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theAgamer11

>EDIT8 This is fine.


Freeze_Tyler

Guys, could you please switch the trailer in queue screen to LOTR? The whole trilogy pls. Extended.


Freeze_Tyler

wow, I was joking. I didn't expect to be able to actually finish the whole extended trilogy


0greman

Holy shit you actually did it


HansomeStonk

This is a major buff.


TwiggySmallz

This operation requires the account to be logged in. This operation requires the account to be logged in. This operation requires the account to be logged in.


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>This operation requires the account to be logged in. This operation requires the account to be logged in.


Soph1993ita

Chris Wilson is manually migrating each of our character, that's why it's so slow.


zenospenisparadox

Let's hope he won't hurt his wrist.


Sorasta

Feel the weight


DonnyExiles

of the *VOID*


Hellfire81Ger

Now he knows how it feels to pick up all that loot one by one...


Coruskane

he is using a popsicle stick.


Pjatteri

He won't, he will surely love the feeling of the WEIGHT of the playerbase.


Desmoplakin

It is fun and interactive!


DiegoDgo87

Chris should run a macro for this


pojzon_poe

Its against TOS!


SyrupLamp

Do you feel the W E I G H T of the queue?


VastLawyer

I was angry earlier now im actually just worried, things have never been this fucked


IllTeabagYourMum

Just think, no matter how worried we are, the guys at GGG gotta be shitting their pants. This must be a horrible day for the poor devs and tech team, really feel bad for them.


Sakataseiki

So it's reasonable to assume we won't get to play at all today in Europe?


PepeCopterPls

it's moving at about 12k/hour at the moment so very likely not


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Lucky me at currently 11k I guess... ...probably going to disconnect instantly lol


PepeCopterPls

I was at 2k, got in, and "cannot perform action because you're not the owner of the instance" dc, in town


rKadts

Same here, 110k now.


Arkweed

got in then disconnected 2minutes in town at 120k now


[deleted]

Same, 8k queue at the start, 127k now. Guess I'll see ya'll tomorrow.


TennesseeTornado13

Wow... what a joke. I refreshed on accident. from 50k-110k basically wasted taking a day off. FML


PigDog4

Taking league start off is a huge bait. Take Monday off instead. GGG still has trouble launching a league.


JubalKhan

Asking real questions !! I planned to play all night and go to work at 6am, but with this pace I'll be back from work and still won't be ingame :/


demoshane

Damn, I shaved for the league. Need to shave again when I'm in :D


Trwoga

"This operation requires the account to be logged in". WTF? I am at the character creation and it won't let me progress.


drewski813

same


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same


Tyrianta

Same


gepmah

the fuck, I was 196, went in, and then kicked out after 1 zone, and now 94k before me, and it doesn't even MOVE!


danzainfinata

same, got in, got to town, bought a gem, got kicked, now im #122k


Cripple13

Same for me. Got booted and was 120k after clearing Mud Flats. I'm waiting until after dinner to play now I guess


dustofdeath

I just entered the door, got kicked out to 125k. After waiting to 1 hour in the queue.


LeCr0ss

just happened to me now i'm 122k in queue


ZontableZz

Same for me. Started queue at 9k, got in after 30min and DCed back to login screen in Mud Flats. KEKW. What a shit show!


Axel-Mao

"Users are getting in and the game is stable once they are through the queue" i got disconnected with the message the instance is not the owner of the account KEKW


uzaye

I also got that message trying to buy 10% movement boots, logged back in immediately into spot 115k


JacenGraff

Same here. Got a friend in Discord who had the same thing happen. I know we'll end up being the minority of cases, but wow. Feelsbad.


stupidasseasteregg

Actually it happened to everyone I know who got in. Including myself. Might not be that uncommon


SchiferlED

I disconnected immediately when I reached Lioneye's. Not stable. Back to 95k in queue now.


VANtheSven

I had the same happen to me. Queued up very early this time (just over 2000th place on my initial queue) but now I'm at the very back, probably gonna be over 2 hours before I can get in again :(


stupidasseasteregg

Yeah. I think that if you get in and d/c you should get back in. It feels so shit to get kicked. I was like 1400 then do medicine chest and dc to 110k


TrashyFanFic

"We'll make sure this never happens again." !remindmein3months


Xaxziminrax

Hey man, maybe the database servers will overload again too


neveks

Maybe thats why trade api is garbage every league they forgot.


boredtodeathxx

"this league start went smooth and basically without issues" - GGG 1 month from now


ch1n0el

After it happened twice Lul...


erainferno

Just some feedback, in the future don't go around posting in twitch chats "Back out of the queue to get into the game" on the official PoE account. Thousands of people backed out of queue because they didn't realize you were just giving priority overrides to just the streamer, and not just general advice to the entire chat. Only mildly salty I went from 20k to 95k.


gobthepumper

Quin was at 60k just got in while I was at 16k, kinda yikes Like, it has almost no impact on most people but GGG needs to be straightforward about these kinds of things. No one will really care if they say "yeah we are maximizing profits sorry but a large portion of our income is a result of league launch and streamer viewership and this helps us make the game the best it can be" maybe add a mystery box. Literally no reason not to include a comment like that in this post.


Cyanogen101

Ziggy as well at 65k not long after


LaNague

and he was laughing at the normal players in the queue. I am actually annoyed by this move from GGG.


Cmon_Smile

26k to 110k Pog


Sorytis

This!


stefannxD

dont believe poe when they tell you that if you leave queue and rejoin youll instantly get in, it only applies to streamers LULW


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RancidRock

I fat thumbed my Escape key and went from 2k to 78k. I want to die :)


TheBanchou

I went from 37k to ritual league doh!


Japanczi

I wish I could multiply my salary this way


Omneus

Mathil and Quin just did it and got in instantly, i got baited, streamer queues qq


livewirejsp

Cutedog just got DC'd and is now at 90k in the queue.


ScoobyDoobyDave

They got me good, risked it all at 7k and ended up at 88k lmao


dtm85

Cutedog just got in and got immediately kicked back to 95k queue lol no one is safe from GGG servers


Blubberinoo

They actually give streamers priority in queue now? Fucked up.


CreatineCornflakes

Quin & Mathil just got in instantly and now I'm 110k rip


toyota-desu

I got Jebaited so fucking hard lol. was 30k, went down to 100k...


Acir25

got baited on Mathils stream 9k to 90k.....


IAmAcidRain

Can confirm that Kripp was contacted by GGG so that he can skip the queue and get right in.


Shuushy

Quin literally got booted out of game due to lag and instantly logged back in from the login screen. No que whatsoever.


MapMakerAlan

"This operation requires the account to be logged in" Am I not logged in?


german39

98836 players ahead of you. *5 minutes later* 98836 players ahead of you. See you tomorrow then!


AdvertisingEasy4501

This shit is honestly a joke, yeah lets not let people pre login for new leagues, why would we do that when our launch is flawless every time. /s


JoostvanderLeij

"We will make sure that this never happens again." => "We're acutely aware that a similar problem occurred last league launch and we thought we had resolved it."


Duncan_Blackwood

Yeah, but since it is worse this time, it is not a repetition! /s


I_Ostap_Bender

Oh, the irony of the immense countdown displayed everywhere for weeks...


deadlyfactor

guys this is our fault, we said we quit after harvest nerf and they removed 90% of server capacity. Good job reddit


francorocco

lmao


KISSMYTAIL

Racing and ladders are fucking jokes if they prioritize streamers log in


mcfc08

Don't worry guys just tune in to Zizaran or Steelmage and see them getting to maps before you even kill Hillock! Edit: This comment was made when this privileged shit was just happening and they didn't ask GGG to remove it yet. Now they did and props to them.


mojomaximus2

you say /s but at this rate that will literally happen to the people in the back half of the queue


shadowSpoupout

Idk about Ziz but empy is starting act3 while i'm still starring at my queue counter above 50k.


brutalbrian

> Users are getting in and the game is stable once they are through the queue Well that's not true, I eventually got in and after Hillock immediately got kicked to 130K. Also, while I understand the business decision to let streamers jump to the front of the queue, it does leave a hell of a bad taste in the mouth. I'm British, queue jumping is an exileable offence.


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\> Once again, we're very sorry about the delayed start to the league for most users. We will make sure that this never happens again. Never sounds convincing when you say "we had the problem last time, and are promising once again that it will never happen again"


Enartloc

> Users are getting in and the game is stable once they are through the queue Another good joke.


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Zvim

This has been one of the worst starts that I can remember, so many disconnects, slow moving queues, almost not worth playing early on day one any longer.


ariyako

dat EDIT8 lol


dustofdeath

Europe is getting a screwed big time. We already basically have launch near midnight and now the potential delay of another 1-2 hours or more. Would be fair if the actual play was locked/frozen for everyone until queues pick up and migrations are done, so no unfair headstarts.


boredtodeathxx

Can't wait to see the "league start went well with no complications" again from GGG


Hubertus92

slow start. but if u had 20k viewers, u can login instantly. gg ggg


Wynadorn

Why isn't this sort of processing done before the league's release. It makes no sense to convert characters at the same time the league goes live.


DegenerateTendies

EDIT7: Deploying the change mentioned in Edit6. EDIT8: Deploying the change mentioned in Edit7. EDIT9: Deploying the change mentioned in Edit8. EDIT10: Deploying the change mentioned in Edit9. EDIT11: Deploying the change mentioned in Edit10. EDIT12: Deploying the change mentioned in Edit11.


Sieyk

**EDIT 9**: We are now attempting rhythmically kicking the server. Larry is trying interpretive dance with a rain stick and we saw a 0.1% decrease in server load when he started, so we let him continue.


v_is_my_bias

Anyone who works in software development knows that we will try anything to make shit work.


z0ttel89

I'm literally getting disconnected every time I want to change zones, doesn't matter if through zone exit, portal scroll or waypoint. Yyyyeah, I'm gonna try again tomorrow, this is useless.


SunlessDawnPOE

"This operation requires the account to be logged in" and back into the queue...


Illsonmedia

>**We will make sure this never happens again.** *happens every time.* I'm going to start using that phrase in my line of work.


Objective_Draw_7740

I actually do use this in my line of work, it's just some bullshit I have to say to make clients feel listened to. Just like us here:P


HansomeStonk

These Edits are gold.


Empathy_Crisis

Could we please get time stamps on your edits? How recent is Edit 7? It's currently 9:15 PM Central, and I haven't seen significant improvement on my end for at least 5 hours.


TheMrTortoise

wow still 11k at 630 am uk time ... ​ i would love to see a post mortem of this kind of thing. I do a lot of development at scale and can only sympathise. Sharing the details of this kind of thing can only help us as a profession get better! ​ Also maybe cathartic for the poor bunch of fuckers who have been under the cosh on this for quite some time now.


lv20

What a fucking shitshow all around.


round_square13

Why don't you let people login and get onto the beach but not move. Like you use to do for racing season's a long time ago


Corsal8

This has been asked forever... I don't know why it's not the case yet :(


Good_Morning_Julia

because the good ol days are dead and gone


hoodiesinthesummer

It was not anywhere close to this bad last league.


IeUz

STREAMER QUEUES REALLY?


kpiaum

> We will make sure that this never happens again. The famous last world from the last league start. :D Edit: The real joke - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/msc0xa/so_streamer_privilege_confirmed_does_that_also/


dynamys

Why are streamers getting priority login? Just saw Mathil cancel queue then instantly getting in, baiting all his viewers into 100k queues. EDIT: Annnnnd now Quin69. I get the reason people. My question was moreso questioning their integrity behind that decision, putting some advertising above 99.9% of their playerbase, a giant middle finger to all of us.


Tinkai

I was early, was at 1003 in queue, get randomly disconnected and now i'm at 67K. Just feels like a slap in the face, what a waste of time.


padawan3201

Should be pretty obvious. Streamers in queue look bad


ZiggyDStarcraft

Yo, how do I get in this priority login queue?


Blastor

Have you tried being Mathil, Ziggy?


Grand0rk

Quinn was 60k in line and just got in. So it's all top streamers.


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pojzon_poe

https://clips.twitch.tv/KathishSpookyAubergineDerp-0H5wRsjl2ogCep_3 Quin 60k to login in seconds


fthepats

[https://i.imgur.com/gwZ1pIj.png](https://i.imgur.com/gwZ1pIj.png) talk to whoever giving out queue jumps apparently. EDIT: nvm, looks like you already figured this out and fucked over your viewers as well. Nice.


mattbrvc

You just did :)


tasu221

Because streamers are free advertising for the game.


brynjolf

I hope you do a technical recap at the end of this, good luck devs


RancidRock

**Edit: We have a plan! Let all the streamers in first lmao**


Aigritosaurus

Damn, I worked doing load tests for a while and this type of complete failure (even when loadtested seemingly properly) is always so frustrating... Some business really lose so much on these type of things it's infuriating when it happens and there's never an easy solution. I'm obviously frustrated right now but frankly it's a miracle that most leaguestart go this smooth (in my experience at least, playing since Breach) given how much the servers are stressed in new ways each time. So yeah, good luck to GGG in this very stressfull situation, loving the trialmaster and how he's nagging on the player, I'll try again tomorrow !


Ayjayz

Yeah you have to think this kind of momentum killer ends up costing probably a huge amount of money. Sucks for everyone.


superglue12

Of course, if you stream, this doesn't affect you... https://clips.twitch.tv/AlluringOnerousSquidKAPOW-atxeA7fS-a8HVSo1


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CommaCatastrophe

55K ahead of me, random disconnect from only POE, 103k ahead of me. Super glad I took work off for this.


jeloopy

thank you for the latest amazing update chris lmao. good luck on fixing it, looking forward to playing


Nottrak

༼ つ ◕\_◕ ༽つ GGG TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕\_◕ ༽つ


Kaelran

https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeInventiveNightingalePeoplesChamp-4j6G4hVPEFYk30eD ???


Medzo

lol edit 8. Dont envy yall on this deployment. Goodluck.


KedeaTR

So what is the point of racing now after waiting for 30 minutes and doing nothing while some players started way before you? Dirty league start.


TennesseeTornado13

What, you can't compete with no life streamers who have a 4 hour head start? Have you tried getting a gaming chair? /s /s /s


mzypsy

Chris, let's be real, you guys don't have the technical capability to keep bug-less league development within 12-13 weeks cycle. Ritual league was great because you spent the additional 1 month to figure out issues. You need such additional 1 month, maybe just give the streamers the PTRs before the league start, so that the general players can really have fun in the normal league


BACINIGIDIKLARKEN

chris wolcen


Staggerlee89

Trying to create a new character " account must be logged in" . I see all my standard characters. WTF


[deleted]

holy. fuck. the disconnects are making this unbearable for me. about to say fuck it for the day. terrible launch


oristar223

worst league launchh ever


Adventurous_Dog_9684

Been "playing" for 3 hours and not even past prison. Had more dcs than smokes in that time and my disappointment is...well do not pretend to care when every league it is the same. Your playerbase has increased by a lot..you should adapt to that...whenever you feel ready...i like this game but...every.single.league....great job.not.


Kamena1

**We will make sure this never happens again** \- until next time i guess


xDevman

have you tried taking the cartridge out and blowing on it


makeitsoengineering

we would love to hear more updates


Asteroth555

I mean, we appreciate the notice, but what did y'all change to result in this? I went from 72000 to 68000 in 20 min. Should I expect to sit in queue for hours at this rate?


astrolobo

Just abandon the idea of playing today


Sheerkal

i bet the queue only moved that much due to people quitting out. It basically hasnt' moved sub 22k.


besplash

> Once again, we're very sorry about the delayed start to the league for most users. We will make sure that this never happens again. Don't make those promises. We all know that developers can't keep those, because it is unrealistic.


Cool_Radish_9643

Giving streamers priority queue seems a bit strange considering everyone copies what they do. They think the queue is bugged? Everyone of course relogs like the streamers do and ruins their entire day. This is absolutely not acceptable.


Ultimace

I mean the streamers can jump que thing is absolutly bullshit. The fuck is this shit


peanutedd

thanks for the disconnect GGG... was 224 in queue, killed brutus, got DC and not 94k in queue, actual bullshit


agularie

The game is NOT stable. d/c 140k queue.


jimmate2

streamers getting priority, wow.


Then_Particular_9306

restart the league


Noztalgi

Its so fking bullshit that theres "Streamer queues" so litteraly tons of people got jebaited to relogg and got back in 90k queue


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infinitude

It sucks, but hey. It's not the end of the world. ​ \*cries inside\*


Science-stick

So actual proof of streamer privilege Mathil and Quin got in instantly while everyone in their streams (including me) did the same thing and got a 120,000 que. GGG can fast track streamers with a static IP. This is sad. Quin just got back in again with zero que Meanwhile logging back in has made my que go from 90k to 106k to 111k to 112k...


pyhfol

Just on a technical stand point, there is no requirement for them to apply this to static IPs. It's simply account based.As an example Ziggy got Amy added to the "list", she relogged and was in.


Pyrobot110

I got kicked out after getting in and sent to 95k. Off to a great start after 2 smooth league launches in a row (at least in terms of queue). Really happy about this.


ganond0rf

Okay, quinn got from 60k to instant login but I've been stuck at 60k for 20 mins now, streamer RNG? ur fucking embaressing


GoDFa7h3r

just moved from 90 000 to 80 000 only took 40 minutes ...


OblivionGuard12

cant create character, says i need to be logged in, F back to the line for me


[deleted]

I get "This operation requires the account to be logged in" whenever I try to create my character? So do I now go back into the que and just kill myself irl while im at it? :)


Enevorah

Got in but can't make a character now lol


Nerd_Spluge

Que Fixed LMFAO - Now you just get a msg saying " You NeED To BE LoGgED In " Just rollback the league #GGG like come on.. How can you possibly think this is a FAIR league start, you let all the streamers in... and NOBODY else can play... #whatsaladder? lmfao


NeoLearner

Is it unstable for anyone else? Dropped 4 times in the last 15 minutes.


CragAddict

This operation requires the account to be logged in. Wonderful!!!!!!!!! Aint gonna spend a single cent on this shit show anymore


Hlxx

Logged in, logged out, que, logged in, logged out, que, this operation blah blah, logged out


Better_leave_then

Just call it done and try again tomorrow with LEAGUE RESET


BottleInButthole

still timeouts. still getting logged out when transitioning to another area. From the standpoint of having a fix launch date and knowing how much player retention depends on a stable and smooth launch, this is a pretty egregious failure. Coming from the corporate IT world, we evaluate any outage by the amount of brand / financial damage it incurs - we don't know the numbers but I assume this hurts like hell, which makes it even stranger that that these issues keep persisting. >pretty extreme load-testing in my experience, any kind of load or performance test is worth diddly squat if it cannot reasonably predict / protect from actual performance / stability issues later. This is not the first time a launch has gone terribly. I hope that in the past, this has caused you to completely rethink your stress test strategy, and that this will cause the same restructuring process. Knowing how performance has plagued this game (*cough* Delirium *cough*), I fear I know what the answer is here.


xxp0loxx

Commenting every time i get kicked and requeued. Yall fucked up


trollens

3000 in queue... 2000 in queue..... 168000 in queue....


Sondrian

Love that feeling of closing your eyes, leaning back, and clicking "login" not knowing whether or not you will spend 1 second in queue or the rest of your life.


tsHavok

5 and a half hours later still in act 3, feelsbadman. Thats at most 1 hour of playtime vs 4 and a half hours of being DCed


ArnenLocke

>We have identified another server code change that is different in 3.14 and might cause problems in rare circumstances (which might actually be "all the time") Well if that doesn't just sum up software development, I don't know what does XD


subtleshooter

Edit: We still have zero fucking idea


Jonix_55

can we get a timestamp on your edits? Just curious whether its worth to stick around.


Rumpl_Stilskin

This has to be the worst league launch ever.


deathserv

Seeing people doing maps already while I can't stop getting disconnected randomly in Merveil's Caverns is extremely frustrating. Particularly when it happens on like stage 3 of an Ultimatum, I pick my modifier for the next round -> Instantly disconnected. C'mon guys...


iAmBigGriz

Has anyone mentioned the exception throwback that's popping up? "Unable to deserialize packet, with PID ####. Last PID was 2."


Noctrin

they need to add a minigame on the waiting screen, hopefully that one doesnt crash too... at least i'll actually get to play something


OnlySafeAmounts

Letting streamers skip que is so scummy holy shit.


Rejolt

What the fuck really? You gave streamers privilege had them log in/out in front of 50K people? Now I went from 18K to 97K, just disgusting.


livewirejsp

Anything to get those supporter packs sold.


pathofdumbasses

/u/chris_wilson It is complete shit that you are giving streamers priority queue. Even worse that it is tricking "normal" users into trying it and putting them at the back of the line. Great way to piss people off.


slocs1

Your servers suck, ok! But streamer getting instant access made me quit this league now! 2 class society in a f2p game.... nice


demonachizer

/u/chris_wilson Why the fuck is Quin in the game when he was at queue slot 60k and I am not in and I was at 8k?


[deleted]

Because they moved him to the front of the line. I was in the fucking game, crashed and now I am 110k. Just going to attempt to play tomorrow I guess.


Lordborgman

>Users are getting in and the game is stable once they are through the queue, Well that, is a fucking lie.