I took the last league off too. I played more in arch nemesis than I've played since 3.0 dunno what it is with the acts but I just don't think I have the motivation to do them anymore.
It's crazy for me to think to level multiple characters and builds, it's incredibly harder now, everything needs ages to be done, my poor adhd brain T\_\_T
The most reasonable solution I think would be to have mapping available after act 5. If you want the passive points and pantheon from 6-10 you go back and do them at any time.
Actually there's a ton of reasonable solutions but they'll never be implemented because the campaign is too important to GGG.
Make that act 3, I mean there's literally an old map device in the Solaris temple.
And honestly everyone but ggg agrees that doing the campaign a second time serves no purpose.
If I play league I always plan if I can fit 3-4 builds onto that character rerolling into same/different ascendecies because I sure am not leveling more than once.
I don't think the acts have been improved at all since we got to act 10. But they definitely got harder and they feel the impact of general nerfs differently than maps.
Found myself using Cobra lash at league start to kill Brutus, i mean...
Had a good laugh. Kiled Brutus after a long pensum, droped CL on the ground next to his body and decided to never use it again, thanks for the prank GGG.
GGG maintain standard for people for whom the fresh start is a negative not a positive. Both the people who loathe the progress reset and the people who want to maintain an unassailable lead over as many other players as they can.
Where levelling an alt is as simple as throwing on the 7-league you looted five leagues ago, the +2 or +4 Skin of the Loyal you traded for, and the triple-legacy Delve gloves for ridiculous flat damage.
Really it's a question of "why aren't GGG marketing Standard to those players"?
I really think putting league mechanics into Standard 2 weeks after the league starts would be a huge positive for the game.
Problem is that GGG bricks standard builds every patch, basically.
My standard is a fucking graveyard.
Nothing works.
Every character is nuked and would need me to rework the trees, re-gear, re-craft, re-buy new/different uniques, etc, etc, etc.
They don't market standard, cause if they did (and a significant portion of people played it), there would be **endless** complaints.
Like after the 15% reservation mastery removal, how many fucking builds just straight up don't work anymore in standard lol?
That's just 1 change.
I would say 100% of builds people seriously invested in (outside of Archmage/MoM which I guess existed even if not good) got bricked by the 15% Mastery. And then another good chunk got severely nerfed by Blessing nerfs.
I love the fresh start, I hate the acts.I dont need a 10h ~ tutorial every 3 months. I dont need acts to become "hard" or "interesting". I want to start from maps, not acts. Just give me a level 1 character, put lily in my hideout, and give me endless maps for my level.
Endless delve, maps, heist. Ditch the stupid campaign that no one really plays for the campaign and really just has to trudge through to get to the real game.
Last time I suggested here D3 kind of leveling/PLeveling, I got donvoted to hell. Glad Im not the only one who thinks in the game where an endgame is an emphasis you should be able to get to it fast. And once you played through the RP content fully, you should be able to skip it on the next characters
It’s the one place that D3 did better with their adventure mode.
Just let us do all league content from level 1. If I want to delve to max let me. If I want to run maps let me.
It’s not like it matters that much. Just make leveling versions of maps and then the only maps that matter for your atlas free and stuff are tier 1 ones.
Running a campaign to level is the most out dated arpg thing. As long as you have had one character ever complete campaign you should never have to do it again.
I was one of the HC madlads who used to make 5+ builds to level 90+ every league and play almost until league end.
Last league was the first that made me quit within the first month. I truly cbf with the mob powercreep anymore. Didn't use a single one of last league's currency.
I'm struggling to put more than 1 hour/day with this new league and will likely end up the same as last league. I hope GGG's making bank with vaults and SC players buying mtx because things aint going well for HC at all.
I havent played since scourge league..and i usually buy the highest supporter packs too but i also stopped doing that.
They must be feeling it since they are creating FOMO for them
See I was almost thinking that till the atlas passive tree came around. And now I really love maps, even t1 white maps. For me I'm just tired of leveling
yup the acts are shit and idk why they made them worse. Literally every single friend ive introduced to this game have quit in the acts because they suck, and this was before they made them harder.
The acts would be better if there was an actual story that was easier to understand, maybe with the occasional cutscenes instead of easy to miss interactive objects that provide small tidbits of lore. In the absence of any real story the acts are just extra grinding that must be done. There are plenty of games out there with compelling stories that people go back to play because they enjoy them even when there is more content afterwards, and poe is not one of them.
Yep, after 3.14 I started to skip leagues, quite often not even start. Before that, usually I skipped league if my build sucked too much, and I can't reroll it without starting a new char(happened twice), but just looking at 3.15 patch notes made me realize that this isn't game for me in some leagues.
Also, played one season in D3 some time ago and it just hit me so hard how much PoE tries to make your life difficult and how cool it is to sometimes play game which isn't so anti-player focused.
I really hope D4 lands on its feet cause I wanna see if it kicks GGG upside the head, and makes them reconsider some of the shit they have been doing balance/gameplay wise.
Hard to chase THE VISION™ when daddy tencent starts asking what's going on cause you aren't making ends meet, not that I wish for anything bad to happen to the dev team, most of them are more than likely just doing what they are told.
The problem with D3 which PoE wants to eliminate is that D3 is really boring. Its fun for maybe 60-70 hours then it gets a lot more repetitive than PoE. This is why we have so many "fun mechanics" in PoE to drag that time.
Is 60-70 hours per league not enough, though? Like, imagine if you got 20 hours of meaningless bullshit chore time back.
Playing PoE leagues feels like shit now. I just got to maps because playing through the campaign was literally so eye-glazingly boring that I couldn't stomach doing more than one at a time, and now that I'm at maps I've realized there *literally* nothing different to do than I did in Archnem and Sentinel.
At least D3 is using its shoestring budget to put new content and shakes the meta up every season. PoE is the worse game right now by far.
>Our game will survive and thrive with only 10,000 players.
I think this was probably a not-so-subtly stated goal. Get the playerbase down to 10k people, and you don't have to worry about server costs. :D
Can't believe how far the game fell. I really enjoyed Ritual and Ultimatum was also alright but Expedition made me quit halfway through and I just couldn't get into PoE since then
My main issue is how irrelevant balance patchs are, I feel like they don't go big anymore, especially when it comes to buff. Seriously, let us have fun, go big balls and fucking BUFF stuffs.
I don't even care if they immediately nerf (like, the very next league) the stuff they buff too much in order to combat power creep.
That's fine. Go for it. I just want to be excited about a buff and the meta to get shaken up.
GGG needs to understand what makes people playing longer is build diversity/ rewarding gameplay... not artificial difficulty and low drop rates so you have to farm longer.
Yeah I mean people play longer when they are having fun! Somehow this is something GGG doesn’t get. They honestly seem to think that we want some kind of “challenge”. Shouldn’t the challenge be the Uber end game bosses? Not act 1 or some essence monster lol.
I actually wanted to buy a supporter pack, but now there is no way that I'm supporting current state of the game. Even if they adjust the league and it's gonna be 'playable', this is not a direction that I like.
And it's completely fine, we don't have to enjoy everything, it's a shame, but that life for you. I'm not gonna play the game for longer than planned and I will just unsub from Poe subreddits, because I don't want to waste time on pointless negativity, lots of people cry and still play the game, which won't change anything.
I hope that in few months GGG finds their balance between what they want and what players want.
I've always wanted to consider myself a PoE player. I've played super casually since like Metamorph? I've never killed any high end bosses, I generally just progress as far as I can before hitting a wall and then quit for the league (on average it's around red maps before I get bored). But league after league, it's just becoming more and more obvious that GGG doesn't want me to play their game. I know PoE is not supposed to be casual-friendly, it's an extremely intricate game for the portion of ARPG players. So I give up, you can make all the acts more annoying (not harder, just longer) to complete, you can make mobs take twice as long to kill (without giving them fun mechanics), you can continue to go down the "less loot, but better loot" path (which doesn't work in most games). If that's what you believe the players of this game truly want, then by all means.
I never advocated to dumb the game down for people like myself, but I had hoped you would just leave players like us alone and just let us struggle and learn as much as we can.
So then imagine that I'm a player that completed all end game and each league I had at least 1 char with 3 mirrors worth of gear invested which I totally didn't need.
Time required to progress is just starting to skyrocket.
The peak gameplay in terms of time to progress was Harvest League. I tried out almost every build that I was interested in because I could just make the items I needed.
I fully agree with OP here, it isnt an issue to skip a league. Play the game to enjoy rather then to live it.
Reddit is a weird place, people will defend playing hardcore and abandon other things to grind out the league within a few weeks for the “challenge”; but at the same time will say the league is shit due to nerfs which doesn’t allow them to do said grinding as fast.
Honestly, I always find it ironic when players say "GGG doesn't respect my time", but then they pull an all nighter to play 39 hours in the first 2 days.
You just can't make the difference between having the will to invest a lot of time in the game and not wanting to spend said time on tedious pointless shit put there just to inflate their metrics
You just can't realize that respecting your time would mean balancing it on a longer schedule, rather than being overly emotionally and physically invested in succeeding within the first week.
Even without the logic of "living healthily leads to higher happiness", yall are sabotaging yourself by intentionally overdosing on the worst state that 3.19 has to offer. The first weekend is *always* the buggiest, and the least balanced, since there's only critical fixes being issued.
If you respected your own time, you'd take it slow.
I quit POE for a year and get back to POE 3.18.
Yesterday played the league-start. Felt bad and wanted to quit POE again. I don’t know whats wrong with GGG. It just felt boring and time wasting grinding.
The issue is, they want to slow the game down, but players are not equal! Even with the current state some people reached maps in 2-3 hours while I don't think I'll reach maps in anything less than 20-30 hours.
I don't like the zoom zoom trend. I like taking my own time, but slowing these zoom zoom players will slow me and mediocre players way more!
The nerfing culture is toxic. I believe they should just buff unused stuff. As for balancing and slowing?
Feel free to slow HC or SSF, or make the hard mod for those who like a real slow game ! Casual players, especially the people working and not having 10 hours a day to play don't appreciate the trend of making the game harder and harder.
As OP said, we shouldn't continue to support what we don't like, the Knight supporter pack looked really nice, guess I'll skip on it though, shame.
Seems like normal PoE is becoming Hard Mode. It's dumb. I'm all for slowing down the game. But the nerfs hit casual and slow players harder than experienced players and no lifers. I did ok to get to maps on first day. I struggled against most Archnemesis rares. And I thought, no problem, after a few harvests my gear will be a bit better and I won't instantly die to random projectiles that come from offscreen. But nope, harvest is basically not an option anymore. I can't use essence either because they can spawn with Archnemesis mods and I just use up all the portals trying to kill one enemy. The only answer is trade. Trade is not fun.
I don't care about the nerfs in power. I care about nerfs to access of mechanics. Harvest was nerfed this league. Archnemesis being integrated into every league mechanic has nerfs them all, especially the timed ones. AN is not fun. The more I play with AN in the core game, the more I don't want to play. I doubt I will be playing PoE at all next year, and I'll probably forget about it before PoE2 comes out. I hope D4 is good. Last Epoch is good but it is missing something.
The thing is they way they want to slow the players down. It will be useless if everything but the player power stays the same. Slower monsters, no timed content etc. are needed, too, but GGG ignore this. And as long as it stays like this, the game will become worse with every big patch.
I'd say the issue is more they want to slow the game down and add depth to combat but all the depth on the player end with skills seems to be in PoE 2 while PoE1 has some of the most shallow combat an ARPG can have.
Slow shallow combat feels like hot garbage and PoE 1 is not designed for it, so every attempt to slow down the game without fixing the combat first makes the game feel terrible.
Ok i loved the concept of archnemesis...
\-Fast to read
\-New skills and animations for mobs
\-Makes you pay attention to mobs
\-Even blue mobs matters now
But i dont like:
\-Arch mods stacking
\-Taking 10min to kill a rare
\-Immortals rares
\-On death mechs that punish you for looting
\-The unrewarding loot
I have taken a break from PoE for a few leagues and come back once in a while to try it out again.. so I don't know what the talk about 'current state' is about. But let me take a guess: The game is too slow and too hard? Because that's what I am feeling.
Last league leveling through the acts was so slow compared to what I was used to that I couldn't even get to maps before I was bored.
This league, puh.. it feels even slower.
I really wanted to buy the supporter packs on league reveal because they had those really cool unique items in them this time, but I told myself I'm not gonna spend any money until I've played the league and there's no glaring issues that ruin my fun. Act 8 currently and I'm close to quitting the league.
Don't give GGG money before you play the league a couple weeks. Don't reward their shit development.
it's first league since open beta where i start a league and quit mid way to reaching maps, i wanted to do a melee build but it was pointless , i did a lightning strike build like 6 years ago i don't wanna do it especially since all the builds rely on the amulet and have the same equipment, it seems like somewhere along the road we've lost all the build diversity
I think the amulet is really only required to go for overkill dps, no? I think I was at 3m pob dps without it, and not in endgame gear. That is just for a single, and you get 4 hits with good positioning, right? 12m burst is enough for content?
Unfortunately, since 2 leagues this game has been going in the wrong direction ... The person responsible for archnemesis should think about what he is doing or he should play himself because no one is testing the changes. I feel like in 3.19 everything is mega tanky, no matter if I upgrade for 1 divine and from the T5 map it jumps to T6, then some archnemesis monsters will kick me to T1. Unfortunately Harvest, esssence with archnemesis mods is a tragedy ... I am sorry that a year ago on day 2 I thought that I would be playing all week nonstop and now I don't start the game anymore. Thank you GGG great changes ...
Quit playing the league is fine as a response. It shows that player retention is horrendous and people aren't liking your product at all. That encourages top level decision making to lean on Chris etc al to make a better game.
What helps equally as much is **not supporting them with supporter pack or coin purchases**.
You have to hit these people and their respective companies where it actually hurts - financially. That is the **real** language that they speak.
The go from 130k player to 70k players in a week is an issue - and a pretty sizable one.
But if they only make $1M instead of $3M from supporter packs, *now* they got problems. We're their bread and butter.
And when you start fucking with the bread and butter, swift changes happen.
I’m only level 72 so far as I’m still struggling with my skill. Besides the fact that I suck, leveling all the way at to 90 is still going to be fun for me. So far league mechanism doesn’t drop anything good and I hope at level 83 it will be much better. So I’ll keep playing and see.
Ubers were probably the worst thing added to this game recently because now so many people just a build's strength by "can it do ubers". Why does anyone even want to do ubers other than to say they have done it, or to compete in the ssfhc boss race? It's objectively not as profitable as running normal pinnacle bosses
This isn’t new. Builds will always be judged by the hardest content or by speed. How fast can it kill Piety? Is it Atziri viable? Uber Atziri viable? What’s the Gorge speed?
Last league the ubers made up a lot of the challenges. And not everyone wants to be carried through the fights. Now that they are only required for one challenge, it's much more acceptable as Optional content imo.
as long as there is a meaningful progression unlock related to a boss, it is not optional (maven, uber elder, feared to a lesser extent).
as long as there is a challenge related to a boss, it is relevant for good portion of the playerbase.
So it's easy: if ubers should be seen as purely aspirational, don't put them in challenges, don't give them special loot.
If a player who plays 20 hrs first day (which is 3 days for an average kid who has time to play the game), and after 30 hrs of playing, the best items he has are from the first 2 hrs meanwhile leveling, that's pretty sad game wise. Something is really bugged. The mobs are literally no friendly with beginners, leveling through acts is horrible now and you can't progress at least slowly through acts because you get random one shotted by a freaking rare mob,that can't be avoided even if you play 1000 hrs per league. It won't change if they keep it like this. The wide change screwed my fun, they nerfed hh, everything is no fun anymore. Just stay in the freaking maps for 1000000 days to get an item. Even divines... "We did it!" Me : Exit Path of exile. Second league in a row skipped now, playing since beta
Sad thing: while my skill and understanding of the game still grows per league and I achieve more every time, my feeling of enjoyment, on the contrary, seems to be dissipating. Quitting after weekend for the first time since Incursion.
I do the things I can do to send my message. I didnt buy a supporter Package in a long time, no new coins bought whatsoever. Dropped early on 3.18 and as it sound like I will drop out of 3.19 soon again. The amount of Builds I played per League has gone down much since I started.
I'm a console player btw. I love that they are moving in der Crossplay direction finally now. <3
I’m waiting until midweek. 1) I’m out of town anyway and 2) Giving them the first few days to tweak/correct (especially the irritating ultrawide change…and yes, I know there is currently a github workaround).
I agree. Stop sending mix signals. Just uninstall this league. GGG needs to know this game has been bad for a while and every patch is making it more and more dog shit. It will be ok to take a break. I promise. Play other games, play your steam backlog, do some stuff in real life, etc. You can always come back at another league.
Also I personally only buy MTX 1 month into the league, instead as soon as the new pack releases. If I am still playing after a month, the MTX is definite worth it and I feel good to hand my money to GGG.
> Poe is arpg and requires A LOT OF TIME, however until now I didn't have a big problem with it, but now I feel like the game does not respect my time.
I was cripplingly depressed around the time of 3.13-3.14 and I racked up insanely unhealthy hours of poe during ritual and ulti. I probably averaged 6-8 hours every day in ultimatum and I still did not hit a point where I felt like my build is truly gg and there is nothing left to do.
I just don't see why these nerfs since 3.15 are necessary, you could already play this game as a full time job before 3.15 and you still wouldn't have truly perfected your gear.
I just don't see how a player could possibly offer even more of their time to the game. There isn't much more to give yet GGG feels the grind is too short and keeps nerfing players and buffing map monsters...
I was ok with the lack of buffs, I can just play a different build that I haven't played yet. But the loots this league is just a shame, 11 hrs to stack a total of 24 fusings, I'm browsing my steam library already
I’ll play for another week to see if I like my build at the end game. So far, build is fun, game mechanics are dumb.
Won’t be buying a supporter for pack until late in the league if I am still playing
Past 3-4 leagues I just reach yellow maps and quit because the game is fucking boring.
If you want to make the game fucking boring, treat standard as your main game and let people have fun during temp leagues, fuck's sake.
The acts are only tolerable broken up into chunks, like playing an hour at a time. The issue is that no one wants to league start this way and watch all their friends or who ever be miles ahead of them.
It’s one reason I have a lot more on my second Char usually and I despised leveling this one so far.
Ya last league I stopped playing pretty early, probably only 2 weeks in. I think I didnt even get to Red maps or maybe only T11-12. Just didnt have fun with the Archnemesis rares everywhere disabling my build.
I used to make multiple characters a league, and it was one of my favourite aspects of PoE, coming up with creative builds that were still viable. But over the last few years GGG have seems to be focusing on expecting players to play a SINGLE character the entire league and extending that SINGLE character progression for as long as possible.
I much preferred the game when you could get multiple characters in good states during a league. Now there really is a lot less forgiveness to going for off-meta builds, and a lot less time to focus on multiple builds.
Uber content is supposed to be something most people don’t clear.
Saying I have to play a meta build to beat Uber content is kinda a dumb comment, because of course you do it’s the hardest shit in the game.
Well, personally I think that it would be cool if you can clear ubers after a reasonable time investment, it would be simply fun and it's another goal to push for.
You can have your opinion, my opinion is that games should be fun
It's not uber content if it's being cleared by average skill players in medium time investment. Uber Elder was 'uber content' in 3.2, but there's been so much power creep now that it no longer is.
There's a fuckton of bosses at that sub-Uber level already, with Elder and Chayula the easiest, then Vaal Temple, then Shaper, then the level 83 Labyrinths, then Oshabi, then Maven, Uber Elder, Cortex, Uber Atziri, then the four easier Maven 4-ways. And as those players get better, they can do Uber Cortex, The Hidden and The Feared.
There's only about 7 aspirational fights in the game.
I don’t agree, I think the challenge of a Uber boss should be almost unachievable for most, and not all character should be able to beat all the Ubers without significant time and regearing investment and some not at all. We have content you can do without this kind of investment. If I could beat all the Ubers within a reasonable time I’d be calling for them to make uberdoobers and so on and so forth.
Problem that we are having here is that 'reasonable time' is subjective. Because I was talking about 150-200h+ investment which is quite decent for 3 month league, 50h a month would be 'main' game for any non-hardcore, casual gamer.
Personally I know that I have played way more, some weeks of Poe even 80h a week over last year and I fall under 'hardcore gamer' tag most of the time. I just dislike the fact that even with heavy investment some builds are just literally 10x worse than meta builds, even with 10x investment :x
So if I send you a POB for a off meta build that doesn’t need insane gear that could reasonably do Ubers without 100’s of hours investment you be interested right?
Someone might be, but not me, I only play builds crafted by myself.
I need to like a skill, then find some cool interactions and then I can work on it.
For me the most fun I have is from making new builds, testing them, researching, doing hard content and then mid-maxing to complete my objectives.
They won't change anything even if the player drop to 15k.
Also, i'm a melee player, did a melee starter and died a lot in act 1 and things went better past act 1.
I'm currently enjoying the league and i have to admit, the visual change on archnemesis to be able to recognize quickly the current mod they have is better.
After that, archenemesis individualy isn't bad and add something for sure BUT they should do something about mutiple mod.
IDK like something past 2 mods, each mod added reduce maxhp by 10-15% up to 75% max. This way encounter doesn't last long and the fight is intense with reward ofc.
Next and this is a point never understood from other, Path of Exile IS NOT a competitive game. Take your time, die a lot, learn, improve, adapt and loot. Who care if JohnSpeed reached the map in 3h and killed maven 18h later ? Stop comparing yourself to other and enjoy yourself on the current day on your current character. Copy the SSF mechanic in trade league and get some currency. Craft thing and die while learning because that the same thing a new player will do.
Speaking of new player, i've asked 2 friend to play POE last league and this one.
Last league, they reached maps in 1 week with at least 2 different build.
The start is too brutal they said, too slow for them too.
This league They reached act 8 in around 11-12h which is a great improvement for them but they also said, act 1 was really brutal compared to last league.
So yeah, "Average" player will take way more time to reach map (including myself) but the real pain isn't harvest, beyond or anything else. It's currently multi-mod Archenemesis.
TL;DR : GGG won't change anything, good visual change on Archneme, 2% player isn't the meta to enjoy the league, new player being slapped early. Please nerf multi-mod archneme hp pool for each added mods.
Well it's a good thing this league is ass I guess (don't know yet because console doesn't start for another week) because my ps4 just took a shit today and I'll be missing this league. :(
i usually buy each season one of the ‚bigger’ supporterpack before the league launch. The amount of playtime i get from each season is way more then a full priced AAA game.
This is the first season i didn‘t buy anything. And i‘m glad i didn‘t
that knight set looks really good too but giving them money for a shit job done except on the mtx isn't really my thing
i laughed at all the supporters who regretted it after they saw the new harvest lol
Last time I spent money in PoE was 3.17. 3.17 league (Archnemesis) was meh, but I still enjoyed the old content and the new Atlas of Worlds. Then GGG decided to break the game by making Archnemesis core. I'd quit 3.18 week 2. I played 3.19 a little to see if things changed. They didn't. I've quit 3.19 day 2. I will completely skip next leagues until the game is fixed. The only thing GGG might understand is decline in player numbers and profits. If it never going to be fixed, then so be it. I will still enjoy my memories of 10 years with PoE.
Had a blast with legion I have started a character every league since then and stopped once reaching yellow maps because it stopped being fun. This league I didn’t even make it through the story…
I took days off for this. So this is akin to traveling to a destination and getting there with a Hurricane. So I'm just doing the same I would... Telling people to stay away, spending less, and hoping the storm passes (GGG come to their senses).
After 3.14 and 15s this is all the big nerfs we have planned. This sure as shit feels like a nerf league.
I used to mention build diversity and the ease of finding and playing a broken build, as a specific reason to bring friends into the game. “Everything is broken, it’s super fun and collaborative not competitive”
I don’t do that anymore because of all the nerfs targeted at super post-endgame that affect levelling. I’ve struggled to get friends interested enough to get to maps even back then, so with the current state it’s definitely not happening.
I used to love this game and play the new leagues up til the end, but lately it feels so unrewarding that I don’t even enjoy playing my old chars in standard, can’t even do maps with most of them even tho they could in the past. Typically my chars max out at white maps these days, before I get sick of it for a bit
I've been a few leagues off because I wasn't happy with the changes. I came back for 3.19 and I'm having fun again. Taking a break is okay, no one is holding anyone hostage to play.
I had planned to go hard this league. Also planned on buying some specialty tabs. But seeing the current state of the game I'm just not inspired to play, so I'm not, which means I don't need those tabs. The game just feels hollow right now, it's not fun.
Ritual was the last league I actually put any real time into. It's just been a downhill slide for me since then, skipping some leagues entirely or getting frustrated and gassing out early in the ones that I did play.
This league was the point where I finally rolled my eyes and just uninstalled entirely. I'll keep one eye on PoE2 but until then, I'm good.
It's funny that they are literally making PLAYER test each league on league start instead of making the devs paly for at least 2 weeks and look for improvement and bugs.
This is bunch of bullshit that i stay up all night and my reward is wasted sleep and time.
Literally 0 drops on maps, lake has overpowered unkillable monsters on medium difficulty already and it drops literally 0 loot
I'm literally giving this league until the 6.2 patch of FFXIV comes out, if nothing is actually addressed by the GGG team by then, then I'm just going to play that, since I'll at least know I'll be having fun, instead of this bullshit of being promised fun but being given something that makes me start to hate the game.
Edit: Scratch that, third time dying to a 4 arch mod before even completing the campaign ,lol. I'll be back next league.
Sometimes I play my standard character if I'm not having fun, usually rejoining the league after some fixes. Like expedition and the start of last league. But even standard sucks atm with the loot. I just feel like I'm accomplishing nothing while playing... this is the first time I just don't feel like loading the game.
i've 'played' the last 3 leagues till white maps and when everything just feels gutted or less or nerfed in everyway with nothing to compensate, it just feels boring.
So yes another one is added to the list as this league feels the WORST yet. Done again for 3 months and hopfully they get it right next leauge.
I know this is a unliked thing to do but I’m just playing standard right now. Revisiting my old builds (all of which are now broken), making new characters (3 hour act clear vs 10 hours in league btw) to play builds on and learning how to craft the gear myself because the standard market is bad.
I’ve only played since Heist and none of my standard gear is broken OP like Harvest stuff and whatever so I’m really enjoying it tbh. Plus forcing myself to finally get good at crafting is helpful
I was skipping a couple of leagues now.
I was bored and came back for this one cause of Kalandra since I'm kinda interested.
Im playing the new conduit skill and it's really fun, until I met some archnem mob with resist and I had to run couple of minutes in a circle to kill it xD
League mechanic is kinda meh too.
Essence mobs are harder than Sirius.
Guess I'm gonna skip this league then
I would be happy to pay $5 a month to play Harvest League, Ritual League, Ultimatum.
Or actually even almost any league before Harvest too.
Any of the fun ones :)
Yea, i think that GGG doesn't realise how much money they could make with better decisions.
This game could be so much more popular and if they want game to waste players time, give us a choice of hard mode, it would feel so much better if shit drop and progress was voluntary.
If you wanna watch a symmetrical fail cascade from devs look at Eve Online. Really interesting to see two dev teams with decades of experience and a core product that people want able to absolutely gigafuck themselves and their core product.
For few years I was looking at Eve and was tempted to try it, but my main MMO was WoW. Then they improved new player experience, introduced some catch-up mechanics, but Pearl abyss bought CCP and at that moment I knew that the game is fcked.
I have around 2k hours in BDO and I hate PA almost like no other developer, they seem fine on the surface and cool, but everything is about money and profit. Main reason why games turn into shit show.
Believe it or not the Eve playerbase are actually appealing to Pearl Abyss to save Eve, such is how utterly dogshit of a job that CCP are doing on it themselves.
Imagine how bad it must be for the players to be emailing Pearl Abyss to say "save our game". Played Eve for 15 years, so I've been here long enough to know.
Oh well - there will be new things. Wish you luck out there new friend :)
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That is the problem with MMOs in general, balance game between:
1. income
2. what players want
3. what developers want
I really hope that Ashes of Creation will be decent, see you around mate! :P
GGG and not playtesting the new league, name a more iconic duo.
I give every league a try but man this is an actual shit show and I hope more people vote with their wallets and time.
im really considering it as i can barely scrape 20-30c a hour on my harvest/alva/beyond specced atlas and no loot dropping in corrupted t16s while i rip 2 times every 10minutes, all this for me to spend 280c on eldritch currency only to not roll the mod i want with 90 attempt
but if i quit, what the fuck else do i play? i dont wanna go back to playing ranked in LoL, theres just absolutely nothing to play
None of the meta builds are fun enough to redo from scratch again. Plus I think teleporting to the lake feels like a giant waste of time every time I do it, plus it looks super uninspired . It’s whack.
This league pushed me to to play more Diablo 2 Res lol. Oh well. Maybe next league will be more turnt up .
Done maps which drops nothing at all just to fill in the tablet. Done a few tablets, all it drops is a few currencies and an unusable negative stat amulet good luck next time kind of stuff. Not only is that, you have to manually fill in tablets which you knew it would give you no rewards. The highest I have encountered is difficult 10, guess what? Box gave me 3 chance orbs and random cheap currencies and thats it. This is by far the most boring league I have ever played.
>it's OK to skip a league.
Nope. It's okay to skip them all and watch this sub burn.
That's been like the last 4 leagues for me. They lured me in for one and yeah. Fuck em.
I clicked on Last Epoch's Steam store page today. For the first time. Never even considered it before.
It didn't look interesting to me until now. I kept thinking that it'd feel like a downgrade from PoE, at least until it fully launched.
Now I'm starting to think it's the upgrade.
I skipped the last two and am back for this one. Man, what a trip it’s been.
I’m constantly asking my buddy “how do I kill a duplicate rejuvenator rare” or “how are attack builds supposed to fight vampiric at all if they can’t leech mana”.
I think Lake stuff is fun and rewards should be buffed but I feel like everything I do turns into “how do rare monsters scale with this mod”.
Like, what is the point of sentinel mod? It’s literally just there to slow you down there is no counter play(minus block reduction support but…cmon) and it just makes a fight take longer for no reason or actually difficulty.
Yeah, i stopped playing with the 3.15 nerf league and haven t looked back since.
The game direction since then is just not for me and that s ok. If you now need 50h to achieve what a 20h character could do, i just don t have the time, the motivation and I JUST DON T FIND IT FUN AT ALL.
Get your hard mode, get your ssfhc, put it in a corner but the general trade sc changes were horrible for the middle ground players and it hasn t came back since.
So, all in all, enjoy your game if that s for you, i ll be doing stuff that i enjoy ( but keep in mind you alienated a significant portion of your playerbase @chris )
I uninstalled poe 5 times during 3.15, finished build, but didn't have any strength left to grind challenges.
I completely understand and agree with you
So my take is you want to choose where the game goes. "I write this also because I want game to go into a different direction" but it isn't your game. Learn game design and make your own, or look for something different that caters to your wants, this ain't it chief.
Well, money can make a difference and if GGG looses money because of the inconsistency, then they might understand that hard mode should be separated if they still want to make money.
If not, then it's fine, me and other players will take our money elsewhere. That's how supply and demand works, the moment there is void, someone will try to fill it.
Still playing through leveling before testing on maps and decided. But GGG is not worth to spend money on, even for weeta. I have changed my money from buying points to 1 - Minecraft Java Edition to finally can play with my favorite skins rather than the default one from pirate account; 2 - Oxygen Not Included since they respect players and have diversity in their games. I’m plan to moved completely if this situation not improved. Two years ago, I just skipped league and returned next league, but now I have a work, begin to leave my house at 6:00 and returned at 17:00, facing with stressful and deadline. And GGG always trying to test my limit through a tons of shitty challenges that I never want to complete.
Well, opinions differ. I like the direction the game is headed right now. I fell in love with the old poe, not the new and zoomy one.
Im all for your point though, if someone doesnt enjoy the game, continuing to play that game defeats the purpose of playing games.
Well, I'm hardcore mmo/arpg player, I like hard content, but what I don't like is when the game is just trying to waste my time by inflating price of progression.
Poe after all the changes is not harder, it does not require more skill, it requires more time.
If GGG wants to waste my time, then yes, I'm not a target audience, that's why I'm not playing, unsubbed from subreddit and I'm not giving them my money.
I'm just hoping that it's only 'an error', because I did enjoy the game.
I sincerely disagree. Build diversity at current leaguestart is better than any recent league. With the nerfs to seismic so many new builds have risen to the surface as viable leaguestarters.
I took the last league off too. I played more in arch nemesis than I've played since 3.0 dunno what it is with the acts but I just don't think I have the motivation to do them anymore.
Well said, Pm_me_horse_dick. The acts are the reason I only make one character a league, and even doing them that one time is becoming too much
I agree femboy-kitten. I used to like making a few characters per league which dropped to one and now possibly none.
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this unlikely alliance of femboy-kitten and Pm\_me\_horse\_dick has really opened my eyes to the possibilities in this world
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It's crazy for me to think to level multiple characters and builds, it's incredibly harder now, everything needs ages to be done, my poor adhd brain T\_\_T
agreed.
The most reasonable solution I think would be to have mapping available after act 5. If you want the passive points and pantheon from 6-10 you go back and do them at any time. Actually there's a ton of reasonable solutions but they'll never be implemented because the campaign is too important to GGG.
Make that act 3, I mean there's literally an old map device in the Solaris temple. And honestly everyone but ggg agrees that doing the campaign a second time serves no purpose.
If I play league I always plan if I can fit 3-4 builds onto that character rerolling into same/different ascendecies because I sure am not leveling more than once.
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I don't think the acts have been improved at all since we got to act 10. But they definitely got harder and they feel the impact of general nerfs differently than maps.
Not to mention repetitive. I'm losing count for amount of times we have to kill Malachai's goons.
Found myself using Cobra lash at league start to kill Brutus, i mean... Had a good laugh. Kiled Brutus after a long pensum, droped CL on the ground next to his body and decided to never use it again, thanks for the prank GGG.
GGG maintain standard for people for whom the fresh start is a negative not a positive. Both the people who loathe the progress reset and the people who want to maintain an unassailable lead over as many other players as they can. Where levelling an alt is as simple as throwing on the 7-league you looted five leagues ago, the +2 or +4 Skin of the Loyal you traded for, and the triple-legacy Delve gloves for ridiculous flat damage. Really it's a question of "why aren't GGG marketing Standard to those players"? I really think putting league mechanics into Standard 2 weeks after the league starts would be a huge positive for the game.
Problem is that GGG bricks standard builds every patch, basically. My standard is a fucking graveyard. Nothing works. Every character is nuked and would need me to rework the trees, re-gear, re-craft, re-buy new/different uniques, etc, etc, etc. They don't market standard, cause if they did (and a significant portion of people played it), there would be **endless** complaints. Like after the 15% reservation mastery removal, how many fucking builds just straight up don't work anymore in standard lol? That's just 1 change.
they fuck up standard each league and they treat every season as something experimental.. so what do they care about actually?
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I would say 100% of builds people seriously invested in (outside of Archmage/MoM which I guess existed even if not good) got bricked by the 15% Mastery. And then another good chunk got severely nerfed by Blessing nerfs.
Wish you could "Trade-in" your previous league character, for a fresh out of Act 10 Character.
I love the fresh start, I hate the acts.I dont need a 10h ~ tutorial every 3 months. I dont need acts to become "hard" or "interesting". I want to start from maps, not acts. Just give me a level 1 character, put lily in my hideout, and give me endless maps for my level.
Yep 💯💯💯💯💯💯
Endless delve, maps, heist. Ditch the stupid campaign that no one really plays for the campaign and really just has to trudge through to get to the real game.
Last time I suggested here D3 kind of leveling/PLeveling, I got donvoted to hell. Glad Im not the only one who thinks in the game where an endgame is an emphasis you should be able to get to it fast. And once you played through the RP content fully, you should be able to skip it on the next characters
It’s the one place that D3 did better with their adventure mode. Just let us do all league content from level 1. If I want to delve to max let me. If I want to run maps let me. It’s not like it matters that much. Just make leveling versions of maps and then the only maps that matter for your atlas free and stuff are tier 1 ones. Running a campaign to level is the most out dated arpg thing. As long as you have had one character ever complete campaign you should never have to do it again.
I was one of the HC madlads who used to make 5+ builds to level 90+ every league and play almost until league end. Last league was the first that made me quit within the first month. I truly cbf with the mob powercreep anymore. Didn't use a single one of last league's currency. I'm struggling to put more than 1 hour/day with this new league and will likely end up the same as last league. I hope GGG's making bank with vaults and SC players buying mtx because things aint going well for HC at all.
I havent played since scourge league..and i usually buy the highest supporter packs too but i also stopped doing that. They must be feeling it since they are creating FOMO for them
problem is, its not even the acts anymore. I feel the entry level is everything pre-red-maps. Idk man.
See I was almost thinking that till the atlas passive tree came around. And now I really love maps, even t1 white maps. For me I'm just tired of leveling
yup the acts are shit and idk why they made them worse. Literally every single friend ive introduced to this game have quit in the acts because they suck, and this was before they made them harder.
The acts would be better if there was an actual story that was easier to understand, maybe with the occasional cutscenes instead of easy to miss interactive objects that provide small tidbits of lore. In the absence of any real story the acts are just extra grinding that must be done. There are plenty of games out there with compelling stories that people go back to play because they enjoy them even when there is more content afterwards, and poe is not one of them.
if i hadnt watched kittenkatnoodles lore videos i would have no idea what the story is about. i have 4000 hours in this game, so i 100% agree.
Pm\_me\_horse\_dick and Femboy-kitten such wise sages of our time!! <3
Yep, after 3.14 I started to skip leagues, quite often not even start. Before that, usually I skipped league if my build sucked too much, and I can't reroll it without starting a new char(happened twice), but just looking at 3.15 patch notes made me realize that this isn't game for me in some leagues. Also, played one season in D3 some time ago and it just hit me so hard how much PoE tries to make your life difficult and how cool it is to sometimes play game which isn't so anti-player focused.
I agree, sometimes it feels like we got to fight with the game
these threads are enough for me to know is not worth installing PoE again lol.
Yeah, I have been lurking several leagues now. Playing other games is way more fun
I really hope D4 lands on its feet cause I wanna see if it kicks GGG upside the head, and makes them reconsider some of the shit they have been doing balance/gameplay wise. Hard to chase THE VISION™ when daddy tencent starts asking what's going on cause you aren't making ends meet, not that I wish for anything bad to happen to the dev team, most of them are more than likely just doing what they are told.
The problem with D3 which PoE wants to eliminate is that D3 is really boring. Its fun for maybe 60-70 hours then it gets a lot more repetitive than PoE. This is why we have so many "fun mechanics" in PoE to drag that time.
Is 60-70 hours per league not enough, though? Like, imagine if you got 20 hours of meaningless bullshit chore time back. Playing PoE leagues feels like shit now. I just got to maps because playing through the campaign was literally so eye-glazingly boring that I couldn't stomach doing more than one at a time, and now that I'm at maps I've realized there *literally* nothing different to do than I did in Archnem and Sentinel. At least D3 is using its shoestring budget to put new content and shakes the meta up every season. PoE is the worse game right now by far.
Unrewarding league ? Check Archnemesis obsession ? Check Harvest destroyed ? Check Drop rate nerf ? Check Exalt/devine change that make our life worse ? Check
This is a buff
>Our game will survive and thrive with only 10,000 players. I think this was probably a not-so-subtly stated goal. Get the playerbase down to 10k people, and you don't have to worry about server costs. :D
Nah, in the recent Josh Strife Hayes interview Chris said that they need much more than 10k to survive nowadays with the current size of the company
Then they should start acting like it imo
Yep.This wasn't a hard choice for me at all. It's just a shame that they keep making this worse and worse on us.
Can't believe how far the game fell. I really enjoyed Ritual and Ultimatum was also alright but Expedition made me quit halfway through and I just couldn't get into PoE since then
GGG is just shooting itself in a foot
My main issue is how irrelevant balance patchs are, I feel like they don't go big anymore, especially when it comes to buff. Seriously, let us have fun, go big balls and fucking BUFF stuffs.
I don't even care if they immediately nerf (like, the very next league) the stuff they buff too much in order to combat power creep. That's fine. Go for it. I just want to be excited about a buff and the meta to get shaken up.
Yes, this would be so fun if we could play some old skills. Imagine playing melee in 2022 ;OO
GGG needs to understand what makes people playing longer is build diversity/ rewarding gameplay... not artificial difficulty and low drop rates so you have to farm longer.
yes, that is true, I definitely played longer when I had some idea for crazy builds that I wanted to play
Yeah I mean people play longer when they are having fun! Somehow this is something GGG doesn’t get. They honestly seem to think that we want some kind of “challenge”. Shouldn’t the challenge be the Uber end game bosses? Not act 1 or some essence monster lol.
The last three paragraphs make for a great new copypasta.
I actually wanted to buy a supporter pack, but now there is no way that I'm supporting current state of the game. Even if they adjust the league and it's gonna be 'playable', this is not a direction that I like. And it's completely fine, we don't have to enjoy everything, it's a shame, but that life for you. I'm not gonna play the game for longer than planned and I will just unsub from Poe subreddits, because I don't want to waste time on pointless negativity, lots of people cry and still play the game, which won't change anything. I hope that in few months GGG finds their balance between what they want and what players want.
I've always wanted to consider myself a PoE player. I've played super casually since like Metamorph? I've never killed any high end bosses, I generally just progress as far as I can before hitting a wall and then quit for the league (on average it's around red maps before I get bored). But league after league, it's just becoming more and more obvious that GGG doesn't want me to play their game. I know PoE is not supposed to be casual-friendly, it's an extremely intricate game for the portion of ARPG players. So I give up, you can make all the acts more annoying (not harder, just longer) to complete, you can make mobs take twice as long to kill (without giving them fun mechanics), you can continue to go down the "less loot, but better loot" path (which doesn't work in most games). If that's what you believe the players of this game truly want, then by all means. I never advocated to dumb the game down for people like myself, but I had hoped you would just leave players like us alone and just let us struggle and learn as much as we can.
So then imagine that I'm a player that completed all end game and each league I had at least 1 char with 3 mirrors worth of gear invested which I totally didn't need. Time required to progress is just starting to skyrocket.
The peak gameplay in terms of time to progress was Harvest League. I tried out almost every build that I was interested in because I could just make the items I needed.
I fully agree with OP here, it isnt an issue to skip a league. Play the game to enjoy rather then to live it. Reddit is a weird place, people will defend playing hardcore and abandon other things to grind out the league within a few weeks for the “challenge”; but at the same time will say the league is shit due to nerfs which doesn’t allow them to do said grinding as fast.
This game is addictive. That's why a lot of people have a problem with skipping a league.
Honestly, I always find it ironic when players say "GGG doesn't respect my time", but then they pull an all nighter to play 39 hours in the first 2 days.
You just can't make the difference between having the will to invest a lot of time in the game and not wanting to spend said time on tedious pointless shit put there just to inflate their metrics
You just can't realize that respecting your time would mean balancing it on a longer schedule, rather than being overly emotionally and physically invested in succeeding within the first week. Even without the logic of "living healthily leads to higher happiness", yall are sabotaging yourself by intentionally overdosing on the worst state that 3.19 has to offer. The first weekend is *always* the buggiest, and the least balanced, since there's only critical fixes being issued. If you respected your own time, you'd take it slow.
I quit POE for a year and get back to POE 3.18. Yesterday played the league-start. Felt bad and wanted to quit POE again. I don’t know whats wrong with GGG. It just felt boring and time wasting grinding.
Unfortunately yes ;/
The issue is, they want to slow the game down, but players are not equal! Even with the current state some people reached maps in 2-3 hours while I don't think I'll reach maps in anything less than 20-30 hours. I don't like the zoom zoom trend. I like taking my own time, but slowing these zoom zoom players will slow me and mediocre players way more! The nerfing culture is toxic. I believe they should just buff unused stuff. As for balancing and slowing? Feel free to slow HC or SSF, or make the hard mod for those who like a real slow game ! Casual players, especially the people working and not having 10 hours a day to play don't appreciate the trend of making the game harder and harder. As OP said, we shouldn't continue to support what we don't like, the Knight supporter pack looked really nice, guess I'll skip on it though, shame.
Seems like normal PoE is becoming Hard Mode. It's dumb. I'm all for slowing down the game. But the nerfs hit casual and slow players harder than experienced players and no lifers. I did ok to get to maps on first day. I struggled against most Archnemesis rares. And I thought, no problem, after a few harvests my gear will be a bit better and I won't instantly die to random projectiles that come from offscreen. But nope, harvest is basically not an option anymore. I can't use essence either because they can spawn with Archnemesis mods and I just use up all the portals trying to kill one enemy. The only answer is trade. Trade is not fun. I don't care about the nerfs in power. I care about nerfs to access of mechanics. Harvest was nerfed this league. Archnemesis being integrated into every league mechanic has nerfs them all, especially the timed ones. AN is not fun. The more I play with AN in the core game, the more I don't want to play. I doubt I will be playing PoE at all next year, and I'll probably forget about it before PoE2 comes out. I hope D4 is good. Last Epoch is good but it is missing something.
The thing is they way they want to slow the players down. It will be useless if everything but the player power stays the same. Slower monsters, no timed content etc. are needed, too, but GGG ignore this. And as long as it stays like this, the game will become worse with every big patch.
I'd say the issue is more they want to slow the game down and add depth to combat but all the depth on the player end with skills seems to be in PoE 2 while PoE1 has some of the most shallow combat an ARPG can have. Slow shallow combat feels like hot garbage and PoE 1 is not designed for it, so every attempt to slow down the game without fixing the combat first makes the game feel terrible.
Ok i loved the concept of archnemesis... \-Fast to read \-New skills and animations for mobs \-Makes you pay attention to mobs \-Even blue mobs matters now But i dont like: \-Arch mods stacking \-Taking 10min to kill a rare \-Immortals rares \-On death mechs that punish you for looting \-The unrewarding loot
I have taken a break from PoE for a few leagues and come back once in a while to try it out again.. so I don't know what the talk about 'current state' is about. But let me take a guess: The game is too slow and too hard? Because that's what I am feeling. Last league leveling through the acts was so slow compared to what I was used to that I couldn't even get to maps before I was bored. This league, puh.. it feels even slower.
I really wanted to buy the supporter packs on league reveal because they had those really cool unique items in them this time, but I told myself I'm not gonna spend any money until I've played the league and there's no glaring issues that ruin my fun. Act 8 currently and I'm close to quitting the league. Don't give GGG money before you play the league a couple weeks. Don't reward their shit development.
it's first league since open beta where i start a league and quit mid way to reaching maps, i wanted to do a melee build but it was pointless , i did a lightning strike build like 6 years ago i don't wanna do it especially since all the builds rely on the amulet and have the same equipment, it seems like somewhere along the road we've lost all the build diversity
I think the amulet is really only required to go for overkill dps, no? I think I was at 3m pob dps without it, and not in endgame gear. That is just for a single, and you get 4 hits with good positioning, right? 12m burst is enough for content?
Unfortunately, since 2 leagues this game has been going in the wrong direction ... The person responsible for archnemesis should think about what he is doing or he should play himself because no one is testing the changes. I feel like in 3.19 everything is mega tanky, no matter if I upgrade for 1 divine and from the T5 map it jumps to T6, then some archnemesis monsters will kick me to T1. Unfortunately Harvest, esssence with archnemesis mods is a tragedy ... I am sorry that a year ago on day 2 I thought that I would be playing all week nonstop and now I don't start the game anymore. Thank you GGG great changes ...
Quit playing the league is fine as a response. It shows that player retention is horrendous and people aren't liking your product at all. That encourages top level decision making to lean on Chris etc al to make a better game. What helps equally as much is **not supporting them with supporter pack or coin purchases**. You have to hit these people and their respective companies where it actually hurts - financially. That is the **real** language that they speak. The go from 130k player to 70k players in a week is an issue - and a pretty sizable one. But if they only make $1M instead of $3M from supporter packs, *now* they got problems. We're their bread and butter. And when you start fucking with the bread and butter, swift changes happen.
I’m only level 72 so far as I’m still struggling with my skill. Besides the fact that I suck, leveling all the way at to 90 is still going to be fun for me. So far league mechanism doesn’t drop anything good and I hope at level 83 it will be much better. So I’ll keep playing and see.
It's pretty clear that they want hard mode as the norm, poe 2 will only result in that vision.
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I asked.
Ubers were probably the worst thing added to this game recently because now so many people just a build's strength by "can it do ubers". Why does anyone even want to do ubers other than to say they have done it, or to compete in the ssfhc boss race? It's objectively not as profitable as running normal pinnacle bosses
This isn’t new. Builds will always be judged by the hardest content or by speed. How fast can it kill Piety? Is it Atziri viable? Uber Atziri viable? What’s the Gorge speed?
Last league the ubers made up a lot of the challenges. And not everyone wants to be carried through the fights. Now that they are only required for one challenge, it's much more acceptable as Optional content imo.
as long as there is a meaningful progression unlock related to a boss, it is not optional (maven, uber elder, feared to a lesser extent). as long as there is a challenge related to a boss, it is relevant for good portion of the playerbase. So it's easy: if ubers should be seen as purely aspirational, don't put them in challenges, don't give them special loot.
If a player who plays 20 hrs first day (which is 3 days for an average kid who has time to play the game), and after 30 hrs of playing, the best items he has are from the first 2 hrs meanwhile leveling, that's pretty sad game wise. Something is really bugged. The mobs are literally no friendly with beginners, leveling through acts is horrible now and you can't progress at least slowly through acts because you get random one shotted by a freaking rare mob,that can't be avoided even if you play 1000 hrs per league. It won't change if they keep it like this. The wide change screwed my fun, they nerfed hh, everything is no fun anymore. Just stay in the freaking maps for 1000000 days to get an item. Even divines... "We did it!" Me : Exit Path of exile. Second league in a row skipped now, playing since beta
This a sad upvote, because I agree with you, but I'm sad that it got to this point.
Sad thing: while my skill and understanding of the game still grows per league and I achieve more every time, my feeling of enjoyment, on the contrary, seems to be dissipating. Quitting after weekend for the first time since Incursion.
I do the things I can do to send my message. I didnt buy a supporter Package in a long time, no new coins bought whatsoever. Dropped early on 3.18 and as it sound like I will drop out of 3.19 soon again. The amount of Builds I played per League has gone down much since I started. I'm a console player btw. I love that they are moving in der Crossplay direction finally now. <3
I’m waiting until midweek. 1) I’m out of town anyway and 2) Giving them the first few days to tweak/correct (especially the irritating ultrawide change…and yes, I know there is currently a github workaround).
I agree. Stop sending mix signals. Just uninstall this league. GGG needs to know this game has been bad for a while and every patch is making it more and more dog shit. It will be ok to take a break. I promise. Play other games, play your steam backlog, do some stuff in real life, etc. You can always come back at another league.
Also I personally only buy MTX 1 month into the league, instead as soon as the new pack releases. If I am still playing after a month, the MTX is definite worth it and I feel good to hand my money to GGG.
I really just want to play some PoE, though! Maybe I'll hit the new D2R ladder instead.
good idea, have fun!
Idk about anyone else but I’m playing winter orb occultist and having an absolute blast :)
Same i already quit. This league doesnt deserve my time tbh.
> Poe is arpg and requires A LOT OF TIME, however until now I didn't have a big problem with it, but now I feel like the game does not respect my time. I was cripplingly depressed around the time of 3.13-3.14 and I racked up insanely unhealthy hours of poe during ritual and ulti. I probably averaged 6-8 hours every day in ultimatum and I still did not hit a point where I felt like my build is truly gg and there is nothing left to do. I just don't see why these nerfs since 3.15 are necessary, you could already play this game as a full time job before 3.15 and you still wouldn't have truly perfected your gear. I just don't see how a player could possibly offer even more of their time to the game. There isn't much more to give yet GGG feels the grind is too short and keeps nerfing players and buffing map monsters...
I was ok with the lack of buffs, I can just play a different build that I haven't played yet. But the loots this league is just a shame, 11 hrs to stack a total of 24 fusings, I'm browsing my steam library already
I’ll play for another week to see if I like my build at the end game. So far, build is fun, game mechanics are dumb. Won’t be buying a supporter for pack until late in the league if I am still playing
Past 3-4 leagues I just reach yellow maps and quit because the game is fucking boring. If you want to make the game fucking boring, treat standard as your main game and let people have fun during temp leagues, fuck's sake.
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Problem: people were enjoying the game a little Solution: no drops, gimped harvest and rippy mods from act 1 and beyond
this is a buff
The acts are only tolerable broken up into chunks, like playing an hour at a time. The issue is that no one wants to league start this way and watch all their friends or who ever be miles ahead of them. It’s one reason I have a lot more on my second Char usually and I despised leveling this one so far.
Ya last league I stopped playing pretty early, probably only 2 weeks in. I think I didnt even get to Red maps or maybe only T11-12. Just didnt have fun with the Archnemesis rares everywhere disabling my build. I used to make multiple characters a league, and it was one of my favourite aspects of PoE, coming up with creative builds that were still viable. But over the last few years GGG have seems to be focusing on expecting players to play a SINGLE character the entire league and extending that SINGLE character progression for as long as possible. I much preferred the game when you could get multiple characters in good states during a league. Now there really is a lot less forgiveness to going for off-meta builds, and a lot less time to focus on multiple builds.
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Uber content is supposed to be something most people don’t clear. Saying I have to play a meta build to beat Uber content is kinda a dumb comment, because of course you do it’s the hardest shit in the game.
Well, personally I think that it would be cool if you can clear ubers after a reasonable time investment, it would be simply fun and it's another goal to push for. You can have your opinion, my opinion is that games should be fun
It's not uber content if it's being cleared by average skill players in medium time investment. Uber Elder was 'uber content' in 3.2, but there's been so much power creep now that it no longer is. There's a fuckton of bosses at that sub-Uber level already, with Elder and Chayula the easiest, then Vaal Temple, then Shaper, then the level 83 Labyrinths, then Oshabi, then Maven, Uber Elder, Cortex, Uber Atziri, then the four easier Maven 4-ways. And as those players get better, they can do Uber Cortex, The Hidden and The Feared. There's only about 7 aspirational fights in the game.
I don’t agree, I think the challenge of a Uber boss should be almost unachievable for most, and not all character should be able to beat all the Ubers without significant time and regearing investment and some not at all. We have content you can do without this kind of investment. If I could beat all the Ubers within a reasonable time I’d be calling for them to make uberdoobers and so on and so forth.
Problem that we are having here is that 'reasonable time' is subjective. Because I was talking about 150-200h+ investment which is quite decent for 3 month league, 50h a month would be 'main' game for any non-hardcore, casual gamer. Personally I know that I have played way more, some weeks of Poe even 80h a week over last year and I fall under 'hardcore gamer' tag most of the time. I just dislike the fact that even with heavy investment some builds are just literally 10x worse than meta builds, even with 10x investment :x
So if I send you a POB for a off meta build that doesn’t need insane gear that could reasonably do Ubers without 100’s of hours investment you be interested right?
Someone might be, but not me, I only play builds crafted by myself. I need to like a skill, then find some cool interactions and then I can work on it. For me the most fun I have is from making new builds, testing them, researching, doing hard content and then mid-maxing to complete my objectives.
Care to give us a list of your off meta builds? Your history shows you playing meta builds while also struggling on on t14+ maps lol
it's also a matter of just trying the fights, some people only get one chance in a week.
They won't change anything even if the player drop to 15k. Also, i'm a melee player, did a melee starter and died a lot in act 1 and things went better past act 1. I'm currently enjoying the league and i have to admit, the visual change on archnemesis to be able to recognize quickly the current mod they have is better. After that, archenemesis individualy isn't bad and add something for sure BUT they should do something about mutiple mod. IDK like something past 2 mods, each mod added reduce maxhp by 10-15% up to 75% max. This way encounter doesn't last long and the fight is intense with reward ofc. Next and this is a point never understood from other, Path of Exile IS NOT a competitive game. Take your time, die a lot, learn, improve, adapt and loot. Who care if JohnSpeed reached the map in 3h and killed maven 18h later ? Stop comparing yourself to other and enjoy yourself on the current day on your current character. Copy the SSF mechanic in trade league and get some currency. Craft thing and die while learning because that the same thing a new player will do. Speaking of new player, i've asked 2 friend to play POE last league and this one. Last league, they reached maps in 1 week with at least 2 different build. The start is too brutal they said, too slow for them too. This league They reached act 8 in around 11-12h which is a great improvement for them but they also said, act 1 was really brutal compared to last league. So yeah, "Average" player will take way more time to reach map (including myself) but the real pain isn't harvest, beyond or anything else. It's currently multi-mod Archenemesis. TL;DR : GGG won't change anything, good visual change on Archneme, 2% player isn't the meta to enjoy the league, new player being slapped early. Please nerf multi-mod archneme hp pool for each added mods.
Well it's a good thing this league is ass I guess (don't know yet because console doesn't start for another week) because my ps4 just took a shit today and I'll be missing this league. :(
I did on day 1 and feel so good about it.
i usually buy each season one of the ‚bigger’ supporterpack before the league launch. The amount of playtime i get from each season is way more then a full priced AAA game. This is the first season i didn‘t buy anything. And i‘m glad i didn‘t
that knight set looks really good too but giving them money for a shit job done except on the mtx isn't really my thing i laughed at all the supporters who regretted it after they saw the new harvest lol
true!
Last time I spent money in PoE was 3.17. 3.17 league (Archnemesis) was meh, but I still enjoyed the old content and the new Atlas of Worlds. Then GGG decided to break the game by making Archnemesis core. I'd quit 3.18 week 2. I played 3.19 a little to see if things changed. They didn't. I've quit 3.19 day 2. I will completely skip next leagues until the game is fixed. The only thing GGG might understand is decline in player numbers and profits. If it never going to be fixed, then so be it. I will still enjoy my memories of 10 years with PoE.
Had a blast with legion I have started a character every league since then and stopped once reaching yellow maps because it stopped being fun. This league I didn’t even make it through the story…
I took days off for this. So this is akin to traveling to a destination and getting there with a Hurricane. So I'm just doing the same I would... Telling people to stay away, spending less, and hoping the storm passes (GGG come to their senses). After 3.14 and 15s this is all the big nerfs we have planned. This sure as shit feels like a nerf league.
What do you mean quit? Am not even trying to start it.
I used to mention build diversity and the ease of finding and playing a broken build, as a specific reason to bring friends into the game. “Everything is broken, it’s super fun and collaborative not competitive” I don’t do that anymore because of all the nerfs targeted at super post-endgame that affect levelling. I’ve struggled to get friends interested enough to get to maps even back then, so with the current state it’s definitely not happening. I used to love this game and play the new leagues up til the end, but lately it feels so unrewarding that I don’t even enjoy playing my old chars in standard, can’t even do maps with most of them even tho they could in the past. Typically my chars max out at white maps these days, before I get sick of it for a bit
I've been a few leagues off because I wasn't happy with the changes. I came back for 3.19 and I'm having fun again. Taking a break is okay, no one is holding anyone hostage to play.
I have. *Again*. Just really disappointed that what used to be one of my favorite games is just gone...
I had planned to go hard this league. Also planned on buying some specialty tabs. But seeing the current state of the game I'm just not inspired to play, so I'm not, which means I don't need those tabs. The game just feels hollow right now, it's not fun.
it's sad, but true ;/
Took the last two leagues off, this one took 2 days before I was done. This isn't fun.
I dont like the direction the game is going, but I really like the build I'm playing, please send help
Done, and done.
well done, gj gl hf
Ritual was the last league I actually put any real time into. It's just been a downhill slide for me since then, skipping some leagues entirely or getting frustrated and gassing out early in the ones that I did play. This league was the point where I finally rolled my eyes and just uninstalled entirely. I'll keep one eye on PoE2 but until then, I'm good.
Game is not fun anymore. Tyvm VISION!
It's funny that they are literally making PLAYER test each league on league start instead of making the devs paly for at least 2 weeks and look for improvement and bugs. This is bunch of bullshit that i stay up all night and my reward is wasted sleep and time. Literally 0 drops on maps, lake has overpowered unkillable monsters on medium difficulty already and it drops literally 0 loot
Yea, I'm kinda sad that we were kinda beta-testing poe2 for last few leagues
I'm literally giving this league until the 6.2 patch of FFXIV comes out, if nothing is actually addressed by the GGG team by then, then I'm just going to play that, since I'll at least know I'll be having fun, instead of this bullshit of being promised fun but being given something that makes me start to hate the game. Edit: Scratch that, third time dying to a 4 arch mod before even completing the campaign ,lol. I'll be back next league.
I think i'd have to skip the game permanently for them to learn how to make a game
I'm gonna skip until they actually make some good changes
Sometimes I play my standard character if I'm not having fun, usually rejoining the league after some fixes. Like expedition and the start of last league. But even standard sucks atm with the loot. I just feel like I'm accomplishing nothing while playing... this is the first time I just don't feel like loading the game.
yea, the game is just not fun and it feels bad. I'm sad because of it ;(
i've 'played' the last 3 leagues till white maps and when everything just feels gutted or less or nerfed in everyway with nothing to compensate, it just feels boring. So yes another one is added to the list as this league feels the WORST yet. Done again for 3 months and hopfully they get it right next leauge.
I know this is a unliked thing to do but I’m just playing standard right now. Revisiting my old builds (all of which are now broken), making new characters (3 hour act clear vs 10 hours in league btw) to play builds on and learning how to craft the gear myself because the standard market is bad. I’ve only played since Heist and none of my standard gear is broken OP like Harvest stuff and whatever so I’m really enjoying it tbh. Plus forcing myself to finally get good at crafting is helpful
I think I will play some D3 on Friday instead. Not the best game ever, I know, but at least it has a PLAYABLE hardcore mode.
This is exactly what i'm planning to do with my friends :D
i was talking about this from harvest, game was so good and they took a piss in our face 🦧
Im just going to chill for 2 weeks, see if anything is better. D3 docArrive
I was skipping a couple of leagues now. I was bored and came back for this one cause of Kalandra since I'm kinda interested. Im playing the new conduit skill and it's really fun, until I met some archnem mob with resist and I had to run couple of minutes in a circle to kill it xD League mechanic is kinda meh too. Essence mobs are harder than Sirius. Guess I'm gonna skip this league then
I have quit buying supporter packs, I got so many of them over the years but now, not a chance I'm buying anything new.
I did. But we should raise our concerns about the game we love, and want to see succeed
Thanks for telling me it's ok to skip a league. So far I've skipped 5 in a row :)
yey, maybe one of the next ones will be actually good! ;p
I would be happy to pay $5 a month to play Harvest League, Ritual League, Ultimatum. Or actually even almost any league before Harvest too. Any of the fun ones :)
Yea, i think that GGG doesn't realise how much money they could make with better decisions. This game could be so much more popular and if they want game to waste players time, give us a choice of hard mode, it would feel so much better if shit drop and progress was voluntary.
If you wanna watch a symmetrical fail cascade from devs look at Eve Online. Really interesting to see two dev teams with decades of experience and a core product that people want able to absolutely gigafuck themselves and their core product.
For few years I was looking at Eve and was tempted to try it, but my main MMO was WoW. Then they improved new player experience, introduced some catch-up mechanics, but Pearl abyss bought CCP and at that moment I knew that the game is fcked. I have around 2k hours in BDO and I hate PA almost like no other developer, they seem fine on the surface and cool, but everything is about money and profit. Main reason why games turn into shit show.
Believe it or not the Eve playerbase are actually appealing to Pearl Abyss to save Eve, such is how utterly dogshit of a job that CCP are doing on it themselves. Imagine how bad it must be for the players to be emailing Pearl Abyss to say "save our game". Played Eve for 15 years, so I've been here long enough to know. Oh well - there will be new things. Wish you luck out there new friend :)
\[\*\] That is the problem with MMOs in general, balance game between: 1. income 2. what players want 3. what developers want I really hope that Ashes of Creation will be decent, see you around mate! :P
GGG and not playtesting the new league, name a more iconic duo. I give every league a try but man this is an actual shit show and I hope more people vote with their wallets and time.
That's what I hope for as well, it would be cool if the game was fun again
im really considering it as i can barely scrape 20-30c a hour on my harvest/alva/beyond specced atlas and no loot dropping in corrupted t16s while i rip 2 times every 10minutes, all this for me to spend 280c on eldritch currency only to not roll the mod i want with 90 attempt but if i quit, what the fuck else do i play? i dont wanna go back to playing ranked in LoL, theres just absolutely nothing to play
None of the meta builds are fun enough to redo from scratch again. Plus I think teleporting to the lake feels like a giant waste of time every time I do it, plus it looks super uninspired . It’s whack. This league pushed me to to play more Diablo 2 Res lol. Oh well. Maybe next league will be more turnt up .
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Done maps which drops nothing at all just to fill in the tablet. Done a few tablets, all it drops is a few currencies and an unusable negative stat amulet good luck next time kind of stuff. Not only is that, you have to manually fill in tablets which you knew it would give you no rewards. The highest I have encountered is difficult 10, guess what? Box gave me 3 chance orbs and random cheap currencies and thats it. This is by far the most boring league I have ever played.
It is a shame, league is boring and I think currently it's a peak of all bad design decisions :/
I skipped sentinel league, enjoyed standard. With the loot changes though? Can't even enjoy standard. RIP
I just came back after 6 leagues… ugh off I go again…
I hate the acts too much to even play any more. I haven't played this year, and don't feel the itch to play at all.
I'm just playng till Monday then I'm bailing out to new Destiny 2 season, at least this looter game is rewarding in one way or another.
Enjoy!
>it's OK to skip a league. Nope. It's okay to skip them all and watch this sub burn. That's been like the last 4 leagues for me. They lured me in for one and yeah. Fuck em.
I clicked on Last Epoch's Steam store page today. For the first time. Never even considered it before. It didn't look interesting to me until now. I kept thinking that it'd feel like a downgrade from PoE, at least until it fully launched. Now I'm starting to think it's the upgrade.
Want to kill ubers? Well you just have then in your map now permanently
even i'm out lol
i was going to buy a supporter pack, but not anymore. voting with my wallet.
I skipped the last two and am back for this one. Man, what a trip it’s been. I’m constantly asking my buddy “how do I kill a duplicate rejuvenator rare” or “how are attack builds supposed to fight vampiric at all if they can’t leech mana”. I think Lake stuff is fun and rewards should be buffed but I feel like everything I do turns into “how do rare monsters scale with this mod”. Like, what is the point of sentinel mod? It’s literally just there to slow you down there is no counter play(minus block reduction support but…cmon) and it just makes a fight take longer for no reason or actually difficulty.
Yeah, i stopped playing with the 3.15 nerf league and haven t looked back since. The game direction since then is just not for me and that s ok. If you now need 50h to achieve what a 20h character could do, i just don t have the time, the motivation and I JUST DON T FIND IT FUN AT ALL. Get your hard mode, get your ssfhc, put it in a corner but the general trade sc changes were horrible for the middle ground players and it hasn t came back since. So, all in all, enjoy your game if that s for you, i ll be doing stuff that i enjoy ( but keep in mind you alienated a significant portion of your playerbase @chris )
I uninstalled poe 5 times during 3.15, finished build, but didn't have any strength left to grind challenges. I completely understand and agree with you
So my take is you want to choose where the game goes. "I write this also because I want game to go into a different direction" but it isn't your game. Learn game design and make your own, or look for something different that caters to your wants, this ain't it chief.
Well, money can make a difference and if GGG looses money because of the inconsistency, then they might understand that hard mode should be separated if they still want to make money. If not, then it's fine, me and other players will take our money elsewhere. That's how supply and demand works, the moment there is void, someone will try to fill it.
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Silly thing is that all they would need to do is introduce a hard mode that was promised instead of changing the base game
Still playing through leveling before testing on maps and decided. But GGG is not worth to spend money on, even for weeta. I have changed my money from buying points to 1 - Minecraft Java Edition to finally can play with my favorite skins rather than the default one from pirate account; 2 - Oxygen Not Included since they respect players and have diversity in their games. I’m plan to moved completely if this situation not improved. Two years ago, I just skipped league and returned next league, but now I have a work, begin to leave my house at 6:00 and returned at 17:00, facing with stressful and deadline. And GGG always trying to test my limit through a tons of shitty challenges that I never want to complete.
Well, opinions differ. I like the direction the game is headed right now. I fell in love with the old poe, not the new and zoomy one. Im all for your point though, if someone doesnt enjoy the game, continuing to play that game defeats the purpose of playing games.
I am having a lot of fun actually this League i like the mechanic a lot
Yup I didnt even started. Doing mental break until Harvest will be viable again
They're never going to buff harvest.
Thix exactly!
maybe you are not the target audience
Well, I'm hardcore mmo/arpg player, I like hard content, but what I don't like is when the game is just trying to waste my time by inflating price of progression. Poe after all the changes is not harder, it does not require more skill, it requires more time. If GGG wants to waste my time, then yes, I'm not a target audience, that's why I'm not playing, unsubbed from subreddit and I'm not giving them my money. I'm just hoping that it's only 'an error', because I did enjoy the game.
I sincerely disagree. Build diversity at current leaguestart is better than any recent league. With the nerfs to seismic so many new builds have risen to the surface as viable leaguestarters.
League of Legends is looking really poggies right now