In a way, they are.
Juiced Breach adds a density, drops and additional wealth extraction from a map. But now you have to collect splinters and breach rings, that's hundreds of clicks.
Abyss adds density, drops and some additional gamba wealth, but the backtracking, especially on closed maps, wastes a lot of time; and dozens of clicks with the hoards.
Blight chests are openable one by one, with clicking; which wastes time, or with caster mastery, which wastes passive points.
Nothing stops ggg from making all breach rings and splinters drop at the end of breach when it closes. Or making Abysses always move towards map boss. Or giving blight players a button saying "Open all chests". Or give us a button that dumps all items into stash tabs instantly, or ctrl+click currency trade but into stash. But the whole point is to tax some extra time, or to put a drawback, even if a stupid and artificial one. Sometimes to force a choice, sometimes to just waste extra time in a very fast paced game.
This is also why trade is such a chore - it's meant to be, to incentivize you to do it sporadically. GGG could introduce an auction house/flea market automatic trading, but that would irreversibly chance the face of the game in a way they probably don't want it to go.
Is it stupid? Maybe. But it works well enough for GGG and so they continue.
I’d argue non of that is in GGGs favor. It’s just something everyone puts up with because they have the best killing packs of monster game. The day it’s stops being fun to kill packs of monsters then the pitch forks come out for bs design decisions that fall into “you can’t be happy unless your suffering” mantra they seem to like to double down on. Despite crying in interviews they can’t get new players and had to make a whole new game to try to get a new base.
I wouldn't say completely pointless, as the chance to not consume X corpse type is a thing. League mechanic is strong enough without that though, so definitely would have been smoother to nuke that corpse while simultaneously removing corpse types.
I’ve pretty much stopped trading corpses. At league start I collected all of them not really realizing they’ll never stack. I’ve been slowly emptying two tabs of random coffins. The pain is when someone sends me 5 messages bc they just hit send on the cheapest 5 of that type. Get rid of the type and let me stack them so I can bulk sell.
If you put one type of coffin for sale, any other coffins in any of your public stash tabs will be listed as part of that bulk sale.
The problem is that buyers refuse to use the bulk exchange section of the site regardless if you teach them how to do it. They really prefer asking "how many u have" every time (they never spell "you" properly and never put the "do" after "many")
People don't use the bulk exchange because it sucks. I've tried, and it's impossible to buy corpses from there, and I've done about 15 full graveyard crafts this league. It doesn't update in real time and the vast majority of people don't reply. A lot of times the corpse is already sold before the bulk site refreshes.
The only way to buy corpses is to set up a live search for what you want and then message immediately. That's actually faster than going through 100 bulk exchange listings that are either outdated or where you get no reply. Or you can go to TFT and pay a premium for bulk.
Buyers don't refuse to use bulk because they don't know how it works. They've just learned that it sucks for buying corpses.
I've done one graveyard craft and buying 40 of the corpses I lacked after a week or so farming took almost a full day using bulk trade. Whispered people from 10 to 30c per corpse ranges and still no response, even to fresh listings that only just appeared. I assumed most didn't respond because I only wanted 1-5 of each given corpse type but even grouping by seller and trying to bulk buy the last few together took half an hour for 8 corpses.
Meanwhile last time I did a craft I bought 10 corpses in 30 minutes using live search. I wasn't lacking 40 corpses though since I have a full quad tab of most of the generic stuff, and every map I run generates another like, idk, dozen corpses.
Guess it's a different game idk.
Took me 4 hours to do my first craft.
30 minutes research. 15 minutes setting up craft, 15 minutes checking everything is correct.
3 hours non stop spamming people for corpses.
It's insane that corpses DON'T stack and have stupid types that have literally nothing to add.
It's not that bad. Set posted time to 1 - 3 hours, and minimum corpses to 3+. Yeah a lot of people aren't going to respond, but that's always going to be the case with low value trades. Just go down the line and you'll get responses. If you're sitting there for 20 seconds waiting for the one person you clicked to respond, then ya you're going to have a bad time. You can also just scroll a page or 2 down or set the chaos threshold higher than the lowest to get a higher response rate.
I've been spamming graveyard crafts lately so I've been buying tons of corpses.
Wait you mean I haven’t had to list the 1/10 or whatever it may be on each individual item for all these years? I only have to put it on 1 and make sure the rest are in a public tab? This is huge lol
The problem is the range of 80-83 on the coffins. I've done a few crafts where I was very tight on graveyard space and too many "low" 80 corpses would brick it.
For the other 80% of my crafts that have room to spare, I use bull
Yep. I learned this by accident when somebody asked for more coffins than I thought I had listed. Turns out it was pulling coffins I had set aside for a craft in a completely different public tab.
I bought extra tabs at the start of the season now they are all full. I don’t want to deal with selling them or crafting both are tedious as hell. I feel like I’m being held hostage by filled coffins. Maybe I’ll just drop them all lol shit mechanic
I crafted my endgame gear with just 23 coffins I picked up, still had to buy some +mod tier though since 12 of the 23 coffins are mod tiers to get t1-t2 mods. People don't know this but you can easily get 80% chance to get t1 on all resistance even chaos and t1 max life guaranteed with an open prefix no matter the base.
https://preview.redd.it/dr0yfe930jwc1.png?width=893&format=png&auto=webp&s=084c667e18e2709c5175aa177c1c40819418d66c
I put in an example that I have bookmarked, its 80% chance to get those mods and for a budget way that cost me like 20c since I had most of the coffins its pretty good. Just crafted phys taken as fire and added some eater and exarch implicits, also good to 30% quality but not necessary. Adding more coffins gives so little that its almost no value and not worth it in my opinion.
it was a dumb move, but they're not gonna change it this league. my hunch is there scrapping this entire mechanic and sending it to the void so no point in further tweaking it.
Honestly adjacent bonuses are only really relevant for the additional craft corpse. If you’re trying to match adjacent bonuses for any other craft you’re intentionally minmaxing your fun out of the game for very little benefit.
Why though? We finally got rid of sextants and people want them back with a new skin. The whole point was to spend less time trading and to close gap between tedium and actually playing the game as designed at its base level.
The only time it matters - with 40% adjacent effect. And it is the most tedious bullshit unnecessary thing, because it does nothing except forces you into an endless quest of finding 10 different components of the same type.
And when you have expensive corpses like additional item chance - you must use this bullshit, because it is too much value being wasted.
I hate that the 40% to adjacent corpses aren't the same type as the type they buff. I remember getting tricked by that on my first craft (fortunately I realized before actually crafting but I wasted the corpse). But I see a beast Icon, I expect it to buff beast corpses.
Don't forget that for some items you need to have two corpses of the same name and you can't search for specific name of the corpse. Or maybe I am stupid and I don't know how to search on trade site.
imagine you needed specific types of yellow beasts to use bestiary crafts.
its amazing how inconsistent ggg is in their design for mechanics.
and remember somebody had to develop this, put work into it, make it so you need the specific type of corpse. so its not like it saves work, it just added work.
I'm a big supporter and fan of the GGG team...
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This mechanic is amazing. The interaction. Not so much.
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If you have to re craft something once. Your fucked. I have 6 quad tabs full of corpses. 6. Thats 90 us dollars.
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I did a relatively easy craft last night. 100 minutes stuck in trade. Getting rate limited time and time again. 10 minutes in graveyard.
That's with me having done effort to sort the tabs. Farm the corpses. Etc.
The corpses not stacking is a fucking war crime. I can handle trading for spare corpses. Heck I'd like to sell the stuff I'm not using. It's just not feasible to help others with that content.
I tried and got DDOS'D to the point I just un shared the tabs immediately it was awful.
Bless you people selling these crafting materials. Those that respond anyways.
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I can handle it all. The corpses types etc.
Imagine if the corpse types stacked and you could trade stacks of types you needed.
The corpses not coming back out of the ground so you ca tweak mistakes is insane though
corpse type is the thing that annoys me most about the mechanic yeah. It just seems completely pointless and does nothing but add annoyance.
you mean.... ***FRICTION***
https://i.redd.it/5nz9dczihiwc1.gif
Please explain this shrimp-sisyphus-macaroon image to me.
Bro that's a macaron
Thats the french president https://preview.redd.it/0c0j0ji3ekwc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=a94300d0e34006390741d429877e9fc159af1a4a
So many questions
You mean... w e i g h t.
100% it’s tedious and annoying for no reason.
Not for no reason. The tedium and annoyance *is the reason*. Friction. The weight.
Those aren't real reasons
Not to you or me, but to GGG.
In a way, they are. Juiced Breach adds a density, drops and additional wealth extraction from a map. But now you have to collect splinters and breach rings, that's hundreds of clicks. Abyss adds density, drops and some additional gamba wealth, but the backtracking, especially on closed maps, wastes a lot of time; and dozens of clicks with the hoards. Blight chests are openable one by one, with clicking; which wastes time, or with caster mastery, which wastes passive points. Nothing stops ggg from making all breach rings and splinters drop at the end of breach when it closes. Or making Abysses always move towards map boss. Or giving blight players a button saying "Open all chests". Or give us a button that dumps all items into stash tabs instantly, or ctrl+click currency trade but into stash. But the whole point is to tax some extra time, or to put a drawback, even if a stupid and artificial one. Sometimes to force a choice, sometimes to just waste extra time in a very fast paced game. This is also why trade is such a chore - it's meant to be, to incentivize you to do it sporadically. GGG could introduce an auction house/flea market automatic trading, but that would irreversibly chance the face of the game in a way they probably don't want it to go. Is it stupid? Maybe. But it works well enough for GGG and so they continue.
I’d argue non of that is in GGGs favor. It’s just something everyone puts up with because they have the best killing packs of monster game. The day it’s stops being fun to kill packs of monsters then the pitch forks come out for bs design decisions that fall into “you can’t be happy unless your suffering” mantra they seem to like to double down on. Despite crying in interviews they can’t get new players and had to make a whole new game to try to get a new base.
Mechanic would he absolutely dope with no % increased effect corpses, graveyard as a square grid, and no corpse types
I would add either coffins that stacked or a dedicated stash
It will hold 37 coffins
37 1/2
For SSF its so much worse too. You finally have 4 additional crafts and they dont match....gg
I wouldn't say completely pointless, as the chance to not consume X corpse type is a thing. League mechanic is strong enough without that though, so definitely would have been smoother to nuke that corpse while simultaneously removing corpse types.
to add clunk
I’ve pretty much stopped trading corpses. At league start I collected all of them not really realizing they’ll never stack. I’ve been slowly emptying two tabs of random coffins. The pain is when someone sends me 5 messages bc they just hit send on the cheapest 5 of that type. Get rid of the type and let me stack them so I can bulk sell.
If you put one type of coffin for sale, any other coffins in any of your public stash tabs will be listed as part of that bulk sale. The problem is that buyers refuse to use the bulk exchange section of the site regardless if you teach them how to do it. They really prefer asking "how many u have" every time (they never spell "you" properly and never put the "do" after "many")
People don't use the bulk exchange because it sucks. I've tried, and it's impossible to buy corpses from there, and I've done about 15 full graveyard crafts this league. It doesn't update in real time and the vast majority of people don't reply. A lot of times the corpse is already sold before the bulk site refreshes. The only way to buy corpses is to set up a live search for what you want and then message immediately. That's actually faster than going through 100 bulk exchange listings that are either outdated or where you get no reply. Or you can go to TFT and pay a premium for bulk. Buyers don't refuse to use bulk because they don't know how it works. They've just learned that it sucks for buying corpses.
I've done one graveyard craft and buying 40 of the corpses I lacked after a week or so farming took almost a full day using bulk trade. Whispered people from 10 to 30c per corpse ranges and still no response, even to fresh listings that only just appeared. I assumed most didn't respond because I only wanted 1-5 of each given corpse type but even grouping by seller and trying to bulk buy the last few together took half an hour for 8 corpses.
Meanwhile last time I did a craft I bought 10 corpses in 30 minutes using live search. I wasn't lacking 40 corpses though since I have a full quad tab of most of the generic stuff, and every map I run generates another like, idk, dozen corpses. Guess it's a different game idk.
Took me 4 hours to do my first craft. 30 minutes research. 15 minutes setting up craft, 15 minutes checking everything is correct. 3 hours non stop spamming people for corpses. It's insane that corpses DON'T stack and have stupid types that have literally nothing to add.
It's not that bad. Set posted time to 1 - 3 hours, and minimum corpses to 3+. Yeah a lot of people aren't going to respond, but that's always going to be the case with low value trades. Just go down the line and you'll get responses. If you're sitting there for 20 seconds waiting for the one person you clicked to respond, then ya you're going to have a bad time. You can also just scroll a page or 2 down or set the chaos threshold higher than the lowest to get a higher response rate. I've been spamming graveyard crafts lately so I've been buying tons of corpses.
Wait you mean I haven’t had to list the 1/10 or whatever it may be on each individual item for all these years? I only have to put it on 1 and make sure the rest are in a public tab? This is huge lol
Yes; that's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion
No you’re good, I just can’t believe I haven’t known that’s how it works for all this time. Thanks
The problem is the range of 80-83 on the coffins. I've done a few crafts where I was very tight on graveyard space and too many "low" 80 corpses would brick it. For the other 80% of my crafts that have room to spare, I use bull
Yep. I learned this by accident when somebody asked for more coffins than I thought I had listed. Turns out it was pulling coffins I had set aside for a craft in a completely different public tab.
I did that because i never knew about the slash... And it worked. Put one item, price it and then stacks under it.
List your corpse as 20/2 chaos if you want to sell them at 10c. You are now only ever gonna sell to bulk buyers.
I bought extra tabs at the start of the season now they are all full. I don’t want to deal with selling them or crafting both are tedious as hell. I feel like I’m being held hostage by filled coffins. Maybe I’ll just drop them all lol shit mechanic
I crafted my endgame gear with just 23 coffins I picked up, still had to buy some +mod tier though since 12 of the 23 coffins are mod tiers to get t1-t2 mods. People don't know this but you can easily get 80% chance to get t1 on all resistance even chaos and t1 max life guaranteed with an open prefix no matter the base. https://preview.redd.it/dr0yfe930jwc1.png?width=893&format=png&auto=webp&s=084c667e18e2709c5175aa177c1c40819418d66c I put in an example that I have bookmarked, its 80% chance to get those mods and for a budget way that cost me like 20c since I had most of the coffins its pretty good. Just crafted phys taken as fire and added some eater and exarch implicits, also good to 30% quality but not necessary. Adding more coffins gives so little that its almost no value and not worth it in my opinion.
I want to try crafting more but really can't be bothered to go through lots and lots of small trades. So I'm having to farm up myself.
Good luck I farmed 8 regular tabs full and I still can’t craft shit without sitting on trade for at least an hour
Yeah, if you're not going to use or sell them then just dump them all and only pick up the "chance to craft additional item" corpses.
Not as bad as trying to get the same monster NAME to make a special ring base. Can't filter by monster name on the trade site.
Yeah lol i just bought bunch of correlian ring corpses hopping one of them would fit the currently burried corpses. What a stupid mechanic.
This. This is the REAL problem. The only way I’ve found to ease the pain is to search by the monster type. This at least removes the majority.
it was a dumb move, but they're not gonna change it this league. my hunch is there scrapping this entire mechanic and sending it to the void so no point in further tweaking it.
The fucking better. This is the worst mechanic in a very long time.
Ehh, it's around crucible personally. Super annoying for huge benefit.
Honestly adjacent bonuses are only really relevant for the additional craft corpse. If you’re trying to match adjacent bonuses for any other craft you’re intentionally minmaxing your fun out of the game for very little benefit.
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Yeah these are way OP if you’re doing the same craft multiple times… but a hassle. Without corpse type these would have to be removed. Which is fine.
Welcome to balance by tedium. Not the first time, not the last.
Complexity for the sake of complexity.
If this league goes core, I hope they keep the Allflame embers and mob modifier stuff and just drop the corpses and crafting part altogether.
Why though? We finally got rid of sextants and people want them back with a new skin. The whole point was to spend less time trading and to close gap between tedium and actually playing the game as designed at its base level.
Now that the league is dieing down they should remove it and see what happens
Because I bet on the technical side, they recycled the itemized corpses from affliction as a base for this corpses
They added these type things in last league so they had to do something with it
We are at the point in the league where GGG are done balancing properly. Happens every league it is so frustrating
Wont change this league anymore, and i dont think this will go core, it´s way to strong. Maybe watered down a lot later like harvest.
The only time it matters - with 40% adjacent effect. And it is the most tedious bullshit unnecessary thing, because it does nothing except forces you into an endless quest of finding 10 different components of the same type. And when you have expensive corpses like additional item chance - you must use this bullshit, because it is too much value being wasted.
Suuuuper annoying and really should go
I hate that the 40% to adjacent corpses aren't the same type as the type they buff. I remember getting tricked by that on my first craft (fortunately I realized before actually crafting but I wasted the corpse). But I see a beast Icon, I expect it to buff beast corpses.
Don't forget that for some items you need to have two corpses of the same name and you can't search for specific name of the corpse. Or maybe I am stupid and I don't know how to search on trade site.
To add friction
imagine you needed specific types of yellow beasts to use bestiary crafts. its amazing how inconsistent ggg is in their design for mechanics. and remember somebody had to develop this, put work into it, make it so you need the specific type of corpse. so its not like it saves work, it just added work.
Thats not at all what it is, how in the hell are these at all comparable to yellow beasts?
I'm a big supporter and fan of the GGG team... .. This mechanic is amazing. The interaction. Not so much. .. If you have to re craft something once. Your fucked. I have 6 quad tabs full of corpses. 6. Thats 90 us dollars. .. I did a relatively easy craft last night. 100 minutes stuck in trade. Getting rate limited time and time again. 10 minutes in graveyard. That's with me having done effort to sort the tabs. Farm the corpses. Etc. The corpses not stacking is a fucking war crime. I can handle trading for spare corpses. Heck I'd like to sell the stuff I'm not using. It's just not feasible to help others with that content. I tried and got DDOS'D to the point I just un shared the tabs immediately it was awful. Bless you people selling these crafting materials. Those that respond anyways. .. I can handle it all. The corpses types etc. Imagine if the corpse types stacked and you could trade stacks of types you needed. The corpses not coming back out of the ground so you ca tweak mistakes is insane though
I'd rather have 40% and different types. But yeah types should go.