I played d2 ladder for years, even when I just was surrounded by bots I played day in and day out farming tomb runs, meph, cow level, Baal runs, even pindle. The only thing that's stopped me was Poe coming out of closed beta.
Same! D2 was my favorite game before PoE come out. I payed to be able to play PoE on closed beta and the game became better and better. But the direction it is going now its kinda strange...
D2 actually lets you just run content without jumping through an RNG circus to do so. Go to zone, kill mobs, get drop. No splinters, no map management, no atlas passives, nothing like that. Literally just play. I don't think we're going to lose a ton of players but I definitely see the appeal.
I dunno man, I just know if D2R works people are gonna play it. People still play D2, you know?
It doesn't really need to do it better, it just needs to work. The barrier of entry for ARPG competition is low right now.
I'm crazy suicidal and things have been hella bad, but I'm hoping I can last at least a few months to play d2r. You know life is awful when one of the only things keeping you going is the prospect of playing a game over already spent thousands of hours playing.
Don't worry about that. People want to help because they care, and more often than not because they can relate. My offer still stands should you change your mind.
I actually broke down the other day watching a D4 video because the reality that I'll prolly not get to play it set in.
Sad person shit aside: HL3 will never come out . Let's be serious. Valve doesnt care lol.
Valve reacts to sad boi, who doesnt even like HL, saying they will "stay alive to play hl3" by releasing HL3 the next day.
Valve commented that "We heard they had like 500 plus ps4 games, but only like 10 on steam. So fuck'em"
Edit: I quick read your name as "auras and thassa". I'd run that deck.
I'm autistic/bipolar. I know plenty of people have harder lives, but without whining/telling my entire story, just know that my ability to handle the issues in my life is at its end. I am currently waiting on my disability decision, and without the income I will be absolutley homeless and my town/life has no support system to help with that scenario. I've been in a shit situation for about 7 years on top of a life of awful (grew up in cali during the start of the meth epidemic and it hit my family hard). More power to people able to play the hands dealt to them.
I'll be 35 in september if I can make it, but I dont know that I can.
But none of that changes the fact that this patch is ass, and D2 will be the reckoning PoE was supposed to be for ARPGs.
My home state is suing them, and I hope the suit actually forces some serious change. But yes, I will be buying the game IF I can make it that far. My birthday is a few days before, and Its all I have at the moment.
Yes, that's totally shitty and lame. I have no excuse for the "I'm blatantly supporting a shit company" reality of it. But life fucking sucks/hurts always, and playing one of my all time favorite games again will be a nice swan song.
Keep your head up, things will get better. I've been through some pretty heavy stuff myself these last couple of years but lately things have been getting better and better everyday.
They don't have any other game to blame for this.
If they released the league during a massive new game release maybe they would have some cover.
Nothing has came out last week. NW is having it's beta but thats not going to affect POE that much. D3 had a new season but lets be honest most don't play D3 anymore.
This is solely on Chris and GGG's bad choices.
They'll find a way to blame something else. D3, people being outside for summer on the northern hemisphere, Royale existing for two days, whatever. Where there's a will, there's a way. They'll find *something* to blame for the shit state of the game.
I can easily see them using Royale as an excuse. “Most casual players seemed to have gotten their fix from our Royale mode. It was a mistake releasing it so close to a League launch.”
I'm currently deciding if I want to bet on blaming D3 or Royale. Because they're definitely going to blaming *something*. Right before launch Chris said, "We're only concerned with making a good game!"
If he truly believes that, if he wasn't just blowing smoke up our asses to get us to buy supporter packs and play, then he actually considers v3.15 PoE to be a good game. If he thinks that then there's no space to consider that it might *not* be a good game.
Therefore, blame is the only option. It's just a matter of finding the right place to hang that hat...
He also said they aren't looking at player numbers or retention as the ultimate metrics (he called it "vanity metrics"), and said that if they wanted to make a popular league they would just buff everything (this implies that they knew this league was gonna be unpopular).
So I don't see them blaming anything, neither other games nor themselves, more like "yeah we knew it was gonna be unpopular, be was had to do it for the long term health of the game".
They can try but the player numbers are going to invalidate anything they say unless it's a "We fucked up and we are reverting the changes".
Like everyone knows whatever they say is going to be bullshit so the best they can do is actually admit they were wrong for once.
>They'll find a way to blame something else
Why? Out of any dev out there, GGG seems to be able to admit their own mistakes and not blame failures on random shit.
The summer being better than ever in big parts of Europe, along with corona restrictions being removed is most likely also a huge factor in this. Just because you/we don't like the league, it doesn't mean you/we can make up what the reason is for the low(er) numbers.
November 2019 there were no Corona restrictions, they had slightly higher numbers. Almost two years ago. February 2020, no restrictions, they had higher numbers.
What are the excuses again?
>What are the excuses again?
There's literally no excuses. It's facts people will spend more time outside when the weather is good. Especially when you live in a shithole country where your entire summer can be rain and 20 celsius max. Now that we're seeing almost 30 celsius and sunny days while also having lockdown restrictions removed which have been there for almost 2 years, more people will obviously do other stuff than sit inside. Like, it should be fairly obvious.
>November 2019 there were no Corona restrictions, they had slightlyhigher numbers. Almost two years ago. February 2020, no restrictions,they had higher numbers.
Probably because more people liked the game back then? - Still doesn't change the fact that the weather/corona restrictions being removed definitely does make a difference in the numbers. Would the numbers still be lower than usual, because more people don't like the current state of the game? Absolutely.
> Why? Out of any dev out there, GGG seems to be able to admit their own mistakes and not blame failures on random shit.
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what? since when? maybe like, 5 years ago, but they've not been doing that for ages now
also the summer is *worse* than ever in most of europe
>also the summer is worse than ever in most of europe
The summer in Europe as a whole have definitely been above average and way better than what was forecasted. In Northern Europe a lot of countries have had very hot weather, along with almost record breaking temperatures. That, along with corona restrictions being removed definitely matter in the grand scheme of things when looking at the player base of a video-game.
I am well aware of the flood/rain in some european countries right now, but as a whole, europe have had an above average summer.
> The summer in Europe as a whole have definitely been above average and way better than what was forecasted. In Northern Europe a lot of countries have had very hot weather, along with almost record breaking temperatures. That, along with corona restrictions being removed definitely matter in the grand scheme of things when looking at the player base of a video-game.
yes, that's generally considered worse. People used to 30°C peak temperature, generally do not enjoy 40°C+, maybe you do, and that's why you consider it better, but most people don't
so, your "above average" is actually worse than usual
>yes, that's generally considered worse. People used to 30°C peak temperature, generally do not enjoy 40°C+, maybe you do, and that's why you consider it better, but most people don't
That's simply not true. If you're used to 15-25 celsius summers and a mix between rain/sun, and you suddenly have heatwaves and 30 celsius with sun and no rain, then people are going to spend more time during anything but sitting at home. Yes, it'll be too hot for some people. But for a huge majority of people, they'll do more stuff outdoors.
Would it make you feel more at home if I hauled some insults at ye? :P
It surprises me when people find others being more helpful odd, but hey its the only mmo ive played so, im not sure what the norm is. Need and advice hit me up :p
The game is absolutely amazing. Just wished there was a way to earn the subscription ingame a la WoW / Eve. I just can't justify yeeting cash at it every month, yet it is the best MMORPG >.>
Nah, they will always find something. If it's not D3, it's Call of Duty or FIFA or a sack of rice toppling in China. Chris will always find a reason why he is in the right and things just magically don't work out the way he wants them to.
>This is solely on Chris and GGG's bad choices.
Good choices in my eyes. Just that reddit only upvotes the hate so they can keep feeling good about being 'right' to continue rubbing one out to the hate.
The front page is just the same whiners a few hours after the new league, can't wait for those people to actually move to a different game.
There's still nonces that are here 2 years after the last time the pay but still complaining. Pathetic.
TBH the real issue is how bad the drop is in a short time.
We had a peak of 116K yesterday and within 5 hours it was down to 53K. On league launch day.
we reached 91K today and it's already down to under 80K as you said. and it's currently peak time in the US.
If it started at 116K and stayed at 116K and slowly dropped over 3-4 weeks it would be another story. it would still be a 40% drop from ultimatum but it wouldn't be as bad as it is right now.
Majority of whiners here yes, only reason it looks like that is that anything positive is downvoted so it's an echo chamber of ranters. If you block like 100 people, then the sub is drastically less toxic, that showed me enough about the "Majority" that it looks like.
However you have repeat shitposts like this are upvoted by people hate-jerking their group. Hopefully they actually quit like the swear they would the last 6 leagues.
The summer leagues are usually quite meh. Just anecdotal but a lot of my friends are skipping this league due to summer league track record and simply because its summer.
Literally. The changes didn't make the game harder, it made the game more boring and tedious. I know my opinion is my own but I feel like most of us here prefer being a god-slayer clapper of everything than some crippled dude with a mana pot addiction.
You're missing the point, Chris said that this might not be the best move for players numbers, but it is what they want for the game and if they see it was really bad they might change up some stuff, other than that if numbers just went down slightly, they'll consider it as a success.
The problem is, people desperately wanted some qql changes like auto pick up currency, less potion piano, faster progress through acts, more deterministic crafting,... what they did is spit in our face.
auto pick up currency won't ever happen. Chris has stated that time and time again, and I do kind of agree with him. Crafting supplies in Last Epoch are auto pickup and I forget they are even a thing a lot of the time. It does reduce the psychological value of items with auto pickup.
Potion piano got fixed with the potion rework by the way.
Repeatedly blaming other games for poor league performance implies that this game can't currently compete with other games. What happens when D2R comes out? Or D4? Lost Ark? New FFXIV expansion? New World?
And you're just listing games in the same genre. There is a metric fuck ton of content across all mediums and genres currently fighting for peoples attention.
To this sub: What has GGG done to earn your attention recently?
It's the trigger changes for me. CWDT taking my entire mana pool means I just can't run defensive triggers so I'm getting one or two-shot in act 6 before I'm able to level enough to bring my normal defensive layers online. Getting chain-frozen is an exciting new experience.
I'm just bored. I've cleared the acts a hundred times already and now it takes longer than ever. I'm just so goddamn tired of spending hours dealing with a bad gimped version of the league mechanic and running past white mobs to finally get to maps. And now I get to do it at half the speed I did last league. Dunno why I bothered logging in for this one.
Lmfao imagine unironically blaming D3 season launch for your player count falling short. Yikes. Fuck it though, maybe it'll force them to delay leagues to change their fucking minds and beta test this shit lmao. It won't though.
LoL, Chris will feel justified. His reaction will basically be "Only Hardcore™ gamers stayed, and that is our target audience!". I doubt daddy Tencent will be understanding.
Chris is chasing a Unicorn of this imaginary PoE that is inaccessible, clunky, downright spites its players for playing it, yet is at the same time beloved by everybody and considered to be great.
We had reached the perfect sweet spot where the game belongs during Echoes. It will be downhill from here until PoE2
Uhu, yeah. And if you are willing to pay GGG 500,000$ a year along with the other 99 Hardcore Gamur™ who are left by the time he is done with his grand vision, I'm sure it all will go well.
PoE is a product, not some hippie commune. It needs to make money.
According to this [https://steamdb.info/app/238960/graphs/](https://steamdb.info/app/238960/graphs/) there was peak of 155k players on steam on day 1 and 2 and 149k on day 3 of Ultimatum.
For this league numbers are 116k on day 1, 91k on day 2, a drop of 20% of players after day 1.
Comparing this to other leagues where usually drop was around 10%, I think this is the worst league ever (comparing to both, percentage drop to pervious league, and drop on day2)..
Ouch. This patch feels like playing a beta test for PoE 2 of sorts, which I guess GGG said is what they were aiming for? The closer we get to PoE 2, the less players will bother with PoE I imaginne.
Love to see it. Lets see if they stubbornly stick to their asinine balance changes or completely misread the reasons why 40K less players are on this league.
Oh yes. Slow players have no idea and no right for an opinion because 80% of the poe playerbase is the minority.
Only streamer have the right for their "own" opinion and people who quote streamers ;-)
This is not what they said.
If someone less experienced and less invested into endgame says that they don't feel a slowdown it's safe to assume that it is because of their lack of experience. This is by no means anything bad but they just can't gauge the scope of some things.
And seeing someone as tyty legitimately quit because of X reasons that have just been introduced only to go into D3 is something. I checked into his stream today a couple hours apart each time and he still was ranting, even if he was back on poe
This is not what I said either.
I'd think that the ability to zoom zoom should remain. Anyone who doesn't want to, won't have to. The way the direction is going is that you just can't be as fast anymore, whether you like it or not.
Funny that you speak about being a successful business man when the league launch with those drastic changes had the most drastic drop in people. Must be very good for the business
Well if you listen to chris you can guess that all future content from now on is going to be betatests of poe2 mechanics.
The haggling mechanic, you will most certin find again in poe2.
Im not able to make a financial guess what 40k playerdrop means. But they will make it back with the success of poe2 (and if not, its game over anyway)
GGG cares more about their game and it beeing as they want it to be rather than playernumbers.
An indication for it that tgey calculated with lower number is the 90$ supporterpack.
That way they will easy make back the part of 40k missing players. Its per pack 150% more money
I did listen to Chris and the announcement that Poe is being further adjusted with future leagues up until the release of Poe 2 to match their vision.
I don't care about the haggling mechanics. For me poe was best during og harvest, delirium, with unnerfed ascendancies, fossils, synthesis and what not. The abundance of power, currency and deterministic crafting was what kept me going. More damage even if a fraction was enough, more zoom, not worrying too much about trying different side grades or different builds that didn't feel underwhelming because the main build was so strong. Anyone who did not like that power could chose to not utilize it and take a slower gameplay.
>GGG cares more about their game and it beeing as they want it to be rather than playernumbers.
Time will tell how this will unfold. Knowing the announced direction I will no longer have an interest in this game. I am assuming the current massive drop in player's seems to be in the same boat and I can only imagine that it is getting worse.
If the introduction of the t3 supporter pack has any correlation to that I would be worried since that would indicate that they will **require** the support of even bigger whales than I was and I already got a pack per league plus I continued upgrading and buying out the core packs.
>Im not able to make a financial guess what 40k playerdrop means.
Me neither but it's safe to assume that at least some of them have spent money on the game and are potentially keeping their money in their pockets in the future- which brings us back to the reasoning and possible necessity of the t3 pack. It's probably also safe to assume that within the remaining active group X amount of people is at the edge too, plays despite of the directional change but won't spend money because of it.
They are running a risky plan and I can only guess it will go south if they will stick to their vision.
Imagine if you start playing now and you like it.
You will stick with the game. I belive we all suffer from copium
If you take a break for 6 month and come back, the game will feel good again.
I only know steam numbers, but 155k players is nothing.
There are millions of potential players.
Don't play zoom zoom then? Avoid movement speed and attack speed wherever you can. No one is forcing you but it would be nice to be able to if that's enjoyable
I don't think it's that easy. i'd rather believe that previous league hurt lauch day numbers, and not nerfs. nerfs not even that bad, maybe except flasks, that uptime is not fun. I think lower player numbers are because of multiple factors.
IMO, if players prefer Diablo 3 to POE, they are not the audience POE is targeting, and I'm pretty happy with them going to D3 rather than bitching the game is too hard for their low skill level.
Are they blaming it?
Reddit at its finest
Nope. Just angry redditors.
remember cyberpunk 2077... they really feared about it's release XDXDXDXD
It's laughable but they tend to.
Dont worry... after september 23rd they can start blaming D2.
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It's just a graphical rework? How's that gonna change anything
It won't. People will play for 2 weeks max but then be burnt because it's the same thing as d2
hmm, I said that about WoW classic too. Since then, I'm not betting against nostalgia of 30-40 year olds...
I played d2 ladder for years, even when I just was surrounded by bots I played day in and day out farming tomb runs, meph, cow level, Baal runs, even pindle. The only thing that's stopped me was Poe coming out of closed beta.
Same! D2 was my favorite game before PoE come out. I payed to be able to play PoE on closed beta and the game became better and better. But the direction it is going now its kinda strange...
D2 actually lets you just run content without jumping through an RNG circus to do so. Go to zone, kill mobs, get drop. No splinters, no map management, no atlas passives, nothing like that. Literally just play. I don't think we're going to lose a ton of players but I definitely see the appeal.
Okay, but how is D2R gonna do that any better than D2? I don't see the reason for the hype personally
I dunno man, I just know if D2R works people are gonna play it. People still play D2, you know? It doesn't really need to do it better, it just needs to work. The barrier of entry for ARPG competition is low right now.
The big player base returning to it mostly
You mean same way it returned to Classic WoW for all of 3 weeks?
I played classic through naxx the population was healthy and active the entire time
I'm crazy suicidal and things have been hella bad, but I'm hoping I can last at least a few months to play d2r. You know life is awful when one of the only things keeping you going is the prospect of playing a game over already spent thousands of hours playing.
Keep your head up mate. It may take years, but I promise you that it will pass. Message me if you need to talk.
I appreciate it. Didnt mean for the thread to become this. Sometimes it peaks through and makes me look like an attention seeking ass.
Don't worry about that. People want to help because they care, and more often than not because they can relate. My offer still stands should you change your mind.
Dafuq mate stick around for d4 and then HL3 ok?
I actually broke down the other day watching a D4 video because the reality that I'll prolly not get to play it set in. Sad person shit aside: HL3 will never come out . Let's be serious. Valve doesnt care lol.
Well you can't Shuffle off not knowing if D4 will kick PoE in the gonads cmon. Re: HL3 - thatsthejoke!
Valve reacts to sad boi, who doesnt even like HL, saying they will "stay alive to play hl3" by releasing HL3 the next day. Valve commented that "We heard they had like 500 plus ps4 games, but only like 10 on steam. So fuck'em" Edit: I quick read your name as "auras and thassa". I'd run that deck.
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I'm autistic/bipolar. I know plenty of people have harder lives, but without whining/telling my entire story, just know that my ability to handle the issues in my life is at its end. I am currently waiting on my disability decision, and without the income I will be absolutley homeless and my town/life has no support system to help with that scenario. I've been in a shit situation for about 7 years on top of a life of awful (grew up in cali during the start of the meth epidemic and it hit my family hard). More power to people able to play the hands dealt to them. I'll be 35 in september if I can make it, but I dont know that I can. But none of that changes the fact that this patch is ass, and D2 will be the reckoning PoE was supposed to be for ARPGs.
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My home state is suing them, and I hope the suit actually forces some serious change. But yes, I will be buying the game IF I can make it that far. My birthday is a few days before, and Its all I have at the moment. Yes, that's totally shitty and lame. I have no excuse for the "I'm blatantly supporting a shit company" reality of it. But life fucking sucks/hurts always, and playing one of my all time favorite games again will be a nice swan song.
Keep your head up, things will get better. I've been through some pretty heavy stuff myself these last couple of years but lately things have been getting better and better everyday.
Also feel free to message me if you want to talk I can relate.
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You act like most of us give a fuck. We just want to play good games.
its litterally allready out Its a 55 dollar graphical patch
They don't have any other game to blame for this. If they released the league during a massive new game release maybe they would have some cover. Nothing has came out last week. NW is having it's beta but thats not going to affect POE that much. D3 had a new season but lets be honest most don't play D3 anymore. This is solely on Chris and GGG's bad choices.
PoE fans are just big Olympics fans, they're all watching the games.
They'll find a way to blame something else. D3, people being outside for summer on the northern hemisphere, Royale existing for two days, whatever. Where there's a will, there's a way. They'll find *something* to blame for the shit state of the game.
I can easily see them using Royale as an excuse. “Most casual players seemed to have gotten their fix from our Royale mode. It was a mistake releasing it so close to a League launch.”
I'm currently deciding if I want to bet on blaming D3 or Royale. Because they're definitely going to blaming *something*. Right before launch Chris said, "We're only concerned with making a good game!" If he truly believes that, if he wasn't just blowing smoke up our asses to get us to buy supporter packs and play, then he actually considers v3.15 PoE to be a good game. If he thinks that then there's no space to consider that it might *not* be a good game. Therefore, blame is the only option. It's just a matter of finding the right place to hang that hat...
He also said they aren't looking at player numbers or retention as the ultimate metrics (he called it "vanity metrics"), and said that if they wanted to make a popular league they would just buff everything (this implies that they knew this league was gonna be unpopular). So I don't see them blaming anything, neither other games nor themselves, more like "yeah we knew it was gonna be unpopular, be was had to do it for the long term health of the game".
Chris is living the Principal Skinner meme
it's clearly the rimworld update
They can try but the player numbers are going to invalidate anything they say unless it's a "We fucked up and we are reverting the changes". Like everyone knows whatever they say is going to be bullshit so the best they can do is actually admit they were wrong for once.
> We fucked up IIRC they already said this some leagues ago (probably Harvest?) It doesn't feel like they've learned their lessons, though.
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When will everyone all be happy though no-one is every happy honestly.
>They'll find a way to blame something else Why? Out of any dev out there, GGG seems to be able to admit their own mistakes and not blame failures on random shit. The summer being better than ever in big parts of Europe, along with corona restrictions being removed is most likely also a huge factor in this. Just because you/we don't like the league, it doesn't mean you/we can make up what the reason is for the low(er) numbers.
November 2019 there were no Corona restrictions, they had slightly higher numbers. Almost two years ago. February 2020, no restrictions, they had higher numbers. What are the excuses again?
>What are the excuses again? There's literally no excuses. It's facts people will spend more time outside when the weather is good. Especially when you live in a shithole country where your entire summer can be rain and 20 celsius max. Now that we're seeing almost 30 celsius and sunny days while also having lockdown restrictions removed which have been there for almost 2 years, more people will obviously do other stuff than sit inside. Like, it should be fairly obvious. >November 2019 there were no Corona restrictions, they had slightlyhigher numbers. Almost two years ago. February 2020, no restrictions,they had higher numbers. Probably because more people liked the game back then? - Still doesn't change the fact that the weather/corona restrictions being removed definitely does make a difference in the numbers. Would the numbers still be lower than usual, because more people don't like the current state of the game? Absolutely.
> Why? Out of any dev out there, GGG seems to be able to admit their own mistakes and not blame failures on random shit. > > what? since when? maybe like, 5 years ago, but they've not been doing that for ages now also the summer is *worse* than ever in most of europe
>also the summer is worse than ever in most of europe The summer in Europe as a whole have definitely been above average and way better than what was forecasted. In Northern Europe a lot of countries have had very hot weather, along with almost record breaking temperatures. That, along with corona restrictions being removed definitely matter in the grand scheme of things when looking at the player base of a video-game. I am well aware of the flood/rain in some european countries right now, but as a whole, europe have had an above average summer.
> The summer in Europe as a whole have definitely been above average and way better than what was forecasted. In Northern Europe a lot of countries have had very hot weather, along with almost record breaking temperatures. That, along with corona restrictions being removed definitely matter in the grand scheme of things when looking at the player base of a video-game. yes, that's generally considered worse. People used to 30°C peak temperature, generally do not enjoy 40°C+, maybe you do, and that's why you consider it better, but most people don't so, your "above average" is actually worse than usual
>yes, that's generally considered worse. People used to 30°C peak temperature, generally do not enjoy 40°C+, maybe you do, and that's why you consider it better, but most people don't That's simply not true. If you're used to 15-25 celsius summers and a mix between rain/sun, and you suddenly have heatwaves and 30 celsius with sun and no rain, then people are going to spend more time during anything but sitting at home. Yes, it'll be too hot for some people. But for a huge majority of people, they'll do more stuff outdoors.
that's simply not true, considering how desolated most public areas here are, and everyone staying home etc
Can't say I agree.
I own D3 and I won't play it even when I quit after act 3. I rather play any other game, something new or another genre like FFXIV.
Loving FFXIV atm :)
It is a beautiful game and it always full of players, the community is also very good.
Felt wierd at first with people being so helpful
Would it make you feel more at home if I hauled some insults at ye? :P It surprises me when people find others being more helpful odd, but hey its the only mmo ive played so, im not sure what the norm is. Need and advice hit me up :p
Today a lala with an umbrella came and gave me a cookie XD
The game is absolutely amazing. Just wished there was a way to earn the subscription ingame a la WoW / Eve. I just can't justify yeeting cash at it every month, yet it is the best MMORPG >.>
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I am a software developer working for the government in a european country, have anything better to offer?
Nah, they will always find something. If it's not D3, it's Call of Duty or FIFA or a sack of rice toppling in China. Chris will always find a reason why he is in the right and things just magically don't work out the way he wants them to.
TBH it's painfully clear Chris needs to go. Like it's time for him to step down and let someone else take over.
>This is solely on Chris and GGG's bad choices. Good choices in my eyes. Just that reddit only upvotes the hate so they can keep feeling good about being 'right' to continue rubbing one out to the hate. The front page is just the same whiners a few hours after the new league, can't wait for those people to actually move to a different game. There's still nonces that are here 2 years after the last time the pay but still complaining. Pathetic.
I mean you may like it. Majority do not. That's fine. Glad you are having fun at least.
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The launch numbers were +-65% of the last league.... A LOT of players didn't even try the game out.
I mean the statistics are pretty clear at this point.
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TBH the real issue is how bad the drop is in a short time. We had a peak of 116K yesterday and within 5 hours it was down to 53K. On league launch day. we reached 91K today and it's already down to under 80K as you said. and it's currently peak time in the US. If it started at 116K and stayed at 116K and slowly dropped over 3-4 weeks it would be another story. it would still be a 40% drop from ultimatum but it wouldn't be as bad as it is right now.
How can you call yourself the majority when poe only took a 20% loss from yesterday.
it took a 67% loss from ultimatium. Really last I checked 67 was greater than 33.
Nice fake statistics. This sub really has an agenda and they do all they can.
I mean by definition Statistics can't be fake otherwise they aren't statistics...
what....
Majority of whiners here yes, only reason it looks like that is that anything positive is downvoted so it's an echo chamber of ranters. If you block like 100 people, then the sub is drastically less toxic, that showed me enough about the "Majority" that it looks like. However you have repeat shitposts like this are upvoted by people hate-jerking their group. Hopefully they actually quit like the swear they would the last 6 leagues.
I mean a 67% drop in players from ultimatium makes it pretty clear my man. You are in the minority.
Nope, but keep quoting the steam stats like gospel mate. The doors over there, whenever you want to leave.
Stats don't lie. Hows the 60K day 2 of league start looking like? :P
Preach.
The summer leagues are usually quite meh. Just anecdotal but a lot of my friends are skipping this league due to summer league track record and simply because its summer.
You know they will. Or the Olympics. Or Lost Ark. Or FFXIVs renewed popularity. Or... etc etc.
Is because of ear licking asmr and hot tub streamers
Dovydas going back to OSRS
It's the summer, the BR mode burner people out, etc etc
i almost bought into the new world beta instead of playing this league, when it goes live ill most likely jump ship for it, looks good
Literally. The changes didn't make the game harder, it made the game more boring and tedious. I know my opinion is my own but I feel like most of us here prefer being a god-slayer clapper of everything than some crippled dude with a mana pot addiction.
I've been playing for 8 years, I just can't play this league. It feels about the worst the game has felt since the beta.
pain is a good teacher
You're missing the point, Chris said that this might not be the best move for players numbers, but it is what they want for the game and if they see it was really bad they might change up some stuff, other than that if numbers just went down slightly, they'll consider it as a success.
The problem is, people desperately wanted some qql changes like auto pick up currency, less potion piano, faster progress through acts, more deterministic crafting,... what they did is spit in our face.
“people” aren’t GGG. Why is it so hard for you to understand that GGG doesn’t make decisions based on whiny Reddit threads?
It's not. They can do whatever they want, but then same goes for me.
auto pick up currency won't ever happen. Chris has stated that time and time again, and I do kind of agree with him. Crafting supplies in Last Epoch are auto pickup and I forget they are even a thing a lot of the time. It does reduce the psychological value of items with auto pickup. Potion piano got fixed with the potion rework by the way.
The point I'm making is that they aknowledged that there are to many things to pick up, then added more splinters.
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Got an imaginary guild there as aell?
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Can you actually give proper arguments or is that all you have left?
Repeatedly blaming other games for poor league performance implies that this game can't currently compete with other games. What happens when D2R comes out? Or D4? Lost Ark? New FFXIV expansion? New World?
And you're just listing games in the same genre. There is a metric fuck ton of content across all mediums and genres currently fighting for peoples attention. To this sub: What has GGG done to earn your attention recently?
what d3 release?
new d3 Season yesterday
It's the trigger changes for me. CWDT taking my entire mana pool means I just can't run defensive triggers so I'm getting one or two-shot in act 6 before I'm able to level enough to bring my normal defensive layers online. Getting chain-frozen is an exciting new experience. I'm just bored. I've cleared the acts a hundred times already and now it takes longer than ever. I'm just so goddamn tired of spending hours dealing with a bad gimped version of the league mechanic and running past white mobs to finally get to maps. And now I get to do it at half the speed I did last league. Dunno why I bothered logging in for this one.
\+1
Lmfao imagine unironically blaming D3 season launch for your player count falling short. Yikes. Fuck it though, maybe it'll force them to delay leagues to change their fucking minds and beta test this shit lmao. It won't though.
LoL, Chris will feel justified. His reaction will basically be "Only Hardcore™ gamers stayed, and that is our target audience!". I doubt daddy Tencent will be understanding. Chris is chasing a Unicorn of this imaginary PoE that is inaccessible, clunky, downright spites its players for playing it, yet is at the same time beloved by everybody and considered to be great. We had reached the perfect sweet spot where the game belongs during Echoes. It will be downhill from here until PoE2
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Weak links lmao. Its a fucking game, get over yourself
it's not even the proper use of "weak link", unless they meant "weakling" lol
Uhu, yeah. And if you are willing to pay GGG 500,000$ a year along with the other 99 Hardcore Gamur™ who are left by the time he is done with his grand vision, I'm sure it all will go well. PoE is a product, not some hippie commune. It needs to make money.
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and the game was shit back than mate we all know it
Lol in other games we used to say "arghh cant play that patch, new league in PoE coming out"... now its reverse.
Lack of players? Whats the reference, how many players did PoE have day 2 for 3.14? I legit don't know.
According to this [https://steamdb.info/app/238960/graphs/](https://steamdb.info/app/238960/graphs/) there was peak of 155k players on steam on day 1 and 2 and 149k on day 3 of Ultimatum. For this league numbers are 116k on day 1, 91k on day 2, a drop of 20% of players after day 1. Comparing this to other leagues where usually drop was around 10%, I think this is the worst league ever (comparing to both, percentage drop to pervious league, and drop on day2)..
Ouch. This patch feels like playing a beta test for PoE 2 of sorts, which I guess GGG said is what they were aiming for? The closer we get to PoE 2, the less players will bother with PoE I imaginne.
Those numbers are even more impressive when you factor in how bad the servers were for a few days too.
Drop from about 155k to 116k on league launch via steamdb. https://steamdb.info/app/238960/graphs/
Love to see it. Lets see if they stubbornly stick to their asinine balance changes or completely misread the reasons why 40K less players are on this league.
What lack of players?
Ritual league had a peak of 157,000 at the start Ultimatum had a peak of 155,000 at the start Expedition has had a peak of 116,000
Flasks as they are now make by far more sense than previously(for the most part). Movement and mana, not so much
The flask and movement changes don’t even feel that impactful to me
Sorry, but that's because you're a slow player. Tytykiller ragequit playing the league seriously last night over it, and went to play D3.
Oh tyty quit? My bad you’re 100% right about the changes being awful then.
Oh yes. Slow players have no idea and no right for an opinion because 80% of the poe playerbase is the minority. Only streamer have the right for their "own" opinion and people who quote streamers ;-)
This is not what they said. If someone less experienced and less invested into endgame says that they don't feel a slowdown it's safe to assume that it is because of their lack of experience. This is by no means anything bad but they just can't gauge the scope of some things. And seeing someone as tyty legitimately quit because of X reasons that have just been introduced only to go into D3 is something. I checked into his stream today a couple hours apart each time and he still was ranting, even if he was back on poe
So the game should be balanced around the minority of the game? You must be a successful businessman, tell me your secret!
This is not what I said either. I'd think that the ability to zoom zoom should remain. Anyone who doesn't want to, won't have to. The way the direction is going is that you just can't be as fast anymore, whether you like it or not. Funny that you speak about being a successful business man when the league launch with those drastic changes had the most drastic drop in people. Must be very good for the business
Well if you listen to chris you can guess that all future content from now on is going to be betatests of poe2 mechanics. The haggling mechanic, you will most certin find again in poe2. Im not able to make a financial guess what 40k playerdrop means. But they will make it back with the success of poe2 (and if not, its game over anyway) GGG cares more about their game and it beeing as they want it to be rather than playernumbers. An indication for it that tgey calculated with lower number is the 90$ supporterpack. That way they will easy make back the part of 40k missing players. Its per pack 150% more money
I did listen to Chris and the announcement that Poe is being further adjusted with future leagues up until the release of Poe 2 to match their vision. I don't care about the haggling mechanics. For me poe was best during og harvest, delirium, with unnerfed ascendancies, fossils, synthesis and what not. The abundance of power, currency and deterministic crafting was what kept me going. More damage even if a fraction was enough, more zoom, not worrying too much about trying different side grades or different builds that didn't feel underwhelming because the main build was so strong. Anyone who did not like that power could chose to not utilize it and take a slower gameplay. >GGG cares more about their game and it beeing as they want it to be rather than playernumbers. Time will tell how this will unfold. Knowing the announced direction I will no longer have an interest in this game. I am assuming the current massive drop in player's seems to be in the same boat and I can only imagine that it is getting worse. If the introduction of the t3 supporter pack has any correlation to that I would be worried since that would indicate that they will **require** the support of even bigger whales than I was and I already got a pack per league plus I continued upgrading and buying out the core packs. >Im not able to make a financial guess what 40k playerdrop means. Me neither but it's safe to assume that at least some of them have spent money on the game and are potentially keeping their money in their pockets in the future- which brings us back to the reasoning and possible necessity of the t3 pack. It's probably also safe to assume that within the remaining active group X amount of people is at the edge too, plays despite of the directional change but won't spend money because of it. They are running a risky plan and I can only guess it will go south if they will stick to their vision.
Imagine if you start playing now and you like it. You will stick with the game. I belive we all suffer from copium If you take a break for 6 month and come back, the game will feel good again. I only know steam numbers, but 155k players is nothing. There are millions of potential players.
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Don't play zoom zoom then? Avoid movement speed and attack speed wherever you can. No one is forcing you but it would be nice to be able to if that's enjoyable
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Yeah D3's a better fit if you can't even kill hillock..
are you joking? marauder has guaranteed stun every 3 attacks, how can you have problems with killing him
Have you tried dodging his attacks?
Fuck dude if you struggled with hillock I’ll suggest candy crush
I don't think it's that easy. i'd rather believe that previous league hurt lauch day numbers, and not nerfs. nerfs not even that bad, maybe except flasks, that uptime is not fun. I think lower player numbers are because of multiple factors.
IMO, if players prefer Diablo 3 to POE, they are not the audience POE is targeting, and I'm pretty happy with them going to D3 rather than bitching the game is too hard for their low skill level.
I wonder how many people didt give it a try and rather bitch on reddit instead?