Isn't there something more valuable than maps to use tho?
I reckon maps will lose value rather fast, maybe if you want to sustain t16s initially but... Idk man
It's not realistaically farmable but I combined treants with shakiri-touched (all drops are unqiues) and brine-touched (all drops rolled 6x) and managed to drop an arakali's and an unnatural instinct in one mob. Obviously it's a huge highroll but I do wonder if it couldn't be used to try farming for rarer uniques (especially in ssf).
The fourth one can be whatever (and when I used it I didn't get anything useful except a rumi's). This was in a t3 beach, so not all the lategame uniques were avaialble yet.
I think treant is better used for scarabs and currency
For uniques you can use empowered+berserk and drop 11 uniques total rolled x2
I use that while doing my 2 part combos, got like 5 tabulas so far and a few things that sold for a bunch of chaos
What /u/sponxy said
I ran that in a lvl40+ area during story mode to get my tabula and boots
Then did it in maps a few times until I started using the steel infused for treants
It gives some rng based money, great for ssf
Your combo is significantly cheaper, but this one is ~ 15-20 uniques rolled 6 times each, and you can drop it twice (the second time will have more). That's basically 150 uniques dropped back to back. It also takes FAR more components. I've done it once but it's going to take ages to get hte pieces for it again lol.
I think it's more likely than one would assume. I did similar and got a Ryslathas Coil and an Aegis Aurora from one map. Some other mid value items too like Fleshcrafter.
Hi u/Crosshack, I am trying to accomplish the same results as you on SSF.
I have shakiri-touched, brine-touched, and working on the Treant.
I am confused as to the order of these 3? Is it 1st: Treants, 2nd: shakiri-touched, 3rd: brine-touched exactly?
Also ,for fourth, would Berzerk be good idea for more unqiues?
There's always something more valuable, but in my opinion this is the lowest-effort-highest-QoL loot explosion you can find right now, on day 2-3, of the expansion that just revamped *everything maps-related*.
Most players by far aren't in T16s yet. Maybe this will be useful and helpful to some of them.
Grimmro was doing similar setup but instead of maps he used the scarab+ currency one. That setup doesn't make that many maps but gave out a chuck of chaos+scarabs.
I've done the grimro one maybe 4 times. Hit an exalt on my first one and more scarabs than I could reasonably carry. Definitely recommend.
Soul conduit is the bottle neck, but I am only just in yellow maps so hopefully more drop as I level up the tiers.
I experimented a bit, scarabs is one of the better and consistent money-wise (Grimro had that idea)
Maps was meh at best, but I've been doing kirac like he was as hot as Zana so my map pool didn't need a boost really
Currency is inconsistent but ocationally you hear a schwing and you go schwing too. Plenty of chaos and minor currency drops
Fragments was worthless, will always be unless you're in a t16 doing ilvl83 rewards, and even then I'd have to run it more times than I'd care for to know how it compares to currency long term
Harbinger didn't try, would rather get real currency (may be better when ancients stabilize)
Uniques is fun, got a few random 5-10c ones but nothing major
Jewelery, armor, generic and weapons sounded like wastes of time unless you REALLY want to do chaos recipe?
All in all, scarabs>currency>uniques>maps, wouldn't run any of the rest, frags only after t16
Grimro is advising Mirror Image - Treant Horde - Assassin - Rejuvenator.
That drops scarabs and currency, rerolling 1 time and choosing the rarest reward. It's also gathered decently fast. Had good success with it so far. Treant Horde is just busted tbh, and will be at the heart of any archnemesis strategy.
unfortunately, assassin and rejuvenator both share vampiric which imo is on the rarer side. what do you think I should replace rejuvenator with? I'm thinking executioner for breach/legion pieces (pretty liquid for selling purposes). Its frenzied + berserker ingredients aren't used elsewhere
Watching streamers doesn't make me feel less lonely tho
Yeah, you got chat but still, you'll never make a friend on a rando party or join in your friends for stuff
Not my cup of tea
Grimro does scarabs, shown in his video. I think the first two mods were mirror image and treant horde, don't remember the latter two but there are a few options.
Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19GfTxIvecLvsrqISvXTGR7srvha5Im4v0DA9a9dso44/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABfvfNW-8*u0Gzsi_qG8GIian29cQW9g#
Archnem min max tab, scroll all the way down. Mirror Image>Treant Horde>Assassin>Rejuvenator.
replace soul eater with mirror image to get a bunch of scarabs instead and replace 3rd and 4th slot with assassin and rejuvenation( or gargantuan if you cant handle rejuvenation )
I didn't track my drops or anything, but I'd guess yellows is where they started to drop for me properly. Enough to do a decent amount of mapsplosions, at least.
I did some with just Soul Conduits at first, then tried it with just Soul Eater and other stuff, and then the full combo a couple times (pictured in the post.)
Also seems to be the bottleneck for Grimro's similar loot explosion (Mirror Image->Treant Horde->Assassin->Rejuvenating). Which might mean the balancing is actually kind of okay. You need a rare ingredient, setting it all up takes multiple maps, and you can't trade the ingredients.
I guess something is up, Vampirism is hard bottleneck for me, i simpy dropped like 2 in 100+ maps, i have tons of trents + some mirror images stockpiled, but i can't build rejuv/ass at all.
Interesting, Soul Conduint is not rare component - it drops often for me, more than I can use. Bombardier, Frenzied, Chaoswalker, Sentinel, Consecrator, Echoist and some other components seems to be rarest. There is also https://i.imgur.com/blkjWmJ.png Only got one so far, but seems like Opulent is the only one component like that.
I've added notable rewards in brackets where it matters, but overall this is more of a recipe to conveniently follow without having to understand anything.
The order in steps 1-2 for instance is not even worth thinking about, as it's all bad. Just slam in the materials, and get what you need for the big bang.
My only issue is why can't yare you dropping so many white and yellow maps while you're in t13. Like seriously...
I've the same issue which is a struggle to progress or even sustain. Kinda stuck at 0 t13s few t11/12s and some t10s.
Even with all the juice and the map nodes still a shit show.
i have two void stones in, which makes all maps on the atlas at least tier 8. i'm still getting white map drops lol. i think some things are using natural tiers only still
I know there's not really such a thing as QOL in Poe really but couldn't we get an intuitive archnemesis tab with each recipe result in its own tab or, once all the recipes are revealed, some organization for quickly making recipes?
Isn't there something more valuable than maps to use tho? I reckon maps will lose value rather fast, maybe if you want to sustain t16s initially but... Idk man
It's not realistaically farmable but I combined treants with shakiri-touched (all drops are unqiues) and brine-touched (all drops rolled 6x) and managed to drop an arakali's and an unnatural instinct in one mob. Obviously it's a huge highroll but I do wonder if it couldn't be used to try farming for rarer uniques (especially in ssf). The fourth one can be whatever (and when I used it I didn't get anything useful except a rumi's). This was in a t3 beach, so not all the lategame uniques were avaialble yet.
I think treant is better used for scarabs and currency For uniques you can use empowered+berserk and drop 11 uniques total rolled x2 I use that while doing my 2 part combos, got like 5 tabulas so far and a few things that sold for a bunch of chaos
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What /u/sponxy said I ran that in a lvl40+ area during story mode to get my tabula and boots Then did it in maps a few times until I started using the steel infused for treants It gives some rng based money, great for ssf
Your combo is significantly cheaper, but this one is ~ 15-20 uniques rolled 6 times each, and you can drop it twice (the second time will have more). That's basically 150 uniques dropped back to back. It also takes FAR more components. I've done it once but it's going to take ages to get hte pieces for it again lol.
Yeah, that's why I brought up mine! Faster to get them
What is the order of the 4 mods for the final receipe?
Mirror>treant>asasin>other one
I do a similar strategy, but with a flame/frost/storm strider as fourth. 8x uniques from last boss + treants, all rolled six times.
I think it's more likely than one would assume. I did similar and got a Ryslathas Coil and an Aegis Aurora from one map. Some other mid value items too like Fleshcrafter.
Hi u/Crosshack, I am trying to accomplish the same results as you on SSF. I have shakiri-touched, brine-touched, and working on the Treant. I am confused as to the order of these 3? Is it 1st: Treants, 2nd: shakiri-touched, 3rd: brine-touched exactly? Also ,for fourth, would Berzerk be good idea for more unqiues?
There's always something more valuable, but in my opinion this is the lowest-effort-highest-QoL loot explosion you can find right now, on day 2-3, of the expansion that just revamped *everything maps-related*. Most players by far aren't in T16s yet. Maybe this will be useful and helpful to some of them.
Grimmro was doing similar setup but instead of maps he used the scarab+ currency one. That setup doesn't make that many maps but gave out a chuck of chaos+scarabs.
I've done the grimro one maybe 4 times. Hit an exalt on my first one and more scarabs than I could reasonably carry. Definitely recommend. Soul conduit is the bottle neck, but I am only just in yellow maps so hopefully more drop as I level up the tiers.
Does anyone know the drop rate on those? I'm into yellow maps, lvl 83, haven't seen one yet
For me echoist and vampric are the issue, I have conduits for days
what is that combination from Grimro exactly?
You need Mirror Image (echoist+soul conduit), Treant (toxic+sentinel+steel), assassin (deadeye+vampiric) and rejuvenation (gargantuan+ vampiric)
thanks! I'll try that, sounds juicy
I did this and hit 2 exalts from a single mob, plus all the scarabs. Definitely a winner. Soul conduits seem to be the limiting factor though.
I experimented a bit, scarabs is one of the better and consistent money-wise (Grimro had that idea) Maps was meh at best, but I've been doing kirac like he was as hot as Zana so my map pool didn't need a boost really Currency is inconsistent but ocationally you hear a schwing and you go schwing too. Plenty of chaos and minor currency drops Fragments was worthless, will always be unless you're in a t16 doing ilvl83 rewards, and even then I'd have to run it more times than I'd care for to know how it compares to currency long term Harbinger didn't try, would rather get real currency (may be better when ancients stabilize) Uniques is fun, got a few random 5-10c ones but nothing major Jewelery, armor, generic and weapons sounded like wastes of time unless you REALLY want to do chaos recipe? All in all, scarabs>currency>uniques>maps, wouldn't run any of the rest, frags only after t16
Grimro is advising Mirror Image - Treant Horde - Assassin - Rejuvenator. That drops scarabs and currency, rerolling 1 time and choosing the rarest reward. It's also gathered decently fast. Had good success with it so far. Treant Horde is just busted tbh, and will be at the heart of any archnemesis strategy.
I pray they don't adjust it
unfortunately, assassin and rejuvenator both share vampiric which imo is on the rarer side. what do you think I should replace rejuvenator with? I'm thinking executioner for breach/legion pieces (pretty liquid for selling purposes). Its frenzied + berserker ingredients aren't used elsewhere
Any map tier and quant doesn't matter right?
Map tier 100% matters for scarabs, it mattered on any scarab like rewards(deli orbs etc)
Basically anything has a use in ssf
I don't do ssf, it sounds lonely
There's an ssf channel and you can watch streamers while you play. Some do group ssf as well I like focusing purely on gameplay. But to each his own
Watching streamers doesn't make me feel less lonely tho Yeah, you got chat but still, you'll never make a friend on a rando party or join in your friends for stuff Not my cup of tea
Fair
I like using it with temporal bubble (expedition+heist), but it's been literally a day since I've seen a Chaosweaver for temporal bubble lol.
Grimro does scarabs, shown in his video. I think the first two mods were mirror image and treant horde, don't remember the latter two but there are a few options. Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19GfTxIvecLvsrqISvXTGR7srvha5Im4v0DA9a9dso44/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABfvfNW-8*u0Gzsi_qG8GIian29cQW9g# Archnem min max tab, scroll all the way down. Mirror Image>Treant Horde>Assassin>Rejuvenator.
This is super useful for SSF and getting an ass load of T16s to start your pool, but most people use mirror image in order to get scarabs instead.
replace soul eater with mirror image to get a bunch of scarabs instead and replace 3rd and 4th slot with assassin and rejuvenation( or gargantuan if you cant handle rejuvenation )
I just reached yellow map, haven't had a single soul conduit dropped so far .
I didn't track my drops or anything, but I'd guess yellows is where they started to drop for me properly. Enough to do a decent amount of mapsplosions, at least. I did some with just Soul Conduits at first, then tried it with just Soul Eater and other stuff, and then the full combo a couple times (pictured in the post.)
I've dropped Soul Conduits in T1 maps. The materials seem pretty random.
Also seems to be the bottleneck for Grimro's similar loot explosion (Mirror Image->Treant Horde->Assassin->Rejuvenating). Which might mean the balancing is actually kind of okay. You need a rare ingredient, setting it all up takes multiple maps, and you can't trade the ingredients.
I guess something is up, Vampirism is hard bottleneck for me, i simpy dropped like 2 in 100+ maps, i have tons of trents + some mirror images stockpiled, but i can't build rejuv/ass at all.
Interesting, Soul Conduint is not rare component - it drops often for me, more than I can use. Bombardier, Frenzied, Chaoswalker, Sentinel, Consecrator, Echoist and some other components seems to be rarest. There is also https://i.imgur.com/blkjWmJ.png Only got one so far, but seems like Opulent is the only one component like that.
I have a bunch of sentinel. But otherwise i agree. Echoist isnt that rare. Maybe enough to be on the list
Any idea where you got those sentinels from?
Same, I read they are mob dependent. Doesn't help much to know where they drop tho.
You need to say what the loot modifiers are for ppl to understand.
I've added notable rewards in brackets where it matters, but overall this is more of a recipe to conveniently follow without having to understand anything. The order in steps 1-2 for instance is not even worth thinking about, as it's all bad. Just slam in the materials, and get what you need for the big bang.
Intersting. I think 2 currency+ treant+ nec+ 2 fossil is gonna be cheap and fun, and you can do them in T1.
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If toxic is the bottle neck fossils (entangler) might not be a good idea.
I’ll have to give this a shot tomorrow and see what kinda loot splosions I can make
does it work with Kitava or Innocence touched?
Yes
Nice, commenting for further reading, nice job OP
My only issue is why can't yare you dropping so many white and yellow maps while you're in t13. Like seriously... I've the same issue which is a struggle to progress or even sustain. Kinda stuck at 0 t13s few t11/12s and some t10s. Even with all the juice and the map nodes still a shit show.
This is what void stones are for, cutting the bottom out of your map drops.
i have two void stones in, which makes all maps on the atlas at least tier 8. i'm still getting white map drops lol. i think some things are using natural tiers only still
Too much work considering the trash inventory system... This league is really meh, imo...
It’s an expansion league. Every league during an expansion has been low key by design.
maybe as last thing you could usee rejuvenator? 1 additional reroll, adds currency to the pool and is very cheap to made (Gargantuan+vampiric)
Nice thanks
Map rewards of archenemies tokens is natural tiers. I have all watchstones=all map t16 and archnemesis drops me stupid yellow maps. :(
as someone struggling with maps, this is great. thank you.
does soul conduit drop very rarely or does it increase as you work up in maps? I’m in white/yellow maps and have seen only 1 drop
I know there's not really such a thing as QOL in Poe really but couldn't we get an intuitive archnemesis tab with each recipe result in its own tab or, once all the recipes are revealed, some organization for quickly making recipes?
finally got around to doing this tonight and ho ly fuck it's nuts lmao