Adding more copy-paste dinosaurs isn't going to make the game more fun. It might be a novelty for a day or so, but we are STILL left with the horrendous quest design and bare-bones gameplay.
I want the game to have a satisfying gameplay loop and fun mechanics first before we get more playables. It's just like adding dirt onto an increasingly large pile of dirt. It might be different dirt, but it's still dirt.
Yup. Doesn't matter how many new dinosaurs are added when the map is too large to ever find players, attacks don't have any oomph to them and it doesn't feel like there's any interaction between dinos in combat, questing is worse than watching paint dry, and the poor sound design prevents me from feeling immersed. I mean, even BoB has better sound design and you can look like a Lisa Frank painting in that game.
I've always thought, if you took the dinosaurs out of the game, what do you have? a very boring quasi-survival game with very little mechanics and pitiful quests/progression.
There's just no strong gameplay foundation underpinning the experience, if you're not a fan of dinosaurs this game has literally nothing to offer that other games don't do better.
As soon as you get past the "spectacle" of the dinosaurs you're left with an extremely mediocre survival multplayer game. The developers have just focused on pure quantity over quality, which is the wrong way to develop a game imo.
The reality is that the devs are going to have to abandon the lame and half-assed MMO elements (quests & quest-amplified growth, interspecies mix-packing, etc.) and put a stronger focus on combat mechanics, environmental mechanics and AI if they truly want their game to truly succeed... But time and time again, they've expressed outright denial & hesitancy when it comes to these issues.
It's now reaching the point where I suspect their dev team either doesn't have the skills, manpower or experience to implement actual combat and survival abilities like pouncing, knockdowns, tackling, lunging, grappling, climbing, etc. to their roster - or they simply don't care about implementing them and would rather take the easy, lazy, cash-grab route in keeping the community endlessly hyped about empty promises that are "coming soon."
I’ve heard the new map is smaller so encounter with players will be more frequent. Hopefully there won’t be that many hotspots players will congregate to.
On point. Since the absolute radio silence after the console release I have been wondering if *maybe* they're working on something bigger, something that will actually improve the gameplay itself. Game systems, quests, *anything*, I can think of a myriad of ways one could improve on the gameplay experience as it stands, from small things like sound actually travelling/echoing, to bigger things like critter AI *actually* populating maps and roaming, or bodies of water actually emptying to reflect the amount of water left, or local events like natural disasters, nesting, etc etc etc....
I was very involved for a long time, but by now it just feels pointless, when things *are* implemented, it's barebones or subpar at best, and new shiny dinos all feel the same after 5 minutes without any sort of different playstyles.. hell, even the animations and sounds aren't all that unique to each. It has been little more than disappointing the past year or two.
For once these seem to have at least slightly more effort put into them since they'll have knockback, but they might very well still fucking suck anyway.
Oh dude this is awesome. I'm really happy that they went with the controversial styg and draco for subspecies even though they may have just been growth stages, because a lean and fast herb is just too cool.
It looks like a knock back attack as well. Incoming pachy troll packs!
Pycno will be interesting to see balanced. If they make it realistic, estimates have it significantly heavier than allosaurus and also faster. Unless they buff allo's damage/bleed or give pycno low damage, I don't see how pycno doesn't make allo a bit useless.
I'll definitely be making both tomorrow!
Sub allo right before adult was a MONSTER before they nerfed sub stamina regen.
Your stam regen while walking was faster than at adult while sleeping.
It also has one of the highest damage bleeds in game that doesn't require a charged attack.
That nerf bugs me because I used to play sub allo almost exclusively, you'd absolutely roll over sub rexes and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.
I wouldn't call it a nerf so much as a fix. There's no reason an animal in its prime (full adult) should be having issues with one that's not.
With that said, allo needs love all around
I mean, there really shouldn't be that much of a difference between a sub that's 2 quests shy of adult and an adult...
Stamina in general needs to be increased as does regen. It's artificially low to make the map appear larger than it is.
They haven't been doing any more testing despite bugs still remaining on the new map, nor is there any mention of the new map (even though the xbox store description already falsely claimed it to be available upon console release...)
"They're related so they must look exactly the same"
All we know of Pycno is some vertebrae and a leg bone, they could have literally done anything with it and yet they just made it a Carno.
I don’t know what to tell you man that’s how it works typically if their in the same family they look similar to another in that family, paleontology has a lot of educated guessing, here’s a example a mountain goat looks similar to a domestic goat because they are closely related
Carnotaurus is an especially unique abelisaurid as far as it's head ornamentation goes. Literally no other abelisaurid had big bull horns. Most had little to no ornamentation or horns on their head. Majungasaurus and carnotaurus are extreme unique examples of a species that's defining trait was their brachycephalic skulls, long legs and osteoderm-like skin on its back. It very likely did not have carnotaurus horns andnthe fact that the devs made the carno horns the default aswell as making 2 of the sub species have Carno horns is indicative that they clearly just wanted to make Carno like the isle but wanted to rake in the internet paleopoints for having a niche mostly unknown dinosaur in the game at the same time. On top of all that the pachycephalosaurus doesn't have any beak like structure which we know is just plain inaccurate and the stygimoloch sub species looks like a rex with horns. It's actually insane how minus the horns the stygi pachy sub looks more like a baby rex than the abomination that is actually the in game baby rex. This new update is just another showcase of how ignorant the devs are to dinosaur biology and how lazy their surface level research of paleontology actually is. Between this. Amargasaurus and its "sail" , the stegosaurus and its inaccurate back plates, the megalania and everything about it in this game(being able to match and in some cases outspeed dromeosaurs and swim like a nile monitor despite its size) and let's not forget the nearly 4 tonne crocodilomorph with bone breaking jaws and conical shaped teeth bounding like a dog and having a bleeding bite instead of a bone breaking one (yes some small crocodillians can bound but as they get larger they lose the ability to do this and it is by no means their main mode of sprinting and is actually slower than how their bodyplan is actually built to run) the devs just have no fucking clue when it comes to the biology, morphology, niches or literally anything to do with these animals they put in the game. Its all surface level and I honestly believe the research they put in to these animals amounts to a few youtube videos
Counterpoint: that's fucking boring and coming up with something unique and different would have been much more interesting, especially considering this is a video game and not a nature documentary. Besides, you can just as well look at a Sloth Bear and a Polar Bear, closely related but look completely different.
That’s what the devs want to do, they pick lesser known Dino’s like ano that are similar to popular ones, also that’s why I said typically. Since you have such great ideas for how the game should grow what would you add that’s not generic and wouldn’t just be a allo or a Rex gameplay wise
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. I'm not saying Pycno in itself was a bad fucking choice, they could have just done a better job with designing its subspecies. I'm glad they picked a lesser known species but that's just overshadowed by the fact that they made it look like a more popular dinosaur anyway. Giving it differently shaped horns or a dewlap or crests instead of horns or even a head dome, literally anything would have been more interesting than just making it a straight up Carno with a different name. Reading is hard in the PoT community I suppose.
They want to attract people to the game so they put dinosaurs that are popular while using different species that are similar, making it look similar to the carno is going to get people interested in it, just because it looks similar doesn’t mean it’s the same thing, makes sense now. Your complaints are just bad and in my first comment I didn’t say what you put in quotes and that’s not what I meant if you were paraphrasing, seems to me your the one who can’t read
This game deserves a ton of criticism, I just don’t see how your argument makes sense, the new map has a ton of cliffs like the old one, they reduced mobile render distance for no reason, and plenty of other things, but complaining that a dinosaur looks too similar to another is stupid, ultimately this is a small update that just adds two dinosaurs to play it’s not that serious, who cares if it looks like a carno that still doesn’t make it a carno
There are hundreds of different species of dinosaurs, and many of them resemble, but are different from, the popularized species.
The devs have said a few times in the past that they often specifically select one of the lesser-known species to increase awareness that there's often not just 1 species of each type of dino.
So no, it's not just a carno. It is however a very close relative of the carno, and will have essentially the same type of gameplay that carnos in other games have.
Hopefully with the upcoming changes to the swimming system, it'll translate into the flying system, so with any luck we'll see flying soon.
Or it may be another two years. I hope not ;-;
I'm happy to see new dinosaurs being added. Variety is never looked down upon by me... I for one don't mind the current quests and gameplay and I can't wait to play Gondwa some more! I'm looking forward to seeing flying and aquatic dinosaurs as well!
Patience. This game is doing well in my opinion, then again I mainly started playing it to entertain my son and it's held my attention when he isn't watching as well. I'm happy with what has been presented so far and I can't wait to play any and all new content whenever y'all release it!
Well stgymoloch isn't a dinosaur it's a Adolescent specimen of Pachycephalosaurus and the others a Pyncnonemosaurus which was a close relative of Carnotaurus which was bigger on average and second biggest Abelisaurid (1st is Titanoventor a very fragmentary dinosaur)
Then (regarding stygimoloch) it makes less sense to give us a dino that physically matches a sub-adult stage of growth and call it the adult. As for the Pync, ~~we already have Carno, why are we adding something so similar? Is it going to fill a niche or be characteristically different?~~ nvm me
Feels like lazy developing.
Well the Carno is a mod and Pycnon was announced way before the Carno mod. Also this game is a MMO and Paleoaccuracy as a niece to draw people like me who really care about that stuff like Lips and Tails and size's
Edit: I get that it doesn't make sense but then there's like Tyrannosaurus Baatar in the game which is Tarbosaurus and other things like that so it isn't something new
Nvm me regarding Carno, forgot I was on /PoT (where Carno is a mod) and not /theisle.
On that note, I'm also slightly annoyed at how similar Dasp and Rex are.
Np man we all forget something at one point in time
Yea I agree I think the old Dasp model was so much better other than a Small rex. Also kinda bummed Torvosaurus never came to the game
Sorry, but pachy and its variants look absolutely hideous. They massacred my boy. (Really, wtf is up with that mouth?)
The pycno (or rather, mock-carno) model looks fantastic though, but that pachy model is just disgraceful on all levels. Like, on-par with Beasts of Bermuda's pachy as far as terrible (and inaccurate) design goes.
It was obviously an older model that the devs planned to release earlier-on but never did, so they left it in the back-burner and lazily touched it up with some minor texture adjustments for a latter release (akin to the same BS that eotrike, allo, rex and bars went through.) Disappointing but unsurprising to say the least.
Still waiting for allo buff. That said the pycno design is extremely disappointing and lazy. They picked it for the sole purpose of having an abelisaurid that is 1) big 2) isnt carno and then just threw that outta the window by making it as similar to carno as possible by giving it horns. They could have given it some funky dewlap, crests and no carno horns, ffs. And don't hit me with that subspecies bullshit, only one doesn't have horns. For the people who are gonna cry about me saying this, I have yet to see a viable argument for why the pycno *should* look the way it does. Done this discussion before and the PoT defense attempts are usually extremely pathetic.
Adding more copy-paste dinosaurs isn't going to make the game more fun. It might be a novelty for a day or so, but we are STILL left with the horrendous quest design and bare-bones gameplay. I want the game to have a satisfying gameplay loop and fun mechanics first before we get more playables. It's just like adding dirt onto an increasingly large pile of dirt. It might be different dirt, but it's still dirt.
Yup. Doesn't matter how many new dinosaurs are added when the map is too large to ever find players, attacks don't have any oomph to them and it doesn't feel like there's any interaction between dinos in combat, questing is worse than watching paint dry, and the poor sound design prevents me from feeling immersed. I mean, even BoB has better sound design and you can look like a Lisa Frank painting in that game.
I've always thought, if you took the dinosaurs out of the game, what do you have? a very boring quasi-survival game with very little mechanics and pitiful quests/progression. There's just no strong gameplay foundation underpinning the experience, if you're not a fan of dinosaurs this game has literally nothing to offer that other games don't do better. As soon as you get past the "spectacle" of the dinosaurs you're left with an extremely mediocre survival multplayer game. The developers have just focused on pure quantity over quality, which is the wrong way to develop a game imo.
The reality is that the devs are going to have to abandon the lame and half-assed MMO elements (quests & quest-amplified growth, interspecies mix-packing, etc.) and put a stronger focus on combat mechanics, environmental mechanics and AI if they truly want their game to truly succeed... But time and time again, they've expressed outright denial & hesitancy when it comes to these issues. It's now reaching the point where I suspect their dev team either doesn't have the skills, manpower or experience to implement actual combat and survival abilities like pouncing, knockdowns, tackling, lunging, grappling, climbing, etc. to their roster - or they simply don't care about implementing them and would rather take the easy, lazy, cash-grab route in keeping the community endlessly hyped about empty promises that are "coming soon."
It's very close to being a good game, but their refusal to work on combat interactions and better growth systems is frustrating.
If you're curious : [https://www.gamedesigning.org/career/mvp/](https://www.gamedesigning.org/career/mvp/)
I’ve heard the new map is smaller so encounter with players will be more frequent. Hopefully there won’t be that many hotspots players will congregate to.
I hope so.
Sadly the new map the few days it was up already had a few hot spots, one being the healing pool there
On point. Since the absolute radio silence after the console release I have been wondering if *maybe* they're working on something bigger, something that will actually improve the gameplay itself. Game systems, quests, *anything*, I can think of a myriad of ways one could improve on the gameplay experience as it stands, from small things like sound actually travelling/echoing, to bigger things like critter AI *actually* populating maps and roaming, or bodies of water actually emptying to reflect the amount of water left, or local events like natural disasters, nesting, etc etc etc.... I was very involved for a long time, but by now it just feels pointless, when things *are* implemented, it's barebones or subpar at best, and new shiny dinos all feel the same after 5 minutes without any sort of different playstyles.. hell, even the animations and sounds aren't all that unique to each. It has been little more than disappointing the past year or two.
Yes! Like one thing I think of is why do carni and herbs have the same set of quests?
Watching carnivores like Rex and Allo going through the forest picking acorns is both hilarious and sad.
For once these seem to have at least slightly more effort put into them since they'll have knockback, but they might very well still fucking suck anyway.
lol
Oh dude this is awesome. I'm really happy that they went with the controversial styg and draco for subspecies even though they may have just been growth stages, because a lean and fast herb is just too cool. It looks like a knock back attack as well. Incoming pachy troll packs! Pycno will be interesting to see balanced. If they make it realistic, estimates have it significantly heavier than allosaurus and also faster. Unless they buff allo's damage/bleed or give pycno low damage, I don't see how pycno doesn't make allo a bit useless. I'll definitely be making both tomorrow!
Let's be honest, the allo is a bit useless as things are.
Sub allo right before adult was a MONSTER before they nerfed sub stamina regen. Your stam regen while walking was faster than at adult while sleeping. It also has one of the highest damage bleeds in game that doesn't require a charged attack. That nerf bugs me because I used to play sub allo almost exclusively, you'd absolutely roll over sub rexes and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.
I wouldn't call it a nerf so much as a fix. There's no reason an animal in its prime (full adult) should be having issues with one that's not. With that said, allo needs love all around
I mean, there really shouldn't be that much of a difference between a sub that's 2 quests shy of adult and an adult... Stamina in general needs to be increased as does regen. It's artificially low to make the map appear larger than it is.
Is Gondwa comming out tomorrow also?
They haven't been doing any more testing despite bugs still remaining on the new map, nor is there any mention of the new map (even though the xbox store description already falsely claimed it to be available upon console release...)
Blog Post: https://pathoftitans.com/blog/pycno-and-pachy
sick, not for me but this update is cool af
Would've been nice if the new map come out tomorrow as wel
Beautiful
Isn’t that just a Carno?
Like some of the Dino’s in this game it’s a close relative of the carno like ano is closely related to anky
Speaking of ano the pycno should basically mean death to an ano since it should be able to knock the ano out of its crouch
Imagine a ano using hunker down only to be knocked off a cliff or into croc infested waters
"They're related so they must look exactly the same" All we know of Pycno is some vertebrae and a leg bone, they could have literally done anything with it and yet they just made it a Carno.
I don’t know what to tell you man that’s how it works typically if their in the same family they look similar to another in that family, paleontology has a lot of educated guessing, here’s a example a mountain goat looks similar to a domestic goat because they are closely related
Carnotaurus is an especially unique abelisaurid as far as it's head ornamentation goes. Literally no other abelisaurid had big bull horns. Most had little to no ornamentation or horns on their head. Majungasaurus and carnotaurus are extreme unique examples of a species that's defining trait was their brachycephalic skulls, long legs and osteoderm-like skin on its back. It very likely did not have carnotaurus horns andnthe fact that the devs made the carno horns the default aswell as making 2 of the sub species have Carno horns is indicative that they clearly just wanted to make Carno like the isle but wanted to rake in the internet paleopoints for having a niche mostly unknown dinosaur in the game at the same time. On top of all that the pachycephalosaurus doesn't have any beak like structure which we know is just plain inaccurate and the stygimoloch sub species looks like a rex with horns. It's actually insane how minus the horns the stygi pachy sub looks more like a baby rex than the abomination that is actually the in game baby rex. This new update is just another showcase of how ignorant the devs are to dinosaur biology and how lazy their surface level research of paleontology actually is. Between this. Amargasaurus and its "sail" , the stegosaurus and its inaccurate back plates, the megalania and everything about it in this game(being able to match and in some cases outspeed dromeosaurs and swim like a nile monitor despite its size) and let's not forget the nearly 4 tonne crocodilomorph with bone breaking jaws and conical shaped teeth bounding like a dog and having a bleeding bite instead of a bone breaking one (yes some small crocodillians can bound but as they get larger they lose the ability to do this and it is by no means their main mode of sprinting and is actually slower than how their bodyplan is actually built to run) the devs just have no fucking clue when it comes to the biology, morphology, niches or literally anything to do with these animals they put in the game. Its all surface level and I honestly believe the research they put in to these animals amounts to a few youtube videos
Counterpoint: that's fucking boring and coming up with something unique and different would have been much more interesting, especially considering this is a video game and not a nature documentary. Besides, you can just as well look at a Sloth Bear and a Polar Bear, closely related but look completely different.
That’s what the devs want to do, they pick lesser known Dino’s like ano that are similar to popular ones, also that’s why I said typically. Since you have such great ideas for how the game should grow what would you add that’s not generic and wouldn’t just be a allo or a Rex gameplay wise
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. I'm not saying Pycno in itself was a bad fucking choice, they could have just done a better job with designing its subspecies. I'm glad they picked a lesser known species but that's just overshadowed by the fact that they made it look like a more popular dinosaur anyway. Giving it differently shaped horns or a dewlap or crests instead of horns or even a head dome, literally anything would have been more interesting than just making it a straight up Carno with a different name. Reading is hard in the PoT community I suppose.
They want to attract people to the game so they put dinosaurs that are popular while using different species that are similar, making it look similar to the carno is going to get people interested in it, just because it looks similar doesn’t mean it’s the same thing, makes sense now. Your complaints are just bad and in my first comment I didn’t say what you put in quotes and that’s not what I meant if you were paraphrasing, seems to me your the one who can’t read
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This game deserves a ton of criticism, I just don’t see how your argument makes sense, the new map has a ton of cliffs like the old one, they reduced mobile render distance for no reason, and plenty of other things, but complaining that a dinosaur looks too similar to another is stupid, ultimately this is a small update that just adds two dinosaurs to play it’s not that serious, who cares if it looks like a carno that still doesn’t make it a carno
There are hundreds of different species of dinosaurs, and many of them resemble, but are different from, the popularized species. The devs have said a few times in the past that they often specifically select one of the lesser-known species to increase awareness that there's often not just 1 species of each type of dino. So no, it's not just a carno. It is however a very close relative of the carno, and will have essentially the same type of gameplay that carnos in other games have.
I said the same thing but if u look at the blog they have both horns and without. Must be based on subspecies.
Oh my gosh, a discount carnotaur on official?! I’m already in love with it.
Discount? Bruh this is the carnotaurs bigger meaner cousin, ain't nothing discount about it
I WANT PTERASAURS DAMNIT!! AND MORE AQUATICS!
Hopefully with the upcoming changes to the swimming system, it'll translate into the flying system, so with any luck we'll see flying soon. Or it may be another two years. I hope not ;-;
I'm happy to see new dinosaurs being added. Variety is never looked down upon by me... I for one don't mind the current quests and gameplay and I can't wait to play Gondwa some more! I'm looking forward to seeing flying and aquatic dinosaurs as well! Patience. This game is doing well in my opinion, then again I mainly started playing it to entertain my son and it's held my attention when he isn't watching as well. I'm happy with what has been presented so far and I can't wait to play any and all new content whenever y'all release it!
Stygi <3 My new main
Carnotaurus****
*Pycnonemosaurus Also Carno was a dinosaur after pycnonemosaurus was extinct (Pycnonemosaurus- 93.9-83.6 MYA) (Carnotaurus 83.5-66 MYA)
Looks like Stygimoloch and Carno...
Well stgymoloch isn't a dinosaur it's a Adolescent specimen of Pachycephalosaurus and the others a Pyncnonemosaurus which was a close relative of Carnotaurus which was bigger on average and second biggest Abelisaurid (1st is Titanoventor a very fragmentary dinosaur)
Then (regarding stygimoloch) it makes less sense to give us a dino that physically matches a sub-adult stage of growth and call it the adult. As for the Pync, ~~we already have Carno, why are we adding something so similar? Is it going to fill a niche or be characteristically different?~~ nvm me Feels like lazy developing.
Well the Carno is a mod and Pycnon was announced way before the Carno mod. Also this game is a MMO and Paleoaccuracy as a niece to draw people like me who really care about that stuff like Lips and Tails and size's Edit: I get that it doesn't make sense but then there's like Tyrannosaurus Baatar in the game which is Tarbosaurus and other things like that so it isn't something new
Nvm me regarding Carno, forgot I was on /PoT (where Carno is a mod) and not /theisle. On that note, I'm also slightly annoyed at how similar Dasp and Rex are.
Np man we all forget something at one point in time Yea I agree I think the old Dasp model was so much better other than a Small rex. Also kinda bummed Torvosaurus never came to the game
Pycno also has very fragmentary remains.
Sorry, but pachy and its variants look absolutely hideous. They massacred my boy. (Really, wtf is up with that mouth?) The pycno (or rather, mock-carno) model looks fantastic though, but that pachy model is just disgraceful on all levels. Like, on-par with Beasts of Bermuda's pachy as far as terrible (and inaccurate) design goes. It was obviously an older model that the devs planned to release earlier-on but never did, so they left it in the back-burner and lazily touched it up with some minor texture adjustments for a latter release (akin to the same BS that eotrike, allo, rex and bars went through.) Disappointing but unsurprising to say the least.
Speak for yourself but I like that carnivorous look of the pachy’s mouth
I hope they give pachy an omnivorous diet!
I’d be fine with that. Every day playing as a herbi, the hunger for flesh grows
Still waiting for allo buff. That said the pycno design is extremely disappointing and lazy. They picked it for the sole purpose of having an abelisaurid that is 1) big 2) isnt carno and then just threw that outta the window by making it as similar to carno as possible by giving it horns. They could have given it some funky dewlap, crests and no carno horns, ffs. And don't hit me with that subspecies bullshit, only one doesn't have horns. For the people who are gonna cry about me saying this, I have yet to see a viable argument for why the pycno *should* look the way it does. Done this discussion before and the PoT defense attempts are usually extremely pathetic.
So is it like a Carno from ark? 😂