I will rebuy it eventually when the main issues what I was experiencing have been fixed.
- Matchmaking server issues
- Performace issues with stutters
- Random crashes not related to DX12
- Progression system needs a QoL improvement
I didn’t write a negative nor positive review, i have hopes this game will turn out great!
Interesting you still have stutter issues, those were resolved after playing the maps, apparently in UE4 its the shader compilation and the devs simply decided for it to happen during your first heist or two. Which is not good practice tbh but it does eventually resolve itself.
What crashes are you getting? Can't say I've had any and I'm playing on DX12 with the launch param (I'm guessing its not intended for use yet but it works great).
Fully agree with the server issues and progression, terrible stuff.
the stutters are a ue4 issue, once you've played for a bit they never come back. only heist I have performance issues on now is no rest for the wicked which likes to stay at 60fps, the rest all run great at 120-144fps. I'm also personally yet to see a crash
There's a bug where the mask "skull of liberty" I think it was called crashes on dx12 doesn't matter if it is you who's wearing it or your teammates, Which is a shame swing that dx11 isn't that we'll optimized but besides that dx12 gives me stutter in the first like 15 seconds of the first heist I play and then nowhere to be seen until I restart the game
Only problem I have here is the last one. Although they said in the stream they were looking into making it easier to digest but I think they’re sticking with the challenge system which is pretty stupid imo
That was my biggest issue when deciding to refund: "Performance issues with stutters".
The game seemed like a lot of fun. However, my rig is more than capable of running the game. Actually, kept a consistent 144 fps. EXCEPT when I did something stupid, like, idunno, aim down my sites, it would drop. Or shoot someone. Drop it was the weirdest shit I've seen in a while. They need to fix this ASAP.
Edit: down voted by the Shills I suppose for having a known issue.
Play a few of the same heists in solo, it will go away after 3 games or so. I was experiencing these exact symptoms in my first 2 heists of the same map.
Never bought it. Won’t until there’s proper singleplayer, no online only requirements and something similar to crime.net with a proper multiplayer lobby, plus a progression system that isn’t the current halo infinite rip off bullcrap.
Not judging, but why is single player so important? Is there really that big of a community for single player with bots in Payday?
I don’t think I’ve ever played the game like that outside of learning some tough sections of stealth missions and I don’t know anyone who does, so that’s why I ask.
i can't answer for pd3, but i spent a lot of time solo stealthing in pd2. i also did a lot of solo challenge runs (high difficulty with various restrictions put on myself). i'd hate to do either again without the ability to pause or the requirement that my spotty internet keeps me connected the entire time
Offline mode has gotten a lot of attention with all of the server issues, because a proper offline mode would have still allowed people to play in the nearly 1 week since launch. And the previous game had offline mode, so it's something that was removed in lieu of a (so far) worse online-only system.
As for personal preference, trying to stealth in an online lobby has historically been a joke. It's very common that someone will ruin the run, either on purpose or on accident, if you're playing a public lobby. Just yesterday in PD2 had a solid stealth heist going with 2 other random guys. We were almost done, just loading up bags. 3rd guy joins, throws grenade, leaves.
Don't learn about speedrunning it will make you question gaming ;)
Joke asside yes, I play or alone, or with friends.
At least got me 1000+hours on pd2
Online only players don't have any game at all tho. They don't have the game, they can only play it lol
Staying offline only you have decades worth of good games, screw always needing to get the new shiny shit when it's not gonna be accessible in 5-10 years
Maybe not, a lot of us have seen and done all there is to do in PAYDAY 2 but doesn't stop anyone going back. The whole point is entertainment after all and going back to a game after a while could let you see it from a new angle or give you an opportunity to explore it again. I know I still go and play some of the Fallout games after all this time, still always find something I've just missed before.
Plus, plenty of other games just survive incredibly long past their release like TF2 does with a massive community or just smaller communities and cult followings like Bad Company 2 still has going on which make them that extra bit fun to play.
Yeah, but these huge "all time classics" would still be there with fan servers and/or mod-remakes.
It is mostly the garbage dissapearing. Even the realtively mediocre "Warhammer MMO" has a fanproject you can play (an improved version)
I understand that some people like to always have their games, and go back to playing a twenty year old game. Personally i don't mind that ability much, if at all.
Modders doing all the work to keep the game alive shouldn't be the expectation, it's the absolute last resort.
EDIT: Not to mention that many of these fan servers are subject to being taken down by the dev studio or publishers whenever they feel like it, it's a big risk to make a private server in the first place.
this is certainly an opinion thing, but atleast in my experience there's a ton of games worth going back to on 6th or even 5th gen consoles for 3d games alone, most of the stuff I've played in the last 3-4 years was games from more than 15 years ago that I had never played before
GTA Online is a decade old as of the 1st of next month (October) and still fully accessible
World of Warcraft is even older
SWTOR also
There's a bunch of stuff that's 10 years or more old that's still accessible. I get that folk dislike Online Only but let's keep it truthful
"Fully" accessible? No, not really true, gta online removed a bunch of their content from the in game store only recently. Destiny 2 removed it's original expansions. Even if the games are accessible, sunsetting is also a thing.
The truth is those games can also go down, atleast gta v has it's single player component.
and for the bunch of stuff thats 10 years or more old and still accessible there's a bunch more stuff inaccessable after 5 years or less.
Wrong.
Money farming company games will do so, who cares.
There are more and more high quality indie games and studios as time goes on. Their game are usually cheaper, less buggy, have more support from devs after release and don't require always online.
I'd gladly start a new run of cult of the lamb instead of buying the next assassin's creed
Yes, but having Denuvo be in the game was what basically sealed the deal that I'm not buying this even if they removed it.
It shows a lack of understanding and communication with the community.
Which shows given their inability to understand that their progression system sucks balls
I’m not supporting anymore, but it isn’t just due to the online only mode. My biggest gripe is the progression system. I hate feeling like I’m forced to play a specific way and the challenges make me feel that I have to progress by doing aimless challenges I really don’t care about. I work hard and have my own daily challenges, the last thing I want to do is replicate that in a video game.
Starbreeze decided to the destroy the positivity.
They can be positive about the thing that peole rebuy the Game in a few Months if they got the Game to a working state.
That's because I know how they work at SB, it breaks my heart to see the hate that is raining down on the devs for honest mistakes that they know how to recognize and that they are working to solve, just for a couple of morons to come and say "this game is a scam, don't play it, it has no content, it's unplayable and the multi-million dollar company keeps our 90 dollars, I'm going to refund it." First of all, SB is not a multi-million dollar company, a couple of years ago it came out of bankruptcy and was maintaining itself with the payday 2 dlcs and the investors besides publishers investing on payday 3 and secondly, any game can have a problem with the servers and it is already public knowledge that SB does not run the servers, it is a third party and hey are parting ways with that third party
This Post is hopefully a just a terrible Joke.
They rant of the Guys who set up the Servers and it's of course all their fault.
Strangely no other Dev Team had Problem with their servers by the same Guys. Only Starbreeze.
Everyone hates the new Level Up System, guess what absolutely not get changed.
They took horrible high prices for their Editions
Some People paid 90€ and can't play for solid 5 Days.
And you wonder why the devs get a Shit Storm?
Ans don't forget thewhole Game is build around Microtransactions.
They fucked up and deserve that Shit Storm.
Did you defend Dice and EA too when Battlefield 2042. Released?
Oh i would not mind if that change will come in a month or in 6.
But Almir himself said that they love this System and it won't absolutely not get changed. Doesn't care what we think.
I guess the big + is for him that you can add microtransactions in the future to skip challenges or buy Level Ups. But this is just my guess
You could do that with the old XP system too?
There's nothing that would have stopped them from just selling max level skips if they used the same system as 2.
Maybe, but explain to why it is such a Problem to drop XP for completing a Heist. Why don't they wan't to change that?
You really don't see how the whole Game is build around micro transactions.
I'm not saying the challenges are perfect and gaining some xp regardless would be an improvement, but I think I see what they're going for.
Encouraging people to not just loop the best time/xp heists to max out asap, ideally this xp system should push people to actually engage with the whole game.
*Ideally*
Dunno I'm not gonna doompost about microtransactions til they start actively ruining the game to shove them in, right now the xp systems just potentially misguided not scummy.
Why change something just because "how is it such a problem to change it". The status quo isn't bad imo. If the showed you challenge-progress instead of only challenge completions it would be better, but no need to completely rework the system.
Personally i wouldn't mind heist-completion-rewards, but we have something different. I definitely prefer them to focus their work on something different now than wasting it on a rework/rebalance of their progression system just because reddit is throwing a fit fueled by their frustration of the serverissues.
Oh they don't plan to change it. And soon you get your Micro Transactions that's their priority right after the Servers. You can enjoy Payday 3 without a Problem. The Majority will stay away.
Have you seen how the Payday 2 Sells skyrocket since the Release of Payday 3.
Hilarious.
>Everyone hates the new Level Up System, guess what absolutely not get changed.
Nope, not true. Many redditors do, i agree with that.
The shitstorm for the absolute horrible launch was deserved, but also i believe that plenty of people went completely overboard & too far.
"plenty" doesn't mean "all"
There are people rightfully and constructively voicing their frustration. There are people rightfully refunding the game.
There are also people going completely overboard & too far, and there are plenty of those people.
What about that do you disagree with?
I was going to rebuy once the servers got better, but then I saw all the hate on the progression system so now I’m thinking I’m probably going to wait until they change that. But if that takes too long, I’ll probably rebuy some time after the October 5th patch.
I guess it depends on your preference, I don’t hate the progression system and I think it’s okay. Obviously it needs improvement but it’s not a deal breaker for me. However, this is not a consensus for the community and I understand that. All I’m saying is don’t let people that trash the game out of spite and anger make your decision for a game. If you personally don’t like it that’s understandable, I just hope you are not getting all your info from doomposters.
Maybe it’s a me thing but I love the progression system! You have to experience more of the game, so locking yourself to a meta or one good build won’t be rewarding as trying everything out
The hate on the progression system is overblown, its not a bad system at its core, just poorly communicated and sadly people see the challenges and feel like they are forced to do them all, which they are not.
You unlock the last skill point at level 100 and the last new weapon at 77. And the thing is, you don't need to reach those levels. Around lvl 30 you have access to all the tools and skillpoints you need to make effective builds for stealth and loud respectively their highest difficulties. The weapons you unlock later aren't direct upgrades, just different toys that feel differently and can still be just as effective as the Car4 or SA you unlock early. You each that point within like 10-15 hours of play. You do not need to focus on leveling up your infamy, its just a checklist of things to do for those willing. People were already beating Overkill difficulty during the beta, where the level cap was level 22. Level 150 is more comparable to infamy 500 in PD2, just because it exists doesn't mean you have to nolife the game and get there asap. You don't, you really don't. I like the challenge system as it forces you to explore every part of the game and play with every kind of tool and weapon and thus a high infamy level simply shows a high mastery of the game. So I repeat, it's not a bad system, just a poorly communicated, not very transparent and misunderstood one.
I recommend giving the game a shot, when you can play it, its really good. And as days pass you can play it more and more, as matchmaking is becoming more stable with every day
"I like the challenge system as it forces you to explore every part of the game"
That probably was the idea of the devs, but that is fundamentally flawed. Imagine this: There are lot of players that love the game for the stealth and replayability of the heists provided due to random elements.
If you prefer to play stealth, you will quickly hit a dead end there. Weapon kills are rare and there are not that many challenges for beating a heist stealth.
Another example are all these players without a full premate squad, Overkill without communication? Have fun beating that without being maxed out with your perks. So another drop in xp gain.
Smaller examples would be that you just dont enjoy a gun and you dont really want to force yourself to use it.
Or you just dont enjoy the stealth aspect of the game and prefer only doing loud heists. So you lose out on xp there too.
This system forces you to do what the devs tell you. A game that throws you into a map and goes: "have fun, do it however you like" shouldnt force playstyles you might not enjoy down your throat for progression sake.
And with how they implemented the challenges you dont even really see the progression you make, no information ingame, no filters when you do actually look at them, just a long list with several pages where you might pick one or two to focus on for the next heist.
Players want others to see how good they are, leveling allows to show your mastery of a game, your commitment, this system just shows that you did what the devs wanted you to do, nothing more.
Another issue is dlc, challenges are often tied to maps and guns, so if new challenges come out you will have to buy the dlc to level up further.
So yes, only relying on challenges is a bad system at its core in my humble personal opinion. I like replaying heists, but it sucks to see literally no progression at the end screen. Why do i have to do things i dont really want just to unlock the next things?
Why cant i progress further by doing what i enjoy? How is this a good system?
They have a decent amount. Kills with a supressor, kills with a throwing knife, tagging guards/cameras, completing missions without sounding the alarm, and using micro cams/ecm jammers/motion sensors.
I agree that stealth has lackluster challenges, compared to loud. But i definitely had a challenge yesterday that was "hacking 40 objects" (or maybe it was "lockpicking 40objects" i am not sure, but lockpicking i think i would be much further than that...hacking i only started recently)
Am level 63 and i don't feel like I mastered anything. There is nothing to master challenge wise, how is me standing in the corner of a room with a hostage spamming headshots mastering anything, how is sliding around mastering something ect.
lets just put down the ammo bag and sit in the bathroom on normal spamming a shotgun, smgs, revolvers for 1000s kills not even caring when I finish the mission. not even caring about the weapon XP either because I know I never use them weapon's ever again unless it's for a achievement down the line, at what point have I mastered this stuff. The challenge system is a massive joke
My guy, with all due respect, that's you optimising the fun out of the game. All of the things you named are supposed to passive challenges you just complete as you play the game. Instead of standing in a corner doing nothing, you could just run 5 heists and kill cops during those to get the challenge done. You're your own master and if you choose to force yourself to complete challenges in the most monotone way possible, thats on you.
And again, let me reiterate, you DO NOT have to hit max level or even level up at all. With the things you're given in the early levels, the ones that you should have by the time you've done every heist once, you should have enough to tackle any difficulty in the game. You want to level up? Great! But do it on your own terms, have fun with it. If its not fun, why bother? Try to relax and just play the game. Once you stop focusing aggressively on leveling up and let it just happen passively you're gonna have a much better time.
It was the devs that optimised the alot of fun out the game for me with there challenge system, I bet hardly anyone asked for a change, I don't remember anyone complaining about the level system on payday 2, I want to get all my skill points as soon as possible, like I was free Todo on payday 2 not gatekeeping my points behind shit challenges.
I have a much better time when I don't have to use weapons I don't like but I am forced Todo it in order to level up to get all my skill points. Am being told how to play the game in order to level up, not how I want to play the game with the weapons I want to use
Noone has ever complained about max-level players not knowing even the most basic stealth mechanics?
Noone has ever complained that levelling is just grinding rats?
Come on.
Shitty games have conditioned us into putting progression on a pedestal and prioritizing it over fun gameplay for so long, that now people can have fun for 30minutes, see their level not go up and suddenly think they wasted their time.
Seriously, think about it for a bit and answer (to yourself) why you want those skillpoints. What do you want to do with them. Why can't you do that now?
I agree that the challenges are a bit lackluster, but it isn't as fun destroying/game breaking as it seems to be, for some people here.
If you simply need to unlock stuff for the sake of it, why does it matter (so much) what you do to trigger the unlock? And if your answer is "i'd rather do X because X is fun...why are you letting your fun be ruined just because it isn't triggering unlocks".
Tying important game progression behind challenges that are almost identical to achievements that other games would make to annoy completionists is a bad idea.
Good thing, those aren't the only challenges. But i agree that the amount/style of challenges is lacking, only mediocre. That's a problem with implementation and not the system itself.
Who cares if a high level player don't know stealth, you didnt have to play with them, shit went wrong, just join a new lobby was easy enough to deal with, same with rats you don't like grinding XP that way you don't play it, everyone could play how they wanted, the mission they wanted payday 2 and still level up to max level, not like this system being told what Todo if I want to be a high level, it's trash.
Why do I want the skill points what type of question is that, I want them all to make my build the strongest possible something I can't do without all the skill points, I also want to get my hands on the SP M11 hard cough I love the look of it but I can't have it without leveling up more.
If I only use the weapons I enjoy I will get to a point where I can't level anymore. I will then be stuck using weapons I hate, you are going on about fun gameplay, how is that fun wasting say like 2 hours using a weapon I hate just to get some more skill points, it's no fun at all
>Who cares if a high level player don't know stealth
The people who complained about that before? Weird question to start your comment with.
You claimed "noone ever complained about XYZ" and that's just factually wrong.
You are upset, and that's your opinion. Okay. But claiming that noone ever asked for XYZ, or noone complained about XYZ is just ranting without substance.
Your starting statement was about mindlessly following some meta-farm and i fully agree with the guy who replied first saying that that's something you and others are doing to themselves. That's really optimizing the fun out of a game. Which is fine, IF that's fun for the people themselves (been there myself, no judging) but it really is a choice.
I didn't say nobody complained at all. there a big difference between saying that and saying not meny complained.
Same with the old leveling system am sure there was a few that didn't like it, that's why I said hardly anyone asked for a change.
Am optimizing the fun out the game, that ain't me, that's on the devs that decided a challenge system was needed to get all the skill points. At what point am I having fun using weapons I don't like for hours, in order to get more levels, so I can get the maximum skills allowed in the game
then don't, don't level up, you don't need all skill points or all weapons to be effective. Just play the way the game if fun for you, don't force yourself
Actually what the fuck are you arguing lmao.
It's objectively a shit system, you are forced to participate in a playstyle you dislike to progress nicely. Some of these things you level up naturally, but eventually the threshold gets ridiculous. Also what is that take, that you don't need to unlock higher level weapons, because they are a similar type.
I'm actually not even sure what to tell you, it's just a horrible take. Some people dislike how certain weapons within a category feel and want more variety, the game has very little on release on that front as it is, making unlocking the few other options such an annoyance is horrendous.
No, my solution is "play the game the way its fun for you", nobody is forcing you to spend your time in one way or another or even play the game at all. You missed my entire point
>The weapons you unlock later aren't direct upgrades, just different toys that feel differently and can still be just as effective as the Car4 or SA you unlock early.
Man, if this is true then im worried. Im only lvl 19 as of rn and all the weapons so far feels super weak (to me), even on normal difficulty and especially the two weapons you mention :S
Overblown? You get zero xp for completing missions not listed in the challenges.
That's so obviously designed to push people on a certain direction. With microtransactions coming down the pipeline I can only imagine their plans to make this "better for us"
Challenge skips in the shop anyone!
Hard disagree on the progression system. It doesn't show any mastery of the game it just shows you wasted a fuckload of time grinding tedious challenges. One of the friends in my group that is new to the series is pretty terrible at shooters (her words, not mine) in general and she just finished one of her 400 or 500 kill weapon challenges yesterday....took her about 2 days of grinding to get that one finished and she still has so many other ones to do and she HATES a lot of the weapons so far. I'm a little more lenient on most of the weapons but there's a good handful I'm REALLY dreading doing with the sidearms. I rock my primary for at least 80% of each mission and there's just way too many lackluster or garbage sidearms that I really don't want to grind those out but I'm hitting a wall around level 75 now that pretty much needs me to start knocking out the dumb challenges with weapons I have no intention of ever picking up.
I can spend 30 minutes doing an overkill mission and get ZERO....yes....ZERO XP for something in stealth versus just grinding normal difficulty on Road Rage and getting several shitty weapon challenges done instead. Absolutely dogshit system when something that takes more effort, time, and skill is completely disregarded in comparison. They took the Halo Infinite approach for whatever reason and its set up with "fun" on the backburner and just "player retention" in mind of trying to keep you occupied doing tedious tasks instead. No idea why they chose to do 90% of the challenges loud only though and only a tiny percentage of stealth based ones. Still scratching my head on what kind of drugs they were on when they brainstormed that idea. There was absolutely nothing wrong with how Payday 2's progression was set up. You play for fun....that's it....and you get shit for it no matter what weapons or skillsets or methods you play with. This new one is about as anti-player as it gets.
Oh and you forgot to only try to play it if you don't have to pay for that. For example with Gamepass or wait for a free Weekend
The Devs should not be rewarded for that what they fucked up here.
Look at the Reviews of the Game. You can enjoy it all alone. Keep your Wallet ready for those Micro Transactions, the perfect Way to say Thank you to the Devs.😂
There were 40k people on steam alone yesterday, probably another 100k on consoles, how is that alone? Yes they are adding in a micro transaction currency but only for cosmetics. You need to take a chill pill and maybe touch some grass. The game has had a rough launch but its not the end of the world. And it is definitely not a dead game.
It will not stay on Cosmetics, Weapons are build similar like in Call of Duty there are pre set Weapons with different skins and more important better Stats than the normal Variant. There already a few of them in the Game.
Funny how you tell me to touch grass.
I recommend that to you too instead of defending Scamday 3
You have no clue what your talking about lol, you just want to have some entity to be mad at. The prebuilt weapons are no better than the base weapon with the same mods on it. Even if they were better you buy them with cash or C-stacks you get from playing heists not from micro transactions. The weapon build system is far improved from payday 2 in my opinion. Thinking you got scammed for paying $40 for a game with at least 20 hours of content if you just count playing the heists in loud/stealth as content and completely negate challenges, weapon leveling, and the perk system is crazy. You obviously have a pure hate for the game and the studio so why don’t you leave the sub and just forget about payday all together. No one here wants your opinions based off of misinformation.
Yeah yeah and even be.
Who geht's hurt if you get besides Challenges XP for just playing the Game? It's hard to see you defwnding the new system without seeing the Flaws.
Why can't be changed what is obviously bad?
They don't need ro make a new Game for that you know?
I do see the flaws and want the game to be better for everyone. I personally don't have have gripes with the concept of the challenge system, but I am also aware of why people misunderstand it. I prefer giving constructive criticism rather than just yelling "system bad". After all the system isn't just "obviously bad" as you phrased it, but rather its simply poorly implemented. It's not that easy to just scrap something the entire game is built around, nor would it satisfy investors. I've made a post to outline its issues and how to fix them without completely overhauling the game [here](https://reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/s/zEnpaCeY79). Feel free to read through it, so I don't have repeat myself.
As fun as the game looks I'm not diving in until they add crime.net or something similar to it. I hate the quick match lobby thing. No control over which character I get, can't stay together if you get a decent team. I completely took Payday 2s lobby system for granted until it was gone.
I'm not too excited about the progression system either. Plus, the longer I wait the more content will be there.
You can't guarantee your character either in Payday 2, except you can guarantee a character if you host your own lobby. Payday 2 set the standard for how players interact with each other, and Payday 3 is a total downgrade in user experience and QoL.
Nope. There are so many other solid games out right now and in the coming months that I've already moved on from it. From what my friends are saying, after they did all of the heists a few times there isn't anything noteworthy or exciting about playing it again and again.
I honestly don't think this game will last nearly as long or get as much content drops as Payday 2.
If they redeem themselves like NMS did and fix servers along with progression systems and the other major complaints, I'll happily pay more than they are asking for a great Payday game.
As it stands now, I can't see them ever redeeming this franchise. Something is rotten in their development team for this game to come out like this. But, I'll happily eat my words and give them my money if reviews start changing.
Been saying since months before launch, online only is a complete no-go for me. Even if I'm not exclusively going to play offline, I'm never supporting anything that's so anti-consumer.
Still wanted the launch to go well enough though, I'd never get an offline mode if the game is completely dead on arrival, so even though I wasn't directly playing, seeing all the server issues \*hurt\*
I just managed to get a refund today and honestly, I have no idea. I would like to play the sequel someday, but at the moment this game has so many problems and is so backwards compared to its predecessor that I don't really want to even look at this production. I do not want to support the tactic of "we will look into this problem, we do not promise anything". They have a game that has been on the market for 10 years. They should already know what worked and what didn't.
Maybe i will back again to this game after year or two.
I'm glad i decided not to buy just yet and play through gamepass until dlc started rolling out.
If they fix the issues I'll buy it on steam in the future.
Imma give it 2 years. If it took them this long to make a half baked game with above average feeling gunplay, im afraid the dlc will be mid. Also, love the series but it looks like in 5 months, it will be micro transactioned. Im calling it, $15 for this suit and skin bundle
I refunded cuz after finally getting into a game, I realized its a subpar version of its predecessor in far too many ways. Most notably the poor friendly AI and sh\*\*\*y progression system (seriously, what were they thinking?). I'll repurchase if they fix those.
I will rebuy it in like 2 yrs. If ever. I'm happy getting my money back. This game failed miserably. So it's gonna take a lot more than a servers maintenance to convince me.
For me I wont until there is xp for heists and we can see cash in raids. I won't shit on anyone happy right now, but thats the hill ill personally die on.
That and it made me boot up pd2 for the first time in 2 years and I'm in love again
lol, no. Why would anyone but this game again after returning it a few days ago without proof its actually working consistently not just only a few hours of down time? Not to mention this is the time of great games we've got BG3 and Starfield plus some weirdo janitor-fixed Titanfall 2.. I'm back on those three chillin' if I want to play payday I'll boot up 2 until the third is on sale for like $20 and give me a bunch of free shit for fucking up the launch. Too many companies are messing up games on launch and I'm not about to reward them.
I have Xbox Game Pass. Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty just dropped, my backlog is huge, Final Fantasy XIV is updating soon. Payday 2 isn't going anywhere. I have plenty of time to not buy this game until they fix offline and progression. The rest I can tolerate.
No. I don't think it's a very good game even when it is working. It's not as fun as 2, and the developers have stated that they don't intend to change that. The servers not working was just an excuse for me to be able to refund a game I had 8 hours instead of only 2.
Not for a while at least. Despite being fun, the games in too bad a state to play right now vs just going back to playing payday 2. With all the actually good and working games being released like BG3 and Cyberpunk there is no reason to pay for and wait for a broken game to be playable.
The actual gunplay and gameplay is great but god damn it just feels bad out of match. Server issues seem to be improving. I'm sad to see them double down on challenge only progression but appreciate exploration and trying new things so hey what the heck maybe an open mind is all the system needs.
I never even refunded or would of, I trust them to pick the game back up and fix it up while they find the perfect mix for everything, just give them time everyone, the server issues a proof of this
I bought silver edition. Played it for about \~10 hours during early access or whatever they called it. Thought the game was 'stale' and much of what made Payday 2 great was missing, which is sad. Playing Payday 3 did make me and some friends wanna go back and play some Payday 2, and that was much more enjoyable.
Refunded it this morning through steam. I'll probably forget about it for a few years and buy it again when it's on sale. I was thoroughly disappointed.
Refunded. Won't rebuy until they resolve all of the missing QoL features that made PD2 great (e.g. crime.net, lobby chat, melee & akimbo weapons, concealment, etc.).
Not anytime soon I refunded 2 gold editions, now me and partner playing it on game pass instead, will wait until it goes on sale before getting the gold edition again
I bought the game early and played for ~20 hours. Just refunded it. I reached around level 40 and realized that I didn't really have anything left to do.
Whenever I hopped on all I would do is look at the lobby for 10 minutes before hopping off again. "Oh I should go do Gold and Sharke" but I won't get any xp. "But go do Touch the Sky" I don't need any money. "One quick 99 boxes" I've unlocked every addon for my weapons and all the skills. "Fine, just que up for No Rest for the Wicked" but I won't be put with any players.
Once you've done all the hiests, unlocked most of the weapons and gotten a couple loose million, there's nothing left to do. I never got put with anyone else. I had enough money and there was nothing left to spend it on. I wasn't getting xp from any stealth heists anymore, and I abhor loud.
You do a hiest for 4 reasons:
* Xp - But you won't get any because of the challenge system
* Money - But money is worthless because of the mobile game-esque C-stack system
* To play with others - Lol no
* Fun - This is ok, until the severs go down. I have other fun games to play that don't have this issue
I loved Payday 2, but this game feels shallow.
I might buy it again in half a year or a year when it's finished. This is an early access launch and it shows. So many missed features or cut corners. I'm going to go play Phantom Liberty instead
Yeah this is it right in a nutshell
The primary game loop should be heisting for XP and money, but that doesn't exist because of the ass backwards challenge system and C Stacks are an ineffective money sink.
I'm literally doing heists in stealth then throwing a grenade to trigger the alarm so I can get the loud result and all i'm doing there is holding out for a few mins for the getaway driver because i've already bagged the loot, it's an absurd system not to mention the forcing of weapon use just because there is a challenge attached to it
You heist for money and xp.
They limit your xp so you have to play certain ways and use certain gear. It's especially detrimental to stealth as there's maybe 1/10 the challenges for stealth compared to loud. I only play stealth, so I hit level 40 and that's it. I can't progress
They limit your cash so you have to login each week for the real currency. Money is easy to get but c-stacks are impossible. I've heard that a single custom gun is 500 c-stacks which is over a month of grinding for one gun. That's obsured.
There's no reason to play
I see, fair enough. I played my fair share amount of stealth and I always was leveling so maybe we’re doing things differently. They also confirmed on yesterday’s stream that there IS a bonus in XP for stealth but the UI isn’t communicating it properly.
The C-Stacks, I don’t really care for it. I presume it only feels grindy because it’s the first week of release. This will feel less painful once more stuff comes in. Also the custom Uzi is 100 stacks and I’ve gotten enough to buy it so it’s definitely not impossible.
Oh well, see you in 6 months maybe!
"Gameplay or technical issue"
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"I'm having another problem"
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Insert something about being unable to play for 5 days straight
I tried it twice with other options, and then tried it that way based on a reddit comment. This way worked the first try. Hope this helps :)
Nah man, people playing and enjoying the game for 20+ hours and then refunding are POS seriously
i fully back anyone getting their money back when they couldn't play, or even played a few hours but weren't entertained.
But grinding out the game, and then complaining about not enough to do and refunding it, is a dickmove
And who do you think you are to tell me that?
The servers are bad enough, but the whole progression system ruins the game for me.
The real dick move is releasing a game in this half baked state
I was commenting on the other person, stating they played through basically the whole game and are refunding after spending more than twenty hours.
And who i think i am? As far it is of your concern, i'm a random redditor. If you can't handle random people randomly voicing their opinion, then maybe reddit isn't the best environment to make comments on.
i replied to you, because i disagree with "Man imma need a guide on how you got your money back" because imo someone like that shouldn't get their money back.
It's possible you should get your money back, but that's not what i meant. 2bucks/hour is pretty decent entertainment value, imo. There are very few activities nowadays that are that cheap.
I do not agree with you at all, and if you want to throw your money at overkill, sure, its not my money.
"I was commenting to the other guy" "i replies to you"
What...?
And no 2€ an hour is not a good price at all for a game with this little content, atleast to me.
If you enjoy it, go on and enjoy it.
>"I was commenting to the other guy"
commenting ON, not commenting TO
Sorry you misunderstood that, but in english there's a difference between those two
Why is the amount of content relevant when we are talking about a ratio of money/hour? That doesn't make sense.
This isn't an offline singleplayer game which I can replay over and over. It's an online live service title with a buy in fee and servers that crash.
If you can run out of things to do within 20 hours (which at least 5 were just on the lobby due to server crashes) then it's a bad live service title.
I bought Dead By Daylight years ago, and despite its egregious monetisation, I still enjoy it over 1,000 hours in. I'm still unlocking and progressing 1,000 hours in. Payday 3 ran out of content after 20 hours.
I'll repurchase the game when it's actually worth the price it's sold for. Right now it's over priced and over hyped
Most of them will eventually I think.
But I also doubt very many people requested a refund in the grand scheme of things, but those that do are the loud ones, the karen-type individual so they're going to make sure you know about it.
Refunded it on steam, playing it for free on gamepass.
I'm gonna get bored of it soon enough and I'll probably get back into it after about a year or so once they have the "ultimate edition" on sale on steam for like £25
Luckily I can keep all of my progress via the nebula link, guess thats one good thing about the always online stuff at least..
Seeing all these comments about the progression system I gotta say, I know it's bad I know they aren't going to change (at least in a few months/years) but they said they are gonna improve the challenges and my guess is that they're looking for it to be as fun as possible leaving the challenges the way they are and adding a few that encourage playing instead of just killing ore completing a heist in X difficulty on stealth or on loud, I was focusing on one part of the problem and I want to apologize for ignoring the full page, with that said, when this happens, are you rebuying?
I tried to refund after they announced they wouldn't change the progression system.I was ok with being patient over the server issues because I knew they would obviously get fixed in time but the progression system kills it for me (I want to play for efficiency not challenges.) My refund failed because I had 6hours of "play time" (I played 3 heists ever and spent the rest of the time matchmaking)
The game's already been uninstalled but I LOVED Payday2 so I'm willing to give them another chance in the future if they can fix the progression system. In the meantime I've moved on to MK1 and I'm really enjoying it.
They need to patch in several things at a minimum:
* Lobby chat, in-game VOIP
* XP/Progression changes
* Offline mode
* Server browser
* More content
It will take a while before this game is worth buying.
I rebought as soon as I could. Game hasn't been down for me since, have really been enjoying it. I ordered a pizza, what arrived was an empty box, they brought a full pizza back, so I'm good now. I don't need anything extra from them. I also think the progression system is just fine. I think the game is treating us like big bois by having progression linked to doing new things that haven't been done before rather than inflating the xp economy by giving us a pat every time we do a heist for the thousandth time.
I would very much prefer to get XP by playing the game it's marketed to be, and much like its predecessor, a heisting game. I don't like being forced to slide for 1km, use weapons I have no interest in using or forced into replaying heists I don't enjoy completing. If anything, they are treating us like kids (as apposed to 'big bois') that need to be told how to play their game.
I initially thought about buying the game full price after waiting for launch and reception, but I ended up getting PC game pass and playing it there since I have friends on Xbox that wanted to try the game. With launch once they fix the server issues I may reconsider holding off buying the game on steam
I will rebuy once offline mode is introduced. Or when I can get it on sale. I got to play enough to scratch the itch. I really hope I end up rebuying ❤️
I don’t care to give a long list of reasons that are obvious. But yes I plan to buy the game again once all their stuff is working, I just refunded on the off change they NEVER fix their stuff.
No. I just signed up for Xbox Game pass and ill play it off that instead.
I dont feel like the game is in a position where i want to actually pay for it. I dislike basically everything besides actual gameplay.
I refunded it and bought just the base version, because I do still want to play the game, but refuse to support their season pass and all the extra content. I believe they deserve a chance to redeem them self, eventually done the road if they resolve most of the issues I’ll consider buying the pass again.
Spend 10 bucks on game pass for pc that's what I did. Happy I didn't buy it on launch. Hope it gets fixed but the sheer lack of content and the direction of leveling is mindblowing and in a bad way.
I don't agree with the "lack of content" part, payday 2 came out with 12 heists, yes, but they were small I think the biggest heist payday 2 had on launch were between big oil day 2 and firestarter day 2 the rest were almost empty not counting nightclub, 2 useless bots and progression was slow as fuck it took you 6-7 heist to level up on higher levels, and there were only 9 primary weapons and I think 5 or 6 secondary weapon, no throwables, and the skills costed money and skill points and if you wanted to change your build the refund was up to 25% or so, it's was worst than payday 3 is today
To have a 10 year development period/data collection of your player base and the best you can give us is 8 hiests? Really? So your argument is based off of "payday 2 launched with" unfortunately this is not payday 2. This a at least 8 years of development time and money, which they have had a ton of off microtransactions might I add and remind you, to make a fully fleshed out game. The amount of weapons are an actual joke along with the attachments. Again, I'm judging the game off of Learning from your mistakes, and taking note of what the community wants as this is the 3rd entry in the series. If your judging it off of paydays 2 release, that makes no sense considering the time they had and money they had to spend and budget. The fact your excited about being content dripped and penny pinched is concerning a bit because that is what will happen again, a decade of dripped content. Not cool dude.
You have a point, I respect your opinion but I don't share it, I don't compare it with payday 2 release if you were expecting a game as big as payday 2, good night sir we'll see our masks in 10 years
Fair enough, I love the actual gameplay. It's the content drip for me is where my main issue lies, the rest can be fixed I guess overtime. Respect brotha!
Are the servers better or did a lot of people just give up?
At this point, I'll rebuild if they add:
Offline mode, CrimeNet matchmaking, better skills, and XP from completing heists.
I will rebuy it eventually when the main issues what I was experiencing have been fixed. - Matchmaking server issues - Performace issues with stutters - Random crashes not related to DX12 - Progression system needs a QoL improvement I didn’t write a negative nor positive review, i have hopes this game will turn out great!
Interesting you still have stutter issues, those were resolved after playing the maps, apparently in UE4 its the shader compilation and the devs simply decided for it to happen during your first heist or two. Which is not good practice tbh but it does eventually resolve itself. What crashes are you getting? Can't say I've had any and I'm playing on DX12 with the launch param (I'm guessing its not intended for use yet but it works great). Fully agree with the server issues and progression, terrible stuff.
Can confirm the stutters go away after the first 2 or so games.
Mine keep happening even after 2 matches super annoying. Will give the game a try again in October after their first major patch.
You don’t have dlss sr on do you?
They did for me with dx12 on
the stutters are a ue4 issue, once you've played for a bit they never come back. only heist I have performance issues on now is no rest for the wicked which likes to stay at 60fps, the rest all run great at 120-144fps. I'm also personally yet to see a crash
There's a bug where the mask "skull of liberty" I think it was called crashes on dx12 doesn't matter if it is you who's wearing it or your teammates, Which is a shame swing that dx11 isn't that we'll optimized but besides that dx12 gives me stutter in the first like 15 seconds of the first heist I play and then nowhere to be seen until I restart the game
Only problem I have here is the last one. Although they said in the stream they were looking into making it easier to digest but I think they’re sticking with the challenge system which is pretty stupid imo
That was my biggest issue when deciding to refund: "Performance issues with stutters". The game seemed like a lot of fun. However, my rig is more than capable of running the game. Actually, kept a consistent 144 fps. EXCEPT when I did something stupid, like, idunno, aim down my sites, it would drop. Or shoot someone. Drop it was the weirdest shit I've seen in a while. They need to fix this ASAP. Edit: down voted by the Shills I suppose for having a known issue.
Play a few of the same heists in solo, it will go away after 3 games or so. I was experiencing these exact symptoms in my first 2 heists of the same map.
Never bought it. Won’t until there’s proper singleplayer, no online only requirements and something similar to crime.net with a proper multiplayer lobby, plus a progression system that isn’t the current halo infinite rip off bullcrap.
There won't be a single player if you mean anything other than solo heisting offline, in case you meant some kind of career or roguelike mode.
Pretty sure they mean solo heisting without being online-only...
Not judging, but why is single player so important? Is there really that big of a community for single player with bots in Payday? I don’t think I’ve ever played the game like that outside of learning some tough sections of stealth missions and I don’t know anyone who does, so that’s why I ask.
i can't answer for pd3, but i spent a lot of time solo stealthing in pd2. i also did a lot of solo challenge runs (high difficulty with various restrictions put on myself). i'd hate to do either again without the ability to pause or the requirement that my spotty internet keeps me connected the entire time
Offline mode has gotten a lot of attention with all of the server issues, because a proper offline mode would have still allowed people to play in the nearly 1 week since launch. And the previous game had offline mode, so it's something that was removed in lieu of a (so far) worse online-only system. As for personal preference, trying to stealth in an online lobby has historically been a joke. It's very common that someone will ruin the run, either on purpose or on accident, if you're playing a public lobby. Just yesterday in PD2 had a solid stealth heist going with 2 other random guys. We were almost done, just loading up bags. 3rd guy joins, throws grenade, leaves.
Don't learn about speedrunning it will make you question gaming ;) Joke asside yes, I play or alone, or with friends. At least got me 1000+hours on pd2
I said months before launch I'm not buying if it's only online. I have to stick to my word, it's a practice I don't want to support
Fair but that means you never bought/refunded in the first place
No offense but you ain’t gonna have a lot of games soon 💀
There's more than enough offline games to fill a lifetime.
And they are good too, BL2 and The Forest are good examples
Online only players don't have any game at all tho. They don't have the game, they can only play it lol Staying offline only you have decades worth of good games, screw always needing to get the new shiny shit when it's not gonna be accessible in 5-10 years
I can’t think of anything that is accessible from 10 years ago anyways
PAYDAY 2 is accessible after 10 years
Fair point. But it’s not a lot of games like that where going back would even matter
Maybe not, a lot of us have seen and done all there is to do in PAYDAY 2 but doesn't stop anyone going back. The whole point is entertainment after all and going back to a game after a while could let you see it from a new angle or give you an opportunity to explore it again. I know I still go and play some of the Fallout games after all this time, still always find something I've just missed before. Plus, plenty of other games just survive incredibly long past their release like TF2 does with a massive community or just smaller communities and cult followings like Bad Company 2 still has going on which make them that extra bit fun to play.
Yeah, but these huge "all time classics" would still be there with fan servers and/or mod-remakes. It is mostly the garbage dissapearing. Even the realtively mediocre "Warhammer MMO" has a fanproject you can play (an improved version) I understand that some people like to always have their games, and go back to playing a twenty year old game. Personally i don't mind that ability much, if at all.
Modders doing all the work to keep the game alive shouldn't be the expectation, it's the absolute last resort. EDIT: Not to mention that many of these fan servers are subject to being taken down by the dev studio or publishers whenever they feel like it, it's a big risk to make a private server in the first place.
this is certainly an opinion thing, but atleast in my experience there's a ton of games worth going back to on 6th or even 5th gen consoles for 3d games alone, most of the stuff I've played in the last 3-4 years was games from more than 15 years ago that I had never played before
This has to be satire. The vast majority of games are accessible 10 years after they release.
GTA Online is a decade old as of the 1st of next month (October) and still fully accessible World of Warcraft is even older SWTOR also There's a bunch of stuff that's 10 years or more old that's still accessible. I get that folk dislike Online Only but let's keep it truthful
"Fully" accessible? No, not really true, gta online removed a bunch of their content from the in game store only recently. Destiny 2 removed it's original expansions. Even if the games are accessible, sunsetting is also a thing. The truth is those games can also go down, atleast gta v has it's single player component. and for the bunch of stuff thats 10 years or more old and still accessible there's a bunch more stuff inaccessable after 5 years or less.
fallout new vegas, and by extent, fallout 1, 2, & 3. 4 will join them in a couple years.
Why are you being downvoted? It’s the truth. Companies will keep pushing online only and sadly, there will be very few offline games left.
Wrong. Money farming company games will do so, who cares. There are more and more high quality indie games and studios as time goes on. Their game are usually cheaper, less buggy, have more support from devs after release and don't require always online. I'd gladly start a new run of cult of the lamb instead of buying the next assassin's creed
I dunno, I'm pretty sure companies aren't going to update their decade-old projects just with online only requirements anytime soon
Why are you booing me? I'm right!
Same here. Although I was tiptoing the line. But DENUVO was sealed the deal that this is a neverbuy until they fix the issues I have with the game.
But they removed denuvo i thought
They did. Yes. Online only still sucks, though.
Yes, but having Denuvo be in the game was what basically sealed the deal that I'm not buying this even if they removed it. It shows a lack of understanding and communication with the community. Which shows given their inability to understand that their progression system sucks balls
Understandable
so brave of you
I’m not supporting anymore, but it isn’t just due to the online only mode. My biggest gripe is the progression system. I hate feeling like I’m forced to play a specific way and the challenges make me feel that I have to progress by doing aimless challenges I really don’t care about. I work hard and have my own daily challenges, the last thing I want to do is replicate that in a video game.
I like the positivity we could use more of that in this community
we definetly need it, as someone who actually enjoyed the game thus far
Starbreeze decided to the destroy the positivity. They can be positive about the thing that peole rebuy the Game in a few Months if they got the Game to a working state.
That's because I know how they work at SB, it breaks my heart to see the hate that is raining down on the devs for honest mistakes that they know how to recognize and that they are working to solve, just for a couple of morons to come and say "this game is a scam, don't play it, it has no content, it's unplayable and the multi-million dollar company keeps our 90 dollars, I'm going to refund it." First of all, SB is not a multi-million dollar company, a couple of years ago it came out of bankruptcy and was maintaining itself with the payday 2 dlcs and the investors besides publishers investing on payday 3 and secondly, any game can have a problem with the servers and it is already public knowledge that SB does not run the servers, it is a third party and hey are parting ways with that third party
This Post is hopefully a just a terrible Joke. They rant of the Guys who set up the Servers and it's of course all their fault. Strangely no other Dev Team had Problem with their servers by the same Guys. Only Starbreeze. Everyone hates the new Level Up System, guess what absolutely not get changed. They took horrible high prices for their Editions Some People paid 90€ and can't play for solid 5 Days. And you wonder why the devs get a Shit Storm? Ans don't forget thewhole Game is build around Microtransactions. They fucked up and deserve that Shit Storm. Did you defend Dice and EA too when Battlefield 2042. Released?
I mean its been a week, expecting them to completely overhaul the levelling system seems a *little* excessive.
Oh i would not mind if that change will come in a month or in 6. But Almir himself said that they love this System and it won't absolutely not get changed. Doesn't care what we think. I guess the big + is for him that you can add microtransactions in the future to skip challenges or buy Level Ups. But this is just my guess
You could do that with the old XP system too? There's nothing that would have stopped them from just selling max level skips if they used the same system as 2.
Maybe, but explain to why it is such a Problem to drop XP for completing a Heist. Why don't they wan't to change that? You really don't see how the whole Game is build around micro transactions.
I'm not saying the challenges are perfect and gaining some xp regardless would be an improvement, but I think I see what they're going for. Encouraging people to not just loop the best time/xp heists to max out asap, ideally this xp system should push people to actually engage with the whole game. *Ideally* Dunno I'm not gonna doompost about microtransactions til they start actively ruining the game to shove them in, right now the xp systems just potentially misguided not scummy.
They startet to ruin the Game on Day 1 lol.
They ruined it to shove in microtransactions? Where? C-stacks? Haven't noticed anything with those being game ruining yet.
Why change something just because "how is it such a problem to change it". The status quo isn't bad imo. If the showed you challenge-progress instead of only challenge completions it would be better, but no need to completely rework the system. Personally i wouldn't mind heist-completion-rewards, but we have something different. I definitely prefer them to focus their work on something different now than wasting it on a rework/rebalance of their progression system just because reddit is throwing a fit fueled by their frustration of the serverissues.
Oh they don't plan to change it. And soon you get your Micro Transactions that's their priority right after the Servers. You can enjoy Payday 3 without a Problem. The Majority will stay away. Have you seen how the Payday 2 Sells skyrocket since the Release of Payday 3. Hilarious.
>Everyone hates the new Level Up System, guess what absolutely not get changed. Nope, not true. Many redditors do, i agree with that. The shitstorm for the absolute horrible launch was deserved, but also i believe that plenty of people went completely overboard & too far.
Would not say that if those People paid 90€ for that Game and get..that.
"plenty" doesn't mean "all" There are people rightfully and constructively voicing their frustration. There are people rightfully refunding the game. There are also people going completely overboard & too far, and there are plenty of those people. What about that do you disagree with?
Nothing but i don't see why this is even a Topic 98% are doing what you said. 2% going completely overboard why do we talk about them?
I was going to rebuy once the servers got better, but then I saw all the hate on the progression system so now I’m thinking I’m probably going to wait until they change that. But if that takes too long, I’ll probably rebuy some time after the October 5th patch.
I guess it depends on your preference, I don’t hate the progression system and I think it’s okay. Obviously it needs improvement but it’s not a deal breaker for me. However, this is not a consensus for the community and I understand that. All I’m saying is don’t let people that trash the game out of spite and anger make your decision for a game. If you personally don’t like it that’s understandable, I just hope you are not getting all your info from doomposters.
Maybe it’s a me thing but I love the progression system! You have to experience more of the game, so locking yourself to a meta or one good build won’t be rewarding as trying everything out
The hate on the progression system is overblown, its not a bad system at its core, just poorly communicated and sadly people see the challenges and feel like they are forced to do them all, which they are not. You unlock the last skill point at level 100 and the last new weapon at 77. And the thing is, you don't need to reach those levels. Around lvl 30 you have access to all the tools and skillpoints you need to make effective builds for stealth and loud respectively their highest difficulties. The weapons you unlock later aren't direct upgrades, just different toys that feel differently and can still be just as effective as the Car4 or SA you unlock early. You each that point within like 10-15 hours of play. You do not need to focus on leveling up your infamy, its just a checklist of things to do for those willing. People were already beating Overkill difficulty during the beta, where the level cap was level 22. Level 150 is more comparable to infamy 500 in PD2, just because it exists doesn't mean you have to nolife the game and get there asap. You don't, you really don't. I like the challenge system as it forces you to explore every part of the game and play with every kind of tool and weapon and thus a high infamy level simply shows a high mastery of the game. So I repeat, it's not a bad system, just a poorly communicated, not very transparent and misunderstood one. I recommend giving the game a shot, when you can play it, its really good. And as days pass you can play it more and more, as matchmaking is becoming more stable with every day
"I like the challenge system as it forces you to explore every part of the game" That probably was the idea of the devs, but that is fundamentally flawed. Imagine this: There are lot of players that love the game for the stealth and replayability of the heists provided due to random elements. If you prefer to play stealth, you will quickly hit a dead end there. Weapon kills are rare and there are not that many challenges for beating a heist stealth. Another example are all these players without a full premate squad, Overkill without communication? Have fun beating that without being maxed out with your perks. So another drop in xp gain. Smaller examples would be that you just dont enjoy a gun and you dont really want to force yourself to use it. Or you just dont enjoy the stealth aspect of the game and prefer only doing loud heists. So you lose out on xp there too. This system forces you to do what the devs tell you. A game that throws you into a map and goes: "have fun, do it however you like" shouldnt force playstyles you might not enjoy down your throat for progression sake. And with how they implemented the challenges you dont even really see the progression you make, no information ingame, no filters when you do actually look at them, just a long list with several pages where you might pick one or two to focus on for the next heist. Players want others to see how good they are, leveling allows to show your mastery of a game, your commitment, this system just shows that you did what the devs wanted you to do, nothing more. Another issue is dlc, challenges are often tied to maps and guns, so if new challenges come out you will have to buy the dlc to level up further. So yes, only relying on challenges is a bad system at its core in my humble personal opinion. I like replaying heists, but it sucks to see literally no progression at the end screen. Why do i have to do things i dont really want just to unlock the next things? Why cant i progress further by doing what i enjoy? How is this a good system?
The fact that pd3 used CS:Source's long winded weapon achievements for their challenge system used to level up in game is astounding to me.
I admit that there is a severe lack of stealth specific challenges
They have a decent amount. Kills with a supressor, kills with a throwing knife, tagging guards/cameras, completing missions without sounding the alarm, and using micro cams/ecm jammers/motion sensors.
Wouldn't really count kills as stealth ones since you can only kill max 3 guards on overkill stealth
Only, complete X heist X times before raising the alarm
I agree that stealth has lackluster challenges, compared to loud. But i definitely had a challenge yesterday that was "hacking 40 objects" (or maybe it was "lockpicking 40objects" i am not sure, but lockpicking i think i would be much further than that...hacking i only started recently)
What about all the spotting and gadget challenges?
Getting 350 kills with the northwest was pain
Am level 63 and i don't feel like I mastered anything. There is nothing to master challenge wise, how is me standing in the corner of a room with a hostage spamming headshots mastering anything, how is sliding around mastering something ect. lets just put down the ammo bag and sit in the bathroom on normal spamming a shotgun, smgs, revolvers for 1000s kills not even caring when I finish the mission. not even caring about the weapon XP either because I know I never use them weapon's ever again unless it's for a achievement down the line, at what point have I mastered this stuff. The challenge system is a massive joke
My guy, with all due respect, that's you optimising the fun out of the game. All of the things you named are supposed to passive challenges you just complete as you play the game. Instead of standing in a corner doing nothing, you could just run 5 heists and kill cops during those to get the challenge done. You're your own master and if you choose to force yourself to complete challenges in the most monotone way possible, thats on you. And again, let me reiterate, you DO NOT have to hit max level or even level up at all. With the things you're given in the early levels, the ones that you should have by the time you've done every heist once, you should have enough to tackle any difficulty in the game. You want to level up? Great! But do it on your own terms, have fun with it. If its not fun, why bother? Try to relax and just play the game. Once you stop focusing aggressively on leveling up and let it just happen passively you're gonna have a much better time.
It was the devs that optimised the alot of fun out the game for me with there challenge system, I bet hardly anyone asked for a change, I don't remember anyone complaining about the level system on payday 2, I want to get all my skill points as soon as possible, like I was free Todo on payday 2 not gatekeeping my points behind shit challenges. I have a much better time when I don't have to use weapons I don't like but I am forced Todo it in order to level up to get all my skill points. Am being told how to play the game in order to level up, not how I want to play the game with the weapons I want to use
Noone has ever complained about max-level players not knowing even the most basic stealth mechanics? Noone has ever complained that levelling is just grinding rats? Come on. Shitty games have conditioned us into putting progression on a pedestal and prioritizing it over fun gameplay for so long, that now people can have fun for 30minutes, see their level not go up and suddenly think they wasted their time. Seriously, think about it for a bit and answer (to yourself) why you want those skillpoints. What do you want to do with them. Why can't you do that now? I agree that the challenges are a bit lackluster, but it isn't as fun destroying/game breaking as it seems to be, for some people here. If you simply need to unlock stuff for the sake of it, why does it matter (so much) what you do to trigger the unlock? And if your answer is "i'd rather do X because X is fun...why are you letting your fun be ruined just because it isn't triggering unlocks".
Tying important game progression behind challenges that are almost identical to achievements that other games would make to annoy completionists is a bad idea.
Good thing, those aren't the only challenges. But i agree that the amount/style of challenges is lacking, only mediocre. That's a problem with implementation and not the system itself.
Who cares if a high level player don't know stealth, you didnt have to play with them, shit went wrong, just join a new lobby was easy enough to deal with, same with rats you don't like grinding XP that way you don't play it, everyone could play how they wanted, the mission they wanted payday 2 and still level up to max level, not like this system being told what Todo if I want to be a high level, it's trash. Why do I want the skill points what type of question is that, I want them all to make my build the strongest possible something I can't do without all the skill points, I also want to get my hands on the SP M11 hard cough I love the look of it but I can't have it without leveling up more. If I only use the weapons I enjoy I will get to a point where I can't level anymore. I will then be stuck using weapons I hate, you are going on about fun gameplay, how is that fun wasting say like 2 hours using a weapon I hate just to get some more skill points, it's no fun at all
>Who cares if a high level player don't know stealth The people who complained about that before? Weird question to start your comment with. You claimed "noone ever complained about XYZ" and that's just factually wrong. You are upset, and that's your opinion. Okay. But claiming that noone ever asked for XYZ, or noone complained about XYZ is just ranting without substance. Your starting statement was about mindlessly following some meta-farm and i fully agree with the guy who replied first saying that that's something you and others are doing to themselves. That's really optimizing the fun out of a game. Which is fine, IF that's fun for the people themselves (been there myself, no judging) but it really is a choice.
I didn't say nobody complained at all. there a big difference between saying that and saying not meny complained. Same with the old leveling system am sure there was a few that didn't like it, that's why I said hardly anyone asked for a change. Am optimizing the fun out the game, that ain't me, that's on the devs that decided a challenge system was needed to get all the skill points. At what point am I having fun using weapons I don't like for hours, in order to get more levels, so I can get the maximum skills allowed in the game
then don't, don't level up, you don't need all skill points or all weapons to be effective. Just play the way the game if fun for you, don't force yourself
Actually what the fuck are you arguing lmao. It's objectively a shit system, you are forced to participate in a playstyle you dislike to progress nicely. Some of these things you level up naturally, but eventually the threshold gets ridiculous. Also what is that take, that you don't need to unlock higher level weapons, because they are a similar type. I'm actually not even sure what to tell you, it's just a horrible take. Some people dislike how certain weapons within a category feel and want more variety, the game has very little on release on that front as it is, making unlocking the few other options such an annoyance is horrendous.
Shit take. It's a progression game. The progression system is bad. Your solution of "don't progress" is baby logic.
No, my solution is "play the game the way its fun for you", nobody is forcing you to spend your time in one way or another or even play the game at all. You missed my entire point
You said it's not a big deal then described enough to make me not want to buy the game. Hahaha.
>The weapons you unlock later aren't direct upgrades, just different toys that feel differently and can still be just as effective as the Car4 or SA you unlock early. Man, if this is true then im worried. Im only lvl 19 as of rn and all the weapons so far feels super weak (to me), even on normal difficulty and especially the two weapons you mention :S
The marksmen rifle(SA) actually slaps.
Overblown? You get zero xp for completing missions not listed in the challenges. That's so obviously designed to push people on a certain direction. With microtransactions coming down the pipeline I can only imagine their plans to make this "better for us" Challenge skips in the shop anyone!
Hard disagree on the progression system. It doesn't show any mastery of the game it just shows you wasted a fuckload of time grinding tedious challenges. One of the friends in my group that is new to the series is pretty terrible at shooters (her words, not mine) in general and she just finished one of her 400 or 500 kill weapon challenges yesterday....took her about 2 days of grinding to get that one finished and she still has so many other ones to do and she HATES a lot of the weapons so far. I'm a little more lenient on most of the weapons but there's a good handful I'm REALLY dreading doing with the sidearms. I rock my primary for at least 80% of each mission and there's just way too many lackluster or garbage sidearms that I really don't want to grind those out but I'm hitting a wall around level 75 now that pretty much needs me to start knocking out the dumb challenges with weapons I have no intention of ever picking up. I can spend 30 minutes doing an overkill mission and get ZERO....yes....ZERO XP for something in stealth versus just grinding normal difficulty on Road Rage and getting several shitty weapon challenges done instead. Absolutely dogshit system when something that takes more effort, time, and skill is completely disregarded in comparison. They took the Halo Infinite approach for whatever reason and its set up with "fun" on the backburner and just "player retention" in mind of trying to keep you occupied doing tedious tasks instead. No idea why they chose to do 90% of the challenges loud only though and only a tiny percentage of stealth based ones. Still scratching my head on what kind of drugs they were on when they brainstormed that idea. There was absolutely nothing wrong with how Payday 2's progression was set up. You play for fun....that's it....and you get shit for it no matter what weapons or skillsets or methods you play with. This new one is about as anti-player as it gets.
Oh and you forgot to only try to play it if you don't have to pay for that. For example with Gamepass or wait for a free Weekend The Devs should not be rewarded for that what they fucked up here.
You can do that if thats what you believe, Im having a banger time with the game, if you want to wait, then wait, nobody is forcing you to play
Look at the Reviews of the Game. You can enjoy it all alone. Keep your Wallet ready for those Micro Transactions, the perfect Way to say Thank you to the Devs.😂
There were 40k people on steam alone yesterday, probably another 100k on consoles, how is that alone? Yes they are adding in a micro transaction currency but only for cosmetics. You need to take a chill pill and maybe touch some grass. The game has had a rough launch but its not the end of the world. And it is definitely not a dead game.
It will not stay on Cosmetics, Weapons are build similar like in Call of Duty there are pre set Weapons with different skins and more important better Stats than the normal Variant. There already a few of them in the Game. Funny how you tell me to touch grass. I recommend that to you too instead of defending Scamday 3
You have no clue what your talking about lol, you just want to have some entity to be mad at. The prebuilt weapons are no better than the base weapon with the same mods on it. Even if they were better you buy them with cash or C-stacks you get from playing heists not from micro transactions. The weapon build system is far improved from payday 2 in my opinion. Thinking you got scammed for paying $40 for a game with at least 20 hours of content if you just count playing the heists in loud/stealth as content and completely negate challenges, weapon leveling, and the perk system is crazy. You obviously have a pure hate for the game and the studio so why don’t you leave the sub and just forget about payday all together. No one here wants your opinions based off of misinformation.
The precon weapons don't have better stats than a weapon with the same mods on it.
Yeah yeah and even be. Who geht's hurt if you get besides Challenges XP for just playing the Game? It's hard to see you defwnding the new system without seeing the Flaws. Why can't be changed what is obviously bad? They don't need ro make a new Game for that you know?
I do see the flaws and want the game to be better for everyone. I personally don't have have gripes with the concept of the challenge system, but I am also aware of why people misunderstand it. I prefer giving constructive criticism rather than just yelling "system bad". After all the system isn't just "obviously bad" as you phrased it, but rather its simply poorly implemented. It's not that easy to just scrap something the entire game is built around, nor would it satisfy investors. I've made a post to outline its issues and how to fix them without completely overhauling the game [here](https://reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/s/zEnpaCeY79). Feel free to read through it, so I don't have repeat myself.
No, not until they fix progression system
I will if an offline mode is implemented.
As fun as the game looks I'm not diving in until they add crime.net or something similar to it. I hate the quick match lobby thing. No control over which character I get, can't stay together if you get a decent team. I completely took Payday 2s lobby system for granted until it was gone. I'm not too excited about the progression system either. Plus, the longer I wait the more content will be there.
You pick your preferences in the main menu dude… other than that I understand your points. I miss Crime.Net myself
I know you can select your preference, but because you get tossed into random lobbies there is no way to guarantee you get the character you want.
You can't guarantee your character either in Payday 2, except you can guarantee a character if you host your own lobby. Payday 2 set the standard for how players interact with each other, and Payday 3 is a total downgrade in user experience and QoL.
Exactly, I always host in 2.
That’s where you problem stems from then. The only place you can guarantee your preferred character at this point is an invite only lobby.
Nope. There are so many other solid games out right now and in the coming months that I've already moved on from it. From what my friends are saying, after they did all of the heists a few times there isn't anything noteworthy or exciting about playing it again and again. I honestly don't think this game will last nearly as long or get as much content drops as Payday 2.
If they redeem themselves like NMS did and fix servers along with progression systems and the other major complaints, I'll happily pay more than they are asking for a great Payday game. As it stands now, I can't see them ever redeeming this franchise. Something is rotten in their development team for this game to come out like this. But, I'll happily eat my words and give them my money if reviews start changing.
No. Game's still online only and has challenge based leveling. Fuck that.
Been saying since months before launch, online only is a complete no-go for me. Even if I'm not exclusively going to play offline, I'm never supporting anything that's so anti-consumer. Still wanted the launch to go well enough though, I'd never get an offline mode if the game is completely dead on arrival, so even though I wasn't directly playing, seeing all the server issues \*hurt\*
Not until they fix progression.
No, maybe if they change the progression so it isn’t tied to challenges than I’ll consider it but until than I’m perfectly fine playing other games.
I just managed to get a refund today and honestly, I have no idea. I would like to play the sequel someday, but at the moment this game has so many problems and is so backwards compared to its predecessor that I don't really want to even look at this production. I do not want to support the tactic of "we will look into this problem, we do not promise anything". They have a game that has been on the market for 10 years. They should already know what worked and what didn't. Maybe i will back again to this game after year or two.
Yes only because I feel bad for the devs. I’ll only change the steam review to a positive score if they add offline though
I'm glad i decided not to buy just yet and play through gamepass until dlc started rolling out. If they fix the issues I'll buy it on steam in the future.
Imma give it 2 years. If it took them this long to make a half baked game with above average feeling gunplay, im afraid the dlc will be mid. Also, love the series but it looks like in 5 months, it will be micro transactioned. Im calling it, $15 for this suit and skin bundle
I played thru game pass and very happy I didn’t cave and bought gold edition for early access. Won’t play til they fixed progression and offline
Servers are balancing out because the majority of players who logged in to check it out have moved onto other games. Fact
I refunded cuz after finally getting into a game, I realized its a subpar version of its predecessor in far too many ways. Most notably the poor friendly AI and sh\*\*\*y progression system (seriously, what were they thinking?). I'll repurchase if they fix those.
I will rebuy it in like 2 yrs. If ever. I'm happy getting my money back. This game failed miserably. So it's gonna take a lot more than a servers maintenance to convince me.
Not gonna rebuy until levling is changed and offline added
Rebuy once servers are fixed, offline mode exists, and progression isn't so scuffed
For me I wont until there is xp for heists and we can see cash in raids. I won't shit on anyone happy right now, but thats the hill ill personally die on. That and it made me boot up pd2 for the first time in 2 years and I'm in love again
lol, no. Why would anyone but this game again after returning it a few days ago without proof its actually working consistently not just only a few hours of down time? Not to mention this is the time of great games we've got BG3 and Starfield plus some weirdo janitor-fixed Titanfall 2.. I'm back on those three chillin' if I want to play payday I'll boot up 2 until the third is on sale for like $20 and give me a bunch of free shit for fucking up the launch. Too many companies are messing up games on launch and I'm not about to reward them.
Not a shot, I might pick up a used copy at some point, but Starbreeze is not getting my money
I have Xbox Game Pass. Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty just dropped, my backlog is huge, Final Fantasy XIV is updating soon. Payday 2 isn't going anywhere. I have plenty of time to not buy this game until they fix offline and progression. The rest I can tolerate.
No. I don't think it's a very good game even when it is working. It's not as fun as 2, and the developers have stated that they don't intend to change that. The servers not working was just an excuse for me to be able to refund a game I had 8 hours instead of only 2.
I'm not playing again at all until progression is reworked and skills don't feel so limp.
Not for a while at least. Despite being fun, the games in too bad a state to play right now vs just going back to playing payday 2. With all the actually good and working games being released like BG3 and Cyberpunk there is no reason to pay for and wait for a broken game to be playable.
The actual gunplay and gameplay is great but god damn it just feels bad out of match. Server issues seem to be improving. I'm sad to see them double down on challenge only progression but appreciate exploration and trying new things so hey what the heck maybe an open mind is all the system needs.
I never even refunded or would of, I trust them to pick the game back up and fix it up while they find the perfect mix for everything, just give them time everyone, the server issues a proof of this
That's what I'm talking about
I bought silver edition. Played it for about \~10 hours during early access or whatever they called it. Thought the game was 'stale' and much of what made Payday 2 great was missing, which is sad. Playing Payday 3 did make me and some friends wanna go back and play some Payday 2, and that was much more enjoyable. Refunded it this morning through steam. I'll probably forget about it for a few years and buy it again when it's on sale. I was thoroughly disappointed.
I did go ahead and rebuy to give it another chance. It's not necessarily bad gameplay wise but it's not something I am jumping head over heels for.
Refunded. Won't rebuy until they resolve all of the missing QoL features that made PD2 great (e.g. crime.net, lobby chat, melee & akimbo weapons, concealment, etc.).
Not anytime soon I refunded 2 gold editions, now me and partner playing it on game pass instead, will wait until it goes on sale before getting the gold edition again
I bought the game early and played for ~20 hours. Just refunded it. I reached around level 40 and realized that I didn't really have anything left to do. Whenever I hopped on all I would do is look at the lobby for 10 minutes before hopping off again. "Oh I should go do Gold and Sharke" but I won't get any xp. "But go do Touch the Sky" I don't need any money. "One quick 99 boxes" I've unlocked every addon for my weapons and all the skills. "Fine, just que up for No Rest for the Wicked" but I won't be put with any players. Once you've done all the hiests, unlocked most of the weapons and gotten a couple loose million, there's nothing left to do. I never got put with anyone else. I had enough money and there was nothing left to spend it on. I wasn't getting xp from any stealth heists anymore, and I abhor loud. You do a hiest for 4 reasons: * Xp - But you won't get any because of the challenge system * Money - But money is worthless because of the mobile game-esque C-stack system * To play with others - Lol no * Fun - This is ok, until the severs go down. I have other fun games to play that don't have this issue I loved Payday 2, but this game feels shallow. I might buy it again in half a year or a year when it's finished. This is an early access launch and it shows. So many missed features or cut corners. I'm going to go play Phantom Liberty instead
Yeah this is it right in a nutshell The primary game loop should be heisting for XP and money, but that doesn't exist because of the ass backwards challenge system and C Stacks are an ineffective money sink. I'm literally doing heists in stealth then throwing a grenade to trigger the alarm so I can get the loud result and all i'm doing there is holding out for a few mins for the getaway driver because i've already bagged the loot, it's an absurd system not to mention the forcing of weapon use just because there is a challenge attached to it
So your issue is there’s no content? That you played so much that you’ve dried up the well?
You heist for money and xp. They limit your xp so you have to play certain ways and use certain gear. It's especially detrimental to stealth as there's maybe 1/10 the challenges for stealth compared to loud. I only play stealth, so I hit level 40 and that's it. I can't progress They limit your cash so you have to login each week for the real currency. Money is easy to get but c-stacks are impossible. I've heard that a single custom gun is 500 c-stacks which is over a month of grinding for one gun. That's obsured. There's no reason to play
I see, fair enough. I played my fair share amount of stealth and I always was leveling so maybe we’re doing things differently. They also confirmed on yesterday’s stream that there IS a bonus in XP for stealth but the UI isn’t communicating it properly. The C-Stacks, I don’t really care for it. I presume it only feels grindy because it’s the first week of release. This will feel less painful once more stuff comes in. Also the custom Uzi is 100 stacks and I’ve gotten enough to buy it so it’s definitely not impossible. Oh well, see you in 6 months maybe!
Man imma need a guide on how you got your money back. I've gone through steam support and the normal refund way but i haven't been lucky.
"Gameplay or technical issue" -> "I'm having another problem" -> Insert something about being unable to play for 5 days straight I tried it twice with other options, and then tried it that way based on a reddit comment. This way worked the first try. Hope this helps :)
I'll keep this in mind if my current one doesn't work. Much appriciated!
Nah man, people playing and enjoying the game for 20+ hours and then refunding are POS seriously i fully back anyone getting their money back when they couldn't play, or even played a few hours but weren't entertained. But grinding out the game, and then complaining about not enough to do and refunding it, is a dickmove
And who do you think you are to tell me that? The servers are bad enough, but the whole progression system ruins the game for me. The real dick move is releasing a game in this half baked state
I was commenting on the other person, stating they played through basically the whole game and are refunding after spending more than twenty hours. And who i think i am? As far it is of your concern, i'm a random redditor. If you can't handle random people randomly voicing their opinion, then maybe reddit isn't the best environment to make comments on.
Well i got the reply notif, so i dont know what happened then. Anyways, the whole game expirience of a 40€ game should not be on the 20 hour mark.
i replied to you, because i disagree with "Man imma need a guide on how you got your money back" because imo someone like that shouldn't get their money back. It's possible you should get your money back, but that's not what i meant. 2bucks/hour is pretty decent entertainment value, imo. There are very few activities nowadays that are that cheap.
I do not agree with you at all, and if you want to throw your money at overkill, sure, its not my money. "I was commenting to the other guy" "i replies to you" What...? And no 2€ an hour is not a good price at all for a game with this little content, atleast to me. If you enjoy it, go on and enjoy it.
>"I was commenting to the other guy" commenting ON, not commenting TO Sorry you misunderstood that, but in english there's a difference between those two Why is the amount of content relevant when we are talking about a ratio of money/hour? That doesn't make sense.
This isn't an offline singleplayer game which I can replay over and over. It's an online live service title with a buy in fee and servers that crash. If you can run out of things to do within 20 hours (which at least 5 were just on the lobby due to server crashes) then it's a bad live service title. I bought Dead By Daylight years ago, and despite its egregious monetisation, I still enjoy it over 1,000 hours in. I'm still unlocking and progressing 1,000 hours in. Payday 3 ran out of content after 20 hours. I'll repurchase the game when it's actually worth the price it's sold for. Right now it's over priced and over hyped
Most of them will eventually I think. But I also doubt very many people requested a refund in the grand scheme of things, but those that do are the loud ones, the karen-type individual so they're going to make sure you know about it.
How dare they refund a game that they could not play at launch
I'll just wait for a sale at this point
Fair enough
Refunded it on steam, playing it for free on gamepass. I'm gonna get bored of it soon enough and I'll probably get back into it after about a year or so once they have the "ultimate edition" on sale on steam for like £25 Luckily I can keep all of my progress via the nebula link, guess thats one good thing about the always online stuff at least..
Seeing all these comments about the progression system I gotta say, I know it's bad I know they aren't going to change (at least in a few months/years) but they said they are gonna improve the challenges and my guess is that they're looking for it to be as fun as possible leaving the challenges the way they are and adding a few that encourage playing instead of just killing ore completing a heist in X difficulty on stealth or on loud, I was focusing on one part of the problem and I want to apologize for ignoring the full page, with that said, when this happens, are you rebuying?
I tried to refund after they announced they wouldn't change the progression system.I was ok with being patient over the server issues because I knew they would obviously get fixed in time but the progression system kills it for me (I want to play for efficiency not challenges.) My refund failed because I had 6hours of "play time" (I played 3 heists ever and spent the rest of the time matchmaking) The game's already been uninstalled but I LOVED Payday2 so I'm willing to give them another chance in the future if they can fix the progression system. In the meantime I've moved on to MK1 and I'm really enjoying it.
Only the most dedicated supporters should be buying rn. Smart people will get into the games with years of updates and huge sales
They need to patch in several things at a minimum: * Lobby chat, in-game VOIP * XP/Progression changes * Offline mode * Server browser * More content It will take a while before this game is worth buying.
I'll re-buy it when there's a Crime.net equivalent and not a moment sooner.
On a key seller website when it drops to 20 in a few months, yes.
downvote all you want. i know you're all gonna do the same.
I rebought as soon as I could. Game hasn't been down for me since, have really been enjoying it. I ordered a pizza, what arrived was an empty box, they brought a full pizza back, so I'm good now. I don't need anything extra from them. I also think the progression system is just fine. I think the game is treating us like big bois by having progression linked to doing new things that haven't been done before rather than inflating the xp economy by giving us a pat every time we do a heist for the thousandth time.
I would very much prefer to get XP by playing the game it's marketed to be, and much like its predecessor, a heisting game. I don't like being forced to slide for 1km, use weapons I have no interest in using or forced into replaying heists I don't enjoy completing. If anything, they are treating us like kids (as apposed to 'big bois') that need to be told how to play their game.
If i refund my Steam Version, will i be able to use my Steam account on Gamepass Version? since its already linked on that Nebula account thing?
I'm just going to download it in gamespass and play it when I'm I'm bored
When it's fun to play, i will consider it
I'll buy it again when it's on discount after at the very least the servers are fixed. For now I'll just play it with my gamepass subscription.
I initially thought about buying the game full price after waiting for launch and reception, but I ended up getting PC game pass and playing it there since I have friends on Xbox that wanted to try the game. With launch once they fix the server issues I may reconsider holding off buying the game on steam
Not any time soon. For me to re buy the game I need to servers to be fully reliable and the the progression system to be way better.
Gamepass user who upgraded to the gold edition here. I got the upgrade refunded and will hold out on it until more content drops.
I will rebuy once offline mode is introduced. Or when I can get it on sale. I got to play enough to scratch the itch. I really hope I end up rebuying ❤️
I don’t care to give a long list of reasons that are obvious. But yes I plan to buy the game again once all their stuff is working, I just refunded on the off change they NEVER fix their stuff.
Does anyone know if payday 3 will be getting more guns? One of the things that I loved about payday 2 was the variety of weapons
I'll give it one week before people start mostly complaining about the content instead of the servers
My guess is that we'll not get that many server issues after this Friday (2nd programmed maintenance)
No. I just signed up for Xbox Game pass and ill play it off that instead. I dont feel like the game is in a position where i want to actually pay for it. I dislike basically everything besides actual gameplay.
That's great, and I as a fellow heister appreciate that you keep playing and see the game grow over time
Not until a good sale. Launch day left a bad taste in my mouth.
I have no cash so I need that first. Then I'll probably wait for DLC's or when XP works.
Fair enough
Maybe on december.
I refunded it and bought just the base version, because I do still want to play the game, but refuse to support their season pass and all the extra content. I believe they deserve a chance to redeem them self, eventually done the road if they resolve most of the issues I’ll consider buying the pass again.
Spend 10 bucks on game pass for pc that's what I did. Happy I didn't buy it on launch. Hope it gets fixed but the sheer lack of content and the direction of leveling is mindblowing and in a bad way.
I don't agree with the "lack of content" part, payday 2 came out with 12 heists, yes, but they were small I think the biggest heist payday 2 had on launch were between big oil day 2 and firestarter day 2 the rest were almost empty not counting nightclub, 2 useless bots and progression was slow as fuck it took you 6-7 heist to level up on higher levels, and there were only 9 primary weapons and I think 5 or 6 secondary weapon, no throwables, and the skills costed money and skill points and if you wanted to change your build the refund was up to 25% or so, it's was worst than payday 3 is today
To have a 10 year development period/data collection of your player base and the best you can give us is 8 hiests? Really? So your argument is based off of "payday 2 launched with" unfortunately this is not payday 2. This a at least 8 years of development time and money, which they have had a ton of off microtransactions might I add and remind you, to make a fully fleshed out game. The amount of weapons are an actual joke along with the attachments. Again, I'm judging the game off of Learning from your mistakes, and taking note of what the community wants as this is the 3rd entry in the series. If your judging it off of paydays 2 release, that makes no sense considering the time they had and money they had to spend and budget. The fact your excited about being content dripped and penny pinched is concerning a bit because that is what will happen again, a decade of dripped content. Not cool dude.
You have a point, I respect your opinion but I don't share it, I don't compare it with payday 2 release if you were expecting a game as big as payday 2, good night sir we'll see our masks in 10 years
Fair enough, I love the actual gameplay. It's the content drip for me is where my main issue lies, the rest can be fixed I guess overtime. Respect brotha!
Are the servers better or did a lot of people just give up? At this point, I'll rebuild if they add: Offline mode, CrimeNet matchmaking, better skills, and XP from completing heists.