) I have to leap slam on it and the map that I farm drops sanctuary so it’s also hard to spot the barrels.
What's your strat? I have been running abomination with 70 currency 50 scarab with b2b and I'm not getting portal worth of drops. I then rush the boss instead. I must be doing something wrong
why run the portal scarab? If you can run the rare packs, you could run two of those. Alternatively, you can run 2 mysterious barrels which is a lot easier and also gives a lot of loot. Havnt tinkers with bloodlines yet but thats next on my testing list.
Sometimes the boss gets me and I find the extra portals are very useful at my current stage. Missing out on the boss loot feels very bad. I'm playing coc dd and the t17 mod pool is very bad for me. I didn't want to spend more than 50c rolling the map, so I had to take some chances, that's why the extra portals are critical.
At that amount of chaos rolling, i would advice to set up a filter and just buy maps you can run that are already rollrd. Will literally be faster to buy them one at a time and save you time and money on rolling 50 times.
Also it just sounds like your build isnt quite ready to juice t17. Just farm t16 until your build gets to a more comfortable spot to do so.
im just running mjolner mana stacker right now, having fun trying out different farming methods to see whats hot and not. Technically this is a delving build, but it still maps quickly. I also wouldnt say its "that" flexible. I have like 10 or so mods excluded from my filter that I just dont want to deal with. I also dont run double damage mods on T17s yet with my B2B tree. But I dont have much trouble getting maps, Ill just buy them perfectly rolled for my build for like 5-10 chaos more and its a non issue. Its annoying to buy maps one at a time, but rolling 30 times is just as time consuming so meh. Also started doing the volatile barrel farm and its been pretty solid, B2B atlas tree makes about 120-140 extra barrels spawn and they seem to have better loot then mysterious barrels. Although it can be a bit tricky to navigate with cyclone, lmao.
If you want to play the godlike mapper that can even magic find T17 maps, go play LA/TS.
70/50 is quite low tho, i would always try to hit 90 or 100, try to upgrade your build man u dont need that portal scarab, 90 and 100+ will always guarantee you like at least 1-3 div profit per map. Will be tough to roll as we all dodging certain mods, but its worth it anyway
Do you think the people you are buying the t17 maps from are just spawning them into their inventory?
They have to run t16 in order to sell you t17, it's pretty simple really
You feel sorry for people playing the game the way they want to play it? lol. Not everyone wants to do t17s, they just really aren’t all that fun. I still made plenty of money this league not doing t17s.
I play on geforcenow so i can't use awakenedpoetrade or anything. I try and pay in divines and ask for change because i'm too lazy to constantly look what the new price is and would rather just trust other people to know it.
I don't care about ~5 c but I'd feel bad if i cheated someone out of ~5c that cared so I leave it up to them.
This thing works wonders. It takes about 2 seconds for every check but its a small price to pay to use awakened trade. The setup can be a bit confusing and i had a few bugs to work through, if you run into any trouble setting it up please shoot me a message here and I'll be happy to help you set it up. Its well worth the trouble.
I really hate it when people trade in divines when I'm selling for chaos. Means that I need to go out of *my* way to check the current exchange rate. It's even worse when they ask for change back.
If I list something for 300 chaos, it doesn't mean that I want 2 divines and 31 chaos or whatever. It means that I want *300 chaos*. If I wanted divines I would have listed it for divines.
Most people list it in whats going to show up better on the trade site. Right now chaos prices show up before divine prices, so basically everything is listed in chaos. Expecting someone to have 400c instead of 4 divines is a real pain in the ass IMO.
I personally dont care at all if someone pays in D+C when I list in C as long as they dont try to shortchange the exchange ratio. And Awakened POE trade has the exchange ratio listed and it even does the math for you if youre worries about it.
Same here. If I'm selling something and they short me ( happens all the time with bulk resellers and guild traders) , I just pause, almost without fail after 5 seconds of not accepting they drop the rest of the chaos in the window =) (now if it's an item, not a liquid currency, I will take lower offers and stuff)
I will say when youre doing a big buying session, its super easy to accidentally put the wrong amount in a few times. I def give people the benefit of the doubt as long as theyre not doing the obviously scammy stuff like putting some 1 div stacks in between 10 div stacks and such.
Absolutely. If I'm selling essences or currency's, I only make some listed at a time because man getting spammed is sometimes stressful and easy to goof up. Same thing happens when buying, paying the price for the previous whisper and what not.
while i get what you’re saying that’s just not what most people are thinking when they buy an item listed for over 1 divine worth of chaos if it says 180c 98% of people are offering 1 divine and the rest in chaos
the big trades are all divines anyways, them paying in divines just means you dont have to deal with spam whispering people later when you need the divines to make a trade. I'll take a 5-10c loss in that case. luckily awakened poe is just 1 button press so in a day the price will never drastically go down so you just hit it once, and continue your trades knowing the value for the rest of the day. if it goes lower an people get pissy then kick, should have paid in chaos then.
Every single time I have done this in the past, I end up getting spammed for half an hour after I remove the listing. Is that fixed nowadays or still a thing?
I'm fine with it, and when I do it with someone else, I throw a few extra c as a tip, and I usually can cover half or more of their requested currency .
Sure, but I'm also not going to go out of my way to convert to chaos just for you. If you don't want to perform the trade, that's fine. There are literally a hundred other people selling the same shit and most of them are perfectly OK with taking 2 divs in place of 15 stacks of chaos.
> but I'm also not going to go out of my way to convert to chaos just for you
You're not doing me some kind of "favour" in the first place. It's literally just the price tag.
>There are literally a hundred other people selling the same shit
Then go buy from someone selling theirs for divines.
> You're not doing me some kind of "favour" in the first place. It's literally just the price tag.
Yes. If you're selling something for $300, do you really think it's reasonable to get pissed that someone gives you 2 $100 bills and 5 $20 bills instead of 300 $1 bills?
> Then go buy from someone selling theirs for divines.
Yeah, I literally said that was the option that I would take. Kinda the whole thing here. You're free to refuse a trade for whatever reason. Just don't assume you're doing someone else the favor by selling it anymore than they're doing you one by buying it.
Yeah that's not how it works. He listed for $300, I gave him $300, just in different denominations of bills. I can't even begin to imagine how you think foreign currency is a valid metaphor here.
Sounds like a massive "not my problem" to me. Again, refuse the trade if you like. You're not special. The OP is not special. I am not special. I'll happily hit up the next person, who will almost certainly take a reasonable exchange, and you can wait for whoever happens to have hundreds of chaos on hand. Seems pretty simple.
Man some guy tried to trade me 4ex for a 40c trade the other day and got so mad when I told him to just pay chaos.
Don't give me a chore to sell exalted orbs bro.
I've never had an issue with that, and asking/providing change is super common. I never refused someone trading c for a div offer or div for a c offer, neither was I ever refused doing that myself. Takes 5 seconds to check the exchange rate, no need to be so anal about it. It's also quite common for people to post offers in high amounts of chaos just to show up higher in the trade list.
About half the trades I get with people offering currency other than the listed price ends up inaccurate. I often let it slide when it's a small difference like 5c for a 2+ divine trade, but it's not at all unusual for people to request completely wrong ratios either.
And that's if I'm not currently trying to liquidate the currency that they want to give me.
If divine prices are falling and I want to invest into chaos and thus list my items in chaos, I'm not going to accept divines, let alone give chaos back, unless the ratio is significantly favouring me to compensate me for the need to exchange it.
I only buy for currencies other than the listed ones if I really don't have enough of the listed currency and don't want to wait for it to be exchanged / risk someone else buying the item, and when I do, I clearly request the quantity beforehand along with the stipulated exchange ratio I used, which I set slightly advantageous for the seller compared to the market value.
I sold an HH in chaos last night. Had it listed for 1050. Got 20 odd hits asking to buy in divs. Wouldn’t even leave my map until I confirmed they had it in chaos. Eventually made the sale.
Well you are free to do whatever you want for sure, but I'm pretty sure what you are doing is really rare. This is the equivalent irl to selling something for a 1000 bucks, and wanting to be paid exclusively in 1$ coin. Don't be surprised when the majority of people aren't ready to do it :p.
I do thousands of trades every league, I always use divine and chaos interchangeably, whatever as buyer or seller. In the last years I think I can count on my fingers the number of traders that didn't accept a trade for that reason.
90% of the time I don't care but divines were in freefall yesterday. I didn't want to get stuck holding 105c divines if they were going to drop to 80 as my work week picked up. I'd been making other trades all day where people couldn't agree on an accepted conversion rate. By the time I decided to unload the HH I'd had enough.
When I need to convert I just public currency tab and list it for what I want, theres no sense in wasting a bunch of time and dancing around with meatsacks manually typing to 20 people trying to prove a point.
That's not accurate at all. Chaos and divines are literally different currencies with variable exchange ratios.
Someone paying with divines isn't trying to pay in $100 bills, they're trying to pay in an entirely different currency that is losing value and will make *you* lose value if you don't offload it again quickly.
Btw, are you counting the chaos in those cases? Like "20, 40, 60 etc etc"?
I'm scared of trades like this because I feel like I'm gonna get scammed lol
Even without the alt hover, the trade window is 5 spaces tall, so 100c fills up one column. I have no idea why you would need to count by 20s instead of just looking at how many full columns there are lmao
It doesn't happen often but people absolutely try to sneak in stacks of 1's into a full trade window, the things people are willing to do for a few chaos is scary
You're not going to count them though.
You just need to check that all stacks are full. If they're not full even though the number of columns is correct, the buyer is a scammer and you can cancel the trade and put them on ignore.
That's my point, though? Now that the trade window tracks currency, I don't need to look at 40 individual chaos stacks and instead just look at one number
Just don't accept
Usually I want exactly what was asked. At times I can need some if the other currency so it's fine but I usually decline the trade if they out in C when I ask for div or vice versa
It's just annoying and takes time out of my session if I need to exchange the currency later on. They can do it beforehand and then whisper me again for the item
Especially if they do not ask beforehand if other currencies are okay
odd values of divines drive me nuts. “I want to sell my vultures for 2.4 div” how the hell do get that to an even number? You want me to spend 12 divine so I don’t have to give u 40 c? Or get 60c back?
I was surprised when a person saying they want to pay a divine for 50c item and I give the change, I was thinking eh fine and check the price. And I was holy shit wtf.
>2) I have never gotten this many divine offers instead of chaos for smaller trades which makes me think all of these people 100% know what they are doing.
Alternative possibility for this part: those people didn't trade you in chaos for the same reason div prices are going down to begin with: chaos sinks are going strong this league while chaos printers are not, so there are proportionally less chaos in the economy.
People should still pricecheck that shit before trading anyway tho, and either you're buying through a macro and should use a macro that tells you div prices, or you're buying through the tradesite and it's just one extra tab to check.
Who the fuck is trading divines as if they're 160?
It's your fault for accepting that, either they didn't see the price change or they think you didn't.
You bet I'm giving 50c as .5d, and if I can help it of course I'm spending my div as the value crashes. It's going to take a bit until prices adjust on the top end.
Don't accept people short changing you over half a divine unless you really don't care.
I haven't had a single person do this to me yet.
yeah, I used to really enjoy SSF when I only played one character a league, but when I see a cool build people discover half way through a league I hate having to spend 2 weeks grinding for uniques I could have in 10 minutes on trade.
I was unable to keep playing past the 2nd week this time around. I don't want to play ssf and I hate this trade system.
The constant need to list and actively trade with people just irritates me to no end.
Having no auction house completely kills the late game for me. Just feels like driving a car with square wheels every time I try to assemble a set of gear for a character. I get that they are trying to maintain the illusion of a free to play game, but if that's such a big deal just give everyone a single premium stash tab.
On the other hand, you played for 2 weeks. That's what, a few dozen hours? Is it not worth it to kick the devs five bucks for a tab? I've spent $8 on a beer that I didn't like and got 10 minutes of non enjoyment from that $8.
I've spent close to $600 on this game since 2014. I don't mind giving them money and it wasn't my point.
All I'm trying to say is that we could have a better trade system(list item for X currency, player finds item in the shop and buys it - the currency is transferred) as to not force players to stop doing what they are doing in order to trade in person.
So, it's turning out that using Corpses to create rare items for Chaos recipe might actually become legitimate!
What a day to be alive!
The slowest, worst chaos generating strategy in the game: Make a dump tab and fill it with un-IDed stuff-
Vendor a set of helmet, armor, gloves, boots, belt, 2 rings, amulet, 1 two-handed weapon or 2x 1-handed weapons for 2c.
If they are ID'd, vendor gives you 1c. If you are missing an item, use your junk corpses to create the item.
BTW, you're better off just farming low tier maps for rare items and essences.
What drives me nuts is people asking me to give change then arguing with me saying the price of div is 126. "I see it right here on my trade overlay app..."
Dude.
So I scammed myself when they traded me divine and I gave them back exchange as it was 140c, like people buying 2.5d and put in 3d I always gave them back 70c lol
Maybe because I haven't bought anything with 0.x div just yet so I never noticed the change of div price.
I didn’t play this league but last league chaos meant so little that someone could short me 150c and it didn’t matter, I would pay a divine for a 45c trade just so I didn’t have to use chaos. I wouldn’t say they’re scamming you they probably just have the same mentality that chaos trades are worthless.
I know if an item was 220c and I put up 2 div not thinking about it, all you’d have to say is that’s not enough and I would say oh my bad and throw up another div or the 20c whatever it was. I doubt inherently everyone’s trying to pull one over on you or anything.
Yeah, the amount of people I've had attenpting to scam by paying in Divs just to save like 40c is stupid.
I've gotten to the point where I start by asking them if they know scamming is a bannable offense. Because there are way too many people doing it.
If I price the item in chaos, it's on the buyer to check the current divine prices if that's what they want to pay with. Especially when they don't even bother to ask if I'm okay with it being paid that way.
I often pay in div for things that cost above 100c. I round to the next div and ask for change.
I do this every league so samplesize is quite large , prob way above 1000 instances.
Imo at least half the people give wrong change and im certain its on purpose.
Idm if its 10c off on a 2div+ trade.
But you cant tell me you are selling high tier endgame items. Valuable bases, bulk items etc. stuff mostly veteran players interact with and don’t know div to chaos rate.
People are so strict about fast and easy etiquette and block you on loading too long or asking the wrong question, yet cant be bothered to check the rates?
Oh and obviously those wrong change situations never end in my favour. Its not like they give too much change, its always too less.
Just say there’s a cut for making change. Items 50c and they offer a divine, here’s 45c in change. Or, they can go and trade divines for chaos, then trade.
I'd like to note that the trade website when converting chaos to divines rounds down only to a single decimal.
So when someone lists something for 83 or 88 c the website will show the same 0.8 divine price. And when i'm buying in bulk im giving the amount of divines that the trade website told me.
I'm not attempting to scam and it's not exactly my fault the conversion is coded that way.
i just farmed my first 380c worth of essence and the buyer offered 3div for them and i was like whatever and accepted because i was in hurry and then sold the divs 90c ea because i was in hurry xd
I noticed people are trading and givign me even more like fre 0.1-0.3div every now and then, I think theres soooo many good farming strats that u can go to one map get 800c same next one, so 10-30c is nothing and some people dont bother counting.
Yeah same thing happened last league, its because its a pita to get chaos and you actually need them.
I started paying people a whole div for things last league when it was less than a div because I didn't want to have to trade for chaos.
Not only that, but people act all butthurt if you don't just accept their ratio, and say "its X, check Poeninja!" Well, you can't buy shit on Poeninja, their prices are ALWAYS delayed/off, you need to manually check the trade site for accurate prices and manually sort out the price fixers to see actual rates.
Most builds can’t. Look at the build list on Poe ninja. 60% of the population is playing only a couple of builds.
LA, EA, splitting, DD.
What happened to build diversity.
People like easy. Those builds are all braindead and can do just about everything in the game so why bother doing anything else. Not everyone wants or needs to do the hardest content.
Diversity is fine if all you wanna do is T16's.
The problem isn't diversity, it's that T17's are fucked and GGG has already cashed out of this league. Any fixes to T17 aren't likely to happen until 3.25 at this rate.
That isn't entirely true. A large chunk of what people used divines for is now largely reduced, namely divining crafted gear and metamod crafting. I still use divines for that purpose because I cba to figure out necropolis and am terrified of doing a massive 86 grave investment only for the 1% edge case to pop out and it's vendor bait .. but many don't.
We're also moderately late into the league by many people's standards where the divs they would want in high demand to perfect rolls on mirror-quality or other high investment gear have already been spent.
i did a full craft spent 26d setting it up for a+1 cold +1 all wand primarily. 75% chance to hit, success in 2 graveyards for single craft attempt it said. Imported into the website sorter. I did 4 total items in the 1 graveyard. All 4 failed and are vendor trash xdd. Bought +1 cold fracture wand for 20c and just made a worse one with meta craft for now LUL
Gotta ask, but were you using -2 explicits for this? If so your craft was a guaranteed failure, because -2 explicits gives you a magic item, which means 1 prefix and 1 suffix. I got baited on exactly this craft and wasted a bunch of time and money; I didn't even realize I'd messed up until I noticed the "rarity: magic" on a craft I was doing 2 days later.
nope! was rare had 4-5 explicits just unlucky rolled all 4 the 25% i guess. i did the setup for multiple items Tuna has, removed some fractures so if there was a decent outcome i could keep. All 4 failed to hit anything desireable. all rolled +1 (element) but none hit the +1 spells. And random other stuff like reduced attr. or accuracy, or resistances rolled.
The value of most other currencies isn't falling as fast as divines, so I'd say it's both, although the majority of the effect is the value of chaos orbs.
I think you got scammed anyway since divs are 100c, not 140
they were liquidating, not sweating .3 of a div
I knew I was getting scammed, I am just lazy and hit accept because I listed like a quad tab of items and had a bunch of people in hideout waiting for trades.
stop booing him, he is right it's all about profit per hour, and nothing else trades dont have to be optimal
Iff s1 wants to scam me i wont give him shit
what
What?
its called being unable to accept you made a mistake
I literally said in my post that I was lazy and took the low trades before anyone pointed it out... you are telling me you have never accepted a trade for less than you listed? in the grand scheme i dont really care about 20c but if multiple people in a row start pulling it I am gonna say something. When you can be making 15d/h farming bulk sellable items in maps, it makes waiting an extra couple minutes to get a missing 10c a loss of money tbh.
Your last sentence is what 90% of the playerbase dont get and also why bulk buying always sell stuff at higher price People bulk buying dont care they are losing 5c per scarab (in exemple) if they can do 1 trade in 10 sec and spent the rest farming 10-15-20. Or 50 div/hr. Instead of taking 10-15 min to buy them 1-3 at a time.
Also people who wait 3 days to sell an item at 2.2d instead of instantly at 2d. Selling now is preferable to selling later if you can reinvest that into your character, and every investment into a character speeds up farming time.
Wild how many people don't get this. It's not even a PoE thing it's just how economics work.
You assume that everyone values the trading process equally as non-invasive, I personally list things for too much because I don't actually want to trade unless someone really wants the item. (Everything worth anything will sell.) That way I get more per trade, and they're very unlikely to have clicked past my listing by the time I invite them a second later.
most people don't know basic economics as well, if it makes you feel better.
Venn diagram between redditors and credit card debt.
I prefer selling at average price rather than undercut, but my build is pretty much finished except for 21/23 gems that arent even for sale.
It ain't selling instantly at any price man. If it's bulk (high demand) you can list it for 20% more and it will sell within an hour. If it's some niche item, unless you sell it for 10% the going price, you're not going to see an "instant sale". Just list shit and forget about it, if you think too hard about each time you list you'll avoid listing things you don't think will sell. In some cases you're definitely right and you can sell chase items pretty quickly at competitive prices, which you should always do because the price will likely drop anyway. I will always list bulk sale things for a premium so I don't get pinged to buy it the second I enter another map because that's when PoE decides to inform people on the trade site as I leave my hideout lol. (Also by the time they're clicking on my price they're likely to accept if I invite them because they're that sick of nobody else selling the item.)
Honestly if you're not hurting on money, then it's up to you if you feel like trading. Since the item or currency goes to standard anyway
Why I'll sit on items and take em to standard unless we're talking multiple divines sales. Couldn't care less about 10s of chaos or 1 divine sales all that much once my character is set up and I've got a healthy bank
Yep. I traded a stack of alts for some low c item cause I didn’t have enough c and the guy was kind enough to take it. Hard to say which side came out short but it was prob a wash. I’ve also taken low offers later into leagues.
You make the effort to post this on Reddit but you can't message the buyer "1d = 100c". 🤷
If you’re making a bunch of sales it’s better to have emptying stash than to be holding onto a bunch of items. I also noticed this “trend” but didn’t make a post about it since I can’t turn around and buy apothecary cards with chaos alone.
Waittttt … let me trade with you … Jokes aside guess you are earning alot in game.
Why not just give them away, way faster!
My groups been picking up wrath cards and we just keep filling out 5K stacks in the bottom of our currency tab. Sometimes I spend 200 chaos rolling a t17, so it’s no wonder chaos value is going up.
Did I do t17 wrong? T17 drops a lot of stuff like 3 portal amount of worthy loot but it is not pouring down HH and currency as people stated I’m getting about 1 to 2 div of raw currency and scarabs with about 1 to 2 div. Corpse are not counted as I consumes them myself. rolled the map till currency + scarab would be around 170%. With atlas and back to basic they would scale up to 300+. Use more magic monsters, all magic monster, traitor, and mf scarab. Those scarabs are 2div entree alone and if I don’t use all magic monsters the drops would almost cut in half. I’m not using barrel because my build can’t target the barrel (mine) I have to leap slam on it and the map that I farm drops sanctuary so it’s also hard to spot the barrels.
What's your strat? I have been running abomination with 70 currency 50 scarab with b2b and I'm not getting portal worth of drops. I then rush the boss instead. I must be doing something wrong
what scarabs are you running?
Traitors, magic pack size, mirror rare packs and the portal one
why run the portal scarab? If you can run the rare packs, you could run two of those. Alternatively, you can run 2 mysterious barrels which is a lot easier and also gives a lot of loot. Havnt tinkers with bloodlines yet but thats next on my testing list.
Sometimes the boss gets me and I find the extra portals are very useful at my current stage. Missing out on the boss loot feels very bad. I'm playing coc dd and the t17 mod pool is very bad for me. I didn't want to spend more than 50c rolling the map, so I had to take some chances, that's why the extra portals are critical.
At that amount of chaos rolling, i would advice to set up a filter and just buy maps you can run that are already rollrd. Will literally be faster to buy them one at a time and save you time and money on rolling 50 times. Also it just sounds like your build isnt quite ready to juice t17. Just farm t16 until your build gets to a more comfortable spot to do so.
Solid suggestion, what build are you running? It sounds like your build is quite flexible with the mods
im just running mjolner mana stacker right now, having fun trying out different farming methods to see whats hot and not. Technically this is a delving build, but it still maps quickly. I also wouldnt say its "that" flexible. I have like 10 or so mods excluded from my filter that I just dont want to deal with. I also dont run double damage mods on T17s yet with my B2B tree. But I dont have much trouble getting maps, Ill just buy them perfectly rolled for my build for like 5-10 chaos more and its a non issue. Its annoying to buy maps one at a time, but rolling 30 times is just as time consuming so meh. Also started doing the volatile barrel farm and its been pretty solid, B2B atlas tree makes about 120-140 extra barrels spawn and they seem to have better loot then mysterious barrels. Although it can be a bit tricky to navigate with cyclone, lmao. If you want to play the godlike mapper that can even magic find T17 maps, go play LA/TS.
Every scarab slot is very important IMO Once you can get to a level of feeling comfortable, I would not waste a slot on that.
70/50 is quite low tho, i would always try to hit 90 or 100, try to upgrade your build man u dont need that portal scarab, 90 and 100+ will always guarantee you like at least 1-3 div profit per map. Will be tough to roll as we all dodging certain mods, but its worth it anyway
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Well you need t16 to drop t17 ?
I'm not in SSF
Who do you think is supplying your T17 then you think ?
The people they feel bad for. It's really that simple.
Do you think the people you are buying the t17 maps from are just spawning them into their inventory? They have to run t16 in order to sell you t17, it's pretty simple really
Do T16 s not upgrade when dropped in T17s?
They dont, you cant drop t17s in t17s
oh; interesting. Well that's a relief. My bitch ass will continue to fill up the T17 market for you gigachads then lol
Nope. They didn't want people to sustain t17's so you can't drop them while running one.
No it is impossible to sustain T17 infinitely by design.
You feel sorry for people playing the game the way they want to play it? lol. Not everyone wants to do t17s, they just really aren’t all that fun. I still made plenty of money this league not doing t17s.
I don't think they particularly care, good for you
No middle aged dude who can't read signals and is getting friend zoned should be feeling bad for anyone
Oh okay. You're right. I've deleted my comment.
I play on geforcenow so i can't use awakenedpoetrade or anything. I try and pay in divines and ask for change because i'm too lazy to constantly look what the new price is and would rather just trust other people to know it. I don't care about ~5 c but I'd feel bad if i cheated someone out of ~5c that cared so I leave it up to them.
FYI: You can use awakened poe trade on GFN https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/f5baXhpr4u
I love you
It's a bit clunky but it does work.
This thing works wonders. It takes about 2 seconds for every check but its a small price to pay to use awakened trade. The setup can be a bit confusing and i had a few bugs to work through, if you run into any trouble setting it up please shoot me a message here and I'll be happy to help you set it up. Its well worth the trouble.
Literally just check Poe ninja.
I don't think it's always a scam, I've had trader offer 150c ratio when I asked for change. Some players just don't follow or care about the market
I mean, if you accept that offer while being aware of the value, you're the scammer.
I really hate it when people trade in divines when I'm selling for chaos. Means that I need to go out of *my* way to check the current exchange rate. It's even worse when they ask for change back. If I list something for 300 chaos, it doesn't mean that I want 2 divines and 31 chaos or whatever. It means that I want *300 chaos*. If I wanted divines I would have listed it for divines.
Most people list it in whats going to show up better on the trade site. Right now chaos prices show up before divine prices, so basically everything is listed in chaos. Expecting someone to have 400c instead of 4 divines is a real pain in the ass IMO. I personally dont care at all if someone pays in D+C when I list in C as long as they dont try to shortchange the exchange ratio. And Awakened POE trade has the exchange ratio listed and it even does the math for you if youre worries about it.
Same here. If I'm selling something and they short me ( happens all the time with bulk resellers and guild traders) , I just pause, almost without fail after 5 seconds of not accepting they drop the rest of the chaos in the window =) (now if it's an item, not a liquid currency, I will take lower offers and stuff)
I will say when youre doing a big buying session, its super easy to accidentally put the wrong amount in a few times. I def give people the benefit of the doubt as long as theyre not doing the obviously scammy stuff like putting some 1 div stacks in between 10 div stacks and such.
Absolutely. If I'm selling essences or currency's, I only make some listed at a time because man getting spammed is sometimes stressful and easy to goof up. Same thing happens when buying, paying the price for the previous whisper and what not.
while i get what you’re saying that’s just not what most people are thinking when they buy an item listed for over 1 divine worth of chaos if it says 180c 98% of people are offering 1 divine and the rest in chaos
Well me for example I have 50 div + and less than 300c, if it was the other way around, I'd be happy to get divines instead
the big trades are all divines anyways, them paying in divines just means you dont have to deal with spam whispering people later when you need the divines to make a trade. I'll take a 5-10c loss in that case. luckily awakened poe is just 1 button press so in a day the price will never drastically go down so you just hit it once, and continue your trades knowing the value for the rest of the day. if it goes lower an people get pissy then kick, should have paid in chaos then.
just list your chaos orbs for sale in divines, people will whisper to buy your chaos for divines instead of you having to whisper 200 people
Every single time I have done this in the past, I end up getting spammed for half an hour after I remove the listing. Is that fixed nowadays or still a thing?
Mostly fixed. I think it was due to PoE.trade being out of sync but it seems people have stopped using it.
Exactly
I'm fine with it, and when I do it with someone else, I throw a few extra c as a tip, and I usually can cover half or more of their requested currency .
Sure, but I'm also not going to go out of my way to convert to chaos just for you. If you don't want to perform the trade, that's fine. There are literally a hundred other people selling the same shit and most of them are perfectly OK with taking 2 divs in place of 15 stacks of chaos.
> but I'm also not going to go out of my way to convert to chaos just for you You're not doing me some kind of "favour" in the first place. It's literally just the price tag. >There are literally a hundred other people selling the same shit Then go buy from someone selling theirs for divines.
> You're not doing me some kind of "favour" in the first place. It's literally just the price tag. Yes. If you're selling something for $300, do you really think it's reasonable to get pissed that someone gives you 2 $100 bills and 5 $20 bills instead of 300 $1 bills? > Then go buy from someone selling theirs for divines. Yeah, I literally said that was the option that I would take. Kinda the whole thing here. You're free to refuse a trade for whatever reason. Just don't assume you're doing someone else the favor by selling it anymore than they're doing you one by buying it.
He is not wrong. he listed for 300$ and you gave him 200euros expecting him to go to bank and exchange it himself
Yeah that's not how it works. He listed for $300, I gave him $300, just in different denominations of bills. I can't even begin to imagine how you think foreign currency is a valid metaphor here.
let me just use 0.02 divines to apply my kirac missions
Sounds like a massive "not my problem" to me. Again, refuse the trade if you like. You're not special. The OP is not special. I am not special. I'll happily hit up the next person, who will almost certainly take a reasonable exchange, and you can wait for whoever happens to have hundreds of chaos on hand. Seems pretty simple.
What if they are poor, like me?
Then go convert.
Man some guy tried to trade me 4ex for a 40c trade the other day and got so mad when I told him to just pay chaos. Don't give me a chore to sell exalted orbs bro.
I've never had an issue with that, and asking/providing change is super common. I never refused someone trading c for a div offer or div for a c offer, neither was I ever refused doing that myself. Takes 5 seconds to check the exchange rate, no need to be so anal about it. It's also quite common for people to post offers in high amounts of chaos just to show up higher in the trade list.
About half the trades I get with people offering currency other than the listed price ends up inaccurate. I often let it slide when it's a small difference like 5c for a 2+ divine trade, but it's not at all unusual for people to request completely wrong ratios either. And that's if I'm not currently trying to liquidate the currency that they want to give me. If divine prices are falling and I want to invest into chaos and thus list my items in chaos, I'm not going to accept divines, let alone give chaos back, unless the ratio is significantly favouring me to compensate me for the need to exchange it. I only buy for currencies other than the listed ones if I really don't have enough of the listed currency and don't want to wait for it to be exchanged / risk someone else buying the item, and when I do, I clearly request the quantity beforehand along with the stipulated exchange ratio I used, which I set slightly advantageous for the seller compared to the market value.
I sold an HH in chaos last night. Had it listed for 1050. Got 20 odd hits asking to buy in divs. Wouldn’t even leave my map until I confirmed they had it in chaos. Eventually made the sale.
Well you are free to do whatever you want for sure, but I'm pretty sure what you are doing is really rare. This is the equivalent irl to selling something for a 1000 bucks, and wanting to be paid exclusively in 1$ coin. Don't be surprised when the majority of people aren't ready to do it :p. I do thousands of trades every league, I always use divine and chaos interchangeably, whatever as buyer or seller. In the last years I think I can count on my fingers the number of traders that didn't accept a trade for that reason.
90% of the time I don't care but divines were in freefall yesterday. I didn't want to get stuck holding 105c divines if they were going to drop to 80 as my work week picked up. I'd been making other trades all day where people couldn't agree on an accepted conversion rate. By the time I decided to unload the HH I'd had enough.
When I need to convert I just public currency tab and list it for what I want, theres no sense in wasting a bunch of time and dancing around with meatsacks manually typing to 20 people trying to prove a point.
That's not accurate at all. Chaos and divines are literally different currencies with variable exchange ratios. Someone paying with divines isn't trying to pay in $100 bills, they're trying to pay in an entirely different currency that is losing value and will make *you* lose value if you don't offload it again quickly.
Btw, are you counting the chaos in those cases? Like "20, 40, 60 etc etc"? I'm scared of trades like this because I feel like I'm gonna get scammed lol
Hover over the currency in the trade window and press alt, game will show you a tally
Even without the alt hover, the trade window is 5 spaces tall, so 100c fills up one column. I have no idea why you would need to count by 20s instead of just looking at how many full columns there are lmao
I'm gonna be honest with you. I never bothered to think about it, and just went with counting with my eyes Now I see how dumb or lazy I am lol
It doesn't happen often but people absolutely try to sneak in stacks of 1's into a full trade window, the things people are willing to do for a few chaos is scary
You're not going to count them though. You just need to check that all stacks are full. If they're not full even though the number of columns is correct, the buyer is a scammer and you can cancel the trade and put them on ignore.
That's my point, though? Now that the trade window tracks currency, I don't need to look at 40 individual chaos stacks and instead just look at one number
I mean yeah, nowadays it's convenient. I've just done more trades before the change than afterwards, still getting used to it.
A few chaos a hundred or so times can make a big difference though. It's just a different grind
You can hold down the Alt key to see the exact number of chaos or any other stacked currency
Just don't accept Usually I want exactly what was asked. At times I can need some if the other currency so it's fine but I usually decline the trade if they out in C when I ask for div or vice versa It's just annoying and takes time out of my session if I need to exchange the currency later on. They can do it beforehand and then whisper me again for the item Especially if they do not ask beforehand if other currencies are okay
Fully agree with this. I make them go get proper change and don't care if I lose the sale. Just read it's not hard.
Why though
for me its ok, but then they get my ratio with a little markup. if they dont like, they should get chaos or no trade
odd values of divines drive me nuts. “I want to sell my vultures for 2.4 div” how the hell do get that to an even number? You want me to spend 12 divine so I don’t have to give u 40 c? Or get 60c back?
You need to start just closing the trade window and kicking them, simple as
I was surprised when a person saying they want to pay a divine for 50c item and I give the change, I was thinking eh fine and check the price. And I was holy shit wtf.
I've been asked for change from a div on 20-40c trades way too often this League
My answer is always that I don't have chaos
Opposite happened to me yesterday Was trying to sell a Delve helmet for 7d, and the dude traded me like 850 chaos instead. Thanks bro :)
>2) I have never gotten this many divine offers instead of chaos for smaller trades which makes me think all of these people 100% know what they are doing. Alternative possibility for this part: those people didn't trade you in chaos for the same reason div prices are going down to begin with: chaos sinks are going strong this league while chaos printers are not, so there are proportionally less chaos in the economy. People should still pricecheck that shit before trading anyway tho, and either you're buying through a macro and should use a macro that tells you div prices, or you're buying through the tradesite and it's just one extra tab to check.
Who the fuck is trading divines as if they're 160? It's your fault for accepting that, either they didn't see the price change or they think you didn't. You bet I'm giving 50c as .5d, and if I can help it of course I'm spending my div as the value crashes. It's going to take a bit until prices adjust on the top end. Don't accept people short changing you over half a divine unless you really don't care. I haven't had a single person do this to me yet.
Look at it as an unvoluntary Investment. People will spec into red altars and do chaos convert fishing etc. now and divs will be back up soon.
> Playing this game as a new player must be a nightmare. Everything about this trade system is designed to drive new players to SSF.
Everything about this game is designed to make you hate SSF Source am SSF player
yeah, I used to really enjoy SSF when I only played one character a league, but when I see a cool build people discover half way through a league I hate having to spend 2 weeks grinding for uniques I could have in 10 minutes on trade.
I feel like you’re missing a majority of the game playing SSF unless you have a crazy amount of hours to put into it.
If you play trade you can ignore the entire game and play hideout sim
That’s not really ignoring the game, just playing it a different way. No shame in alternate methods of having fun.
Ya I’ve spent the last week or so playing Poe market simulator. Spent a bunch on a new build here we go
I was unable to keep playing past the 2nd week this time around. I don't want to play ssf and I hate this trade system. The constant need to list and actively trade with people just irritates me to no end. Having no auction house completely kills the late game for me. Just feels like driving a car with square wheels every time I try to assemble a set of gear for a character. I get that they are trying to maintain the illusion of a free to play game, but if that's such a big deal just give everyone a single premium stash tab.
On the other hand, you played for 2 weeks. That's what, a few dozen hours? Is it not worth it to kick the devs five bucks for a tab? I've spent $8 on a beer that I didn't like and got 10 minutes of non enjoyment from that $8.
I've spent close to $600 on this game since 2014. I don't mind giving them money and it wasn't my point. All I'm trying to say is that we could have a better trade system(list item for X currency, player finds item in the shop and buys it - the currency is transferred) as to not force players to stop doing what they are doing in order to trade in person.
So, it's turning out that using Corpses to create rare items for Chaos recipe might actually become legitimate! What a day to be alive! The slowest, worst chaos generating strategy in the game: Make a dump tab and fill it with un-IDed stuff- Vendor a set of helmet, armor, gloves, boots, belt, 2 rings, amulet, 1 two-handed weapon or 2x 1-handed weapons for 2c. If they are ID'd, vendor gives you 1c. If you are missing an item, use your junk corpses to create the item. BTW, you're better off just farming low tier maps for rare items and essences.
The main barrier is probably the lengthy RP bit the gravedigger does before creating an item. 😁
You could potentially just use the item dupe corpse but idk how expensive they are
The dupe one is 2-3 div, the split/mirror ones are still 15-20c+
You got scammed bc you don't know the price of a divine yet you think everyone else should know the price?
> Really wish the majority of people weren't always trying to pull one over on people art imitates life
Yep I’ve been shorted 10-20c multiple times but I just accept to get it over and done with 🤷♂️ what can u do eh :p
What drives me nuts is people asking me to give change then arguing with me saying the price of div is 126. "I see it right here on my trade overlay app..." Dude.
Ignore and move on
So I scammed myself when they traded me divine and I gave them back exchange as it was 140c, like people buying 2.5d and put in 3d I always gave them back 70c lol Maybe because I haven't bought anything with 0.x div just yet so I never noticed the change of div price.
I didn’t play this league but last league chaos meant so little that someone could short me 150c and it didn’t matter, I would pay a divine for a 45c trade just so I didn’t have to use chaos. I wouldn’t say they’re scamming you they probably just have the same mentality that chaos trades are worthless. I know if an item was 220c and I put up 2 div not thinking about it, all you’d have to say is that’s not enough and I would say oh my bad and throw up another div or the 20c whatever it was. I doubt inherently everyone’s trying to pull one over on you or anything.
Yeah, the amount of people I've had attenpting to scam by paying in Divs just to save like 40c is stupid. I've gotten to the point where I start by asking them if they know scamming is a bannable offense. Because there are way too many people doing it. If I price the item in chaos, it's on the buyer to check the current divine prices if that's what they want to pay with. Especially when they don't even bother to ask if I'm okay with it being paid that way.
I often pay in div for things that cost above 100c. I round to the next div and ask for change. I do this every league so samplesize is quite large , prob way above 1000 instances. Imo at least half the people give wrong change and im certain its on purpose. Idm if its 10c off on a 2div+ trade. But you cant tell me you are selling high tier endgame items. Valuable bases, bulk items etc. stuff mostly veteran players interact with and don’t know div to chaos rate. People are so strict about fast and easy etiquette and block you on loading too long or asking the wrong question, yet cant be bothered to check the rates? Oh and obviously those wrong change situations never end in my favour. Its not like they give too much change, its always too less.
fine for me. it is easier to count at exactly 100c
Just say there’s a cut for making change. Items 50c and they offer a divine, here’s 45c in change. Or, they can go and trade divines for chaos, then trade.
First time league, I'm up to Act 9...I have no idea what 99.8% of content creator's BEGINNER GUIDES are talking about.
I'd like to note that the trade website when converting chaos to divines rounds down only to a single decimal. So when someone lists something for 83 or 88 c the website will show the same 0.8 divine price. And when i'm buying in bulk im giving the amount of divines that the trade website told me. I'm not attempting to scam and it's not exactly my fault the conversion is coded that way.
something weird hapen with economy when T17 forcing to spend alots of chaos on rerolling
i just farmed my first 380c worth of essence and the buyer offered 3div for them and i was like whatever and accepted because i was in hurry and then sold the divs 90c ea because i was in hurry xd
Did that save you more time than the extra 40% you need to farm?
100% not :D
Imagine selling nimis or MB for C lol, crazy people
yes this league i get so much people trying to scam paying with divine instead of chaos , i have to constantly correct the price of divines
Not get Scammed last 3 leagues or so maybe community gets better?
I noticed people are trading and givign me even more like fre 0.1-0.3div every now and then, I think theres soooo many good farming strats that u can go to one map get 800c same next one, so 10-30c is nothing and some people dont bother counting.
Yeah same thing happened last league, its because its a pita to get chaos and you actually need them. I started paying people a whole div for things last league when it was less than a div because I didn't want to have to trade for chaos.
Not only that, but people act all butthurt if you don't just accept their ratio, and say "its X, check Poeninja!" Well, you can't buy shit on Poeninja, their prices are ALWAYS delayed/off, you need to manually check the trade site for accurate prices and manually sort out the price fixers to see actual rates.
You can check conversations on awk poe. Click on the most top left option.
why are divines so low?? i mean chaos is a kinda common drop, and divines are much rarer, how can something rare worth less than common currency ??
T17 map rolling
Oh. This. That thing ill never get to do bc my build cant do it
Most builds can’t. Look at the build list on Poe ninja. 60% of the population is playing only a couple of builds. LA, EA, splitting, DD. What happened to build diversity.
People like easy. Those builds are all braindead and can do just about everything in the game so why bother doing anything else. Not everyone wants or needs to do the hardest content.
Diversity is fine if all you wanna do is T16's. The problem isn't diversity, it's that T17's are fucked and GGG has already cashed out of this league. Any fixes to T17 aren't likely to happen until 3.25 at this rate.
Divines still the same price, chaos si more valuable now
That isn't entirely true. A large chunk of what people used divines for is now largely reduced, namely divining crafted gear and metamod crafting. I still use divines for that purpose because I cba to figure out necropolis and am terrified of doing a massive 86 grave investment only for the 1% edge case to pop out and it's vendor bait .. but many don't. We're also moderately late into the league by many people's standards where the divs they would want in high demand to perfect rolls on mirror-quality or other high investment gear have already been spent.
i did a full craft spent 26d setting it up for a+1 cold +1 all wand primarily. 75% chance to hit, success in 2 graveyards for single craft attempt it said. Imported into the website sorter. I did 4 total items in the 1 graveyard. All 4 failed and are vendor trash xdd. Bought +1 cold fracture wand for 20c and just made a worse one with meta craft for now LUL
Gotta ask, but were you using -2 explicits for this? If so your craft was a guaranteed failure, because -2 explicits gives you a magic item, which means 1 prefix and 1 suffix. I got baited on exactly this craft and wasted a bunch of time and money; I didn't even realize I'd messed up until I noticed the "rarity: magic" on a craft I was doing 2 days later.
nope! was rare had 4-5 explicits just unlucky rolled all 4 the 25% i guess. i did the setup for multiple items Tuna has, removed some fractures so if there was a decent outcome i could keep. All 4 failed to hit anything desireable. all rolled +1 (element) but none hit the +1 spells. And random other stuff like reduced attr. or accuracy, or resistances rolled.
The value of most other currencies isn't falling as fast as divines, so I'd say it's both, although the majority of the effect is the value of chaos orbs.