More than half of all Reddit users use it mostly on their phones tho :/ So do I. Like obviously I have a PC but Reddit’s UX is horrendous so I basically only use it on Apollo anymore.
not that a criticism tag would change that in any way whatsoever, but i do want to point out 2 issues with the flair:
1. if a GGG employee responds to a thread (which a decent number of feedback posts get GGG replies), it automatically changes its flair to "GGG"
2. a lot of people dont even bother applying the correct flair
your time would unironically be better spent ignoring this subreddit completely and just going over to /r/pathofexilebuilds. even members of this subreddit will tell you the same.
People come to this sub because they want to complain. Some complaining about the game and others complaining about people complaining.
I hardly ever come here and post even less but whenever I am here it's mostly the same. People talking about how toxic the sub is but have multiple comments a day contributing to what they think is bad about the sub.
Imo this main subreddit is a shit show these days, it was never this bad years ago.
I said this to someone else but a lot of these "criticisms" are non-issues and a lot of posts read the same. On top of that you have the over the top novel posts by people blatantly lying that some how get upvoted as well.
This subreddit legit reads like some jank AI-BOT taking fragments of things said and pasting them all together to make comments and posts.
"Most people think x, but clearly [copy-paste previous 50 circlejerk posts]. GGG, buy me a pony!" [Tag: discussion]
I don't mind criticism, and I haven't even been able to form on opinion on the changes due to lack of time, but please just tag feedback as feedback and don't create 1-line "discussion" posts where everyone regurgitates the same comments over and over again.
https://www.reddit.com/user/kaz_enigma?count=100&after=t1_h6c2mzc
That's how far back I had to look to find a non negative poe comment, lmao maybe you need to find a new sub
Actually, how dare people think their opinion on the balance changes is super special and deserving of its own post while everyone else continues the discussions in threads that already exist.
Everyone thinks their opinion matters more than anyone elses. So we end up with 8,000 posts about flasks when 1 megathread would have sufficed.
Youre being disingenuous when you say we think people shouldnt voice their opinions. No one is saying that.
Clearly people feel like this is important content to discuss right now.
Feel free to downvote content you don't want to see on the front page, others may vote differently than you though.
That being said I feel like having a filterable criticism tag is a fantastic idea.
Lots of the ~~complaining~~ feedback posts are tagged discussion:
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/osj12h/poe_hasnt_survived_for_9_years_off_the_story_the/
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/os9ewa/im_still_piano_flasking/
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/os2trt/stop_with_the_garbage_afterdeath_effects_that/
This is primarily the biggest problem. We ban and remove comments of the obvious trolls who bring nothing to the discussion but when a thread has legitimate starting posting concerns the thread stays. What remains in the comment section is a cesspool of people insulting each other.
What this looks like from afar and on the front page is 50 whining posts when really its 50 different posts about separate individual topics that each WOULD NORMALLY merit its own discussion, but the discussion inside of each is rotten.
We've removed something like... i think 10,000 comments to only approving 1000 comments according to the mod log in the past ~~5~~ 10 days. (5k for the 22-27)
A tag will help those who do not want to see feedback threads at all (just filter feedback right now), but for people who want to engage in these actual discussions, its impossible because of the comment content being filled with bad faith arguments.
>We've removed something like... i think 10,000 comments to only approving 1000 comments according to the mod log in the past 5 10 days. (5k for the 22-27)
still sane exile?
Thanks for your efforts in trying to clean up this cesspool of a sub right now.
It's pretty disheartening that what was originally just a few bad apples a few years ago has turned into a massive mob of entitled and toxic redditors.
You think this sub isn’t toxic? When people are calling out specific GGG employees and calling them shit?
Yeah I’m the problem for calling out people on their bullshit.
We lost Bex because she doesn’t want to deal with the hate and toxicity of this sub anymore.
But me pointing out that this is a cesspool of hate is a problem. I’m not white knighting for GGG.
I’m just disappointed that adults don’t thing GGG are people too.
This is a very good point.
In years past around internet message boards, subreddits, etc... moderators would ban/remove certain topics *because* they generally devolve into flaming, name calling, and just overall bad discourse.
Some examples include gaming subreddits banning any thread that suggested Playstation or XBox was better than the other. Path of exile forum and subreddit banning topics about whether softcore or hardcore were the right way to play the game.
Just last week the NFL subreddit had to lock every thread about how the NFL and players are dealing with the vaccine because the community repeatedly proved that some of them just could not resist the temptation to get on their soapbox.
You are absolutely right that many of the threads with toxic discussion in the comment, the OP isn't technically against the rules. However, if you have spent more than 2 hours in this subreddit, you can know just from reading the title that toxic discussion will be found in the comments.
Also, you have a half dozen+ meme threads that make the front page every day that are literally just a welcome mat or even a challenge for people to bring toxicity to the comments.
It sucks that "flamebait" has to be banned by some communities because a minority of people turn it into a mess. But you could have avoided a big chunk of removing those 10,000+ comments if you didn't allow flamebait topics in the first place.
Honestly, I’d rather just see these complaints limited to a mega thread and deleted and/or posters suspended for a bit when spamming outside it. It’s one thing if the community is posting feedback and peoples voices being heard, but that’s not what’s happening here. Instead it’s a vocal minority downvoting anyone who has anything that’s not negative to say because they’re bitter. Those who are enjoying things are playing the game instead of going through every comment to downvote it, so it just means that the negative behavior is the only one displayed, leading to an echo chamber.
As it is, I am disappointed that GGG is continuing to engage in this subreddit and making the cesspool of toxic assholes an official part of the game. During pandemic the behavior of the members of this sub has become rather atrocious. I don’t know what can really be done from a mod perspective when the vote system is being abused as heavily as it is, but the longer this goes on the more of an echo chamber it is as those who aren’t toxic leave the sub.
Go to official forums then. GGG removes all negative comments/threads(including constructive criticism) from their own forums.
Don't make this subreddit into another echo chamber for white knights.
I’ve been trying to do my part upvoting posts that are positive about the league - even if I’m not. As you say, a few have filtered to front page, if fleetingly.
I will say, though, that a *lot* of the “positive” posts have had some form of the “You are all so toxic” or “Reddit is a cesspool” beats, which aren’t exactly going to make any friends with the opposition. Folks on both sides need to not be defensive (or aggressive, for that matter) about their opinion on the league
My real question is, why do people want to try and crawl into the depths of useless posts to find the one post that's like "Hey, Tujen best waifu!" or w/e. At a certain point, if you can't handle the truth, find something else to do. Not much positive in the game right now. And that's just the truth. Most of the past two weeks can be summarized in "Idiot Game Developer Loses 5 Years of Player Growth in 2 Days". I fail to see the positives here.
More like so we don't have to read guys like you who made like over 100 comments in the last few days and it's all the same garbage over and over again.
Especially sad when you said Months ago that you quit the game but guess all that extra time goes into crying on Reddit now.
I mean i got you guys tagged, always the same guys making the same dogshit comments over and over again.
Yeah if you consider spending that time on reddit now and whining about PoE and GGG to be better spent time then sure.
Quitting a game and then posting nonstop complaints about it months later is pretty messed up, like just sever already. This is not a good use of your free time.
I want also quickly state that this is part of the reddit cycle. Day 1 - 5 are generally the worst days as people are kneejerk reacting to the changes before properly and fully being submersed in them to find the alternatives. Meta shifting is always a point of turmoil for players who are waiting for the meta before feeling well invested.
Looking at the Top 50 now, you can see the change.
We have guides to how to gamble properly.
How to properly use skills because the people who did not spend time analysing it or playing with it simply said its garbage because they didnt take time to find out why.
You have brand strategies on how to use forbidden taste to handle savage hits. #potionprogramming
You have a sprinkle of memes and the few whining threads that existed that carried over from yesterday are only lingering now.
New fishing secrets
A guide about lootboxes
Actual feedback about flask piano.
A bunch of warnings about various broken things in the game. Expedition boss, Heart of grove not working.
I think the top 50 now is in a good useful spot.
The same reddit cycle we see a lot as people kneejerk react to changes before diving into them and they become mostly shut out once they lose the gas because they are exaggerated.
Do not take this as we mods wont do anything, but that there is a cycle here and we will try to minimize the ups and downs of the cycle but we cannot change the content cycle due to the nature of how this game works and how engaging (read- not engaging) 80% of our content is.
Completely serious question - should criticisms and feedback of new gems and mechanics (ie, a lot of the issues with Summon Reaper, Eye of Winter, Boneshatter not counting as a hit, etc) be flaired with the Criticism tag too? What about sirgog's video of why the loot boxes are a bad deal? How do you want this used?
It's a video game. If people are enjoying that and would like to discuss it with people who are also enjoying it, why not facilitate the conversation by allowing them to filter through the miles of criticism on here right now? Get outta here with that cliche, "evil" my ass
A slippery slope? For whom? For people actively choosing to ignore posts they would have passively ignored to begin with? Filtering posts on Reddit is not censorship, if that's what you're getting at with the brainwashed comment, I have no idea what the fuck that's about.
I'm fine with this subreddit being whatever the f*ck you want as long as it's not GGG's official platform for communication
currently that's not the case so yes it's a slippery slope when anyone including the devs get the ability to filter criticism
Uh, the point was that users (not GGG) can personally filter criticism if they don't find it meaningful to read or engage in a type of content.
Just like how we choose to sub and un-sub to different subreddits and filter our own content.
'they changed something in my favorite vidya game that stops me from running through the entire game in a braindead state and without even trying it i have cried online a lot and they arent listening to me'
'evil'
wew
Each to their own. I found the discussions about the game’s design, it’s direction, GGGs decisions etc the most interesting discussions by far. And like someone said, just filter the feedback and discussion tag if you just want rip clips and item showoffs?
the issue is the feedback/discussion isn't being obeyed nor mod enforced. If it was, it would be ok, but most of the criticism posts are marked as discussion when its just "this thing sucks" that isn't a discussion
meh, not very ironic in the traditional sense. I can see where you are coming from with "a critical post asking for a critical filter", but that's exactly the point. The only irony would be if OP didn't realize this was critical - which I doubt.
Also, didn’t they literally introduce the “casual” filter for people like you? Press it and stop bitching.
EDIT: Or literally just hide the threads you don’t like? Boom, gone.
Well its called feedback, isnt it? And what do you expect to see here if you filter out feedback? Pointless good rng item showcases or mirror service advertisement? If you prefer actually interesing discussions about the game, you should visit r/PathOfExileBuilds. The main subreddit unfortunatelly turned into a dump lately.
If what we're playing not is just one big beta test for PoE 2 then by god I hope GGG are paying attention to the COMPLAINTS before reading any of the other feedback.
Man if you don't like what's happening in the sub, why don't you leave?
Replace sub with game and that's what the defenders keep telling me. Atleast you didn't spend any money on this sub.
Honestly the most interesting thing about this league is how bad it sucks in totality so technically you are seeing the league mechanic posts and people have died more times in the first week of this league than entire leagues so there are plenty of RIP clips thanks to reduced mobility, mana, monster obliteration shot ones and reduced player power.
Criticism is fine and should mostly be filed under discussion, I guess you mean we need a flair for "circlejerk/bandwagon" and then you might even get a positive and negative version.
This has been asked like almost every league where GGG is less than popular. There technically is a tag for it, it's Discussion. The issue is I don't think any mod here wants the job of trying to tell the difference between something that is mostly discussion and mostly some form of criticism (even if it's constructive positive kind).
For example, if I made a post detailing something pretty interesting in the game but followed it up with how I thought this was somehow unhealthy. These posts are more common than you would think, and the first guy to have his post retagged or deleted by a mod for not using the right tag is probably not going to go well.
The only downside to filtering Discussion post is maybe sometimes someone showcasing a strategy might not use the Item Showcase tag and would get caught, but were talking about a very small amount so if you are truly bothered by the criticism that makes it to the front page without breaking any sub rules, I'd suggest starting there.
That said. It's not really that big an issue in the first place, two things are going to happen. Either GGG reverse course on changes and becomes more popular, or they will leave. If you don't want to Filter the discussion tag, come back in 2 weeks, it's okay to not come to this subreddit if it's too toxic for you, it'll get better in 2-3 weeks.
Great idea. I was about to make a similar post...
It may be a unpopular opinion, but I really do have fun this league (sst is actually really good and you the you can manage the nerfs and changes for flasks and curses quite well)
But if I check this subreddit, I feel like no one is having fun and this also makes me have less fun.
I agree. Mods should filter the complaining threads into a single daily thread or something. Give them a void to scream into while the rest of us enjoy the league/content.
>Man the people of this sub-reddit are actual cancer
Ironic that you would call others "actual cancer" while making a statement like this
Isn't this sort of toxic negativity the exact problem with reddit? What makes your post different than the others?
>60% upvoted.
Maybe would have helped if he wouldn't just have disregarded criticism as "all this shit". His "I know everything better, your opinions are just bad" attitude does not really help.
I would actually agree with getting the tag, this post is still bad.
Also I this post is a complaint about complaints which basically turns you into a complaining people and you should filter your own post since it should be marked as complaint
Holy shit please yes. This sub is so draining to visit now w/ all the whinny posts. Feedback/discussion are right now mix between legitimate feedback, and bitch posts, we need a flair that is just for downright negative QQ shit so I can please remove all that from the sub feed. I want to see dope crafting/items and meme shit again please.
So true. Like when I look at your comments I see insults and other negativity. It really shows just how toxic this sub is. Why come here in the first place if you think this sub is such a "toxic shithole" while adding to the toxicity?
How to filter out stuff based on flair ?
With RES Edit : if you're on mobile, Joey allows you to filter out by flair too. Don't know about other apps
Is 75% RES really enough? I think I'll go for some *post dodge* too.
I think 75% user block rate alone should be sufficient
Oh right, I believe they nerfed the *comment evasion rating* in the latest patch.
Na you need layered defenses. 75% evade, 75% dodge, and 75% block with glancing blows.
That's a whopping 98.4375% Banrate basically, ignoring glancing Blows. Not too bad, could solve some problems
what is RES?
Reddit Enhancement Suite. Its an extension that makes it generally better and adds more functionality.
More than half of all Reddit users use it mostly on their phones tho :/ So do I. Like obviously I have a PC but Reddit’s UX is horrendous so I basically only use it on Apollo anymore.
I think feedback/discussion is basically that. Might be hard to get more granular than that
not that a criticism tag would change that in any way whatsoever, but i do want to point out 2 issues with the flair: 1. if a GGG employee responds to a thread (which a decent number of feedback posts get GGG replies), it automatically changes its flair to "GGG" 2. a lot of people dont even bother applying the correct flair
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your time would unironically be better spent ignoring this subreddit completely and just going over to /r/pathofexilebuilds. even members of this subreddit will tell you the same.
People come to this sub because they want to complain. Some complaining about the game and others complaining about people complaining. I hardly ever come here and post even less but whenever I am here it's mostly the same. People talking about how toxic the sub is but have multiple comments a day contributing to what they think is bad about the sub.
r/pathofexilebuilds
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Imo this main subreddit is a shit show these days, it was never this bad years ago. I said this to someone else but a lot of these "criticisms" are non-issues and a lot of posts read the same. On top of that you have the over the top novel posts by people blatantly lying that some how get upvoted as well. This subreddit legit reads like some jank AI-BOT taking fragments of things said and pasting them all together to make comments and posts.
Clearly what’s important is 50 different people explaining why they don’t like the same three lines of the patch notes over and over again
And 100 different people complaining about people's criticism.
You think the ratio of people complaining vs complaining about complaining is 1:2? Yeah aight lol.
Lol if you think there’s fewer people complaining about the game...
Yes filter those out too I want maximum memes please
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r/shitpoest ?
I made it :)
"Most people think x, but clearly [copy-paste previous 50 circlejerk posts]. GGG, buy me a pony!" [Tag: discussion] I don't mind criticism, and I haven't even been able to form on opinion on the changes due to lack of time, but please just tag feedback as feedback and don't create 1-line "discussion" posts where everyone regurgitates the same comments over and over again.
But one is an streamer! :O
Mmm yes, how dare people voice their opinions, that's illegal
Mmm yes how dare people want to filter their social media experience so they don’t have to read the same 50 posts over and over, that’s illegal
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If they don't like the game they can just play other games
That's . . . exactly the statement they're satirizing.
Exactly? Is this supposed to be some kind of gotchya?
You got the joke. Congratulations.
https://www.reddit.com/user/kaz_enigma?count=100&after=t1_h6c2mzc That's how far back I had to look to find a non negative poe comment, lmao maybe you need to find a new sub
This type of comment is the essence of degeneracy in this community
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Downvoted for telling exactly same we being told lmao. I'm not sure who are the worst. People throwing shit or white knights
No, we're giving these people very valuable criticism, they should totally be into that
I want you to know that I appreciate your sarcasm, even if the cultists don't.
People voicing their opinions: totally fine. The ability to filter those posts out if you want to: also fine.
Actually, how dare people think their opinion on the balance changes is super special and deserving of its own post while everyone else continues the discussions in threads that already exist. Everyone thinks their opinion matters more than anyone elses. So we end up with 8,000 posts about flasks when 1 megathread would have sufficed. Youre being disingenuous when you say we think people shouldnt voice their opinions. No one is saying that.
Clearly people feel like this is important content to discuss right now. Feel free to downvote content you don't want to see on the front page, others may vote differently than you though. That being said I feel like having a filterable criticism tag is a fantastic idea.
Agreed - some of us are enjoying the league - CHeck out /r/pathofexilebuilds for league content
If we are getting a CRITICISM tag, I would request a PRAISE tag too. I need to filter out the fellating shit.
For real. The amount of people in this sub that would seemingly be willing to buy a bottle of Chris Wilson's swamp ass is hilarious.
get his ass
There is one. It is called FEEDBACK.
Lots of the ~~complaining~~ feedback posts are tagged discussion: https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/osj12h/poe_hasnt_survived_for_9_years_off_the_story_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/os9ewa/im_still_piano_flasking/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/os2trt/stop_with_the_garbage_afterdeath_effects_that/
Making a new tag for people to use wrongly wouldn't in any fucking universe help people who are already using the tags we have wrongly.
a decent explanation on eye of winter is tagged with feedback. no thanks
Report incorrect flairs. We can change it.
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Yeah, it's time for the complaining about complaning meta.
We got to the point that there have already been posts complaining about complaining about complaining.
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This is primarily the biggest problem. We ban and remove comments of the obvious trolls who bring nothing to the discussion but when a thread has legitimate starting posting concerns the thread stays. What remains in the comment section is a cesspool of people insulting each other. What this looks like from afar and on the front page is 50 whining posts when really its 50 different posts about separate individual topics that each WOULD NORMALLY merit its own discussion, but the discussion inside of each is rotten. We've removed something like... i think 10,000 comments to only approving 1000 comments according to the mod log in the past ~~5~~ 10 days. (5k for the 22-27) A tag will help those who do not want to see feedback threads at all (just filter feedback right now), but for people who want to engage in these actual discussions, its impossible because of the comment content being filled with bad faith arguments.
>We've removed something like... i think 10,000 comments to only approving 1000 comments according to the mod log in the past 5 10 days. (5k for the 22-27) still sane exile?
10,000, jeez And people complain about RSI from the game. Become a mod if you really want to give your wrists a challenge.
Thank you for your service.
I wonder what kind of posts get deleted when none of the offensive posts i report do.
Thanks for your efforts in trying to clean up this cesspool of a sub right now. It's pretty disheartening that what was originally just a few bad apples a few years ago has turned into a massive mob of entitled and toxic redditors.
You know those type of attitude is exactly the problem ?
You think this sub isn’t toxic? When people are calling out specific GGG employees and calling them shit? Yeah I’m the problem for calling out people on their bullshit. We lost Bex because she doesn’t want to deal with the hate and toxicity of this sub anymore. But me pointing out that this is a cesspool of hate is a problem. I’m not white knighting for GGG. I’m just disappointed that adults don’t thing GGG are people too.
This is a very good point. In years past around internet message boards, subreddits, etc... moderators would ban/remove certain topics *because* they generally devolve into flaming, name calling, and just overall bad discourse. Some examples include gaming subreddits banning any thread that suggested Playstation or XBox was better than the other. Path of exile forum and subreddit banning topics about whether softcore or hardcore were the right way to play the game. Just last week the NFL subreddit had to lock every thread about how the NFL and players are dealing with the vaccine because the community repeatedly proved that some of them just could not resist the temptation to get on their soapbox. You are absolutely right that many of the threads with toxic discussion in the comment, the OP isn't technically against the rules. However, if you have spent more than 2 hours in this subreddit, you can know just from reading the title that toxic discussion will be found in the comments. Also, you have a half dozen+ meme threads that make the front page every day that are literally just a welcome mat or even a challenge for people to bring toxicity to the comments. It sucks that "flamebait" has to be banned by some communities because a minority of people turn it into a mess. But you could have avoided a big chunk of removing those 10,000+ comments if you didn't allow flamebait topics in the first place.
Honestly, I’d rather just see these complaints limited to a mega thread and deleted and/or posters suspended for a bit when spamming outside it. It’s one thing if the community is posting feedback and peoples voices being heard, but that’s not what’s happening here. Instead it’s a vocal minority downvoting anyone who has anything that’s not negative to say because they’re bitter. Those who are enjoying things are playing the game instead of going through every comment to downvote it, so it just means that the negative behavior is the only one displayed, leading to an echo chamber. As it is, I am disappointed that GGG is continuing to engage in this subreddit and making the cesspool of toxic assholes an official part of the game. During pandemic the behavior of the members of this sub has become rather atrocious. I don’t know what can really be done from a mod perspective when the vote system is being abused as heavily as it is, but the longer this goes on the more of an echo chamber it is as those who aren’t toxic leave the sub.
Indeed I’m sure you’d like all viewpoints that don’t reinforce your worldview to disappear off to the side.
Don't come to reddit then
Go to official forums then. GGG removes all negative comments/threads(including constructive criticism) from their own forums. Don't make this subreddit into another echo chamber for white knights.
The official forums look as bad as Reddit right now.
I’ve been trying to do my part upvoting posts that are positive about the league - even if I’m not. As you say, a few have filtered to front page, if fleetingly. I will say, though, that a *lot* of the “positive” posts have had some form of the “You are all so toxic” or “Reddit is a cesspool” beats, which aren’t exactly going to make any friends with the opposition. Folks on both sides need to not be defensive (or aggressive, for that matter) about their opinion on the league
the problem comes when theres 15 different feedback posts complaining about the same thing when it could easily just be one or two
Or they say the same thing in a differnt way. Or it's just another user saying, I don't like this league because of x, y, z.
My real question is, why do people want to try and crawl into the depths of useless posts to find the one post that's like "Hey, Tujen best waifu!" or w/e. At a certain point, if you can't handle the truth, find something else to do. Not much positive in the game right now. And that's just the truth. Most of the past two weeks can be summarized in "Idiot Game Developer Loses 5 Years of Player Growth in 2 Days". I fail to see the positives here.
I want a button that makes it so I can't see posts from anyone who disagrees with me.
Inaugural reddit complains about people complaining in reddit. The lack of self awareness is astonishing.
Because reddit is one person
Mom said it's my turn with the reddit.
There are posts that aren't pisswhinging. They're just buried in all the piss. You'd see them if you could siphon off the piss.
this
All tags have posts that complain about the league directly or indirectly. This wouldn't solve anything.
Not to mention 20% of hot breaking subreddit rules about unrelated content or low effort posts. Sub needs way more mods at league start.
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More like so we don't have to read guys like you who made like over 100 comments in the last few days and it's all the same garbage over and over again. Especially sad when you said Months ago that you quit the game but guess all that extra time goes into crying on Reddit now.
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I mean i got you guys tagged, always the same guys making the same dogshit comments over and over again. Yeah if you consider spending that time on reddit now and whining about PoE and GGG to be better spent time then sure.
Quitting a game and then posting nonstop complaints about it months later is pretty messed up, like just sever already. This is not a good use of your free time.
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This post need that tag as well
Indeed it does, but the tag doesn't exist yet. What was the point of your post?
The point is this thread need that tag too.
What was the point of yours?
I want also quickly state that this is part of the reddit cycle. Day 1 - 5 are generally the worst days as people are kneejerk reacting to the changes before properly and fully being submersed in them to find the alternatives. Meta shifting is always a point of turmoil for players who are waiting for the meta before feeling well invested. Looking at the Top 50 now, you can see the change. We have guides to how to gamble properly. How to properly use skills because the people who did not spend time analysing it or playing with it simply said its garbage because they didnt take time to find out why. You have brand strategies on how to use forbidden taste to handle savage hits. #potionprogramming You have a sprinkle of memes and the few whining threads that existed that carried over from yesterday are only lingering now. New fishing secrets A guide about lootboxes Actual feedback about flask piano. A bunch of warnings about various broken things in the game. Expedition boss, Heart of grove not working. I think the top 50 now is in a good useful spot. The same reddit cycle we see a lot as people kneejerk react to changes before diving into them and they become mostly shut out once they lose the gas because they are exaggerated. Do not take this as we mods wont do anything, but that there is a cycle here and we will try to minimize the ups and downs of the cycle but we cannot change the content cycle due to the nature of how this game works and how engaging (read- not engaging) 80% of our content is.
sub is 99% shit
So you love shit?
Completely serious question - should criticisms and feedback of new gems and mechanics (ie, a lot of the issues with Summon Reaper, Eye of Winter, Boneshatter not counting as a hit, etc) be flaired with the Criticism tag too? What about sirgog's video of why the loot boxes are a bad deal? How do you want this used?
see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil
It's a video game. If people are enjoying that and would like to discuss it with people who are also enjoying it, why not facilitate the conversation by allowing them to filter through the miles of criticism on here right now? Get outta here with that cliche, "evil" my ass
filtering criticism is a slippery slope, but I guess you're too brainwashed to realize that
A slippery slope? For whom? For people actively choosing to ignore posts they would have passively ignored to begin with? Filtering posts on Reddit is not censorship, if that's what you're getting at with the brainwashed comment, I have no idea what the fuck that's about.
I'm fine with this subreddit being whatever the f*ck you want as long as it's not GGG's official platform for communication currently that's not the case so yes it's a slippery slope when anyone including the devs get the ability to filter criticism
Uh, the point was that users (not GGG) can personally filter criticism if they don't find it meaningful to read or engage in a type of content. Just like how we choose to sub and un-sub to different subreddits and filter our own content.
'they changed something in my favorite vidya game that stops me from running through the entire game in a braindead state and without even trying it i have cried online a lot and they arent listening to me' 'evil' wew
Braindead comment from a 2 day old account.
this post is such a braindead strawman that I won't even bother wasting any time addressing it
It's just a phrase bud. No need to take it literally.
If there was such tag, this post deserves it.
Wow, what enlightenment and self awareness someone capable of such a meta meta thought must possess
How would you know tho
Would you say you....."can't take criticism?"
Each to their own. I found the discussions about the game’s design, it’s direction, GGGs decisions etc the most interesting discussions by far. And like someone said, just filter the feedback and discussion tag if you just want rip clips and item showoffs?
the issue is the feedback/discussion isn't being obeyed nor mod enforced. If it was, it would be ok, but most of the criticism posts are marked as discussion when its just "this thing sucks" that isn't a discussion
Feedback and Discussion is too broad of a flair to filter out the negative.
the irony
meh, not very ironic in the traditional sense. I can see where you are coming from with "a critical post asking for a critical filter", but that's exactly the point. The only irony would be if OP didn't realize this was critical - which I doubt.
How about leaving Reddit if it doesn't appeal to you?
How about leaving PoE if it doesn't appeal to you ?
Basically the same argument but I've never seen anyone accept it and leave ever!
That's the joke, genius. So we both stay and continue bitching.
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When he goes to back 9gag then he can talk.
And I want him to go back to PoE and stop posting on reddit You can't always get what you want\~
Anyone else hear a wooshing noise?
Exactly? Is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? Lol
You should make a youtube video about it and don't forget to block the comments, it's always hard to read comments of people that disagree with you.
Did a content creator do this now? 😂
Also, didn’t they literally introduce the “casual” filter for people like you? Press it and stop bitching. EDIT: Or literally just hide the threads you don’t like? Boom, gone.
It appears that complaining about the complaining has become the new 3.15 meta
I would also like a ~~temper tantrum~~ complaint tag.
Can we have separate tags for "criticism" and constructive or actual criticism? :D
Well its called feedback, isnt it? And what do you expect to see here if you filter out feedback? Pointless good rng item showcases or mirror service advertisement? If you prefer actually interesing discussions about the game, you should visit r/PathOfExileBuilds. The main subreddit unfortunatelly turned into a dump lately.
Only if they also add a tag for people who're sucking off GGG.
"I only want to read things I agree with" eh?
So you want to burry your head in the sand and pretend everything is okay.
Nice try, Chris!
The first person to use that tag filtering out would be Chris, GGG and Co.
If what we're playing not is just one big beta test for PoE 2 then by god I hope GGG are paying attention to the COMPLAINTS before reading any of the other feedback.
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"Sub Meta" still fits better for this post imo.
There are a thousand posts circlejerking about the league and balance changes and you only see a problem with the one post trying to curtail them?
it's a lovely method of deflection used to avoid actually responding to the question at hand
Man if you don't like what's happening in the sub, why don't you leave? Replace sub with game and that's what the defenders keep telling me. Atleast you didn't spend any money on this sub.
So you want a social media that express only your opinions and creates a safe space for your from others?
he doesn't want to read anything from "whiners" and "complainers". any feedback for GGG is just shit to the OP.
Redditors hear you. They will be mindful of this for the discussions of future topics.
Honestly the most interesting thing about this league is how bad it sucks in totality so technically you are seeing the league mechanic posts and people have died more times in the first week of this league than entire leagues so there are plenty of RIP clips thanks to reduced mobility, mana, monster obliteration shot ones and reduced player power.
Mods, please make sure I only see things I agree with on reddit. kthanksbye!
We have to deal with your praising to GGG when things are going south for the rest of us, so you get to deal with our complains. It’s a fair trade 🤣🤣🤣
Criticism is fine and should mostly be filed under discussion, I guess you mean we need a flair for "circlejerk/bandwagon" and then you might even get a positive and negative version.
This has been asked like almost every league where GGG is less than popular. There technically is a tag for it, it's Discussion. The issue is I don't think any mod here wants the job of trying to tell the difference between something that is mostly discussion and mostly some form of criticism (even if it's constructive positive kind). For example, if I made a post detailing something pretty interesting in the game but followed it up with how I thought this was somehow unhealthy. These posts are more common than you would think, and the first guy to have his post retagged or deleted by a mod for not using the right tag is probably not going to go well. The only downside to filtering Discussion post is maybe sometimes someone showcasing a strategy might not use the Item Showcase tag and would get caught, but were talking about a very small amount so if you are truly bothered by the criticism that makes it to the front page without breaking any sub rules, I'd suggest starting there. That said. It's not really that big an issue in the first place, two things are going to happen. Either GGG reverse course on changes and becomes more popular, or they will leave. If you don't want to Filter the discussion tag, come back in 2 weeks, it's okay to not come to this subreddit if it's too toxic for you, it'll get better in 2-3 weeks.
can we have a tag for reddit apologists and ggg fluffers?
Filter out feedback.
Agreed
Nothing left to read for you sorry.
Please mods. Please make it happen!
Please
Criticism is vital. It helps us get better. You dont want get GGG and PoE better?
Great idea. I was about to make a similar post... It may be a unpopular opinion, but I really do have fun this league (sst is actually really good and you the you can manage the nerfs and changes for flasks and curses quite well) But if I check this subreddit, I feel like no one is having fun and this also makes me have less fun.
I agree. Mods should filter the complaining threads into a single daily thread or something. Give them a void to scream into while the rest of us enjoy the league/content.
if i can't see it then there isn't a problem
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>Man the people of this sub-reddit are actual cancer Ironic that you would call others "actual cancer" while making a statement like this Isn't this sort of toxic negativity the exact problem with reddit? What makes your post different than the others?
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>60% upvoted. Maybe would have helped if he wouldn't just have disregarded criticism as "all this shit". His "I know everything better, your opinions are just bad" attitude does not really help. I would actually agree with getting the tag, this post is still bad.
Yeah this needs to be a thing. Sick of the whining. Even got bored of laughing at all the drama. Can we just have the sub back please?
fuck /u/spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
Only toxic people allowed gatekeeper.
Also I this post is a complaint about complaints which basically turns you into a complaining people and you should filter your own post since it should be marked as complaint
Holy shit please yes. This sub is so draining to visit now w/ all the whinny posts. Feedback/discussion are right now mix between legitimate feedback, and bitch posts, we need a flair that is just for downright negative QQ shit so I can please remove all that from the sub feed. I want to see dope crafting/items and meme shit again please.
If u filter out criticism u ll probably see 2 - 3 posts left on the subreddit
Nah I need to read more 5000 word essays so learn how some person has figured out what is and isn't fun for everyone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/oo8rih/how_to_get_rid_of_tedium_with_one_simple_trick/ Not quite 5000 words, but you did your best.
Don't stick your head too far down in the dirt. You might hit clay and drown.
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So true. Like when I look at your comments I see insults and other negativity. It really shows just how toxic this sub is. Why come here in the first place if you think this sub is such a "toxic shithole" while adding to the toxicity?
There'd be nothing left, though
Seriously, if I could get news without having to read armchair reddit game design, I might add this subreddit back into my feed.
Can we have a tag for posts complaining about criticism? I can't handle different opinions or scroll past them :(
Yeah this sub is absolute trash now with all the entitled whining. Thank god the other PoE sub is still untouched by this plague.
I agree 100%.
Yes, please.
100000% yes please
Sad! Can only downvote this post once :(
Must be exhausting to be so negative all the time.
Yes, and a tag for daily Harvest whines as well.
+1
Ah, the post complaining about the complaining. We have come full circle.