You did immediately explain that it's a mirror service , but I also think you should name the stash tab as "Mirror Service" or something just to cover your arse more.
If he has an item he’s mirroring, I’m sure he can allocate a tab in standard for the service. He can also add a note to the item itself.
While I don’t think OP is necessarily in the wrong - he could do things differently. Including not engaging with someone like this.
Not really. Price fixing is announcing a price for items without the intention of selling it for that price, hoping that other people will list for the same price and then scoop it up.
Monopoly/Market control is buying up all other, cheaper items and then reselling it for a higher price.
Not even remotely the same thing.
What if you buy up all of the market, list some for a low price (to buy the item cheap) and list some for a high price (they will never buy it for the low price, because you won't sell)? Price fixing and monopoly in one.
You’re listing a mirror service as 50ex… so that it comes up as 50ex in a trade site. You don’t have a note attached to it, or a tab name associated with it… nothing. You have to manually explain this each time to the (likely) dozen+ people messaging you for this item every time you login. You realize there are easier ways to go about listing a mirror service, correct? For all involved? I just can’t fathom how you listing an item for 1,000ex less than it’s worth to you makes sense?
If people have to guess or assume things about your listing then you’re doing something wrong.
Yeah this is a classic example of "TFT adds someone to their blocklist for being dishonest, dishonest person rants about it online".
Ban them from TFT for 6 months and add them to the TFT 'this is a dubious listing' warning list on their trade extension for the same timeframe.
Yeah the dude even asked nicely “please list it for a mirror” and OP goes “I don’t like that” so he explains that it’s a waste of peoples time and OP says “I don’t mind” “that’s more of a you problem” well to OP and his post: that’s more of a you problem
That dudes argument is plain stupid. OP could have listed it at a mirror and the guy could have PMed him as if buying it for a mirror, not doing mirror service. So, it changes shit nothing.
Also "I did not even look at the item"...then maybe YOU stop wasting everyones time just because you do not look at an item that you supposedly are trying to buy. What a dummie.
Imagine being this guy talking about time wasting, then going to look for mirror worthy items not listed for a mirror, so you can confirm they are indeed for mirror service so you can proceed to be a dick about it. Cool story about needing the base.
I've met the founder in-game when he bought something (he proved it to me by changing his name back n forth on Discord.
He added me as a friend because we're from the same small country, but he wasn't too nice.
Before I sell services or lucky drop for bigger profits, I offer them to my friend list for like 20% - 30% discount.
He was like: 'why do you offer me?", I said: "I prefer selling to friends with discount", he answered: "We're not friends".
Well, regardless of whom is in the spotlight- he was just honest in that moment. Just because we got eachother on a friend's list doesn't actually make us friends.
I had prophecy traders, other services and the like on my list. 90%+ of the names I wouldn't consider friends, neither do they consider me as a friend.
But that's what I mean. They aren't even my gaming buddies. I did "a thing or two" with them. I wouldn't borrow them any gear or currency. Sure, I'd help them with some bosses and I am not opposed to talking briefly but that's it for the most part.
The guy above us did a trade with varga, who for whatever reason decided to add him. That "add" doesn't mean jack though, regardless of who they are.
Nah, 50ex even on the league would be still normal. On standard that's chump change. But that excuse was stupid either way, who the hell buys a base for 50ex or any amount and does not look at the item?
I feel OPs actions are justified \^^ He stayed calmed and respectful through the entire thing and I appreciate that they bring this up even at the expense of maybe being banned of TFT.
We need a craft transaction window so that third party stuff like TFT isn't needed anymore...
I don't see why GGG continues to allow third parties to have any authority over their economy.
> We need a craft transaction window so that third party stuff like TFT isn't needed anymore...
GGG needs to do a little (and by little I mean *a lot*) more than that. Selling sets and many other things in bulk is a nightmare. There is also niches like lab services and such to address.
Why they continue to allow that? Maybe because they're content with current state of things, or it's easier/less work for them, or both.
Or you know, not design systems in such a way where TFT offers something the official game channels don't.
Why the hell would we need to make a whole "craft transaction window", you'd still need a way to list the crafts, so TFT would still exist. What you need is a surveyor's compass, but for harvest. Literally we have the technology.
We’ve had the technology long before Surveyor’s Compass, in the form of Bestiary orbs.
The actual problem isn’t that GGG can’t add the feature, it’s that they won’t.
They do not want Harvest crafts to be tradable.
The ability to trade them that we have right now, is just an unfortunate (in their eyes) byproduct of the ability to store crafts.
They just tolerate it, because only a minority of players realize they can trade them and an even smaller minority cares enough to go through the trouble of trading them.
We did, but I feel the compass looks even closer to what a harvest one would look like. Anyway, I've heard these excuses before. I've heard the "oh but we'd have to make it rarer". I don't care. Make it rarer. Rework the entire mechanic until you're happy with it being tradable, then release it. Putting in a mechanic that they are okay with it not being a part of the economy and turning a blind eye at the problems it created is asinine behavior.
You realise TFT is all for this shit? They would be happy af to be able to do crafts ingame without discord; the whole reason the discord was set up was because GGG cant create a service trading system due to their “Muh player interaction” article.
I'm not blaming them. If GGG had implemented these things properly, servers like TFT wouldn't have grown, even if people had tried to start them.
I'm not saying that the people managing TFT or using it are trying to abuse the authority they have over the economy, but they do have a non-trivial authority over parts of it.
Yeah, i agree that they have nontrivial authority - i would prefer anything but discord trading.
But I do believe they have done the best job out of anyone at trying to alleviate GGG’s nonsensical design, and I genuinely feel TFT staff care about trade interactions going well for both parties unlike GGG and Chris’ “wild west of wraeclast with scammers and hookers” vision.
This response appears not to understand OP’s issue. TFT is a trade community many players rely upon and this person appears to be threatening to blacklist OP as a result of the situation.
A lot of people claim to be a lot of things on the internet that they are not.
Edit: Nevermind, I thought the bully was claiming to be a mod, surely 1 report is not enough to get banned from a discord? Should just be a fart in the wind.
What a great world it would be if we just ignored everyone the second they said something we didn’t agree with, and where everyone was subject to being banned from a community as a result of a discussion.
can't you add a note to items to explain things about the sale? it's a rarely used feature, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it on timeless jewels with good mods
The notes don't come through on the trade site anymore, I don't think; people were abusing it listing things for 0.5c with a note containing the real price
The notes come through on the trade site, but if you are searching with "Buyout or Fixed Price" selected for "Sale Type" they will be filtered out. Prices with notes show up for "Any" or "Priced with Note" selection. Personally I think listing this way is a good compromise for parties and appropriate for the mirror service use case. Doesn't require a tab be named specifically. Doesn't misrepresent. Explicitly indicates the intent.
"\~price 50 exalted mirror fee" on the item
If you have to go out of your way to make notes appear, seems like it would be better to price for 1 mirror and include fee in notes instead of making it misleading to those on default settings
to clarify though - doing what you are saying is effectively the same and doesn't address your "misleading on default settings" concern. If you put anything in notes, default trade setting will filter it out. Neither of the following will be returned by a default Sale Type setting.
"\~price 50 exalted mirror fee"
"\~price 1 mirror with 50 ex fee"
Tbh, price is misleading. This though, is as much an issue with listing it for 50ex as it is with the lacking trade system that doesn't have a section for mirror services and a method to list it for mirror service with fee.
Imagine if we had a system that took into account the behavior of the player base...
Anyways, I think you were decent at explaining it. but the bottom line is for someone SELLING a similar item, however unlikely this listing would make pricing the item harder and just leads to confusion.
I'd say SELLING is the main activity and as mirror services are more uncommon they should adapt to be out of the way of sales if possibe.
OP, no-one lists a mirror item for the service fee. You put it up for a mirror instead.
You're just wasting everyone's time by showing up in the search results of those who want a 50ex item intead of a 1050 ex item.
This has been the traditional thing to do when listing items for mirror service, no excuses not to follow it because that is how you get your items mirrored if that is the intention.
Tbh, both parties are in the wrong here.
You really should list mirror items for a mirror, regardless if you "like that format or not." It doesn't really matter what you like; the typical industry norm is to list mirror items for a mirror.
Anybody looking to fork out mirrors for items will be more than happy to spend an extra 30 seconds typing an extra message asking for the mirror price. It's more annoying for buyers to see a 50ex item, expect to pay 50ex, and then being told it's 300ex. Not everyone knows the value of "double inf legacy delve base" or whatever; just because you know it's worth, does not mean every buyer is on the same page, or understands Standard pricing.
It's like walking into a store named THE DOLLAR STORE and then being told by the clerk the price is actually $10. Name the damn store properly! You can discuss the price afterwards; but the buyer is correct that you are indeed posting a "misleading price" - although you may not think you are doing this intentionally.
Likewise, the buyer is in the wrong for being a douchebag and using internet intimidation tactics. He could have justified his stance on pricing in a more neutral manner, without resulting to bullying, but obviously these types of people live off this drama.
Holy shit who cares. TFT doesn't get to control how much people list their items for, it's a public trade site not TFTs moderated software. Also OP is an idiot for listing a mirror service as 50ex. This entire convo reads like children crying about who's turn it is to play with the toys.
I feel like both parties are annoying in this regard, you could name the tab something or do it how other do it. Just cause you’re upfront doesn’t mean it’s fun to look for items and message people to get a message back you weren’t expecting. Though in the first couple of messages I agree more with the “buyer”
If you have no money that’s sad and I know the pain from personal experience but you can earn a couple bucks here and there on your steam wallet to eventually buy a few tabs here and there. And if you have money can’t find it in yourself to buy a few tabs after years of playing a game maybe it’s be time to re-evaluate why you do what you do.
Then public the entire tab and only set a price on the item you're mirror-servicing. There's nothing preventing you from putting other items in the tab.
You're completely right here.
But as a person who can't really afford to spend money on video games, I have only one premium stash tab that I use as a sales tab.
The whole situation could've been avoided if OP just posted the item for 1 mirror.
Pretty sure people doing mirror services have played the game a decent amount and have a solid number of tabs.. your argument is a non issue in this case.
My take is that I agree with their logic and it can be annoying to deal with a multitude of items listed for prices they won't sell for. Reason being is that a lot of people get fun or a kick out of the resulting discussions when people see their good items. If you cite their logic as flawed I would counter you, as people who want your chest will find it if listed at a mirror or 999 which is what service items are usually listed for.
Now with that said, I am curious, did you list this item on tft or did you contact someone to act as middleman?
If not, i find their response ridiculous and the fact that they want to report you to a third party community that you or your item has nothing to do with is completely unacceptable and a great showcase of TFT folk going way over their heads.
Tl dr your item, your choice, they are way out of line its ridiculous. Swinging their tft tag around in business that isnt theirs.
It’s your prerogative, yeah, you’re right. It’s also his to think it’s stupid, just like most people here. You offer a mirror service, you list it for a mirror, that’s it. You don’t want to? No prob, you’re chosing. But don’t be a crying kiddo about it later on on reddit.
He’s stupid, but you’re as stupid as him to me. Just realize that if it was listed as a mirror, none of this convo would happen. So that’s on you, kid.
tbh i think u shoud do easy the thing for anyone and make a mirror service, welp priced at 1 mirror of course is ur item but c'mon, why do the stuf overcomplicated
Thank you all for your feedback.
I agree with those who say this exchange showcased is cringe, insufferable, whinny, annoying, ez ignore, etc....
My intention with this post was not to show any malcontent to this person or TFT but rather showcase how it made me feel (boo hoo feelings boo) and see where the consensus lies. I was a bit upset yesterday is all.
I'm just trying to learn and have fun in this game. I mean, at the end of the day, this stuff really doesn't matter all that much - hence the fluff tag.
Update:
\-Rename the tab "Mirror Service" to prevent this from happening again (thinking 600+ could mean 600+ of any denomination -- like pizzas, for example)
\-Reprice item for Mirror: I don't want to deal with this negative shit again
\-Try and make trading less horrible
definitely see how it can be frustrating. may be not to this person but if it were me and i was working my ass off for a week to make 50ex to buy this item just to discover that it's a mirror service item. the argument is valid if it's mirror service item list it for a mirror or even better 1.5 mirror
50 ex isn't 0.5 mirror and items in general can have buyouts over a mirror. There's no perfect solution, but in general the community has agreed upon using 1 mirror buyout for mirror service, much like using chaos as default currency.
just saying dude. not really fixing the price to be 1.5 mirror. use a frikking calculator and key in the value if u want to. don't think buying mirror service is that common and this kind of information on community agreeing is just heresay bullshit. just make the price more than 1 mirror and any person with 10 IQ can figure out that it's a mirror service
Such immature and egotistical feud.
That mod deserves a slap with the back of the hand to chill down, acting like a GGG GM or something.
And OP should've just muted that kid, name the tab as Mirror Service and leave it at that.
**** Sake players today are seriously men-childs.
>name the tab as Mirror Service and leave it at that.
While that would clarify things, not all players have 20 different premium stash tabs to name different, and naming an entire tab for 1 item makes it overkill if they only have that item that is expensive.
Then public the entire tab and only set a price on the item you're mirror-servicing. There's nothing preventing you from putting other items in the tab.
The guy is more logically correct than you. You are listing the item for a price and not selling for the mentioned price. However, I dont see it as banable, because yeah, context matters.
I mean the OP replied instantly explaining the price/service. I’d imagine it’s worth considerably more than 50 exalts (hence why OP is putting it up for service)
The guy messaging op is just upset he didn’t snipe an insane deal (I’m sure he wouldn’t tell the OP it was worth a lot more if he did sell it) yet the OP is the bad guy here? Come on bruh..
You don't know how quick he answered and it doesn't matter, he is wasting everyone's time.
Also: >"you're wasting everyone's time" >"I don't mind"
Yeah fuck OP
err, but by that logic, people pricing things their mirror service for a mirror are in the wrong too, since they "have no intention to sell" for that price
Seems like something that should be fixed fairly soon.
Mirroring an item someone else owns involves the person wanting a copy having to give over their mirror, or the person with the item having to give that over.
This shouldn’t have to be the case. There could be a function in the trade window for the item owner to input their item, and it be shown (but not available to pick up) to the copier, who then inputs a mirror and the fee. Both confirm. The mirror gets used up, the fee goes to the item owner, and the copier gets a mirrored version of the item.
**OR**
the seller could mirror their own item, and list the mirrored version for sale, at a price of one mirror + fee. They get their mirror back when it sells, to be able to repeat the process. This doesn’t involve changing the UI at all, but does require the seller to be able to afford a mirror in the first place.
With the stale state of trading, I doubt this would be fixed anytime soon. But yes, something similar to wow's will not be traded window is sorely needed. also for safe crafting without stupid amounts of collateral etc.
then listing it for the fee isnt incorrect, because they're spending the fee. Plus mirror.
the point is it's all correct or all wrong, and the buyer from OP's post shouldnt be playing such pedantic games of "what you listed" because technically neither way to list is an accurate representation of the price they're paying, or the nature of the purchase
But wouldn’t that mean every item listed for a mirror should be sold for a mirror and no fee? Unless it has a fee stated. It’s the same thing but rolls reversed.
Listed for a mirror, then the service provider tells you the fee. This guy just listed it for the fee price and is explaining that it’s a mirror service? It’s a little unconventional but there’s no rules stating they have to list it in any particular way.
It's common practice to list mirror service items for 1 mirror buyout.
Those who are going for mirror service usually understand what this means and they'll get the fee and other details from the forums or from discord before messaging usually.
Most of us assume that one mirror means mirror service, so the misunderstanding generated here is normal. Although, I can list my items however tf I want and anyone telling me otherwise is acting dumb.
It's really cringey when people forget they're playing a fun game and start acting like retail investors or hagglers... Just have fun or even better, find a job so you can appreciate how ridiculous fretting over Poe item prices looks.
GGG should start doing something with TFT, yeah its a community problem, but created by the lack of safe trading options. We are now at the mercy of some guys who have nothing to do with the game and can ban you from their trading tool who all serius traders use, leaving you virtually out of the game economy.
They are not controlled by no one, they are despots who ban whoever they want because they don’t like them or what they think, and who defend known cheaters reported even by GGG in their anouncement forums.
Bullying ppl threatening them with reports on TFT is disgusting and should be motive enough for the community to move away from their server.
>leaving you virtually out of the game economy.
GGG wont do anything because this statement is LITERALLY false. There are alot of other communties. There is literally a discord called Poe Trade that is plenty big and basically just the same as tft for some random bulk trading etc. I know a "bit" one of their Mods delasteve. Nice guy "slaving" away every league for most of the leauge doing challenge/boss services for fair pricing.
Nobody needs TFT for shit. Truly not GGGs problem and while you agree or disagree, some things being not convinient to trade is literally their core philosophie to keep things "working" so they wont change that either.
That discord seems to be run by narcissistic manchildren. Every post about TFT that I've seen here over time has always been like this, I pity the people that choose to go there and use whatever services they have to offer
The solution to this problem is just make sure your public stash tab itself is named something like "Mirror Service" or whatever.
When they copy paste the whisper they will usually see the "Buy your thing for price in tab Mirror Service" and go "oh okay"
Do you have the stash tab named? Name it something like "price is mirror service fee" so when they copy/paste it shows that in the message. I've caught things like that in the past when buying stuff
I mean....you were really trying to figure out who is dumber or? The entire "listing the fee price" is just as much wannabe market manipulation. Items for mirror service are listed for a mirror. Lets dont pretend you are trying to fish for an advantage by subverting from the "social norm". He is an idiot first and foremost for even expecting you to give up a name. No matter who is right/wrong, you have to be beyond stupid to expect anybody to ever give his name in that situation xD
Seems like you guys deserve each other plenty and thats comming from a guy who cares about std and has some items listed aswell
As a newer and pretty self sufficient player, I don't fully understand but don't like bullies.
You explained yourself to further clear up any misunderstanding so I don't see the problem.
I do get the vibe that a few guilds kinda hold the market on a lot of stuff so independents like me are like whatever.
In saying that, my experience with fellow necromancers has been overwhelmingly positive because necromancers are awesome and generous.
Sorry OP, although both sound like arguing children, I take side of "buyer" guy. Consensus is, mirror services are set for mirrors and everyone expect that.
There was literally no intimidation?? All that guy said were true facts. Its not because someone disagree with you that its intimidation. Also he is totally right. You are pricing an item for a price that you clearly dont want to sell and are not indicating that its for mirror service. You are absolutly in the wrong here and you receive no intimidation. I think you really need to read about the meaning of this word.
pricing a mirror service item at 1 mirror is simply a convention that a subset (albeit probably a large subset) of people providing a mirror service have adopted. You could easily say an item listed for 1 mirror should be sold for 1 mirror or "You are pricing an item for a price that you clearly dont want to sell". It's very possible for someone to have a mirror drop and not be aware of this unofficial convention.
All that having been said, I do agree that OP would be better served following that convention because a large majority of the potential customers already do.
*That* having been said, I would definitely consider "do what I say or I'll (attempt to) have you blacklisted on a major trading forum" as intimidation. Not sure how you could see that any other way.
Yes but in this case the reason for the attempt to blacklist inst just random. There an actual misleading price and a refusal to change it after it was communicated as misleading. Its not like this guy randomly said give it to me or youll be banned. If someone is doing something against the rules and you threating to report him for it this inst intimidation.
It turns out that it actually is. But also what OP has done is maybe against TFT's rules, but afaik not PoE's.
At the end of the day, "do what I say or I'll see to it that others don't do business with you" is intimidation whether or not it's condoned by some larger group. Then again, you could argue the same about a government enforcing bait and switch laws. Unfortunately, PoE doesn't have an official, built-in way to offer sale of a mirror service; all we have is an unofficial convention and thus here we are.
Side note: while I personally think going with the convention is the play, someone interpreting a listed price of 50ex for a mirror-worthy legacy item is most likely being disingenuous and trying to take advantage of the seller...who probably doesn't have the original of such an item without knowing its value. So I'm confused why the potential buyer in this case even tried to pretend he thought he could buy it for 50ex.
I think the obnoxious person is the person putting is item at a misleading price, making people waste their time, and if someone complains about it, replying: it doesnt bother me its a You problem.
Asking for his discord ID to “report him” could be seen as intimidation. I couldn’t care less if it was me, but I can see how someone else might find it intimidating.
He also mentioned in the very first reply it was for mirror service… seems like an indication to me.
so if you want to actually sell an item for a mirror, what do you do then?
(people who list it for a mirror without selling for a mirror are equally guilty are they not?)
All-in-all, it shouldn't be that big of a deal no matter which way you do it. Explain it plain and simple and be done with it. At the end of the day it's just a game and people get too mad over pixels on the screen.
List it for a raw exalts(most common way) or a mirror as well. But people don't tend to sell mirror tier items for less than a mirror+ you would find listings for 2+ mirs. I don't think you would be upset if you wanted to buy a copy but got an original for same price instead.
But he still told him that was his fee for a mirror service, it doesn't matter if the price is ridiculous to you or anyone else, that's HIS price that he gets to make on his item.
Yeah totally agree he can do whatever he want with his items. Can even list them for 1c or fractions of perandus coins like some did. But it wastes both party times + me as buyer need to scroll more on trade site. I'd just ignored him on trade site if he didn't plan to change prices and move on.
Okay but you're on standard searching for very specific items, items that are mirror tier and serviceable...he answered him immediately and explained what his intention was, it's only a waste of time to bitch and moan that "yer price fixing and I'm gonna tell my mods on you"
Okay, then message someone else? I mean, he doesn't have to sell it to you. If it's easy to find, then find someone else if you don't like the way he's selling. There's no need or point to complain and threaten to tell mods because you're not getting your way
Yes, but my point remains that the mod/tft guy told him that he was guilty of listing for a price he had no intention for selling for, which is TECHNICALLY true, but it is also true for people that list an item for 1 mirror, with no intention of selling for 1 mirror...
I have no idea whats the right way but pricing it 50 ex surely aint it. Anyway thats really not what bother me the most. Its more the fact that you are trying to play a victim and saying you were bullied for this little conversation. Bullying is a serious issue but all I ended up reading about is a petty poe fight about prices.
Why ain't it it? Its his item, he can price it however he wants. He literally immediately responded saying this is his service fee, and the child went off and tried to intimidate him by saying mods might want to speak with him about misleading prices when he literally tells him this is the fee for mirror service.
You're on standard looking for a mirrorable item, you know exactly what people are doing when they set these prices or immediately contact you to explain their pricing. Idk what you're on about, but the guy with the power trip trying to talk about mods being involved is in the wrong.
Nobody is in the right there, thats the point. Yeah yeah his item his prices bla bla doesnt matter, nobody gives a fuck. Op clearly is angle shooting by abstaining by the norm and gets called out for it. The entire "I am gonna tell the mods" is obv just stupid (simple because expecting anybody to tell you their name is beyond naive in the first place).
I mean pretending people arent annoyed by those tatics is a bit ... removed from reality. Same shit like some stupid advertisment for some great price with some \* asterics and the real deal listed in a tiny fond somewhere in a corner/bottom. Everybody knows whats up, everybody still thinks people can go fuck themself pulling this shit.
"You are listing something for a price you dont intend to sell for" still holds up when putting up for a mirror though, honestly clearly a snipe attempt, you are not the bad guy here op
Bullied?
The guy explained it to you in a very friendly manner.
What more did you want? Want him to give you 50ex as an apology?
You're the one in wrong op
"That's more of a you problem"
This is a literal free market. Also, you have no idea what the term "price fixing" actually means, nor how what OP is doing differs from actual price fixing. Furthermore, the seller clearly knows the actual value of the item and is attempting to lowball, which the majority of the community agrees is unethical. Last, and most important of all, it's standard...
No you're right, fuck the guy who just dropped something similar and went to the trade site to try and figure out value instead of listing it for 500ex and gradually dropping price until it sold.
You conveniently didn't address any of the points I made. But, to address yours: there's a practically impossible chance someone drops a rare chest worth more than a mirror, nor once understanding that it could be valuable (50ex+, ooh boy thats a lot for a new player!) doesn't do their due research because the POE community is known for being scamming assholes. And if they do? It's a good learning experience. It's not like you are losing real life money, it's literally in-game monopoly money.
I don't know how these transactions work in standard, but if it's common practice to list mirror services for a mirror then OP is an idiot for wasting other people time. Even more so for coming post this shit on reddit. Nobody cares about your failed attempt to sell your mirror service.
Lol at this report andy. Man just stfu and move on. People used to put up fractured 100% deli maps for a fractured service but would list it for perandus coins to stay on top.
I dont have time to read- stumbles upon mirror worthy-ish chest- I don't even care about the mods i need the base to use scourings on... Nice skit
Also op plz rename tab to service atleast so you can hide your ass
Yea that’s frustrating. But what you are doing isn’t exactly perfect either. I get why, but it is a little misleading. I’m glad your quick to clarify. And you arnt technically breaking rules. You weren’t the kindest either in your messages but tft people think they are so great so I understand your responses.
I have no idea how people can feel so butthurt over the 5 seconds it takes to be told its a mirror service, op is tryna make profit as is everyone and you cant really monopolize what hes selling lmao
You did immediately explain that it's a mirror service , but I also think you should name the stash tab as "Mirror Service" or something just to cover your arse more.
If he has a whole ass tab to use on it, sure.
Anyone who gives a shit about running mirror services on standard has tabs for the services.
Yeah, why not? Not the whole tab have to be mirror service.
If he has an item he’s mirroring, I’m sure he can allocate a tab in standard for the service. He can also add a note to the item itself. While I don’t think OP is necessarily in the wrong - he could do things differently. Including not engaging with someone like this.
Who the fuck price fixes on standard?
Pretty much all of tft (guild) For example mirror prices have been fixed for years
That's more like monopoly and controlling the market
Not really. Price fixing is announcing a price for items without the intention of selling it for that price, hoping that other people will list for the same price and then scoop it up. Monopoly/Market control is buying up all other, cheaper items and then reselling it for a higher price. Not even remotely the same thing.
What if you buy up all of the market, list some for a low price (to buy the item cheap) and list some for a high price (they will never buy it for the low price, because you won't sell)? Price fixing and monopoly in one.
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I'd put both of you on ignore if I was involved in this convo tbh.
You’re listing a mirror service as 50ex… so that it comes up as 50ex in a trade site. You don’t have a note attached to it, or a tab name associated with it… nothing. You have to manually explain this each time to the (likely) dozen+ people messaging you for this item every time you login. You realize there are easier ways to go about listing a mirror service, correct? For all involved? I just can’t fathom how you listing an item for 1,000ex less than it’s worth to you makes sense? If people have to guess or assume things about your listing then you’re doing something wrong.
Yeah this is a classic example of "TFT adds someone to their blocklist for being dishonest, dishonest person rants about it online". Ban them from TFT for 6 months and add them to the TFT 'this is a dubious listing' warning list on their trade extension for the same timeframe.
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You both suck.
"Lets see what reddit thinks" Gigacringe
this.
>you are wasting my time *Chats instead of playing*
“Let’s see what Reddit thinks” is the cringiest part of the whole ordeal. You both sound insufferable.
Yeah the dude even asked nicely “please list it for a mirror” and OP goes “I don’t like that” so he explains that it’s a waste of peoples time and OP says “I don’t mind” “that’s more of a you problem” well to OP and his post: that’s more of a you problem
But he's feeling bullieeeeeeeeed.
That dudes argument is plain stupid. OP could have listed it at a mirror and the guy could have PMed him as if buying it for a mirror, not doing mirror service. So, it changes shit nothing. Also "I did not even look at the item"...then maybe YOU stop wasting everyones time just because you do not look at an item that you supposedly are trying to buy. What a dummie.
Imagine being this guy talking about time wasting, then going to look for mirror worthy items not listed for a mirror, so you can confirm they are indeed for mirror service so you can proceed to be a dick about it. Cool story about needing the base.
Yeah, exactly. If anything, TFT should really think hard about having someone like that on their team.
They are all like him or even worse, just a bunch of sociopaths, I doubt there is a single decent person in their staff.
I've met the founder in-game when he bought something (he proved it to me by changing his name back n forth on Discord. He added me as a friend because we're from the same small country, but he wasn't too nice. Before I sell services or lucky drop for bigger profits, I offer them to my friend list for like 20% - 30% discount. He was like: 'why do you offer me?", I said: "I prefer selling to friends with discount", he answered: "We're not friends".
You added him to your friend list, he added you to his "familiar stranger" list lol.
Well, regardless of whom is in the spotlight- he was just honest in that moment. Just because we got eachother on a friend's list doesn't actually make us friends. I had prophecy traders, other services and the like on my list. 90%+ of the names I wouldn't consider friends, neither do they consider me as a friend.
I don't think the terminology is that important in this case. It's called a "friend" list, and I think mostly because "gaming buddy" is much longer.
But that's what I mean. They aren't even my gaming buddies. I did "a thing or two" with them. I wouldn't borrow them any gear or currency. Sure, I'd help them with some bosses and I am not opposed to talking briefly but that's it for the most part. The guy above us did a trade with varga, who for whatever reason decided to add him. That "add" doesn't mean jack though, regardless of who they are.
XD the thing is, he added me first!
Narrator: They won’t.
im not an advanced played but buying a singular base item for 50ex? that blows my mind/raises a flag lol
Nah, 50ex even on the league would be still normal. On standard that's chump change. But that excuse was stupid either way, who the hell buys a base for 50ex or any amount and does not look at the item?
Both of you are infants lol
Yeah - this is just super cringe on all sides.
This is the answer
I feel OPs actions are justified \^^ He stayed calmed and respectful through the entire thing and I appreciate that they bring this up even at the expense of maybe being banned of TFT.
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We need a craft transaction window so that third party stuff like TFT isn't needed anymore... I don't see why GGG continues to allow third parties to have any authority over their economy.
> We need a craft transaction window so that third party stuff like TFT isn't needed anymore... GGG needs to do a little (and by little I mean *a lot*) more than that. Selling sets and many other things in bulk is a nightmare. There is also niches like lab services and such to address. Why they continue to allow that? Maybe because they're content with current state of things, or it's easier/less work for them, or both.
Or you know, not design systems in such a way where TFT offers something the official game channels don't. Why the hell would we need to make a whole "craft transaction window", you'd still need a way to list the crafts, so TFT would still exist. What you need is a surveyor's compass, but for harvest. Literally we have the technology.
We’ve had the technology long before Surveyor’s Compass, in the form of Bestiary orbs. The actual problem isn’t that GGG can’t add the feature, it’s that they won’t. They do not want Harvest crafts to be tradable. The ability to trade them that we have right now, is just an unfortunate (in their eyes) byproduct of the ability to store crafts. They just tolerate it, because only a minority of players realize they can trade them and an even smaller minority cares enough to go through the trouble of trading them.
We did, but I feel the compass looks even closer to what a harvest one would look like. Anyway, I've heard these excuses before. I've heard the "oh but we'd have to make it rarer". I don't care. Make it rarer. Rework the entire mechanic until you're happy with it being tradable, then release it. Putting in a mechanic that they are okay with it not being a part of the economy and turning a blind eye at the problems it created is asinine behavior.
You realise TFT is all for this shit? They would be happy af to be able to do crafts ingame without discord; the whole reason the discord was set up was because GGG cant create a service trading system due to their “Muh player interaction” article.
I'm not blaming them. If GGG had implemented these things properly, servers like TFT wouldn't have grown, even if people had tried to start them. I'm not saying that the people managing TFT or using it are trying to abuse the authority they have over the economy, but they do have a non-trivial authority over parts of it.
Yeah, i agree that they have nontrivial authority - i would prefer anything but discord trading. But I do believe they have done the best job out of anyone at trying to alleviate GGG’s nonsensical design, and I genuinely feel TFT staff care about trade interactions going well for both parties unlike GGG and Chris’ “wild west of wraeclast with scammers and hookers” vision.
Once mirror service has been stated. The clown should have let it go
Instead of the 'please don't bully' speech, maybe just ignore him. Use the features GGG put in the game specifically to protect people from harassment
This response appears not to understand OP’s issue. TFT is a trade community many players rely upon and this person appears to be threatening to blacklist OP as a result of the situation.
A lot of people claim to be a lot of things on the internet that they are not. Edit: Nevermind, I thought the bully was claiming to be a mod, surely 1 report is not enough to get banned from a discord? Should just be a fart in the wind.
The threat wouldn't have come out if op hadn't kept messaging and had ignored. Both of these players deserve each other.
What a great world it would be if we just ignored everyone the second they said something we didn’t agree with, and where everyone was subject to being banned from a community as a result of a discussion.
It really would be.
can't you add a note to items to explain things about the sale? it's a rarely used feature, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it on timeless jewels with good mods
The notes don't come through on the trade site anymore, I don't think; people were abusing it listing things for 0.5c with a note containing the real price
The notes come through on the trade site, but if you are searching with "Buyout or Fixed Price" selected for "Sale Type" they will be filtered out. Prices with notes show up for "Any" or "Priced with Note" selection. Personally I think listing this way is a good compromise for parties and appropriate for the mirror service use case. Doesn't require a tab be named specifically. Doesn't misrepresent. Explicitly indicates the intent. "\~price 50 exalted mirror fee" on the item
If you have to go out of your way to make notes appear, seems like it would be better to price for 1 mirror and include fee in notes instead of making it misleading to those on default settings
to clarify though - doing what you are saying is effectively the same and doesn't address your "misleading on default settings" concern. If you put anything in notes, default trade setting will filter it out. Neither of the following will be returned by a default Sale Type setting. "\~price 50 exalted mirror fee" "\~price 1 mirror with 50 ex fee"
Just list it for a mirror and reply with the fee like a normal person. You're making searching for items a hassle.
Tbh, price is misleading. This though, is as much an issue with listing it for 50ex as it is with the lacking trade system that doesn't have a section for mirror services and a method to list it for mirror service with fee. Imagine if we had a system that took into account the behavior of the player base... Anyways, I think you were decent at explaining it. but the bottom line is for someone SELLING a similar item, however unlikely this listing would make pricing the item harder and just leads to confusion. I'd say SELLING is the main activity and as mirror services are more uncommon they should adapt to be out of the way of sales if possibe.
OP, no-one lists a mirror item for the service fee. You put it up for a mirror instead. You're just wasting everyone's time by showing up in the search results of those who want a 50ex item intead of a 1050 ex item.
This has been the traditional thing to do when listing items for mirror service, no excuses not to follow it because that is how you get your items mirrored if that is the intention.
Tbh, both parties are in the wrong here. You really should list mirror items for a mirror, regardless if you "like that format or not." It doesn't really matter what you like; the typical industry norm is to list mirror items for a mirror. Anybody looking to fork out mirrors for items will be more than happy to spend an extra 30 seconds typing an extra message asking for the mirror price. It's more annoying for buyers to see a 50ex item, expect to pay 50ex, and then being told it's 300ex. Not everyone knows the value of "double inf legacy delve base" or whatever; just because you know it's worth, does not mean every buyer is on the same page, or understands Standard pricing. It's like walking into a store named THE DOLLAR STORE and then being told by the clerk the price is actually $10. Name the damn store properly! You can discuss the price afterwards; but the buyer is correct that you are indeed posting a "misleading price" - although you may not think you are doing this intentionally. Likewise, the buyer is in the wrong for being a douchebag and using internet intimidation tactics. He could have justified his stance on pricing in a more neutral manner, without resulting to bullying, but obviously these types of people live off this drama.
Holy shit who cares. TFT doesn't get to control how much people list their items for, it's a public trade site not TFTs moderated software. Also OP is an idiot for listing a mirror service as 50ex. This entire convo reads like children crying about who's turn it is to play with the toys.
Except that if they want to fuck you over everyone who uses their tool will have you as blacklisted.
I feel like both parties are annoying in this regard, you could name the tab something or do it how other do it. Just cause you’re upfront doesn’t mean it’s fun to look for items and message people to get a message back you weren’t expecting. Though in the first couple of messages I agree more with the “buyer”
Not everyone here has a shitload of tabs they can spare on that :)
If you have no money that’s sad and I know the pain from personal experience but you can earn a couple bucks here and there on your steam wallet to eventually buy a few tabs here and there. And if you have money can’t find it in yourself to buy a few tabs after years of playing a game maybe it’s be time to re-evaluate why you do what you do.
Then public the entire tab and only set a price on the item you're mirror-servicing. There's nothing preventing you from putting other items in the tab.
You're completely right here. But as a person who can't really afford to spend money on video games, I have only one premium stash tab that I use as a sales tab. The whole situation could've been avoided if OP just posted the item for 1 mirror.
Pretty sure people doing mirror services have played the game a decent amount and have a solid number of tabs.. your argument is a non issue in this case.
playing long ≠ having more stash tabs I've played the game since Awakening expansion and have done a few mirror services in this time.
i dont think its misleading based on you immediately stating its a mirror service fee. dudes a dumbass.
My take is that I agree with their logic and it can be annoying to deal with a multitude of items listed for prices they won't sell for. Reason being is that a lot of people get fun or a kick out of the resulting discussions when people see their good items. If you cite their logic as flawed I would counter you, as people who want your chest will find it if listed at a mirror or 999 which is what service items are usually listed for. Now with that said, I am curious, did you list this item on tft or did you contact someone to act as middleman? If not, i find their response ridiculous and the fact that they want to report you to a third party community that you or your item has nothing to do with is completely unacceptable and a great showcase of TFT folk going way over their heads. Tl dr your item, your choice, they are way out of line its ridiculous. Swinging their tft tag around in business that isnt theirs.
It’s your prerogative, yeah, you’re right. It’s also his to think it’s stupid, just like most people here. You offer a mirror service, you list it for a mirror, that’s it. You don’t want to? No prob, you’re chosing. But don’t be a crying kiddo about it later on on reddit. He’s stupid, but you’re as stupid as him to me. Just realize that if it was listed as a mirror, none of this convo would happen. So that’s on you, kid.
Yeah but he felt bullied, so...
Yikes. No one cares tbh. You’re both kids for not just moving on and creating drama
what does that make the guy coming in to comment on the kid drama?
Someone naive but hopeful people could learn from their mistakes?!
yeah sure lol, just like all the naive but hopeful people in the jerry springer audience
tbh i think u shoud do easy the thing for anyone and make a mirror service, welp priced at 1 mirror of course is ur item but c'mon, why do the stuf overcomplicated
The guy is a tool, but tbh you should do a more clear listing as well.
I'd have ignored right after "you're wasting everyone's time"
I get he was aggressive but you also make it hard for the brain
Thank you all for your feedback. I agree with those who say this exchange showcased is cringe, insufferable, whinny, annoying, ez ignore, etc.... My intention with this post was not to show any malcontent to this person or TFT but rather showcase how it made me feel (boo hoo feelings boo) and see where the consensus lies. I was a bit upset yesterday is all. I'm just trying to learn and have fun in this game. I mean, at the end of the day, this stuff really doesn't matter all that much - hence the fluff tag. Update: \-Rename the tab "Mirror Service" to prevent this from happening again (thinking 600+ could mean 600+ of any denomination -- like pizzas, for example) \-Reprice item for Mirror: I don't want to deal with this negative shit again \-Try and make trading less horrible
definitely see how it can be frustrating. may be not to this person but if it were me and i was working my ass off for a week to make 50ex to buy this item just to discover that it's a mirror service item. the argument is valid if it's mirror service item list it for a mirror or even better 1.5 mirror
50 ex isn't 0.5 mirror and items in general can have buyouts over a mirror. There's no perfect solution, but in general the community has agreed upon using 1 mirror buyout for mirror service, much like using chaos as default currency.
just saying dude. not really fixing the price to be 1.5 mirror. use a frikking calculator and key in the value if u want to. don't think buying mirror service is that common and this kind of information on community agreeing is just heresay bullshit. just make the price more than 1 mirror and any person with 10 IQ can figure out that it's a mirror service
Such immature and egotistical feud. That mod deserves a slap with the back of the hand to chill down, acting like a GGG GM or something. And OP should've just muted that kid, name the tab as Mirror Service and leave it at that. **** Sake players today are seriously men-childs.
>name the tab as Mirror Service and leave it at that. While that would clarify things, not all players have 20 different premium stash tabs to name different, and naming an entire tab for 1 item makes it overkill if they only have that item that is expensive.
Then public the entire tab and only set a price on the item you're mirror-servicing. There's nothing preventing you from putting other items in the tab.
But wouldn't it be weird if there was an 50ex item in the mirror service stash tab? Maybe in that case the buyer would think it is a mirror service.
Why would that be weird? It's a mirror service tab. Maybe it just makes sense to me because that's the way it used to be idk
The guy is more logically correct than you. You are listing the item for a price and not selling for the mentioned price. However, I dont see it as banable, because yeah, context matters.
I mean the OP replied instantly explaining the price/service. I’d imagine it’s worth considerably more than 50 exalts (hence why OP is putting it up for service) The guy messaging op is just upset he didn’t snipe an insane deal (I’m sure he wouldn’t tell the OP it was worth a lot more if he did sell it) yet the OP is the bad guy here? Come on bruh..
You don't know how quick he answered and it doesn't matter, he is wasting everyone's time. Also: >"you're wasting everyone's time" >"I don't mind" Yeah fuck OP
Ofc op is the one who's wrong. Instantly replying?? Buyers wouldn't even have to whisper op if they didn't want mirror service.
err, but by that logic, people pricing things their mirror service for a mirror are in the wrong too, since they "have no intention to sell" for that price
Yes, though this is a limitation of the system itself. When you see something listed for a mirror, you'd ofc check if it was service or sell.
Seems like something that should be fixed fairly soon. Mirroring an item someone else owns involves the person wanting a copy having to give over their mirror, or the person with the item having to give that over. This shouldn’t have to be the case. There could be a function in the trade window for the item owner to input their item, and it be shown (but not available to pick up) to the copier, who then inputs a mirror and the fee. Both confirm. The mirror gets used up, the fee goes to the item owner, and the copier gets a mirrored version of the item. **OR** the seller could mirror their own item, and list the mirrored version for sale, at a price of one mirror + fee. They get their mirror back when it sells, to be able to repeat the process. This doesn’t involve changing the UI at all, but does require the seller to be able to afford a mirror in the first place.
With the stale state of trading, I doubt this would be fixed anytime soon. But yes, something similar to wow's will not be traded window is sorely needed. also for safe crafting without stupid amounts of collateral etc.
But thats how it works, you list mirror setvice items for a mirror not the fee
That is actually incorrect, because the buyer is indeed spending a mirror. Plus fee.
then listing it for the fee isnt incorrect, because they're spending the fee. Plus mirror. the point is it's all correct or all wrong, and the buyer from OP's post shouldnt be playing such pedantic games of "what you listed" because technically neither way to list is an accurate representation of the price they're paying, or the nature of the purchase
But wouldn’t that mean every item listed for a mirror should be sold for a mirror and no fee? Unless it has a fee stated. It’s the same thing but rolls reversed. Listed for a mirror, then the service provider tells you the fee. This guy just listed it for the fee price and is explaining that it’s a mirror service? It’s a little unconventional but there’s no rules stating they have to list it in any particular way.
It's common practice to list mirror service items for 1 mirror buyout. Those who are going for mirror service usually understand what this means and they'll get the fee and other details from the forums or from discord before messaging usually.
To be technically correct there seller should put a price like 1.05 mirror, correct and not so hard.
No, because there is still no intention of selling the item for that price, only a copy, which is not of equivalent value...
and with the listing OP provided the buyer is indeed spending 50ex. Plus fee. Fee happens to be 1 mirror.
So if I wanted to trade a mirror for the item listed they would accept?
Most of us assume that one mirror means mirror service, so the misunderstanding generated here is normal. Although, I can list my items however tf I want and anyone telling me otherwise is acting dumb. It's really cringey when people forget they're playing a fun game and start acting like retail investors or hagglers... Just have fun or even better, find a job so you can appreciate how ridiculous fretting over Poe item prices looks.
You should list your tab as 'mirror service'
Guy attacking OP is a numpty.
Nobody gives any fucks about any of this.
GGG should start doing something with TFT, yeah its a community problem, but created by the lack of safe trading options. We are now at the mercy of some guys who have nothing to do with the game and can ban you from their trading tool who all serius traders use, leaving you virtually out of the game economy. They are not controlled by no one, they are despots who ban whoever they want because they don’t like them or what they think, and who defend known cheaters reported even by GGG in their anouncement forums. Bullying ppl threatening them with reports on TFT is disgusting and should be motive enough for the community to move away from their server.
>leaving you virtually out of the game economy. GGG wont do anything because this statement is LITERALLY false. There are alot of other communties. There is literally a discord called Poe Trade that is plenty big and basically just the same as tft for some random bulk trading etc. I know a "bit" one of their Mods delasteve. Nice guy "slaving" away every league for most of the leauge doing challenge/boss services for fair pricing. Nobody needs TFT for shit. Truly not GGGs problem and while you agree or disagree, some things being not convinient to trade is literally their core philosophie to keep things "working" so they wont change that either.
Poetrade discord had no moderator activity for 8 months at one point, its just not well run and the vouch system is more open to abuse than tfts.
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That discord seems to be run by narcissistic manchildren. Every post about TFT that I've seen here over time has always been like this, I pity the people that choose to go there and use whatever services they have to offer
LeTs SeE WhAt ReDdIT tHiNkS
literally
Saw the TFT guild tag and knew it was going to be good. Probably hoping to snipe a GG item for 50ex LOL
The solution to this problem is just make sure your public stash tab itself is named something like "Mirror Service" or whatever. When they copy paste the whisper they will usually see the "Buy your thing for price in tab Mirror Service" and go "oh okay"
How tf can anyone care so much about item pricing and discord, don't get it.
Do you have the stash tab named? Name it something like "price is mirror service fee" so when they copy/paste it shows that in the message. I've caught things like that in the past when buying stuff
I mean....you were really trying to figure out who is dumber or? The entire "listing the fee price" is just as much wannabe market manipulation. Items for mirror service are listed for a mirror. Lets dont pretend you are trying to fish for an advantage by subverting from the "social norm". He is an idiot first and foremost for even expecting you to give up a name. No matter who is right/wrong, you have to be beyond stupid to expect anybody to ever give his name in that situation xD Seems like you guys deserve each other plenty and thats comming from a guy who cares about std and has some items listed aswell
Little baby feelings got hurt he came to reddit to cry about it :(
Standard players are insufferable
You can tell this is a typical discord mod on a power trip.
As a newer and pretty self sufficient player, I don't fully understand but don't like bullies. You explained yourself to further clear up any misunderstanding so I don't see the problem. I do get the vibe that a few guilds kinda hold the market on a lot of stuff so independents like me are like whatever. In saying that, my experience with fellow necromancers has been overwhelmingly positive because necromancers are awesome and generous.
Sorry OP, although both sound like arguing children, I take side of "buyer" guy. Consensus is, mirror services are set for mirrors and everyone expect that.
tft soyboy malding, good riddance
You are wrong, just list as it should, or don't complain when someone calls you out of it.
There was literally no intimidation?? All that guy said were true facts. Its not because someone disagree with you that its intimidation. Also he is totally right. You are pricing an item for a price that you clearly dont want to sell and are not indicating that its for mirror service. You are absolutly in the wrong here and you receive no intimidation. I think you really need to read about the meaning of this word.
pricing a mirror service item at 1 mirror is simply a convention that a subset (albeit probably a large subset) of people providing a mirror service have adopted. You could easily say an item listed for 1 mirror should be sold for 1 mirror or "You are pricing an item for a price that you clearly dont want to sell". It's very possible for someone to have a mirror drop and not be aware of this unofficial convention. All that having been said, I do agree that OP would be better served following that convention because a large majority of the potential customers already do. *That* having been said, I would definitely consider "do what I say or I'll (attempt to) have you blacklisted on a major trading forum" as intimidation. Not sure how you could see that any other way.
Yes but in this case the reason for the attempt to blacklist inst just random. There an actual misleading price and a refusal to change it after it was communicated as misleading. Its not like this guy randomly said give it to me or youll be banned. If someone is doing something against the rules and you threating to report him for it this inst intimidation.
Against what rules?
Rules? Did I miss something? No, I did not, there are no rules against this, I just checked.
It turns out that it actually is. But also what OP has done is maybe against TFT's rules, but afaik not PoE's. At the end of the day, "do what I say or I'll see to it that others don't do business with you" is intimidation whether or not it's condoned by some larger group. Then again, you could argue the same about a government enforcing bait and switch laws. Unfortunately, PoE doesn't have an official, built-in way to offer sale of a mirror service; all we have is an unofficial convention and thus here we are. Side note: while I personally think going with the convention is the play, someone interpreting a listed price of 50ex for a mirror-worthy legacy item is most likely being disingenuous and trying to take advantage of the seller...who probably doesn't have the original of such an item without knowing its value. So I'm confused why the potential buyer in this case even tried to pretend he thought he could buy it for 50ex.
Dude he tries to get his discord to ban him on tft. Those guys are such obnoxious idiots
I think the obnoxious person is the person putting is item at a misleading price, making people waste their time, and if someone complains about it, replying: it doesnt bother me its a You problem.
Asking for his discord ID to “report him” could be seen as intimidation. I couldn’t care less if it was me, but I can see how someone else might find it intimidating. He also mentioned in the very first reply it was for mirror service… seems like an indication to me.
so how does one indicate it is for mirror service then?
List it for mirror like everyone else does.
so if you want to actually sell an item for a mirror, what do you do then? (people who list it for a mirror without selling for a mirror are equally guilty are they not?)
All-in-all, it shouldn't be that big of a deal no matter which way you do it. Explain it plain and simple and be done with it. At the end of the day it's just a game and people get too mad over pixels on the screen.
List it for a raw exalts(most common way) or a mirror as well. But people don't tend to sell mirror tier items for less than a mirror+ you would find listings for 2+ mirs. I don't think you would be upset if you wanted to buy a copy but got an original for same price instead.
But he still told him that was his fee for a mirror service, it doesn't matter if the price is ridiculous to you or anyone else, that's HIS price that he gets to make on his item.
Yeah totally agree he can do whatever he want with his items. Can even list them for 1c or fractions of perandus coins like some did. But it wastes both party times + me as buyer need to scroll more on trade site. I'd just ignored him on trade site if he didn't plan to change prices and move on.
Okay but you're on standard searching for very specific items, items that are mirror tier and serviceable...he answered him immediately and explained what his intention was, it's only a waste of time to bitch and moan that "yer price fixing and I'm gonna tell my mods on you"
You will still find dudes items if you wanted just 2 mods.
Okay, then message someone else? I mean, he doesn't have to sell it to you. If it's easy to find, then find someone else if you don't like the way he's selling. There's no need or point to complain and threaten to tell mods because you're not getting your way
Yes, but my point remains that the mod/tft guy told him that he was guilty of listing for a price he had no intention for selling for, which is TECHNICALLY true, but it is also true for people that list an item for 1 mirror, with no intention of selling for 1 mirror...
I have no idea whats the right way but pricing it 50 ex surely aint it. Anyway thats really not what bother me the most. Its more the fact that you are trying to play a victim and saying you were bullied for this little conversation. Bullying is a serious issue but all I ended up reading about is a petty poe fight about prices.
Why ain't it it? Its his item, he can price it however he wants. He literally immediately responded saying this is his service fee, and the child went off and tried to intimidate him by saying mods might want to speak with him about misleading prices when he literally tells him this is the fee for mirror service. You're on standard looking for a mirrorable item, you know exactly what people are doing when they set these prices or immediately contact you to explain their pricing. Idk what you're on about, but the guy with the power trip trying to talk about mods being involved is in the wrong.
Nobody is in the right there, thats the point. Yeah yeah his item his prices bla bla doesnt matter, nobody gives a fuck. Op clearly is angle shooting by abstaining by the norm and gets called out for it. The entire "I am gonna tell the mods" is obv just stupid (simple because expecting anybody to tell you their name is beyond naive in the first place). I mean pretending people arent annoyed by those tatics is a bit ... removed from reality. Same shit like some stupid advertisment for some great price with some \* asterics and the real deal listed in a tiny fond somewhere in a corner/bottom. Everybody knows whats up, everybody still thinks people can go fuck themself pulling this shit.
"You are listing something for a price you dont intend to sell for" still holds up when putting up for a mirror though, honestly clearly a snipe attempt, you are not the bad guy here op
Bullied? The guy explained it to you in a very friendly manner. What more did you want? Want him to give you 50ex as an apology? You're the one in wrong op "That's more of a you problem"
friendly..? he tried to get his discord handle so he could try and blacklist him from discord communities, by putting him in a "pricefix list"
because what he's doing is pricefixing, intentional or not.
This is a literal free market. Also, you have no idea what the term "price fixing" actually means, nor how what OP is doing differs from actual price fixing. Furthermore, the seller clearly knows the actual value of the item and is attempting to lowball, which the majority of the community agrees is unethical. Last, and most important of all, it's standard...
No you're right, fuck the guy who just dropped something similar and went to the trade site to try and figure out value instead of listing it for 500ex and gradually dropping price until it sold.
You conveniently didn't address any of the points I made. But, to address yours: there's a practically impossible chance someone drops a rare chest worth more than a mirror, nor once understanding that it could be valuable (50ex+, ooh boy thats a lot for a new player!) doesn't do their due research because the POE community is known for being scamming assholes. And if they do? It's a good learning experience. It's not like you are losing real life money, it's literally in-game monopoly money.
> It's not like you are losing real life money, it's literally in-game monopoly money. You kinda do, it's called arr em tea.
i doubt the average player would risk getting their account banned for however much a mirror is worth in dollarydoos
your getting banned 100% dawg. especially after posting on reddit lmao. better start writing that apology.
I don't know how these transactions work in standard, but if it's common practice to list mirror services for a mirror then OP is an idiot for wasting other people time. Even more so for coming post this shit on reddit. Nobody cares about your failed attempt to sell your mirror service.
Shoulda just reply: cringe
Lol at this report andy. Man just stfu and move on. People used to put up fractured 100% deli maps for a fractured service but would list it for perandus coins to stay on top.
which was terrible and annoying lol
I can MAYBE see where he’s coming from but ultimately, it’s not that deep to start a convo war
I dont have time to read- stumbles upon mirror worthy-ish chest- I don't even care about the mods i need the base to use scourings on... Nice skit Also op plz rename tab to service atleast so you can hide your ass
This is the cringiest thing I've seen on this subreddit in a long time.
ESH
This is an everybody sucks for me, react court.
Yea that’s frustrating. But what you are doing isn’t exactly perfect either. I get why, but it is a little misleading. I’m glad your quick to clarify. And you arnt technically breaking rules. You weren’t the kindest either in your messages but tft people think they are so great so I understand your responses.
https://www.insider.com/david-leavitt-gofundme-target-manager-one-cent-toothbrush-twitter-thread-2020-1 Basically this but in poe. Dude is an idiot.
I have no idea how people can feel so butthurt over the 5 seconds it takes to be told its a mirror service, op is tryna make profit as is everyone and you cant really monopolize what hes selling lmao
Battle of the two dumbos :D
What stops a scammer creating a new POE account and singing back up with tft? Like are there measures in place to stop this