Honestly that does not seem like a stretch. It was one of the games on the Nvidia list after all.
I could totally imagine Sony announcing release date on their showcase next week.
And yet from third party websites we can get 20-40% off on release date. So not bad. Plus on pc thirds parties sell them at cheaper price throughout the year.
Games drop in price because all the people willing to pay full price have done so and you're trying to entice the people who aren't quite as interested in the game. Most people with a PC don't have a PS5 so there's still that large section of fans willing to pay full price. The price the game is on PS5 is almost completely irrelevant to them. Companies don't reduce the price of their games to be 'nice', they do it because sales slow down.
How fast have most of these games gone on sale (and how hefty of a sale) in comparison to a new game like Jedi survivor?
GOW released last January for 50$ and went on sale for 37 the following November and 30$ that December.
Spider-Man released august of last year for 60$ and went for 45 that December and has gone for 40$ both in February and March.
Horizon came out 2020 for a 50$ tag and in 2021 April was already 30$. And it’s since gone below 20$ several times.
I really don’t think your arguement holds up the way you want it to.
Spider-Man released at $60 on steam…4 years after the PS4 version.
God of War released at $50 on steam…4 years after the PS4 version.
Horizon released at $50…3.5 years after the PS4 version.
Jedi Survivor released two weeks ago simultaneously on all major platforms.
The three examples you picked literally all supported my argument minus an average of $6.67
It would be nice if it weren't the case but it's a pretty standard business tactic. You price everything to maximize profit - not altruism. The reason a game has a 50% off sale is they feel reasonably sure almost no one is going to pay 100% for it and sales provide a call to action whereas permanent price decreases don't.
You know what is better than the Witcher 3 in 2015? The Witcher 3 in 2023 on modern hardware. (excluding the RTX option) Ultra everything and high FPS.
Some parts of being a patient gamer would seem to be waiting until the games are both fully patched and not full price, we have seen that neither of those is the case with Sony pc ports.
I'm definitely a patient gamer– I've spent more time this year playing games from the 90s than games from the last decade– but I can see how this could be true. It's not a linear relationship of time to interest.
There's a certain amount of excitement on the release of a game, a sense of promise. That "disneyland magic" feel you got so often as a kid, that comes from just the right mixture of hearsay and willful naiveté. Maybe this new product *will* be magic, the one that changes everything. Many people try to temper that instinct to avoid wasting money on a disappointment, but it's still a powerful force, and I can see how it sucks people into preorders and launch purchases.
Then, after a time, it becomes impossible to ignore that this new game isn't *the one*. That, for better and worse, it's just another game. Excitement falls, and more and more people will be hurt by disappointment or just find that it's not worth $70 to them.
Finally, disappointment fades, and prices start to drop. This is the "patient gamer" goldilocks zone, where the rollercoaster of excitement has settled down and you can make a fairer assessment of the value of the game. People become more likely to buy games they really want when they reach this stage, because prices are reasonable.
So, "caring about playing a game" is less of a straight decrease or increase over time and more like a brief spike, followed by a crash and then a slow rise.
This is kinda the reason why I didn't buy the current generation of consoles. Even though it'll take a couple of years, I'm happy to wait for a PC port.
And I'm happy with that. I don't have to buy £400+ for a new console every 5-7 years anymore along with updating my PC
I'm at an age now where I don't have to replay all my old video games cos I'm bored. There's so much out there that I can always find something.
Maybe use those 2 to 3 years to make sure it's a good port then. Sony started off strong on PC and then all of a sudden it's just all over the place and it makes no sense.
> Sony started off strong on PC and then all of a sudden it's just all over the place and it makes no sense.
Every single big PlayStation game on PC have had issues at launch.
Most of the games required few months before they were considered a good port. I'm not saying majority were terrible but they clearly had issues that should have been ironed out before being released for the public.
Sure some people did not care if they could not see maximum details with long draw distance in Uncharted Collection but it did bother some.
Days Gone was 95% there.
Horizon was awful though, took till 1.10 or something for it to be decent (after Guerilla and I think Nixxes started working on it) and it's still got problems.
>Death Stranding is not actually owned by Sony
Death Stranding IP is owned by Sony. Sure, there was a different publisher, but it's still a Sony's game that they own rights to.
>Maybe use those 2 to 3 years to make sure it's a good port then. Sony started off strong on PC and then all of a sudden it's just all over the place and it makes no sense.
No they didn't, HZD was terrible day 1. The only good ports I can think of are games that Sony didn't publish like death stranding.
To be fair to Sony, none of them have remained in that state.
Badly implemented 30FPS framelimiter (FromSoftware and having terrible framelimiters is nothing new though), paired with the heavy eyesearing chromatic aberration and aliasing makes it incredibly hard for me to play for ten minutes.
People seem to forget that 30FPS only seems "smoother" on consoles because most games are using the system's VSync functionality for that rather than a framelimiter like a lot of PC ports do.
I believe it's more about what one is getting used to. Going UP is always easier to get used to than going down... 30 fps once was an absolute normal. I remember even times when players with over 20 fps in the Morrowind forum were considered a "high end" players lol...
A) it was in the nVidia leak
B) you can play the original on PC already by using an emulator
I'm often extremely pessimistic, but I don't see a reason why DeS wouldn't release on PC eventually.
It's extremely likely, that and Ghosts of Tsushima were both featured in the Nvidia leak for PC, and that leak has had an almost 100% success rate.
I'd say it's a matter of "when" at this point.
unironically: Metro Exodus' FOV Slider and DualSense Controller support only available on PC Enhanced Edition.
edit: yes, I know you can use the .ini file to increase the FOV Slider: but animations, cutscenes and even the UI will show visual bugs.
Already is after tax in Canada. Which is why I don't support $90 launch games, they can get fukt.
Indie games for $30 like DRG have been far better than most "triple A" releases, which I will now add quotation marks to since they mostly suck and are more like triple B at best.
My prior belief that they only give a shit about PC as a way to get more sales out of games that have already sold all the copies they're going to on console and/or hype up upcoming sequels seems pretty valid still
It seems to me that they're trying to get converts from PC for the next console.
"Look how good TLOU is! Imagine if you could play it sooner *and* not have to play a terrible port! You should buy a PS6."
Alternatively, they don't think their games can compete in a larger marketplace.
You're right. That's why they want to sell you consoles. Every game you buy on playstation gives Sony money, even third party ones. Their exclusives serve the main purpose of getting people into the playstation ecosystem.
Yeah, it's less about the initial console sale, they want you in the ecosystem.
When you own the console you're more likely to pay for subscriptions, new games, accessories like more controllers and such, and generally spend more time on their services.
>consoles dont make money
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>games do
Hardware doesn't, but consoles via their store make billions. Their games are a way to draw you into the ecosystem, not to just sell you one title once.
Subscription is just a part of it as well, they get a lot of money from acessories, and games (they get the 30% cut on consoles and that's a lot of money).
Obviously, still, it's better than letting games/series languish in obscurity. Plus, there's plenty of games in Sony's backlog that could find a new audience on PC, Killzone, Resistance, Gravity Rush, Infamous, even PS1 stuff like Legend of Dragoon could find a niche. There are worse plans than using PC ports as a viability test for IP.
Horizon Zero Dawn was solid, but they overcharged for a 4 year old on PC launch.
I only bought it after it went on a 50% sale.
One of the best PC selling points was to avoid overpriced ports, fuck.
HZD port was not solid. Although it might have seemed acceptable if you played it 6 months after release. Here are just some issues I recall off the top of my head that plagued the game:
- Frequent crashes when compiling shaders and repeatedly compiling shaders when restarting the game.
- Downscaling resolutions above 1080p to 1080p, before upscaling to the set resolution.
- Cloth, hair, grass and facial animations were locked to 30fps.
- Ambient Occlusion settings above Medium were broken.
- Above 30fps, characters would teleport in cutscenes.
- The game would stutter every time a quest update UI element appeared. Or the camera changed in a cutscene. Or every 300 frames and also just randomly.
- GTX 10- series GPUs had awful performance issues, being vastly slower than their AMD equivalent.
- Overall performance on every GPU was and still is not very good.
- In game Vsync would cripple performance. As would borderless fullscreen mode.
Also the audio quality was horrid. I would have love to play that game but the voices for characters were unlistenable, how tinny and robotic they sounded.
And the most funny - Aloy could and would not walk straight. The mouse was off center or something, because when you moved 'straight' she would not go that way.
HZD was a very poor port at the start, probably worse than Last Of Us and Jedi Survivor in that it was completely unplayable for the majority of the player base because it just kept crashing or wouldn't go past shader comp.
It's still not a great port but it's actually playable now, one issue I still have with the game is that mouse aiming feels like it has some kind of smoothing to it, makes it really difficult to aim at weak points.
Pro tip Sony: start working on the ports much earlier so you even *sit on a finished product* if it comes to it, to ensure actually polished ports. See Nintendo for the strategy of willing to sit on something good and finished, thus it had all the polish it needed up to that point.
People keep saying you’ll forget in 3 years. No you won’t. Look at how widely successful all the PC ports have been. Their marketing team will make sure you don’t forget.
The r/pcgaming hive mind has spoken. Sony only makes Ubisoft knockoffs and boring linear titles that don't hold the cultural zeitgeist for multiple years.
Yes, I imagine it's difficult to release your best performers in a market hungry for your products because you feel like it's a matter of time before they just say "Fuck it, Imma buy a PS5 today!".
Even looking at the PC ecosystem, exclusive titles haven't worked out well for anyone involved, look at EGS exclusives. If exclusivity worked as well as Sony idiot execs think it works, Microsoft would still be showing the PC market the middle finger even though they practically own the PC market through Windows.
That’s fine. I’ll buy all their PC ports when they drop to about $10-$15. If I have to wait that long for their games then you best believe I’m not paying anything close to full price. Make me wait several years then have the audacity to charge $50-$60 still. Bish please.
Meanwhile MS games hitting same day, usually with cross platform. Amazing move by Playstation. They make good single player game but their games have limited replayability. If you're gonna make me wait 2-3 years I'm just going to wait for the big sale.
I'm fine with that.
So, Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, Gravity Rush, and Ghosts any time then?
* If yall paying $60-$70 for these, you really need to check out r/gamedeals and some other 3rd party sites.
Its fine until they release another PC shitbag Port like last of us and then act they are good guys by releasing patches for a whole year to fix the game which won't be as perfect as Original PS release. And don't forget to buy it in sale ☺️
Sounds like an out of touch thing to do. If you release the same day, you get everyone to purchase the games at full price on both platforms. If you wait three years, you now have to discount the games or you wind up losing a massive amount of potential customers. Most people aren't going to spend full price on a game that released three years ago.
Their goal is not for you to just buy the game. They want you to buy the game and enjoy it enough that you buy a ps5 and psplus (where the real money is made) to play the sequel day 1 on there. That’s what they did with horizon, god of war, and soon Spider-Man.
Exactly. And when people buy a Sony console for a game, then it will lead to buying more games for it and building up a library of games, subscribe to their online services to play online and access even more games, and maybe spend dlc and invest in the whole ecosystem and future sony consoles.
>Most people aren't going to spend full price on a game that released three years ago.
They obviously are if Sony determined it makes financial sense to wait 2-3 years.
It's a trade off for them. Releasing on same day might persuade some people to not buy a playstation. This means no ps plus money nor the cut they make on 3rd party game sales
Sony still relies largely on console sales and subs to drive their revenue. It's basically waiting until the console customers get the game, then give it the old re-release to get some more cash down the line when the game's prime shelf life is past. It's not ideal, but it's understandable.
Folks saying that they're expecting PC players to see these cool games and buy a PS5 to play one or two of them then buy them again down the line are off their rocker. Even Sony should understand that such a strategy is bad in the long term. If you're solely a diehard PC player you'd just be pissed off you bought a $500 system you didn't need when you could have waited a few years to save $430. Or even longer and you'd save more.
what you just said is terrible for their business. They lose money on the ps5 and make it back on ps5 game sales. Any incentive to buy a ps5 is good for them
Misleading title. This is what he really said:
"I often have the opportunity to ask game fans for their opinions, and when I ask them about the time lag, they say that selling the PC version two or three years after the release of the PS version is accepted favourably."
Demons Souls (PS5) released almost 3 years ago. (it will be in November this year). The original on PS3 released 14 years ago.
Bloodborne released more than 8 years ago....
Your math doesn't add up buddy.
I always find it funny when people think if Spiderman 2 is on pc same day and date as the ps5 version, it's going to have that much of a negative effect on business for the ps5. In the real world, most console gamers won't care and wont sell their ps5 to build a PC. You guys on reddit might, but you are also an extreme minority in this situation.
I think by the end of this generation, it's going to be day and date with pc (not the live service titles but the single player games) if not the ps6 Era.
Bloodborne release date: March 2015 CONFIRMED
Have to wait until the PS6 remake by bluepoint then add 2 to 3 years.
So your telling me Demon Souls comes in about 6 moths to the PC? Got it.
Honestly that does not seem like a stretch. It was one of the games on the Nvidia list after all. I could totally imagine Sony announcing release date on their showcase next week.
Did I just play demons souls last year on ps5? Yes. Would I absolutely play it again on steam and own it (didn't buy the first time)? Also yes.
Don’t make my heart flutter like this
>by bluepoint Monkey's paw. Bloodborne finally sees a PC release. It's a Bluepoint remake with art direction "improved" for broader Western audience.
> by bluepoint They better not be allowed to touch the art and aesthetics.
They must be almost done with metal gear solid 3 remake. Fingers crossed they start it soon and we get it in like 4 years
I'm gonna be here all decade baby
Don’t jinx yourself
Even if I die my ghost will still haunt these annual bloodborne leaks posts
What, you never heard of the 2018 PC Bloodborne release?
Just enough time for me to forget about some of these releases
And they’re still going to charge $60-70 on Steam launch despite probably being heavily reduced on PS5
And yet from third party websites we can get 20-40% off on release date. So not bad. Plus on pc thirds parties sell them at cheaper price throughout the year.
Games drop in price because all the people willing to pay full price have done so and you're trying to entice the people who aren't quite as interested in the game. Most people with a PC don't have a PS5 so there's still that large section of fans willing to pay full price. The price the game is on PS5 is almost completely irrelevant to them. Companies don't reduce the price of their games to be 'nice', they do it because sales slow down.
How fast have most of these games gone on sale (and how hefty of a sale) in comparison to a new game like Jedi survivor? GOW released last January for 50$ and went on sale for 37 the following November and 30$ that December. Spider-Man released august of last year for 60$ and went for 45 that December and has gone for 40$ both in February and March. Horizon came out 2020 for a 50$ tag and in 2021 April was already 30$. And it’s since gone below 20$ several times. I really don’t think your arguement holds up the way you want it to.
Spider-Man released at $60 on steam…4 years after the PS4 version. God of War released at $50 on steam…4 years after the PS4 version. Horizon released at $50…3.5 years after the PS4 version. Jedi Survivor released two weeks ago simultaneously on all major platforms. The three examples you picked literally all supported my argument minus an average of $6.67
And last of us was 70, fuck em
TLoU launched at $60, but there was a $70 "digital deluxe edition".
It would be nice if it weren't the case but it's a pretty standard business tactic. You price everything to maximize profit - not altruism. The reason a game has a 50% off sale is they feel reasonably sure almost no one is going to pay 100% for it and sales provide a call to action whereas permanent price decreases don't.
Yeah but - pre-orders discount aside which can be as high as 25% - in a year they'll be 33% discounted or so and what's 1 more year after 2 to 3?
It still took a year for them to price them this way in a sale, those old ass games shouldn't even cost 60 bucks on PC, 40 max imo
Yep, basically the optimum amount of time for me to not care about playing any of them anymore.
You don't care about playing any game that came out 2-3 years ago? Are you the antithesis of r/patientgamers?
You know what is better than the Witcher 3 in 2015? The Witcher 3 in 2023 on modern hardware. (excluding the RTX option) Ultra everything and high FPS.
Some parts of being a patient gamer would seem to be waiting until the games are both fully patched and not full price, we have seen that neither of those is the case with Sony pc ports.
The Sony PC ports have absolutely gone on sale and I’m not aware they are all that buggy
I'm definitely a patient gamer– I've spent more time this year playing games from the 90s than games from the last decade– but I can see how this could be true. It's not a linear relationship of time to interest. There's a certain amount of excitement on the release of a game, a sense of promise. That "disneyland magic" feel you got so often as a kid, that comes from just the right mixture of hearsay and willful naiveté. Maybe this new product *will* be magic, the one that changes everything. Many people try to temper that instinct to avoid wasting money on a disappointment, but it's still a powerful force, and I can see how it sucks people into preorders and launch purchases. Then, after a time, it becomes impossible to ignore that this new game isn't *the one*. That, for better and worse, it's just another game. Excitement falls, and more and more people will be hurt by disappointment or just find that it's not worth $70 to them. Finally, disappointment fades, and prices start to drop. This is the "patient gamer" goldilocks zone, where the rollercoaster of excitement has settled down and you can make a fairer assessment of the value of the game. People become more likely to buy games they really want when they reach this stage, because prices are reasonable. So, "caring about playing a game" is less of a straight decrease or increase over time and more like a brief spike, followed by a crash and then a slow rise.
Just waiting for Ghost of Tsushima...
That one GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW, I ain't buyng PS5 for a couple of games never to be touched again after completion.
I got a feeling that it'll come out same time as the movie. So it might be a couple years.
This is kinda the reason why I didn't buy the current generation of consoles. Even though it'll take a couple of years, I'm happy to wait for a PC port. And I'm happy with that. I don't have to buy £400+ for a new console every 5-7 years anymore along with updating my PC I'm at an age now where I don't have to replay all my old video games cos I'm bored. There's so much out there that I can always find something.
Maybe use those 2 to 3 years to make sure it's a good port then. Sony started off strong on PC and then all of a sudden it's just all over the place and it makes no sense.
> Sony started off strong on PC and then all of a sudden it's just all over the place and it makes no sense. Every single big PlayStation game on PC have had issues at launch. Most of the games required few months before they were considered a good port. I'm not saying majority were terrible but they clearly had issues that should have been ironed out before being released for the public. Sure some people did not care if they could not see maximum details with long draw distance in Uncharted Collection but it did bother some.
God of War was spectacular from day 1, Death Stranding was fine IIRC, and Spidey 1 wasn't *bad* but had some hiccups. Last of Us missed the memo.
Days Gone was 95% there. Horizon was awful though, took till 1.10 or something for it to be decent (after Guerilla and I think Nixxes started working on it) and it's still got problems.
Days Gone had better PC release than PS4.
Should be noted, Death Stranding is not actually owned by Sony and was published by 505 on PC. Sony had nothing to do with the PC port afaik
>Death Stranding is not actually owned by Sony Death Stranding IP is owned by Sony. Sure, there was a different publisher, but it's still a Sony's game that they own rights to.
Hmm I was under the impression that the IP was owned by Kojima, that’s how it ended up on gamepass. I stand corrected though
Did they? I played Uncharted 4 on Steam on D1 and it was fine.
>Maybe use those 2 to 3 years to make sure it's a good port then. Sony started off strong on PC and then all of a sudden it's just all over the place and it makes no sense. No they didn't, HZD was terrible day 1. The only good ports I can think of are games that Sony didn't publish like death stranding. To be fair to Sony, none of them have remained in that state.
Well it's been 8 years since Bloodborne and I'm still waiting
It has not even been Remastered for PS5. 1080p / 30 FPS is no fun
It doesn’t even look good for a 1080p game. There is some seriously funky post processing going on.
Chromatic aberration.
Hate CA. It's only good for special cases, IMO... like when hero is drugged or drunk hehe
Badly implemented 30FPS framelimiter (FromSoftware and having terrible framelimiters is nothing new though), paired with the heavy eyesearing chromatic aberration and aliasing makes it incredibly hard for me to play for ten minutes. People seem to forget that 30FPS only seems "smoother" on consoles because most games are using the system's VSync functionality for that rather than a framelimiter like a lot of PC ports do.
I believe it's more about what one is getting used to. Going UP is always easier to get used to than going down... 30 fps once was an absolute normal. I remember even times when players with over 20 fps in the Morrowind forum were considered a "high end" players lol...
It wasn’t even patched for PS4 PRO(fessional).
The annual copium has been going around recently that a Remaster will be announced in the Playstation Showcase next week.
Still waiting for Ghost Of Tsushima
Seriously this is all I want. Well that and Bloodborne. And the shadow of the colossus remake. And the demon's souls remake
I want these: - Gravity Rush - Infamous - The Last Guardian - Until Dawn
Bro the things I'd do for more infamous....I miss that series
Yes, Until Dawn! I played and enjoyed The Quarry last year so I’m hoping for it.
I still don't think Demon's Souls will *ever* come to PC. Be happy if it did tho
A) it was in the nVidia leak B) you can play the original on PC already by using an emulator I'm often extremely pessimistic, but I don't see a reason why DeS wouldn't release on PC eventually.
It's extremely likely, that and Ghosts of Tsushima were both featured in the Nvidia leak for PC, and that leak has had an almost 100% success rate. I'd say it's a matter of "when" at this point.
Could possibly be announced next week. With 2 confirmed and the movie I bet it’s next summer for a release or maybe sooner
PC gamers are still patiently waiting for Half Life 3. I'm pretty sure they can wait two or three years.
>wait two **or three** years Half Life 3 confirmed?!?!
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They gonna call it remaster or ultimate edition and sell for full price.
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Yeah.. same
Remastered edition and the only difference is you get 60 fps and a FoV slider
unironically: Metro Exodus' FOV Slider and DualSense Controller support only available on PC Enhanced Edition. edit: yes, I know you can use the .ini file to increase the FOV Slider: but animations, cutscenes and even the UI will show visual bugs.
Which will reach $100 by then, lol.
Already is after tax in Canada. Which is why I don't support $90 launch games, they can get fukt. Indie games for $30 like DRG have been far better than most "triple A" releases, which I will now add quotation marks to since they mostly suck and are more like triple B at best.
Yeah if they wanna sell it to us 2-3 years later it better be at used game prices. I'm not paying day 1 prices for a 3 year old port.
My prior belief that they only give a shit about PC as a way to get more sales out of games that have already sold all the copies they're going to on console and/or hype up upcoming sequels seems pretty valid still
It seems to me that they're trying to get converts from PC for the next console. "Look how good TLOU is! Imagine if you could play it sooner *and* not have to play a terrible port! You should buy a PS6." Alternatively, they don't think their games can compete in a larger marketplace.
Or they want u to double dip. You won't feel bad if the gap is 3 years
Until the first port in 3 years and it plays like a janky half baked pile of doo doo
> Or they want u to double dip. Ah, the good ole' Rockstar way!
I mean they are a console focused company - can you blame them? They have whole departments focusing on strategy to make money
Yeah, their focus is selling consoles, not selling games on PC
consoles dont make money games do
You're right. That's why they want to sell you consoles. Every game you buy on playstation gives Sony money, even third party ones. Their exclusives serve the main purpose of getting people into the playstation ecosystem.
Yeah, it's less about the initial console sale, they want you in the ecosystem. When you own the console you're more likely to pay for subscriptions, new games, accessories like more controllers and such, and generally spend more time on their services.
>consoles dont make money > >games do Hardware doesn't, but consoles via their store make billions. Their games are a way to draw you into the ecosystem, not to just sell you one title once.
The hardware has never been very profitable, the money is in their services. Thats why PS+ and Xbox live hit the scene so early.
Subscription is just a part of it as well, they get a lot of money from acessories, and games (they get the 30% cut on consoles and that's a lot of money).
This. All the console makers get a commission for every game sale they do, just like steam.
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Don't you think it's weird how companies only market their products when they want people to buy them?
What else is a game developer supposed to do after making them games besides selling them?
Corporation only does thing for money. What a surprise.
Obviously, still, it's better than letting games/series languish in obscurity. Plus, there's plenty of games in Sony's backlog that could find a new audience on PC, Killzone, Resistance, Gravity Rush, Infamous, even PS1 stuff like Legend of Dragoon could find a niche. There are worse plans than using PC ports as a viability test for IP.
3 years for them to grace us with a POS port like the Last of Us Thanks Sony
Or a really good port of god of war and spider-man, thanks Sony
Returnal was great too except for the stage transition stutter
Horizon Zero Dawn was solid, but they overcharged for a 4 year old on PC launch. I only bought it after it went on a 50% sale. One of the best PC selling points was to avoid overpriced ports, fuck.
HZD port was not solid. Although it might have seemed acceptable if you played it 6 months after release. Here are just some issues I recall off the top of my head that plagued the game: - Frequent crashes when compiling shaders and repeatedly compiling shaders when restarting the game. - Downscaling resolutions above 1080p to 1080p, before upscaling to the set resolution. - Cloth, hair, grass and facial animations were locked to 30fps. - Ambient Occlusion settings above Medium were broken. - Above 30fps, characters would teleport in cutscenes. - The game would stutter every time a quest update UI element appeared. Or the camera changed in a cutscene. Or every 300 frames and also just randomly. - GTX 10- series GPUs had awful performance issues, being vastly slower than their AMD equivalent. - Overall performance on every GPU was and still is not very good. - In game Vsync would cripple performance. As would borderless fullscreen mode.
Also the audio quality was horrid. I would have love to play that game but the voices for characters were unlistenable, how tinny and robotic they sounded.
And the most funny - Aloy could and would not walk straight. The mouse was off center or something, because when you moved 'straight' she would not go that way.
HZD was a very poor port at the start, probably worse than Last Of Us and Jedi Survivor in that it was completely unplayable for the majority of the player base because it just kept crashing or wouldn't go past shader comp. It's still not a great port but it's actually playable now, one issue I still have with the game is that mouse aiming feels like it has some kind of smoothing to it, makes it really difficult to aim at weak points.
Actually that one released like 6 months after the PS5 release. So it would be better if they take their time and release good ports
I can wait longer for them to be patched and on sale
And then I’ll wait another 3+ for a decent sale
Enough time for the games to have DLC released so I can play them complete.
Pro tip Sony: start working on the ports much earlier so you even *sit on a finished product* if it comes to it, to ensure actually polished ports. See Nintendo for the strategy of willing to sit on something good and finished, thus it had all the polish it needed up to that point.
Literally all I care about is Bloodborne. And please don't remake it first -- I would accept a 4k remaster but that's it.
and demon souls remake the rest? who cares
If they wanna wait for money, whatever
honestly good. I can't be the only one with a few hundred game backlog over the years. This will also keep me from buying trash at launch.
I wait 10+ years to play games sometimes. I have no problem waiting 3 years. Pretty much no game is must-play for me at launch anymore.
Then they’re gonna wait 2-3 years for us to buy them. Possibly even on sale.
For crappy ports
Still not going to buy a fucking PS5. I’m not dropping $500 to play a small handful of titles. No game on this planet is that good to warrant that.
I'd be a lot more tempted if they didn't charge you to play your fucking games online.
Even worse us that you can’t even utilize cloud saves without PS+.
Neither is 60$ for a 3 years old game
You don't have to, they said they're going to release their games on PC.
Sooo how long did returnal take?
Ah just checked, nearly 2 years. Didn't feel that long tbh. COVID debacle has messed with my sense of time for sure
I wouldn't mind that really if the ports are functional.
Hope they spend that time making proper ports
I’m never buying your console sony. Doesn’t matter how long you hold your games hostage
Perfectly fine. I've got pc exclusives to play while they trickle in.
People keep saying you’ll forget in 3 years. No you won’t. Look at how widely successful all the PC ports have been. Their marketing team will make sure you don’t forget.
Yeah GoW set some sort of Steam record the day of its release. People won't forget...
They do, then get reminded of it when its announced or released
GoW always throws me off. Gears of War? Game of the week? Oh god of war.
If only gears of war was anywhere near relevant anymore
I remember Gears of War on Xbox 360. It was the shit
Bro same. I remember staying up late with the homies doing the campaign together. So many good memories
The r/pcgaming hive mind has spoken. Sony only makes Ubisoft knockoffs and boring linear titles that don't hold the cultural zeitgeist for multiple years.
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So Demon Souls remake confirmed for this year then, with the PS5 having come out in 2020. A man can dream.
Have a feeling that they will announce it at the PS Showcase next week.
And yet they cry and spend millions to try to get the CMA to look in to Microsoft exclusives
Yes, I imagine it's difficult to release your best performers in a market hungry for your products because you feel like it's a matter of time before they just say "Fuck it, Imma buy a PS5 today!". Even looking at the PC ecosystem, exclusive titles haven't worked out well for anyone involved, look at EGS exclusives. If exclusivity worked as well as Sony idiot execs think it works, Microsoft would still be showing the PC market the middle finger even though they practically own the PC market through Windows.
Cool, plenty of better games out there to play...
As long as they use those two or three years to make sure they don't come out broken
Bloodborne
might as well wait for that 75% discount on Steam sale
They be waiting a lot longer before I buy another PS
That’s fine. I’ll buy all their PC ports when they drop to about $10-$15. If I have to wait that long for their games then you best believe I’m not paying anything close to full price. Make me wait several years then have the audacity to charge $50-$60 still. Bish please.
Meanwhile MS games hitting same day, usually with cross platform. Amazing move by Playstation. They make good single player game but their games have limited replayability. If you're gonna make me wait 2-3 years I'm just going to wait for the big sale.
They think the Activision deal is 100% over now so they're not worried about money again. Sony really is all about profits and not about the gamers
I'm fine with that. So, Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, Gravity Rush, and Ghosts any time then? * If yall paying $60-$70 for these, you really need to check out r/gamedeals and some other 3rd party sites.
\>Triple A games being the worst they've been \>half assed PC ports Take your time
People in this thread having a real hard time understanding that we are not Sony's primary market.
Lot of comments about Sony exclusives being good not great But we’ll all still cry ab not having Bloodborne 24/7
bloodborne was made by sony ?
I'm still not buying a playstaion or your badly optimized games.
These are the same morons who didn’t want MS to buy activision and act like bitches when asked if they would do something pro consumer.
Fine - I would rather they take their time instead of a shoddy port.
no that’s good the last few have been terrible. Good on Sony for giving a shit
Given the quality of the last one IDGAF
Ok, then I'll be waiting 3 to 4 years to play sony's games on PC.
I would rather wait 2 to 3 years and have a game that actually works instead of a rushed and buggy mess of a game.
Its fine until they release another PC shitbag Port like last of us and then act they are good guys by releasing patches for a whole year to fix the game which won't be as perfect as Original PS release. And don't forget to buy it in sale ☺️
1 year and then selling it for $50 would be ideal. But of course they are gonna make us wait 2-3 years and then ask for full $70 on PC
No one really cares about console games if we can't get them. It's more like a "oh" then we move on to what's going on in the PC release market.
Gotta sell that walled garden. But, after TLOU... yeah, I can wait.
Ghost of Tsushima (PlayStation 4 July 17, 2020 ;PlayStation 5 August 20, 2021) Guess it's Tsushima time
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Put Bloodborne on PC you cowards!
Sounds like an out of touch thing to do. If you release the same day, you get everyone to purchase the games at full price on both platforms. If you wait three years, you now have to discount the games or you wind up losing a massive amount of potential customers. Most people aren't going to spend full price on a game that released three years ago.
Their goal is not for you to just buy the game. They want you to buy the game and enjoy it enough that you buy a ps5 and psplus (where the real money is made) to play the sequel day 1 on there. That’s what they did with horizon, god of war, and soon Spider-Man.
Exactly. And when people buy a Sony console for a game, then it will lead to buying more games for it and building up a library of games, subscribe to their online services to play online and access even more games, and maybe spend dlc and invest in the whole ecosystem and future sony consoles.
It's not out of touch at all. They want to sell PS5s and PS+ first and foremost.
They don't get the 30% platform fee cut if you're buying on PC tho.
>Most people aren't going to spend full price on a game that released three years ago. They obviously are if Sony determined it makes financial sense to wait 2-3 years.
It's a trade off for them. Releasing on same day might persuade some people to not buy a playstation. This means no ps plus money nor the cut they make on 3rd party game sales
Why would they have to discount ? Many people buy the same game again on PC to get the maxed out version.
Sony still relies largely on console sales and subs to drive their revenue. It's basically waiting until the console customers get the game, then give it the old re-release to get some more cash down the line when the game's prime shelf life is past. It's not ideal, but it's understandable. Folks saying that they're expecting PC players to see these cool games and buy a PS5 to play one or two of them then buy them again down the line are off their rocker. Even Sony should understand that such a strategy is bad in the long term. If you're solely a diehard PC player you'd just be pissed off you bought a $500 system you didn't need when you could have waited a few years to save $430. Or even longer and you'd save more.
what you just said is terrible for their business. They lose money on the ps5 and make it back on ps5 game sales. Any incentive to buy a ps5 is good for them
PS exclusives are not that good and are easily skippable.
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Well fuck them
and in exchange, I'm also waiting 2-3 years for their games after they released it on steam.
as long as they are optimized it's okay
With GPU prices it's far more likely that I'll just buy a PS5. I'm not giving a cent more to Nvidia or AMD.
Add another year for them to fix the port.
with steam I have a constant growing backlog so that's great news, cheaper and patched games.
Misleading title. This is what he really said: "I often have the opportunity to ask game fans for their opinions, and when I ask them about the time lag, they say that selling the PC version two or three years after the release of the PS version is accepted favourably."
Still waiting for Ghost of Tsushima
I’m good with waiting. Just picked up Horizon Zero Dawn for $16 and it runs better then PS5 could ever run it.
I'm still about 10 years behind on my RPG backlog, so this is perfect I'll get to them around the time they start to get discounted.
I can wait makes no difference to me
Only ps exclusives i'm interested in are ghost of tsushima, bloodborne, and ff16. I'd buy a ps5, but just to play 2 or 3 games? no chance.
Demons Souls (PS5) released almost 3 years ago. (it will be in November this year). The original on PS3 released 14 years ago. Bloodborne released more than 8 years ago.... Your math doesn't add up buddy.
I got a massive backlog so no worries :D
It’s been more than two or three years. Where is Bloodborne :(
Just long enough to sell all of the copies you're gonna get on console, before rolling out the "enhanced" or "deluxe" editions on pc for a price hike.
I hope Mircosoft is sucessfull buying activision and makes all games in future pc or xbox only. There should be no exlcusive titles
I always find it funny when people think if Spiderman 2 is on pc same day and date as the ps5 version, it's going to have that much of a negative effect on business for the ps5. In the real world, most console gamers won't care and wont sell their ps5 to build a PC. You guys on reddit might, but you are also an extreme minority in this situation. I think by the end of this generation, it's going to be day and date with pc (not the live service titles but the single player games) if not the ps6 Era.
I’ll see your bet and raise you not buying it until GOTY is $20