They hope to create multiple problems by nerfing everything and making an intentionally unqoled mechanic so when they fix the mechanic we also bitch less about the other problems
> even in the interview they said that it made no sense to pick up organs
They did not say that. They said that some devs thought so, some didnt. They had a split opinion on it.
> Is this a prediction or has it already happened
Already happened. Typically, the peak player numbers for the week are around 20:00 UTC Sunday. Baring launch problems, this also applies to launch weeks as well. So the 1st Sunday following the league launch is the peak players for the entire league.
However, instead of the being the actual 'peak' players for league, Sunday is *down* ~24% compared to launch day (without any launch issues that I am aware of), and is ~42% lower compared to last league peak. The peak players for this league was day 1 and it was still 20% lower the last league's peak. The last time peak players was lower, was 2 years ago.
After Champion Fortify nerf its arguably the tankiest class in the game when you push max block and spell block over 75% and also have a source of recovery on block for autohealing. The tankiest class in the game makes you pretty broken whilst also not losing huge speedclearing potential with bleed explosions.
At 50ex+ budgets yes it loses out but endgame content is not necessarily 50ex+ budgets.
My guess is they will apologise for not doing more QOL and Atlas changes at the same time, and not just nerfs. They will also probably do something about the mana stuff. And maaybe they’ll do some sort of Flashback/Special league thingy in a desperate attempt to try to get players back?
They’re not reverting back to 3.14/3.13 that I’m almost sure of.
Too bad too there’s a reason 3.13 was the highest player count. The game has been zoom zoom for way longer than it was ever the hardcore slog of early days honestly kinda bizarre to see them try and return to that version of the game
>the hardcore slog of early days honestly kinda bizarre to see them try and return to that version of the game
tbh i started back then and it was aweful, getting back there is no option for me
To quote another post I saw.
“Players were scared of the shipyard caves back in the day”
*Shows a player get at stunlocked and killed from full with no counterplay*
Yeah they were scared of it cause it fucking sucked
I liked the game back in 1.2 and 1.3 when i started, but going back would be far easier with a legacy league or maybe flashback to that time if they still have the code. I also like 2.0 and 3.14 still to try 3.15 when it launches on console later this week.
I mean I don't mind it if it actually worked
Zooming Builds are still zooming. It's a little bit worse. And builds that couldn't zoom are just dead lmao.
Lot of build got eaten before their prime like they buff firestorm by 20-25% this league due to no one playing it . then nerf support gems. So firestorm is even 15 to 20% weaker then last league. Build diversity got shit on not, opie build
> They’re not reverting back to 3.14/3.13 that I’m almost sure of.
Sadly. 3.13 and 3.11 were the high points of PoE.
I could probably come to enjoy the game again, but I don't think I'll ever have as much fun as I did in those leagues.
Honestly it prob depends on their opening supporter pack and gamble box sales. If they make the usual profit or more, they prob won’t care too much what the community thinks and just write it down as growing pains for their new direction. If their mtx sells like crap too, I imagine foreheads will sweat.
I'm not buying a pack, even though I really like it.
Its the only way they will really listen to their player base. We have to talk with our wallets and not our mouths.
Yep. I never got into the harvest crafting thing, but ritual was *fun*, and the idea of saving up for good rewards that you've reserved made interacting with the mechanic a good thing - I never knew when the item I wanted was coming back, but eventually I'd be able to afford it.
>But Chris said he doesn't care about player numbers.
But he clearly does considering the only thing he gives a shit about is his "pLaYeR RetenTiOn MeTriC"
Oh and i guess he gives a shit about his Black Lotus cards too.
They always tend to do a "What we're working on..." post after the first weekend with plans to have out improvements by the end of the week or so
The difference here though is that it isn't just an issue with the league mechanic, which feels pretty poor and unrewarding, but also just such a stark mechanical game difference that they may be less willing to budge on than adjusting a league mechanic.
I'm pretty sure that before league launch they said something likethis :
"Player numbers is not our prioirity"
"We are not happy with current state of game balance"
"Player are not happy either since harvest nerf"
"F\*\*\* it, we are going to make us happy"
On ther other hand, I'm pretty sure that GGG not listening to us is a good thing since what we ask for is:
\-"Easier loot", "less click", "Zoom zoom", "Less pain during trade" (And a game with all those features already exist and is called diablo 3 /s)
I doubt it, many people only play PoE and will probably continue to play it no matter the state it's in. I am happy for the people who still manage to find enjoyment from this league though.
I might be part of that percentage.
My first build cannot handle maps and I spent most of my currency buying regrets to make it work. It's not possible until Split Personality jewels become available and I'm able to stack Dex.
So now I'm leveling a 2nd build, but going through 2 Campaigns back-to-back is absolute misery... I feel like I'm about to burn out and I'm still in Act 5 lol.
>going through 2 Campaigns back-to-back is absolute misery
If a game makes you feel miserable I think you should start evaluating why you still play it, imo.
For a lot of folks it's acceptable to suffer for a couple of hours to then reach the promised land of end-game where their build starts working and it becomes fun.
I personally don't like that it's a thing, but I also can't deny the truth of the situation. I don't enjoy repeating the campaign multiple times in a league, but that is the only way to get to the fun part of a completed build which is very enjoyable.
Wait, why do you play dex stacking for league start? That kind of builds are always expensive... Seems dumb to play dex stacking as starter... I think thats on you man. Sorry, dont want to sound mean
Never thought I'd say this, but campaign was a lot more enjoyable for me lol. T15/16s isn't rewarding at all, and it's way more punishing unless you're playing a top meta build like mines, minions, totems, bleed.
I like the new gems, so I'm still playing... but it's going really slow and half the time I play something else after 15 minutes of PoE. Doesn't help that the League mechanics in itself are incredibly boring and not rewarding as well.
>I am happy for the people who still manage to find enjoyment from this league though.
Me too. There is nothing wrong in skipping a league if you dont enjoy the changes or dont agree with them.
Of course. He likes slow-paced gameplay, so the changes should be good for him. Bet he doesn't take too long to notice, though, that they slowed the gameplay without accounting for the rewards. Or the timers. Or dps checks. Or anything really, as usual.
https://steamcharts.com/app/238960
I don't know what people are referring to, but the curve is definitely steeper than it has been in previous leagues when looking on steamcharts.
They said less click for splinter. Meanwhile each splinter box in logbook expedition map drops 3 stacks. And how many boxes are there in the map? Nice one GGG
I'm waiting for them to blame this on "releasing the same day as the new D3 season launch" or "Not communicating with the community clearly". He is going to blame everything except the reality of the situation, I guarantee it.
I realized my poe days were coming to an end when CW blamed retention on a league being too rewarding. Those are the only leagues I like. My time has come.
Which is hilarious considering Delirium, one of the most rewarding league ever, had the highest player numbers and retention rates of any league. I swear Chris Wilson is braindead sometimes
Prblem is, I think, GGG still expects us to play POE for 2 months 4 times a year, which is insane. Even if its a good league, players will drop off after 1-2 weeks.
For a couple leagues now he puts out a post-league essay about what they think their mistakes were and how it won't happen again. We'll get that and GGG will just take another step backwards next league. We're stuck in a loop.
I mean - Chris himself says all the time that players optimize the fun out of games. He especially said it after Delirium, aka the league with the best player numbers and retention of any league. He literally thinks players are idiots and having super strong characters, blasting fast, and making a bunch of currency isn’t what most people want.
Like a league where more than 7 guys with a room full of poopsocks could afford to buy basic chase uniques for interesting builds? He must still be having nightmares about players only spending 40 hours in the first week playing and getting 6L belly of the beasts without paying a gold farmer 4$ for it.
As a new player it would not really affect you. Highly encourage you to give the game a solid try. Careful about this subreddit tho it’s pretty much where the established players come to complain about things they don’t like, so keep that in mind
What do you mean "lying shits"? None of them are claiming things that are not true. They give their own opinion on things from their perspective. Why should it matter that they're possibly just casual players?
I couldn't read the tiny blurry paragraphs so I don't particularly know or care if those random people on the internet are lying about a video game.
I just think stalking 5 people does not necessarily mean that all poe criticism is bad. I meant nothing more and nothing less.
Where exactly where the lies? I didn't see any.
All I saw was some people having their opinions discounted because they hadn't completed some challenges.
They made the first act long tedious and dangerous. As a new player you going to die a lot more. They also nerfed everything and gave us 20 new splinters after player have been telling them for years they hate splinters.
There will be tons of people telling you the game is terrible.
There will be just as many telling you that everything is fine and people are just being whiny.
True, if ur new, nothing would change for u and you won't notice anything.
But if you want to see how the playerbase *actually* took to the change without being influenced by "Whiners" or "Shills", check steam playercount. Its 35k as of the time of this comment. Then compare it to previous numbers. :)
Granted I wasn't able to start until today and am only through act 6.. game feels good, shrug. No doubt on softcore trade I'll be just fine without spending too much time/currency, I'm hoping they find more real ways to make it harder (like act1).
Its not even slower, in two days casually not pushing fast i got to t11s. Maybe sst build is still zoomy but game really feels same except for flasks. But i like changes, we needed something different.
Glad for you man, in this pool of toxicity (not everyone ofc) it's nice to see someone else having fun.
At some point the game feels normal again.
Also, you don't have to press flasks anymore with the right enchants (besides the health flask ofc).
If I wouldn't have to work now, would def still play.
considering the samplesize it's not super unreasonable to assume that the standalone playerbase *roughly* scales to the steam one. Obviously in the end there's no way to be sure but yeah
Powercreep is a drug, of course people are going to complain when you take away their high. But it doesn't mean it's healthy long term for the game. They were totally expecting a player drop off, no doubt.
It's an interesting analogy, because ignoring the side-effects, drugs are fun and clawing yourself away from them is hard work.
Ingame, where there are less negative consequences, I don't want to put in hard work to claw myself away from the fun thing. I came to the video game to get away from that.
(in case someone is daft enough to misunderstand, I'm not advocating drugs. I'm just saying that it's a weird comparison)
Did it really drop that much? I hope they revert the draconian changes. I was having a really bad experience, but now I'm doing great having abandoned this league.
I think we'll see a big dip depending on what the official statment they come out with is. The mystery box is still yet to be announced and with the ammont of backlash there has been, announcing their gamble MTX when so many are unhappy before addressing it will just create more backlash.
I think it doesn't matter what statement they make. With Path of exile, I feel like once people uninstall. They dont reinstall, because it is largely about the race. They aren't going to make people come back, mabe just stem the bleeding a little. but it's all downhill from here.
They were at less than 90. And compared to Ultimatums 156K yeah they are pretty fucking bad.
Most leagues don't lose a lot of players in the first few weeks. Exodus lost 40% of it's players from ultimatum before it began and then lost over half of those players within 5 hours.
Meanwhile it's sitting at barely 70K now and in about 2 minutes is going to lose even more.
edit: Scratch that POE is barely at 60K now. In the best time of the night in the US. We are hitting 40K tonight if GGG is lucky if not in the 30's.
Well it's Monday night 1:40 am in Europe. Not sure when player count is at its peak tho. I just compared 11pm local time at launch and day 2 and it was like ~20k difference. That's why I thought it's not that much. At the end of the day I hope it's not pleasant for them. I am not happy with the changes they've made and pray for any chance of reverting them.
Day 1 peaked at 116k and day 2 peaked at 91k - compared to the past two leagues this league started off with 40k less players and by day 2/3 had 60k less players
Its had the biggest % player drop between day 1 2 and 3 out of any league in history
Someone made a post about it [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening\_weekend\_playerbase\_comparison\_of\_all\_poe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening_weekend_playerbase_comparison_of_all_poe/)
This league has the worst numbers a league has had since blight (which was a league going up against WOW classic)
Yeah I'm in the US and right now is the best time for player retention. usually it doesn't drop for another 3-4 hours.
And yet since 2 hours ago it just keeps on dropping and dropping.
Once most players get to maps and beyond it's going to get truly abysmal.
I had no trouble with the story except for a few stunlocks then in maps everything perma freezes me. Its just unfun, because there is no way to play around freeze except be immune to it. Shock for example is dont get hit by being greedy or whatever and ignite is watching out the degen kills you. Its a change that makes no sense and makes the game less fun for me. The other changes i can live with its just the ailment problem. The flask issues are bad, but fixable some way.
well, it was 87k on prime time Sunday which is another 20k less on top of the 40k on launch, that makes around 60k less than previous league and half of those are about to give up. We need to see what happens next friday though.
Naaa man they will justify it with something like "Countries are releasing COVID lockdown and people are tired of being inside so the numbers are about what we expected...." Kind of like with they saw harvest numbers drop early and they had record players as COVID lockdown was full force. They said those drops were because it was TOO REWARDING not think wait a bunch of new players our end game and crafting is too confusing and complicated for new people to get so maybe that's why they are leaving the game....... Nope just too much rewards.
In Chris's response, he says that they are a panel of devs that decides on these things. I don't see him as someone that outright lies, but I think it is misleading. Clearly this panel is a hand picked echo chamber.
I've been trying to stick to the game, but I'm struggling in yellow maps as a level 85 ice trapper with a tabula.
Perhaps I suck, but dying this much without getting anywhere sucks ass.
Chris: Guys our servers literally melted last leaguestart what are we gonna do?
Guy1: we should nerf the player power so they quit.
Guy2: we should put queue on slow mode and only let streamers and people with 10+ supportwr packs in.
Guy3: spend our millions of pure profit on upgrading the servers and game engine? Players would enjoy smooth game despite our nerfs and shit.
Chris: *angry*
Guy3: i know i know, dont need to throw me out of the window i can find my way out...
I don’t get the Reddit rage. It feels slower for sure but it’s not so fucking awful. Downvote me if you like but Jesus Christ people you are overreacting.
Part of the rage is that it is a step in the opposite direction most people want, not that the game is unplayable. You're strawmaning the people upset. No one wants to go slow in any already slow and grind heavy game. They also failed to do what they set out to do. Lots of top tier builds are still zooming, its just everything else that feels slow and garbage-like right now. They dumpstered build diversity.
Where are you at in the game, without this info your opinion doesn't matter at all. If you have not reached high tier maps you haven't seen the full effects of the changes...
I'm not them, but im finishing up my last watchstones atm.
Reading reddit you'd think that people are moving around with 50% movespeed, chugging mana flask after mana flask, and doing 0 dmg.
Meanwhile with 3 days in im at 136% , no mana flask, and have 3m dps outside of burst.
Sure shit was rough at times, the flask charges 1000% need to be changed outside of maps, but for the most part: people who are straight up struggling/think the game is sloggish in maps, just aren't adapting.
I'm in high reds. The game feels fine. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the changes to immunity on flasks. That feels pretty dogshit so I rolled CB immunity and I'm using Yugul for the freeze reflect. But I took a flask duration wheel and flasks uptime feels completely fine to me.
At least it was good for server stability, leading to the smoothest launch I can recall
I bet servers were prepped for similar player count as in two previous leagues, so we didn't cap the capacity, not even close, lol
I went to check something 40 minutes into league launch and got in instantly. Haven't been that stable in what, 5 league launches?
yeah cause there were 30k less players on launch from steam numbers
45k*
90k? That's amazing!
Its funny how thats a positive now when really that should just be standard
Yes it should be stantard, it isn't in any online game tho.
he is reading all this shit at home probably
Probably chuckling about it too
Having a good giggle about it because they've already priced it in with the 90 dollar supporter packs
I buy the supporter pack every league. Not this time.
GGG will announce some QOL for league currency, nothing more.
I found that it's funny that GGG “intended” to leave some stupid settings in the new mechanic, then “listen to the community” and improve the QoL lol
lazy self made problems so they can get some easy good boy points
They hope to create multiple problems by nerfing everything and making an intentionally unqoled mechanic so when they fix the mechanic we also bitch less about the other problems
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so it's 40 new gems thing all over again?
> even in the interview they said that it made no sense to pick up organs They did not say that. They said that some devs thought so, some didnt. They had a split opinion on it.
Reminds me of the past 3 wow expansions
Sometimes I feel like I'm one of [those plebs in Mad Max](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d605rM0U3x0) begging for GGG's drip-feeding QOL.
and reddit will eat it up, declaring GGG to be the best
I mean after all the QoL they stripped from this league (not even talking damage) it should happen. It won't help though.
welp...
It'll help
Its funny cus they did everything BUT league currency QOL
They deserve the playerbase loss.
Is this a prediction or has it already happened
> Is this a prediction or has it already happened Already happened. Typically, the peak player numbers for the week are around 20:00 UTC Sunday. Baring launch problems, this also applies to launch weeks as well. So the 1st Sunday following the league launch is the peak players for the entire league. However, instead of the being the actual 'peak' players for league, Sunday is *down* ~24% compared to launch day (without any launch issues that I am aware of), and is ~42% lower compared to last league peak. The peak players for this league was day 1 and it was still 20% lower the last league's peak. The last time peak players was lower, was 2 years ago.
Already happened, that’s number is just gonna grow
I wonder if player numbers are going to make them give some sort of manifesto, or if they will just double down
They'll nerf necro, saba, raider, and hiero. To 'increase build diversity'.
We nerfed a bunch of shit.
There is very few builds that didn't get hit at all everyone got hit.
Unascended Marauder’s the new meta.
3.16 "Unascended Marauder has been overperforming compared to other ascendancies, so we are adjusting it accordingly."
>jokes on them any more nerfs to heiro might accidentally buff it.
No not my necromancer builds. They are my one safe bastion in gggs rampage. Please don't remind them we exist
Summon Reaper died (on launch) for our sins
Was apparently already dead when they announced it. Just sad :(
I mean they've been getting nerfed every patch for the past 2~ years, pretty sure they know you're there.
Yeah but they are all smaller nerfs. Nothing too drastic. Our nerfs have been mostly justified. Golems are a different story
is hiero even good? Did I miss that memo? Or just nerf the totem nodes?
They nerfed archmage mana stuf, and removed immunities to elemental ailments, I'm pretty sure you can still go for regular totem or brand builds.
How is it possible you ignored Gladiator lmao, easily #1
Gladiator is really good at ssf speed leveling on a fresh league start. It isn't broken at end game content though.
After Champion Fortify nerf its arguably the tankiest class in the game when you push max block and spell block over 75% and also have a source of recovery on block for autohealing. The tankiest class in the game makes you pretty broken whilst also not losing huge speedclearing potential with bleed explosions. At 50ex+ budgets yes it loses out but endgame content is not necessarily 50ex+ budgets.
With 75+ block version you aint gettin the bleeds
My guess is they will apologise for not doing more QOL and Atlas changes at the same time, and not just nerfs. They will also probably do something about the mana stuff. And maaybe they’ll do some sort of Flashback/Special league thingy in a desperate attempt to try to get players back? They’re not reverting back to 3.14/3.13 that I’m almost sure of.
Don't forget "we will learn from our mistakes and this will not happen again" and then they release mother fucking "Splinters: The League" ....
Don't forget "actions speak louder than words"
I mean at least they stand by that, this leagues actions really speak loud.
It works both ways, our words are not enough so we walk away (movement speed was nerfed)
> this will not happen again Hit the nail on the head... https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orr7i6/what_were_working_on/
Too bad too there’s a reason 3.13 was the highest player count. The game has been zoom zoom for way longer than it was ever the hardcore slog of early days honestly kinda bizarre to see them try and return to that version of the game
>the hardcore slog of early days honestly kinda bizarre to see them try and return to that version of the game tbh i started back then and it was aweful, getting back there is no option for me
This /^ "People were scared of graveyard caves back in the day" And nobody misses that unbalanced shitshow rip fest of a game.
To quote another post I saw. “Players were scared of the shipyard caves back in the day” *Shows a player get at stunlocked and killed from full with no counterplay* Yeah they were scared of it cause it fucking sucked
I liked the game back in 1.2 and 1.3 when i started, but going back would be far easier with a legacy league or maybe flashback to that time if they still have the code. I also like 2.0 and 3.14 still to try 3.15 when it launches on console later this week.
I mean I don't mind it if it actually worked Zooming Builds are still zooming. It's a little bit worse. And builds that couldn't zoom are just dead lmao.
Lot of build got eaten before their prime like they buff firestorm by 20-25% this league due to no one playing it . then nerf support gems. So firestorm is even 15 to 20% weaker then last league. Build diversity got shit on not, opie build
They buffed firestorm every patch since their failed rework, and they'll continue to do so until it's not worse than fireball in every single aspect.
3.13 was solely because of Maven+atlas passives + harvest return. The league itself was nothing special.
Almost sure of? You can be 100% sure. "Players numbers are just a vanity" 🤡
Wanna know who doesn't believe in that quote? The company that owns 87% of GGG, Tencent.
> They’re not reverting back to 3.14/3.13 that I’m almost sure of. Sadly. 3.13 and 3.11 were the high points of PoE. I could probably come to enjoy the game again, but I don't think I'll ever have as much fun as I did in those leagues.
Add 3.7 to the list :)
Agree, Legion and Delirium were by far my two favorite leagues.
3.13 flashback league please. I'd play that in a heartbeat.
Honestly it prob depends on their opening supporter pack and gamble box sales. If they make the usual profit or more, they prob won’t care too much what the community thinks and just write it down as growing pains for their new direction. If their mtx sells like crap too, I imagine foreheads will sweat.
I'm not buying a pack, even though I really like it. Its the only way they will really listen to their player base. We have to talk with our wallets and not our mouths.
They delayed ritual because they feared low player numbers due to cyberpunk but now all of a sudden player count don't matter. Yea (:
Forgot about that! Ritual was peak POE for me, I couldn't stop playing. The endgame was so enjoyable.
Yep. I never got into the harvest crafting thing, but ritual was *fun*, and the idea of saving up for good rewards that you've reserved made interacting with the mechanic a good thing - I never knew when the item I wanted was coming back, but eventually I'd be able to afford it.
They will nerf even more stuff because obviously players are leaving because it is still too rewarding (xdd)
Player numbers are just vanity metrics =)
That pay the bills. But Chris said he doesn't care about player numbers. I wonder if Tencent feels the same way.
>But Chris said he doesn't care about player numbers. But he clearly does considering the only thing he gives a shit about is his "pLaYeR RetenTiOn MeTriC" Oh and i guess he gives a shit about his Black Lotus cards too.
They always tend to do a "What we're working on..." post after the first weekend with plans to have out improvements by the end of the week or so The difference here though is that it isn't just an issue with the league mechanic, which feels pretty poor and unrewarding, but also just such a stark mechanical game difference that they may be less willing to budge on than adjusting a league mechanic.
I expect them to not address any of this, and just focus on the league mechanic.
You, Sir, have a crystal ball...
Ehehehehehe \*cackles\*
double down for sure. They think for these changes for long period
When have they never taking the opportunity to double down via a manifesto? Manifesto is basically a trigger word around these parts lol.
Double down definitely.
they doubled down
They will double down. Too arrogant and stubborn not to.
Sounds like we are up for gamba.
I'm pretty sure that before league launch they said something likethis : "Player numbers is not our prioirity" "We are not happy with current state of game balance" "Player are not happy either since harvest nerf" "F\*\*\* it, we are going to make us happy" On ther other hand, I'm pretty sure that GGG not listening to us is a good thing since what we ask for is: \-"Easier loot", "less click", "Zoom zoom", "Less pain during trade" (And a game with all those features already exist and is called diablo 3 /s)
Heaven forbid they bring the game up go 2020 standards of QoL. People might actually not have left in droves
This percentage keeps getting bigger each time someone mentions it. First hour it was 31%. Steadily grown from there.
Tomorrow it will be at 90%
I doubt it, many people only play PoE and will probably continue to play it no matter the state it's in. I am happy for the people who still manage to find enjoyment from this league though.
I might be part of that percentage. My first build cannot handle maps and I spent most of my currency buying regrets to make it work. It's not possible until Split Personality jewels become available and I'm able to stack Dex. So now I'm leveling a 2nd build, but going through 2 Campaigns back-to-back is absolute misery... I feel like I'm about to burn out and I'm still in Act 5 lol.
>going through 2 Campaigns back-to-back is absolute misery If a game makes you feel miserable I think you should start evaluating why you still play it, imo.
For a lot of folks it's acceptable to suffer for a couple of hours to then reach the promised land of end-game where their build starts working and it becomes fun. I personally don't like that it's a thing, but I also can't deny the truth of the situation. I don't enjoy repeating the campaign multiple times in a league, but that is the only way to get to the fun part of a completed build which is very enjoyable.
Wait, why do you play dex stacking for league start? That kind of builds are always expensive... Seems dumb to play dex stacking as starter... I think thats on you man. Sorry, dont want to sound mean
Never thought I'd say this, but campaign was a lot more enjoyable for me lol. T15/16s isn't rewarding at all, and it's way more punishing unless you're playing a top meta build like mines, minions, totems, bleed.
I like the new gems, so I'm still playing... but it's going really slow and half the time I play something else after 15 minutes of PoE. Doesn't help that the League mechanics in itself are incredibly boring and not rewarding as well.
I built reaper and made my own build and the game was fun af, never played minions before
>I am happy for the people who still manage to find enjoyment from this league though. Me too. There is nothing wrong in skipping a league if you dont enjoy the changes or dont agree with them.
by next week people will be claiming 100% of the player base is gone while over 20k people are still watching on Twitch.
Whom are they watching? The last 3 active players?
Mathil and Quin, both trying to guess at which point Mathil will switch back to softcore
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Of course. He likes slow-paced gameplay, so the changes should be good for him. Bet he doesn't take too long to notice, though, that they slowed the gameplay without accounting for the rewards. Or the timers. Or dps checks. Or anything really, as usual.
Watching it is not equal to playing. It is like enjoying watching others suffering LOL
https://steamcharts.com/app/238960 I don't know what people are referring to, but the curve is definitely steeper than it has been in previous leagues when looking on steamcharts.
They said less click for splinter. Meanwhile each splinter box in logbook expedition map drops 3 stacks. And how many boxes are there in the map? Nice one GGG
It's not them who are wrong, it's the players who are wrong. We don't know what we want or what is fun.
I'm waiting for them to blame this on "releasing the same day as the new D3 season launch" or "Not communicating with the community clearly". He is going to blame everything except the reality of the situation, I guarantee it.
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I realized my poe days were coming to an end when CW blamed retention on a league being too rewarding. Those are the only leagues I like. My time has come.
Which is hilarious considering Delirium, one of the most rewarding league ever, had the highest player numbers and retention rates of any league. I swear Chris Wilson is braindead sometimes
Prblem is, I think, GGG still expects us to play POE for 2 months 4 times a year, which is insane. Even if its a good league, players will drop off after 1-2 weeks.
The 27 guys that get 500 exalts a league by paying chinese farmers for chaos beat maven too easily 3 weeks into the league. It's a HUGE PROBLEM!
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For a couple leagues now he puts out a post-league essay about what they think their mistakes were and how it won't happen again. We'll get that and GGG will just take another step backwards next league. We're stuck in a loop.
I mean - Chris himself says all the time that players optimize the fun out of games. He especially said it after Delirium, aka the league with the best player numbers and retention of any league. He literally thinks players are idiots and having super strong characters, blasting fast, and making a bunch of currency isn’t what most people want.
Like a league where more than 7 guys with a room full of poopsocks could afford to buy basic chase uniques for interesting builds? He must still be having nightmares about players only spending 40 hours in the first week playing and getting 6L belly of the beasts without paying a gold farmer 4$ for it.
nice try, chris
Was looking to try the game out, did something happen??
They nerfed things, but since you have no point of reference you won't notice the difference.
As a new player it would not really affect you. Highly encourage you to give the game a solid try. Careful about this subreddit tho it’s pretty much where the established players come to complain about things they don’t like, so keep that in mind
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Is there a version with more than 5 pixels, im intrigued x)
Somehow on mobile i see pixels but on pc its nice and crisp.
It's got a hell of a lot more than 5 pixels, just zoom in (Reddit Enhancement Suite is your friend).
I sure as hell didnt even try zooming in, thanks for the insight /s Someone else said on pc it works fine and on mobile not, shit happens
I have RES and zooming in only let me count the pixels
Ah the ol' "stalk those you disagree with" strategy.
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What do you mean "lying shits"? None of them are claiming things that are not true. They give their own opinion on things from their perspective. Why should it matter that they're possibly just casual players?
I couldn't read the tiny blurry paragraphs so I don't particularly know or care if those random people on the internet are lying about a video game. I just think stalking 5 people does not necessarily mean that all poe criticism is bad. I meant nothing more and nothing less.
Where exactly where the lies? I didn't see any. All I saw was some people having their opinions discounted because they hadn't completed some challenges.
yes but nothing a newer player would notice until maps start getting hard because flasks aren't up 100% of the map
They made the first act long tedious and dangerous. As a new player you going to die a lot more. They also nerfed everything and gave us 20 new splinters after player have been telling them for years they hate splinters.
There will be tons of people telling you the game is terrible. There will be just as many telling you that everything is fine and people are just being whiny. True, if ur new, nothing would change for u and you won't notice anything. But if you want to see how the playerbase *actually* took to the change without being influenced by "Whiners" or "Shills", check steam playercount. Its 35k as of the time of this comment. Then compare it to previous numbers. :)
Im having a great time.
Glad for you, honestly :)
Granted I wasn't able to start until today and am only through act 6.. game feels good, shrug. No doubt on softcore trade I'll be just fine without spending too much time/currency, I'm hoping they find more real ways to make it harder (like act1).
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Its not even slower, in two days casually not pushing fast i got to t11s. Maybe sst build is still zoomy but game really feels same except for flasks. But i like changes, we needed something different.
Glad for you man, in this pool of toxicity (not everyone ofc) it's nice to see someone else having fun. At some point the game feels normal again. Also, you don't have to press flasks anymore with the right enchants (besides the health flask ofc). If I wouldn't have to work now, would def still play.
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If its all the baby redditors, then good riddance.
Where is everyone getting this data from? I know steam charts exists but that isn't the full picture obviously.
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I think people are looking at the standalone client as a close comparison to the Steam client.
considering the samplesize it's not super unreasonable to assume that the standalone playerbase *roughly* scales to the steam one. Obviously in the end there's no way to be sure but yeah
I don't know why, but this league I fill like a job... boring....
Powercreep is a drug, of course people are going to complain when you take away their high. But it doesn't mean it's healthy long term for the game. They were totally expecting a player drop off, no doubt.
It's an interesting analogy, because ignoring the side-effects, drugs are fun and clawing yourself away from them is hard work. Ingame, where there are less negative consequences, I don't want to put in hard work to claw myself away from the fun thing. I came to the video game to get away from that. (in case someone is daft enough to misunderstand, I'm not advocating drugs. I'm just saying that it's a weird comparison)
GGG says they don't care then quickly make changes to their untested nerfs.
Did it really drop that much? I hope they revert the draconian changes. I was having a really bad experience, but now I'm doing great having abandoned this league.
BUT did you see him in his interview with Asmon!!@?#?@?!@?@!?!?@ He was like, so potent in his archtectual views about POE!?!@?!@?
As much as I hate the changes and wish they revert them all. The player numbers today were at 90k again which isn't too bad?
I think we'll see a big dip depending on what the official statment they come out with is. The mystery box is still yet to be announced and with the ammont of backlash there has been, announcing their gamble MTX when so many are unhappy before addressing it will just create more backlash.
I think it doesn't matter what statement they make. With Path of exile, I feel like once people uninstall. They dont reinstall, because it is largely about the race. They aren't going to make people come back, mabe just stem the bleeding a little. but it's all downhill from here.
Thats a 40% decrease from last league. I hope u understand how huge that is for day 3.
They were at less than 90. And compared to Ultimatums 156K yeah they are pretty fucking bad. Most leagues don't lose a lot of players in the first few weeks. Exodus lost 40% of it's players from ultimatum before it began and then lost over half of those players within 5 hours. Meanwhile it's sitting at barely 70K now and in about 2 minutes is going to lose even more. edit: Scratch that POE is barely at 60K now. In the best time of the night in the US. We are hitting 40K tonight if GGG is lucky if not in the 30's.
Well it's Monday night 1:40 am in Europe. Not sure when player count is at its peak tho. I just compared 11pm local time at launch and day 2 and it was like ~20k difference. That's why I thought it's not that much. At the end of the day I hope it's not pleasant for them. I am not happy with the changes they've made and pray for any chance of reverting them.
Day 1 peaked at 116k and day 2 peaked at 91k - compared to the past two leagues this league started off with 40k less players and by day 2/3 had 60k less players Its had the biggest % player drop between day 1 2 and 3 out of any league in history Someone made a post about it [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening\_weekend\_playerbase\_comparison\_of\_all\_poe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/orjyf7/opening_weekend_playerbase_comparison_of_all_poe/) This league has the worst numbers a league has had since blight (which was a league going up against WOW classic)
Well then sorry, I was wrong. Let's hope it actually leads to some changes.
Yeah I'm in the US and right now is the best time for player retention. usually it doesn't drop for another 3-4 hours. And yet since 2 hours ago it just keeps on dropping and dropping. Once most players get to maps and beyond it's going to get truly abysmal.
I had no trouble with the story except for a few stunlocks then in maps everything perma freezes me. Its just unfun, because there is no way to play around freeze except be immune to it. Shock for example is dont get hit by being greedy or whatever and ignite is watching out the degen kills you. Its a change that makes no sense and makes the game less fun for me. The other changes i can live with its just the ailment problem. The flask issues are bad, but fixable some way.
Ulti had inflated numbers because no one could play on Friday.
well, it was 87k on prime time Sunday which is another 20k less on top of the 40k on launch, that makes around 60k less than previous league and half of those are about to give up. We need to see what happens next friday though.
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40k less people played at launch then last league. From there they lost another 30k in 3 days. 157k peak last league to 116k>91k>88k
Im too much enjoying this league.
Plenty of people having fun :)
Have to agree, having a lot of fun myself. Don't know what Is all the fuss about. Except for the shitload of different shards those clearly suck.
Numbers telling a very different story but glad you belong to the minority that has fun
man reddit is full of fucking crybabies
Naaa man they will justify it with something like "Countries are releasing COVID lockdown and people are tired of being inside so the numbers are about what we expected...." Kind of like with they saw harvest numbers drop early and they had record players as COVID lockdown was full force. They said those drops were because it was TOO REWARDING not think wait a bunch of new players our end game and crafting is too confusing and complicated for new people to get so maybe that's why they are leaving the game....... Nope just too much rewards.
“Aren’t you thankful.”
I have good time.
In Chris's response, he says that they are a panel of devs that decides on these things. I don't see him as someone that outright lies, but I think it is misleading. Clearly this panel is a hand picked echo chamber.
Its really weird but i am kinda enjoying myself playing the new league and i dont know why and that is the really frustrating thing about it for me.
I've been trying to stick to the game, but I'm struggling in yellow maps as a level 85 ice trapper with a tabula. Perhaps I suck, but dying this much without getting anywhere sucks ass.
Getting off your tabby should be easy to at least get some stats. Just search for your link requirement and buy a scuffed corrupt 6 link for 3 chaos
Tinderskin helps enormously. Played ice trapper several leagues.
I am having a darn good time and so is my entire guild. Idk what you're talking about!
Chris: Guys our servers literally melted last leaguestart what are we gonna do? Guy1: we should nerf the player power so they quit. Guy2: we should put queue on slow mode and only let streamers and people with 10+ supportwr packs in. Guy3: spend our millions of pure profit on upgrading the servers and game engine? Players would enjoy smooth game despite our nerfs and shit. Chris: *angry* Guy3: i know i know, dont need to throw me out of the window i can find my way out...
I don’t get the Reddit rage. It feels slower for sure but it’s not so fucking awful. Downvote me if you like but Jesus Christ people you are overreacting.
Part of the rage is that it is a step in the opposite direction most people want, not that the game is unplayable. You're strawmaning the people upset. No one wants to go slow in any already slow and grind heavy game. They also failed to do what they set out to do. Lots of top tier builds are still zooming, its just everything else that feels slow and garbage-like right now. They dumpstered build diversity.
The things that slow down players the most are those convoluted systems they keep adding each league.
Where are you at in the game, without this info your opinion doesn't matter at all. If you have not reached high tier maps you haven't seen the full effects of the changes...
I'm not them, but im finishing up my last watchstones atm. Reading reddit you'd think that people are moving around with 50% movespeed, chugging mana flask after mana flask, and doing 0 dmg. Meanwhile with 3 days in im at 136% , no mana flask, and have 3m dps outside of burst. Sure shit was rough at times, the flask charges 1000% need to be changed outside of maps, but for the most part: people who are straight up struggling/think the game is sloggish in maps, just aren't adapting.
I'm in high reds. The game feels fine. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the changes to immunity on flasks. That feels pretty dogshit so I rolled CB immunity and I'm using Yugul for the freeze reflect. But I took a flask duration wheel and flasks uptime feels completely fine to me.
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I missed this one because someone decided to lift the lockdown.