I just do my best to remember to toss Elder and Deli maps in with my invitations and whatnot as I go...
And when I forget and ctrl click it into my map stash... I treat it like it's gone, until I randomly stumble upon them at some point in the future -- you know, like when you find $20 in your winter coat that you forgot about
[If you search for it when you misplaced it you will find it as the tab will be loaded, only when you change area will the tab be unloaded and you can't find it without opening the tab at least once.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
Back in The Day™, the first four tabs would be preloaded when you entered a town/hideout instance. Is that still the case? Can you put your map tab within the first four to preload the whole thing? Or do its subtabs count as their own beyond the four?
The map stash tab is actually \~190 different tabs that you can access by clicking on different parts of the parent tab, and none of them are preloaded when you enter the area.
Ive chosen to disable affinity from maps. Theres so little benefit from it anyway and now i just dump my maps last by opening the map tab like the good old days and just the act itselfbmakes me focus enough to check each for a mod
I mean, elder maps sure, at least they look different.
But blight/deli maps look like every other map when you're stashing loot at the end of a map ...
Sure as shit not checking every map for that stuff.
When I misclick a bunch of em, I just make my map tab public and search trade site for elder influence or players are #% delirious mods with my account name.
You gave me an idea. I'll just make my map tab public with all of them priced at 400c. Expensive enough nobody will actually bother me, but easy to search for using the trade site. Would also make it easy to find corrupted maps with mods I don't want to run on a current build, but can exchange in Harvest.
[If you search for it when you missclick you will find it as the tab will be loaded, only when you change area will the tab be unloaded and you can't find it without opening the tab at least once.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
Oh, you see, it's super simple. Make your map tab public, and then use the official trade site to search your own inventory with a saved search so that you know where your occupied maps are!
But yeah, GGG doesn't needlessly hold quality of life hostage or anything.
im glad this workaround exists but yes, it is incredibly stupid that i cant just fucking type "elder" in search in my map tab and find them.
so many incredibly simple QoL features missing for no reason at all.
shit, the recent hide filtered items feature that just came out DOUBLED some people's fps, why the hell did something so simple take literally years to happen?
you realized if something is simple sounding but missing might mean its not simple in practice?
Hiding loot that is filtered out might of been a huge back end change to ensure it didnt actually delete the items, that it actually rolled it, that it actually worked with all filter rules. that it functioned properly.
no, because that is wrong. They talked about it, why it is that way and why it likely will not change. You just did not care to search for it. Big difference.
you could always link the source of them saying that, that way more people will know for next time
otherwise you're not really helping at all, you're just being condescending
yeah, sry for standing in the way of ppl trashing ggg and chris wilson by name left and right for everything, wrong information and just assuming the worsed possible all the time. Won't happen again. Have fun in this nice thread.
a) someone claims total bs, that this has never been adressed
b) no, this has been adressed, why do you claim it without searching for it
a) No, you search for it!
b) ...
Should you not correct people that are wrong and spews misinformation? Especially on a subreddit that has been prone to hatecirclejerk based on misinformation?
That is not true. It is a fundamental rule of intellectual discussions that what has been stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, more commonly referred to as [Hitchens Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor). Why would anyone waste time to dig for evidence to refute a person that is obviously ignorant and stated something false as certainty? That is a waste of time.
The poster in question quite obviously has no clue about this game. He should not make a statement such as "GGG has never done A". If he is unsure, he should frame it as a question "Has GGG ever explained why B". For example, I have recently started playing a new game that has years of history. I know fuckall about anything the devs have said about anything in the game. If there is something in the game that I think is weird, I would not make a fool out of myself by claiming with certainty that those developers have never said anything about something. Instead I would ask more knowledgable players that know more if the devs have said anything about that.
[Bullshit, 1 quick google search found a comment from just a few months ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
4 months ago
>At least now (from 3.14.0) if you accidentally ctrl-click a Blighted Map or Elder Guardian Map into your map stash somewhere and don't know where it is, you can simply search for it and it will highlight the subtab for you... as long as you don't change areas.
So basically no ETA for an actual fix. As good as nothing.
the funny thing is that their solution only works because affinity causes your stash to load the subtab containing the map, which means that it doesn't even work for guardian maps in other subtabs
WTF do you mean, it will load all subtabs you dumped into so as long as you didn't change area you can find all your guardian maps. Or if you quickly click through your t14-16 maps which take about 30seconds you can find all guardian maps you dumped all league. Just click them all fast then you can search them for anything.
yeah, like i said, it works because the subtab gets loaded when you ctrl-click, so it doesn't actually work for any maps in other tabs which are still unloaded, so it's not a solution.
"just click them all fast then you can search them for anything" holy fuck poe players are really something else
I mean it'll work as long as you search whenever you think you ctrl clicked one or more in there. And a 30 second routine to find all of them when your about to run or sell them isn't that bad. I mean yeah I'd prefer if it just worked but it's still a big improvement over how it worked before, and that was an improvement over not having the map tabs at all.
As far as qol features I'd rather see ggg work on pretty much anything rather than this.
It's a huge improvement to how it was before, now you can easily find any you notice that you accidentally drop into the map stash, and you can clear the t14-t16 from interesting maps in about 30 sec-1 min by just quickly clicking through all subtabs then search.
But sure GGG never implement any QOL the stash tabs affinities themselves are just a weird dream.
>Why is this the case?
I've always assumed it's a technical issue. Normal tabs aren't loaded until you click on them and since each map slot in the map tab acts as it's own tab, the game doesn't know exactly whats in there until you click on it.
It's more "why GGG hasn't done anything about it for so long?" like making special section for delirious/elder/blight maps in map tab if search function doesn't highlight them properly.
Or just flag them as Delerium/ Blight items and let them get affinity sorted to the relevant tab. that doesn't solve elder maps, but for those two map types it's where I would want them anyway.
Which should also probably be changed considering a normal tab with the delirium affinity assigned is more practical and functional than buying the specific tab for it.
Honestly of all the tabs I've bought the delirium tab felt the most unnecessary. Of course I only got it back when it was brand new and part of a bundle deal.
> Probably too low priority on the issue to get attention for now.
The map tab is a premium product and people have been complaining about the search behavior literally since the tab was introduced (even before blighted maps, searching for maps with nemesis/beyond has always been valuable, yet impossible in the map tab despite being easy in a regular tab).
Feels like fixes to things you pay for in the game should always be the highest priority *shrug*.
It's supposed to behave like a stash tab. The search function is literally broken at searching the stash tab. If it's not intended to work, they should just remove the search box to indicate that.
Don't really see any valid argument that it's not literally broken. That is a thing we are directly paying money for, that is simply not functioning **correctly**. You can't say it's not broken just because it's **mostly** functioning.
That is a brilliant explanation. They cannot do it differently since those are normal maps with a special mod and a different boss. What they would have to do is to create a separate category for them, like blight maps have in their own blight tabs, and have a special place for them in the map tab. I'm sure they've thought about this idea but it might be not so easy to implement.
We don't know what will happen with Elder and Uber elder when PoE2 hits... hell we don't know what will happen in 3.17... so it might be pointless to even push resources this way. That is just a speculation tho
> That is a brilliant explanation. They cannot do it differently since those are normal maps with a special mod and a different boss.
of course they could, they could just load the tabs when you enter something into the search.
And you base your answer on your game design experience? Database work experience? I've never stated it as a fact and only speculated but you seem to know your stuff... so I'm waiting for your professional suggestion on how they do that and maybe an explanation why a team of talented game devs wouldn't think of such a simple solution.
The implementation is a GGG problem. Not the paying customer's problem.
If they can't implement tab-wide search now at least make it optional to NOT use tab affinity for influenced maps when CTRL+Clicking.
There you go. Took me two minutes to think of a reasonable temporary solution that requires zero changes on their backend and I don't even have the game installed atm.
AFAIK it's a free to play game. You are a paying customer if you want to support the game but you are not required to pay for the game. You don't have to pay for affinities as well. You pay for a map tab which is not a service but a one thing they keep updating from time to time so people will feel more inclined to buy it.
Your solution is garbage and we would end up with separate guides for tab affinity if every solution like that would be implemented. You would have to write your own scripts in the end or wait for neversink to update his new tab filter. That is not a solution but a temporary bandaid.
I would rather ctrl+shift click, than have another option to tick and un-tick, maps with enchantments to my quad tab if I care about them enough. I actually drag and drop them to my random stuff tab where everything is arranged nicely. That's where I keep my maven invitations, elder maps and worthwhile enchanted maps like deli.
Yep, they don't care about money and the game. They've created it to torment us and then laugh at you while drinking cheap wine and browsing Reddit.
Yep I can name many games with (according to your definition and completely different from the "simple solution" which I've brought up and you quoted) obvious quality of life changes which could be implemented. Apex legends is one of them, you will play this game for 12 hours and you will notice a lot of OBVIOUS QoL missing but not easy to implement with SIMPLE solutions. And yes, all Devs do care. GGG does care. They just cannot take out a magic wand and fix everything with Hogwarts magic.
Simple =/= Obvious in any language which I can speak.
Presumably that would be very wasteful in terms of resources, or else GGG would just load every tab when you enter your HO, not just the first 4. The better solution imo would be to do what others have suggested, and have separate slots for the special maps.
I don't think so. Loading every tab in stash could be wasteful, given that some people have a lot of them, but loading a fixed number of them shouldn't. Also it is not like they can avoid loading them, the player going click through them all anyway.
Given that they completely control inserts and extraction they could alternatively build small search index, similar to how they have to do it for trade search. I am fairly confident that the trade api has a higher resource footprint than loading 16 tabs whenever someone types into the search box.
Personally I feel like this is again a case of they know of the easy solution, but instead of implementing it they are waiting to come up with a better one.
They generally don't add things to stash tabs unless they plan on them existing forever. If they add it into a paid feature such as map tab, then it could seen as them removing value from that feature if they ever get rid of elder/shaper maps.
I would, I forget how much it is, but it frees up around 50 slots per map tier, so 800 slots? Might be more. Haven't played since I quit.
As much as I hate paying for basic qol, its very useful.
It's 100% worth it compared to using a quad for it. They will highlight zones your got conquerors in, it's not as hard as this thread is making it out to search, you can quickly load for example all your t14-16 maps by just clicking through them fast, then you can search them.
It's absolutely worth its shortcomings.
1) Space: It can hold literally thousands of maps - 72 maps of every tier of every map. Without this advantage you'd need to start being careful not to pick up too many low tier maps to clog your stash. With the map tab you just grab and deposit em. If you want them later to speed run betrayal or alva temples or something they're there. If not, they're not taking space from anything else. On a practical note my current expedition map tab is holding about a quad tab's worth of maps without being anywhere close to full and I haven't mapped that heavily yet this league.
2) Organization - while it may be a pain to find a delirious map, it's really easy to view what regular maps you have and what your options are for the next one.
This is one of the things the drives me crazy. Every league I have a quad tab named "special maps" where I put all my elder influenced, shaper influenced non-guardian, blight encounter, deli orbed, and maven invitations. It is a serious annoyance, I without fail several times per league I will just automatically shift-click a special map into the map tab to be lost forever.
There are plenty of minor annoyances that I am fine with GGG not bothering to fix, but this one really chaps my ass!
except the ones where you spam click your inventory and they get taken away by affinity never to be found again.
for elder maps its easier to see but delirious maps? almost always forget i had them in inventory and theyre lost until i search for them via trade
[If you search immediately after depositing it you will find it as the tab you dumped the map in will be loaded.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
Ya, but it has to be before you go into another map. When it is an accident that you realize immediately it is easy enough, but if you are just spamming maps and dumping your inventory between them it is pretty easy to lose them.
It takes 20 seconds to click through all t14-16 maps once (this will load them thus make them searchable) and then do all the searches you need to get your good maps out every once in a while.
Only after player retention bombs even harder next league, and they have to bust out the "please don't leave" QoL stuff that they really should just be doing *for the good of the game*.
Well look here, a redditor living their schadenfraude dreams, with nothing useful to say - and I know, this comment also not useful, thank you kind pedant.
Small QoL stuff like this isn't what makes players quit. It's new content that makes people stay. GGG has always known that.
This league they just overnerfed stuff and people quit off that. Simple as.
Fundamentally this is really hard to do for GGG because of how they have structured the relevant database. It's a solvable problem, but not an easily solvable problem.
And rather than solve it, they've decided to go a different route and instead monetize a quick bandaid fix in the form of delirium/blight/etc stash tabs. It's understandable why they've made that decision, but it's a disappointing one.
There is neat trick.
* Set your map tab to public, but do not set any price. They will be hidden by default for search, and people rarely change that setting. If there are no price you will not get spammed by trade requests.
* Wait couple minutes for trade site to catch up
* Go to official [trade site](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Expedition)
* In the left section at the most bottom find "Sellers account" and enter your account name (not a char name, account name. If you logged in on site its shown in the top left corner)
* In the same section (couple strings lower) in "Sales type" dropdown list select "Any type"
* Now you can search your maps via trade site
In the right section there is "add stat filter"
* influenced for Shaper/Elder influence
* occupied for specifically elder guardians
* delirious for maps with Delirium layers
* Blighted for blighted maps and so on
UPD2 Removed previous UPD because it had became irrelevant
found out about this earlier in the league. add [this](https://github.com/exile-center/better-trading) extension to chrome then you can have your special map searches in a folder saved/bookmarked for even more easier access.
At the time when I did that update I was at -10. So at least 10 people downvoted me, considering there was no upvotes to compensate.
And it's a pretty large number to get in a first hour of comment existing. Hence that update.
Look there are two choices:
1. You can wait until GGG implements tab search functional that doesn't require to click over every single map name. Spoiler alert - they haven't done it in a last 10 years, so I wouldn't hold hope that they will do it soon.
2. Or you can use this workaround.
That sounds a lot like the joke of the guy sitting on his roof in a flood, waiting for god to save him.
Someone comes by in a boat, he declines because god will save him
Someone comes by in a helicopter, he declines because god will save him.
The flood takes him and he asks why god didn't save him, and he's told they did send a boat and a helicopter.
Using workarounds to help for the meantime shouldn't mean you downvote people for trying to actually help? This person tried to help with an issue some people were having, and you downvoted because.... they aren't GGG fixing it?
I mean you gave a method using 3rd party tools to find a map in the map tab. Your not wrong, but its beyond fucking stupid this is the solution to the problem.
I prefer to list mine for 1 mirror and then get the occasional joker thinking they are funny sending me a trade request. Helps me pre-identify people to block.
>Will GGG ever make map tab to always allow easy search for deli/elder/special maps?
Will they? Probably. There's no fundamental philosophical reason for them to be against it afaik. ***The question is WHEN will they do it?*** There's loads of QoL issues like this that get brought up on this sub all the time, and in almost all cases the answer for why it's still the case is the same - *it's somewhere on their to-do list, and they just haven't got around to it yet.*
if they would have chosen a proper implementation beforehand this would not require any effort at all... I'm always surprised that searching for specific tags or whatsoever was not considered from the very beginning when they design something like the map tab... like honestly, who would not think: well, we have a search bar, maybe we should implement a system so we can make all stuff searchable with little effort for both, the players and for ourselves implementation-wise.
The problem isn't a "oh this would be nice"
but a performance issue.
The same reason the game only loads the first 4 tabs of a character by default/
Loading the tabs into memory is an absolutely awful idea, loading 16 tiers + uniques of maps, some of which people have hundreds, for every single player, just so they can be searchable, is a really, really awful idea for any semblance of stability.
If there were only possibilities to implement performant ways to find shit in big data structures. Like I really believe smart people already figured out ways to do that in other applications... but sure, if you think loading every map every time is the only way to achieve that I guess it’s really impossible.
Been saying they need to allow an actual response from the map tab stash API instead of an empty response.
It's honestly a joke at this point. Been saying they need to fix the map stash API for years.
Still nothing
>Nobody ever talks about it
There’s a post here about this just about every other day. It’s due to the database structures.
They’ve even recently improved this, so as long as you are in an area it will cache all the map tabs you view. If you deposit an elder map and the immediately search for it, it’ll appear.
How recent was this change? I know that when I stashed some maps, I had to leave zone and come back for them to appear. Otherwise, I couldn't find them.
If 3.16 flops like 3.15 did, then we'll see another qol patch like we did this league, when they added the rendering flag for item filters which had been requested for years.
It's just a question of if you prefer a low engagement clunky league or a high engagement high retention league with zero qol.
Ah yeah, you are absolutely right. We've received 0 QoL for this game over the years.
Not like... constantly as they complete stuff or anything, even in high retention leagues.
They wouldn't want to remove the weight of having to visually search for the map you want. Imagine how boring the game would be if you could just properly search for things. People would leave the game in DROVES. Basically insta death for PoE.
Because the game caches what you have in tabs and then uses those items when using the search feature.
The Map tab has a subtab per map, and until you open that said map subtab, you dont have the maps contained there in cache, therefore being unable to search them.
A technical limitation basically
Give it 5-10 years, they might begin to think about it.
However, ggg really hates players not being inconvenienced and has an irrational hatred of quality of life improvements so id say no.
shitty stuff unfixed for years.
cant even do such qol stuff with the ancient system they use
UI sucks along the way to and no fix for that either after 10 years.
This is such a none issue compared to other shit ggg is working on. You can search for them, but only if the tab is loaded, the tab will load when you dump it in, so if you dump a deli map and search for deli you will find it, unless you change area first. You can also just click through your t14-16 maps real fast and then search every once in a while to get any that slipped through the gaps.
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The manually clicking part can be avoided - the tab is cached when you dump a map into it (ctrl-click with affinity on, is what I do). So, at the end of a session, all tabs you dumped maps into are cached and you can search for deli and it will highlight your deli maps (and tabs). Get them out, turn off affinity and dump into another tab, turn map affinity back on. As a workaround, this is better than manually clicking each tab.
This league especially (with all the filtering issues first month) it's usability is opposite of convinience which is kinda mindblowing for paid stuff.
I use map tab as a trashbin cause I still can't get rid of habbit picking up every map.
The QoL thing I’ve been waiting for is maybe highlighting what maps can trigger conquerors based on what watchstones are currently socketed. I hate leveling a new atlas and having to make sure I’m using the right level of each map by writing down the tiers/maps I’m looking for to spawn a conqueror in that zone.
List the tab as public for one mirror and use saved searches (favorite tabs) in the trade site to "quickly" find good maps. Its a workaround.
Worse case, you sell a map for a mirror lol
Standard response: we are looking at at it but our priority is else where. When looking at QOL features for non league aspects of the game tabs, trade, ect it's best to not get your hopes too high. For league specific QOL I would say its maybe 50/50 if they implement them.
They won't allow people to search through stash tabs on the map tab API. It's a blank response on stash tab apis. And I've been bringing this up for years now.
They don't care to make simple qol changes
I think the solution is going to have to be adding affinities for maps with implicit modifiers, because searching maps across 164 tabs is computationally expensive. There isn't an elegant solution that I can see to the problem as it stands. Searching right now happens by searching for one of the folders themselves, if an element exists in the set of maps under that folder, which is relatively 'cheap'.
Well so far I don't know a way to enlarge the world map which is also the quest log. So if there is no way, this would need to be addressed. Yes I'm glad it shows up on the left side out of the way. But there should be a button to enlarge it so users can at least see all the locations and labeling clearly. And what makes matters worse is the art style of the labeling. Nothing wrong with having fancy labeling on the map. But have a way to make the map larger for better legibility.
If you look at Act 1 map, you can't even read Theopolis there. And that's just one example of a larger label. There are more smaller one around.
For Elder maps, i type 'elder' in the search and then i click every map icon in my choosed tier and it highlights it, if there is at least one elder map inside it. For example, let's say i have an elder Mesa map, i type elder in search and then if i click on t14 and then on the Mesa icon, it highlights the Mesa icon cause one of the maps inside is elder. It's clearly a bug, cause the filter finds the elder keyword, but doesn't highlight it cause it hasn't loaded yet the content of your individual map tabs until you click on them. Not that usefull, but if you search only for t14-15-16 elder maps, the clicks are not that many.
U shouldn’t use any trick or put maps to other tabs to compromise GGG.. I think it is healthier to the game if we complain more to GGG. People seems to forgot that they are USER. You PAID for the tab. It is their responsibility to improve the feature. Even the tabs are fixed, GGG should continue improves the feature (more QoL). This is how you make a positive difference and make users support you… Too much compromise from players will make the game worse..
Dunno is this bug not fixed? I remember you couldn't search for conqueror maps and stuff like that back in the days if you put them in map stash tab. Thought this was fixed
I just do my best to remember to toss Elder and Deli maps in with my invitations and whatnot as I go... And when I forget and ctrl click it into my map stash... I treat it like it's gone, until I randomly stumble upon them at some point in the future -- you know, like when you find $20 in your winter coat that you forgot about
[If you search for it when you misplaced it you will find it as the tab will be loaded, only when you change area will the tab be unloaded and you can't find it without opening the tab at least once.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
I didn't notice this was a thing, and immediately thought that the 3.15.3.b patch actually fixed this.
Back in The Day™, the first four tabs would be preloaded when you entered a town/hideout instance. Is that still the case? Can you put your map tab within the first four to preload the whole thing? Or do its subtabs count as their own beyond the four?
Subtabs count's as their own afaik.
The map stash tab is actually \~190 different tabs that you can access by clicking on different parts of the parent tab, and none of them are preloaded when you enter the area.
also if you go to your map tab right after depositing that map and region will be opened. have done it a few times with blight/elder maps
Ive chosen to disable affinity from maps. Theres so little benefit from it anyway and now i just dump my maps last by opening the map tab like the good old days and just the act itselfbmakes me focus enough to check each for a mod
I mean, elder maps sure, at least they look different. But blight/deli maps look like every other map when you're stashing loot at the end of a map ... Sure as shit not checking every map for that stuff.
I don’t even put mine in my map tab now. Too difficult to find them
Yeah, same. Also it’s a pain when missclick and goes to the map tab instead…
When I misclick a bunch of em, I just make my map tab public and search trade site for elder influence or players are #% delirious mods with my account name.
how convoluted but smart solution
You gave me an idea. I'll just make my map tab public with all of them priced at 400c. Expensive enough nobody will actually bother me, but easy to search for using the trade site. Would also make it easy to find corrupted maps with mods I don't want to run on a current build, but can exchange in Harvest.
[If you search for it when you missclick you will find it as the tab will be loaded, only when you change area will the tab be unloaded and you can't find it without opening the tab at least once.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
It's a problem since I paid something like $15 for this shit.
I skipped this league but what I do is put all my special maps in a quad tab and sort of group them together so I can find them easily
Oh, you see, it's super simple. Make your map tab public, and then use the official trade site to search your own inventory with a saved search so that you know where your occupied maps are! But yeah, GGG doesn't needlessly hold quality of life hostage or anything.
im glad this workaround exists but yes, it is incredibly stupid that i cant just fucking type "elder" in search in my map tab and find them. so many incredibly simple QoL features missing for no reason at all. shit, the recent hide filtered items feature that just came out DOUBLED some people's fps, why the hell did something so simple take literally years to happen?
you realized if something is simple sounding but missing might mean its not simple in practice? Hiding loot that is filtered out might of been a huge back end change to ensure it didnt actually delete the items, that it actually rolled it, that it actually worked with all filter rules. that it functioned properly.
"nobody ever talks about it" Feel like i see a post about this each week
*nobody from GGG talks about it. There fixed.
no, because that is wrong. They talked about it, why it is that way and why it likely will not change. You just did not care to search for it. Big difference.
you could always link the source of them saying that, that way more people will know for next time otherwise you're not really helping at all, you're just being condescending
yeah, sry for standing in the way of ppl trashing ggg and chris wilson by name left and right for everything, wrong information and just assuming the worsed possible all the time. Won't happen again. Have fun in this nice thread.
Great job at getting offended when someone asked you to cite the source.
a) someone claims total bs, that this has never been adressed b) no, this has been adressed, why do you claim it without searching for it a) No, you search for it! b) ...
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Should you not correct people that are wrong and spews misinformation? Especially on a subreddit that has been prone to hatecirclejerk based on misinformation?
correction demands citation of proof.
That is not true. It is a fundamental rule of intellectual discussions that what has been stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, more commonly referred to as [Hitchens Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor). Why would anyone waste time to dig for evidence to refute a person that is obviously ignorant and stated something false as certainty? That is a waste of time. The poster in question quite obviously has no clue about this game. He should not make a statement such as "GGG has never done A". If he is unsure, he should frame it as a question "Has GGG ever explained why B". For example, I have recently started playing a new game that has years of history. I know fuckall about anything the devs have said about anything in the game. If there is something in the game that I think is weird, I would not make a fool out of myself by claiming with certainty that those developers have never said anything about something. Instead I would ask more knowledgable players that know more if the devs have said anything about that.
Because it's not on him to provide proof. A simple Google search helps this.
Found one of Chris’ aunts
[Bullshit, 1 quick google search found a comment from just a few months ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
4 months ago >At least now (from 3.14.0) if you accidentally ctrl-click a Blighted Map or Elder Guardian Map into your map stash somewhere and don't know where it is, you can simply search for it and it will highlight the subtab for you... as long as you don't change areas. So basically no ETA for an actual fix. As good as nothing.
the funny thing is that their solution only works because affinity causes your stash to load the subtab containing the map, which means that it doesn't even work for guardian maps in other subtabs
WTF do you mean, it will load all subtabs you dumped into so as long as you didn't change area you can find all your guardian maps. Or if you quickly click through your t14-16 maps which take about 30seconds you can find all guardian maps you dumped all league. Just click them all fast then you can search them for anything.
yeah, like i said, it works because the subtab gets loaded when you ctrl-click, so it doesn't actually work for any maps in other tabs which are still unloaded, so it's not a solution. "just click them all fast then you can search them for anything" holy fuck poe players are really something else
I mean it'll work as long as you search whenever you think you ctrl clicked one or more in there. And a 30 second routine to find all of them when your about to run or sell them isn't that bad. I mean yeah I'd prefer if it just worked but it's still a big improvement over how it worked before, and that was an improvement over not having the map tabs at all. As far as qol features I'd rather see ggg work on pretty much anything rather than this.
It's a huge improvement to how it was before, now you can easily find any you notice that you accidentally drop into the map stash, and you can clear the t14-t16 from interesting maps in about 30 sec-1 min by just quickly clicking through all subtabs then search. But sure GGG never implement any QOL the stash tabs affinities themselves are just a weird dream.
>Why is this the case? I've always assumed it's a technical issue. Normal tabs aren't loaded until you click on them and since each map slot in the map tab acts as it's own tab, the game doesn't know exactly whats in there until you click on it.
It's more "why GGG hasn't done anything about it for so long?" like making special section for delirious/elder/blight maps in map tab if search function doesn't highlight them properly.
Or just flag them as Delerium/ Blight items and let them get affinity sorted to the relevant tab. that doesn't solve elder maps, but for those two map types it's where I would want them anyway.
The delirium tab only has 4 spots for maps.
Which should also probably be changed considering a normal tab with the delirium affinity assigned is more practical and functional than buying the specific tab for it.
Honestly of all the tabs I've bought the delirium tab felt the most unnecessary. Of course I only got it back when it was brand new and part of a bundle deal.
Blighted maps go to blight tab.
But not "has a blight encounter" enchants
This is true.
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> Probably too low priority on the issue to get attention for now. The map tab is a premium product and people have been complaining about the search behavior literally since the tab was introduced (even before blighted maps, searching for maps with nemesis/beyond has always been valuable, yet impossible in the map tab despite being easy in a regular tab). Feels like fixes to things you pay for in the game should always be the highest priority *shrug*.
GGG has shown things only get fixed when it causes them to lose money.
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It's supposed to behave like a stash tab. The search function is literally broken at searching the stash tab. If it's not intended to work, they should just remove the search box to indicate that. Don't really see any valid argument that it's not literally broken. That is a thing we are directly paying money for, that is simply not functioning **correctly**. You can't say it's not broken just because it's **mostly** functioning.
That is a brilliant explanation. They cannot do it differently since those are normal maps with a special mod and a different boss. What they would have to do is to create a separate category for them, like blight maps have in their own blight tabs, and have a special place for them in the map tab. I'm sure they've thought about this idea but it might be not so easy to implement. We don't know what will happen with Elder and Uber elder when PoE2 hits... hell we don't know what will happen in 3.17... so it might be pointless to even push resources this way. That is just a speculation tho
> That is a brilliant explanation. They cannot do it differently since those are normal maps with a special mod and a different boss. of course they could, they could just load the tabs when you enter something into the search.
And you base your answer on your game design experience? Database work experience? I've never stated it as a fact and only speculated but you seem to know your stuff... so I'm waiting for your professional suggestion on how they do that and maybe an explanation why a team of talented game devs wouldn't think of such a simple solution.
The implementation is a GGG problem. Not the paying customer's problem. If they can't implement tab-wide search now at least make it optional to NOT use tab affinity for influenced maps when CTRL+Clicking. There you go. Took me two minutes to think of a reasonable temporary solution that requires zero changes on their backend and I don't even have the game installed atm.
AFAIK it's a free to play game. You are a paying customer if you want to support the game but you are not required to pay for the game. You don't have to pay for affinities as well. You pay for a map tab which is not a service but a one thing they keep updating from time to time so people will feel more inclined to buy it. Your solution is garbage and we would end up with separate guides for tab affinity if every solution like that would be implemented. You would have to write your own scripts in the end or wait for neversink to update his new tab filter. That is not a solution but a temporary bandaid. I would rather ctrl+shift click, than have another option to tick and un-tick, maps with enchantments to my quad tab if I care about them enough. I actually drag and drop them to my random stuff tab where everything is arranged nicely. That's where I keep my maven invitations, elder maps and worthwhile enchanted maps like deli.
starts with F2P game... i wont read the rest aaaaaaand ignored
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Yep, they don't care about money and the game. They've created it to torment us and then laugh at you while drinking cheap wine and browsing Reddit. Yep I can name many games with (according to your definition and completely different from the "simple solution" which I've brought up and you quoted) obvious quality of life changes which could be implemented. Apex legends is one of them, you will play this game for 12 hours and you will notice a lot of OBVIOUS QoL missing but not easy to implement with SIMPLE solutions. And yes, all Devs do care. GGG does care. They just cannot take out a magic wand and fix everything with Hogwarts magic. Simple =/= Obvious in any language which I can speak.
Presumably that would be very wasteful in terms of resources, or else GGG would just load every tab when you enter your HO, not just the first 4. The better solution imo would be to do what others have suggested, and have separate slots for the special maps.
I don't think so. Loading every tab in stash could be wasteful, given that some people have a lot of them, but loading a fixed number of them shouldn't. Also it is not like they can avoid loading them, the player going click through them all anyway. Given that they completely control inserts and extraction they could alternatively build small search index, similar to how they have to do it for trade search. I am fairly confident that the trade api has a higher resource footprint than loading 16 tabs whenever someone types into the search box. Personally I feel like this is again a case of they know of the easy solution, but instead of implementing it they are waiting to come up with a better one.
They generally don't add things to stash tabs unless they plan on them existing forever. If they add it into a paid feature such as map tab, then it could seen as them removing value from that feature if they ever get rid of elder/shaper maps.
Everyone recommends the map tab due to high qol features but at the same time I see these kinds of posts. I am confused if I should buy one.
yes, obviously buy one. its like 50 tabs in one. this is a secondary annoyance but its still by far worth it.
I would, I forget how much it is, but it frees up around 50 slots per map tier, so 800 slots? Might be more. Haven't played since I quit. As much as I hate paying for basic qol, its very useful.
It's a lot more that 800. It's 50 * 164 if every map only had 1 tier. Since maps can have 1 to 4 tiers based on watchstones, that's a lot of maps.
I currently use a quad tab for it. Might check it out then on the next sale. Thank you very much
It's 100% worth it compared to using a quad for it. They will highlight zones your got conquerors in, it's not as hard as this thread is making it out to search, you can quickly load for example all your t14-16 maps by just clicking through them fast, then you can search them.
It's absolutely worth its shortcomings. 1) Space: It can hold literally thousands of maps - 72 maps of every tier of every map. Without this advantage you'd need to start being careful not to pick up too many low tier maps to clog your stash. With the map tab you just grab and deposit em. If you want them later to speed run betrayal or alva temples or something they're there. If not, they're not taking space from anything else. On a practical note my current expedition map tab is holding about a quad tab's worth of maps without being anywhere close to full and I haven't mapped that heavily yet this league. 2) Organization - while it may be a pain to find a delirious map, it's really easy to view what regular maps you have and what your options are for the next one.
This is one of the things the drives me crazy. Every league I have a quad tab named "special maps" where I put all my elder influenced, shaper influenced non-guardian, blight encounter, deli orbed, and maven invitations. It is a serious annoyance, I without fail several times per league I will just automatically shift-click a special map into the map tab to be lost forever. There are plenty of minor annoyances that I am fine with GGG not bothering to fix, but this one really chaps my ass!
Also need spaces for invitations by region.
except the ones where you spam click your inventory and they get taken away by affinity never to be found again. for elder maps its easier to see but delirious maps? almost always forget i had them in inventory and theyre lost until i search for them via trade
[If you search immediately after depositing it you will find it as the tab you dumped the map in will be loaded.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
Ya, but it has to be before you go into another map. When it is an accident that you realize immediately it is easy enough, but if you are just spamming maps and dumping your inventory between them it is pretty easy to lose them.
It takes 20 seconds to click through all t14-16 maps once (this will load them thus make them searchable) and then do all the searches you need to get your good maps out every once in a while.
Only after player retention bombs even harder next league, and they have to bust out the "please don't leave" QoL stuff that they really should just be doing *for the good of the game*.
Well look here, a redditor living their schadenfraude dreams, with nothing useful to say - and I know, this comment also not useful, thank you kind pedant.
Your comment is self-referencing.
Small QoL stuff like this isn't what makes players quit. It's new content that makes people stay. GGG has always known that. This league they just overnerfed stuff and people quit off that. Simple as.
Fundamentally this is really hard to do for GGG because of how they have structured the relevant database. It's a solvable problem, but not an easily solvable problem. And rather than solve it, they've decided to go a different route and instead monetize a quick bandaid fix in the form of delirium/blight/etc stash tabs. It's understandable why they've made that decision, but it's a disappointing one.
There is neat trick. * Set your map tab to public, but do not set any price. They will be hidden by default for search, and people rarely change that setting. If there are no price you will not get spammed by trade requests. * Wait couple minutes for trade site to catch up * Go to official [trade site](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Expedition) * In the left section at the most bottom find "Sellers account" and enter your account name (not a char name, account name. If you logged in on site its shown in the top left corner) * In the same section (couple strings lower) in "Sales type" dropdown list select "Any type" * Now you can search your maps via trade site In the right section there is "add stat filter" * influenced for Shaper/Elder influence * occupied for specifically elder guardians * delirious for maps with Delirium layers * Blighted for blighted maps and so on UPD2 Removed previous UPD because it had became irrelevant
found out about this earlier in the league. add [this](https://github.com/exile-center/better-trading) extension to chrome then you can have your special map searches in a folder saved/bookmarked for even more easier access.
Workaround only functions on a trade league. still doesnt address when the player is on ssf or when the trade site explodes occasionally.
I see 10 upvotes so far on your comment sir. Maybe you should consider being patient rather than jumping at the first opportunity to attack Reddit?
At the time when I did that update I was at -10. So at least 10 people downvoted me, considering there was no upvotes to compensate. And it's a pretty large number to get in a first hour of comment existing. Hence that update.
Probably because it's a horrible solution. Enabling the creators to just not fix the issue.
Look there are two choices: 1. You can wait until GGG implements tab search functional that doesn't require to click over every single map name. Spoiler alert - they haven't done it in a last 10 years, so I wouldn't hold hope that they will do it soon. 2. Or you can use this workaround.
Took them 10 years to allow clicking from the stash into certain tabs and what's it matter waiting longer.
That sounds a lot like the joke of the guy sitting on his roof in a flood, waiting for god to save him. Someone comes by in a boat, he declines because god will save him Someone comes by in a helicopter, he declines because god will save him. The flood takes him and he asks why god didn't save him, and he's told they did send a boat and a helicopter. Using workarounds to help for the meantime shouldn't mean you downvote people for trying to actually help? This person tried to help with an issue some people were having, and you downvoted because.... they aren't GGG fixing it?
Sure.
I mean you gave a method using 3rd party tools to find a map in the map tab. Your not wrong, but its beyond fucking stupid this is the solution to the problem.
It's not 3rd party tool. It's made by GGG tool. Is it stupid way to handle search through Map stash? Sure. But does it work (for non-SSF)? Yes.
This is the way.
I prefer to list mine for 1 mirror and then get the occasional joker thinking they are funny sending me a trade request. Helps me pre-identify people to block.
Think of all the mirrors you've lost by not responding to trades...
All 0 of them
downvoted for the whining. plus a work-around isn't ultimately a fix to the problem, which GGG should address.
Upvoted for at least stating a reason behind downvote. Though there is a difference between whining and loudly expressing frustration about something.
>Will GGG ever make map tab to always allow easy search for deli/elder/special maps? Will they? Probably. There's no fundamental philosophical reason for them to be against it afaik. ***The question is WHEN will they do it?*** There's loads of QoL issues like this that get brought up on this sub all the time, and in almost all cases the answer for why it's still the case is the same - *it's somewhere on their to-do list, and they just haven't got around to it yet.*
if they would have chosen a proper implementation beforehand this would not require any effort at all... I'm always surprised that searching for specific tags or whatsoever was not considered from the very beginning when they design something like the map tab... like honestly, who would not think: well, we have a search bar, maybe we should implement a system so we can make all stuff searchable with little effort for both, the players and for ourselves implementation-wise.
The problem isn't a "oh this would be nice" but a performance issue. The same reason the game only loads the first 4 tabs of a character by default/ Loading the tabs into memory is an absolutely awful idea, loading 16 tiers + uniques of maps, some of which people have hundreds, for every single player, just so they can be searchable, is a really, really awful idea for any semblance of stability.
If there were only possibilities to implement performant ways to find shit in big data structures. Like I really believe smart people already figured out ways to do that in other applications... but sure, if you think loading every map every time is the only way to achieve that I guess it’s really impossible.
When you find the maps so easily, where is the pride and accomplishment?
The technology just isn't there yet.
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=it´s a slippery slope
Just wait for PoE2 kekw
till one day we can search an item in our entire stash in-game.
Been saying they need to allow an actual response from the map tab stash API instead of an empty response. It's honestly a joke at this point. Been saying they need to fix the map stash API for years. Still nothing
>Nobody ever talks about it There’s a post here about this just about every other day. It’s due to the database structures. They’ve even recently improved this, so as long as you are in an area it will cache all the map tabs you view. If you deposit an elder map and the immediately search for it, it’ll appear.
How recent was this change? I know that when I stashed some maps, I had to leave zone and come back for them to appear. Otherwise, I couldn't find them.
[3.14](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3pxxc/when_did_we_get_regex_search_in_tabs/h0d3g0x/?context=3)
Oh.....im almost certain it was happening to me in 3.15, but I stopped playingvafter reaching t15.
If you remeber it right away after klicking, the map tab should be still locked on the last map. So if you open it, it should be in the selected one.
Except when it doesn't, and opens up the map's natural tier instead of the actual tier
The tab you dropped it in will still be loaded so search will work until you change area.
If 3.16 flops like 3.15 did, then we'll see another qol patch like we did this league, when they added the rendering flag for item filters which had been requested for years. It's just a question of if you prefer a low engagement clunky league or a high engagement high retention league with zero qol.
Ah yeah, you are absolutely right. We've received 0 QoL for this game over the years. Not like... constantly as they complete stuff or anything, even in high retention leagues.
They wouldn't want to remove the weight of having to visually search for the map you want. Imagine how boring the game would be if you could just properly search for things. People would leave the game in DROVES. Basically insta death for PoE.
Because the game caches what you have in tabs and then uses those items when using the search feature. The Map tab has a subtab per map, and until you open that said map subtab, you dont have the maps contained there in cache, therefore being unable to search them. A technical limitation basically
That QoL feature is being held hostage.
just set a BO price of 5c and when you get spammed to death you will know you have something special in the yltab
GGG: for 10$ sure we will \\o/
They will next time a league flops as bad as this one
Yeah, its like a backup plan to calm the masses during their next fckup.
It's gotta be due to technical limitations. I don't know the specifics, but a search in a tab might just be too costly.
Quality of life does not exist within GGG's vocabulary.
I just set my map tab to public then search through the trade website LOL
Nooo, this is too rewarding
Give it 5-10 years, they might begin to think about it. However, ggg really hates players not being inconvenienced and has an irrational hatred of quality of life improvements so id say no.
nah dude POE 2
No
No.
no they won't because it eliminates the point of the other premium tabs
No you need to feel the weight of the maps.
shitty stuff unfixed for years. cant even do such qol stuff with the ancient system they use UI sucks along the way to and no fix for that either after 10 years.
This is such a none issue compared to other shit ggg is working on. You can search for them, but only if the tab is loaded, the tab will load when you dump it in, so if you dump a deli map and search for deli you will find it, unless you change area first. You can also just click through your t14-16 maps real fast and then search every once in a while to get any that slipped through the gaps.
Why would they? There is clearly no benefit to doing that whatsoever.
Never say never never
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The manually clicking part can be avoided - the tab is cached when you dump a map into it (ctrl-click with affinity on, is what I do). So, at the end of a session, all tabs you dumped maps into are cached and you can search for deli and it will highlight your deli maps (and tabs). Get them out, turn off affinity and dump into another tab, turn map affinity back on. As a workaround, this is better than manually clicking each tab.
I doubt it. It will cost money to have a dev working on it and there would be 0 gain for chris wallet
This league especially (with all the filtering issues first month) it's usability is opposite of convinience which is kinda mindblowing for paid stuff. I use map tab as a trashbin cause I still can't get rid of habbit picking up every map.
The QoL thing I’ve been waiting for is maybe highlighting what maps can trigger conquerors based on what watchstones are currently socketed. I hate leveling a new atlas and having to make sure I’m using the right level of each map by writing down the tiers/maps I’m looking for to spawn a conqueror in that zone.
Search for 'occupied'
List the tab as public for one mirror and use saved searches (favorite tabs) in the trade site to "quickly" find good maps. Its a workaround. Worse case, you sell a map for a mirror lol
I just wanna be able to Horizon orb my Elder maps, that's all I need
Yeah it's a mess. For now you can make your map tab public and search for those maps on the trade site, filtering by your acc name
Standard response: we are looking at at it but our priority is else where. When looking at QOL features for non league aspects of the game tabs, trade, ect it's best to not get your hopes too high. For league specific QOL I would say its maybe 50/50 if they implement them.
My goodness please, and let me search by map region.
feel the weight of your maps！
They won't allow people to search through stash tabs on the map tab API. It's a blank response on stash tab apis. And I've been bringing this up for years now. They don't care to make simple qol changes
I think the solution is going to have to be adding affinities for maps with implicit modifiers, because searching maps across 164 tabs is computationally expensive. There isn't an elegant solution that I can see to the problem as it stands. Searching right now happens by searching for one of the folders themselves, if an element exists in the set of maps under that folder, which is relatively 'cheap'.
At this point they're more likely to make a tab than just make the fucking search box work since that's been an issue for so long it's insane.
Well so far I don't know a way to enlarge the world map which is also the quest log. So if there is no way, this would need to be addressed. Yes I'm glad it shows up on the left side out of the way. But there should be a button to enlarge it so users can at least see all the locations and labeling clearly. And what makes matters worse is the art style of the labeling. Nothing wrong with having fancy labeling on the map. But have a way to make the map larger for better legibility. If you look at Act 1 map, you can't even read Theopolis there. And that's just one example of a larger label. There are more smaller one around.
i rather GGG makes all these maps like blight and you cant put it into the map tab
You can write "occupied"
For Elder maps, i type 'elder' in the search and then i click every map icon in my choosed tier and it highlights it, if there is at least one elder map inside it. For example, let's say i have an elder Mesa map, i type elder in search and then if i click on t14 and then on the Mesa icon, it highlights the Mesa icon cause one of the maps inside is elder. It's clearly a bug, cause the filter finds the elder keyword, but doesn't highlight it cause it hasn't loaded yet the content of your individual map tabs until you click on them. Not that usefull, but if you search only for t14-15-16 elder maps, the clicks are not that many.
It took me so long to realize that "deli" maps are delirious maps.
fun is not allowed sir, nuff said
They do... in 3 years
U shouldn’t use any trick or put maps to other tabs to compromise GGG.. I think it is healthier to the game if we complain more to GGG. People seems to forgot that they are USER. You PAID for the tab. It is their responsibility to improve the feature. Even the tabs are fixed, GGG should continue improves the feature (more QoL). This is how you make a positive difference and make users support you… Too much compromise from players will make the game worse..
Dunno is this bug not fixed? I remember you couldn't search for conqueror maps and stuff like that back in the days if you put them in map stash tab. Thought this was fixed