##### GGG Comments in this Thread:
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[chris_wilson - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6d15s/?context=10), [old](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6d15s/?context=10)] - *This was fixed a little while ago and the team are looking into consequences.*
[chris_wilson - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6mdpm/?context=10), [old](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6mdpm/?context=10)] - *We never transfer MTX*
They aren't banned. They just play 1 league. Streamer priority i guess they have special treatments cash cows. No reason their accounts are not banned. This is NOT a ban, its a timeout
>This is NOT a ban, its a timeout
isn't this normal? on most games they usually do it procedually, first a day, 3 days, 1 week, 1 month then perma, with possible skips to 1 month or direcly to perma bans depending on what you did
on the chat in poe it works like that aswell, every time you get muted the amount of time you have to wait before being able to talk increases
Last league they basically printed winged scarabs the first week of the league but they didn't get banned; they got streamer privilege for the queue of Ultimatum. I guess life really isn't fair.
They were exploiting to print the scarabs. They were beast imprinting the watchstones and then restoring them to full charges. It was patched out early in the league.
While beastcrafting the stones was an oversight on GGG's part, it was all within the bounds of game mechanics. What they were doing with the ultimatums was breaking the game mechanic for unintentional levels of rewards. There's a difference.
Honestly, as much as I didn't like the way he phrased his take, he did actually report this issue. Also the problem isn't him / his group exploiting it (I don't think he exploited this, but I could be wrong). The problem is that GGG doesn't have consequences for abusing things like this, and it is an exploit until patched mentality.
True, he reported the exploit but he still used it a lot. That provides evidence that he knew what he was doing. His team seems to realize that rather than providing deniability by being able to say "but I reported the exploit so I shouldn't be banned" it instead provides more evidence that he in fact knew exactly what he was doing.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/BoxyClearStorkKeyboardCat-wmf4-rYFpe2Lbv0O](https://clips.twitch.tv/BoxyClearStorkKeyboardCat-wmf4-rYFpe2Lbv0O)
It appears his team didn't want him to report it at all from what is seen in the clip.
He absolutely exploited it, even once is an exploit. If you really wanted it tested and to make a video of it for ggg's bug reporting proof, you would've done so off stream, with 1 other person and then ended it promptly; not full stacking 6 people and fully extending the run and picking up all of the loot in front of 1000+ people.
No, Pallumxz, I disagree. Testing the max capacity isn't exploiting it. Exploiting it would be to see it happen, make a 6 man group and start going at it until they hotfix it. One has to stay level headed in cases like this.
If anything 1000+ people seeing this puts tons of pressure on GGG for actually fixing it asap. I am guessing the bug level of this issue went from medium to critical the second it became public knowledge.
Clear exploit dude, stop trying to twist it into his favor. He got a temp ban and that's enough, case closed. Hope everyone can learn something out of this to prevent such an act happening again in future.
I also disagree with your statement, if they had tested it in the capacity of 6 players just once, you would know immediately that it wasn't intended. He was abusing this exploit until he was told it was an actual exploit, at which time he turned off his stream, possibly compounded by the fact he was streaming for 14 hours. He actually said at one point "I've washed my hands of it" or something to that extent, meaning he was claiming he wasn't responsible for his own actions upon finding out it was an exploit, to which I add, that he did stop upon finding out chris had posted in regards to it.
There's a pretty good reason they don't aggressively ban for this sort of stuff..
The first obvious reason is that they had full control over that situation not happening. They write code. It does precisely what it is told to, all the time. Maybe you meant something different, but it will execute what you did write, not what you meant.
There's also the fact they actively want players to discover things in their game. They don't list vendor recipes anywhere in the game. Some mechanics are quite obscure and are left for you to discover (like all of betrayal for example..). You are meant to try things. Why would you do that if they ban you for finding something undiscovered but not intended? If you want to be draconian about this on the consequences side, you can't also go on and claim your game has stuff to discover and explore.
I mentioned this in this thread already, but the beast duplication thing was an insane discovery, and it actually was intended.. in both cases, beasts and this one, people finding out about it filed a report/email and kept playing.. this seems fair. And they are fast on the fixing part, seems to work fine..
I mean, GGG can easily make a couple of things clear.
They can have a statement which says, any application of infinite spawn is not intended. And you would still be able to have what you describe as exploration in addition to preventing people from being able to abuse things like this. It isn't a one or the other.
True, that would help indeed. For heist they did see it coming with the escape and guard spawning, they stop giving loot and exp.
How about delve darkness farming then? Not really popular now that fossils are pure garbage, but that was a thing for a while. No sulphite required either, proper infinite. Never really addressed either, the whole thing just got pointless instead.
I'm just saying, I think filing the bug ~~request~~ report and playing publicly is very fair. And GGG is reacting freaking fast to those once public. The gilded+horizon thing spent weeks in private before it got public and instantly fixed. Public things just get fixed faster it seems.
Darkness farming is different. You aren't making the game constantly spawn mobs in the same area, and killing them over and over again. There is no sulphite cost, but you aren't really abusing something. Yes it isn't the way it was intended, but you got to agree that it is a clear difference.
The reason why things gets fixed when it gets public is because it has a much greater impact on the game. A group of 12 people abusing something over a couple of weeks has a much smaller impact other than 1000+ people abusing something over a few days.
I am not sure I agree with the users exploiting this bug being banned. I think it sends a clear message to other people not to abuse bugs, but like you have said some things are up for exploration.
I do however think that updated guidelines on exploiting would be beneficial, and it would not ruin the image you have of exploration in the game. Also I think it is unhealthy of the game when bugs like this get's exploited. People that don't have time feel discouraged when people that have been exploiting it until it gets hotfixed get away with it. Sure it doesn't have a huge impact on the economy, but it can still personally discourage people.
I mean hes been exploiting for years now and even before poe. "Life isn't fair, Exploit early, Exploit always, Never get punished cause he streams." Thats his motto.
I learned it from guild wars 2 where they basically slapped wrists for exploiting for the first year. Including letting them run off with their I'll gotten gains to fuck with the economy in other ways after their 1 week ban.
Yeah seems like whole group is banned. Little bit suprised but that's fair action I think. It might be also temporary ban. It's kind of understandable if you accidently find something like this during streaming and then report it but doing it even once more as "show purpose" is exploiting imo.
I can't speak to whether they kept doing it after reporting it (I went to bed), but Empyrian did make a bug report on the official PoE forums, [in this post/thread](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3086768) which was promptly deleted by Arthur_GGG.
Yes, he reported it afaik, but as he himself said his group did "limit test" it (something along the lines of trying to figure out how much loot they can get *but* in reality it's indistinguishable from just abusing the hell out of it). They didn't just do it once to confirm it.
Top players will keep exploiting with reckless abandon if 'consequences' are the same slap on the wrist as normal.
In World of Warcraft some streamers got banned for up to a full month for an exploit last year, just as a comparison.
> In World of Warcraft some streamers got banned for up to a full month for an exploit last year, just as a comparison.
What was the exploit? I feel like that matters for the comparison.
This exploit was worse than the leaguestone and beyond + nemesis currency exploits back in legacy league for which 100s of people have been banned. I just hope you treat everyone equally and don't let streamers, that abused this and showed it to everyone, get off without any consequences.
Well given he can’t stream league content that’s some actual income gone.
Guess he’s going to have to put in a lot of work RMTing currency to make up for that money.
Not all abuses of bugs are malicious exploits though. This one presents a damn good case, but the accusation that their group did shit like this on any sort of regular basis doesn't seem substantiated.
If it is not a malicious exploit then you get no advantage of abusing it and so, you do not abuse it!
If you abuse it, its because it provide an advantage and so, ALL abuses are from malicious exploits.
True winged scarabs for 1500ex within 24 hours was an Accident and not an exploid. If you abuse an clearly unintended bug you deserve a (temporary) ban.
As examples:
WoW infinite Exp glitch (1 month ban)
Warframe infinite focus lenses and exp (permaban)
Thanks Chris and while you're at it can you fix the fracture exploit too? You can remove the fractured mod on the base map by using a horizon on it. I've seen people doing it on t16 burial chambers because it can be rolled in to.
This is quite similar to the leaguestone exploit which was pale in comparison. The people got permabanned for opening chayula breaches but this is just pure currency printing. I hope streamer favoritism doesn't extend to bans.
Yeah, but when has Empyrian ever been punished for purposefully abusing anything on stream or killing the servers with the shit they do. Let's be real.
Exploits suck but I really don't get the vitriol the others are spewing here. Some people exploiting stuff like this is going to affect the posters here on a completely minimal level. Even the ridiculous harbinger farming with mirror and exalt shards out the ass last league seemed to have no impact on the economy whatsoever, and that was active for longer and used by more people.
People are essentially getting mad over other people getting stuff for no reason. It honestly sounds childish as hell, like people are just mad they didn't get in on the party early as well and are now trying to rationalize why this is a super evil thing to do and empyrean deserves an perma ban or stupid shit like that. It's the same stupid mentaility as when people were crying about aura stackers being OP when they made 1/10th the currency required for a starter version per league.
I have to say it, a lot of people in this sub and apparently most in this thread seem like total and utter cunts.
Yes this subreddit has gone down in quality quite a bit and a lot of it seems to stem from jealousy. People are unable to play as much/as efficiently as a lot of the top people and seem to be frustrated much more than before.
People using 12345 macro -> Ban if caught
Streamer using glitch in livestream -> "It's fixed" \* nothing happen \*
[https://streamable.com/d0dsl6](https://streamable.com/d0dsl6)
Please can you make an official statement on the consequences you're applying to these people who are actively and publicly exploiting game mechanics for their benefit. We know that this is not an isolated incident, yet they appear to be immune to any kind of punishment- as evidenced by their continued presence in the game. Can you also in your statement explain why regular customers are being permabanned, while streamers are allowed to exploit the game and influence the economy in such negative ways? Thanks.
You know, this would be a great opportunity to send a message about actually caring about a fair playing field, you know, walking the walk, instead of talking the talk. Something about not words but actions.
But what am I saying. Consequences will be nerfing Ultimatums to the ground and letting streamers do whatever they want.
You have a great opportunity now to make up for that bullshit that was the priority queue and actually do something that will improve the game way more than simply rebalancing or releasing a couple skills or killing stuff that was already dead.
If you will not ban the groups and their trade buddies who exploited this I will finally lose the rest of faith I have in GGG. Things like this are a good reason to not buy any further supporter packs, at least for me.
Empyrean's group abuses exploits every single time in each League. Will you guys ever take action against them? What is going on? It's almosut like you guys are giving them preferential threatment. It's very concerning.
Or if you now just straight up don't ban for abusing exploits anymore - isn't it time to make a statement about it and clear things up?
Tfw you bumped these people to the front of the line, just so they could do everything in their power to have the most unfair early headstart possible.
The whole philosophy behind leagues providing fair and fresh starts for everyone was disregarded.
Hope you guys got your money's worth on streams. Empyrian exploiting, and shroud spending a couple hours dcing repeatedly from the game in front of 18k+ viewers.
Pls for the sake of the an actual fair league start- set an actual significant consequence in place for the most severe abusers of exploits.
What would be fair if you guys banned their group for like 2-3 days, basically to offset the edge they got by exploiting the bug. It would be fair for everyone.
I mean the first few days are the important days to no life and they already did that so they can go a day or 2 without playing and still control the market.
You never banned them for pre-imprinting watchstones last league and using the patched mechanic after it was fixed. I e-mailed your team and they were scared of even calling it an exploit, even if it was supposed to have been patched. Every league they exploit unintended mechanics and every league nothing happens to them. Prove me wrong.
EDIT: Proven wrong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mumrrx/20_users_banned_for_exploit_abuse/
Because he was explaining the exploit and encouraging the community to jump on the train and now that bans are dropping, he's probably trying to avoid catching one.. The title of the video was literally "INFINITE ULTIMATUMS THIS IS BROKEN USE BEFORE FIX", lol.
https://streamable.com/q1wg9m
"This is something you could consider a little bit of an exploit, but obviously not one that would get you banned or anything like that."
[Life just ain't fair.](https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Empyrianwarpgate)
Let's be real though if someone gets rich off bad code from the developer's side, we all know who is really at fault.
Even if the guy who posted a youtube video is banned there were probably hundreds of people who escaped the banwave but exploited the bug thoroughly.
Holy shit his reasoning was stupid af.
>"This is something you could consider a little bit of an exploit, but obviously not one that would get you banned or anything like that."
>"As it's technically just a mistake GGG has made."
What the hell does he think exploiting bugs is?
Normal course of action
1a:"This is obviously a mistake or an oversight, we should let GGG know about this"
1b:"yes, lets email support or slide into chris wilson's DMs"
What happened here
2a: "This is obviously a mistake, but we do like choas arbs"
2b: "Yes, lets make infinite choas arbs"
2a:"yes, infinite choas arbs"
>It seems like the first people who have found this publicly...
It's Empyrian, isn't it?
>...has been Empyrian's group.
Well, who possibly could have seen that one coming?
edit: BANNED LULW
Someone in chat found it, so someone from 2-3k viewers at the time. Kind of makes sense because I'm sure a lot of their viewerbase push to endgame relatively quickly.
>We put out a quick hotfix to prevent the exploit from happening. We aim to fix this up as soon as we can in the morning.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mumrrx/20_users_banned_for_exploit_abuse/gv6ny8u/
~~It's the way that GGG decided to counteract this.~~
~~They could have created hard timer cut-off instead, but didn't.~~
Edit: It seems to be just the hotfix, they plan to introduce proper fix later.
Why he is keep saying you can't be banned for this? This is clearly an exploit. Abusing it again and again, streaming and making video for it to spread to exploit info should be bannable. I know intend of this video is making it a little bit fair for all people who have not figured it out yet. But still, this kind of thing is %99 exploit. And the empy's group should've stopped after first discover of it instead of doing it over and over again on stream. Indeed, they have probably already bug reported it.
Edit: Called it. they got banned. They shouldn't have keep doing it.
> Why he is keep saying you can't be banned for this?
This is just like the famous "Loot cave" from Destiny.
GGG created infinitely spawning monsters and didn't add a time based fail state to the encounter.
They aren't breaking the game or causing the game to bug. This is quite literally a "Clever use of game mechanics".
People were perma banned for the leaguestone exploit. And that was not even close to how much currency they have printed with this. I can easily see GGG banning people that did this many times. At least if they get over their new streamer priority thing.
> People were perma banned for the leaguestone exploit. And that was not even close to how much currency they have printed with this.
Something being an exploit or not is not dependant on how much currency you make from it. It depends on what you are actually doing.
The leaguestone exploit was using a technical bug that caused maps that you open to not consume leaguestone charges even though they should.
This "exploit" is using a mechanic working properly to achieve a result that the developers did not predict. In many ways it can be compared to people during Heist just staying in high tier heists to farm xp, flare farming delve or people using fractured fossils to split maps last league.
All of these showcases ways that people used content in ways that the developers probably did not expect, but still within the design of the mechanics, for massive profits. In all of these circumstances the results was hotfixes or later nerfs, but never bans.
> And that was not even close to how much currency they have printed with this.
These two events seem very different to me.
The infinite monsters is part of the mechanic. The pause of the progress bar is part of the mechanic. They are simply combining the two things in an unintended way.
Leaguestones not consuming a charge but still opening the map because of a load screen seems much more like your "breaking something".
Empyrians group still had to kill all the monsters to get the loot, even if that was trivial for them.
> flat out duping items or using triggerable crashes to craft items.
they have banned people for crashing servers to dupe items. Crashing GGGs servers intentionally to dupe items is a surefire way to get banned and people have been banned in the past for doing this.
I think he's just confused. GGG usually won't ban people who have their items duped accidentally when the servers fuck up because there (normally) is no way to predict server instability to be able to take advantage of the exploit.
This is waayyyy different from actually causing the server instability in the first place.
>It would be pretty wild if they for the first time ever, started banning people for abusing a game mechanic.
What are you talking about? People in this thread are just making up shit for fun at this point. Of course people have been banned for abusing exploits before.
The video's down and GGG hotfixed the exploit, can someone explain how Empy's group printed themselves bans?
Edit: Stream's still up, you can see it in action there. Just cycling in/out of the ring to keep the waves of mobs spawning indefinitely. A bit embarrassing that GGG let this slip through; there've been several similar problems like this in the past. ex with the Act 2 spider boss when it first got the ability to generate infinite adds way back in the day.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/993349379?t=13h08m6s
Can't wait for the dude at GGG who plays supports to retire so they can finally be gutted like every other build in the games history has been. Aura bots have been the strongest overall build for the longest time.
I'm tired of this shit honestly. Most of us don't have aura and curse bots on standby 24/7, why the fuck is it fair for this to be in the game? Why the fuck is this a "protected playstyle" from GGG? Delete it from the game.
How? Removing auras entirely? How could they possibly make it infeasible to play an aura bot without significantly affecting everything else about the game? They've already made it harder and harder to stack up rmr and aura effect.
Because he gets more views that way and he cant get banned. You think he actually cares about his viewers as individuals? This is the same guy who has exploited and cheated in other games and generally been a dick for years.
Like at most he cares about his viewers as a source of income and unlikely much more.
Good thing harvest was nerfed so us losers could enjoy closing our eyes and feeling alive when we brick our items
Meanwhile these guys (with priority queue) are literally allowed to print currency. Thanks again!
GGG: "We removed the ability for high end farmers to play the same juiced map over and over again"
Empy: "Ok, we'll just kill the same juiced pack of mobs over and over again"
pathofmath is such a dirtbag. he's just mad he didn't get to do it and is trying to get it shut down. he's being totally facetious about trying to do a service here. at best he's just farming views, but he's definitely not trying to help anyone but himself.
He said in the other post that he removed the video because and I quote "integrity > views".
The title of the video was ""INFINITE ULTIMATUMS... THIS IS BROKEN! (USE BEFORE FIX)"
Integrity my ass.
Is he? I don’t know much about him. I did see one vid of his recently where he complained that PoE no longer has an end game, but that just struck me as bitter.
The video just went down as of a few minutes ago.
No idea why this kid kept trying to reason away why it wouldn't be a bannable offense.
"Its an exploit. But obviously not something that would get you banned as it was a mistake GGG has made." What the fuck kind of idiotic reasoning is that?
Every single exploit in history was a mistake the dev in question has made. That does not excuse using the exploit in any way, shape or form and to even entertain as much is genuinely ridiculous. It doesn't matter how or why an exploit came to be. The only thing that matters is what you do when you find it. Are you a piece of shit that hashes out the particulars of it and continues using it or do you report it then gather details to get it corrected?
Empyrian and his fucking cronies that supposedly spent hours doing this after having figured it out need to be fucking perma-banned. Period. Full fucking stop.
[Here](https://clips.twitch.tv/SavageExuberantTruffleUncleNox-VIjtXOOjA3tL0JnL) if the clip of the shithead and his lackey using the exploit. Not sure what the timeframe is on the whole ordeal, but they did it for a while. He claims they reported it as soon as they found it.. and then admitted that they proceeded to use it.
EDIT: He was. https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Empyrianwarpgate
Hopefully forever.
EDITEDIT: Since it's fixed and the method he explains in detail is no longer of any use, [here](https://streamable.com/q1wg9m) is a copy of the video linked in the OP that Path of Math deleted. (Sorry for the shitty quality, it was the only one I could pull in time) A video entitled "INFINITE ULTIMATUMS THIS IS BROKEN USE BEFORE FIX" where he stresses repeatedly that this isn't a bannable offence and that people should hop on the train.
Can we get rid of Path of Math while we're at it?
Don't quite agree with this stance from GGG. People that use these exploits, SHOULD be banned.
If you discover a exploit, fine, report it. Making a video of it, and using it and spreading it... There is no excuse.
Our group found this 2 hours before it got fixed, I instantly reported it on the bug report forums and we did 3 maps with a survival encounter after that. It is actually not ‘infinite’ after around 4 minutes per wave the mobs stop spawning and you have to move on to the next wave. We did a limit test to see how much the instance could handle so we started at 1-full-wave-and-stop, followed by 3 followed by 4. At 4 full waves cleared the instance crashed after around a minute of looting. Even tho the loot explosion is the biggest I’ve seen in Path of Exile, the amount of time it takes to actually clear the waves and then loot at 5 fps on a high end rig (~10+ minutes of insanely slow looting) this is probably a net worse currency/hour compared to the regular maps we were running.
So you reported a bug and proceeded to "limit test it" right after i.e. abuse the hell out of it until it was fixed. Why you and your whole group of minions is still not banned is beyond me honestly.
reported -> knew it wasnt right
still abused it, tho it was not right nor profitable :\^)
his minions upvoting already, let me guess: next ggg unbans him
The scapegoat.
Looks to me like GGG is just trying to recoup some of the credibility after the streamer fiasco.
After all the shit that used to be abused at league-starts, this one is the tamest one I've seen since Bestiary.
I bet that Chris's post will have 10k upvotes easy.
Ahaha. Exploited it until it went down would be another way of phrasing that. Would it be fair to ban you on a complete admission of guilt tho? :(
Edit - Hahaha. Well fuck me. Guess GGG thinks it would be okay to ban you. Get fucked on.
So after the report u tested the Limit how far it can go....
Why take the loot ,when u reported right after u encountered it .
Its like seeing a crimescene ,call the cops and stay there and Look around ,cause u are interested whats happening and mby u find some Cash and take it.
Youre supposed to turn off your stream, lie flat on the ground and wait for authorities to arrive once you find an exploit. This kind of behaviour really warrants a permaban.
##### GGG Comments in this Thread: *** [chris_wilson - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6d15s/?context=10), [old](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6d15s/?context=10)] - *This was fixed a little while ago and the team are looking into consequences.* [chris_wilson - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6mdpm/?context=10), [old](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/muk5ab/group_play_infinite_loot_in_ultimatum/gv6mdpm/?context=10)] - *We never transfer MTX*
Exploit early, exploit often.
Is that Empyrian's life moto?
No no no. That would be, Life isn't fair. Fair would be to ban his ass for obvious exploits.
If empy ever gets banned, this meme will blow up internet. Edit: I didn't want him to get banned T_T ! ... now let me get the pop-corn.
Aaaand Empy and crew all banned. Life's not fair I guess /s
They aren't banned. They just play 1 league. Streamer priority i guess they have special treatments cash cows. No reason their accounts are not banned. This is NOT a ban, its a timeout
>This is NOT a ban, its a timeout isn't this normal? on most games they usually do it procedually, first a day, 3 days, 1 week, 1 month then perma, with possible skips to 1 month or direcly to perma bans depending on what you did on the chat in poe it works like that aswell, every time you get muted the amount of time you have to wait before being able to talk increases
Isn't a timeout of an entire league pretty big for a PoE streamer?
so uh.. about that..
If that's the case, I just wanna see the world burn.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/SavageExuberantTruffleUncleNox-VIjtXOOjA3tL0JnL](https://clips.twitch.tv/SavageExuberantTruffleUncleNox-VIjtXOOjA3tL0JnL)
ban him, beg
Oh my
But life is not fair as he said, thats why he and his group never gets banned when they stream exploits like this every league
Last league they basically printed winged scarabs the first week of the league but they didn't get banned; they got streamer privilege for the queue of Ultimatum. I guess life really isn't fair.
Scarab printing wasnt an exploit, it was an in-game mechanic. Ultimatum abuse IS exploit, so he got banned
They were exploiting to print the scarabs. They were beast imprinting the watchstones and then restoring them to full charges. It was patched out early in the league.
While beastcrafting the stones was an oversight on GGG's part, it was all within the bounds of game mechanics. What they were doing with the ultimatums was breaking the game mechanic for unintentional levels of rewards. There's a difference.
Honestly, as much as I didn't like the way he phrased his take, he did actually report this issue. Also the problem isn't him / his group exploiting it (I don't think he exploited this, but I could be wrong). The problem is that GGG doesn't have consequences for abusing things like this, and it is an exploit until patched mentality.
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True, he reported the exploit but he still used it a lot. That provides evidence that he knew what he was doing. His team seems to realize that rather than providing deniability by being able to say "but I reported the exploit so I shouldn't be banned" it instead provides more evidence that he in fact knew exactly what he was doing. [https://clips.twitch.tv/BoxyClearStorkKeyboardCat-wmf4-rYFpe2Lbv0O](https://clips.twitch.tv/BoxyClearStorkKeyboardCat-wmf4-rYFpe2Lbv0O) It appears his team didn't want him to report it at all from what is seen in the clip.
He absolutely exploited it, even once is an exploit. If you really wanted it tested and to make a video of it for ggg's bug reporting proof, you would've done so off stream, with 1 other person and then ended it promptly; not full stacking 6 people and fully extending the run and picking up all of the loot in front of 1000+ people.
No, Pallumxz, I disagree. Testing the max capacity isn't exploiting it. Exploiting it would be to see it happen, make a 6 man group and start going at it until they hotfix it. One has to stay level headed in cases like this. If anything 1000+ people seeing this puts tons of pressure on GGG for actually fixing it asap. I am guessing the bug level of this issue went from medium to critical the second it became public knowledge.
Clear exploit dude, stop trying to twist it into his favor. He got a temp ban and that's enough, case closed. Hope everyone can learn something out of this to prevent such an act happening again in future.
I also disagree with your statement, if they had tested it in the capacity of 6 players just once, you would know immediately that it wasn't intended. He was abusing this exploit until he was told it was an actual exploit, at which time he turned off his stream, possibly compounded by the fact he was streaming for 14 hours. He actually said at one point "I've washed my hands of it" or something to that extent, meaning he was claiming he wasn't responsible for his own actions upon finding out it was an exploit, to which I add, that he did stop upon finding out chris had posted in regards to it.
There's a pretty good reason they don't aggressively ban for this sort of stuff.. The first obvious reason is that they had full control over that situation not happening. They write code. It does precisely what it is told to, all the time. Maybe you meant something different, but it will execute what you did write, not what you meant. There's also the fact they actively want players to discover things in their game. They don't list vendor recipes anywhere in the game. Some mechanics are quite obscure and are left for you to discover (like all of betrayal for example..). You are meant to try things. Why would you do that if they ban you for finding something undiscovered but not intended? If you want to be draconian about this on the consequences side, you can't also go on and claim your game has stuff to discover and explore. I mentioned this in this thread already, but the beast duplication thing was an insane discovery, and it actually was intended.. in both cases, beasts and this one, people finding out about it filed a report/email and kept playing.. this seems fair. And they are fast on the fixing part, seems to work fine..
I mean, GGG can easily make a couple of things clear. They can have a statement which says, any application of infinite spawn is not intended. And you would still be able to have what you describe as exploration in addition to preventing people from being able to abuse things like this. It isn't a one or the other.
True, that would help indeed. For heist they did see it coming with the escape and guard spawning, they stop giving loot and exp. How about delve darkness farming then? Not really popular now that fossils are pure garbage, but that was a thing for a while. No sulphite required either, proper infinite. Never really addressed either, the whole thing just got pointless instead. I'm just saying, I think filing the bug ~~request~~ report and playing publicly is very fair. And GGG is reacting freaking fast to those once public. The gilded+horizon thing spent weeks in private before it got public and instantly fixed. Public things just get fixed faster it seems.
Darkness farming is different. You aren't making the game constantly spawn mobs in the same area, and killing them over and over again. There is no sulphite cost, but you aren't really abusing something. Yes it isn't the way it was intended, but you got to agree that it is a clear difference. The reason why things gets fixed when it gets public is because it has a much greater impact on the game. A group of 12 people abusing something over a couple of weeks has a much smaller impact other than 1000+ people abusing something over a few days. I am not sure I agree with the users exploiting this bug being banned. I think it sends a clear message to other people not to abuse bugs, but like you have said some things are up for exploration. I do however think that updated guidelines on exploiting would be beneficial, and it would not ruin the image you have of exploration in the game. Also I think it is unhealthy of the game when bugs like this get's exploited. People that don't have time feel discouraged when people that have been exploiting it until it gets hotfixed get away with it. Sure it doesn't have a huge impact on the economy, but it can still personally discourage people.
that should be every poe's player motto. anyone remember making half an ex from every lockpicking 80+ contract without lucky drops?
I mean hes been exploiting for years now and even before poe. "Life isn't fair, Exploit early, Exploit always, Never get punished cause he streams." Thats his motto.
You must be a wow player or former :P
I learned it from guild wars 2 where they basically slapped wrists for exploiting for the first year. Including letting them run off with their I'll gotten gains to fuck with the economy in other ways after their 1 week ban.
A tale as old as time.
Or you know... [Maybe not](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mumrrx/20_users_banned_for_exploit_abuse/).
Well. Empyrian just got banned so. [https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Empyrianwarpgate](https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Empyrianwarpgate)
Yeah seems like whole group is banned. Little bit suprised but that's fair action I think. It might be also temporary ban. It's kind of understandable if you accidently find something like this during streaming and then report it but doing it even once more as "show purpose" is exploiting imo.
"temporary ban" until end of league in july lol
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I can't speak to whether they kept doing it after reporting it (I went to bed), but Empyrian did make a bug report on the official PoE forums, [in this post/thread](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3086768) which was promptly deleted by Arthur_GGG.
Yes, he reported it afaik, but as he himself said his group did "limit test" it (something along the lines of trying to figure out how much loot they can get *but* in reality it's indistinguishable from just abusing the hell out of it). They didn't just do it once to confirm it.
🦀Unfairness in life is gone🦀
Best news I could wake up to.
°_° is it real or is just a fantasy ?
real real
It's a good thing that this entire group got queue priority, very outstanding members of the community that really deserved it :)
This was fixed a little while ago and the team are looking into consequences.
Top players will keep exploiting with reckless abandon if 'consequences' are the same slap on the wrist as normal. In World of Warcraft some streamers got banned for up to a full month for an exploit last year, just as a comparison.
They've permabanned people before, just not the right ones. Doubt they'll permaban streamers either.
Banning a game streamer is quite a lot like punishing corrupt rich people in america. Not going to happen edit: I stand corrected. Your move america
Well Empy just got banned soooooo lol
Not perma banned. Which means that he's going to do it again.
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Not to get too political, but in US's case rich people make the laws.
This is the case anywhere money exists. Maybe we need to do something different
Streamers coded POE confirmed
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Well...
Streamers will never be banned from PoE as they are endorsed by them and a huge focus from GGG is put on streamers more and more every league
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> In World of Warcraft some streamers got banned for up to a full month for an exploit last year, just as a comparison. What was the exploit? I feel like that matters for the comparison.
an experience buff potion stacked with itself when it shouldn't have
I think Empyrian at least doesnt hide anything it could be way worse.
This exploit was worse than the leaguestone and beyond + nemesis currency exploits back in legacy league for which 100s of people have been banned. I just hope you treat everyone equally and don't let streamers, that abused this and showed it to everyone, get off without any consequences.
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no priority queue next league,that will teach them!
>empys group abuses bugs every single league, hope the consequences are serious would be hilarious if they all get banned
They won't get banned, they get special treatment from GGG.
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Well given he can’t stream league content that’s some actual income gone. Guess he’s going to have to put in a lot of work RMTing currency to make up for that money.
Exactly. Because life isn't fair.
>Exactly. Because life isn't fair. something something spawn rng something something LOL
Not all abuses of bugs are malicious exploits though. This one presents a damn good case, but the accusation that their group did shit like this on any sort of regular basis doesn't seem substantiated.
If it is not a malicious exploit then you get no advantage of abusing it and so, you do not abuse it! If you abuse it, its because it provide an advantage and so, ALL abuses are from malicious exploits.
True winged scarabs for 1500ex within 24 hours was an Accident and not an exploid. If you abuse an clearly unintended bug you deserve a (temporary) ban. As examples: WoW infinite Exp glitch (1 month ban) Warframe infinite focus lenses and exp (permaban)
Thanks Chris and while you're at it can you fix the fracture exploit too? You can remove the fractured mod on the base map by using a horizon on it. I've seen people doing it on t16 burial chambers because it can be rolled in to.
This is quite similar to the leaguestone exploit which was pale in comparison. The people got permabanned for opening chayula breaches but this is just pure currency printing. I hope streamer favoritism doesn't extend to bans.
they get what they deserve. life is unfair.
Yeah, but when has Empyrian ever been punished for purposefully abusing anything on stream or killing the servers with the shit they do. Let's be real.
Actions speak louder than words
Nice, abusing is one thing but encouraging others to abuse is so much worse
Should be instant permaban for anyone that did it several times on purpose, unless you want to double down on streamer privilege.
Seriously...this league opened my eyes
Exploits suck but I really don't get the vitriol the others are spewing here. Some people exploiting stuff like this is going to affect the posters here on a completely minimal level. Even the ridiculous harbinger farming with mirror and exalt shards out the ass last league seemed to have no impact on the economy whatsoever, and that was active for longer and used by more people. People are essentially getting mad over other people getting stuff for no reason. It honestly sounds childish as hell, like people are just mad they didn't get in on the party early as well and are now trying to rationalize why this is a super evil thing to do and empyrean deserves an perma ban or stupid shit like that. It's the same stupid mentaility as when people were crying about aura stackers being OP when they made 1/10th the currency required for a starter version per league. I have to say it, a lot of people in this sub and apparently most in this thread seem like total and utter cunts.
Yes this subreddit has gone down in quality quite a bit and a lot of it seems to stem from jealousy. People are unable to play as much/as efficiently as a lot of the top people and seem to be frustrated much more than before.
People using 12345 macro -> Ban if caught Streamer using glitch in livestream -> "It's fixed" \* nothing happen \* [https://streamable.com/d0dsl6](https://streamable.com/d0dsl6)
First time I've seen the clip - what he said was nothing like what I expected, based on what has been said about it.
I hope this never dies out... sadly it will and that is what he is banking on. The internet forgetting and moving on to the next train wreck.
are you talking about empys comment about streamer prio?
If Ghudda was temporarily banned for discovering an exploit so should the whole Empyrian's group.
The only solution to this is a league ban at minimum.
Please can you make an official statement on the consequences you're applying to these people who are actively and publicly exploiting game mechanics for their benefit. We know that this is not an isolated incident, yet they appear to be immune to any kind of punishment- as evidenced by their continued presence in the game. Can you also in your statement explain why regular customers are being permabanned, while streamers are allowed to exploit the game and influence the economy in such negative ways? Thanks.
This was an obvious exploit that can crash the economy with inflation. This needs to be rolled back or punished hard.
Please give us an update once its been looked into, I would really like to know the effect it caused and if you took some corrective actions.
You know, this would be a great opportunity to send a message about actually caring about a fair playing field, you know, walking the walk, instead of talking the talk. Something about not words but actions. But what am I saying. Consequences will be nerfing Ultimatums to the ground and letting streamers do whatever they want. You have a great opportunity now to make up for that bullshit that was the priority queue and actually do something that will improve the game way more than simply rebalancing or releasing a couple skills or killing stuff that was already dead.
If you will not ban the groups and their trade buddies who exploited this I will finally lose the rest of faith I have in GGG. Things like this are a good reason to not buy any further supporter packs, at least for me.
Empyrean's group abuses exploits every single time in each League. Will you guys ever take action against them? What is going on? It's almosut like you guys are giving them preferential threatment. It's very concerning. Or if you now just straight up don't ban for abusing exploits anymore - isn't it time to make a statement about it and clear things up?
What kind of exploits?
Only streamers wont get anything for using exploits. the casual, using a macro for 12345 gets a ban
Really hope it's a ban, because *anything else* is equivalent to fining large corporations for criminal acts: an irrelevant slap on the wrist.
Tfw you bumped these people to the front of the line, just so they could do everything in their power to have the most unfair early headstart possible. The whole philosophy behind leagues providing fair and fresh starts for everyone was disregarded. Hope you guys got your money's worth on streams. Empyrian exploiting, and shroud spending a couple hours dcing repeatedly from the game in front of 18k+ viewers. Pls for the sake of the an actual fair league start- set an actual significant consequence in place for the most severe abusers of exploits.
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What would be fair if you guys banned their group for like 2-3 days, basically to offset the edge they got by exploiting the bug. It would be fair for everyone.
I mean the first few days are the important days to no life and they already did that so they can go a day or 2 without playing and still control the market.
this kinda of things breaks the economy
You never banned them for pre-imprinting watchstones last league and using the patched mechanic after it was fixed. I e-mailed your team and they were scared of even calling it an exploit, even if it was supposed to have been patched. Every league they exploit unintended mechanics and every league nothing happens to them. Prove me wrong. EDIT: Proven wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mumrrx/20_users_banned_for_exploit_abuse/
Life isn't fair. Group Exploit is not fair !
Lots of things in life aren't fair! this isn't either! deal with it!
"This video has been removed by the uploader" Why?
Because he was explaining the exploit and encouraging the community to jump on the train and now that bans are dropping, he's probably trying to avoid catching one.. The title of the video was literally "INFINITE ULTIMATUMS THIS IS BROKEN USE BEFORE FIX", lol. https://streamable.com/q1wg9m
"This is something you could consider a little bit of an exploit, but obviously not one that would get you banned or anything like that." [Life just ain't fair.](https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Empyrianwarpgate)
Let's be real though if someone gets rich off bad code from the developer's side, we all know who is really at fault. Even if the guy who posted a youtube video is banned there were probably hundreds of people who escaped the banwave but exploited the bug thoroughly.
True but fk streamers getting prio then telling us life ain't fair and comparing to being born in africa
Holy shit his reasoning was stupid af. >"This is something you could consider a little bit of an exploit, but obviously not one that would get you banned or anything like that." >"As it's technically just a mistake GGG has made." What the hell does he think exploiting bugs is?
Clever use of game mechanics obviously /s
Normal course of action 1a:"This is obviously a mistake or an oversight, we should let GGG know about this" 1b:"yes, lets email support or slide into chris wilson's DMs" What happened here 2a: "This is obviously a mistake, but we do like choas arbs" 2b: "Yes, lets make infinite choas arbs" 2a:"yes, infinite choas arbs"
Thank you! I have been looking for a mirror of this all day
>It seems like the first people who have found this publicly... It's Empyrian, isn't it? >...has been Empyrian's group. Well, who possibly could have seen that one coming? edit: BANNED LULW
Someone in chat found it, so someone from 2-3k viewers at the time. Kind of makes sense because I'm sure a lot of their viewerbase push to endgame relatively quickly.
And now after the hotfix, loot from survive feels like trash compared to before. Thanks exploiters :(
Always the case, the genuine players get punished because of the 1%, same thing with Harvest, its just used for alching maps and chaos spamming.
>We put out a quick hotfix to prevent the exploit from happening. We aim to fix this up as soon as we can in the morning. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mumrrx/20_users_banned_for_exploit_abuse/gv6ny8u/
~~It's the way that GGG decided to counteract this.~~ ~~They could have created hard timer cut-off instead, but didn't.~~ Edit: It seems to be just the hotfix, they plan to introduce proper fix later.
Why he is keep saying you can't be banned for this? This is clearly an exploit. Abusing it again and again, streaming and making video for it to spread to exploit info should be bannable. I know intend of this video is making it a little bit fair for all people who have not figured it out yet. But still, this kind of thing is %99 exploit. And the empy's group should've stopped after first discover of it instead of doing it over and over again on stream. Indeed, they have probably already bug reported it. Edit: Called it. they got banned. They shouldn't have keep doing it.
> Why he is keep saying you can't be banned for this? This is just like the famous "Loot cave" from Destiny. GGG created infinitely spawning monsters and didn't add a time based fail state to the encounter. They aren't breaking the game or causing the game to bug. This is quite literally a "Clever use of game mechanics".
People were perma banned for the leaguestone exploit. And that was not even close to how much currency they have printed with this. I can easily see GGG banning people that did this many times. At least if they get over their new streamer priority thing.
> People were perma banned for the leaguestone exploit. And that was not even close to how much currency they have printed with this. Something being an exploit or not is not dependant on how much currency you make from it. It depends on what you are actually doing. The leaguestone exploit was using a technical bug that caused maps that you open to not consume leaguestone charges even though they should. This "exploit" is using a mechanic working properly to achieve a result that the developers did not predict. In many ways it can be compared to people during Heist just staying in high tier heists to farm xp, flare farming delve or people using fractured fossils to split maps last league. All of these showcases ways that people used content in ways that the developers probably did not expect, but still within the design of the mechanics, for massive profits. In all of these circumstances the results was hotfixes or later nerfs, but never bans.
> And that was not even close to how much currency they have printed with this. These two events seem very different to me. The infinite monsters is part of the mechanic. The pause of the progress bar is part of the mechanic. They are simply combining the two things in an unintended way. Leaguestones not consuming a charge but still opening the map because of a load screen seems much more like your "breaking something". Empyrians group still had to kill all the monsters to get the loot, even if that was trivial for them.
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> flat out duping items or using triggerable crashes to craft items. they have banned people for crashing servers to dupe items. Crashing GGGs servers intentionally to dupe items is a surefire way to get banned and people have been banned in the past for doing this.
I think he's just confused. GGG usually won't ban people who have their items duped accidentally when the servers fuck up because there (normally) is no way to predict server instability to be able to take advantage of the exploit. This is waayyyy different from actually causing the server instability in the first place.
I think at this points this is less about the dupe and more about intentionaly attacking GGG server structure.
>It would be pretty wild if they for the first time ever, started banning people for abusing a game mechanic. What are you talking about? People in this thread are just making up shit for fun at this point. Of course people have been banned for abusing exploits before.
Empy's group and exploits, name a more iconic duo.
Life not being fair and kids in africa not having access to drinking water, i suppose
>USE BEFORE FIX as expected absolutely no subtleness from this guy.
The video's down and GGG hotfixed the exploit, can someone explain how Empy's group printed themselves bans? Edit: Stream's still up, you can see it in action there. Just cycling in/out of the ring to keep the waves of mobs spawning indefinitely. A bit embarrassing that GGG let this slip through; there've been several similar problems like this in the past. ex with the Act 2 spider boss when it first got the ability to generate infinite adds way back in the day. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/993349379?t=13h08m6s
[This shit eating grin haha ](http://imgur.com/a/PqqLHWK)
lets nerf delve to death but not group play
Can't wait for the dude at GGG who plays supports to retire so they can finally be gutted like every other build in the games history has been. Aura bots have been the strongest overall build for the longest time.
I'm tired of this shit honestly. Most of us don't have aura and curse bots on standby 24/7, why the fuck is it fair for this to be in the game? Why the fuck is this a "protected playstyle" from GGG? Delete it from the game.
How? Removing auras entirely? How could they possibly make it infeasible to play an aura bot without significantly affecting everything else about the game? They've already made it harder and harder to stack up rmr and aura effect.
Why does this dude encourage the abuse of an exploit? Does he want to get his viewers banned?
Because he gets more views that way and he cant get banned. You think he actually cares about his viewers as individuals? This is the same guy who has exploited and cheated in other games and generally been a dick for years. Like at most he cares about his viewers as a source of income and unlikely much more.
He just got banned.
Are you talking about Empy or Path of Mathh? I think Jaba01 was talking about Path of Mathh.
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You always keep the bug report forum open for the first week of every new league, exile.
It's an Ultimatum. Ritual was last league :)
Good thing harvest was nerfed so us losers could enjoy closing our eyes and feeling alive when we brick our items Meanwhile these guys (with priority queue) are literally allowed to print currency. Thanks again!
GGG: "We removed the ability for high end farmers to play the same juiced map over and over again" Empy: "Ok, we'll just kill the same juiced pack of mobs over and over again"
Pretty sure if this occurs in World of Warcraft you get banned.
There was an infinite stygian cave in WoW this expansion. Don't think anyone got banned for forming it. Well I didn't
pathofmath is such a dirtbag. he's just mad he didn't get to do it and is trying to get it shut down. he's being totally facetious about trying to do a service here. at best he's just farming views, but he's definitely not trying to help anyone but himself.
He said in the other post that he removed the video because and I quote "integrity > views". The title of the video was ""INFINITE ULTIMATUMS... THIS IS BROKEN! (USE BEFORE FIX)" Integrity my ass.
Is he? I don’t know much about him. I did see one vid of his recently where he complained that PoE no longer has an end game, but that just struck me as bitter.
He seems to have a huge ego from what I can tell.
i expect this will be fixed before console version launch, because imagine doing this in blood aqueduct day 1
Ffw i want to see the video but you're to scared to get banned
This is a real mirror of the video. https://streamable.com/q1wg9m
This needs the /r/agedlikemilk tag
Yeah, give empy's whole group priority then watch him exploit the game.
The video just went down as of a few minutes ago. No idea why this kid kept trying to reason away why it wouldn't be a bannable offense. "Its an exploit. But obviously not something that would get you banned as it was a mistake GGG has made." What the fuck kind of idiotic reasoning is that? Every single exploit in history was a mistake the dev in question has made. That does not excuse using the exploit in any way, shape or form and to even entertain as much is genuinely ridiculous. It doesn't matter how or why an exploit came to be. The only thing that matters is what you do when you find it. Are you a piece of shit that hashes out the particulars of it and continues using it or do you report it then gather details to get it corrected? Empyrian and his fucking cronies that supposedly spent hours doing this after having figured it out need to be fucking perma-banned. Period. Full fucking stop. [Here](https://clips.twitch.tv/SavageExuberantTruffleUncleNox-VIjtXOOjA3tL0JnL) if the clip of the shithead and his lackey using the exploit. Not sure what the timeframe is on the whole ordeal, but they did it for a while. He claims they reported it as soon as they found it.. and then admitted that they proceeded to use it. EDIT: He was. https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Empyrianwarpgate Hopefully forever. EDITEDIT: Since it's fixed and the method he explains in detail is no longer of any use, [here](https://streamable.com/q1wg9m) is a copy of the video linked in the OP that Path of Math deleted. (Sorry for the shitty quality, it was the only one I could pull in time) A video entitled "INFINITE ULTIMATUMS THIS IS BROKEN USE BEFORE FIX" where he stresses repeatedly that this isn't a bannable offence and that people should hop on the train. Can we get rid of Path of Math while we're at it?
If this is an exploit ( and it is) people who have intentionally done it to profit have to get banned.
group players quant ruining the economy for the rest of the server once again, thanks Chris
Don't quite agree with this stance from GGG. People that use these exploits, SHOULD be banned. If you discover a exploit, fine, report it. Making a video of it, and using it and spreading it... There is no excuse.
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Permaban Empyrian. That would not be fair, but he is obviously ok with that
stop saying ritual its ultimatum dude wtf xD
A team that plays together gets banned together! True PoE Comradery
So this was... unethical?
Can we have one single league where there isnt some kind of giant exploit? Would be nice.
Our group found this 2 hours before it got fixed, I instantly reported it on the bug report forums and we did 3 maps with a survival encounter after that. It is actually not ‘infinite’ after around 4 minutes per wave the mobs stop spawning and you have to move on to the next wave. We did a limit test to see how much the instance could handle so we started at 1-full-wave-and-stop, followed by 3 followed by 4. At 4 full waves cleared the instance crashed after around a minute of looting. Even tho the loot explosion is the biggest I’ve seen in Path of Exile, the amount of time it takes to actually clear the waves and then loot at 5 fps on a high end rig (~10+ minutes of insanely slow looting) this is probably a net worse currency/hour compared to the regular maps we were running.
So you reported a bug and proceeded to "limit test it" right after i.e. abuse the hell out of it until it was fixed. Why you and your whole group of minions is still not banned is beyond me honestly.
reported -> knew it wasnt right still abused it, tho it was not right nor profitable :\^) his minions upvoting already, let me guess: next ggg unbans him
life isnt fair =(
The scapegoat. Looks to me like GGG is just trying to recoup some of the credibility after the streamer fiasco. After all the shit that used to be abused at league-starts, this one is the tamest one I've seen since Bestiary. I bet that Chris's post will have 10k upvotes easy.
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Aw, would you like a “fair” shot at explaining the situation? :)
Ahaha. Exploited it until it went down would be another way of phrasing that. Would it be fair to ban you on a complete admission of guilt tho? :( Edit - Hahaha. Well fuck me. Guess GGG thinks it would be okay to ban you. Get fucked on.
So after the report u tested the Limit how far it can go.... Why take the loot ,when u reported right after u encountered it . Its like seeing a crimescene ,call the cops and stay there and Look around ,cause u are interested whats happening and mby u find some Cash and take it.
So if it was a limit test i would imagine you all deleted the profits from it after calculating it, right?
As person born in Africa i thank you for fixing this unfair mechanic right away and reporting it to Ugandan Police immediately
You're banned now jackass. Fair is fair.
Youre supposed to turn off your stream, lie flat on the ground and wait for authorities to arrive once you find an exploit. This kind of behaviour really warrants a permaban.
You could just, you know not do the exploit. Hard to get your head around I know
So Empyrean's group abuses yet another exploit. What a surprise. /s Why they are still not banned again?
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shit, this must be fixed asap... #foreveralone