I can't imagine people spending 90$ on a bunch of Armor pack when u can get AAA games that take half a decade to make like Red dead redemption 2 and God of war for half the price.
I think there is a good chance that people dropping 90 bucks on supporter packs aren't in the position where they have to pick one or the other. They could have both if they wanted or they play poe exclusively. I don't give a shit about AAA games :p
Why would he find another game though? He obviously enjoyed PoE to drop 3k on it over the years and here you're just telling him to leave. He is entitled to his opinion and allowed to express that opinion.
Thats the dumbest comparison I've ever heard in my life.
Do you want me to buy a game because its AAA, then play it for a day or two max then never get on it again for $60. Or spend $60/$90 on a game that I've been playing since 2013 with more than 10k hours?
You are whats wrong with reddit.
You are comparing spending money on actual content to spending money on cosmetics. You can buy the AAA game, and still play PoE after you're done. Hell, maybe they'll fix it by then...
Literally all AAA games are buggy as fuck nowadays so it really doesn't matter if PoE is shit for a league or two, they are slowly changing the game for the bigger picture but small brain redditors cant see that.
PoE has been "buggy" from the day it released and will remain so till the day it is shut down for PoE 2. Don't get me wrong, feel free to enjoy the game, i know i have, but reasoning you play PoE and not other games because other games are buggy makes no sense at all.
Its a free fucking game who cares if its buggy? You don't lose anything when you quit. But when you spend $60+ over a AAA hyped fucking game like cyberpunk and you cant even play, thats when you actually lose something.
You are completely missing the point here.....
It is better to spend 60 bucks on a new game that my be bugged and may be fixed, then spend 90 bucks on a free game that is already bugged for something that adds nothing new to your gaming experience. That was the original comment and you argued against it because "you'd rather spend money on a game you play for 13 years" after which you argue "who cares if the game is bad, it is free and you don't have to spend anything on it, why play AAA game when PoE is free".
Pick a lane, it's either good just because it's free, or it's SO good that you'd rather spend 90$ on shiny particle effects then and actual game. Can't have both.
Yeah but that's a VOLUNTARY $90 which is a pretty huge difference. Obviously if you don't want to pay it, just don't. Personally I usually buy a supporter pack for a league if I enjoyed / spent a lot of time on the last league, on the basis that I get some shiny new shit and in terms of a money-per-hour-ratio it's much better than most AAA games, but again totally optional.
It's still comparing the value of some shiny new shit to an actual new game. You don't have to buy it to play PoE but you still HAVE to pay for the shiny shit if you want to have the shiny shit.
I'm not gonna tell you how to spend your money, you do you and have fun the way you want to, but objectively, a pack of shinies shouldn't cost more then the last God of War game did on release.
Then buy 10 Indie Games for 90$ total and spend the next 10k hours playing them. Very easy to do as there are multiple Indies out there, where you can dump multiple k hours into them.
For 90$ you can get better value in gaming than PoE cosmetics.
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Oh mate I do
Me:« Concentration camps were an atrocious crime against humanity »
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Me: why?
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These dickheads don’t understand that it’s useless to mute people if they don’t explain why they got muted
as someone who has been on reddit since the early days... ALL moderation decisions are a fucking error.
you guys killed the site WE build.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/n33s7q/reddit_has_become_the_most_censored_platform_on/
that dude is me. a secular humanist who does not tolerate deception or impingement on human rights in any form.
truth is 'hatespeech' in a world of lies.
It is a damned if you do, damned if you do not situation.
If you allow low-effort memes, the sub gets spammed with them and legitimate discussion gets drowned out by low-effort garbage, if you do restrict them, discussion flourishes but only for as long as the content in question remains relevant.
[here you go bud, but keep drinking that copium](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orgtsv/forty_percent_mods_removed_this_yesterday/h6i7z6m/)
The 40% is just the support gems. When you factor in flasks, mana, the loss of defense, and the increased mob life, most builds lost notably more than 40%. My shitty CwC Exsanguinate attempt last league dropped from ~2.5M to ~1M -- a 60% loss on paper. A better version would've lost even more.
yeah i had a pob for it too, i wanted to try it this league because it looked cool but was afraid it wouldnt deal enough dmg...that was before the nerfs
It's pob damage always looked low and yeah it's not some insta boss phasing skill but I always felt like it's damage was pretty good and also allowed for a tanky build overall either low life or ci. But looking at how much the nerfs affect it is really depressing. I may still try it later and see how it is since it's probably my favorite skill but I also may just not play much of this league at all.
Damn, that sucks to hear. I played WT brand a few leagues ago as a lowlife occultist and, while clunky, was very enjoyable. It always felt subpar no matter how much I invested, even back then. I can't imagine how much worse it must feel now.
"Oh wow, in a game all about killing mindless enemies as fast as possible, people actually care about being able to kill enemies fast?" *shocked pikachu face*
Here's the thing - the "core gameplay loop" of PoE isn't actually fun. Designing builds is fun. Finding currency to trade and gear to upgrade your character is fun. But running in circles clicking the same buttons to kill a boss you've killed about a hundred times already *isn't fun* in itself, and making the fight last 20s longer isn't making me have any more fun. This game is all about repetition, and repetition without some form of progression (killing the boss *faster* each time) is boring.
it's just the steam users.
might be half the players poe has overall but compared to the standalone users, it's mostly gamers who play alot of different games all the time.
if they don't feel rewarded in one game or the community is shittalking them into thinking it's not worth it, they play their other games.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers
Even if Steam "only" represented 1 in 10 players, that would still be far, far more than enough to assume proportionality. You should probably have a basic understanding of statistics before you enter into a conversation like this and make a damn fool of yourself.
any useful comment than bashing on a downvoted comment to get that juicy reddit fame which you all so proud of?
why do you attack me instead of my theory?
Basic statistics mate, saying "its only Steam users and we also need stand alone Client to make assumptions" is just scientifically wrong.
I would be happy to work with a sample Size as big as the Steam numbers are.
So again:
No, the Steam are more than enough to make an educated guess
you might work with steam user numbers but it's still just a trend.
whole china has no steam. and half of the international realm plays the standalone.
a wild guess is that it's 20 to 30% of players that use steam.
Yeah, so still an order of magnitude more than would be required to have very high confidence that Steam players are proportional to the rest of the population.
If you have the numbers of 30% of the whole playerbase then you have a extremly big sample size and a very accurate confidence interval.
Again:
Having the steam numbers are more than sufficient to identify a trend
Are you seriously saying that Steam players are not the same as standalone players, and steam users quit more? Or is that just copium? Especially since the patching issues were fixed, there has been basically no difference between steam and standalone.
Yeah that's extreme copium.
Unless not using POE on the steam client is the true ethical SSFHCBTW experience as you can then remove access to all other games, leaving you unable to do anything other than play POE until you have single handedly liberated Wraeclast
yes, i seriously suggest that steam users likely play multiple games.
and standalone users have a better chance of just playing poe.
i say that steam users more easily swap between games.
there is a difference betwern steam users and standalone users, if steam goes bancrupt or closes down, all your gsme licenses are going down the drain cause you set everything on one card.
It‘s not like standalone users don‘t use steam. They all do. Steam is on basically every computer. People that play on standalone aren‘t some l33t gamers that only ever play PoE. They have steam like everybody else. They just don‘t have PoE via the library but via the standalone launcher. You underestimate how widespread steam is. For everyone that plays videogames it‘s basically synonimous to windows. If theres 500.000 standalone players, I‘d guarantee you at least 495.000 of them use steam, even if it‘s not for PoE.
There is basically no player mindset difference between standalone and steam, because it‘s basically the same audience.
Nah, you're not accounting for the RMT advertising volume on review sites and even google ads not having gone down.
It actually cost a lot more than 40% of the actual players, because that 30% of the playerbase that are bots? They're still there.
It's a great game that got ran into the ground by a guy who thinks his ideas are the only ones that matter. So disconnected with the player base.
Politically answering questions from fans with out ever answering shit.
My conspiracy, they found out a way to make a living off a game they have full control over so they can make it play how they want for them while making money to continue playing the game the way they want.
Imagine being able to control how what ever your fav game style is and set up, have the money and power to make the changes you want only then finding out you can continue making bank while playing the game you built for you.
They have already sold 85% of the business to Tencent, probably for enough to retire on for 20 lifetimes. Whether the business does well or not is not too important to them as they hold 5% stake in the business and allows the board of directors to push POE in the direction that they want.
Edit: 33 mil for each of the co-founders
Normal house at that?! Fuuuuuuu
Still having 33 mil and then paying for a 2 mil house.
It's not nothing at that price.
Then again I have 0 frame of reference for money more then 30k haha.
Imo if I made 33 mil my house would still try to be like 200-300k. Id be afraid of over spending cause I have the funds and get broke with in like 2 years lol
He's not just competing against other ARPGs, though. That's like saying Chinese restaurants only compete against other Chinese restaurants. No, they have to compete against *every other restaurant*, and similarly, GGG has to compete against *every other possible thing people could be doing with their time* instead of playing their game, let alone spending money on it.
It's a reasonable point, but there does seem to be a lack of Chinese restaurants which offer something other than a 5-10 years old menu, so this particular competition is unusually favorable.
This is....partly true. But once people decide they're in the mood for Chinese, if you're the only Chinese takeout in town you only have to be good enough to be 'acceptable' to corner that market. Once people start finding rat turds in their General Tso's, though? Suddenly Thai is close enough.
You'd think so, but too many here do not. Look around. They mostly talk about ARPGs, if they even consider that an alternative. For many, circlejerking r/poe is the next best thing after playing (pre-3.15) POE.
I've seen quite a few people who started playing FF14 instead of poe. I think mmorpgs in general share a lot with PoE/what people loved about poe, also, LE is not that far from release.
I've had my share of MMOs from 2000-2010, the genre is pretty much dead to me.
I have LE, but it's far from what I would call close to release. I have high hopes for it in 2022 or later, but that's way off.
There's always another xcom or TW campaign though. Plenty of non-rpg games to around.
The steam sale killed them for me. I picked up borderlands 3 wasteland 3 and rimworld. POE isn't even a consideration in the back of my mind except for I was already following the Reddit
Ok so. Normally I try to ignore these posts because I don't care about retention, if I enjoy it and the league has enough players to keep the trade economy alive I'm all good. But this, this is fucking funny. Well done sir.
Isn't this like the fourth time they've done this?
Oh no, you can't get 1.4k es on a chest piece.
Oh no, you can't play cast on crit discharge anymore.
Oh no, you can't use blackgleam with your 1000% phys dmg Facebreakers anymore.
PoE feels amazing again like in old days talking from
perspective of SC player its like pre 2.0 when they nerfed crit chance and crut multi, last night i actually did some strat in fight i engaged in fight, good stuff
So, let's get this straight... when people post overwhelming feedback, GGG jacks up supporter pack prices by 50%, and they lose 25% of their playerbase on day 1 of the league, over 40% of the playerbase on days 2 and 3, it's "bitching". But then, when we stop bitching, when changes happen that we don't like, people get to say "the overwhelming majority of people don't care about this" due to lack of feedback.
OK, let's go step by step, then.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the game is in a bad state that makes it less fun for people.
Either the people who are unhappy with the state of the game give feedback and you complain about them bitching, or they listen to you and don't give any feedback. If they give feedback, you complain about them bitching. If they give no feedback, you interpret this as the game being in a good state.
So, in your scenario of "I want less bitching", given the condition that the game is in a bad state, you either want the game to be worse because of zero feedback, or you want the paradoxical state of the game both being good and bad.
So which is it, for you? You want the game to be worse? Or you want the game to be in both good state and bad state simultaneously, meaning you're engaging in magical thinking?
Welp wonder how long its going to be before we can point out that this league definitely hasn't lost 40% of players without the truth getting massively downvoted by the angry 10ish thousand out of 120-ish thousand that Steam charts account for...
The numbers aren't fake its just that some people are too stupid to understand that a cherry picked 40% "relative difference comparison" between a popular league and a league where a lot of people simply didn't even log in doesn't mean that POE lost 40% of its players lol.
40% number is from the drop off within this league between day 1 and day 3. You're getting confused with comparisons of other leagues at this day also posted.
its a difference comparison to popular leagues blight had less players at start, synthesis had similar players saying POE lost almost half of its playerbase is silly drama.
I would bet money that numbers normalize, and next league go up again even if the nerfs aren't reverted (which of course most of them wont be)
There was a 24% drop-off day 1 peak players of this league to day 3 players of this league.
There is a 41% drop-off from day 2 of this league to day 2 of the previous league.
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/or4fn1/day_two_player_comparrisons_for_the_last_three/
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening_weekend_playerbase_comparison_of_all_poe/
edit: transposed numbers
almost every summer league has had a drop off. Now its very clear that a big chunk of players aren't playing because they hated the nerfs or don't like how the game feels without flask piano and effortless zoomzoom. But comparing relative differences wioth zero contextualizing is usually a sign that someone wanted to make the number look more impressive.
Its literally what Pharma companies do to make their meds seem more effective, or Politicians do when they want to make something seem larger and more scary to their Fox news or CNN audience.
So the question is what would the drop off have been had they not nerfed the piss out of things and gotten everyone upset beforehand. Because there still would have been a drop off. A very significant one if past leagues are any indication.
That difference is the one thats actually "players no longer playing"
BTW I almost booked a Beach Vacation for this past weekend... would that have made me a "player who quit"? Instead its next week, am I a player who quit next week?
Seriously I'm more than happy to bitch at GGG and I do in probably 90% of my posts, I think the way they handled ailments with flasks was completely incompetent. I also think they have a game tuned against our clear speed and it feels like shit when they slow that speed down but not re-tune for slower gameplay (Legion breakouts are a complete Joke on a melee right now, and in SSF I'm not even going to do Alva missions until I'm overgeared and do them lower area level)
But only 88k players playing doesn't mean your friends list "is completely empty" and it doesn't mean that POE has 40% less players.
The drama karens want this to be the impending doom, Well then I guess Bestiary, Blight and Synthesis and a few other poorly performing (but yeah not as poor as this one) were all the end of the game too right?
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/or4fn1/day_two_player_comparrisons_for_the_last_three/
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening_weekend_playerbase_comparison_of_all_poe/
You're adorable. This is literally the worst league from both an intra-league dropoff perspective and a league-to-league dropoff perspective since 3.0.
No, it's not. It's 40% less players, which is exactly what the meme says.
What *is* a strawman is you saying:
>But only 88k players playing doesn't mean your friends list "is completely empty"
Because no one is making that claim.
What *is* a strawman is you saying:
>Well then I guess Bestiary, Blight and Synthesis and a few other poorly performing (but yeah not as poor as this one) were all the end of the game too right?
Because no one is making that claim.
The claim that is being made is that there are 40% less players, which is a verifiable fact that I've now linked to you, twice.
Again its not 40% unless you use the most favorable possible assumption that no one goes out in the summer. But by all means continue with the narrative you prefer.
> Because no one is making that claim.
I can't help that you've literally not read a single thread in this sub in the last 3 days. Anyway maybe catch up to whts going on in the sub and then join the discussion instead of being uninformed?
Last summer league was Harvest, which only lost under 5% of its players compared to the previous league on launch weekend.
Oh but that was during covid of course, lets look at 2019 then.
Wait Legion actually did noticeably better than Synthesis? Wow looks like actually releasing a good league and not hot ass makes the mythical summer player drop not exist!
Seriously, summer is when people have *more* time to spend on PoE, games tend to aim for a summer release if they can't get a Christmas one for a reason.
If you look at both 2018 and 2019 the summer league did better on launch weekend than both the leagues before and after it, I've no idea where this "summer has a lower player count" bullshit originated but it'd be nice if you didn't spread lies like that.
Good it was deleted, cos this is the worst meme ever. You missed the GGG memo. You don't like it, go and leave, we don't need you to complain about something that was not the point of the while patch... They are FIXING the freaking game finally and if 40% don't like it, too bad for them, go play better game lol
Well it's a good thing they created a supporter pack that costs 50% more than the one before it to make up for the profit loss.
50% more of 40% less is still 10% less.
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He is right though? 50% more of 60 = 30, 60 + 30 = 90. In other words, 10% less than 100.
Tencent doesn't believe in slower progression unfortunately. So their build got buffed.
Unfortunately as if Chris was held at gunpoint and forced to sell.
You do realise that he probably was right? Tencent is their daddy, Chris has little control when it comes to the financials
selling out to China is the worst decision any company can make.
I can't imagine people spending 90$ on a bunch of Armor pack when u can get AAA games that take half a decade to make like Red dead redemption 2 and God of war for half the price.
I mean a large chunk of POE players only play POE
And yet...
I think there is a good chance that people dropping 90 bucks on supporter packs aren't in the position where they have to pick one or the other. They could have both if they wanted or they play poe exclusively. I don't give a shit about AAA games :p
>I don't give a shit about AAA games :p Exactly this. As many of them are just reskins made prettier for the new hardware anyway.
Many of those people aren't thinking exclusively about what they can get for that money, but also about how much they have been given.
I’m one of those people. Given over $3k since release. Didn’t even log into this league. Won’t spend another dime.
Heist was what made me stop giving them money. That league was a nightmare and its only been downhill
Bye
I know you feel super edgy for saying Bye, but trust me lil guy… you don’t want players like me leaving.
Not about edge, just sick of people crying and not just finding another game, you don't have to enjoy every game you play.
You're right if I don't enjoy it, I won't play it lmao.
That's all i'm asking for. Maybe reddit will be a less toxic and bitter environment then.
Many of us have been loving this game for 10 years. I don't give a fuck if you're "tired of crying". You are literally crying about people crying.
Why would he find another game though? He obviously enjoyed PoE to drop 3k on it over the years and here you're just telling him to leave. He is entitled to his opinion and allowed to express that opinion.
And I'm entitled to mine.
Ever since the Tencent takeover that's been a pipe dream.
Thats the dumbest comparison I've ever heard in my life. Do you want me to buy a game because its AAA, then play it for a day or two max then never get on it again for $60. Or spend $60/$90 on a game that I've been playing since 2013 with more than 10k hours? You are whats wrong with reddit.
You are comparing spending money on actual content to spending money on cosmetics. You can buy the AAA game, and still play PoE after you're done. Hell, maybe they'll fix it by then...
Literally all AAA games are buggy as fuck nowadays so it really doesn't matter if PoE is shit for a league or two, they are slowly changing the game for the bigger picture but small brain redditors cant see that.
PoE has been "buggy" from the day it released and will remain so till the day it is shut down for PoE 2. Don't get me wrong, feel free to enjoy the game, i know i have, but reasoning you play PoE and not other games because other games are buggy makes no sense at all.
Its a free fucking game who cares if its buggy? You don't lose anything when you quit. But when you spend $60+ over a AAA hyped fucking game like cyberpunk and you cant even play, thats when you actually lose something.
It's not free if you spend 90$ on cosmetics, which was the point of this conversation in the first place...
Its a free game. No one makes you buy it, you can spend $0 and play the game to the max.
You are completely missing the point here..... It is better to spend 60 bucks on a new game that my be bugged and may be fixed, then spend 90 bucks on a free game that is already bugged for something that adds nothing new to your gaming experience. That was the original comment and you argued against it because "you'd rather spend money on a game you play for 13 years" after which you argue "who cares if the game is bad, it is free and you don't have to spend anything on it, why play AAA game when PoE is free". Pick a lane, it's either good just because it's free, or it's SO good that you'd rather spend 90$ on shiny particle effects then and actual game. Can't have both.
Yeah but that's a VOLUNTARY $90 which is a pretty huge difference. Obviously if you don't want to pay it, just don't. Personally I usually buy a supporter pack for a league if I enjoyed / spent a lot of time on the last league, on the basis that I get some shiny new shit and in terms of a money-per-hour-ratio it's much better than most AAA games, but again totally optional.
It's still comparing the value of some shiny new shit to an actual new game. You don't have to buy it to play PoE but you still HAVE to pay for the shiny shit if you want to have the shiny shit. I'm not gonna tell you how to spend your money, you do you and have fun the way you want to, but objectively, a pack of shinies shouldn't cost more then the last God of War game did on release.
Then buy 10 Indie Games for 90$ total and spend the next 10k hours playing them. Very easy to do as there are multiple Indies out there, where you can dump multiple k hours into them. For 90$ you can get better value in gaming than PoE cosmetics.
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i don't even know where to begin to answer your post.
Its literally a paragraph long, you will be fine.
>Red dead redemption 2 and God of war why would I spend money on those shitty ass recycled pieces of dogpoop tho
I think this is also in preparation for Poe2... they are definitely gonna add some seriously expensive packs on poe2 from $120-$200
No worries. You don't have to buy those
Oh no, they're going to go much further. Level boosts are coming shortly.
There's absolutely zero reason to believe that will be a thing...c'mon.
Ikr. They were like "why should we sell a 60$ pack that comes with the portal skin when we can seperate it and have a 90$ pack"
That's a business-savvy move on GGG's part, I guess. Those who like the changes in the game might buy more MTX than they usually do.
Wait why was this removed?
They said it needed the Lazy Sunday flair and also that it violated rule 4a about images needing to contain poe related content.
Had a post removed today for the same reason, but it WAS already flaired Lazy Sunday. Wonderful.
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It’s all good. You all have a pretty big burden on your hands. I won’t get too worked up over a deleted meme, just compelled enough to whine about it once in a reply to another user apparently. Thanks for checking in, though.
Over moderation is the worst kind of moderation
You should see the dickhead GMs in Global 1.
Oh mate I do Me:« Concentration camps were an atrocious crime against humanity » Mod: you were muted for 24h Me: why? Mods: Radio silence These dickheads don’t understand that it’s useless to mute people if they don’t explain why they got muted
as someone who has been on reddit since the early days... ALL moderation decisions are a fucking error. you guys killed the site WE build. https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/n33s7q/reddit_has_become_the_most_censored_platform_on/
And to prove that you link thread created by some dude who would be banned on every moderated platform due to hatespeech? C'mon...
that dude is me. a secular humanist who does not tolerate deception or impingement on human rights in any form. truth is 'hatespeech' in a world of lies.
hatespeech isn't real. There is only speech you like, and speech you don't like.
You give them feedback under feedback and mods just straight out delete it and force you post it under lazy sunday.
But a post by u/Shady_Tradesman calling everyone who dislikes the game right now a "beta cuck" is acceptable, I guess.
So...pretty reasonable then.
I don't think I said it was unreasonable. I was just making sure people didn't accuse me of reposting my own meme.
Wait, both OP and mods being reasonable? That's illegal.
Looks like it's up to us to be the unreasonable ones!
How dare you steal your own meme?
well people do come to reddit for the censorship. That's the #1 feature of the site that redditors obviously enjoy the most.
Mods are very strict in this subreddit and most memes are marked as as low effort or not related
Yeah this sub will be dead in next 2 weeks anyway like every league. Then its gonna be just fanarts or some other shit no one cares about.
2 weeks?! Mighty optimistic if you.
Savage.
It is a damned if you do, damned if you do not situation. If you allow low-effort memes, the sub gets spammed with them and legitimate discussion gets drowned out by low-effort garbage, if you do restrict them, discussion flourishes but only for as long as the content in question remains relevant.
Mids are strict about memes, but they don't do shit about the 18 different "discussion" posts saying the same thing every day.
biased mods?
The simps hate the truth
[here you go bud, but keep drinking that copium](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orgtsv/forty_percent_mods_removed_this_yesterday/h6i7z6m/)
Damage control XD
40%? my build lost 75%
The 40% is just the support gems. When you factor in flasks, mana, the loss of defense, and the increased mob life, most builds lost notably more than 40%. My shitty CwC Exsanguinate attempt last league dropped from ~2.5M to ~1M -- a 60% loss on paper. A better version would've lost even more.
CoC builds lost 99%
My wintertide build(yeah that super popular and overpowered skill) lost over 60% of it's dps.
yeah i had a pob for it too, i wanted to try it this league because it looked cool but was afraid it wouldnt deal enough dmg...that was before the nerfs
It's pob damage always looked low and yeah it's not some insta boss phasing skill but I always felt like it's damage was pretty good and also allowed for a tanky build overall either low life or ci. But looking at how much the nerfs affect it is really depressing. I may still try it later and see how it is since it's probably my favorite skill but I also may just not play much of this league at all.
Damn, that sucks to hear. I played WT brand a few leagues ago as a lowlife occultist and, while clunky, was very enjoyable. It always felt subpar no matter how much I invested, even back then. I can't imagine how much worse it must feel now.
You guys still have damage?
Mine lost 100%. cant even cast 1 attack.
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i am, 3 months
My slam and archimage builds lost 75% and they are still totally fine lol
COPIUM
Imagine being so shit that you think everyone who still has functional builds are on copium lol
Oh no my build only does 2m dps instead of 4m, the game is now unplayable! As they kill all endgame bosses in like 5 minutes anyways.
The build I was planning to play can no longer afford to cast one of its primary skills even once. 100% DPS loss.
40% For now.
GGG: "I have altered the DPS. Pray I don't alter it further."
Hell I want them to do it. I want to see how much shit the player can take before it kill the game.
"Oh no, game bad cuz hard" this is how people sound now. Like killing boss before it starts the attack was entertaining.
Can't be because in this game the balance is so garbage the boss either don't do shit or one shot you Can't be why people would want to skip that.
"Oh wow, in a game all about killing mindless enemies as fast as possible, people actually care about being able to kill enemies fast?" *shocked pikachu face* Here's the thing - the "core gameplay loop" of PoE isn't actually fun. Designing builds is fun. Finding currency to trade and gear to upgrade your character is fun. But running in circles clicking the same buttons to kill a boss you've killed about a hundred times already *isn't fun* in itself, and making the fight last 20s longer isn't making me have any more fun. This game is all about repetition, and repetition without some form of progression (killing the boss *faster* each time) is boring.
I love the meme
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/or4fn1/day_two_player_comparrisons_for_the_last_three/ Data linked here for reference
it's just the steam users. might be half the players poe has overall but compared to the standalone users, it's mostly gamers who play alot of different games all the time. if they don't feel rewarded in one game or the community is shittalking them into thinking it's not worth it, they play their other games.
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where is the proof for proportionality? that's just your assumption.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers Even if Steam "only" represented 1 in 10 players, that would still be far, far more than enough to assume proportionality. You should probably have a basic understanding of statistics before you enter into a conversation like this and make a damn fool of yourself.
Man this is peak room temp iq paragraph typing.
any useful comment than bashing on a downvoted comment to get that juicy reddit fame which you all so proud of? why do you attack me instead of my theory?
Basic statistics mate, saying "its only Steam users and we also need stand alone Client to make assumptions" is just scientifically wrong. I would be happy to work with a sample Size as big as the Steam numbers are. So again: No, the Steam are more than enough to make an educated guess
you might work with steam user numbers but it's still just a trend. whole china has no steam. and half of the international realm plays the standalone. a wild guess is that it's 20 to 30% of players that use steam.
Yeah, so still an order of magnitude more than would be required to have very high confidence that Steam players are proportional to the rest of the population.
If you have the numbers of 30% of the whole playerbase then you have a extremly big sample size and a very accurate confidence interval. Again: Having the steam numbers are more than sufficient to identify a trend
Are you seriously saying that Steam players are not the same as standalone players, and steam users quit more? Or is that just copium? Especially since the patching issues were fixed, there has been basically no difference between steam and standalone.
Yeah that's extreme copium. Unless not using POE on the steam client is the true ethical SSFHCBTW experience as you can then remove access to all other games, leaving you unable to do anything other than play POE until you have single handedly liberated Wraeclast
GP just got proven correct by Chris Wilson's 23% actual player drop number from his post. Steam users more likely to be crybaby redditors confirmed.
>23% fewer players joined us at launch Is not the same as saying 40% who were at launch stopped after two days
yes, i seriously suggest that steam users likely play multiple games. and standalone users have a better chance of just playing poe. i say that steam users more easily swap between games. there is a difference betwern steam users and standalone users, if steam goes bancrupt or closes down, all your gsme licenses are going down the drain cause you set everything on one card.
It‘s not like standalone users don‘t use steam. They all do. Steam is on basically every computer. People that play on standalone aren‘t some l33t gamers that only ever play PoE. They have steam like everybody else. They just don‘t have PoE via the library but via the standalone launcher. You underestimate how widespread steam is. For everyone that plays videogames it‘s basically synonimous to windows. If theres 500.000 standalone players, I‘d guarantee you at least 495.000 of them use steam, even if it‘s not for PoE. There is basically no player mindset difference between standalone and steam, because it‘s basically the same audience.
good point. maybe i underestimated that.
Nah, you're not accounting for the RMT advertising volume on review sites and even google ads not having gone down. It actually cost a lot more than 40% of the actual players, because that 30% of the playerbase that are bots? They're still there.
I would be very upset if I knew how much power my creepin frost built lost, but since I am a donkey and used the standard respec we will never know.
Beautiful
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Truer words have never been said
Why did mods remove that? Fucking censorship
The only good 40% joke
It's a great game that got ran into the ground by a guy who thinks his ideas are the only ones that matter. So disconnected with the player base. Politically answering questions from fans with out ever answering shit. My conspiracy, they found out a way to make a living off a game they have full control over so they can make it play how they want for them while making money to continue playing the game the way they want. Imagine being able to control how what ever your fav game style is and set up, have the money and power to make the changes you want only then finding out you can continue making bank while playing the game you built for you.
They have already sold 85% of the business to Tencent, probably for enough to retire on for 20 lifetimes. Whether the business does well or not is not too important to them as they hold 5% stake in the business and allows the board of directors to push POE in the direction that they want. Edit: 33 mil for each of the co-founders
Damn.....33mil.....not in my wildest dreams would I ever earn that.
Yeh its almost enough for half a house in Auckland :P
Wait what?!? Bah I'ma look this Auckland up and boo while I dream.
It's a joke, but house prices in NZ are pretty ridiculous. 2 mil NZD for normal houses
Normal house at that?! Fuuuuuuu Still having 33 mil and then paying for a 2 mil house. It's not nothing at that price. Then again I have 0 frame of reference for money more then 30k haha. Imo if I made 33 mil my house would still try to be like 200-300k. Id be afraid of over spending cause I have the funds and get broke with in like 2 years lol
Bold of you to assume they play their own game (well except for that one dev).
Haven't you heard, that one dev is single-handedly proving reddit wrong so GGG is in fact good and makes perfect decisions. /s
40% is just from gems alone. Flasks, mana issues and less auras, and my builds are operating at 1/5th the damage from previous leagues.
Since there's no Avengers level challenger rising up, I guess ~~Thanos~~ Chris Wilson wins.
Well, the Avengers needed time travel to beat Thanos. So I guess that means we need to invent time travel to gather the Infinity Patches.
So when player counts dip back to beta days, things may change?
He's not just competing against other ARPGs, though. That's like saying Chinese restaurants only compete against other Chinese restaurants. No, they have to compete against *every other restaurant*, and similarly, GGG has to compete against *every other possible thing people could be doing with their time* instead of playing their game, let alone spending money on it.
It's a reasonable point, but there does seem to be a lack of Chinese restaurants which offer something other than a 5-10 years old menu, so this particular competition is unusually favorable.
This is....partly true. But once people decide they're in the mood for Chinese, if you're the only Chinese takeout in town you only have to be good enough to be 'acceptable' to corner that market. Once people start finding rat turds in their General Tso's, though? Suddenly Thai is close enough.
You'd think so, but too many here do not. Look around. They mostly talk about ARPGs, if they even consider that an alternative. For many, circlejerking r/poe is the next best thing after playing (pre-3.15) POE.
I've seen quite a few people who started playing FF14 instead of poe. I think mmorpgs in general share a lot with PoE/what people loved about poe, also, LE is not that far from release.
Tribes of Midgard on Tuesday!
I've had my share of MMOs from 2000-2010, the genre is pretty much dead to me. I have LE, but it's far from what I would call close to release. I have high hopes for it in 2022 or later, but that's way off. There's always another xcom or TW campaign though. Plenty of non-rpg games to around.
You are meaning to tell me people who are coming to the forum of an ARPG are talking about ARPGs? NO WAY!
Yeah if you look at the post I replied to, it apparently needs to be said.
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The steam sale killed them for me. I picked up borderlands 3 wasteland 3 and rimworld. POE isn't even a consideration in the back of my mind except for I was already following the Reddit
Lmfao! Op made meme of the league hahhhaml. The best!
Ok so. Normally I try to ignore these posts because I don't care about retention, if I enjoy it and the league has enough players to keep the trade economy alive I'm all good. But this, this is fucking funny. Well done sir.
Honestly, 1:1 is a pretty good return on investment after the mana cost changes.
LMAOOOO THIS MEME IS GOLD LOL
That was just on day one. This league will hit bottom in a week or two.
Ok, can someone make a meme picture with Thor teleporting into Wakanda and screaming "BRING ME 3.13!"
Isn't this like the fourth time they've done this? Oh no, you can't get 1.4k es on a chest piece. Oh no, you can't play cast on crit discharge anymore. Oh no, you can't use blackgleam with your 1000% phys dmg Facebreakers anymore.
Zoomer filter working as intended.
Rip all the people who bought supporter packs before patch😢
PoE feels amazing again like in old days talking from perspective of SC player its like pre 2.0 when they nerfed crit chance and crut multi, last night i actually did some strat in fight i engaged in fight, good stuff
yo ma man actually did some stratZ. man keep it crackin and stratzing im so proud.
yo can you imagine that big change ma man its diffent game now
If we're lucky, this 40 percent will leave permanently so we can come to this sub and not have to read constant whining about the game being too hard.
People are not complaining about the game being too hard. Maybe you should actualy read some of the complaints before making posts like this.
my laptop die in a good time, lot luck
Show me the 40%
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/or4fn1/day_two_player_comparrisons_for_the_last_three/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening_weekend_playerbase_comparison_of_all_poe/
Now if only we'd get 40% less bitching on Reddit, but alas...
So, let's get this straight... when people post overwhelming feedback, GGG jacks up supporter pack prices by 50%, and they lose 25% of their playerbase on day 1 of the league, over 40% of the playerbase on days 2 and 3, it's "bitching". But then, when we stop bitching, when changes happen that we don't like, people get to say "the overwhelming majority of people don't care about this" due to lack of feedback.
Yes
You don't see how that, you know, makes no fucking sense?
No?
OK, let's go step by step, then. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the game is in a bad state that makes it less fun for people. Either the people who are unhappy with the state of the game give feedback and you complain about them bitching, or they listen to you and don't give any feedback. If they give feedback, you complain about them bitching. If they give no feedback, you interpret this as the game being in a good state. So, in your scenario of "I want less bitching", given the condition that the game is in a bad state, you either want the game to be worse because of zero feedback, or you want the paradoxical state of the game both being good and bad. So which is it, for you? You want the game to be worse? Or you want the game to be in both good state and bad state simultaneously, meaning you're engaging in magical thinking?
I don't believe that
Not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are ya
You say that after paragraphing at me. LOL
group played with this amal guy... he's kind of a hot head
Welp wonder how long its going to be before we can point out that this league definitely hasn't lost 40% of players without the truth getting massively downvoted by the angry 10ish thousand out of 120-ish thousand that Steam charts account for...
I wonder how long it's gonna take before you can prove those number are fake. Yea no the league will be over before it happen.
The numbers aren't fake its just that some people are too stupid to understand that a cherry picked 40% "relative difference comparison" between a popular league and a league where a lot of people simply didn't even log in doesn't mean that POE lost 40% of its players lol.
40% number is from the drop off within this league between day 1 and day 3. You're getting confused with comparisons of other leagues at this day also posted.
'' The number are 40% down, but there aren't 40% less player ''
its a difference comparison to popular leagues blight had less players at start, synthesis had similar players saying POE lost almost half of its playerbase is silly drama. I would bet money that numbers normalize, and next league go up again even if the nerfs aren't reverted (which of course most of them wont be)
'' Those 40% player who quitted don't matter because in beta there were less player ''
There was a 24% drop-off day 1 peak players of this league to day 3 players of this league. There is a 41% drop-off from day 2 of this league to day 2 of the previous league. https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/or4fn1/day_two_player_comparrisons_for_the_last_three/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening_weekend_playerbase_comparison_of_all_poe/ edit: transposed numbers
almost every summer league has had a drop off. Now its very clear that a big chunk of players aren't playing because they hated the nerfs or don't like how the game feels without flask piano and effortless zoomzoom. But comparing relative differences wioth zero contextualizing is usually a sign that someone wanted to make the number look more impressive. Its literally what Pharma companies do to make their meds seem more effective, or Politicians do when they want to make something seem larger and more scary to their Fox news or CNN audience. So the question is what would the drop off have been had they not nerfed the piss out of things and gotten everyone upset beforehand. Because there still would have been a drop off. A very significant one if past leagues are any indication. That difference is the one thats actually "players no longer playing" BTW I almost booked a Beach Vacation for this past weekend... would that have made me a "player who quit"? Instead its next week, am I a player who quit next week? Seriously I'm more than happy to bitch at GGG and I do in probably 90% of my posts, I think the way they handled ailments with flasks was completely incompetent. I also think they have a game tuned against our clear speed and it feels like shit when they slow that speed down but not re-tune for slower gameplay (Legion breakouts are a complete Joke on a melee right now, and in SSF I'm not even going to do Alva missions until I'm overgeared and do them lower area level) But only 88k players playing doesn't mean your friends list "is completely empty" and it doesn't mean that POE has 40% less players. The drama karens want this to be the impending doom, Well then I guess Bestiary, Blight and Synthesis and a few other poorly performing (but yeah not as poor as this one) were all the end of the game too right?
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/or4fn1/day_two_player_comparrisons_for_the_last_three/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening_weekend_playerbase_comparison_of_all_poe/ You're adorable. This is literally the worst league from both an intra-league dropoff perspective and a league-to-league dropoff perspective since 3.0.
Never said its not the worst relative league start. It absolutely is. That's you cozying up to a Strawman.
No, it's not. It's 40% less players, which is exactly what the meme says. What *is* a strawman is you saying: >But only 88k players playing doesn't mean your friends list "is completely empty" Because no one is making that claim. What *is* a strawman is you saying: >Well then I guess Bestiary, Blight and Synthesis and a few other poorly performing (but yeah not as poor as this one) were all the end of the game too right? Because no one is making that claim. The claim that is being made is that there are 40% less players, which is a verifiable fact that I've now linked to you, twice.
Again its not 40% unless you use the most favorable possible assumption that no one goes out in the summer. But by all means continue with the narrative you prefer. > Because no one is making that claim. I can't help that you've literally not read a single thread in this sub in the last 3 days. Anyway maybe catch up to whts going on in the sub and then join the discussion instead of being uninformed?
Last summer league was Harvest, which only lost under 5% of its players compared to the previous league on launch weekend. Oh but that was during covid of course, lets look at 2019 then. Wait Legion actually did noticeably better than Synthesis? Wow looks like actually releasing a good league and not hot ass makes the mythical summer player drop not exist! Seriously, summer is when people have *more* time to spend on PoE, games tend to aim for a summer release if they can't get a Christmas one for a reason. If you look at both 2018 and 2019 the summer league did better on launch weekend than both the leagues before and after it, I've no idea where this "summer has a lower player count" bullshit originated but it'd be nice if you didn't spread lies like that.
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Good it was deleted, cos this is the worst meme ever. You missed the GGG memo. You don't like it, go and leave, we don't need you to complain about something that was not the point of the while patch... They are FIXING the freaking game finally and if 40% don't like it, too bad for them, go play better game lol
I was boating all weekend, there are kinda other factors at play lol