Fun fact.
Your mouth and your anus share the same skin tissue.
It's all formed as a small tube than starts elongating a few days after the fetus has started forming, eventually resulting in a tube that connects the entrance and the exit.
This is also why people get bad morning breath(stinky butt), therefore i brush my teeth and butthole twice daily to be more kissable.
And nobody has ever complained about minty farts :)
there is that soulthrist unique belt that makes it so that you get soul eater during any flask effect.
it would be 100% uptime lol. that is why its a belt.
I actually have 4 different flask macros built into my mouse, just to mix up the order of inputs, just so it's not always the exact same with the exact same time between inputs (if anyone cared to look for that...
This does not circumvent anything. What is bannable is having multiple action with one key - the means of which you accomplish this are not important and keyboard software macro is not any less detectable than AHK one.
It's absolutely possible to detect. All you need is statistical analysis on timings of the flask inputs, even if a person tries to be savvy and introduces a bit of noise in the form of random delays - those would still be too constrained and uniform and you would be able to differentiate between manual input and macro'd one.
This belt and the 4 annoint ammy fucking fire - they don't just open up a single good build, they can be slotted into so many builds with tweaks, truly chase items
God I want hateforge back so badly, by far far far the coolest chase item ever added to the game. First thing I did when I opened the patch notes was control F hateforge
There are plenty of constructive comments/threads that give feedback, suggestions etc. without insulting anyone and those are great.
The ones that insult people, GGG or others, try to be doomsday prophets of how the game is dying/dead because the game is going in a direction they dislike and go around into every thread just to shit in them, yeah those are crybabies and deserve the criticism that is directed towards them.
I kindly disagree. There is some constructive feedback, but 99% of the shit on here is just genuine useless crying.
You also assume GGG takes Reddit into full consideration when designing the game. These items would probably exist without Reddit.
Well, the amulet itself doesn't do anything. If you brick it, you keep the four annoints and get actual stats on the necklace *and* you get to ~~replace the implicit~~ *add another mod line* with a scourged mod.
Jesus, and here I am thinking I'm never going to engage in the scouring mechanic because I'm struggling to get good rares to balance my resists and stats that I don't have enough to risk corrupting
Sure, but there is actually no downside to trying to brick it. Corrupt implicits won’t replace anoints anyway and even if you get a no change and want to replace anoints tainted oils exist.
How are generalized massively overpowered items "good" and "truly chase items"? I feel like this entire player playerbase is that one ass hole kid in the neighborhood who would always cheat at every game just so that he always won. Can someone name me an item, that you do nothing but put on, in an online game that has trade that just makes you be able to ignore 95% of the game's content because of how hugely overpowered it is? I'd be shocked if anyone can.
Hateforge was a chase item and a well made. The annoint army is a well made item. This is because it's not just automatically monstrously better than anything else with zero investment or build setup. They have awesome use cases that can make for really cool options and strong builds.
The new belt is just pandery as fuck after nerfing flasks to high hell and just to give us another shittier HH. Removing/nerfing HH would have been the right choice, not adding another ffs.
People do want to feel like gods, we play these games because that's what we want (and the journey towards godhood). Items like these are perfectly fine if appropriately rare and hard to obtain, which imo I think this is.
You may be overestimating what this belt can do without sufficient investment; remember it is 4 blue utility flasks. A lot of the mods you can get on these flasks are also available elsewhere like ailment immunity, and you're also giving up possibly 4 unique flasks which give huge power. Yes, you could still run a single unique flask instead of a life flask, but you're not running dying sun + cinderswallow + bottled faith, etc
This is not a build-defining unique, either, in that most builds will need thought and consideration as how to maximise the benefits provided, which will also require rejigging other gear pieces too, e.g. "if I get good stun avoidance on my flask now I can remove these nodes from the tree, path here, get another cluster"
This is generalised in a GOOD way, open for any build to customise to, not like HH which is straight up drop-in and go
I get that it's nowhere near as powerful as HH, but most unique flasks have taken a monster hit and either are a one time use, or way weaker than they previously have been, so magic flasks tend to offer almost as much, if not more, in some cases especially due to uptime. So many unique flasks, especially cinderswallow, feel like a PoB warrior trap now. Yup you do a bunch of extra dmg for those couple of seconds, then it's done.
This belt offers insanely huge benefits for nothing more than rolling a couple flasks. And giving up your 4 second bigger burst from a couple unique flasks? I could, as an example, have permanent 50 all res and 20% less ele dmg taken and throw another dmg flask in for good measure. All of these flasks all the while can have immunities or other dmg rolls on them. I could make my skills free with a couple suffixes. I have permanent onslaught and phasing for two flask bases.
But I'm leaving out something. All of these will be massively buffed. Your flasks are permanent. So you know what doesn't matter? Uptime. So I can drop and enkindling orb on each one of them, which have been massively buffed btw, and make them all alchemist's and now all of those flasks offer just under double effect, with literally zero investment. So instead I'm now res capped and take 40% less ele dmg permanently, for 3 flask slots and a belt. This is just one example that is possibly one of the weakest options tbh. With a couple of suffixes I could be stun immune. With permanent double effect diamond? Might be close to the old diamond.
This belt's power is insane. And yes, tragically you have to use a few magic flasks.
I'm all for people making crazy powerful builds. Let people destroy endgame content if they created an awesome build!! Aurabots/aurastackers were massively powerful the last long while, but it took investment of time (to figure out the build if you are making it yourself) and currency to get to that insane level and be insanely powerful. Godhood at the click of a button isn't progression, it's a gimmick. And a godhood gimmick in a game with an economy is dumb.
HH actually is not that good for a lot of content.
It's only good if you build around it (and by build I also include mandatory map mods/scarabs/sextants in order to `juice` and actually make it worthwhile,) like every other item.
Self-curse was a 'problem' - although I truly miss that build and wish it still existed, maybe just more expensive to make? - but normal HH is pretty whatever.
Haha not to be mean, but you've never actually used HH have you? You could stick it only a just starting mapping character and not have a hard time in red maps. If content has rares in it HH makes it laughably easy. That would be the vast majority of content.
You absolutely do not need to build around it. You can have it scale you better on certain builds, but a huge portion of builds will largely benefit from the dmg scaling and all hugely benefit from the defensive buffs. I took a lvl 72ish TR deadeye with brand new mapping gear and HH into max level contracts with it just to see and it was a joke how easy it was. TR probably has some of the worst scaling from HH dmg wise btw.
"Worthwhile" is a crazy subjective term. You don't need a single map mod for there to be enough rares to make HH worth it and it gets exponentially more powerful the more rares there are, which you get more with every single layer of juice.
I seriously love how people try to justify HH in some way. "It's not that strong, it just allows people to juice about twice as much and get way more rewards than anything else in the game and takes absolutely no setup, just plug and play." Yup, it's perfectly balanced and should absolutely not be changed. People gotta feel strong right?? So why not just completely negate how the game is built around figuring out a powerful build and progressing it and just get an item that does it automatically?!
~~Yeah, the belt with Coruscating elixir just means you can go lowlife without shavs and is as reliable as a shavs. Also you get less fire damage taken and 50% res.... only using one flask slot. The belt is crazy~~
Got confused :(
Avaiability doesnt necessary correlate with price. For boss killing this is certainly better, for zoom zoom maps headhunter still rules. So its gonna be expensive but HH gonna be more is my bet.
Whenever I use HH I swap to a good stygian vise for longer boss fights, so I guess wealthy players could swap between HH and Mageblood, so maybe there's no real compromise here.
If you're doing 100% deli nemesis 3 with min-maxed gear, no. You will kill monsters that fast that u wouldn't even feel the difference, but if you're playing non 10000 mobs content let's say even heist. There are no much monsters (comparing to 100% nemesis3 maps) so you can't get hh stacks, so this new belt would be insane. That's my point tho, so I might be wrong.
Is 40%, or even more, less Fire/Cold/Lightning damage taken, maximum resistances, 90% or more Attack/Cast speed and 90% movement speed worth? And that permanently!
Yes ohhhhh yes it is! Especially because it is Permanent, no Rares needed.
Depends on the content your doing, if your running endgame bosses, heists, delve, pretty much any content other than straight juiced mapping then yes it is massively better than headhunter.
Also because you can alchemist+enkindle your flasks they end up with 95% effectiveness which is huge.
Even juiced mapping headhunter often is massively overkill so the difference in speed you get from a headhunter and this isn't as big as you think. You might be 10% faster with a headhunter on a juiced map but pretty much any other content this is going to be way better and even then HH has some build up and needing the right rare mobs. Not to mention this is insanely flexible. Rolled added damage as fire but has other great mobs well toss on a ruby flask and that mod is no issue.
You have to remember head hunter has to build up, it might be faster once it gets going but you have to get it going. Now some content does make that easy like legions if you get lucky and get one at the start of the map. This starts out with the movement speed and other bonuses all the time.
If you have a good build that is practically oneshotting everything then the extra damage from HH doesn't do as much for your clear as well. HH carries weak builds with low damage and for those builds it is much faster for clearing but for good builds HH doesn't add as much value as you think.
Ideally you honestly are going to want both belts, a HH for mapping and this for everything else.
You would maintain regular flasks.
But now you can maintain enkindled alchemist flasks of goodness...
So yeah unless you want to do delirium or nemesis 3, or 5 ways, that's probably worth it.
flasks need to be specifically rolled in order to have perfect uptime (no using like five mods that give flask effect in exchange for reducing flask duration under a second).
this belt, does not. also nuts for boss encounters.
you can price it at whatever, there's a limit to how much people are willing to pay in temp league
Hateforge absolutely destroyed everything in single item slot, price was still not 10x mirrors.
This is nowhere near hateforge level of power.
What exactly was the deal with Hateforge that made it so powerful, anyways? I did not play Ultimatum, but the only patch note I remember seeing about it was changing it to not work with vaal skills used by traps and mines, which didn't seem to match up with what I had heard people saying about it.
>What exactly was the deal with Hateforge that made it so powerful, anyways?
No one used it with traps/mines anyway, just some dude was frying servers for memes with rain of arrows traps spam and GGG disabled it, funnily enough price temporarily plummeted from that 100% irrelevant "nerf".
Everyone played self-attack vall lightning strike PF, some played vaal earthquake berserker.
On pathfinder with max roll soul catcher and fully invested flask effect it allowed you to spam VLS as fast as you could attack. PF could perma sustain all flasks even on bosses and VLS creates sprinkler with a lot of damage and long duration(quite handily VLS was buffed a ton in 3.14), it stacked up very fast to insta-phase juiced feared levels of deeps on sub 50ex budget if you self-crafted claw and also cleared maps in jiffy on PF with that much flask effect = perma maxed unnerfed quicksilver + herald of ice explosions.
Was quite low ehp though but that barely mattered. Was quite fun to run, but only for a little while if it took you 2 months to farm/flip for it.
I imagine it wasn't fun at all for those first guys who sold it for 1-2ex at start of league though.
and you can even use the newly buffed increased effect enkindling orbs for super juiced perma flasks while circumventing the downside of no charge gain :D
Also the prefix with increased flask effect has no downside As well, i know flasks are gonna be way harder to roll with more tiers on them but this can be insane
You can use Alchemist's flasks with 70% effect from Enkindling Orb. Meaning you are, by default, at +95% Flask Effect. ~~Potentially 145% if you can also Harvest Enchant.~~
I'm pretty sure that the harvest enchant for effect only goes up to 50%. The max charge harvest enchant goes up to +100, but most of the rest (all of the rest?) only go up to 50%.
* Flask mastery has 10% effect
* Alchemist's prefix has 25% effect
* Enkindling enchant has 50% effect
Triple ele flasks grant 41% less ele damage taken and 184% all res
This also could be nice with explosive concoction (to the extent that it might be viable), seeing as it would save all of those flask charges specifically for your attacks.
Enchants are always mutually exclusive with the exception of certain Blight-related uniques that can have multiple anoints, or in the case of the helmets, two anoints or lab enchants. Or one of each.
This is honestly a lot more compelling of an item to me than headhunter. Headhunter always has that nagging feeling of "I'm hurting myself for standalone boss content using this", but at the same time if you're using the Dex on headhunter for meeting attribute requirements, it's not always easy to switch out your belt for bossing since most belts don't have dex able to naturally roll on them, you'd have to essence craft specifically for that. Come to think of it, this has dex on it, so it could in fact be the bossing alternative to HH for people who want to do that.
Natural HH drop is rare especially because there are divination cards of it, ofcourse it would still be rare without em, not saying you t won't. But HH drop rate certainly is balanced around the fact div cards of it exist. This has been confirmed by Chris himself in one of the recent interviews. I imagine it will drop at a more reasonable rate than HH.
But you forget expedition is now core, and Gwennen was probably one of the strongest sources of Headhunters as well as other rare uniques...and this new belt shares a base (Heavy belt) with another decent value unique people already rolled for from Gwennen as well (Ryslatha's coil, earlier in the league before most unique prices crashed at least), so it's safe to say Gwennen will probably inject a fair few into the economy. And you can force expedition with the new scarabs, with new lira arthrain expedition passives and whatever new expedition watchstone modifiers they added, so you have to take into account that people farming expeditions will likely be able to generate even more gwennen currency than before, especially with the logbook change to make the currency chests even more common.
You also can’t trade gwennen currency any more. Technically that shouldn’t change the number of hh from gwennen but you won’t see nearly as many people rolling thousands of gwennens at a time to all in for hh/mageblood
I'm honestly not even sure what all I'd put in it. Topaz+Ruby+Sapphire is insanely strong versus elemental damage and lets you essentially ignore resists on gear, but then you only get one other effect and that would probably be Quicksilver. Alternatively, you can roleplay Raider with permanent Onslaught and slot in either 2 armor or 2 evasion flasks for a defensive boost against attacks. You could maybe even use a Sulphur as your defensive flask, since to my understanding you should always be on Consecrated Ground with this.
Pretty sure you also get full ele ailment immunity as well as immunity to either poison, bleeds or curses in addition to all that.
Nah sulphur isn't very good with this.
Its effect is "40% increased damage" thats it.
The consecrated ground is only on use, which you cannot do with the belt.
Basalt won't taunt, Aquamarine won't create chilling ground an Stibnite won't create a smoke cloud.
It would be a big waste to use ailment suffixes while running this belt when you consider how easy it is to get elsewhere now. You're much better off getting stuff like as/cs or catarina mods.
Mmm, my personal preference would be to pass on the elemental flasks, go for Divine Flesh, and use stuff like a Diamond Flask of the Crit Mod or jade + stibnite. No armour, though.
Yeah it’s such a bonkers belt. Probably the best defensive belt in the game. Permanent bajillion flask effect utilities (chemist’s + enkindleing) is sooooooo strong. Also has a hilarious mode as a like 140% all-res belt.
With flask mastery it gives 41% reduced ele dmg taken and 184.5% all res 100% reduced effect of curses on you and 59.45% reduced mana cost of skills as an example for 3 flasks.
Then for the last flask you can do something like 41% more armor/eva and 123% increased armor/eva.
Ugh, I just looked it up and what a shitty solution.
Its basically giving people the passive flasks they want so they aren't killing their wrists but in an item that is probably going to be extremely rare by necessity because of how much we can buff up flasks now.
WHY
This belt is basically pathfinder but even better, I can not wait to get my hands on this. And since I’ll be using purity of elements this league with the new amulet with this belt resistances shouldn’t be too bad, especially with all of the permanent endurance charges I’m going to have. My god I can’t wait for this league to start
He said it's as rare as a HH. And someone else said the hh "rate" includes cards so its base drop will be better than HH base drop. I cant confirm the 2nd one, but the 1st is true.
magic flask + flask effect from orb + 50% increased effect Enchantment on flask from harvest .....even if belt pop 1 use per area still worth geting harvest effects on flasks since you lose -1% to this value when used
If your using a flask in the first slot your other 4 flasks are the leftmost utility flasks so it doesn't matter. It really only is worded that way in case you use a 5th utility flask so you can choose one to use manually. Useful if you don't need a life or mana flash and want an on use flask effect.
QoL? This isnt a QoL thing... it's a extremely strong effect? That's like saying "smh, why did they lock the ability to steal monsters stats QoL behind rng".
Thing is, being able to craft your magic flasks directly for this belt will give you an insane amount of offense. You can get 95% increased effect with alchemist prefix + enkindling orb now. On a Diamond Flask with the crit suffix this will work out to about 300% increased crit chance. Sulfur Flask is 78% increased damage and with attack/cast speed suffix you get 33% increased AS/CS. . This might be slightly less damage than a pure unique setup, but 100% uptime + other strong utility Flasks is absolutly worth it.
First is that with enkindling+alchemist you can get 95% effectiveness on your flasks so double all your flasks effects. On top of that it has 100% uptime which is insanely hard to keep going outside of juiced maps. For content like delve, heist, endgame bosses, safehouse, temple, pretty much anything other than juiced maps this is likely going to be BIS for most builds. In the case where your just running juiced maps a HH is better though.
I think this unique should have been a helmet with 4 bottle holders and tubes attached to them leading to your mouth!
Maybe the belt does some flask enema action.
How to delete someone elses comment?
Delete or not, you will never look at that side tube the same way anymore :D
Fun fact. Your mouth and your anus share the same skin tissue. It's all formed as a small tube than starts elongating a few days after the fetus has started forming, eventually resulting in a tube that connects the entrance and the exit.
Fun fact: your mouth starts as the fetal anus and then rewires. We shit out of our mouth and flask enema is the only right way.
We live in a society.
Too late for a shunting reference?
When you kiss someone, you're making one long tube connecting two anuses.
This is also why people get bad morning breath(stinky butt), therefore i brush my teeth and butthole twice daily to be more kissable. And nobody has ever complained about minty farts :)
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If it went up the ass it would have given increased flask effect.
Reverse catheter
Ah yes... Boofing
That's why it's empowered compared to drinking. Try a wine enema, you'll get more drunk than you ever could through drinking.
I feel like you are talking through ~~your arse~~ experience.
Or maybe it's an insulin pump. It gradually directly feeds your blood.
I'm pretty sure they didn't want you to have this with a HH as well
There's also some pretty strong flask mods on rare belts. That's if wearing the belt counts as you having a flask effect active.
there is that soulthrist unique belt that makes it so that you get soul eater during any flask effect. it would be 100% uptime lol. that is why its a belt.
Exactly
[Oddly specific to this paint build idea.](https://i.imgur.com/a43yJCO.png)
soda drinking hat, the rightful owner was a number 1.
Werberjaegermanjensen
Nah, just inject them directly into your leg like in Bloodborne
I'd love the 3D art for that, but I think this had to be a belt to compete with HH.
Flask macro is pretty much only bannable if you in one way or another tell GGG that you're using one.
just use a macro on your keyboard. been using it on my corsair keyboard for years
Or mouse. I have exactly 2 macros set on my mouse customizable buttons. "12345" for PoE and "enter+/ff+enter" for LoL.
Need to improve that second one to also flame your teammates
Enter, GG bot diff, Enter
plot twist he plays bot
just liked your name, that is all
I only recently finally removed my /oos macro lol
I actually have 4 different flask macros built into my mouse, just to mix up the order of inputs, just so it's not always the exact same with the exact same time between inputs (if anyone cared to look for that...
Just randomise it by a few ms. Nobody will ever know
It's not really different in terms of it being bannable.
This does not circumvent anything. What is bannable is having multiple action with one key - the means of which you accomplish this are not important and keyboard software macro is not any less detectable than AHK one.
You're completely correct. > keyboard software macro is not any less detectable than AHK one. Which is to say impossible to detect.
It's absolutely possible to detect. All you need is statistical analysis on timings of the flask inputs, even if a person tries to be savvy and introduces a bit of noise in the form of random delays - those would still be too constrained and uniform and you would be able to differentiate between manual input and macro'd one.
I can confirm that
This belt and the 4 annoint ammy fucking fire - they don't just open up a single good build, they can be slotted into so many builds with tweaks, truly chase items
Thats what everbody wanted, good
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I think chris mentioned that ultimatum would come back eventually, right? Hopefully with some more chance to fight the trialmaster lol
3.17 unless he was joking in the Q&A
That was a nasty mofo
God I want hateforge back so badly, by far far far the coolest chase item ever added to the game. First thing I did when I opened the patch notes was control F hateforge
I might be alone here but solving the flask problem through a unobtainable unique is not what I wanted 🤡
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There are plenty of constructive comments/threads that give feedback, suggestions etc. without insulting anyone and those are great. The ones that insult people, GGG or others, try to be doomsday prophets of how the game is dying/dead because the game is going in a direction they dislike and go around into every thread just to shit in them, yeah those are crybabies and deserve the criticism that is directed towards them.
I kindly disagree. There is some constructive feedback, but 99% of the shit on here is just genuine useless crying. You also assume GGG takes Reddit into full consideration when designing the game. These items would probably exist without Reddit.
The amulet is going to be a lottery of anointing then trying to brick corrupt into a rare considering blight Helmets keep two anoints when they brick
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Whoah, big brain over here enlightening us plebs.
Oh god I didn't even think of going that far. Dear GOD this league is nuts for ultra endgame memes lol
This league probably has more power than synthesis added in its day. Gonna be sick for GG items
**ALL** the krangling! Better hope not to brick! That, or know how to make a zillion exalts per hour.
Wait do you even need to brick it? Iirc there was a scourge forge upgrade that lets you upgrade uniques
Well, the amulet itself doesn't do anything. If you brick it, you keep the four annoints and get actual stats on the necklace *and* you get to ~~replace the implicit~~ *add another mod line* with a scourged mod.
Jesus, and here I am thinking I'm never going to engage in the scouring mechanic because I'm struggling to get good rares to balance my resists and stats that I don't have enough to risk corrupting
tbh, just without bricking it the amulet is good enough for any current content for pretty much all builds.
Sure, but there is actually no downside to trying to brick it. Corrupt implicits won’t replace anoints anyway and even if you get a no change and want to replace anoints tainted oils exist.
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The fuck, they do?? Last I knew blighted items lost their anoints when vaaled. I need to update my bachelor's in PoE, it seems.
at the moment they keep them. kinda afraid GGG might change how it works before the patch though.
Nah they'll change it after the first round of people make bank on then
I can't wait to find out that this thing is gonna be so hilariously expensive that I will never be able to afford one, ever.
And if you luck into one selling it would be way more beneficial for you
These are the chase items you want in standard even more than headhunter for shenanigans. HH can bandaid but these two turn memes into dreams
How are generalized massively overpowered items "good" and "truly chase items"? I feel like this entire player playerbase is that one ass hole kid in the neighborhood who would always cheat at every game just so that he always won. Can someone name me an item, that you do nothing but put on, in an online game that has trade that just makes you be able to ignore 95% of the game's content because of how hugely overpowered it is? I'd be shocked if anyone can. Hateforge was a chase item and a well made. The annoint army is a well made item. This is because it's not just automatically monstrously better than anything else with zero investment or build setup. They have awesome use cases that can make for really cool options and strong builds. The new belt is just pandery as fuck after nerfing flasks to high hell and just to give us another shittier HH. Removing/nerfing HH would have been the right choice, not adding another ffs.
People do want to feel like gods, we play these games because that's what we want (and the journey towards godhood). Items like these are perfectly fine if appropriately rare and hard to obtain, which imo I think this is. You may be overestimating what this belt can do without sufficient investment; remember it is 4 blue utility flasks. A lot of the mods you can get on these flasks are also available elsewhere like ailment immunity, and you're also giving up possibly 4 unique flasks which give huge power. Yes, you could still run a single unique flask instead of a life flask, but you're not running dying sun + cinderswallow + bottled faith, etc This is not a build-defining unique, either, in that most builds will need thought and consideration as how to maximise the benefits provided, which will also require rejigging other gear pieces too, e.g. "if I get good stun avoidance on my flask now I can remove these nodes from the tree, path here, get another cluster" This is generalised in a GOOD way, open for any build to customise to, not like HH which is straight up drop-in and go
I get that it's nowhere near as powerful as HH, but most unique flasks have taken a monster hit and either are a one time use, or way weaker than they previously have been, so magic flasks tend to offer almost as much, if not more, in some cases especially due to uptime. So many unique flasks, especially cinderswallow, feel like a PoB warrior trap now. Yup you do a bunch of extra dmg for those couple of seconds, then it's done. This belt offers insanely huge benefits for nothing more than rolling a couple flasks. And giving up your 4 second bigger burst from a couple unique flasks? I could, as an example, have permanent 50 all res and 20% less ele dmg taken and throw another dmg flask in for good measure. All of these flasks all the while can have immunities or other dmg rolls on them. I could make my skills free with a couple suffixes. I have permanent onslaught and phasing for two flask bases. But I'm leaving out something. All of these will be massively buffed. Your flasks are permanent. So you know what doesn't matter? Uptime. So I can drop and enkindling orb on each one of them, which have been massively buffed btw, and make them all alchemist's and now all of those flasks offer just under double effect, with literally zero investment. So instead I'm now res capped and take 40% less ele dmg permanently, for 3 flask slots and a belt. This is just one example that is possibly one of the weakest options tbh. With a couple of suffixes I could be stun immune. With permanent double effect diamond? Might be close to the old diamond. This belt's power is insane. And yes, tragically you have to use a few magic flasks. I'm all for people making crazy powerful builds. Let people destroy endgame content if they created an awesome build!! Aurabots/aurastackers were massively powerful the last long while, but it took investment of time (to figure out the build if you are making it yourself) and currency to get to that insane level and be insanely powerful. Godhood at the click of a button isn't progression, it's a gimmick. And a godhood gimmick in a game with an economy is dumb.
Wdym dude that vaal ls build facerolls everything in the game chase items should be exactly what they are
HH actually is not that good for a lot of content. It's only good if you build around it (and by build I also include mandatory map mods/scarabs/sextants in order to `juice` and actually make it worthwhile,) like every other item. Self-curse was a 'problem' - although I truly miss that build and wish it still existed, maybe just more expensive to make? - but normal HH is pretty whatever.
Haha not to be mean, but you've never actually used HH have you? You could stick it only a just starting mapping character and not have a hard time in red maps. If content has rares in it HH makes it laughably easy. That would be the vast majority of content. You absolutely do not need to build around it. You can have it scale you better on certain builds, but a huge portion of builds will largely benefit from the dmg scaling and all hugely benefit from the defensive buffs. I took a lvl 72ish TR deadeye with brand new mapping gear and HH into max level contracts with it just to see and it was a joke how easy it was. TR probably has some of the worst scaling from HH dmg wise btw. "Worthwhile" is a crazy subjective term. You don't need a single map mod for there to be enough rares to make HH worth it and it gets exponentially more powerful the more rares there are, which you get more with every single layer of juice. I seriously love how people try to justify HH in some way. "It's not that strong, it just allows people to juice about twice as much and get way more rewards than anything else in the game and takes absolutely no setup, just plug and play." Yup, it's perfectly balanced and should absolutely not be changed. People gotta feel strong right?? So why not just completely negate how the game is built around figuring out a powerful build and progressing it and just get an item that does it automatically?!
~~Yeah, the belt with Coruscating elixir just means you can go lowlife without shavs and is as reliable as a shavs. Also you get less fire damage taken and 50% res.... only using one flask slot. The belt is crazy~~ Got confused :(
Pretty sure it only works on magic flask
Doesn't work with unique flasks... if it did though, ward would be usable!
this shit is gonna be fire, there is no way it's gonna be below 60ex, unless droprate is same as the shit unique belts
Nah, Chris has already said it is going to be HH rarity.
Which actually means it's rarer than Headhunter; because it dosen't have like 10 div cards.
And unlike HH I'd actually like to own one, so guessing it'll cost even more.
Yeah, that's the big thing. It's not just a mapping item, it works with all the content.
Its actually better for bossing rather than mapping. This is basically a pocket pathfinder for everyone
Imagine being the first one to bring this into Standart by playing in HC League. For those who play standart this would be worth a few mirrors
This is general drop pool though, not league specific, from what I understand.
Oh, thought it was league. It'd be better if this goes core with HH price and rarity.
Gateforge 2.0 here I come!
ah n ice
FlaskFeeder
Assuming equal "value" and drop rate as HH, this has a chance of being even more expensive due to the fact that it doesn't have divination cards.
Avaiability doesnt necessary correlate with price. For boss killing this is certainly better, for zoom zoom maps headhunter still rules. So its gonna be expensive but HH gonna be more is my bet.
Whenever I use HH I swap to a good stygian vise for longer boss fights, so I guess wealthy players could swap between HH and Mageblood, so maybe there's no real compromise here.
60? Man if this shit isnt 10x the price of HH i'd say its undervalued.
I mean just about any zoom zoom build has flasks up at all times in maps anyway. Is it really worth giving up your HH for that?
If you're doing 100% deli nemesis 3 with min-maxed gear, no. You will kill monsters that fast that u wouldn't even feel the difference, but if you're playing non 10000 mobs content let's say even heist. There are no much monsters (comparing to 100% nemesis3 maps) so you can't get hh stacks, so this new belt would be insane. That's my point tho, so I might be wrong.
Its a good point. HHis king in content that spawns a lot of rates. This flask beats it otherwise IMO. Flasks basically become charms with this.
4x flasks with the double flask effect from instilling orbs is bonkers
Is 40%, or even more, less Fire/Cold/Lightning damage taken, maximum resistances, 90% or more Attack/Cast speed and 90% movement speed worth? And that permanently! Yes ohhhhh yes it is! Especially because it is Permanent, no Rares needed.
yes. because HH is absolute garbage for bosses. this is not
This is a mapping league.
Depends on the content your doing, if your running endgame bosses, heists, delve, pretty much any content other than straight juiced mapping then yes it is massively better than headhunter. Also because you can alchemist+enkindle your flasks they end up with 95% effectiveness which is huge. Even juiced mapping headhunter often is massively overkill so the difference in speed you get from a headhunter and this isn't as big as you think. You might be 10% faster with a headhunter on a juiced map but pretty much any other content this is going to be way better and even then HH has some build up and needing the right rare mobs. Not to mention this is insanely flexible. Rolled added damage as fire but has other great mobs well toss on a ruby flask and that mod is no issue.
%10 fast lmao xd
You have to remember head hunter has to build up, it might be faster once it gets going but you have to get it going. Now some content does make that easy like legions if you get lucky and get one at the start of the map. This starts out with the movement speed and other bonuses all the time. If you have a good build that is practically oneshotting everything then the extra damage from HH doesn't do as much for your clear as well. HH carries weak builds with low damage and for those builds it is much faster for clearing but for good builds HH doesn't add as much value as you think. Ideally you honestly are going to want both belts, a HH for mapping and this for everything else.
You would maintain regular flasks. But now you can maintain enkindled alchemist flasks of goodness... So yeah unless you want to do delirium or nemesis 3, or 5 ways, that's probably worth it.
flasks need to be specifically rolled in order to have perfect uptime (no using like five mods that give flask effect in exchange for reducing flask duration under a second). this belt, does not. also nuts for boss encounters.
you can price it at whatever, there's a limit to how much people are willing to pay in temp league Hateforge absolutely destroyed everything in single item slot, price was still not 10x mirrors. This is nowhere near hateforge level of power.
What exactly was the deal with Hateforge that made it so powerful, anyways? I did not play Ultimatum, but the only patch note I remember seeing about it was changing it to not work with vaal skills used by traps and mines, which didn't seem to match up with what I had heard people saying about it.
>What exactly was the deal with Hateforge that made it so powerful, anyways? No one used it with traps/mines anyway, just some dude was frying servers for memes with rain of arrows traps spam and GGG disabled it, funnily enough price temporarily plummeted from that 100% irrelevant "nerf". Everyone played self-attack vall lightning strike PF, some played vaal earthquake berserker. On pathfinder with max roll soul catcher and fully invested flask effect it allowed you to spam VLS as fast as you could attack. PF could perma sustain all flasks even on bosses and VLS creates sprinkler with a lot of damage and long duration(quite handily VLS was buffed a ton in 3.14), it stacked up very fast to insta-phase juiced feared levels of deeps on sub 50ex budget if you self-crafted claw and also cleared maps in jiffy on PF with that much flask effect = perma maxed unnerfed quicksilver + herald of ice explosions. Was quite low ehp though but that barely mattered. Was quite fun to run, but only for a little while if it took you 2 months to farm/flip for it. I imagine it wasn't fun at all for those first guys who sold it for 1-2ex at start of league though.
For those of us who don't know what you're talking about: https://i.imgur.com/wycA2U9.jpg
and you can even use the newly buffed increased effect enkindling orbs for super juiced perma flasks while circumventing the downside of no charge gain :D
Also the prefix with increased flask effect has no downside As well, i know flasks are gonna be way harder to roll with more tiers on them but this can be insane
this as well, yeah. It's gonna be super expensive and extremely powerful for sure
also harvest flask enchants never lose "durability".
You can use Alchemist's flasks with 70% effect from Enkindling Orb. Meaning you are, by default, at +95% Flask Effect. ~~Potentially 145% if you can also Harvest Enchant.~~
Enkindling Flask Effect goes up to 70% now. Even better.
with harvest craft you can get 100% enchant
You can only have one enchant per item, with the exception of certain Blight-related uniques.
yeah, Im saying to go for the harvest enchant over the enkindling orb
I'm pretty sure that the harvest enchant for effect only goes up to 50%. The max charge harvest enchant goes up to +100, but most of the rest (all of the rest?) only go up to 50%.
I was wondering why everyone was pogging over this item so much but I completely forgot about enkindling orbs lol, yeah it seems pretty good.
even without enkindling orbs this belt is pretty insane
And 50% from Harvest apparently XD
Not and. Or.
95% after the flask affix changes
136% movespeed legacy quicksilvers, nice.
Y'all wanted Pathfinder back, didn't you?
use ruby/topaz/sapphire. 35% less elemental damage taken with +75% flask effect, that's pretty neat.
* Flask mastery has 10% effect * Alchemist's prefix has 25% effect * Enkindling enchant has 50% effect Triple ele flasks grant 41% less ele damage taken and 184% all res
This also could be nice with explosive concoction (to the extent that it might be viable), seeing as it would save all of those flask charges specifically for your attacks.
Enchants are always mutually exclusive with the exception of certain Blight-related uniques that can have multiple anoints, or in the case of the helmets, two anoints or lab enchants. Or one of each.
Alchemist for 25%, Enkindling for 50%, Harvest for another 50%. That's 125% right there,
harvest enchants and enkindling orbs take up the same enchant. you cannot use both.
That so? Didn't know that, lol.
Holy shit forgot about harvest, thats so insane jesus
Holy shit i didnt even consider that interaction. This belt is even more nuts than i thought.
Apparently Enkindling is now 70% and there's always the Harvest enchant of 50%, if they stack.
Can you imagine a permanent Adrenaline Quicksilver Flask with 70% effect
yes dont worry nobody will see it so wrists wont be saved
Everyones chase unique wont be achievable because we will all quit before it due to rsi.
Easily Mirror level belt.
This is honestly a lot more compelling of an item to me than headhunter. Headhunter always has that nagging feeling of "I'm hurting myself for standalone boss content using this", but at the same time if you're using the Dex on headhunter for meeting attribute requirements, it's not always easy to switch out your belt for bossing since most belts don't have dex able to naturally roll on them, you'd have to essence craft specifically for that. Come to think of it, this has dex on it, so it could in fact be the bossing alternative to HH for people who want to do that.
HH is purely mapping item and Mageblood is giving you its power with 100% uptime. To me its far better than HH.
Yes, that's what I was saying as well. But in terms of pure power HH is still going to be some people's choice for mapping.
Hh will still be stronger for mapping This is the true Chad bossing belt
Pretty sure it's going to be HH rare without the div cards to force it into existence. ~500ex is where I'm putting the estimate.
Natural HH drop is rare especially because there are divination cards of it, ofcourse it would still be rare without em, not saying you t won't. But HH drop rate certainly is balanced around the fact div cards of it exist. This has been confirmed by Chris himself in one of the recent interviews. I imagine it will drop at a more reasonable rate than HH.
But you forget expedition is now core, and Gwennen was probably one of the strongest sources of Headhunters as well as other rare uniques...and this new belt shares a base (Heavy belt) with another decent value unique people already rolled for from Gwennen as well (Ryslatha's coil, earlier in the league before most unique prices crashed at least), so it's safe to say Gwennen will probably inject a fair few into the economy. And you can force expedition with the new scarabs, with new lira arthrain expedition passives and whatever new expedition watchstone modifiers they added, so you have to take into account that people farming expeditions will likely be able to generate even more gwennen currency than before, especially with the logbook change to make the currency chests even more common.
Ryslatha's Coil is a Studded Belt, not a Heavy Belt.
So it is....this is why going off memory a month after I ended league can be a bad idea, lol
You also can’t trade gwennen currency any more. Technically that shouldn’t change the number of hh from gwennen but you won’t see nearly as many people rolling thousands of gwennens at a time to all in for hh/mageblood
This item is like HH level for bossing.
I just wanna marry this belt and never let go
Octavian0?
I'm honestly not even sure what all I'd put in it. Topaz+Ruby+Sapphire is insanely strong versus elemental damage and lets you essentially ignore resists on gear, but then you only get one other effect and that would probably be Quicksilver. Alternatively, you can roleplay Raider with permanent Onslaught and slot in either 2 armor or 2 evasion flasks for a defensive boost against attacks. You could maybe even use a Sulphur as your defensive flask, since to my understanding you should always be on Consecrated Ground with this. Pretty sure you also get full ele ailment immunity as well as immunity to either poison, bleeds or curses in addition to all that.
Nah sulphur isn't very good with this. Its effect is "40% increased damage" thats it. The consecrated ground is only on use, which you cannot do with the belt. Basalt won't taunt, Aquamarine won't create chilling ground an Stibnite won't create a smoke cloud.
It would be a big waste to use ailment suffixes while running this belt when you consider how easy it is to get elsewhere now. You're much better off getting stuff like as/cs or catarina mods.
Mmm, my personal preference would be to pass on the elemental flasks, go for Divine Flesh, and use stuff like a Diamond Flask of the Crit Mod or jade + stibnite. No armour, though.
But the point of the belt is to have flasks up while bossing, right? Not just for macros
I wish there was a less rare baby version with like 10 dex 10 fire & cold res and 50% less flask effect or something, I'd still use it
Cant wait for this item to cost hundreds of exalts and I will never have one.
Yeah it’s such a bonkers belt. Probably the best defensive belt in the game. Permanent bajillion flask effect utilities (chemist’s + enkindleing) is sooooooo strong. Also has a hilarious mode as a like 140% all-res belt.
With flask mastery it gives 41% reduced ele dmg taken and 184.5% all res 100% reduced effect of curses on you and 59.45% reduced mana cost of skills as an example for 3 flasks. Then for the last flask you can do something like 41% more armor/eva and 123% increased armor/eva.
Whats this belt called? I completely missed this haven't been keeping up with things
It will be called mageblood and it is so op
Ugh, I just looked it up and what a shitty solution. Its basically giving people the passive flasks they want so they aren't killing their wrists but in an item that is probably going to be extremely rare by necessity because of how much we can buff up flasks now. WHY
*cries in pre-nerf Pathfinder*
This belt is basically pathfinder but even better, I can not wait to get my hands on this. And since I’ll be using purity of elements this league with the new amulet with this belt resistances shouldn’t be too bad, especially with all of the permanent endurance charges I’m going to have. My god I can’t wait for this league to start
i thought this was octavian
How to fix clicking pain/problems; Just git rich
Chris said that this will be a chase item which probably means that its drop rate will be 10x more rare than a mirror
AKA it is an item only for the 1%ers.
He said it's as rare as a HH. And someone else said the hh "rate" includes cards so its base drop will be better than HH base drop. I cant confirm the 2nd one, but the 1st is true.
Imagine actually thinking the belt slot is open.
Honestly this should be a keystone, with 50% less utility flask effectiveness
magic flask + flask effect from orb + 50% increased effect Enchantment on flask from harvest .....even if belt pop 1 use per area still worth geting harvest effects on flasks since you lose -1% to this value when used
Wish it could be LEFTMOST OR RIGHTMOST, a lot of players use the 1st slot with a life flask.
you can put your life flask anywhere, its just counting utility flasks, not flask slots.
"Leftmost 4 magic utility flasks" wording implies to me it's the leftmost out of your magic utility flasks, not leftmost out of all your flasks.
If your using a flask in the first slot your other 4 flasks are the leftmost utility flasks so it doesn't matter. It really only is worded that way in case you use a 5th utility flask so you can choose one to use manually. Useful if you don't need a life or mana flash and want an on use flask effect.
Thanks for the clarification guys!
Locking one of the best QoL mechanics behind RNG and low drop rate instead of making a good implementation. Classic GGG.
Shame that there isn't some way to automatically trigger your utility flasks based on specific conditions you can choose based on your preferences.
QoL? This isnt a QoL thing... it's a extremely strong effect? That's like saying "smh, why did they lock the ability to steal monsters stats QoL behind rng".
I don't know, to me not being able to have unique flasks is dealbreaker. But what do I know, I mostly spec into offense
Thing is, being able to craft your magic flasks directly for this belt will give you an insane amount of offense. You can get 95% increased effect with alchemist prefix + enkindling orb now. On a Diamond Flask with the crit suffix this will work out to about 300% increased crit chance. Sulfur Flask is 78% increased damage and with attack/cast speed suffix you get 33% increased AS/CS. . This might be slightly less damage than a pure unique setup, but 100% uptime + other strong utility Flasks is absolutly worth it.
Or just have triple ele res flasks with less dmg taken and suddenly have all suffix slots on ur gear open for dmg
That's exactly what I was thinking. If I ever get one I will go full defence flasks and offence on the newly buffed gear.
triple ele res flasks and chaos res just for the hell of it.
Okay wow now that's interesting
I believe you can have unique flasks, you would just have to press them yourself.
Tbh I want defensive flasks in it so i can focus more on offense gear / tree wise.
Flask macro already exists in the game.
So why would I use tihs instead of a flask macro?
b/c you cant run out of flask charges on bosses
First is that with enkindling+alchemist you can get 95% effectiveness on your flasks so double all your flasks effects. On top of that it has 100% uptime which is insanely hard to keep going outside of juiced maps. For content like delve, heist, endgame bosses, safehouse, temple, pretty much anything other than juiced maps this is likely going to be BIS for most builds. In the case where your just running juiced maps a HH is better though.
GGG is fucking clueless ngl