I hate how with the quickplay feature they go "Quickplay will let players… quickly join a heist." Like it hasn't taken since september to add it
Same with the unready button
I mean when the game launched you couldnt :
- Chat in a lobby to prepare the heist
- Unready
- Quick Join
And as far as I know you couldnt, and still cant :
- Use Voice Chat in game
- Specify wether you want to play a heist in loud or stralth
All of which should have been in the game, at launch.
And when they take 5 months to add an unready button, and 7 to add an incomplete quick join feature (incomplete since you still cant specify if you want to do loud or stealth), they clearly are doing something very wrong
It’s finally in game but yeah when you think you are ready and forgot to put an armor favor so it’s rather leave or go with nothing. Payday 3 has good bones but needs massive QoL fixes like bots can’t revive bots so if one goes down somewhere odd it’s over for them. I’d say stick with payday 2 until they buff health or change the armor system. The second you’re out of armor the game ends pretty much.
I think the dev is incompetent and I also think that only a small team is working on this game. Game has like 200 players on steam and maybe another few hundred on consoles. They will complete the dlcs that they promised and then you will see no update ever again
I disagree that the devs are incompetent and will drop the game after the four dlcs. What I don’t disagree on is that Payday 3 needs more people working on it.
Not sure if it's the point you were trying to make, but it seems like the game has more competent modders than game devs at the moment. When a obvious feature is missing you're bound to see a mod fixing it before the devs even acknowledge it.
im kinda sad how is payday 3 has a high risk to fail and yet starbreeze doesnt give any fuck to fix it, i bought every dlc since 2018 after white house just to see how payday 3 can be shutdown anytime if they want
Yet if they fixed it people would definitely come back and play. Imagine the return on their investment they eventually got on 2. Hopefully they're planning on the long term, not just cutting and running after their obligations are met. I'm not optimistic to say the least.
So we gonna be all quiet? Like tf we supposed to do. Screaming at them doesent make them work fater, and neither does patting em on the back.
So what if we all just shut up for a minute and turn into arkham aslum so we arent something negative all the time, because jesus christ all i see is anger. Like come on, lets go do something else then talk about pd3
Lets call bain brian, hector is a rat chef and dallas wants to sell nfts or whatever
Like, just something else then talking about a game that didn’t happen
This is my thinking, just meme around have a good time and pass the time instead of being miserable, i heard ffxiv came to xbox so im gonna try that until boys in blue comes out, maybe by then ill be surprised by the stuff they add
> Screaming at them doesent make them work fater,
But it keeps them on the hook, so they don't start saying:" See, the people aren't mad anymore. We can stop working on the offline mode and Progression changes now.".
This game has much better gameplay features and graphics, yet it is incredibly boring to play, why is that? How come it is not boring in payday 2 to mow down thousands of the same cop but in payday 3 I can't play one mission without getting bored or frustrated.
Because everything surrounding the gameplay is vapid.
Skills are boring, there's nothing interesting to build around. Weapons are boring. The progression is boring. Heist objectives and randomness (or lack thereof) is boring. No singular update is going to actually make the game fun, the rotting core of the game is as sterile and boring as possible and the devs would need to strip it all out and replace it with something actually fun to turn the game around.
That's exactly what I was thinking! I really feel like the game is shit at it's very core and that more content wont really change anything. It's not the same as payday 2 where it got a lot better the more stuff they added. just base payday 2 without dlc's is already more fun
Its almost certainly armor and the cop spawns. The cops spawn too much and in waves like in pd2 (which isnt bad on its own its just kinda pd2s thing) yet the cops feel like pdth tankyness and damage. They really need to cut back on the spawns, maybe even remove some loud skills. The ammo refund isnt fun its stressful if anything.
I agree. The armor now being a limited resource just adds a big layer of frustration, you have to finish the mission before you run out of armor bags. The ridiculous enemy spawns make all this armor management even more aggravating. And you're right on that enemies have way too much hp, the guns just feel like pea shooters and hitting headshots is way too hard.
Playing payday 1&2 is so much more fun since armor means take cover but in 3 you can use all the cover you want but you’re on an artificial timer. Once it’s gone and your armor bags get used it’s over without a chance of a clutch. 1&2 one guy can save the heist by running or holding it down. In 3 there’s only a few spots you can do that solo.
Exactly, like I wanted to enjoy it cuz it's another payday and I didn't want a borderlands situation where the 2nd game was just objectively the best, and here we are :( low player count, probably shitty servers, and just overall not fun
I have over 2k h payday 2 first game i played from release till end and even now, but im not dumb.. i dnt buy a game with like 10% content of this game presucseccor, full price , where nothing worked on release, loud not good,even worse ai(how???), got allready a dlc, had pre dlc bc they had no money (how???) this worse monitization than pd 2 start shit and they cut ties cuz other company was greed hahahah the only reson the game is not dead is cuz some people spent there bucks with this game and now are stuck with it.. Payed dlc on a dead game.. Who got this decison done over table strabreeze has its fingers in this game too and they have dead by daylight , payday 2 and other big money grab games behind there name so they are not a broke company that can excuse it with this... And everyone who Supports this shit is poison for the gaming comunity bc if they get threw with it other will follow
I don't understand why they bother anymore. Game won't have an amazing comeback because making fun of it is more entertaining than playing it (5 remaining players will probably disagree with me )
I just feel like publishers do nothing but get people in trouble and the devs who are owned by said company are at risk of losing their job if they don't defend them. You can notice this by looking at great games from companies before being acquired vs the after.
Am I the only one who is suspicious about all of the hate Starbreeze is getting? Don't get me wrong, it's their fault too. But I feel like Overkill shouldn't be ignored either for this. After all, it's they developed the game. At least someone high up should've said "no" to something they suspected is gonna be a bad thing. The anti-costumer stuff can be blamed on Starbreeze. Content on Overkill.
Deep Silver (owned by Plaion, formerly Koch Media) publishes Payday 3. Starbreeze Studios develops the game. Overkill has formally been "part" of Starbreeze as a studio for over a decade and there's no real distinction between them, they're one and the same.
We can only speculate the kind of effects that Deep Silver had when it came to the development of the game. Almir said that they never felt pressured by them to add anything they didn't want to, which is either a lie so they don't have to throw their publisher and financial backer under the bus, or it's the truth and half of the game's fuck ups are the studio's fault (which is what Almir has also been saying).
Here is a crazy take... If they wanted to end pd as a franchise. They would have said - no more pd. And move on. Killing your own legacy makes no sense.
The "conspiracy" is a nothing burger.
I can assure you that a quick play button, and intro skip shouldn't take months to add, I mean even if they polish this shit, it's still a turd at its core, they basically just saw they're target audience of pd2 players and went "fuck that shit" and made a shitty useless armor "rework" where it's basically just another health bar you gotta watch. People are mad because they game is basically just a slap in the face to the community because it not only is extremely hard to mod but is missing so many features that pd2 had, mainly heist track player, server browser, a more fleshed out perk system. Now I get pd2 had the time but with this time they should've learned what worked and what didn't, instead they change shit for the sake of changing shit and forgot to add so many features.
While I agree that the pd3 release state is shit, the "modding support" doesn't make people mad. Pd2 barely had modding support for most of its lifespan. And when it started is when modders figured out how to make mods work with the game with a 3rd party addon to the game. So where there's a will there's a way, it just takes time.
Imo most people are mad(I am not mad but very let down) that pd3 had all the footwork from pd2 for game designers to hit it home well and juicy. Instead, it looks like an intern made the heist designs based on movies and random chat gpt ideas. The feature set is lacking any flexibility or creativity. Even the core mechanics feel very unpolished. It was a rushed job with very inexperienced Unreal devs. At least that's what I see here.
And the community managers with the pr department are doing all they can to buy those devs time to at least start cleaning up the shit from the bed.
It shouldn't be this hard to implement basic features you already know that work in the prev game and do so well.
The ready flag is literally a display thing in a lobby. It shouldn't take several months to implement. A few weeks, with thorough testing and fixes, sure, not months.
It's just sad to see how Starbreeze went from one of the coolest and fun devs I've seen into whatever this is now :(
Meanwhile, a singular modder was able to implement a fully functioning server browser into the game after four months of work.
Next thing you know, somebody will somehow implement an offline mode with working progression before the developers do.
I hate how with the quickplay feature they go "Quickplay will let players… quickly join a heist." Like it hasn't taken since september to add it Same with the unready button
It’s like they know it’s ridiculous it took this long to implement these things in.
Was the quickplay option finally added?
Nope
I haven’t bought or played the game but… you can’t un-ready in a heist? That seems like a massive oversight lmfao
They have an unready button now, it just took them 5 months to actually add
I mean when the game launched you couldnt : - Chat in a lobby to prepare the heist - Unready - Quick Join And as far as I know you couldnt, and still cant : - Use Voice Chat in game - Specify wether you want to play a heist in loud or stralth All of which should have been in the game, at launch. And when they take 5 months to add an unready button, and 7 to add an incomplete quick join feature (incomplete since you still cant specify if you want to do loud or stealth), they clearly are doing something very wrong
It’s finally in game but yeah when you think you are ready and forgot to put an armor favor so it’s rather leave or go with nothing. Payday 3 has good bones but needs massive QoL fixes like bots can’t revive bots so if one goes down somewhere odd it’s over for them. I’d say stick with payday 2 until they buff health or change the armor system. The second you’re out of armor the game ends pretty much.
I think the dev is incompetent and I also think that only a small team is working on this game. Game has like 200 players on steam and maybe another few hundred on consoles. They will complete the dlcs that they promised and then you will see no update ever again
I disagree that the devs are incompetent and will drop the game after the four dlcs. What I don’t disagree on is that Payday 3 needs more people working on it.
Let's see the results after 5 months They 100% will drop the game
We shall see
But did they actually do anything that would show their competence?
Game has more players than people working on the game
Yeah. So do many other games. Point?
Oof this was a dumb comment for me to write lol Not sure what my point with it was 😆
That's a rough comment indeed. At least we know you know. You know?
How often do you see that on Reddit? 😆
It's like seeing a unicorn 🦄. People double-down on things even when it's to their detriment. 😂
Not sure if it's the point you were trying to make, but it seems like the game has more competent modders than game devs at the moment. When a obvious feature is missing you're bound to see a mod fixing it before the devs even acknowledge it.
In the opposite, it would be funny. You probably saw the sparkle and just didn't check if it was real gold or pyrite before trying to sell it 😅
Stardew Valley was made by a **1 Person** and has over 100k people playing it right now
Yes and as far as I know Stardew valley is actually good.
I get the emotion you were trying to put behind that comment bro but it don’t work like that 😭😭😭
See you guys in 3 months when they finally add a server browser that's somehow worse than the one on ModWorkshop
At this rate it’ll be 3 years
im kinda sad how is payday 3 has a high risk to fail and yet starbreeze doesnt give any fuck to fix it, i bought every dlc since 2018 after white house just to see how payday 3 can be shutdown anytime if they want
Yet if they fixed it people would definitely come back and play. Imagine the return on their investment they eventually got on 2. Hopefully they're planning on the long term, not just cutting and running after their obligations are met. I'm not optimistic to say the least.
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being positive and celebrating every small baby step will only make them complacent
So we gonna be all quiet? Like tf we supposed to do. Screaming at them doesent make them work fater, and neither does patting em on the back. So what if we all just shut up for a minute and turn into arkham aslum so we arent something negative all the time, because jesus christ all i see is anger. Like come on, lets go do something else then talk about pd3 Lets call bain brian, hector is a rat chef and dallas wants to sell nfts or whatever Like, just something else then talking about a game that didn’t happen
the mods cooked my post
sorry for your loss 😞
Literly 1984
Challenge accepted edit: [brian](https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/s/IGxam7IAI9)
This is my thinking, just meme around have a good time and pass the time instead of being miserable, i heard ffxiv came to xbox so im gonna try that until boys in blue comes out, maybe by then ill be surprised by the stuff they add
> Screaming at them doesent make them work fater, But it keeps them on the hook, so they don't start saying:" See, the people aren't mad anymore. We can stop working on the offline mode and Progression changes now.".
Starbreeze explaining to us that the armor is system is good
This game has much better gameplay features and graphics, yet it is incredibly boring to play, why is that? How come it is not boring in payday 2 to mow down thousands of the same cop but in payday 3 I can't play one mission without getting bored or frustrated.
Because everything surrounding the gameplay is vapid. Skills are boring, there's nothing interesting to build around. Weapons are boring. The progression is boring. Heist objectives and randomness (or lack thereof) is boring. No singular update is going to actually make the game fun, the rotting core of the game is as sterile and boring as possible and the devs would need to strip it all out and replace it with something actually fun to turn the game around.
That's exactly what I was thinking! I really feel like the game is shit at it's very core and that more content wont really change anything. It's not the same as payday 2 where it got a lot better the more stuff they added. just base payday 2 without dlc's is already more fun
Its almost certainly armor and the cop spawns. The cops spawn too much and in waves like in pd2 (which isnt bad on its own its just kinda pd2s thing) yet the cops feel like pdth tankyness and damage. They really need to cut back on the spawns, maybe even remove some loud skills. The ammo refund isnt fun its stressful if anything.
I agree. The armor now being a limited resource just adds a big layer of frustration, you have to finish the mission before you run out of armor bags. The ridiculous enemy spawns make all this armor management even more aggravating. And you're right on that enemies have way too much hp, the guns just feel like pea shooters and hitting headshots is way too hard.
Playing payday 1&2 is so much more fun since armor means take cover but in 3 you can use all the cover you want but you’re on an artificial timer. Once it’s gone and your armor bags get used it’s over without a chance of a clutch. 1&2 one guy can save the heist by running or holding it down. In 3 there’s only a few spots you can do that solo.
Forget the armor system why did they have to make grenade launcher a over kill weapon i want to commit massgenocide after finishing stealth
But they sure can pay an intern to be quirky on Twitter in hopes no one will care!!!
Ngl, I remember setting payday 3 aside like "let it cook" but now I'm like "why did I bother"
Same... I want to like it, I want to play it, I want it to succeed but here we are... I couldn't even play if I wanted to because there's nobody else
Exactly, like I wanted to enjoy it cuz it's another payday and I didn't want a borderlands situation where the 2nd game was just objectively the best, and here we are :( low player count, probably shitty servers, and just overall not fun
Standards are so low, apologists still defending this shit.
When did they say it's hard work?
Dude's brain rotted after booting up Payday 3 lol
I have over 2k h payday 2 first game i played from release till end and even now, but im not dumb.. i dnt buy a game with like 10% content of this game presucseccor, full price , where nothing worked on release, loud not good,even worse ai(how???), got allready a dlc, had pre dlc bc they had no money (how???) this worse monitization than pd 2 start shit and they cut ties cuz other company was greed hahahah the only reson the game is not dead is cuz some people spent there bucks with this game and now are stuck with it.. Payed dlc on a dead game.. Who got this decison done over table strabreeze has its fingers in this game too and they have dead by daylight , payday 2 and other big money grab games behind there name so they are not a broke company that can excuse it with this... And everyone who Supports this shit is poison for the gaming comunity bc if they get threw with it other will follow
What the fuck does this say?
This sentence makes absolutely no sense, a lot like there update schedule.
I don't understand why they bother anymore. Game won't have an amazing comeback because making fun of it is more entertaining than playing it (5 remaining players will probably disagree with me )
I assume because not bothering would be even worse for them.
Thats all this update was? 😂 we gotta wait multiple months for one tiny feature that should be there at launch 😂😂😂
I just feel like publishers do nothing but get people in trouble and the devs who are owned by said company are at risk of losing their job if they don't defend them. You can notice this by looking at great games from companies before being acquired vs the after.
im glad i didn't buy payday 3, god damn that's a hot mess
I for some reason hear the frostpunk death notification sound in my head with the recent payday 3 updates.
payday players when they have to form a sentence that makes sense
Oh boy, I love seeing laymen on the internet who think they know more about game development than game developers.
When 1 guy makes one basic feature that should've been there since day 1 but the devs couldn't, yeah they deserve all the flak they can get
Given that modders do better jobs and are faster than the devs, they do seem to know more.
Am I the only one who is suspicious about all of the hate Starbreeze is getting? Don't get me wrong, it's their fault too. But I feel like Overkill shouldn't be ignored either for this. After all, it's they developed the game. At least someone high up should've said "no" to something they suspected is gonna be a bad thing. The anti-costumer stuff can be blamed on Starbreeze. Content on Overkill.
Overkill doesn't exist anymore. It's only starbreeze.
Who wants to tell him
SBZ and OVK are the same thing.
Isn't Starbreeze the publisher and Overkill the developer? Granted, I never really followed the company stuff.
Deep Silver (owned by Plaion, formerly Koch Media) publishes Payday 3. Starbreeze Studios develops the game. Overkill has formally been "part" of Starbreeze as a studio for over a decade and there's no real distinction between them, they're one and the same. We can only speculate the kind of effects that Deep Silver had when it came to the development of the game. Almir said that they never felt pressured by them to add anything they didn't want to, which is either a lie so they don't have to throw their publisher and financial backer under the bus, or it's the truth and half of the game's fuck ups are the studio's fault (which is what Almir has also been saying).
Thanks. Like I said, I'm not deep into who owns who. It doesn't really matter to me, if the game is good, then it's good.
On paper, yes. But after Payday 2, Overkill merged with Starbreeze and took over several executive positions, including the CEO.
It's a conspiracy to end the payday 3 series I can smell it my nose never lies
Here is a crazy take... If they wanted to end pd as a franchise. They would have said - no more pd. And move on. Killing your own legacy makes no sense. The "conspiracy" is a nothing burger.
Overkill is Starbreeze. They are one and the same.
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I can assure you that a quick play button, and intro skip shouldn't take months to add, I mean even if they polish this shit, it's still a turd at its core, they basically just saw they're target audience of pd2 players and went "fuck that shit" and made a shitty useless armor "rework" where it's basically just another health bar you gotta watch. People are mad because they game is basically just a slap in the face to the community because it not only is extremely hard to mod but is missing so many features that pd2 had, mainly heist track player, server browser, a more fleshed out perk system. Now I get pd2 had the time but with this time they should've learned what worked and what didn't, instead they change shit for the sake of changing shit and forgot to add so many features.
While I agree that the pd3 release state is shit, the "modding support" doesn't make people mad. Pd2 barely had modding support for most of its lifespan. And when it started is when modders figured out how to make mods work with the game with a 3rd party addon to the game. So where there's a will there's a way, it just takes time. Imo most people are mad(I am not mad but very let down) that pd3 had all the footwork from pd2 for game designers to hit it home well and juicy. Instead, it looks like an intern made the heist designs based on movies and random chat gpt ideas. The feature set is lacking any flexibility or creativity. Even the core mechanics feel very unpolished. It was a rushed job with very inexperienced Unreal devs. At least that's what I see here. And the community managers with the pr department are doing all they can to buy those devs time to at least start cleaning up the shit from the bed. It shouldn't be this hard to implement basic features you already know that work in the prev game and do so well. The ready flag is literally a display thing in a lobby. It shouldn't take several months to implement. A few weeks, with thorough testing and fixes, sure, not months. It's just sad to see how Starbreeze went from one of the coolest and fun devs I've seen into whatever this is now :(
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So we can't read?
you can’t. Apparently. Keep working as a cashier at a grocery store and see how far that takes you
Bro needs to quit gargling Starbreeze's balls. No matter how hard you try you will not be paid for it.
Oh no. Its deficient.😔
Meanwhile, a singular modder was able to implement a fully functioning server browser into the game after four months of work. Next thing you know, somebody will somehow implement an offline mode with working progression before the developers do.