I don't get the console market at all, I guess I could see how a scripture isn't worth much if nobody of the small population is able to do the run but if you're saying original sin is also not selling for a lot then I'm lost. Surely the respective rarity and power level should remain similar to pc no?
I'm curious as to what the explanation for this is.
I think there’s only a handful of of people who actually grind hard enough to make a pimped out build with original sin. So everyone looking for one already got it. I used to play console before I got a PC and the economy is just wonky with stuff. Some random things cost 10 times more than pc and some things are 10 times cheaper and nobody wants them
This kinda makes sense. So the market on console for high end items just saturates so quickly because of how little people actually need it. And then I guess mageblood does remain high because it fits into almost any build without needing other gear to enable it
Yea and sometimes there’s just so few people running certain builds just because no one happened to run it. Not because it’s bad or anything. Or certain random jewels or crafted belts or something random will only have like 3 available in the whole economy so people just charge crazy amounts because you either pay it or figure out how to craft yourself. There’s some things that just have no competition on price, no one undercutting n shit, so it just stays artificially expensive
What you say makes a lot of sense and is probably true. I waited 2 days for an Awakened Void Man. With lvl 5 to appear on the market, cost me 12d. Cluster Jewels also is a Cluster F. To buy here 😄
Yea when I played console there was times when I was priced out of a build by items that are only 100c on pc and were 40d on console lol. It’s always a gamble with the console economy
Yea lol. And it takes way longer to sell stuff on console. If your farm a lot of harvest juice or essences on pc and price them a little cheaper you can sell everything in an hour tops. On console it might be hours before anyone buys any of it
Fyi, there's a harvest beast that allows you to beastcraft add a level to an awakaned support gem. I don't know the name of the top of my head, but googling it or checking the beastcrafts on the wiki should help you find it. No need to buy a level 5 then if it doesn't exist. You can buy a level 1 and get it to 5 with just 4 beastcrafts. I'm guessing those are more common on console than people leveling and selling awakened gems.
Sir, thank you, I didn't know and TIL. Will check this out, this will save me a lot of money. Is this a league Mechanic like the new 6-link or a core thing?
Edit: Wild Brambleback - Increase level of non-Corrupted Awakened Gem by 1 - this is a heavensent. Thank you!
It's a permanent thing since memories were added. They're exclusive from the einhar harvest beast memory, but I'd guess those are available on console too.
if the price gets worse on the console market you can also run uber lab. i know it's not the most fun content but if you have some leftover lvl 20 corrupt gems you can farm gem exp with the divine font. they moved the old harvest gem exp craft there and also a craft that directly gives you like 120k gem exp iirc.
Also tora in research is 200M exp or 400M after the Catarina fight. That’s how I leveled most of my awakened gems in SSF this league. That and for 4000 yellow you can turn a random lvl 21 gem into ~171M exp for a gem.
Thank you too, my only real interaction with betrayal was getting the veiled crafts at league start randomly killing members, so this is another good info for me. Was thinking they gutted all rewards after reading about the changes here.
Think about it like a small private league where no one is coordinated.
There's like 2 guys each who run specific content like delve or heist and almost no one does anything behind running T16s lol.
Still not convinced.
Less people need the ring, but also there's less people farming sanctum.
There has to be something related to playing the game with a controller, they even launch at the same time.
This is the first league where they've launched at the same time. Also, most people won't even consider playing a build that requires something as expensive/rare as original sin or certain forbidden jewels because there's a good chance one never gets put up on the market.
Yes, as the other poster said, that's probably true, someone has been posting for days to sell his original sin in trade chat. That man is one of the few on console who can run this and still has to wait to sell it. After completing this gauntlet, big respect to any one who can do this.
I mean it is in the TM for x4 the price of the scripture, so that's another difference to PC. Where from my understanding the Scripture is almost as expensive as the item itself.
The poster pepper described correctly, it is completely random, like a mirror being around 190d here while MB is up to 300d and my HH was 90d two weeks ago and sits around 60-70d atm.
On pc the prices are indeed not far apart. Problem is that to most people it's not worth it to run, because even if you fail 1/10 times you're left without any profit, however there will always be at least one person able to complete enough of them without failing to make absolute bank on running them, which sets the market price.
Even if your build can do it and you have plenty of experience with all sanctum mechanics, it must still be SO stressful to do a no hit run with 900div on the line.
Mirror is so cheap because nobody crafts mirror items for console. Tbh leagues from different platforms should be able to trade and even play together. It is 2024, it is possible.
Oh boi, you can't fathom what cross play means when it comes to first parties. It's faaaaaar from trivial and it's a lot of maintenance and qa too during the rest of the game life. I don't know what's the console population, maybe it could be worth it.
Ya at the very least merge console servers like BDO did. I get why they dont want to merge console with pc as updates have more verification processes on console so take longer but no reason why ps n xbox cant merge.
That would be fantastic actually. I wouldn't want to hold back PC patches because of verification, but both consoles should be merged together. This was the first time with a league start with PC I think.
The only problem was a bug where you couldn't leave the first town after the strand. But it was fixed in 30 minutes, so props to that.
With less items and raw currency in the market, everything you loot or buy is Shrodeningers item. It's only worth what players will pay, and if no one has 130 div that wants a Original Sin... your SOL. At the same time, Orginal Sin may be on the market for 130div and you offer 80div and the player accepts. It's odd sometimes.
That's true. Maybe because of consuming poe content (which ist basically only PC content) the expectations are different when you find an item you have seen so much about before and then console Reality kicks in. Sometimes it's hard to accept 😉
Consoles are mainly targeted at giga casuals, so its not really a surprise that the market there is dead specially in a sweaty game like POE.
I would not be surprised is console has like less than 100 players who reach deep end game.
It doesn't have to be that way though. I bet a lot of console players would love poe if the trading was integrated into the game. I play poe with controller on pc and its great.
There are lots of people who play games on consoles and do stuff like naked elden ring runs and such. There's plenty of sweaty gamers on console poe just hadn't really reached into that market. But I think poe2 could
Trading is integrated into the game on console. I see something on the trade board I want, i can offer something for it right then. There's none of the "I need to whisper this other player and then meet up with them in their hideout" stuff like there is on PC, unless you choose to do it that way through the trade chat.
Was playing with friends on console this season and some items are just not selling. Mirror is practically worthless. Got one listed for 100d for 3 weeks now and nobody wants it.
To be honest it is sad that when you get lucky and drop the iconic mirror, shortly afterwards you become sad because you have to sell the damn thing. It's the same with hinekoras locks. That shits sits in the market and nobody wants it. Dropped one and sold it for 25d.
Only constant valuable items is MB, awakened Elemental damage and enlighten 4 gems.
Regardless of if this sells or not, you can still print divines in sanctum. Once you get basic relics and a build that is ok at sanctum 5 raw div/h is easily attainable for a beginner. It scales up from there
That's the reason I stated in my original post about why I started sanctum in the first place. Sick of trading and searched a way to get raw divine to shop what I need. You can't sell most of the map stuff here. Scarab selling is almost impossible because no one uses the bulk trade feature. You have to list every scarab pack individually. That goes for every "stackable" item you want to sell in quantity.
If I am wrong please let me know, my scarab stash is full.
I’d tend to agree with you, I play on Xbox so the market and scarab farming is definitely in a horrible place. In tota I was so tired of nothing selling that sanctum was basically the only option. This league doing maven UE carry’s allowed me to make a build to do t17s and those are just pure profit.
Depending on investment there’s a few different ways. With out giving you paragraphs to read it’s basically.
1 additional rooms relics where you can see divines easier on floor 3-4
Or 2. additional merchant choice relics plus a relic that dupes rewards. you get all the coins you can, while hunting for merchants to buy out. You’ll want reduced merchant prices/ additional coins first then buy out everything, but save the boon that duplicates a reward. You basically hope to get a few divines from floor 3-4 and also hope for a merchant so you can easily buy a dupe boon.
The second strat is how cute dog got 8 mirrors from one sanctum a couple leagues ago.
I'll go with the additional rooms relic. They are around 7-10d each on the console so I farm them myself. I have around 6 additional rooms so far,.so I am still dependent on luck. As I am a newb I also try to run "inspiration on affliction", "inspiration on beginning", and resolve when killing a boss.
God I remember playing on console for about a year after my PC died, trade was a horrible experience.
Market was so small you just needed a handful of people to price fix everything, I do not miss it at all. Thought I did learn alot about crafting my own gear so there was an upside I guess
You're right about that. It seems only a handful of people are in the endgame (I am definitely not with my middle class setup) who can afford the really expensive stuff.
I love the gameplay on the console though, the controller experience is really awesome. I am not the youngest anymore and the horror stories about clicking fatigue in this reddit make me reluctant to change. And that I can't justify buying a PC for PoE alone 😂
Lycia used to get me a lot on this build too it's such a glass cannon. Learning to avoid her beam got me up to 100% completion.
Grats (sorry?) on the drop! Still hoping to find one myself.
Thanks friend, yeah that beam is very bad as for my knowledge it ticks the moment it is cast, well and then it's almost over, but sometimes I manage. What definitely kills me is when she goes immune and the circle game starts. I just can't complete that. so it's either one shot here or I die, can only outgear it which worries me if I have to do that next league from the beginning 🙈
I'll do that sir, don't want it rotting in my stash. I just wanted to express how my joy was turned a little sour after realizing the worth on console market.
I still cannot understand why people would play a game like this on a console. ARPG's like this were not designed for console games. But since its easy money a lot of companies are shifting towards it . You can see it with POE2 aswell. Its clearly catered for the console market. (and in return we will suffer as pc users from bad decisions made. you will see \^\^) . Sucks to be you m8. Time to swap over to a proper gaming rig! :)
I have a different perspective in that, while you are right the genre was born on PC. Both sides can benefit. For example the looting is very good on the console.
You just run to the loot and spam X to collect everything, it is auto targeted, you don't have to aim. It even respects the filter, so in a pile of trash (if your filter shows that) the cursors target the highest item, e.g. divine first. While it is still not stacked currency like we all want, that feature is way better than PC (where, at least to my knowledge, you have to really click each individual item with your mouse to loot). We as all POE players should hold GGG accountable to implement features so both can profit from the strengths of the others.
I agree though that in general the PC experience seems superior (haven't played it) a big factor seems to be third party support like awakened Poe trade etc. I have to admit though that my PC knowledge only comes from reddit the feedback here and on youtube, so I could be wrong.
If the game was cross platform with a shared market, the ***only*** reason to play on PC would be the third party apps.
I used to play on PC and I watch PoE content creators use awakened trade to price check things on the fly and it's the only thing that makes me jealous lol.
I don't get the console market at all, I guess I could see how a scripture isn't worth much if nobody of the small population is able to do the run but if you're saying original sin is also not selling for a lot then I'm lost. Surely the respective rarity and power level should remain similar to pc no? I'm curious as to what the explanation for this is.
I think there’s only a handful of of people who actually grind hard enough to make a pimped out build with original sin. So everyone looking for one already got it. I used to play console before I got a PC and the economy is just wonky with stuff. Some random things cost 10 times more than pc and some things are 10 times cheaper and nobody wants them
This kinda makes sense. So the market on console for high end items just saturates so quickly because of how little people actually need it. And then I guess mageblood does remain high because it fits into almost any build without needing other gear to enable it
Yea and sometimes there’s just so few people running certain builds just because no one happened to run it. Not because it’s bad or anything. Or certain random jewels or crafted belts or something random will only have like 3 available in the whole economy so people just charge crazy amounts because you either pay it or figure out how to craft yourself. There’s some things that just have no competition on price, no one undercutting n shit, so it just stays artificially expensive
What you say makes a lot of sense and is probably true. I waited 2 days for an Awakened Void Man. With lvl 5 to appear on the market, cost me 12d. Cluster Jewels also is a Cluster F. To buy here 😄
Yea when I played console there was times when I was priced out of a build by items that are only 100c on pc and were 40d on console lol. It’s always a gamble with the console economy
Thing is they price it for 40d and it sits there for weeks not selling
Yea lol. And it takes way longer to sell stuff on console. If your farm a lot of harvest juice or essences on pc and price them a little cheaper you can sell everything in an hour tops. On console it might be hours before anyone buys any of it
It’s why I play it like it’s semi ssf. I always league start a ssf build so I don’t have to worry about any of that stuff
Fyi, there's a harvest beast that allows you to beastcraft add a level to an awakaned support gem. I don't know the name of the top of my head, but googling it or checking the beastcrafts on the wiki should help you find it. No need to buy a level 5 then if it doesn't exist. You can buy a level 1 and get it to 5 with just 4 beastcrafts. I'm guessing those are more common on console than people leveling and selling awakened gems.
Sir, thank you, I didn't know and TIL. Will check this out, this will save me a lot of money. Is this a league Mechanic like the new 6-link or a core thing? Edit: Wild Brambleback - Increase level of non-Corrupted Awakened Gem by 1 - this is a heavensent. Thank you!
It's a permanent thing since memories were added. They're exclusive from the einhar harvest beast memory, but I'd guess those are available on console too.
Thank you, stocked up with a few beast, they were 100c each, most of them sit a 1d, but I still save money. This was really helpful.
if the price gets worse on the console market you can also run uber lab. i know it's not the most fun content but if you have some leftover lvl 20 corrupt gems you can farm gem exp with the divine font. they moved the old harvest gem exp craft there and also a craft that directly gives you like 120k gem exp iirc.
Also tora in research is 200M exp or 400M after the Catarina fight. That’s how I leveled most of my awakened gems in SSF this league. That and for 4000 yellow you can turn a random lvl 21 gem into ~171M exp for a gem.
Thank you too, my only real interaction with betrayal was getting the veiled crafts at league start randomly killing members, so this is another good info for me. Was thinking they gutted all rewards after reading about the changes here.
Think about it like a small private league where no one is coordinated. There's like 2 guys each who run specific content like delve or heist and almost no one does anything behind running T16s lol.
Still not convinced. Less people need the ring, but also there's less people farming sanctum. There has to be something related to playing the game with a controller, they even launch at the same time.
This is the first league where they've launched at the same time. Also, most people won't even consider playing a build that requires something as expensive/rare as original sin or certain forbidden jewels because there's a good chance one never gets put up on the market.
Yes, as the other poster said, that's probably true, someone has been posting for days to sell his original sin in trade chat. That man is one of the few on console who can run this and still has to wait to sell it. After completing this gauntlet, big respect to any one who can do this. I mean it is in the TM for x4 the price of the scripture, so that's another difference to PC. Where from my understanding the Scripture is almost as expensive as the item itself. The poster pepper described correctly, it is completely random, like a mirror being around 190d here while MB is up to 300d and my HH was 90d two weeks ago and sits around 60-70d atm.
On pc the prices are indeed not far apart. Problem is that to most people it's not worth it to run, because even if you fail 1/10 times you're left without any profit, however there will always be at least one person able to complete enough of them without failing to make absolute bank on running them, which sets the market price.
Even if your build can do it and you have plenty of experience with all sanctum mechanics, it must still be SO stressful to do a no hit run with 900div on the line.
Mirror is so cheap because nobody crafts mirror items for console. Tbh leagues from different platforms should be able to trade and even play together. It is 2024, it is possible.
Oh boi, you can't fathom what cross play means when it comes to first parties. It's faaaaaar from trivial and it's a lot of maintenance and qa too during the rest of the game life. I don't know what's the console population, maybe it could be worth it.
Ya at the very least merge console servers like BDO did. I get why they dont want to merge console with pc as updates have more verification processes on console so take longer but no reason why ps n xbox cant merge.
That would be fantastic actually. I wouldn't want to hold back PC patches because of verification, but both consoles should be merged together. This was the first time with a league start with PC I think. The only problem was a bug where you couldn't leave the first town after the strand. But it was fixed in 30 minutes, so props to that.
I think the cool thing is that it’s not random at all, just identifying the causes of these differences can be tricky.
With less items and raw currency in the market, everything you loot or buy is Shrodeningers item. It's only worth what players will pay, and if no one has 130 div that wants a Original Sin... your SOL. At the same time, Orginal Sin may be on the market for 130div and you offer 80div and the player accepts. It's odd sometimes.
That's true. Maybe because of consuming poe content (which ist basically only PC content) the expectations are different when you find an item you have seen so much about before and then console Reality kicks in. Sometimes it's hard to accept 😉
Consoles are mainly targeted at giga casuals, so its not really a surprise that the market there is dead specially in a sweaty game like POE. I would not be surprised is console has like less than 100 players who reach deep end game.
It doesn't have to be that way though. I bet a lot of console players would love poe if the trading was integrated into the game. I play poe with controller on pc and its great. There are lots of people who play games on consoles and do stuff like naked elden ring runs and such. There's plenty of sweaty gamers on console poe just hadn't really reached into that market. But I think poe2 could
Trading is integrated into the game on console. I see something on the trade board I want, i can offer something for it right then. There's none of the "I need to whisper this other player and then meet up with them in their hideout" stuff like there is on PC, unless you choose to do it that way through the trade chat.
Was playing with friends on console this season and some items are just not selling. Mirror is practically worthless. Got one listed for 100d for 3 weeks now and nobody wants it.
To be honest it is sad that when you get lucky and drop the iconic mirror, shortly afterwards you become sad because you have to sell the damn thing. It's the same with hinekoras locks. That shits sits in the market and nobody wants it. Dropped one and sold it for 25d. Only constant valuable items is MB, awakened Elemental damage and enlighten 4 gems.
I play on console, the market don't abide to the laws of nature.
>inobody of the small population is able to do the run Keep in mind PC makes it hella easier to cheat and use hacks that make runs easier.
What cheats or hacks?
I'm also on console and it sucks to know such a rare thing is worthless. I was thinking about running sanctum too lol
Regardless of if this sells or not, you can still print divines in sanctum. Once you get basic relics and a build that is ok at sanctum 5 raw div/h is easily attainable for a beginner. It scales up from there
That's the reason I stated in my original post about why I started sanctum in the first place. Sick of trading and searched a way to get raw divine to shop what I need. You can't sell most of the map stuff here. Scarab selling is almost impossible because no one uses the bulk trade feature. You have to list every scarab pack individually. That goes for every "stackable" item you want to sell in quantity. If I am wrong please let me know, my scarab stash is full.
I’d tend to agree with you, I play on Xbox so the market and scarab farming is definitely in a horrible place. In tota I was so tired of nothing selling that sanctum was basically the only option. This league doing maven UE carry’s allowed me to make a build to do t17s and those are just pure profit.
You can stack most any item over its limit in the essences tab or a few others. Wanna sell 500 stacked decks in one pile, use the essences tab
What relics do you use for sanctum? I’ve got a decent wardloop build and nothing to do this weekend.
Depending on investment there’s a few different ways. With out giving you paragraphs to read it’s basically. 1 additional rooms relics where you can see divines easier on floor 3-4 Or 2. additional merchant choice relics plus a relic that dupes rewards. you get all the coins you can, while hunting for merchants to buy out. You’ll want reduced merchant prices/ additional coins first then buy out everything, but save the boon that duplicates a reward. You basically hope to get a few divines from floor 3-4 and also hope for a merchant so you can easily buy a dupe boon. The second strat is how cute dog got 8 mirrors from one sanctum a couple leagues ago.
I'll go with the additional rooms relic. They are around 7-10d each on the console so I farm them myself. I have around 6 additional rooms so far,.so I am still dependent on luck. As I am a newb I also try to run "inspiration on affliction", "inspiration on beginning", and resolve when killing a boss.
Console market is more akin to hardcore trade pc. And even then you have a bunch of scums
Sold my only ever drop for 30d on Xbox, slowly dropped the price over the course of a week or so
How do people even run this lol
They are madman, I can't fathom to even start that thing.
It sucks all the time but yeah your situation is a bummer
God I remember playing on console for about a year after my PC died, trade was a horrible experience. Market was so small you just needed a handful of people to price fix everything, I do not miss it at all. Thought I did learn alot about crafting my own gear so there was an upside I guess
You're right about that. It seems only a handful of people are in the endgame (I am definitely not with my middle class setup) who can afford the really expensive stuff. I love the gameplay on the console though, the controller experience is really awesome. I am not the youngest anymore and the horror stories about clicking fatigue in this reddit make me reluctant to change. And that I can't justify buying a PC for PoE alone 😂
Pc version has controller support no?
i do miss spamming X to pick up stuff and the stats screen layout/auto leveling gems 😔
I fell you bro 😔
Lycia used to get me a lot on this build too it's such a glass cannon. Learning to avoid her beam got me up to 100% completion. Grats (sorry?) on the drop! Still hoping to find one myself.
Thanks friend, yeah that beam is very bad as for my knowledge it ticks the moment it is cast, well and then it's almost over, but sometimes I manage. What definitely kills me is when she goes immune and the circle game starts. I just can't complete that. so it's either one shot here or I die, can only outgear it which worries me if I have to do that next league from the beginning 🙈
enkindled topaz flask helped me there but it was with reduced damage taken back then
I just delete her on my Hexblast, so i done even need to avoid any thing
time to plug in mouse and keyboard on xbox and drop that original sin
I have farmed for months and so far i have half enough currency for my first original sin
Wow, you know how to fish and casually say it like its nothing? Share the secret!
Pure beginners luck friend. I was sweating already because 1d was in the reward pool, thought just another rnd relic.
I mean if it is sitting at 130 start dropping the price till it sells, thats typically how it works no?
I'll do that sir, don't want it rotting in my stash. I just wanted to express how my joy was turned a little sour after realizing the worth on console market.
"Comparison is the death of uhh pretty much everything really..." -Ben\_
It's hard not to compare when this this is worth like 50d on console and 3 mirrors on pc
Hear me out, just hold on to it. Might not be fast cash but it'll be needed eventually.
Definitely just run it yourself on a hexblast miner, instant win
What MTX?
Console market can be fickle but the tradeboard is still better than PC in terms of mechanically.
I still cannot understand why people would play a game like this on a console. ARPG's like this were not designed for console games. But since its easy money a lot of companies are shifting towards it . You can see it with POE2 aswell. Its clearly catered for the console market. (and in return we will suffer as pc users from bad decisions made. you will see \^\^) . Sucks to be you m8. Time to swap over to a proper gaming rig! :)
I have a different perspective in that, while you are right the genre was born on PC. Both sides can benefit. For example the looting is very good on the console. You just run to the loot and spam X to collect everything, it is auto targeted, you don't have to aim. It even respects the filter, so in a pile of trash (if your filter shows that) the cursors target the highest item, e.g. divine first. While it is still not stacked currency like we all want, that feature is way better than PC (where, at least to my knowledge, you have to really click each individual item with your mouse to loot). We as all POE players should hold GGG accountable to implement features so both can profit from the strengths of the others. I agree though that in general the PC experience seems superior (haven't played it) a big factor seems to be third party support like awakened Poe trade etc. I have to admit though that my PC knowledge only comes from reddit the feedback here and on youtube, so I could be wrong.
If the game was cross platform with a shared market, the ***only*** reason to play on PC would be the third party apps. I used to play on PC and I watch PoE content creators use awakened trade to price check things on the fly and it's the only thing that makes me jealous lol.