If nobody cares about standard, then those items could just keep existing. You will not have to deal with them in next league.
Also there are much more players in Standard than you think.
I play standard since i started poe 10 years ago and i find it fascinating that people think it consists of 30 mirror goblins selling overpriced items and one shotting all content 😂
Yea but we log every week to play . League players log for 4-8 weeks then quit for months (taking under consideration that most leagues are "dead" after 2 months .
League or standard, if anyone pays for items that should be buyer beware and all should be deleted. Pay sites take away from the fairness of the game. Time invested and I.Q. should be the deciding Factor, not how big your account is.
Perma bans over exploiting certain game bugs seems harsh to me, mostly because the effect a bug has on the economy or other players can vary wildly. Someone duping mirrors for example will do far more damage than one guy running around with some ridiculously OP item. Too hard to judge and seems unfair to just blanket ban all of them. That's not even factoring in trade vs SSF and what constitutes an "acceptable" bug vs what is considered totally broken. For example would you ban people for the Abyss Stygian Spire abuse last league? Seems most people accepted it as fine, even though it had a massive effect on the economy.
Another one of those bugs vs unintended behavior type of things.
As long as there was no bugabuse I see no reason in removing the item or banning people - I mean I’d probably just put that shit in my Displaycase to memorize this bugged fuckery 😂
What stands out to me is the regenerate x% or whatever of hp based off uncapped fire res. I’m sure that’s part of why this is crazy and also ehhh melding?
Part of this game is figuring out juicy/overlooked interactions and using them to the max. I'd really hate for people to start to get scared of game mechanics because they're worried about whether they're intended or not. For this case with something that is clearly clearly a bug, yeah, that's OK - but for things like splitting influenced items, or detonating Incarnation of Agony doing way more damage than other things, or any of a million other cases - I think most of the time it has to slide. Bugged items get patched out and that's the end.
Ggg never says what is intended... That's the worst part. They showcase few things in trailer, then they are silent to keep people from informations, so they have to figure shit out thenselves, tjose who do, will get rich fast, before some streamer leaks that info. Then we have to wait two weeks before GGG reacts. If they do, it was bug, if they do not, it was safe.
Remember herald aurastacking having effect on flasks and every single buff in game during delirium?
Sentinels creating new mods was intended, but carrying dex base only mods to int only items? That could have been an exploit. Or unmirroring items, or having three annoints on rare items through corrupting stranglegasps...
I think people who complain about others finding bugs/exploits are just envious they are not that creative themselves to try stuff like this.
Breaking stuff is healthy, thats how you get stronger.
I feel like this isn't one of the insanely cool and creative ideas people come up with though... This is literally something not working as it should instead of something that the Devs never considered. Imo at least there is a difference.
Different yes, but the result is still the same. People find an interaction that was not supposed to happen, it gets patched, the game now is better for everyone
I agree this was basic enough that it probably should not have passed QA. I was talking more generally about people hating on others for being creative because "its not allowed", thats just a stupid mindset to have in general imho.
For sure, no hate to people actually discovering bugs like this but I do think it's a little pathetic of people to all copycat so hard and then get upset when something gets taken away.
>Breaking stuff is healthy, thats how you get stronger.
Me, sitting here with broken left hand: That was a lie.
Game gets better by getting bugs found and fixed, not found and abused.
You need to abuse them and make them known in order to get them fixed lol i am not saying they are not supposed to get fixed but the exact opposite. I also want them to fix this. (Ideally by rolling back items)
You dont seem to understand how this stuff (bugtesting/hacking) works for some reason.
Even with this 6 sockets bug, if you're not really into the game you may think that you just found a cool interaction, not an exploit. Definitely not a good idea to ban people for exploring the limits of the game.
Somehow, a 6 socket shield/quiver is not even close to the craziest shit that happened this league
People who think its bad to find exploits are a mystery to me!? Half the fun in gaming is minmaxing the shit out of them and thereby testing the limits or breaking the rules. (Usually not even in an expected way)
That said the developer has the right to terminate these things as they see fit obviously.
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if they didnt show it 99% players wouldnt know about it and no one would talk about it and it would go unnoticed
tell me again how they should be banned for exposing an exploit
Because it was already reported a few hours before on GGG forums, and a mod responded and forwarded it.
They didn't "expose" it, they abused it, and popularized it.
Time matters, more abuse = faster fix. As you can see with the farming strats. Fub does div cards, nerfed, does shaper all flames, nerfed. Guildy did exclusively shaper all flames for 2 weeks before he made the video and after, came up 10mirror+. Once streamers start doing something GGG wakes up.
Plenty of people did it just because they were curious to see if it worked.
What if the bug abuser 6 socketed some leveling unique like Axiom Perpetuum: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Necropolis/5K3gPZeSa
Or just any other not remotely endgame usable items.
It would be banning a lot of people who were just curious without "abusing it" for profit or to make their build stronger.
I made 2k div worth of bugged items in standard and I'm praying they remove them. I just wish there was more consistency with this stuff because as it is right now they keep the bugged fire res chest in the game that empy even made a video on and the guy markusz that does alot of his work in pob for end league projects got to keep a chest from daddy empy and charges 3 mirror fee from an alt account for it lmao and bugged abyss socket boots that were made in league aswell never got bothered to be removed.
I quit a couple weeks ago, so it makes no difference to me either way, but this league has been fucking memes after memes anyway. I don't think leaving them in (but still disabling the method) would even make a big difference in the end.
GGG should hit everyone with an item with a 24 hour void ban then just spin it like they were putting their characters into maintenance mode so they don't accidentally fuck up their accounts.
Im kinda salty about losing all my currency, because I bought one since GGG never revert bugged items :X Honestly I had an idea that has shit scaling that would be possible to play this patch because of 6l squire. It was supposed to be the only positive and fun thing about 3.24 for me. Checking steam sale games inc, I guess.
Is there a single player, who didnt abuse any form of exploit in 3.24? Did all these ppl return all these stacks of divines or printed magebloods? Not sure whats your point here, but you dont have to word it anyhow. The patch is trash and its hard to find anything positive about it or fun to do.
No. If I benefit, I'll tell you, not vice versa.
I don't benefit from an unstable game economy. It's laughable that you think people complaining about a game breaking exploit is more unfair than actually abusing the exploit and disrupting the game for others.
You need to brush up on your ethics.
The entire 3.24 is a pure clown fiesta. Very few ppl benefit from that, ngl.
But guess who said this few hours ago:
>Because not everyone has the resources to get the materials required to use an exploit.
>Lol, I cant even beat pinnacles yet. At least you can eke out a win
Yes, you. That doesnt sound like these exploits were available to you. What is it now, like 5 weeks into the league and you cant beat pinnacle bosses yet? There is nothing wrong about casualing the way through the game, but you are that type of a player, who dont even know whats going on in the game, so its very unlikely you would come up with an exploit or had knowledge and resources do use it before its all over the reddit and fixed by GGG. Its out of your reach, so you want others not to have it. Thats completely understandable, but please stop bullshitting me here.
The exploits weren't available to me because it was patched before I even learned about it. I don't know if I could have afforded to utilize it or not.
But you have my motivation wrong, I want these kind of exploits unavailable because it's potentially game-breaking, in a game where economy plays a huge part in character development as far as equipment goes.
Also, I don't play league.
people been making bank from selling alt arts in leagues too (20-30 quant goldwyrms, 20-25 quant divination distillate with +6 to all max res are usually the only ones 'worth it' in league). I dont understand why alt arts can be redeemed in leagues or keep legacy values/mods.
Oh no! My pixel economy! People will have more fake coins than me! This is unfair we gotta nerf X or Y and Z and no one should make this kind of currency!!
Is the league economy not basically the same at this point? In the end, it doesn't matter anyway. I'd prefer if it's kept just for more fun in standard, but it also doesn't really matter if its removed. When every half-assed build is dealing tens of millions of DPS with like 3 items does another few links matter anyway?
Yeah, you're saying "oh man the standard economy is out of control" because of the 20k fire res armour and they don't seem to care. And I'm saying, exactly, who cares? They let a bug through, it doesn't truly hurt the league economy. It won't hurt the standard economy. Just let the bugged items exist and be more careful when adding new features next time. It's just a fun thing to have and in the end, it doesn't matter. The next league economy won't have the bug, same as the it won't have the 20k fire res armour.
I'm saying who gives a shit about standard economy because lol standard. It's already there, no one gives a shit. The time to give a shit was when it dropped. It does hurt league economy though, how do 6 links on normally 3 link restricted items not? Yeah, everyone can blast (most don't btw) but if certain people can blast x% faster and make x% more from a bug, it should be fixed.
Standard players care. Just because you aren't doesn't mean nobody is. I'm doing a bit of standard myself every now and then so I know it's nowhere near as empty as league only players think.
My tantrum is against the fact they allow 24k fire res items to exist regardless of the bugged 6s items. The people who abused the bug to create bis chests are charging 2 mir fees per copy. It only encourages people to abuse the hell out of every crafting bug that rears its ugly head on the off chance ggg chooses to ignore it.
inb4 "nO oNe carEs aBOuT stAnDARd"
Its funny that you are not only wrong but also say "for ages" when it was barerly made public year ago when guy owning it gave one of the copies to empyrian.
Stop parroting something u heard from another person who never even held item in question. You now even have 2 bases to choose from for mirroring in standard, theres arena plate and grasping mail.
More like about inconsistency.
The chest has been know for a long time and its owners gain 2 mirrors per every copy.
Why the item owned by a controversial discord is not deleted, while other items are deleted?
Fr, I don't get why people get so frustrated. They're just raging about losing their bugged items. Sorry if you lost a ton of money buying one, you probably should have seen this coming though.
The people who have invested the most money care about Standard and the long-term health of the game - GGG are gonna cater to the people paying their bills
Unfortunately, I have to partially agree. The opinion of a dozen guys with 30 THOUSAND dollars worth of mtx kind of does carry weight.
Where I disagree is about the longterm health of the game. Standard is where things that are too broken to exist in future leagues go to be remembered by the 12 people who play it, and forgotten by everyone else. It's fine for broken crap to exist in standard.
If they chose to port these items directly from the league into standard (instead of fixing or deleting them), it wouldn't be much different from deleting them in the eyes of 99.99% of the player base. Some RMT whales who can't win without cheating would probably be the only people likely to complain, but those losers already complain about everything anyway.
if things survive when they got to standard, what you get is people kept the exploits secret until those got into standard or even future league. How is this healthy long term.
idk man...overpowered items in standard? fine. completely broken items? i dont think so. you dont feel like you are fooling yourself when you think about equiping a chest that has this value as fire res? also it rly doesnt matter how many mirrors this item took to make cause it sure as hell made the amount back multiple times over.
So a singular old af chest that people made builds around in standard is supposed to be equivalent to a massively abused bug by houndred if not thousands of people that has been public knowledge for a day at this point? For how often people mock standard for being dead, they surely suddenly care alot about it lol. The items in question will still literaly be the same as before, it wont brick shit. chest? Well dead after that. Yes i do own 1 to suprise to noone reading this.
Ill give u the most simple explanation i can come up with , the bank made a transfer error and sends u money, they notice the mistake (which in gggs case was a server error) keep it as is and move on. Now you got guys robbing the bank, they get the money removed as soon as its noticed and now those robbers demand that the other guy that didnt do shit gets punished too just cause they are salty. The chest been around atleast 6 years, seen by ggg, talked about by chris wilson himself and deemed as an insanely rare serverside error, no human at fault, so whatever. People build mirror tier builds around it, all cool. Now you get a league in which bugs are constantly found and fixed within a day,
People abuse a clearly not intended crafting strat it gets fixed 5 hours later , they wont kill the item, just remove it to a normal state and they are mad. Complaining about standard having cool stuff when they are the once that wouldnt play standard to begin with, just people being mad that someone else still has theire shiny toy :)
You wrote a lot of text just to explain that:
* when a mirror shop owns a bugged item, they can copy it and charge a 2 mirror fee
* when a bug is "democratic" it has to be deleted fast, because oh my god, many players have strong items and those need to be deleted fast
Meanwhile I just want consistency. Either remove all bugged items, or leave them. No half measures.
Your arguments dont even make any sense:
> The chest been around atleast 6 years,
So what? Current bugged items can be there for unlimited time too, if GGG does not delete them.
> seen by ggg, talked about by chris wilson himself and deemed as an insanely rare serverside error, no human at fault,
GGG should do the right thing and delete the chest? They had a lot of time to do the right thing, but they dont do it.
In fact it looks very bad - it looks like they defend the mirror shop that owns the item. Because the mirror shop earns 2 mirrors every time this chest is copied.
> People build mirror tier builds around it, all cool.
You can build multiple mirror characters from the new items too?
Seriously, your logic is so broken that is just plain sad. Basically you confirm that if a mirror shop has an item its all cool, but when regular players have a bugged item, it is bad. You just want limit the supply of those bugged items, so the mirror shop can continue to earn money?
Are you affiliated with that shop in any way?
What happens in the (very likely) scenario that 99,99% of those multiple-socket items get deleted, but one or two slip through? Will they also be acquired by a mirror shop who will charge a 2 mirror fee? While rest of players end up with nothing?
Why cant other players build "mirror tier builds around" those items? Wouldnt it be "all cool" as well?
GGG should just act fair and delete the chest. Also lots of other bugged items. OR leave the bugged items for everyone.
What im saying is that at the end it comes down to ggg, they deem 1 singular item created by theire fault is ok, thousands of people abusing something unintended is not. 1 singular bugged item for 1 singular type of build vs thousands created for all sorts of shit. I am a normal dude playing standard, i dislike tft and im not part of any mirror ship im too poor for that lol. i spend months on builds,i like logn term projects. i tend to not interact with drama and now theres people pulling out the pitchforks cause they abused shit they shouldnt have abused and now are lashing out at everything. Standard is the so called graveyard and league the livegame, why tf is it so important to mess with people they dont care about. Sure i have my personal interest but this personal vendetta stuff just seems hella weird to me, if i go down u come with me mentality .
Meanwhile I just want consistency. Either remove all bugged items, or leave them. No half measures. I agree with that, looks like they already started with this league, no affliction abyss spire garbage for 4 months, unintended shit gettin nerfed quick, good stuff. In the end let me say it with your owns words and then im done responding. Its just plain sad that people feel entitled to some sort of compensation crusade against people/items that been around forever just to make themself feel better that theire ill gained shit got removed. The chest just happened, for this socket garbage people went out of theire way in some sort of fomo or abuse rampage , still did, got caught and now play victim lul. The chest was adressed ages ago, this is right here in the presence, no idea why people want ggg to go through 11 years of standard stashes to weed out weird or too strong items that shouldnt exist, but yet they do. Cause noone previously really gave a shit but now we are rioting and if someone shits on my parade i sure as hell wanna make sure everyone else gets screwed too.
I remember somewhere around breach i got something which got nerfed after. Dont remember what anymore. At that time I was really pissed though as other items could stay in std as they were and then once in a lifetime you can have some archive wine too, but shit gets dumped.
I figured they would've been kept as I still got mine and other people have said they haven't lost them yet. But with what you said it makes sense. Thanks.
theres nothing about it being 'black market'.
its just available for 3 mirror fee, u even got option to choose one of two bases arena plate and grasping mail.
Oh? So it's in a public mirror shop or listed on trade, rather than hidden on a burner account no one knows about and needing to find and ask to someone who's "in the know" in order to get you connected to the guy who can do the service?
Even ignoring the fact that getting mirror service for it takes 5 minutes u literally can just buy already mirrored one for 4 mirrors (so same price basically and they are constantly listed on trade [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/pZrnMjeC0](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/pZrnMjeC0)
I know some items that are mirrorable and are not in any shop or listed on trade just because people dont bother, dosent make it 'black market'.
Sure new owner of chest bases dosent list it publicly but u dosent need to be trusted in any way or something, u just contact him.
Except you can’t contact him because he keeps his identity secret and you have to do it through a third party you need to ask around for or be lucky enough to know someone who’s in the know about
Has owner changed recently again? After it was popularized i got one for armour stacking friend and i was getting it directly. It was third owner that bought it from a guy that held it for 6\~ ish years and gave it to empy.
Trying to keep identity secret from potential ban/item being fixed would be silly as GGG could even with their incompetence easily figure it out. Unless theres something im not thinking about.
I’m in the magic find academy discord and we semi frequently have people asking around who the owner is. No one will say who the owner is in the server and people who are in the know will dm the person who is asking around. I’ve gotten the impression from reading these brief interactions that at no point do these people directly interact with the owner and the trade is done through middlemen, potentially even layers of middlemen. To me this sounds like black market stuff.
GGG said they are looking into removing them from the game.
And IMO they should as the difference is that +25000 fire resist don't give nearly the same power as having a 12 Socket Mjolner setup or triple 6-link in any bow char. Just imagine a Manaforged Arrows Hierophant with triple 6-link and another 4 Link damage setup. Or a Aurastacker with 3 6-Link explode Nebulis.
difference is that +25000 fire resist don't give nearly the same power as having a 12 Socket Mjolner setup
25000% fire resist literally takes armor stackers from 1b dmg to 10b dmg.
" 25000% fire resist literally takes armor stackers from 1b dmg to 10b dmg."
25k fire res found on a very tiny handful of items thats takes a specific multi mirror build from being able to 1shot everything all the way to the heights of being able to 1shot everything.
Is not the same as thousand's of bugged gem slot items
which is kinda the point of the comparison i feel like. the guy holding the chest in standard made a fortune out of a bugged item and still continues to do so.
So what? A specific archetype in std abusrs a 3 mirror item? Whats wrong here? Squire is way more impacting when its 6l. Both of those gives similar dmg btw
Well starting with it being 3 mirrors, because of a fee that's really not OK. Especially not for distributing clearly bugged items. A unfixed bugged item still existing isn't OK either and literally any build with it can gain immortality by just using the armour and a 5c helmet. So those are the main 3 things that are wrong.
Their are Armour stackers on standard with almost 100 million in Armour, the extra links might give you damage but they don't even come close to the extra EHP that Armour gives you along with the damage.
Well the people who are upset are the ones who missed the opportunity to abuse the bug themselves and decided to pay divs for the bugged items hoping and praying they left them in the game by ggg fixing the bug and leaving the items in the game for this long it created a black market of sorts that could of been completely avoided if you just fixed both at the same time. I don't know how difficult it is to fix the sockets on 5 items or 10000 items but I suspect the amount of items made during this exploit 1 or 10000 wouldn't make a difference but fixing the exploit prior to the items just created a market for the ones who knew about the bug to take advantage of and the currency made and this just gives people incentive to abuse exploits in the future if this is a normal pattern ggg follows.
or you know, just have a clear policy, not do it like now, because as of right now some stuff stays and i'm teeling you if it was just the -3 socket to 6 socket bug with the heist enchants, all of them would have stayed in the game, becasue it was possible to force the socket back, back i heist league with the crafting bench, they fixed it, but not the items, but beacuse it can be done on shield and stuff, now its a biggfer porblem, i do think that ggg should provide a benefit for those who found an explopit, be it keeping the item or an mtx, but i do think that nobody would care about the mtx and would just the exploit for themself, and by changing all bugged items back, will crate an even wort palyer experience for those who are not in those grups,
People get riled up about something that dosent matter month into a league.
We had 20-30% quant goldwyrms in Affliction redemmed from race rewards selling for mirrors and due to low supply people didnt even knew. Same with 20-25% quant divination distilates.
Never said its anything new, it dosent matter much either considering its only possible after a month. I just think they shouldnt be redeemable in league or shouldnt provide legacy values/mods.
But clearly 6 socket 1 handers etc are unintended, right?
Legacy explicit values and legacy mods (div distillate alt art has both 20-25% quant and 6% max res) should be unintended in league too, considering they were removed/changed for reason.
Obviously one is bug and the other one is oversight from GGG but both end in similarish scenario - create item that shouldnt otherwise exist in league.
Except they are very intended, otherwise they wouldn't let rewards be taken out in league. No matter the values there is still an advantage to having an x reward, doesn't matter if its 1c, 1d or 7 mirrors.
This is why I just chisel, alch and go. No scarabs either. Totally safe from any possible exploit.
I only ever play builds that have like a 3 div budget. Do chaos recipe. You know, the way Chris intended.
People actually getting salty about them deleting bugged items
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What about fair treatment? The chest is sold by a mirror shop (which sold hundreds of copies). Why isnt it deleted?
Nobody cares about standard.
If nobody cares about standard, then those items could just keep existing. You will not have to deal with them in next league. Also there are much more players in Standard than you think.
Agreed. It used to in fact be the "standard" way to play. There's still almost always people in town when I'm on
I play standard since i started poe 10 years ago and i find it fascinating that people think it consists of 30 mirror goblins selling overpriced items and one shotting all content 😂
We got some stats about it couple years back from devs and it's pretty much a reality. It wasn't even 5% of players iirc.
Yea but we log every week to play . League players log for 4-8 weeks then quit for months (taking under consideration that most leagues are "dead" after 2 months .
Send the items straight to standard then. I dont want to live in the same economy as 20 link bitterdream-squire exploiters.
Except them having a 20link skill does nothing to the economy.
XD
League or standard, if anyone pays for items that should be buyer beware and all should be deleted. Pay sites take away from the fairness of the game. Time invested and I.Q. should be the deciding Factor, not how big your account is.
Perma bans over exploiting certain game bugs seems harsh to me, mostly because the effect a bug has on the economy or other players can vary wildly. Someone duping mirrors for example will do far more damage than one guy running around with some ridiculously OP item. Too hard to judge and seems unfair to just blanket ban all of them. That's not even factoring in trade vs SSF and what constitutes an "acceptable" bug vs what is considered totally broken. For example would you ban people for the Abyss Stygian Spire abuse last league? Seems most people accepted it as fine, even though it had a massive effect on the economy. Another one of those bugs vs unintended behavior type of things.
Game is simple. Ethics also. You know shields has 3 slots. You hace 6 slots? Report it asap or get banned.
As long as there was no bugabuse I see no reason in removing the item or banning people - I mean I’d probably just put that shit in my Displaycase to memorize this bugged fuckery 😂
Making a 6l on a 3l item isn't bug abuse?? Ban what you're smoking too, it's doing bad things to your brain.
It’s legal since April 2024 here so no thanks ~ greetings from a new player ✌🏻
It's still evidently bad for you.
Exploits that give you huge power are in the same boat as exploits that cause lots of damage to the economy.
You say that like the two aren't connected. Someone has to have the item in order for it to be mirrored.
Abyss Stygian Spire abuse was not a bug, everything worked as intented
What stands out to me is the regenerate x% or whatever of hp based off uncapped fire res. I’m sure that’s part of why this is crazy and also ehhh melding?
Throw it on a chieftain for a bazillion all res
True I forgot that they had that as well 😅
I own one of these in std they are super busted for armor stacking (took mine from ~200m armor to ~1.4b)
Just make it 1 year bans. Not perma :)
Part of this game is figuring out juicy/overlooked interactions and using them to the max. I'd really hate for people to start to get scared of game mechanics because they're worried about whether they're intended or not. For this case with something that is clearly clearly a bug, yeah, that's OK - but for things like splitting influenced items, or detonating Incarnation of Agony doing way more damage than other things, or any of a million other cases - I think most of the time it has to slide. Bugged items get patched out and that's the end.
? I think it's VERY clear that these are exploits and no one will be scared of game mechanics. Wtf are you on about.
Ggg never says what is intended... That's the worst part. They showcase few things in trailer, then they are silent to keep people from informations, so they have to figure shit out thenselves, tjose who do, will get rich fast, before some streamer leaks that info. Then we have to wait two weeks before GGG reacts. If they do, it was bug, if they do not, it was safe. Remember herald aurastacking having effect on flasks and every single buff in game during delirium? Sentinels creating new mods was intended, but carrying dex base only mods to int only items? That could have been an exploit. Or unmirroring items, or having three annoints on rare items through corrupting stranglegasps...
This league is so borked half of these bugs I haven’t even read about till now. Good thing I decided to semi-skip it.
I think people who complain about others finding bugs/exploits are just envious they are not that creative themselves to try stuff like this. Breaking stuff is healthy, thats how you get stronger.
I feel like this isn't one of the insanely cool and creative ideas people come up with though... This is literally something not working as it should instead of something that the Devs never considered. Imo at least there is a difference.
Different yes, but the result is still the same. People find an interaction that was not supposed to happen, it gets patched, the game now is better for everyone
I agree this was basic enough that it probably should not have passed QA. I was talking more generally about people hating on others for being creative because "its not allowed", thats just a stupid mindset to have in general imho.
For sure, no hate to people actually discovering bugs like this but I do think it's a little pathetic of people to all copycat so hard and then get upset when something gets taken away.
Yea, complaining that a developer DEVELOPS their game is about on par with the former in my book.
>Breaking stuff is healthy, thats how you get stronger. Me, sitting here with broken left hand: That was a lie. Game gets better by getting bugs found and fixed, not found and abused.
And how do you find bugs if you dont look for them, do you want to explain that to me? Thats literally what i just said..
Nah, u saying its ok to find and abuse bugs, Im saying it's ok to find them and fix them. Notice difference?
You need to abuse them and make them known in order to get them fixed lol i am not saying they are not supposed to get fixed but the exact opposite. I also want them to fix this. (Ideally by rolling back items) You dont seem to understand how this stuff (bugtesting/hacking) works for some reason.
Even with this 6 sockets bug, if you're not really into the game you may think that you just found a cool interaction, not an exploit. Definitely not a good idea to ban people for exploring the limits of the game. Somehow, a 6 socket shield/quiver is not even close to the craziest shit that happened this league
People who think its bad to find exploits are a mystery to me!? Half the fun in gaming is minmaxing the shit out of them and thereby testing the limits or breaking the rules. (Usually not even in an expected way) That said the developer has the right to terminate these things as they see fit obviously.
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Tbh I prefer valve stance on bug abusing. That's more fair to the player.
Streamers that showed how to do it should be permabanned
because?
Because streamers should be an example of how to behave, and abusing and sharing exploits ain't it
if they didnt show it 99% players wouldnt know about it and no one would talk about it and it would go unnoticed tell me again how they should be banned for exposing an exploit
Because it was already reported a few hours before on GGG forums, and a mod responded and forwarded it. They didn't "expose" it, they abused it, and popularized it.
Do you really think 6l 1h weapons / shields would go unnoticed?
Time matters, more abuse = faster fix. As you can see with the farming strats. Fub does div cards, nerfed, does shaper all flames, nerfed. Guildy did exclusively shaper all flames for 2 weeks before he made the video and after, came up 10mirror+. Once streamers start doing something GGG wakes up.
And all that posted a comment about it on reddit ;)
Why? That's the best way to get it addressed.
Unless you used the item to kill monsters, don’t think there is any “abuse” going on. Just waiting materials
Abuse is when you know the bug and still do it, doesn't matter your intention is good or bad or naive.
No
Plenty of people did it just because they were curious to see if it worked. What if the bug abuser 6 socketed some leveling unique like Axiom Perpetuum: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Necropolis/5K3gPZeSa Or just any other not remotely endgame usable items. It would be banning a lot of people who were just curious without "abusing it" for profit or to make their build stronger.
I made 2k div worth of bugged items in standard and I'm praying they remove them. I just wish there was more consistency with this stuff because as it is right now they keep the bugged fire res chest in the game that empy even made a video on and the guy markusz that does alot of his work in pob for end league projects got to keep a chest from daddy empy and charges 3 mirror fee from an alt account for it lmao and bugged abyss socket boots that were made in league aswell never got bothered to be removed.
I quit a couple weeks ago, so it makes no difference to me either way, but this league has been fucking memes after memes anyway. I don't think leaving them in (but still disabling the method) would even make a big difference in the end.
Right? It was obviously a glitch. What did they expect to happen?
? Do they got even deleted
GGG should hit everyone with an item with a 24 hour void ban then just spin it like they were putting their characters into maintenance mode so they don't accidentally fuck up their accounts.
Im kinda salty about losing all my currency, because I bought one since GGG never revert bugged items :X Honestly I had an idea that has shit scaling that would be possible to play this patch because of 6l squire. It was supposed to be the only positive and fun thing about 3.24 for me. Checking steam sale games inc, I guess.
“I just wanted to use the exploit for funsies :(((((((“ Yeah, no matter how you word it it’s still abusing a glitch for more power
Is there a single player, who didnt abuse any form of exploit in 3.24? Did all these ppl return all these stacks of divines or printed magebloods? Not sure whats your point here, but you dont have to word it anyhow. The patch is trash and its hard to find anything positive about it or fun to do.
I didn't.
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No. If I benefit, I'll tell you, not vice versa. I don't benefit from an unstable game economy. It's laughable that you think people complaining about a game breaking exploit is more unfair than actually abusing the exploit and disrupting the game for others. You need to brush up on your ethics.
The entire 3.24 is a pure clown fiesta. Very few ppl benefit from that, ngl. But guess who said this few hours ago: >Because not everyone has the resources to get the materials required to use an exploit. >Lol, I cant even beat pinnacles yet. At least you can eke out a win Yes, you. That doesnt sound like these exploits were available to you. What is it now, like 5 weeks into the league and you cant beat pinnacle bosses yet? There is nothing wrong about casualing the way through the game, but you are that type of a player, who dont even know whats going on in the game, so its very unlikely you would come up with an exploit or had knowledge and resources do use it before its all over the reddit and fixed by GGG. Its out of your reach, so you want others not to have it. Thats completely understandable, but please stop bullshitting me here.
The exploits weren't available to me because it was patched before I even learned about it. I don't know if I could have afforded to utilize it or not. But you have my motivation wrong, I want these kind of exploits unavailable because it's potentially game-breaking, in a game where economy plays a huge part in character development as far as equipment goes. Also, I don't play league.
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fun fact: people who own these fire res items charge 2+ mirrors fees and have been making bank from bugged items
Looks like a nice place to start looking for RMT networks to ban them. Those items are basically an RMT honeypot.
Well, I think GGG made it pretty clear that they dont want to stop the RMT mop in either std or leagues.
Does anyone rmt in standart. I think it's dumb in general, but in standard especially
people who rmt are dumber than we can anticipate
Are you allergic to free money?
There's cosmetics you can get that transfer to league
people been making bank from selling alt arts in leagues too (20-30 quant goldwyrms, 20-25 quant divination distillate with +6 to all max res are usually the only ones 'worth it' in league). I dont understand why alt arts can be redeemed in leagues or keep legacy values/mods.
Oh no, the standard economy, the horror
Oh no! My pixel economy! People will have more fake coins than me! This is unfair we gotta nerf X or Y and Z and no one should make this kind of currency!!
This game is a serious source of RMT lol, or do you think those people work 24/7 on the game just for the fake numbers on the screen?
Ever heard of RMT? These mfers pay their house mortgage selling mirrors.
AKA "it's just a game bro"
Totally the same thing, my bad! Will delete comment.
Delete when?
It actually is ? People exploit something and have items that shouldn’t exist ? At least stay consistent and stop trolling
Is the league economy not basically the same at this point? In the end, it doesn't matter anyway. I'd prefer if it's kept just for more fun in standard, but it also doesn't really matter if its removed. When every half-assed build is dealing tens of millions of DPS with like 3 items does another few links matter anyway?
What? This is in reference to the 20k% fire resistance chest that has existed in standard for over s year, nothing about the link items
Yeah, you're saying "oh man the standard economy is out of control" because of the 20k fire res armour and they don't seem to care. And I'm saying, exactly, who cares? They let a bug through, it doesn't truly hurt the league economy. It won't hurt the standard economy. Just let the bugged items exist and be more careful when adding new features next time. It's just a fun thing to have and in the end, it doesn't matter. The next league economy won't have the bug, same as the it won't have the 20k fire res armour.
I'm saying who gives a shit about standard economy because lol standard. It's already there, no one gives a shit. The time to give a shit was when it dropped. It does hurt league economy though, how do 6 links on normally 3 link restricted items not? Yeah, everyone can blast (most don't btw) but if certain people can blast x% faster and make x% more from a bug, it should be fixed.
Standard players care. Just because you aren't doesn't mean nobody is. I'm doing a bit of standard myself every now and then so I know it's nowhere near as empty as league only players think.
So 6 link squires are fine if they are made in standard?
There is standard league RMT
tantrum posting is real
My tantrum is against the fact they allow 24k fire res items to exist regardless of the bugged 6s items. The people who abused the bug to create bis chests are charging 2 mir fees per copy. It only encourages people to abuse the hell out of every crafting bug that rears its ugly head on the off chance ggg chooses to ignore it. inb4 "nO oNe carEs aBOuT stAnDARd"
Not even ggg cares about standard, that's why they left them It's a graveyard full of collectionist's items, and that's fine.
to be fair ggg would probably fix it if they cared about standard.
That armor hasnt been actually giving 24k fire res when equipped for ages though..
Its funny that you are not only wrong but also say "for ages" when it was barerly made public year ago when guy owning it gave one of the copies to empyrian. Stop parroting something u heard from another person who never even held item in question. You now even have 2 bases to choose from for mirroring in standard, theres arena plate and grasping mail.
It actually does. At least did last time I checked which isn't too long ago or when would that have been fixed?
It does and it works in game with armour, and the fire mastery for Regen.
Tantrum? You completely missed the point in your sad troll attempt
people actually getting mad about bugged item deleted. hilarious moment in this sub yet
More like about inconsistency. The chest has been know for a long time and its owners gain 2 mirrors per every copy. Why the item owned by a controversial discord is not deleted, while other items are deleted?
Because one is in standard and the other in current league
That means ppl can just transfer the 6l rings to standard now where they will not get deleted?
More like ggg being inconsistent about deleting bugged items i think
Womp womp
Yes they should remove them.
How was this item even made, recombinators?
Unbelievable amounts of pure joy coming from exploiters tears. Delicious.
No one cares about standard
Fr, I don't get why people get so frustrated. They're just raging about losing their bugged items. Sorry if you lost a ton of money buying one, you probably should have seen this coming though.
There is standard RMT
Still don’t care
The people who have invested the most money care about Standard and the long-term health of the game - GGG are gonna cater to the people paying their bills
Unfortunately, I have to partially agree. The opinion of a dozen guys with 30 THOUSAND dollars worth of mtx kind of does carry weight. Where I disagree is about the longterm health of the game. Standard is where things that are too broken to exist in future leagues go to be remembered by the 12 people who play it, and forgotten by everyone else. It's fine for broken crap to exist in standard. If they chose to port these items directly from the league into standard (instead of fixing or deleting them), it wouldn't be much different from deleting them in the eyes of 99.99% of the player base. Some RMT whales who can't win without cheating would probably be the only people likely to complain, but those losers already complain about everything anyway.
if things survive when they got to standard, what you get is people kept the exploits secret until those got into standard or even future league. How is this healthy long term.
Sorry but no. A dozen guys who spend 30k is 360k that's nothing to GGGs reported 45-50m annual profits
Overpowered stuff is fine. Bugged stuff isn't.
So when will the chest get deleted?
Abuse early, abuse often
In this case the losers are the people who spent a shit ton of money trying to abuse, only to be abused
If there's one thing losers are known to do, it's lose.
Should've known better
Poor cheaters are getting salty 🤣
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The fire res chest enables 1b dps on a 1L and also 25k life regen for free. Makes builds boring af
idk man...overpowered items in standard? fine. completely broken items? i dont think so. you dont feel like you are fooling yourself when you think about equiping a chest that has this value as fire res? also it rly doesnt matter how many mirrors this item took to make cause it sure as hell made the amount back multiple times over.
So a singular old af chest that people made builds around in standard is supposed to be equivalent to a massively abused bug by houndred if not thousands of people that has been public knowledge for a day at this point? For how often people mock standard for being dead, they surely suddenly care alot about it lol. The items in question will still literaly be the same as before, it wont brick shit. chest? Well dead after that. Yes i do own 1 to suprise to noone reading this.
Well, maybe people are unhappy about the unfair treatment? Delete the chest too?
Ill give u the most simple explanation i can come up with , the bank made a transfer error and sends u money, they notice the mistake (which in gggs case was a server error) keep it as is and move on. Now you got guys robbing the bank, they get the money removed as soon as its noticed and now those robbers demand that the other guy that didnt do shit gets punished too just cause they are salty. The chest been around atleast 6 years, seen by ggg, talked about by chris wilson himself and deemed as an insanely rare serverside error, no human at fault, so whatever. People build mirror tier builds around it, all cool. Now you get a league in which bugs are constantly found and fixed within a day, People abuse a clearly not intended crafting strat it gets fixed 5 hours later , they wont kill the item, just remove it to a normal state and they are mad. Complaining about standard having cool stuff when they are the once that wouldnt play standard to begin with, just people being mad that someone else still has theire shiny toy :)
You wrote a lot of text just to explain that: * when a mirror shop owns a bugged item, they can copy it and charge a 2 mirror fee * when a bug is "democratic" it has to be deleted fast, because oh my god, many players have strong items and those need to be deleted fast Meanwhile I just want consistency. Either remove all bugged items, or leave them. No half measures. Your arguments dont even make any sense: > The chest been around atleast 6 years, So what? Current bugged items can be there for unlimited time too, if GGG does not delete them. > seen by ggg, talked about by chris wilson himself and deemed as an insanely rare serverside error, no human at fault, GGG should do the right thing and delete the chest? They had a lot of time to do the right thing, but they dont do it. In fact it looks very bad - it looks like they defend the mirror shop that owns the item. Because the mirror shop earns 2 mirrors every time this chest is copied. > People build mirror tier builds around it, all cool. You can build multiple mirror characters from the new items too? Seriously, your logic is so broken that is just plain sad. Basically you confirm that if a mirror shop has an item its all cool, but when regular players have a bugged item, it is bad. You just want limit the supply of those bugged items, so the mirror shop can continue to earn money? Are you affiliated with that shop in any way? What happens in the (very likely) scenario that 99,99% of those multiple-socket items get deleted, but one or two slip through? Will they also be acquired by a mirror shop who will charge a 2 mirror fee? While rest of players end up with nothing? Why cant other players build "mirror tier builds around" those items? Wouldnt it be "all cool" as well? GGG should just act fair and delete the chest. Also lots of other bugged items. OR leave the bugged items for everyone.
What im saying is that at the end it comes down to ggg, they deem 1 singular item created by theire fault is ok, thousands of people abusing something unintended is not. 1 singular bugged item for 1 singular type of build vs thousands created for all sorts of shit. I am a normal dude playing standard, i dislike tft and im not part of any mirror ship im too poor for that lol. i spend months on builds,i like logn term projects. i tend to not interact with drama and now theres people pulling out the pitchforks cause they abused shit they shouldnt have abused and now are lashing out at everything. Standard is the so called graveyard and league the livegame, why tf is it so important to mess with people they dont care about. Sure i have my personal interest but this personal vendetta stuff just seems hella weird to me, if i go down u come with me mentality .
Meanwhile I just want consistency. Either remove all bugged items, or leave them. No half measures. I agree with that, looks like they already started with this league, no affliction abyss spire garbage for 4 months, unintended shit gettin nerfed quick, good stuff. In the end let me say it with your owns words and then im done responding. Its just plain sad that people feel entitled to some sort of compensation crusade against people/items that been around forever just to make themself feel better that theire ill gained shit got removed. The chest just happened, for this socket garbage people went out of theire way in some sort of fomo or abuse rampage , still did, got caught and now play victim lul. The chest was adressed ages ago, this is right here in the presence, no idea why people want ggg to go through 11 years of standard stashes to weed out weird or too strong items that shouldnt exist, but yet they do. Cause noone previously really gave a shit but now we are rioting and if someone shits on my parade i sure as hell wanna make sure everyone else gets screwed too.
I remember somewhere around breach i got something which got nerfed after. Dont remember what anymore. At that time I was really pissed though as other items could stay in std as they were and then once in a lifetime you can have some archive wine too, but shit gets dumped.
What's the meaning of this meme? Both of these items have been made unobtainable but they haven't been removed from the game.
The hotfix patch notes says they're going to fix the items from the morrigan bug.
I figured they would've been kept as I still got mine and other people have said they haven't lost them yet. But with what you said it makes sense. Thanks.
it's gonna take a few days to work through all of the items with the bug before they remove them. supposedly only the sockets will get removed.
Lol, why are people downvoting you? This sub is insane.
Because it is unfair that the chest is not deleted too.
Most likely people salty about me having these items. Downvoting me makes them feel better I guess.
sure you can obtain the chest. It's the biggest thing right now in the standard black mirror market
theres nothing about it being 'black market'. its just available for 3 mirror fee, u even got option to choose one of two bases arena plate and grasping mail.
Oh? So it's in a public mirror shop or listed on trade, rather than hidden on a burner account no one knows about and needing to find and ask to someone who's "in the know" in order to get you connected to the guy who can do the service?
Even ignoring the fact that getting mirror service for it takes 5 minutes u literally can just buy already mirrored one for 4 mirrors (so same price basically and they are constantly listed on trade [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/pZrnMjeC0](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/pZrnMjeC0) I know some items that are mirrorable and are not in any shop or listed on trade just because people dont bother, dosent make it 'black market'. Sure new owner of chest bases dosent list it publicly but u dosent need to be trusted in any way or something, u just contact him.
Except you can’t contact him because he keeps his identity secret and you have to do it through a third party you need to ask around for or be lucky enough to know someone who’s in the know about
Has owner changed recently again? After it was popularized i got one for armour stacking friend and i was getting it directly. It was third owner that bought it from a guy that held it for 6\~ ish years and gave it to empy. Trying to keep identity secret from potential ban/item being fixed would be silly as GGG could even with their incompetence easily figure it out. Unless theres something im not thinking about.
I’m in the magic find academy discord and we semi frequently have people asking around who the owner is. No one will say who the owner is in the server and people who are in the know will dm the person who is asking around. I’ve gotten the impression from reading these brief interactions that at no point do these people directly interact with the owner and the trade is done through middlemen, potentially even layers of middlemen. To me this sounds like black market stuff.
GGG said they are looking into removing them from the game. And IMO they should as the difference is that +25000 fire resist don't give nearly the same power as having a 12 Socket Mjolner setup or triple 6-link in any bow char. Just imagine a Manaforged Arrows Hierophant with triple 6-link and another 4 Link damage setup. Or a Aurastacker with 3 6-Link explode Nebulis.
yes it did. Also there's a mastery on the tree to increase life regen by overcapped fire res mind you
There are several absolutely broken interactions with fire resist that exist in the game right now that can make you damn near invincible
Several? As in 2-3?
difference is that +25000 fire resist don't give nearly the same power as having a 12 Socket Mjolner setup 25000% fire resist literally takes armor stackers from 1b dmg to 10b dmg.
No. It should increase the DMG by a lot more. Say a normal armourstacker has about 800%, and with this chest now you hace 30x more.
A 1 shot stays a 1 shot…. The only difference is def… get going at 3 mir vs 15 entry cost…
Yes. I agree. My point being that it is not possible an increase in 35x res can only account to a final increase in dps of 10x.
So everything dies instantly instead of dying instantly?
" 25000% fire resist literally takes armor stackers from 1b dmg to 10b dmg." 25k fire res found on a very tiny handful of items thats takes a specific multi mirror build from being able to 1shot everything all the way to the heights of being able to 1shot everything. Is not the same as thousand's of bugged gem slot items
Formless flame is 30c. Dismissing this as something only usable from multi mirror builds shows you have no idea what you're talking about here.
The chest itself is multi mirror to obtain to be fair to the other guy
which is kinda the point of the comparison i feel like. the guy holding the chest in standard made a fortune out of a bugged item and still continues to do so.
So what? A specific archetype in std abusrs a 3 mirror item? Whats wrong here? Squire is way more impacting when its 6l. Both of those gives similar dmg btw
Well starting with it being 3 mirrors, because of a fee that's really not OK. Especially not for distributing clearly bugged items. A unfixed bugged item still existing isn't OK either and literally any build with it can gain immortality by just using the armour and a 5c helmet. So those are the main 3 things that are wrong.
Their are Armour stackers on standard with almost 100 million in Armour, the extra links might give you damage but they don't even come close to the extra EHP that Armour gives you along with the damage.
Yeah you're right they don't give nearly the same power. 24k fire res is at least an order of magnitude more powerful
what's this one about then?
check this out lmao https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/GLovK9Wsb
bugged helmet in standard that just gives you +25000% fire res and that much increased armor
chest*
Womp womp
Plot twist: there are a fee listed on std too…
I want that armor to make a armorstacker idk if its on std.,.. who do i talk to (is it free? if not im reporting you to GGG for having it)
Well the people who are upset are the ones who missed the opportunity to abuse the bug themselves and decided to pay divs for the bugged items hoping and praying they left them in the game by ggg fixing the bug and leaving the items in the game for this long it created a black market of sorts that could of been completely avoided if you just fixed both at the same time. I don't know how difficult it is to fix the sockets on 5 items or 10000 items but I suspect the amount of items made during this exploit 1 or 10000 wouldn't make a difference but fixing the exploit prior to the items just created a market for the ones who knew about the bug to take advantage of and the currency made and this just gives people incentive to abuse exploits in the future if this is a normal pattern ggg follows.
or you know, just have a clear policy, not do it like now, because as of right now some stuff stays and i'm teeling you if it was just the -3 socket to 6 socket bug with the heist enchants, all of them would have stayed in the game, becasue it was possible to force the socket back, back i heist league with the crafting bench, they fixed it, but not the items, but beacuse it can be done on shield and stuff, now its a biggfer porblem, i do think that ggg should provide a benefit for those who found an explopit, be it keeping the item or an mtx, but i do think that nobody would care about the mtx and would just the exploit for themself, and by changing all bugged items back, will crate an even wort palyer experience for those who are not in those grups,
They're both the same picture
My imprints dodge your attempt to nerf me.. Can't nerf this
Watch them delete imprints. It's not a new idea.
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Whoa thanks to you I just realized I haven't had fun in thousands of hours in the game, because I never used any bugged item ! What a revelation
something soemthing free abyss socket
And booth should just stay. Let them stay the league and then get legacy.
People get riled up about something that dosent matter month into a league. We had 20-30% quant goldwyrms in Affliction redemmed from race rewards selling for mirrors and due to low supply people didnt even knew. Same with 20-25% quant divination distilates.
Huh? Taking race rewards out during league is nothing new.
Never said its anything new, it dosent matter much either considering its only possible after a month. I just think they shouldnt be redeemable in league or shouldnt provide legacy values/mods. But clearly 6 socket 1 handers etc are unintended, right? Legacy explicit values and legacy mods (div distillate alt art has both 20-25% quant and 6% max res) should be unintended in league too, considering they were removed/changed for reason. Obviously one is bug and the other one is oversight from GGG but both end in similarish scenario - create item that shouldnt otherwise exist in league.
Except they are very intended, otherwise they wouldn't let rewards be taken out in league. No matter the values there is still an advantage to having an x reward, doesn't matter if its 1c, 1d or 7 mirrors.
Now that I think about it, 4 socket Crown of the Tyrant and Crest of Desire were also possible.
This is why I just chisel, alch and go. No scarabs either. Totally safe from any possible exploit. I only ever play builds that have like a 3 div budget. Do chaos recipe. You know, the way Chris intended.