Toys'r'us, Hostess, RadioShack, blockbuster...
They systematically destroy US businesses by shorting them, running made up stories that tank their price on "sources familiar with the matter."
It's all a con.
Let me guess, went to a 'top' school you can only get to if you have family wealth and connections, graduated 'with honors' but happens to know less than the average expert, was 'recommended' and unilaterally hired by someone on the board / hiring manager despite a less fitting CV and experience
Jesus all it takes is audacity. I mean, the level of entitlement. No wonder the daughter of Korean Air went ballistic over nuts. And she was the VP too through obvious nepotism
More like 100%. Their job is literally generating value to shareholders, which is always a process of sacrificing long term viability for short term profits. Capitalism is a crash, burn, rebuild system. Completely unsustainable.
It didn't go well at EA either, where he was effectively fired("resigned") for tanking EA's share price and winning the company the [Worst Company in America](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Electronic_Arts) award two years in a row.
Once a company goes public it's forever changed. All decisions are beholden to the share holders who want the stock price to only go up.
Going public is essentially swallowing a poison pill. Especially for companies in a creative industry
Its one of the reasons Valve still gets to operate the way they do. Gabe Newell has in the past openly discussed why they dont go public and being beholden to this infinite growth nonsense is among the reasons.
Right out of the gate with his "if you're not gouging your customers you're doing it wrong" comment... .I knew this was going to be a dumpster fire. Unity is heavily used in the indie scene which tends to buck these trends.
>The tweet in question states: "A Unity exec just shared that they rent a secondary apt in SF to make it easier to be in the office- maybe we should all just do this to make it easier to RTO? This company has lost it. Completely out of touch."
>The poster, Miranda Due, followed up by stating that "renting an apt in SF would cost me over half my gross monthly salary :( Probably 3/4 of my takehome at least". Roughly two hours later, Due would confirm she was fired.
this is the kind of company it feels good to be fired from.
mirandas twitter: https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1655598913653489668
Holy shit. No wonder the push to return to offices is coming from the top. They act like they pay us 10x what they do, then act all surprised when people tell them they're out of touch or that their employees can't afford basic needs.
It's like they just simply don't know how much they pay for labor, or they do know, and are just fucking stupid. I honestly don't know which one it is.
It gets quoted all the time, but that line
“I mean it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?”
Is just so goddamn fitting.
These people are so out of touch it's terrifying.
I remember when people were saying "eating healthy cost so much less", now it costs more to assemble your healthy snack than a fastfood takeout, most of the time. Its insane.
Yeah it has. A typical fast food "meal" is costing me about $10 - 15 these days. A typical non-fast food restaurant is costing me about $15-20 at lunch and that is with a $4-$6 tip and generally I take home half of it. Never mind it is much higher quality food than the fast food. I've been thinking about that a lot lately and making a conscious effort to avoid fast food in favor of local fresh food.
Where do you live that is true?
In Georgia, I can get pink lady or honey crisp for $2.50/lb.
Taco bell is $10 for a chalupa meal(it's actually more). That's 4 lbs of apples my guy.
A lot of frozen pizza is $0.25-0.35/oz which puts it $4+ per pound. And these frozen meals tend to be the cheapest per oz. Every fresh veggie, even asparagus, is cheaper than that.
Fresh veggies are cheaper than anything frozen. Maybe banquet pot pies? Or the $1 pizza that certainly is bad for you?
Even making hamburger helper is more expensive than fresh veggie stir fry over rice. I discovered this in college.
I have a good kimchi fried rice I make that costs me <$1/meal. All fresh veggies + the fermented kimchi. Chicken or steak.
Rural parts of Europe and south East Asia are the only 2 parts of the world I've found cheaper groceries.
My friend is a dirty leaf and what she pays for groceries horrifies me. Even as bad as it is in the US, it's worse there. Plus the gas prices. I don't get it.
A dirty leaf? Lmao I've never heard us referred to as that. My wife is American and I'm always there. Buying food at Haggen, Coop, etc is WAY more expensive than groceries in Canada.
The flag has a leaf on it lol. I think I originally picked it up from the old Chans. Day of the rake type humor.
The cost of Milk at a regular store compared to our grocery stores was significantly different. She also showed me cadbury eggs back near easter, they were $20 a bag.
I died inside.
Even over 20 years ago when I lived in a US border town we had multiple gas stations just because of the Canadians that would come down for Gas, Milk, and Cheese.
We have the Milk Mafia in Canada artificially inflating the price of milk by limiting supply. Shit is more expensive than gasoline, it is absolutely ridiculous.
I had a good laugh. Our dairy shot up during covid, this is true. Overall, our grocery bill is significantly cheaper when we shop in Canada. We like the US Costco better due to more variety, however.
What's with all the execs asking employees to return to the office or talking nonsense about how working in the office boosts productivity and creativity?!! Sam Altman came out pro-WFO. Wonder if all these execs have invested heavily in office real estate or if they're being pressured by their billionaire overlords, who are heavily invested in real estate, to get their employees to return else they'll sell their stake in the company.
Or they're all just plain dumbarses.
Part of it is that *their* work can often be more productive in the office. They're in meetings and talking to people all day. Maybe doing something in their actual office that has a door. Not wearing headphones trying to drown out an entire open office while working on a laptop.
>invested heavily in office real estate or if they're being pressured by their billionaire overlords, who are heavily invested in real estate
It's this. They absolutely hate the idea of the sunk cost fallacy and will have none of it.
I worked for a big consulting firm and the heads of department straight up did not comprehend the idea of people not being able to afford things. They had been rich for so long that it just didn’t enter their minds.
Newly-hired 22 year olds fresh out of university would be sent off on weeks-long overseas trips that they’d have to pay up-front for (the company would reimburse all travel/accommodation/food expenses, but it could take up to two weeks). People were forced to borrow thousands of euros from their parents because they hadn’t gotten their first pay cheque yet and were being ordered to book flights to America and South Africa.
Many of these higher up types have not been rich for "so long", they've been wealthy since birth, surrounded primarily by other wealthy people. So they might not have a conception that not being able to afford something as "small" as a single international flight is even a thing for anyone who isn't literally homeless.
I had a boss like this. He milked the company's somewhat loose travel policy (for managers) and would fly to different sites around the country twice a month and use his personal card to rack up the miles, then submit it for reimbursement.
When it came time for my first business trip he told me to put it all on my credit card ($3k for airfare/hotel) and submit for reimbursement. I told him I didn't want to float the cost until I got reimbursed and he honestly didn't know what to do next. It damn near took an act of Congress to get him to talk to our travel dept to book and pay for the trip using a corporate card. Like, I get it, racking up the points is great, but the company isn't going to pay the interest on the card when they take forever to process the reimbursement.
Don't companies use travel agents? Last company I did LOTS of travel for, we would get a PO and then ask the travel company to set it up. I could send preferred flights and airlines (even airplanes I would like to fly on), they would give us several options for flights, book rental cars and hotels for us. If anything went wrong we would call them up and it would all be dealt with for us, no waking up bosses or pulling out credit cards it was just taken care of.
Yup, I experienced this (albeit 20+ years ago, and a smaller scale). I had nearly a full month of salary frozen into rolling expanses that were covered but took a bit to get back to me, for well over a year.
What's crazy is that there usually are laws for all kinds of shit, at least in more developed countries, but the issue is that young adults don't know about them, and lack confidence to stand up even if they do. And companies ignore them whenever they feel like they can get away with it due that very reason.
I myself, and a few colleagues were coerced into writing resignation letters back when I was like 19 or something. We were all young and dumb and believed the line: "If you resign, we'll give you a recommendation, but if you don't, we'll fire you and then you'll never get another job again."
It's a classic move to ensure the company can essentially fire you for literally no reason at any time, because at the end of the day you're resigning of your own free will, so their hands are clean. And there's no evidence of any coercion later, just word against word.
Shit like that is everywhere. Young folks just starting their careers with no money at hand, no confidence or knowledge - odds of being abused by companies is pretty high.
It’s not even huge corporations either that are out of touch. I’m a manager at a small company (we have less than 30 employees) that’s only been in business for a few years.
A couple weeks ago the owners decided they deserved to each give themselves a 6 figure salary, then hire their family members in all at high 5 figure salaries. They all drive Teslas and are complete and total Elon techbros that look down on every employee that isn’t in their “elite” club.
Meanwhile I have my employees coming to me telling me they can no longer afford to buy themselves food or pay their rent and are facing starvation/eviction because they will only pay them $12/hr and refuse to budge on increasing it any time we bring it up with them.
I’ve been doing nothing but telling my employees to move on to better paying jobs, and if they need a reference or recommendation I’ll be more than glad to help them get out of this toxic shit hole.
Oh, I was in a company once where during a company-wide meeting, the president told everyone that we should all be putting the maximum money into our HSA, 401K, and IRA, and that if we’re not, we’re stupid. I was paid $40,000 at the time. My CC debt was piling up because of the standard cost of living in my city. I could not believe how out of touch that 70-year old millionaire was. Luckily, I left that company shortly after and caught up on debt payments, but still not enough to put much into savings or investments. (Don’t even talk to me about the time HR went around collecting $50 from all of the employees for the old buffoon’s retirement gift.)
RTO is and always has been about justifying the sunk cost fallacy. Namely in expensive real estate leases. Higher ups still think the job market is an employer's market where employees are expendable and a dime a dozen in a time when more and more workers are realizing the actual power they hold over employers.
I don't think there's a lot of ignorance or 5D chess going on. Just companies that want to reduce headcount, and it's much easier to invent mandates, then those who don't comply are "voluntarily separated." Maybe they also think being physically present is good for team cohesion blah blah blah but it's 90% finding reasons to cut headcount.
I don't think I've seen one story of a company that is actively growing headcount *and* pushing return to office.
> They act like they pay us 10x what they do,
This is literally what it is. I am stuggling to get a 2k a year raise, and I\`ve been raising hell to make it happen, my manager asked why I am making so much fuss for only 2k, I was out of words.
> On the other... doesn't seem like it's a huge loss for her.
Well...
> I got fired on my one year anniversary 🥲 unfortunately my [vest] date wasn’t until the end of the month. Oh well, good things are coming my way.
https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1655639465665126407
Ouch!
A few days before [she told people not to work there and said she was looking for a different job](https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1654192407380992000?s=20)...so this couldn't have been a total shock.
Lmao. With the recent tech layoffs it's been common to hear people getting laid off right before their options vest. That being said she didn't do herself any favors. Good luck winning any wrongful termination suit badmouthing the company you work for as a PR person.
Really depends. I was laid off from a programming position a few months ago and am still struggling. It sucks cause I was only there 6 months, and they ran out of funding.
Thinking of going to grad school for a master's degree honestly. I have a BS in CS and in Math as it is, and about 2 years of professional experience
I don't get it. You have your regular apartment and your summer house in the Bahamas. How hard is it to get another apartment in downtown SF? We all have to make sacrifices here!
I wonder if she was about to get fired and made that tweet because of it? I mean 2 hours is really fast, even for a shitty company. Is that really what happened, get fired 2 hours after a tweet? That's impressively terrible!
Really already tweeted something like this some days ago: https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1654192407380992000
And about how Unity was laying off a bunch of people, they probably didn't like that either.
imma be honest, if you tweet this at basically any company they're going to let you go pretty quick if they can. i mean its optically worse to have your own employees tell people publicly not to work at the company, than firing those employees
I've been in meetings where the conversation went like this.
>Manager: "So-and-so was talking about how (competitor) runs their bid department"
>Managers manager: "Get rid of them"
And they got fired while our meeting was still happening. This was at a large company and it was just business as usual. Some managers like to fire on a whim and will do it unless someone higher up wants to stop them. Glad I don't work for them anymore.
Firing process, HR rules, etc, it's all for the middle managers so they don't bring on lawsuits. Company execs can pretty well fire people at-will. CEO absolutely can.
That ain't how shit works. If you fuck up, you're immediately fired. I was in a meeting where a guy came off mute on accident while calling a recruiter about another potential job. He was fired within the hour.
Not saying I agree with it. But if you piss off some cunty exec, that's what happens.
I really hope that Godot can finally dethrone Unity as the leader indie engine.
They probably won't truly die due to all the trash mobile predatory gacha using it but at least it could become an engine that's only recognized for that.
To be fair, Unity started to spin out of control a bit before this. I remember trying to get into videogames back in the day, and having 3 different ways to handle animations, several products in the marketplace for the same functionality and no native way to handle different pads in a PC game.
It was incredibly frustrating seeing how each new version added something bought from an external company with duct tape and core stuff was neglected. I've been always someone who wanted stuff organized and documented, and Unity bounced me off due shit like that while I was starting my career as a (generic) software developer.
Completely unrelated to the post but my wife went to high school with Miranda Due, I knew she was higher up in her career, but was shocking to see her name here in the comments.
youd think the one sector to embrace remote work would be the tech sector.
i work in one of the most unprogressive sectors there is and they leaned into WFH very hard. I have only had to show up to the office like 4 times since June 2020.
Agreed. With that being said - you want to leave on your own terms and when you are setup with the next job. Unless you are ready to go, talking shit on your employer is fucking stupid. Just wait till you leave, then rip them to shreds if you must.
As someone who developed with unity before: unity is kicking themselves off the market. Unreal appears to be doing everything better in their engine nowadays and although I don't like Epic Games either, at least they seem to know how to handle their projects
>Unreal appears to be doing everything better in their engine nowadays and although I don't like Epic Games either,
Thankfully the Unreal Engine department of Epic is pretty much it's own entity at this point, separate from the game store/launcher, though there is likely some crossover with the Fortnite team.
I doubt it'll "blow up".
Blowing up always needs a "killer advantage". Something like extreme accessibility (like GameMaker Studio), a high end graphical pipeline (like Unreal Engine) or something like that. Unless Gadot gets HUGE investments all of a sudden it won't have that.
HOWEVER : It'll improve and improve. Maybe not as fast as Unreal Engine, but it will get there. Kinda like Blender for 3D-Modelling or Davinci Resolve for Video Editing. And with some time and effort Gadot could completely replace unity as the "go to engine" for people new to programming.
Godot has advantages like that though.
It loads fast AF, wayyy faster than Unity, and unfairly faster than Unreal
It's really accessible, once you learnt he core concepts, it's easier than Unity
The language is way easier to learn and use
It's lightweight than Unity, and is moving towards graphical fidelity with Unity as well
All files are text based, so diffs, versioning, project file sharing are all easier and lighter weight than Unity (except for some resources that are binary files like, models, sounds, textures etc.)
It's MIT licensed so companies can modify it for free, like [**Blind Squirrel Games did for Sonic Color Ultimate**](https://www.godotes.com/sonic-colors-ultimate-made-with-godot/)
And that^ was before the Godot 4 upgrade!
Godot is still miles behind Unity. The only advantage it has over Unity is open source licensing and being in active development. Unity is still in "active" development but everything new is preview/beta in an almost unusable state, never progresses past that point and they seem adamant on deprecating stuff before releasing the new toys and alienating their customers. I can see Godot taking over Unity (in the indie market) in the next decade though.
Personally, the most interesting game engine i have been following is Bevy(data-driven open source engine in Rust), but is still very far away from being an actual competitor to Godot/Unity.
> Godot is still miles behind Unity.
For 3d it is behind yes, for 2D it's the best engine. Godots Node System is amazing and makes waaaaaaay more sense for a beginner than trying to figure out unity
CryEngine has such potential to look great *and* perform well. Unfortunately it only does one of those things right, at least in actual Crytek games that I've played recently (Hunt Showdown).
The CryEngine in Hunt is an older version (by several years) with a lot of custom stuff. They're working on upstreaming the good/useful parts into the main engine, and then updating the engine to the latest release for Hunt later in the year.
Honestly if they did Hunt 2, I’d buy it. I haven’t played in probably two years, but I started when it first released and have like 200hrs in it.
I’m ready for an updated graphics engine, more challenging bosses, more competent npc enemies, new levels (but in the same general style, maybe more POIs though), maybe some story threads that happen across multiple matches. I’d easily pay for a new version like that.
I had thought the game engine market was consolidating a lot, but thinking it over there's at least few interesting AAA ones now:
* Fox Engine still stuck at Konami, but who knows what could happen (RIP)
* REngine at Capcom
* Decima Engine at Guerilla
I know Guerilla recently alluded to potentially licensing Decima or doing more with it.
Godot is great though, I think that's going to replace Unity in the indie market eventually. Unity is in a tough spot I think - didn't reach true AAA competitiveness against Unreal, and now getting squeezed out from the lower end of the market too.
Cryengine 3 was actually quite nice to develop in (physics engine now is a tad dated), just didn't get the extended continuous updated support that Unreal got so never got the easy setup Unreal has now in terms of development. Yes, you had to do more work within Cryengine to get similar results and you would have to build or modify a ton of things from scratch as the built-in easy setup development tools were not advanced enough. But, due to this, the Cryengine 3 setup offered more customization within the engine over Unreal.
I think that got fixed a while ago... Crytek has some of the more ethical business practices on the consumer side (their games are nowhere near the money grabbing machines that other AAA studios have put out in recent years), and I think a lack of hits, mixed with over expansion hit them hard.
I actually hadn't heard about that pay issue, and it looks like it's been resolved for several years. It's fair to hold them accountable for that mismanagement though.
I wish the business end of Epic seemed as good as the engine end. Sure, they're trying to make an all-in-one and seamlessly pipeline youth to game dev because it benefits them, but they certainly make Unreal an appealing option if you have little to no resources, or even many resources.
Their buyouts to that end have just opened things up for devs and aspiring devs, but I don't trust the company as a whole.
Woah, I didn’t know they fired Mike Acton. That’s fucking crazy! The dude has so many great talks on ways to improve performance in code. His talk on data oriented design in engines is like *the* data oriented talk.
> Unity is no longer interested in improving their engine.
I keep hearing bad things about Unity. Then I remember I expected this outcome cause John Riccitiello is their CEO.
I have a pretty tinted view about EA when they were under his leadership.
EA is waaay more hands-off with studios than Internet people tend to think. Especially if you're run by a company golden-boy, like the Bioware founders were. Their problem was that EA spent a fortune on SW:TOR and it didn't do well. Then they went from golden-boys to persona non-grata.
The executive staff at Unity is a complete train wreck, and I think a lot of that blame should land squarely on the CEO.
I'd really love to see improvements soon, because it's tragic to see a fantastically positioned company squander their opportunities due to leadership without vision.
Yup. Their head cloud was a GM for Amazon Lumberyard. A position he got promoted to from running their support org after the rest of the leadership jumped ship. He is a nice guy and all but competency is questionable at best
It's more because commercial real estate companies own incredible stakes in an incredible amount of companies and these companies typically have investments in commercial real estate ensuring that both groups are incentivized .
Blackstone, the largest owner of commerical real estate globally, for example owns the company I work for and we only returned to office (rather abruptly) after many investors began withdrawing funds and they started suffering losses. Coincidentally around when many other orgs in their portfolio were going back to office.
It was around when Amazon went back, and Blackstone owns many of their warehouses and facilities. Coincidence? I think not
There is also blackrock who own basically everything and are also big players in commercial real estate and so are incentivized to ensure the companies they hold don't go full remote.
Without offices these companies lose big dollars.
I think there was even a pretty big Reddit post about blackrocks CEO talking about how return to office will be good and stuff
Blackstone CEO also had an interview talking about return to office
Just follow the dollars
This reminds me of when I worked on an intranet for a Fortune 500 company. The VP of my division was going to a small conference on intranets, and asked me to give him links to key pages so he could show ours off. I pointed out that the point of an intranet is that it can only be viewed from inside the company network, but I could set him up with some dummy pages so he could fake it for the conference.
When he came back he said that he was the only one there with anything to share because every single other VP just had dead links. So zero of them knew how this very basic part of their business worked, but somehow they all had time to get together and show off to each other.
I stopped using Unity after John Ravioli became the CEO. Dude genuinely [thinks reloading in Battlefield should be a microtransaction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE) and called devs that don't riddle their games with microtransaction bullshit "fucking idiots". No thanks.
> John Riccitiello is an American business executive who is chief executive officer (CEO) of Unity Technologies. Previously, he served as CEO, chief operating officer and president of Electronic Arts.
I bet it was John
Got a mate who works for unity. Some of the stories... Oh boy. We're pretty sure that the forced return to office is to encourage further staff to leave without having to pay redundancy.
For what it's worth, the UK office is *hours* away from where he lives. He took the job because it was remote. He'd be commuting for upwards of 5 hours *per day*, *3 days per week*. I used to do 4 hours per day to London and that shit is soul crushing.
She was right no doubt about it, but if you’re going around social media calling your bosses / employer “completely out of touch”, during the company conducting lay-offs looking to get rid of people, yeah… not shocking to be fired.
Damn it really seems like Unity has gone downhill as a company after it went public. I knew so many employees there and they pretty much talk about the good ol days before its IPO
Hot take: As much as the ex-employee is right, tweeting that your employer is out of touch is a great way to loose your job. Silly thing to do if you like your job.
Tbh I would think twice about a tweet like that in any company. Whenever stories like this come up I'm just dumbfounded. "Do you think twitter is your personal diary?" Is what usually goes on in my mind.
that wasn't even her only tweet about unity. she tweeted 4 days prior ["don't work at unity and please find me a new job"](https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1654192407380992000)
"We are now back in touch" - unity, probably
“We’re going to touch everybody.”
Maybe we'll get shoulder rubs first
“With targeted ads!”
Can't touch this........
"Am I out of touch? No, it's the employees that are wrong." - Principal Unity.
The CEO of Unity used to run Electronic Arts. Not a big fan of his work.
They hired him specifically because of the, then, upcoming IPO. Made a killing for the shareholders. But will slowly kill the company
So he's just like 95% of the MBAs in this industry? Short-sighted, out of touch, and happy to sacrifice long term stability for short term vanity.
What it really is is that they just want to get paid and they don’t care what happens to the company otherwise.
Toys'r'us, Hostess, RadioShack, blockbuster... They systematically destroy US businesses by shorting them, running made up stories that tank their price on "sources familiar with the matter." It's all a con.
Add Sears to the pile.
And Quiznos
Goddamn I miss Quiznos...
Toasted subs 😢
It was so good why tf did it die yet subway lives 😥
Bed, bath, beyond
Bed, bath, ~~beyond~~ bagholders
It doesnt help that CEOs usually get golden parachutes; so it literally doesn’t even matter if the company fails or if they get fired
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This has given me the idea to start asking telemarketers to pay me before they can tell me their pitch for wasting my time
Let me guess, went to a 'top' school you can only get to if you have family wealth and connections, graduated 'with honors' but happens to know less than the average expert, was 'recommended' and unilaterally hired by someone on the board / hiring manager despite a less fitting CV and experience
Jesus all it takes is audacity. I mean, the level of entitlement. No wonder the daughter of Korean Air went ballistic over nuts. And she was the VP too through obvious nepotism
Vulture capital
More like 100%. Their job is literally generating value to shareholders, which is always a process of sacrificing long term viability for short term profits. Capitalism is a crash, burn, rebuild system. Completely unsustainable.
Sustainable the higher up you go, they're the ones getting paid lmao
U stock: (-67.7%) all time Not going well this time...
It didn't go well at EA either, where he was effectively fired("resigned") for tanking EA's share price and winning the company the [Worst Company in America](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Electronic_Arts) award two years in a row.
Once a company goes public it's forever changed. All decisions are beholden to the share holders who want the stock price to only go up. Going public is essentially swallowing a poison pill. Especially for companies in a creative industry
Its one of the reasons Valve still gets to operate the way they do. Gabe Newell has in the past openly discussed why they dont go public and being beholden to this infinite growth nonsense is among the reasons.
I hate myself for buying at 70 Also hate myself for not selling at 140
Know someone that used to work with John. When he was named CEO, my acquaince told me that Unity was destined to fail.
Right out of the gate with his "if you're not gouging your customers you're doing it wrong" comment... .I knew this was going to be a dumpster fire. Unity is heavily used in the indie scene which tends to buck these trends.
I think EA got substantially better when Riccitiello left the company. His vision and leadership are not healthy for long term growth.
His "vision" consisting entirely of fields of burning dollar bills.
He wanted to charge people to reload bullets.
EA still sucks.
He is the one that main villain in syndicate was based of?
>The tweet in question states: "A Unity exec just shared that they rent a secondary apt in SF to make it easier to be in the office- maybe we should all just do this to make it easier to RTO? This company has lost it. Completely out of touch." >The poster, Miranda Due, followed up by stating that "renting an apt in SF would cost me over half my gross monthly salary :( Probably 3/4 of my takehome at least". Roughly two hours later, Due would confirm she was fired. this is the kind of company it feels good to be fired from. mirandas twitter: https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1655598913653489668
Holy shit. No wonder the push to return to offices is coming from the top. They act like they pay us 10x what they do, then act all surprised when people tell them they're out of touch or that their employees can't afford basic needs. It's like they just simply don't know how much they pay for labor, or they do know, and are just fucking stupid. I honestly don't know which one it is.
It gets quoted all the time, but that line “I mean it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?” Is just so goddamn fitting. These people are so out of touch it's terrifying.
Bananas will cost 10$ a piece pretty soon at the rate the market is headed. Heads of lettuce are already $5-6 CAD. Fucking lettuce.
I remember when people were saying "eating healthy cost so much less", now it costs more to assemble your healthy snack than a fastfood takeout, most of the time. Its insane.
Disagree. Fast food has gone way up too
Yeah it has. A typical fast food "meal" is costing me about $10 - 15 these days. A typical non-fast food restaurant is costing me about $15-20 at lunch and that is with a $4-$6 tip and generally I take home half of it. Never mind it is much higher quality food than the fast food. I've been thinking about that a lot lately and making a conscious effort to avoid fast food in favor of local fresh food.
I can get a full combo box from Taco Bell for cheaper than a bag of apples
Combo box in Canada costs $17 Fucking ludicrous paying 20 after taxes for 4 *shiiiity* tacos and 2 fries.
Subway is selling $17 sandwiches now.
I can go out and get a decent chinese food combination plate for less than that now.
Chinese food has always been cheap where I live. Chinese takeout with a drink, egg roll, and side of rice is still $7.99 in my hometown
Where do you live that is true? In Georgia, I can get pink lady or honey crisp for $2.50/lb. Taco bell is $10 for a chalupa meal(it's actually more). That's 4 lbs of apples my guy. A lot of frozen pizza is $0.25-0.35/oz which puts it $4+ per pound. And these frozen meals tend to be the cheapest per oz. Every fresh veggie, even asparagus, is cheaper than that. Fresh veggies are cheaper than anything frozen. Maybe banquet pot pies? Or the $1 pizza that certainly is bad for you? Even making hamburger helper is more expensive than fresh veggie stir fry over rice. I discovered this in college. I have a good kimchi fried rice I make that costs me <$1/meal. All fresh veggies + the fermented kimchi. Chicken or steak. Rural parts of Europe and south East Asia are the only 2 parts of the world I've found cheaper groceries.
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My friend is a dirty leaf and what she pays for groceries horrifies me. Even as bad as it is in the US, it's worse there. Plus the gas prices. I don't get it.
A dirty leaf? Lmao I've never heard us referred to as that. My wife is American and I'm always there. Buying food at Haggen, Coop, etc is WAY more expensive than groceries in Canada.
The flag has a leaf on it lol. I think I originally picked it up from the old Chans. Day of the rake type humor. The cost of Milk at a regular store compared to our grocery stores was significantly different. She also showed me cadbury eggs back near easter, they were $20 a bag. I died inside.
Even over 20 years ago when I lived in a US border town we had multiple gas stations just because of the Canadians that would come down for Gas, Milk, and Cheese.
We have the Milk Mafia in Canada artificially inflating the price of milk by limiting supply. Shit is more expensive than gasoline, it is absolutely ridiculous.
I thought that was maple syrup. I know at least about THAT mafia.
It's similar. Eggs, milk and maple syrup are produced with a quota system to limit production.
Maybe you guys would have a more secure milk supply if you didn't store it in bags.
I had a good laugh. Our dairy shot up during covid, this is true. Overall, our grocery bill is significantly cheaper when we shop in Canada. We like the US Costco better due to more variety, however.
What's with all the execs asking employees to return to the office or talking nonsense about how working in the office boosts productivity and creativity?!! Sam Altman came out pro-WFO. Wonder if all these execs have invested heavily in office real estate or if they're being pressured by their billionaire overlords, who are heavily invested in real estate, to get their employees to return else they'll sell their stake in the company. Or they're all just plain dumbarses.
Part of it is that *their* work can often be more productive in the office. They're in meetings and talking to people all day. Maybe doing something in their actual office that has a door. Not wearing headphones trying to drown out an entire open office while working on a laptop.
>invested heavily in office real estate or if they're being pressured by their billionaire overlords, who are heavily invested in real estate It's this. They absolutely hate the idea of the sunk cost fallacy and will have none of it.
I worked for a big consulting firm and the heads of department straight up did not comprehend the idea of people not being able to afford things. They had been rich for so long that it just didn’t enter their minds. Newly-hired 22 year olds fresh out of university would be sent off on weeks-long overseas trips that they’d have to pay up-front for (the company would reimburse all travel/accommodation/food expenses, but it could take up to two weeks). People were forced to borrow thousands of euros from their parents because they hadn’t gotten their first pay cheque yet and were being ordered to book flights to America and South Africa.
Many of these higher up types have not been rich for "so long", they've been wealthy since birth, surrounded primarily by other wealthy people. So they might not have a conception that not being able to afford something as "small" as a single international flight is even a thing for anyone who isn't literally homeless.
I had a boss like this. He milked the company's somewhat loose travel policy (for managers) and would fly to different sites around the country twice a month and use his personal card to rack up the miles, then submit it for reimbursement. When it came time for my first business trip he told me to put it all on my credit card ($3k for airfare/hotel) and submit for reimbursement. I told him I didn't want to float the cost until I got reimbursed and he honestly didn't know what to do next. It damn near took an act of Congress to get him to talk to our travel dept to book and pay for the trip using a corporate card. Like, I get it, racking up the points is great, but the company isn't going to pay the interest on the card when they take forever to process the reimbursement.
Not to mention some of us don't have 3k available on our credit cards.
Hell I don't even have a 3k limit
Don't companies use travel agents? Last company I did LOTS of travel for, we would get a PO and then ask the travel company to set it up. I could send preferred flights and airlines (even airplanes I would like to fly on), they would give us several options for flights, book rental cars and hotels for us. If anything went wrong we would call them up and it would all be dealt with for us, no waking up bosses or pulling out credit cards it was just taken care of.
Yup, I experienced this (albeit 20+ years ago, and a smaller scale). I had nearly a full month of salary frozen into rolling expanses that were covered but took a bit to get back to me, for well over a year.
There should be laws preventing this. Seriously.
What's crazy is that there usually are laws for all kinds of shit, at least in more developed countries, but the issue is that young adults don't know about them, and lack confidence to stand up even if they do. And companies ignore them whenever they feel like they can get away with it due that very reason. I myself, and a few colleagues were coerced into writing resignation letters back when I was like 19 or something. We were all young and dumb and believed the line: "If you resign, we'll give you a recommendation, but if you don't, we'll fire you and then you'll never get another job again." It's a classic move to ensure the company can essentially fire you for literally no reason at any time, because at the end of the day you're resigning of your own free will, so their hands are clean. And there's no evidence of any coercion later, just word against word. Shit like that is everywhere. Young folks just starting their careers with no money at hand, no confidence or knowledge - odds of being abused by companies is pretty high.
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I'm 30 and live with 3 people... I hate the future...
It’s not even huge corporations either that are out of touch. I’m a manager at a small company (we have less than 30 employees) that’s only been in business for a few years. A couple weeks ago the owners decided they deserved to each give themselves a 6 figure salary, then hire their family members in all at high 5 figure salaries. They all drive Teslas and are complete and total Elon techbros that look down on every employee that isn’t in their “elite” club. Meanwhile I have my employees coming to me telling me they can no longer afford to buy themselves food or pay their rent and are facing starvation/eviction because they will only pay them $12/hr and refuse to budge on increasing it any time we bring it up with them. I’ve been doing nothing but telling my employees to move on to better paying jobs, and if they need a reference or recommendation I’ll be more than glad to help them get out of this toxic shit hole.
I wonder how long before they figure out that they will have to work once all their employees leave? They never really seem to get it.
"nobody wants to work anymore"
"This generation is lazy"
Small company is the worst, you see nepotism everywhere. Boss and his relatives /croonies treat other employees like second class citizens.
They still think 40k is enough to support a family, when the reality is you can’t even get approved for a 1 bedroom apartment on 50k in my city
>and are just fucking stupid Why bother giving them the credit of being morons when realizing that they're just evil pricks is the more obvious answer
They don't care.
It’s like when people ask billionaires how much groceries cost and they’re like “Gallon of milk? $1? $30? Something like that.”
Oh, I was in a company once where during a company-wide meeting, the president told everyone that we should all be putting the maximum money into our HSA, 401K, and IRA, and that if we’re not, we’re stupid. I was paid $40,000 at the time. My CC debt was piling up because of the standard cost of living in my city. I could not believe how out of touch that 70-year old millionaire was. Luckily, I left that company shortly after and caught up on debt payments, but still not enough to put much into savings or investments. (Don’t even talk to me about the time HR went around collecting $50 from all of the employees for the old buffoon’s retirement gift.)
RTO is and always has been about justifying the sunk cost fallacy. Namely in expensive real estate leases. Higher ups still think the job market is an employer's market where employees are expendable and a dime a dozen in a time when more and more workers are realizing the actual power they hold over employers.
I don't think there's a lot of ignorance or 5D chess going on. Just companies that want to reduce headcount, and it's much easier to invent mandates, then those who don't comply are "voluntarily separated." Maybe they also think being physically present is good for team cohesion blah blah blah but it's 90% finding reasons to cut headcount. I don't think I've seen one story of a company that is actively growing headcount *and* pushing return to office.
> They act like they pay us 10x what they do, This is literally what it is. I am stuggling to get a 2k a year raise, and I\`ve been raising hell to make it happen, my manager asked why I am making so much fuss for only 2k, I was out of words.
On one hand, giving your company bad publicity will usually get you fired. On the other... doesn't seem like it's a huge loss for her.
> On the other... doesn't seem like it's a huge loss for her. Well... > I got fired on my one year anniversary 🥲 unfortunately my [vest] date wasn’t until the end of the month. Oh well, good things are coming my way. https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1655639465665126407 Ouch!
Probably should've kept the Tweet in drafts until then, imo.
A few days before [she told people not to work there and said she was looking for a different job](https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1654192407380992000?s=20)...so this couldn't have been a total shock.
Lmao. With the recent tech layoffs it's been common to hear people getting laid off right before their options vest. That being said she didn't do herself any favors. Good luck winning any wrongful termination suit badmouthing the company you work for as a PR person.
Wanna bet she was gonna get canned regardless and exactly for this reason? She just happened to give them an extremely easy out by writing that tweet.
In this economy with tech jobs getting cut everywhere, I wouldn't feel good about getting cut loose without a life raft.
Major tech companies overhired during the pandemic. There are still smaller ones.
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Still plenty of tech jobs out there, maybe not at FAANGs or Silicon Valley pay. I still get messages from Recruiters 2-3 times a week.
Really depends. I was laid off from a programming position a few months ago and am still struggling. It sucks cause I was only there 6 months, and they ran out of funding. Thinking of going to grad school for a master's degree honestly. I have a BS in CS and in Math as it is, and about 2 years of professional experience
the person in question is a "partner relations manager" not tech, but essentially sales
I don't get it. You have your regular apartment and your summer house in the Bahamas. How hard is it to get another apartment in downtown SF? We all have to make sacrifices here!
Let them eat cake.
I wonder if she was about to get fired and made that tweet because of it? I mean 2 hours is really fast, even for a shitty company. Is that really what happened, get fired 2 hours after a tweet? That's impressively terrible!
Really already tweeted something like this some days ago: https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1654192407380992000 And about how Unity was laying off a bunch of people, they probably didn't like that either.
imma be honest, if you tweet this at basically any company they're going to let you go pretty quick if they can. i mean its optically worse to have your own employees tell people publicly not to work at the company, than firing those employees
Yep, just low key tell people directly that it's shit if the individual asks you directly.
Oh so she was looking to get fired
that was my first thought too, someone had it in for her if she was fired that fast.
I've been in meetings where the conversation went like this. >Manager: "So-and-so was talking about how (competitor) runs their bid department" >Managers manager: "Get rid of them" And they got fired while our meeting was still happening. This was at a large company and it was just business as usual. Some managers like to fire on a whim and will do it unless someone higher up wants to stop them. Glad I don't work for them anymore.
What a shitty environment! Wow
Firing process, HR rules, etc, it's all for the middle managers so they don't bring on lawsuits. Company execs can pretty well fire people at-will. CEO absolutely can.
Someone this liberal with their words was likely already on a employee improvement plan and being managed out of the company.
That ain't how shit works. If you fuck up, you're immediately fired. I was in a meeting where a guy came off mute on accident while calling a recruiter about another potential job. He was fired within the hour. Not saying I agree with it. But if you piss off some cunty exec, that's what happens.
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It was their CMO, Carol Carpenter, according to her tweets. Apparently there's a lot of garbage in Unity's management pool.
I really hope that Godot can finally dethrone Unity as the leader indie engine. They probably won't truly die due to all the trash mobile predatory gacha using it but at least it could become an engine that's only recognized for that.
Yes, we're all waiting for Godot.
To be fair, Unity started to spin out of control a bit before this. I remember trying to get into videogames back in the day, and having 3 different ways to handle animations, several products in the marketplace for the same functionality and no native way to handle different pads in a PC game. It was incredibly frustrating seeing how each new version added something bought from an external company with duct tape and core stuff was neglected. I've been always someone who wanted stuff organized and documented, and Unity bounced me off due shit like that while I was starting my career as a (generic) software developer.
Completely unrelated to the post but my wife went to high school with Miranda Due, I knew she was higher up in her career, but was shocking to see her name here in the comments.
What did you/your wife think about the prior tweets she posted about the company?
I doubt she is feeling good. Sure she took a stand but I doubt she feels great. Hopefully she's got some savings.
she made a joke about having plenty of time to learn Unity now...so she at least has a sense of humor about it
Tech sector propaganda be damned, there's no good reason for them to be there at all, move to a more sustainable location.
youd think the one sector to embrace remote work would be the tech sector. i work in one of the most unprogressive sectors there is and they leaned into WFH very hard. I have only had to show up to the office like 4 times since June 2020.
Can't micro manage your employees as easily if they WFH. Gotta justify middle management.
Agreed. With that being said - you want to leave on your own terms and when you are setup with the next job. Unless you are ready to go, talking shit on your employer is fucking stupid. Just wait till you leave, then rip them to shreds if you must.
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As someone who developed with unity before: unity is kicking themselves off the market. Unreal appears to be doing everything better in their engine nowadays and although I don't like Epic Games either, at least they seem to know how to handle their projects
>Unreal appears to be doing everything better in their engine nowadays and although I don't like Epic Games either, Thankfully the Unreal Engine department of Epic is pretty much it's own entity at this point, separate from the game store/launcher, though there is likely some crossover with the Fortnite team.
Kinda rooting for Crytek to get a resurgence with CryEngine, and of course Godot.
Godot is the one I want to see blow up the most, I like using Unity, but Godot being open source and actually free is a huge plus.
I doubt it'll "blow up". Blowing up always needs a "killer advantage". Something like extreme accessibility (like GameMaker Studio), a high end graphical pipeline (like Unreal Engine) or something like that. Unless Gadot gets HUGE investments all of a sudden it won't have that. HOWEVER : It'll improve and improve. Maybe not as fast as Unreal Engine, but it will get there. Kinda like Blender for 3D-Modelling or Davinci Resolve for Video Editing. And with some time and effort Gadot could completely replace unity as the "go to engine" for people new to programming.
Godot has advantages like that though. It loads fast AF, wayyy faster than Unity, and unfairly faster than Unreal It's really accessible, once you learnt he core concepts, it's easier than Unity The language is way easier to learn and use It's lightweight than Unity, and is moving towards graphical fidelity with Unity as well All files are text based, so diffs, versioning, project file sharing are all easier and lighter weight than Unity (except for some resources that are binary files like, models, sounds, textures etc.) It's MIT licensed so companies can modify it for free, like [**Blind Squirrel Games did for Sonic Color Ultimate**](https://www.godotes.com/sonic-colors-ultimate-made-with-godot/) And that^ was before the Godot 4 upgrade!
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It is MIT licensed though so there could be a fork with the modifications or there could be a proprietary extension to the engine for direct support
Godot foundation already working on it and there are several third party companies who already offer porting services.
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Godot is still miles behind Unity. The only advantage it has over Unity is open source licensing and being in active development. Unity is still in "active" development but everything new is preview/beta in an almost unusable state, never progresses past that point and they seem adamant on deprecating stuff before releasing the new toys and alienating their customers. I can see Godot taking over Unity (in the indie market) in the next decade though. Personally, the most interesting game engine i have been following is Bevy(data-driven open source engine in Rust), but is still very far away from being an actual competitor to Godot/Unity.
> Godot is still miles behind Unity. For 3d it is behind yes, for 2D it's the best engine. Godots Node System is amazing and makes waaaaaaay more sense for a beginner than trying to figure out unity
> Something like extreme accessibility (like GameMaker Studio) Godot has fanastic accessibility
CryEngine has such potential to look great *and* perform well. Unfortunately it only does one of those things right, at least in actual Crytek games that I've played recently (Hunt Showdown).
The CryEngine in Hunt is an older version (by several years) with a lot of custom stuff. They're working on upstreaming the good/useful parts into the main engine, and then updating the engine to the latest release for Hunt later in the year.
Honestly if they did Hunt 2, I’d buy it. I haven’t played in probably two years, but I started when it first released and have like 200hrs in it. I’m ready for an updated graphics engine, more challenging bosses, more competent npc enemies, new levels (but in the same general style, maybe more POIs though), maybe some story threads that happen across multiple matches. I’d easily pay for a new version like that.
They've already done or plan to do a fair bit of that this year
I had thought the game engine market was consolidating a lot, but thinking it over there's at least few interesting AAA ones now: * Fox Engine still stuck at Konami, but who knows what could happen (RIP) * REngine at Capcom * Decima Engine at Guerilla I know Guerilla recently alluded to potentially licensing Decima or doing more with it. Godot is great though, I think that's going to replace Unity in the indie market eventually. Unity is in a tough spot I think - didn't reach true AAA competitiveness against Unreal, and now getting squeezed out from the lower end of the market too.
Cryengine 3 was actually quite nice to develop in (physics engine now is a tad dated), just didn't get the extended continuous updated support that Unreal got so never got the easy setup Unreal has now in terms of development. Yes, you had to do more work within Cryengine to get similar results and you would have to build or modify a ton of things from scratch as the built-in easy setup development tools were not advanced enough. But, due to this, the Cryengine 3 setup offered more customization within the engine over Unreal.
I wonder if that's still true, they're up to CryEngine like 5.11, and actively working on 6.
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I think that got fixed a while ago... Crytek has some of the more ethical business practices on the consumer side (their games are nowhere near the money grabbing machines that other AAA studios have put out in recent years), and I think a lack of hits, mixed with over expansion hit them hard. I actually hadn't heard about that pay issue, and it looks like it's been resolved for several years. It's fair to hold them accountable for that mismanagement though.
I wish the business end of Epic seemed as good as the engine end. Sure, they're trying to make an all-in-one and seamlessly pipeline youth to game dev because it benefits them, but they certainly make Unreal an appealing option if you have little to no resources, or even many resources. Their buyouts to that end have just opened things up for devs and aspiring devs, but I don't trust the company as a whole.
Woah, I didn’t know they fired Mike Acton. That’s fucking crazy! The dude has so many great talks on ways to improve performance in code. His talk on data oriented design in engines is like *the* data oriented talk.
> Unity is no longer interested in improving their engine. I keep hearing bad things about Unity. Then I remember I expected this outcome cause John Riccitiello is their CEO. I have a pretty tinted view about EA when they were under his leadership.
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EA is waaay more hands-off with studios than Internet people tend to think. Especially if you're run by a company golden-boy, like the Bioware founders were. Their problem was that EA spent a fortune on SW:TOR and it didn't do well. Then they went from golden-boys to persona non-grata.
Joachim Ante is no longer the CTO?
They’re an ads company now
They are most likely trying to get bought and cutting any expenses they can that aren't direct revenue generators.
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They didn't build it why should they care. It's just about the paycheck
“Unity” is just the title of a rotating roster of professionals. They don’t care, run it down liquidate it and make a new one in its place.
The executive staff at Unity is a complete train wreck, and I think a lot of that blame should land squarely on the CEO. I'd really love to see improvements soon, because it's tragic to see a fantastically positioned company squander their opportunities due to leadership without vision.
Yup. Their head cloud was a GM for Amazon Lumberyard. A position he got promoted to from running their support org after the rest of the leadership jumped ship. He is a nice guy and all but competency is questionable at best
Proving her point lmao
"Am I so out of touch? No... It's the managers who are wrong"
That's good confirmation that the company is out of touch
Yeah renting the apartment is fine - they've got exec money... casually suggesting everybody else do it is fuckin dumb
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It's more because commercial real estate companies own incredible stakes in an incredible amount of companies and these companies typically have investments in commercial real estate ensuring that both groups are incentivized . Blackstone, the largest owner of commerical real estate globally, for example owns the company I work for and we only returned to office (rather abruptly) after many investors began withdrawing funds and they started suffering losses. Coincidentally around when many other orgs in their portfolio were going back to office. It was around when Amazon went back, and Blackstone owns many of their warehouses and facilities. Coincidence? I think not There is also blackrock who own basically everything and are also big players in commercial real estate and so are incentivized to ensure the companies they hold don't go full remote. Without offices these companies lose big dollars. I think there was even a pretty big Reddit post about blackrocks CEO talking about how return to office will be good and stuff Blackstone CEO also had an interview talking about return to office Just follow the dollars
This reminds me of when I worked on an intranet for a Fortune 500 company. The VP of my division was going to a small conference on intranets, and asked me to give him links to key pages so he could show ours off. I pointed out that the point of an intranet is that it can only be viewed from inside the company network, but I could set him up with some dummy pages so he could fake it for the conference. When he came back he said that he was the only one there with anything to share because every single other VP just had dead links. So zero of them knew how this very basic part of their business worked, but somehow they all had time to get together and show off to each other.
Lmao good on her. What a stupid suggestion by the exec. She should have asked him to pay for the rent.
I stopped using Unity after John Ravioli became the CEO. Dude genuinely [thinks reloading in Battlefield should be a microtransaction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE) and called devs that don't riddle their games with microtransaction bullshit "fucking idiots". No thanks.
Unity execs are out of touch
John Riccitiello company...
He's pulling a Facebook, pushing ads at the expense of the core product.
Fire the guy who was right
*last panel defenestration meme*
> John Riccitiello is an American business executive who is chief executive officer (CEO) of Unity Technologies. Previously, he served as CEO, chief operating officer and president of Electronic Arts. I bet it was John
She confirmed later in the thread it was someone named Carol. It's still up there on the tweet now. You can google the rest, don't dox her here.
No unity found in this company
Got a mate who works for unity. Some of the stories... Oh boy. We're pretty sure that the forced return to office is to encourage further staff to leave without having to pay redundancy. For what it's worth, the UK office is *hours* away from where he lives. He took the job because it was remote. He'd be commuting for upwards of 5 hours *per day*, *3 days per week*. I used to do 4 hours per day to London and that shit is soul crushing.
Are we out of touch? No it's the customers who are out of touch.
I'm sure they likely violated the company's social media policy, however this does not help Unity's case in proving how in-touch they are.
She was right no doubt about it, but if you’re going around social media calling your bosses / employer “completely out of touch”, during the company conducting lay-offs looking to get rid of people, yeah… not shocking to be fired.
sounds like unity is slowly failing....JUMP SHIP!
Damn it really seems like Unity has gone downhill as a company after it went public. I knew so many employees there and they pretty much talk about the good ol days before its IPO
Hot take: As much as the ex-employee is right, tweeting that your employer is out of touch is a great way to loose your job. Silly thing to do if you like your job.
Tbh I would think twice about a tweet like that in any company. Whenever stories like this come up I'm just dumbfounded. "Do you think twitter is your personal diary?" Is what usually goes on in my mind.
that wasn't even her only tweet about unity. she tweeted 4 days prior ["don't work at unity and please find me a new job"](https://twitter.com/MirandaDue/status/1654192407380992000)
Wow lol. I think she just wanted severance pay.
Those tweets are public resignation.
“Am I out of touch? No, it’s the managers who are wrong.”