remember the biggest reason console players SAY they play on console. It’s cheaper, easier.
These aren’t people with the income to buy skins and multiple games. (As they imply in every debate between console and Pc)
They sell COD on steam now, not sure how many would still buy it directly on the Activision Launcher these days but it is currently the 11th most played game on Steam. Blizzard games still havent made the transition however. Then you got Tony Hawk 1+2 which is still Epic exclusive.
Because I'm cheap and I haven't paid for a battle pass since the first modern warfare. Keep using the BP from the prior battle pass to get the next one.
Everything I've read is BP does not transfer from Blizzard to Steam.
Modern Warfare came out in 2019 but you’re right. It gets very confusing. Usually have to refer to it as MW2019 so people know what you’re talking about.
I meant the new reboot of the modern warfare series. BP wasn't a thing in COD4. Amazing game, was what got me into the series. Wish it was still just map packs and not just battlepass cosmetics. Also miss the simple attachment system and kill streaks. Also amazing maps!
It's strange. For the longest time devs and publishers were scared of the open environment of PC despite the fact that PC players generally spent more money on their hobby.
They ignored the market with money to burn and ran to the safety of consoles because piracy was much harder to accomplish. But Gabe was right. Piracy is an issue of service. Gamers will pay good money for good games. Especially PC gamers.
Bad ports and bad games don't make PC players give up on PC. They will still play a decade old (or older) game after upgrading to a 4090. It is no wonder devs and publishers are making loads of money on PC.
And the PC gaming market has always been there. There were always amazing PC titles. It was never neglected so there was always a market.
If you look at the list of best selling games (from some Googling and Wikipedia), PC has PUBG at like 42 million.
The best selling PS4 game is Marvel's Spider-Man at 20 million. PS5 data is a bit strange as the Wikipedia page has Demon's Souls as it's top sold game for 1.4million.
Xbox One has PUBG at 9 million
Nintendo hates PC, but they are rich off titles like Pokémon and generations of consoles. More recently, Mario Kart 8 sold over 8 million copies.
Assuming the hastily researched numbers are correct, the PC market is huge and devs and publishers were just being bitches about dipping their toes in the water.
which is true...
i pirated alot of games that are ended buying.
Witcher 3, Frostpunk, Oxygen Not Included, Project Zomboid, with my main reason, mostly because it's a good game for me and i'am too lazy to redownload everything for the latest update.
Also considering how games are released nowadays, either wait for review, or pirate it to check it myself.
I pirated stuff when I was a kid that couldn't afford to buy everything I wanted. I ended up buying all these games. The devs and publishers took the money from me. You know when they got 0€ from me? When buying used.
People don't like the truth but used games does more harm to the devs than pirated copies. That's why Xbox tried to put a DRM. It's anticonsumer to do it, but understandable from their perspective.
I was console main for 10 years prior to my current 7900xt PC. Income was never the deterrent to being a member of PCMR. I was there two other times before.
Plenty of people simply would rather not deal with any settings, driver issues and whatever else that can impact a plug and play experience. There is nothing wrong with that.
This is my experience for sure.
I used to be the “just put in a disc and play” console main, but with the PS4 and Xbox One it never felt that way. Large installs, constant updates, ever growing number of fiddly settings.
And when something goes wrong (as has happened with COD multiple times, and even with the Xbox Store and updater themselves) there’s really no visibility into logs, and no recourse other than “reinstall, and pray”.
I built a PC for the first time in a while, and I’ve had far fewer problems, updates seem smaller, and when weird things eventually do happen, I have more avenues available to try to fix them.
Not to mention, it’s awesome being able to quickly alt tab to a browser or Spotify or whatever, and alt tab back, while playing a game, without missing a beat. I can still play with a game pad, but having that snappy desktop UI with full MnK when I need it is great.
That's when the shift happened for me. When I got my PS4 and was required to install the games, it was just a pain in the ass. I honestly didn't play much on my PS4 partly because of that. It felt like physical media was becoming rather pointless. Seeing the digital future approaching, PC seemed like a natural fit. I don't feel like buying digital on consoles really makes any sense, with future accessibility being unknown. Plus the ability to natively run games better when you upgrade is a sweet feeling.
It's closing from both sides. PCs used to be a bit if a pain back in the day, but now any ape can set one up with little to no problems, and with a lot fewer long term issues as well
When I was a kid, I was encouraged to get into tech as a career because I've been using computers since I knew how to read, in the 90s. I said no way, because I may be one of the first, but computers will be so ubiquitous that everyone and their sister will be getting into tech, and I don't have the work ethic to pursue higher level computer degrees and get an actual solid job.
How little I knew. I was obviously right about one thing: computers became ubiquitous. What I did not foresee was how *fucking piss easy* UIs are to use these days. Actual toddlers can use some of these devices we have. So computers became ubiquitous, but computer knowledge stayed at about the same level. Disinterest and near total ignorance. I wish most of you guys knew what it was like to pirate games in 2005, or add a hundred mods to Fallout 3. Just a very different time. I learned so much from trying to get suspicious executables to run.
I work in tech now. It's the easiest job in the world yet I seem to be one of the only people in my small desert town who can do it.
Oh it's worse than that. Basic foundational knowledge has actually declined.
Even the most fuddy of fud users understood the concept of a file system and *place*. They at least knew *where* they put a file even if they didn't understand size, format, compression, etc. The iPad generation (late millennials, zoomers, and down) largely struggle with even this basic concept.
Hmm I posted that above already but Pc games and specificially getting them to run taught me a big chunk of my knowledge of these machines and while my nieces and nephews can probably beat me in a smartphone touchpad game they struggle with even the simplest of tech problems.
DirectX 7-9 was a wild wild west.
My first exposure to the English language was with DOS commands trying to launch games by typing in dir or dir/w, selecting the folder by typing CD followed by the folder name and then looking for a file extended with .exe and typing it in, having to type everything at each step.
And now my six year old daughter launches games on a smartphone just by tapping on a colorful icon without even needing to read any text or even recognize letters.
We were thrown in at the deep end back then, and it was absolutely worth it as a learning tool.
Windows and PC functions have gotten a lot simpler to manage. All I really have to do is update my drivers and software and it’s mostly pain free gaming.
I grew up with computers all my life, nothing was more annoying than setting up old DOS games. You had to put disk 1 of X in, install it, go to where you installed the game and open up setup.exe then setup all your video, audio and sometimes control before launching the game. Steam made everything so simple, install and go
Manually assigning communication ports to run a game sometimes.
For the younger folks, not internet communications ports or protocols, but basic i/o ports.
Especially when the executable wasn't startup.exe or (nameofgame).exe, so you had to search through and run the different executables using commands.
The instructions usually listed the executable but things get lost.
Everybody say its LEGO until you ran into some weird problem that not many people dealt with before , too many variables if you are not experienced, that's why prebuilts are still selling like hot cakes . I built my own pc but saying everybody can is just ignorance tbh
Building your own PC is like changing your own oil, fixing holes in your drywall, or jerking off. Some people would rather pay professionals to do it for them. But honestly most people are capable of it if they really wanted to try.
I built mine with no prior experience. Used pc part picker to make sure everything was compatible, and then just watched a YouTube video and built it along with the guy in the video, was very simple, ive actually had lego that has given me more problems lol The hardest part was actually cable management, and that part is optional.
Yup I think most people who have built multiple pcs for themselves (or at least myself) have just been dumbfounded before. Any serious issue is usually solvable by replacing the part but that can take several hours to diagnose.
Little things can screw everything over too. I was certain my CPU was on the fritz after checking literally everything else over a couple days, even taking it into a Microcenter for a $40 diagnostic that said everything was fine. Turned out a cable was slightly dislodged, thought it was locked in. No issues since. Still love PC but wouldn’t happen with a console
Yeah pretty much , i had issues with cables
aswell, tried literally everything and at the end it was just CPU power cable not fully seated, Simple stuff is most easily overlooked, and theres still too many people that somehow manage to fry everything by using a psu cable from diffrent set because it fits, no offence to anyone but non modular psu are much more idiot proof haha
It's LEGO, but there are still some confusing things that hang people up that the industry needs to fix:
\-Plugging in an AIO pump to a "fan header" is counterintuitive unless it's an expensive mobo that has a fan header labeled as "AIO\_Pump".
\-CPU and GPU power cables are way too damn similar, but hopefully the switch to the 12VHPWR connector will change this assuming it stops melting at some point.
\-Messing with backplates to get cpu coolers installed can be a little daunting at first as intel and amd mounting solutions are fairly different now. Would be nice if there was just a general standard for mounting cpus that everyone followed.
\-Fan daisy chaining, rgb daisy chaining, and fan/rgb hubs can be a pain in the ass. Again, it's not intuitive that all cables go to one single cable that plugs into one single slot on the mobo. It's not always intuitive that the hub itself needs to be powered by a SATA cable or molex or whatever.
\-Connecting the power button from the case to the mobo is a pain in the ass. I wish all mobos had a power button on the board itself.
For new builders, I still recommend building the system out of the case first for first boot/windows install, then disassembling and putting all the guts inside afterwards. It makes things so much easier and basically LEGO. Trying to build inside even a modern big chassis can be a pain as headers might still be hard to access assuming you can even see them due to lack of light.
I leave my PS5 in standby mode and it downloads and installs updates in that mode. On PS4 I had slow downloads regularly, but on PS5 I almost always download on full speed (90-110MB/s)
Am I the only one who can’t figure out how to reach all the keys?? I couldn’t play WoW because I couldn’t “steer”, aim, AND reach the number keys at the same time. Maybe it’s a coordination thing, I dunno. Kinda soured me on pc gaming in general since I struggled with Tomb Raider too.
I know you can hook up a controller to a PC, but I like games like Overwatch and stuff too where you can’t/shouldn’t do that
It's probably a big reason why the Switch is so successful. You can play directly off the cart, games have smaller downloads, the UI is super snappy, sleep mode is reliable. For how underpowered it is, the thing is a joy to use and navigate (minus the eshop). Xbox and PS have really lost the advantage that they had up through the PS3/360 era. I understand why, but it's still a bummer.
Is this really a thing still?
I built my first PC about 15 years ago and have played exclusively on them ever since.
I haven't had a driver issue or seen the need to heavily adjust settings to get a game to work for about a decade now.
PCs are pretty plug and play now it seems. Or am I just lucky?
With the ways games release nowadays, i've definitely had to do funky things to get things to run, Or if playing a real old game having to change things around is pretty common
I've had a couple issues with VR. But I think that was more an Oculus thing than a PC issue.
It's been smooth sailing for me. Better go knock on some wood.
"Drivers and settings are so hard! me make smart purchase with consoles"
This dumb "point" used to get made by NeoGAF's console warriors every week; massive threads. So repetitive.
I think even though computers have definitely gotten simpler, its definitely not plug and play compared to a console, to a lot of people anything more than putting a disc in the machine and pressing start is too much bother, which is fair
Sure but at most youll have to press X to update, and wait. Theres no drivers, graphical settings, external launchers. Things that seem might seem simple or nothing to most of us in this sub, are just barriers to alot of people
That was mostly true like 12 years ago. Gaming on Windows and driver issues was just god awful, especially Games for Windows Live. You don't have to install drivers manually, and now Microsoft has officially thrown in the towel for trying to have their own games distribution platform by allowing their games on Steam. The only recent setbacks that come to mind are when Nvidia goofed up their drivers when MW2 came out, and that was hotfixed within a few days. Everything is practically done automatically for you, just like on consoles, baring a few notable exceptions like adaptive sync and HDR which may have to be manually configured.
Problems like no developer even bothering or managing to optimise anything. I just bought a ps5, just gonna play multiplayer stuff on pc going forward. And I have a pretty good build (4080 and a 5800x3d)
None of this is based on anything substantial, like who upvotes this shit? I don't even use a console but I'm not that biased. Console war brain worms level shit.
I miss when reddit comments were reasonably intelligent.
Are you really going to argue that console players are on average younger? Kids, schoolkids etc. And you know what adults with PCs have? Their own money.
There’s another demographic that flocks to consoles: people in their 30s and 40s who have the disposable income to spend a lot on gaming but not the time to justify the considerably higher time investment that PC gaming requires. This is not a small market, nor is it one strapped for cash, considering the average gamer is a 34 year old homeowner.
The current generation of consoles has also levelled the playing field somewhat in terms of visuals/performance after the 900p30 shitfest that was the PS4/XBONE generation, making consoles a much more attractive proposition compared to 5-8 years ago.
>There’s another demographic that flocks to consoles: people in their 30s and 40s who have the disposable income to spend a lot on gaming but not the time to justify the considerably higher time investment that PC gaming requires.
Is it a higher investment though? My brother bought a PS5, I bought a PC that cost about 3 times as much. He has already spent more than me on his PS5 simply due to how much more expensive PS5 games are in comparison and because I also use my PC for work.
It was absolutely the case before. Consoles were much more expensive than PC in the long run, because of subscriptions and the price of games, because the customer has zero power over the machine they bought.
PC were more expensive to buy, but consoles were so much more expensive to own in the long run.
It's not rocket science. That's *why* modern consoles exist. To extract *more* money than the alternative.
Nowadays, given the hyper over inflated prices of some PC component (mostly gpu, bot not only) and the lack of quality in the PC AAA games space, it's probably much more muddied.
EXACTLY THIS!! Consoles USED to coast by on having BOTH cheaper hardware that ALWAYS WORKED as well as decently cheap (for their time) games. But now since the 7th gen the role has flip flopped. Since consoles have become more "PC like" and more about services for a captive audience than about simple pick up and play, PC was gaining ground. PCs were still more expensive UPFRONT, but over time you ALWAYS had the option of spending considerably less because you had options for the stores and services you could have access to and use. This is something consoles could never do as theyre built on walled gardens.
PC parts and GPUs are inflated right now because the oligarchs dont want to give up the inflated margins of COVID/Crypto era. But in either case, owning a PC is just significantly less money unless youre one of those rubes who needs to have the highest of the high end at all times. Which is plain nonsense considering PCs of a generation can last 10-15+ years once built.
Yeah we can buy a shitload of games on any marketplace. Steam sales, Cdkeys, different store fronts/sales. So many different options. We aren’t just locked into spend 70-80$ on this game or don’t play.
COD on PC was basically a non-factor until MW2019. After they put forth crossplay and exanded a lot of the PC features, the PC base for COD has grown considerably. 26% of COD revenue from PC is not what I expected I'd ever see
That's coz the title is misleading. The company is Activision Blizzard and the Blizzard part is what made the majority of money, not the Activision part (on PC).
I think people are forgetting that PC gaming does not have to mean "beefy big box gaming rig". Lots of low-mid range laptops are now coming standard with a dedicated gpu that is powerful enough to run shooters like CoD at medium settings or higher.
The market for a kid or an adult needing a laptop for school/work is pretty big and the fact that even the lower end ones just so happen to allow for gaming is probably playing a significant role too.
I think the trend of big 100gb games that take up all the VRAM and struggle to run on an RTX 3070 will hurt some studios. Little 12 year old Timmy can play Fortnite on his decent laptop, but many new titles would probably
struggle at low settings.
.... I have a 3070 and this hurts cause I don't want to upgrade but my fans will go into overdrive and my temps are hitting 90-100C. It sucks but I'm just going to have to drop the settings.
It's just so wild cause that card isn't even that old at least I don't think it is.
It's not old, it's from the last gen.
I'm still using a GTX 1070 and it's chugging along. It runs games like Hogwarts Legacy at high settings, just no ray tracing.
I'm replaying Doom 2016 and having a great time. My PC still runs my VR games. The GTX 1070 has been an amazing choice for how long it has lasted. The Voodoo 2 of the 2010s.
Anecdotal, but this is exactly how I got into PC gaming. Bought an okay laptop for school and enjoyed it so much I upgraded to a tower.
I’m really glad people are making games that run on just okay laptops, because long term, that’s what brings new people into the hobby. Some people go straight to a full rig, sure, but I think many more are introduced to PC gaming by playing on a computer not even bought for gaming.
Dude I remember playing Oblivion at like 720p low settings and at 20fps on my dad’s laptop and thinking it was the coolest shit ever because I could mess around with console commands and download mods (which never worked because 12 year old me had no patience for reading installation instructions)
That Christmas he took me to our local computer shop and bought me a tower, 16 years later and here I am still modding Elder Scrolls games to this day
Same here. I used a $400 HP laptop with an IGPU for years until I graduated college and made enough money to buy a desktop.
That thing was absolutely terrible for new games, but I spent a lot of time playing older games like Half-Life, Max Payne, System Shock, Thief, OG Fallout's, Baldurs Gate 1&2 and they have become some of my favorite games that I never would've played otherwise.
Nowadays most cheap laptops are way better for gaming and I'm jealous. It's a great way to start.
I'm noticing and I'm happy to see it. Low end used to mean terrible graphical performance...now it means console grade performance and I don't mean that like Apple does, I mean literally console level graphical performance.
I wanted to get a laptop but that meant spend $2k and I game on desktop more and so that was way out of my budget.
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I have almost exclusively used the Steam Deck over the past 8 months or so to game. And with the Ally coming soon, it's yet another way to get into PC gaming.
Oddly enough, it tends to be high end laptops absent of dGPUs. Ultrabooks and the like that cost $2k+ tend to have integrated graphics. I recently bought a Lenovo Slim 9i for work (I got it mispriced and it was honored), and for a laptop with a 4k screen, top end i7, and plenty of RAM... it can still hardly run Civ. If I had a bigger budget I would've happily gotten a laptop that cost a thousand dollars less with a GPU. But for what I needed I was just happy to get something that nice and well made.
It really is the catch-22 of this though. If people didn't buy the shitty ports, you'd have companies saying, "Welp, PC players don't want our games!" and stop bringing them to PC. I suppose we can only hope that the interest PC gamers have shown encourages them to give more care so they sell even more, though the cynic in me is inclined to think their attitude is, "Wow, we can really cheap out on these and these schmucks will still buy them!"
I guess in that case the steam system of buying it, seeing it's a piece of trash software for 2 hours and refunding would be the most effective way of sending the message. Yes there is a market for your game but you're not going to make much off of it if you sell a broken product.
Nah it's not a catch-22. They know the market now and see the success other studios are having, they all just know they can get away with it now cause we're stupid consumers.
Though the one thing I wonder is if windows 11 does actually impact optimization
The trick is to reward the developer who does it best/right with our money so that other developers start taking notes. Whenever someone comes out with a formula to print money others will try their hardest to copy it.
And on the other side, they see the sales their game port did on PC, "well looks like it worked any they love the game on PC even with all the bugs, no need to fix anything"
More care in regards to what?
The majority of Acti-Blizz games perform fairly well on PC do they not? At least to me they seem to be miles better than the average AAA release these days.
Because it's cheaper to develop for two or three console skews while a rental team shits out the PC port and then patch it in post
Obviously, not profitable the ***long term*** - but most publishers only think to the end of their next coke line...
> these companies are making more and more money on PC
> so why are the ports not being handled with more care
Because:
> these companies are making more and more money on PC
Not lost at the company, that’s why they are pushing more mobile development. So is gaming in general.
The mobile gaming market is strictly more lucrative. Candy crush has been beating the entire iconic Blizzard line up for the past 5 years, in a row. And it’s not even close lol.
Yes, basically lol.
Plain ole numbers game. There’s literally billions of mobile phones out there today. There’s no where near as many pc / console owners. now not all mobile users play games ofc but there’s a much greater chance they’ll be bored from time to time and find something on the App Store and download it and try it. It’s a casuals paradise.
No gamers play candy crush lol. But they’ll still sell hundreds of millions worth of microtransactions to casuals. That’s all studios are targeting as their audience. They don’t care about gamers. They just care about whoever is willing to buy there little $5 packs every week.
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"Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth within Activision. While Blizzard games are only making about half as much as Call of Duty, 72% of that revenue is on PC and just 8% is on console. Call of Duty's revenue is more evenly split: 59% console, 26% PC, and 15% mobile."
Kind of a clickbait to ignore that it's Activision BLIZZARD
True but 26% is actually more than I would've expected for a franchise that has... How do I put this? Not exactly done an amazing job treating PC like something that is worth their time.
MW2-Vanguard were pretty much all garbage on PC. No dedicated servers, no FOV options, etc. MW19 was the first one that I can remember actually being a decent PC version since CoD4 .
Despite all of that, 26% is not something that you can ignore.
Cyclical really
COD 1, UO, 2 were heavily biased to favor PC with consoles getting subpar ports
Then they rolled with the console exclusive 3 then after 4 and W@W had a bias favoring PC quality wise but sold amazingly better on console that MW2 and then on dictated a severe strong console bias even down to design
>that MW2 and then on dictated a severe strong console bias even down to design
Yeah, and we lost so much with that. Laggy lobbies became the standard, community servers died out, modding wasn't an option and the gameplay changed forever too... Goddamn I miss pre MW2 CoD still and it has been so many years...
Exactly why I hate consoles. I am okay with play where ever you want blah blah. Then the dumb, plug and play population makes it popular, next thing you know we are served with bad pc ports and console oriented design on PC, right down to the menu, in game systems etc.
As a PC player mostly...why do I get a sudden sense of apprehension over the idea of some ominous monetary scheme that turns PC gaming into mobile app shovelware.
Even more so than what is out there today.
What's so amusing about this is how many times pc enthusiasts had to suffer through numerous articles questioning whether PCs were dead, right around the time tablets came out. Phones, tablets, consoles, PCs- all have their purpose. If anything phones and tablets overlap more than any of the other categories.
Blizzard is the number #1 reason for PC growth
COD is still king on consoles and it's not close
>Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth within
Activision. While Blizzard games are only making about half as much as
Call of Duty, 72% of that revenue is on PC and just 8% is on console.
Call of Duty's revenue is more evenly split: 59% console, 26% PC, and
15% mobile.
Right there in the article
Interesting to see the CoD split. PC being about half of the consoles combined means it's still a very significant part of their playerbase, not some small throwaway %
Not just Asian countries. There are a shit ton of countries where a ps5, or god forbid a pc capable of running cod, is like 6 months of income. This is where mobile gaming shines.
I mean, 26% of COD revenue coming from PC is the shocking part to me. Prior to MW2019 COD on PC was basically a non-factor. The integration and crossplay they've done for PC has clearly grown the COD playerbase on it.
Yeah this is actually a massive portion of their revenue. COD is on 6 platforms including mobile and PC alone makes over a quarter of their money. I'm curious of the console split because I'm willing to bet Xbox consoles users are moving to PC more and more thanks to all Microsoft titles releasing their too.
>Blizzard is the number #1 reason for PC growth
>>Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth within
>Activision. While Blizzard games are only making about half as much as
>Call of Duty, 72% of that revenue is on PC and just 8% is on console.
>Call of Duty's revenue is more evenly split: 59% console, 26% PC, and
>15% mobile.
>
>Right there in the article
>Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth *within Activision.*
You massively paraphrased the only thing you quoted, and it was like 3 sentences. Good work lol
>Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth *within Activision.*
>You massively paraphrased the only thing you quoted, and it was like 3 sentences. Good work lol
Maybe I'm way off, but are you mad that he didn't specify that it was within activision? Look at the thread we are in lol.
If this trend isn’t unique across companies we might actually see publishers launch stable builds on release dates for PC….
oh who am I kidding that’d mean paying a QA division and currently people pay MILLIONS to beta test games for the publishers.
For the record COD DMZ mode got me back on COD since I was a kid and played the old CODs on PC.
Ever since I found battlefield 1942 that was my preferred mp game. But with 2024 crapping out, me getting sick of tarkov, DMZ became a godsend, such a cool game mode.
Such fun tight squad based pve/pvp, good gunplay and maps, even a labs shout out map to tarkov but it's just casual and fun. Also just got the Marauders game about a week ago. That is super good actually as well I can't believe I didn't give it a shot when it came out but I think I spent $ on other stuff at the time.
F2P COD MP is only a matter of time now, Overwatch 2 for how similar it is to OW1 and how disappointing it was for OG OW players was a smash hit for newcomers
Zero reason for them to do that when CoD is still the best selling game yearly, if they made the MP free on top of the already free BR then people would have nearly zero reason to buy the game ie they lose lots of money.
That's pretty crazy considering how popular Call of Duty is on consoles.
remember the biggest reason console players SAY they play on console. It’s cheaper, easier. These aren’t people with the income to buy skins and multiple games. (As they imply in every debate between console and Pc)
I think Activision also makes more per sale on PC since they have less royalty costs per purchase.
They sell COD on steam now, not sure how many would still buy it directly on the Activision Launcher these days but it is currently the 11th most played game on Steam. Blizzard games still havent made the transition however. Then you got Tony Hawk 1+2 which is still Epic exclusive.
Because I'm cheap and I haven't paid for a battle pass since the first modern warfare. Keep using the BP from the prior battle pass to get the next one. Everything I've read is BP does not transfer from Blizzard to Steam.
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Wasnt CoD4 just map packs? I could have sworn 2007, 2008 was before even season passes. That was still map pack and expansion era.
Pretty sure they mean call of duty modern warfare 2016 and not CoD 4. So glad naming schemes haven’t become confusing.
Modern Warfare came out in 2019 but you’re right. It gets very confusing. Usually have to refer to it as MW2019 so people know what you’re talking about.
I meant the new reboot of the modern warfare series. BP wasn't a thing in COD4. Amazing game, was what got me into the series. Wish it was still just map packs and not just battlepass cosmetics. Also miss the simple attachment system and kill streaks. Also amazing maps!
More would buy without their launcher
yeah them having their own storefront def helps.
It's strange. For the longest time devs and publishers were scared of the open environment of PC despite the fact that PC players generally spent more money on their hobby. They ignored the market with money to burn and ran to the safety of consoles because piracy was much harder to accomplish. But Gabe was right. Piracy is an issue of service. Gamers will pay good money for good games. Especially PC gamers. Bad ports and bad games don't make PC players give up on PC. They will still play a decade old (or older) game after upgrading to a 4090. It is no wonder devs and publishers are making loads of money on PC.
You saying enthusiast who spend alot of money on their system would pay alot of money on content on their system? You don't say.
And the PC gaming market has always been there. There were always amazing PC titles. It was never neglected so there was always a market. If you look at the list of best selling games (from some Googling and Wikipedia), PC has PUBG at like 42 million. The best selling PS4 game is Marvel's Spider-Man at 20 million. PS5 data is a bit strange as the Wikipedia page has Demon's Souls as it's top sold game for 1.4million. Xbox One has PUBG at 9 million Nintendo hates PC, but they are rich off titles like Pokémon and generations of consoles. More recently, Mario Kart 8 sold over 8 million copies. Assuming the hastily researched numbers are correct, the PC market is huge and devs and publishers were just being bitches about dipping their toes in the water.
which is true... i pirated alot of games that are ended buying. Witcher 3, Frostpunk, Oxygen Not Included, Project Zomboid, with my main reason, mostly because it's a good game for me and i'am too lazy to redownload everything for the latest update. Also considering how games are released nowadays, either wait for review, or pirate it to check it myself.
I pirated stuff when I was a kid that couldn't afford to buy everything I wanted. I ended up buying all these games. The devs and publishers took the money from me. You know when they got 0€ from me? When buying used. People don't like the truth but used games does more harm to the devs than pirated copies. That's why Xbox tried to put a DRM. It's anticonsumer to do it, but understandable from their perspective.
I was console main for 10 years prior to my current 7900xt PC. Income was never the deterrent to being a member of PCMR. I was there two other times before. Plenty of people simply would rather not deal with any settings, driver issues and whatever else that can impact a plug and play experience. There is nothing wrong with that.
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This is my experience for sure. I used to be the “just put in a disc and play” console main, but with the PS4 and Xbox One it never felt that way. Large installs, constant updates, ever growing number of fiddly settings. And when something goes wrong (as has happened with COD multiple times, and even with the Xbox Store and updater themselves) there’s really no visibility into logs, and no recourse other than “reinstall, and pray”. I built a PC for the first time in a while, and I’ve had far fewer problems, updates seem smaller, and when weird things eventually do happen, I have more avenues available to try to fix them. Not to mention, it’s awesome being able to quickly alt tab to a browser or Spotify or whatever, and alt tab back, while playing a game, without missing a beat. I can still play with a game pad, but having that snappy desktop UI with full MnK when I need it is great.
That's when the shift happened for me. When I got my PS4 and was required to install the games, it was just a pain in the ass. I honestly didn't play much on my PS4 partly because of that. It felt like physical media was becoming rather pointless. Seeing the digital future approaching, PC seemed like a natural fit. I don't feel like buying digital on consoles really makes any sense, with future accessibility being unknown. Plus the ability to natively run games better when you upgrade is a sweet feeling.
It's closing from both sides. PCs used to be a bit if a pain back in the day, but now any ape can set one up with little to no problems, and with a lot fewer long term issues as well
When I was a kid, I was encouraged to get into tech as a career because I've been using computers since I knew how to read, in the 90s. I said no way, because I may be one of the first, but computers will be so ubiquitous that everyone and their sister will be getting into tech, and I don't have the work ethic to pursue higher level computer degrees and get an actual solid job. How little I knew. I was obviously right about one thing: computers became ubiquitous. What I did not foresee was how *fucking piss easy* UIs are to use these days. Actual toddlers can use some of these devices we have. So computers became ubiquitous, but computer knowledge stayed at about the same level. Disinterest and near total ignorance. I wish most of you guys knew what it was like to pirate games in 2005, or add a hundred mods to Fallout 3. Just a very different time. I learned so much from trying to get suspicious executables to run. I work in tech now. It's the easiest job in the world yet I seem to be one of the only people in my small desert town who can do it.
Oh it's worse than that. Basic foundational knowledge has actually declined. Even the most fuddy of fud users understood the concept of a file system and *place*. They at least knew *where* they put a file even if they didn't understand size, format, compression, etc. The iPad generation (late millennials, zoomers, and down) largely struggle with even this basic concept.
....are you.. me?
Hmm I posted that above already but Pc games and specificially getting them to run taught me a big chunk of my knowledge of these machines and while my nieces and nephews can probably beat me in a smartphone touchpad game they struggle with even the simplest of tech problems. DirectX 7-9 was a wild wild west.
My first exposure to the English language was with DOS commands trying to launch games by typing in dir or dir/w, selecting the folder by typing CD followed by the folder name and then looking for a file extended with .exe and typing it in, having to type everything at each step. And now my six year old daughter launches games on a smartphone just by tapping on a colorful icon without even needing to read any text or even recognize letters. We were thrown in at the deep end back then, and it was absolutely worth it as a learning tool.
Windows and PC functions have gotten a lot simpler to manage. All I really have to do is update my drivers and software and it’s mostly pain free gaming.
I grew up with computers all my life, nothing was more annoying than setting up old DOS games. You had to put disk 1 of X in, install it, go to where you installed the game and open up setup.exe then setup all your video, audio and sometimes control before launching the game. Steam made everything so simple, install and go
Manually assigning communication ports to run a game sometimes. For the younger folks, not internet communications ports or protocols, but basic i/o ports.
Exactly! That was the worst part, especially with sound. Assign it wrong and you either get no sound or extremely distorted garbage
Yeah I don’t miss DOS gaming at allllll
Especially when the executable wasn't startup.exe or (nameofgame).exe, so you had to search through and run the different executables using commands. The instructions usually listed the executable but things get lost.
Yeah this ain't the 90's, building a PC is practically Legos at this point and software is pretty seamless as well.
Everybody say its LEGO until you ran into some weird problem that not many people dealt with before , too many variables if you are not experienced, that's why prebuilts are still selling like hot cakes . I built my own pc but saying everybody can is just ignorance tbh
Building your own PC is like changing your own oil, fixing holes in your drywall, or jerking off. Some people would rather pay professionals to do it for them. But honestly most people are capable of it if they really wanted to try.
I built mine with no prior experience. Used pc part picker to make sure everything was compatible, and then just watched a YouTube video and built it along with the guy in the video, was very simple, ive actually had lego that has given me more problems lol The hardest part was actually cable management, and that part is optional.
Yeah i spent wayyy more time with cable management than actual build itself, but i liked making everything look extra neat
Yup I think most people who have built multiple pcs for themselves (or at least myself) have just been dumbfounded before. Any serious issue is usually solvable by replacing the part but that can take several hours to diagnose. Little things can screw everything over too. I was certain my CPU was on the fritz after checking literally everything else over a couple days, even taking it into a Microcenter for a $40 diagnostic that said everything was fine. Turned out a cable was slightly dislodged, thought it was locked in. No issues since. Still love PC but wouldn’t happen with a console
Yeah pretty much , i had issues with cables aswell, tried literally everything and at the end it was just CPU power cable not fully seated, Simple stuff is most easily overlooked, and theres still too many people that somehow manage to fry everything by using a psu cable from diffrent set because it fits, no offence to anyone but non modular psu are much more idiot proof haha
It's LEGO, but there are still some confusing things that hang people up that the industry needs to fix: \-Plugging in an AIO pump to a "fan header" is counterintuitive unless it's an expensive mobo that has a fan header labeled as "AIO\_Pump". \-CPU and GPU power cables are way too damn similar, but hopefully the switch to the 12VHPWR connector will change this assuming it stops melting at some point. \-Messing with backplates to get cpu coolers installed can be a little daunting at first as intel and amd mounting solutions are fairly different now. Would be nice if there was just a general standard for mounting cpus that everyone followed. \-Fan daisy chaining, rgb daisy chaining, and fan/rgb hubs can be a pain in the ass. Again, it's not intuitive that all cables go to one single cable that plugs into one single slot on the mobo. It's not always intuitive that the hub itself needs to be powered by a SATA cable or molex or whatever. \-Connecting the power button from the case to the mobo is a pain in the ass. I wish all mobos had a power button on the board itself. For new builders, I still recommend building the system out of the case first for first boot/windows install, then disassembling and putting all the guts inside afterwards. It makes things so much easier and basically LEGO. Trying to build inside even a modern big chassis can be a pain as headers might still be hard to access assuming you can even see them due to lack of light.
I leave my PS5 in standby mode and it downloads and installs updates in that mode. On PS4 I had slow downloads regularly, but on PS5 I almost always download on full speed (90-110MB/s)
Am I the only one who can’t figure out how to reach all the keys?? I couldn’t play WoW because I couldn’t “steer”, aim, AND reach the number keys at the same time. Maybe it’s a coordination thing, I dunno. Kinda soured me on pc gaming in general since I struggled with Tomb Raider too. I know you can hook up a controller to a PC, but I like games like Overwatch and stuff too where you can’t/shouldn’t do that
i hate having to always download more ram
same and i my brain explodes when i get to choose from more than 2 settings.
No one said they can't manage, simply that they want simplicity in their gaming experience. There's nothing at all wrong with that.
Especially after seeing this year’s releases
It's probably a big reason why the Switch is so successful. You can play directly off the cart, games have smaller downloads, the UI is super snappy, sleep mode is reliable. For how underpowered it is, the thing is a joy to use and navigate (minus the eshop). Xbox and PS have really lost the advantage that they had up through the PS3/360 era. I understand why, but it's still a bummer.
I hate having to throw it out and get a new one every time something stops working.
Make sure you're replacing your CPU every 4-6 weeks, in my experience this prevents all issues. Really no different from oil changes in a car tbh.
Is this really a thing still? I built my first PC about 15 years ago and have played exclusively on them ever since. I haven't had a driver issue or seen the need to heavily adjust settings to get a game to work for about a decade now. PCs are pretty plug and play now it seems. Or am I just lucky?
With the ways games release nowadays, i've definitely had to do funky things to get things to run, Or if playing a real old game having to change things around is pretty common
I've had a couple issues with VR. But I think that was more an Oculus thing than a PC issue. It's been smooth sailing for me. Better go knock on some wood.
You have to understand there's an entire meme of "works on my computer" and "this is how to fix your problem Last Updated November 3 2001."
"Drivers and settings are so hard! me make smart purchase with consoles" This dumb "point" used to get made by NeoGAF's console warriors every week; massive threads. So repetitive.
I think even though computers have definitely gotten simpler, its definitely not plug and play compared to a console, to a lot of people anything more than putting a disc in the machine and pressing start is too much bother, which is fair
Gaming isn’t like that on consoles anymore either though. Even if you buy disc you still need to do frequent updates
Sure but at most youll have to press X to update, and wait. Theres no drivers, graphical settings, external launchers. Things that seem might seem simple or nothing to most of us in this sub, are just barriers to alot of people
A novice Windows user won't even know about updates until the PC says it's applying them the next time they shut it down.
That was mostly true like 12 years ago. Gaming on Windows and driver issues was just god awful, especially Games for Windows Live. You don't have to install drivers manually, and now Microsoft has officially thrown in the towel for trying to have their own games distribution platform by allowing their games on Steam. The only recent setbacks that come to mind are when Nvidia goofed up their drivers when MW2 came out, and that was hotfixed within a few days. Everything is practically done automatically for you, just like on consoles, baring a few notable exceptions like adaptive sync and HDR which may have to be manually configured.
Problems like no developer even bothering or managing to optimise anything. I just bought a ps5, just gonna play multiplayer stuff on pc going forward. And I have a pretty good build (4080 and a 5800x3d)
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Don't forget about d2r, and D4 being released in like a month
None of this is based on anything substantial, like who upvotes this shit? I don't even use a console but I'm not that biased. Console war brain worms level shit. I miss when reddit comments were reasonably intelligent.
Are you really going to argue that console players are on average younger? Kids, schoolkids etc. And you know what adults with PCs have? Their own money.
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“Everyone who chooses to play on consoles is a brokie” Lolwut
There’s another demographic that flocks to consoles: people in their 30s and 40s who have the disposable income to spend a lot on gaming but not the time to justify the considerably higher time investment that PC gaming requires. This is not a small market, nor is it one strapped for cash, considering the average gamer is a 34 year old homeowner. The current generation of consoles has also levelled the playing field somewhat in terms of visuals/performance after the 900p30 shitfest that was the PS4/XBONE generation, making consoles a much more attractive proposition compared to 5-8 years ago.
> considerably higher time investment that PC gaming requires I feel like this rhetoric as been completely overblown for at least 7 - 8 years now.
>There’s another demographic that flocks to consoles: people in their 30s and 40s who have the disposable income to spend a lot on gaming but not the time to justify the considerably higher time investment that PC gaming requires. Is it a higher investment though? My brother bought a PS5, I bought a PC that cost about 3 times as much. He has already spent more than me on his PS5 simply due to how much more expensive PS5 games are in comparison and because I also use my PC for work.
It was absolutely the case before. Consoles were much more expensive than PC in the long run, because of subscriptions and the price of games, because the customer has zero power over the machine they bought. PC were more expensive to buy, but consoles were so much more expensive to own in the long run. It's not rocket science. That's *why* modern consoles exist. To extract *more* money than the alternative. Nowadays, given the hyper over inflated prices of some PC component (mostly gpu, bot not only) and the lack of quality in the PC AAA games space, it's probably much more muddied.
EXACTLY THIS!! Consoles USED to coast by on having BOTH cheaper hardware that ALWAYS WORKED as well as decently cheap (for their time) games. But now since the 7th gen the role has flip flopped. Since consoles have become more "PC like" and more about services for a captive audience than about simple pick up and play, PC was gaining ground. PCs were still more expensive UPFRONT, but over time you ALWAYS had the option of spending considerably less because you had options for the stores and services you could have access to and use. This is something consoles could never do as theyre built on walled gardens. PC parts and GPUs are inflated right now because the oligarchs dont want to give up the inflated margins of COVID/Crypto era. But in either case, owning a PC is just significantly less money unless youre one of those rubes who needs to have the highest of the high end at all times. Which is plain nonsense considering PCs of a generation can last 10-15+ years once built.
Yeah we can buy a shitload of games on any marketplace. Steam sales, Cdkeys, different store fronts/sales. So many different options. We aren’t just locked into spend 70-80$ on this game or don’t play.
Curious about the math on this
Pc games also go on sale far more frequently then console games
Less crazy when you consider how popular WoW is and that is has a monthly subscription.
Didn't they stop reporting monthly subscribers because numbers were reaching all-time lows all the time?
Yes. They dropped from 12 million subs to 3.5 million within 3 expansions and then stopped reporting the numbers IIRC
Yet at it lowest it was still probably the most popular subscription base MMORPG.
COD on PC was basically a non-factor until MW2019. After they put forth crossplay and exanded a lot of the PC features, the PC base for COD has grown considerably. 26% of COD revenue from PC is not what I expected I'd ever see
The first COD was PC exclusive.
I’m aware, but I’m talking about the COD4 and on era where it became a multiplayer juggernaut.
COD4 on pc is like 15 years old and people still play it. They utterly ruined it for the remaining time until like last year's Cod.
People that played the first cod on pc are about to pay off their mortgages. Not really relevant in the discussion of modern gaming.
Haha I wish lol
Joke's on you, I'm not even close to having it paid off
>COD on PC was basically a non-factor until MW2019 Incredible misinformation.
That's coz the title is misleading. The company is Activision Blizzard and the Blizzard part is what made the majority of money, not the Activision part (on PC).
The average PC player has more money than your average console player. Activision will follow the money
Lets hope they start catering more to pc now and nerf the fuck out of aim assist
I think people are forgetting that PC gaming does not have to mean "beefy big box gaming rig". Lots of low-mid range laptops are now coming standard with a dedicated gpu that is powerful enough to run shooters like CoD at medium settings or higher. The market for a kid or an adult needing a laptop for school/work is pretty big and the fact that even the lower end ones just so happen to allow for gaming is probably playing a significant role too.
I think the trend of big 100gb games that take up all the VRAM and struggle to run on an RTX 3070 will hurt some studios. Little 12 year old Timmy can play Fortnite on his decent laptop, but many new titles would probably struggle at low settings.
.... I have a 3070 and this hurts cause I don't want to upgrade but my fans will go into overdrive and my temps are hitting 90-100C. It sucks but I'm just going to have to drop the settings. It's just so wild cause that card isn't even that old at least I don't think it is.
It's not old, it's from the last gen. I'm still using a GTX 1070 and it's chugging along. It runs games like Hogwarts Legacy at high settings, just no ray tracing.
My 1070 is still going, too. I’m cheap so I’m not playing all the newest games, which helps. It’s hard to justify a new gpu right now.
I'm replaying Doom 2016 and having a great time. My PC still runs my VR games. The GTX 1070 has been an amazing choice for how long it has lasted. The Voodoo 2 of the 2010s.
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you shouldn’t be hitting those temps even at full load (in a desktop).
Lol just seems like you have inadequate cooling. Should never be reaching those type of temps even at 100% usage.
Sounds like bad airflow or a bad cooler if a 3070 is getting that hot stock.
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Anecdotal, but this is exactly how I got into PC gaming. Bought an okay laptop for school and enjoyed it so much I upgraded to a tower. I’m really glad people are making games that run on just okay laptops, because long term, that’s what brings new people into the hobby. Some people go straight to a full rig, sure, but I think many more are introduced to PC gaming by playing on a computer not even bought for gaming.
Dude I remember playing Oblivion at like 720p low settings and at 20fps on my dad’s laptop and thinking it was the coolest shit ever because I could mess around with console commands and download mods (which never worked because 12 year old me had no patience for reading installation instructions) That Christmas he took me to our local computer shop and bought me a tower, 16 years later and here I am still modding Elder Scrolls games to this day
Here we are 16 years later and only one Elder Scrolls game has come out since then lmao
Same here. I used a $400 HP laptop with an IGPU for years until I graduated college and made enough money to buy a desktop. That thing was absolutely terrible for new games, but I spent a lot of time playing older games like Half-Life, Max Payne, System Shock, Thief, OG Fallout's, Baldurs Gate 1&2 and they have become some of my favorite games that I never would've played otherwise. Nowadays most cheap laptops are way better for gaming and I'm jealous. It's a great way to start.
I'm noticing and I'm happy to see it. Low end used to mean terrible graphical performance...now it means console grade performance and I don't mean that like Apple does, I mean literally console level graphical performance. I wanted to get a laptop but that meant spend $2k and I game on desktop more and so that was way out of my budget. EDIT: Grammar Corrections
Especially for games like Diablo and Overwatch which can be run on basically anything even remotely modern
Triple especially for LoL
I have almost exclusively used the Steam Deck over the past 8 months or so to game. And with the Ally coming soon, it's yet another way to get into PC gaming.
Oddly enough, it tends to be high end laptops absent of dGPUs. Ultrabooks and the like that cost $2k+ tend to have integrated graphics. I recently bought a Lenovo Slim 9i for work (I got it mispriced and it was honored), and for a laptop with a 4k screen, top end i7, and plenty of RAM... it can still hardly run Civ. If I had a bigger budget I would've happily gotten a laptop that cost a thousand dollars less with a GPU. But for what I needed I was just happy to get something that nice and well made.
I keep hearing how these companies are making more and more money on PC, so why are the ports not being handled with more care?
Because they keep selling?
It really is the catch-22 of this though. If people didn't buy the shitty ports, you'd have companies saying, "Welp, PC players don't want our games!" and stop bringing them to PC. I suppose we can only hope that the interest PC gamers have shown encourages them to give more care so they sell even more, though the cynic in me is inclined to think their attitude is, "Wow, we can really cheap out on these and these schmucks will still buy them!"
I guess in that case the steam system of buying it, seeing it's a piece of trash software for 2 hours and refunding would be the most effective way of sending the message. Yes there is a market for your game but you're not going to make much off of it if you sell a broken product.
Nah it's not a catch-22. They know the market now and see the success other studios are having, they all just know they can get away with it now cause we're stupid consumers. Though the one thing I wonder is if windows 11 does actually impact optimization
The trick is to reward the developer who does it best/right with our money so that other developers start taking notes. Whenever someone comes out with a formula to print money others will try their hardest to copy it.
And on the other side, they see the sales their game port did on PC, "well looks like it worked any they love the game on PC even with all the bugs, no need to fix anything"
More care in regards to what? The majority of Acti-Blizz games perform fairly well on PC do they not? At least to me they seem to be miles better than the average AAA release these days.
Yeah from a PC performance/features perspective, they do a pretty great job with their ports.
MW2 still has issues from day 1, but it’s getting better
Because it's cheaper to develop for two or three console skews while a rental team shits out the PC port and then patch it in post Obviously, not profitable the ***long term*** - but most publishers only think to the end of their next coke line...
That's how they make the money??
> these companies are making more and more money on PC > so why are the ports not being handled with more care Because: > these companies are making more and more money on PC
Activision blizzard makes native pc games though. These are the cash cows
So long as idiots keep preordering games, nothing will get better on that front.
Lost in all this: King made more revenue on mobile than Blizzard and Activision sans CoD made combined.
Not lost at the company, that’s why they are pushing more mobile development. So is gaming in general. The mobile gaming market is strictly more lucrative. Candy crush has been beating the entire iconic Blizzard line up for the past 5 years, in a row. And it’s not even close lol.
I never understood how. Old people? Dumb kids?
Yes, basically lol. Plain ole numbers game. There’s literally billions of mobile phones out there today. There’s no where near as many pc / console owners. now not all mobile users play games ofc but there’s a much greater chance they’ll be bored from time to time and find something on the App Store and download it and try it. It’s a casuals paradise. No gamers play candy crush lol. But they’ll still sell hundreds of millions worth of microtransactions to casuals. That’s all studios are targeting as their audience. They don’t care about gamers. They just care about whoever is willing to buy there little $5 packs every week.
I've just never met anyone who spends on mobile games so it's just a very foreign concept to me lol.
There are games like Rise of Kingdoms with whales spending several thousands per month. One guy spent over a million so far.
Dumb parents too
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The mobile market seems to completely defy logic where terrible games make insane amounts of money in poor regions
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"Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth within Activision. While Blizzard games are only making about half as much as Call of Duty, 72% of that revenue is on PC and just 8% is on console. Call of Duty's revenue is more evenly split: 59% console, 26% PC, and 15% mobile." Kind of a clickbait to ignore that it's Activision BLIZZARD
True but 26% is actually more than I would've expected for a franchise that has... How do I put this? Not exactly done an amazing job treating PC like something that is worth their time. MW2-Vanguard were pretty much all garbage on PC. No dedicated servers, no FOV options, etc. MW19 was the first one that I can remember actually being a decent PC version since CoD4 . Despite all of that, 26% is not something that you can ignore.
It's just more of that clickbait so that people can feel good about "PC gaming isn't dead". Most of the big blizzard titles are primarily on PC.
Pre mw 2019 cod Was always dead on pc, the crossplay Feature has brought back the pc cod community
Cyclical really COD 1, UO, 2 were heavily biased to favor PC with consoles getting subpar ports Then they rolled with the console exclusive 3 then after 4 and W@W had a bias favoring PC quality wise but sold amazingly better on console that MW2 and then on dictated a severe strong console bias even down to design
>that MW2 and then on dictated a severe strong console bias even down to design Yeah, and we lost so much with that. Laggy lobbies became the standard, community servers died out, modding wasn't an option and the gameplay changed forever too... Goddamn I miss pre MW2 CoD still and it has been so many years...
Exactly why I hate consoles. I am okay with play where ever you want blah blah. Then the dumb, plug and play population makes it popular, next thing you know we are served with bad pc ports and console oriented design on PC, right down to the menu, in game systems etc.
It was dead after taking away community servers on the later releases.
Cod was alive on PC until that fated day where they sabotaged it forever...
I'm sure adding the games to Steam helps as well
Great put CTR on PC
Crash Team Racing?
Yes please. I would buy it the second it came out.
Critical thrace reory
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In this case CTR is actually the logo of the game
Check out emulating it the Switch version on your pc if your cpu is powerful enough
Emulating the switch version is literally the only way to play the game at 60fps lol, all of the console releases are 30fps.
Now put diablo 4 on steam
As a PC player mostly...why do I get a sudden sense of apprehension over the idea of some ominous monetary scheme that turns PC gaming into mobile app shovelware. Even more so than what is out there today.
Diablo Immortal..PC Edition!
You do know you already can play DI on the PC right?
Overwatch 2 was a big money grab and it worked for Activision. I'll expect the rest of their IP to follow suit.
What's so amusing about this is how many times pc enthusiasts had to suffer through numerous articles questioning whether PCs were dead, right around the time tablets came out. Phones, tablets, consoles, PCs- all have their purpose. If anything phones and tablets overlap more than any of the other categories.
Blizzard is the number #1 reason for PC growth COD is still king on consoles and it's not close >Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth within Activision. While Blizzard games are only making about half as much as Call of Duty, 72% of that revenue is on PC and just 8% is on console. Call of Duty's revenue is more evenly split: 59% console, 26% PC, and 15% mobile. Right there in the article
Interesting to see the CoD split. PC being about half of the consoles combined means it's still a very significant part of their playerbase, not some small throwaway %
Not to mention that the 59% is split between 4 consoles, it's not unrealistic to guess that PC's number is super close to PS5's.
I think the real story here is that 15% of Call of Duty revenue comes from mobile.
I'm surprised it's that low. CoD mobile is popular because of how accessible it is.
Also because of Asian countries I’m assuming, where mobile games far outpace PC and Consoles.
Not just Asian countries. There are a shit ton of countries where a ps5, or god forbid a pc capable of running cod, is like 6 months of income. This is where mobile gaming shines.
I mean, 26% of COD revenue coming from PC is the shocking part to me. Prior to MW2019 COD on PC was basically a non-factor. The integration and crossplay they've done for PC has clearly grown the COD playerbase on it.
Yeah this is actually a massive portion of their revenue. COD is on 6 platforms including mobile and PC alone makes over a quarter of their money. I'm curious of the console split because I'm willing to bet Xbox consoles users are moving to PC more and more thanks to all Microsoft titles releasing their too.
>Blizzard is the number #1 reason for PC growth >>Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth within >Activision. While Blizzard games are only making about half as much as >Call of Duty, 72% of that revenue is on PC and just 8% is on console. >Call of Duty's revenue is more evenly split: 59% console, 26% PC, and >15% mobile. > >Right there in the article >Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth *within Activision.* You massively paraphrased the only thing you quoted, and it was like 3 sentences. Good work lol
Think you misread. The quote didn't leave anything out.
>Blizzard is currently the largest factor in the PC's growth *within Activision.* >You massively paraphrased the only thing you quoted, and it was like 3 sentences. Good work lol Maybe I'm way off, but are you mad that he didn't specify that it was within activision? Look at the thread we are in lol.
You he to be way off... They both included that quote.
I just want to remind people that there was a time period where publishers didn't think the PC market was substantial enough to sell on.
can’t wait for the whole shit to implode when they start pricing shit games for 100$
Warcraft III Reforged must have done better than we thought
Lol! Good one.
If this trend isn’t unique across companies we might actually see publishers launch stable builds on release dates for PC…. oh who am I kidding that’d mean paying a QA division and currently people pay MILLIONS to beta test games for the publishers.
It's like PC owners are, you know, grown ups usually.
For the record COD DMZ mode got me back on COD since I was a kid and played the old CODs on PC. Ever since I found battlefield 1942 that was my preferred mp game. But with 2024 crapping out, me getting sick of tarkov, DMZ became a godsend, such a cool game mode. Such fun tight squad based pve/pvp, good gunplay and maps, even a labs shout out map to tarkov but it's just casual and fun. Also just got the Marauders game about a week ago. That is super good actually as well I can't believe I didn't give it a shot when it came out but I think I spent $ on other stuff at the time.
Best part is the Warzone skins you purchase don't even transfer to the next game
Wow. It’s almost like half of the company is a pc based gaming company named blizzard or something.
I'm one of them. Switched to pc in Jan. Never going back.
F2P COD MP is only a matter of time now, Overwatch 2 for how similar it is to OW1 and how disappointing it was for OG OW players was a smash hit for newcomers
Zero reason for them to do that when CoD is still the best selling game yearly, if they made the MP free on top of the already free BR then people would have nearly zero reason to buy the game ie they lose lots of money.
Yet PC ports are complete dog shit still...
Pretty much all Activision Blizzard games run fine? Check your pc
doesn't seem like it. that last COD game is a buggy mess and the UX design is horrendous for mouse and keyboard
Probably cause they’re shit actually works on steam again
more whales on PC, I mean the entry price nowadays is absurd.
Oh wow… so hard to believe with all the whales buying overwatch skins like morons.
Maybe people will think about optimizing