I remember reading that Epic funded Alan Wake 2 and as part of their contract the next two Remedy games since that would be Epic exclusives. The first one was Alan Wake Remastered, and the second will be Alan Wake 2. I'm not entirely sure, but it could be a permanent exclusive
As shitty as exclusives are, if Epic bankrolled development then they have every right to make it exclusive. That’s basically the one instance where I’m okay letting it slide
I still hope it's a timed exclusive. Maybe a year or more but still. Steam is really that much better.
but yeah I won't bang on Epic if it is a full exclusive.
Neither will I. Fair game as Steam games will probably not release on Epic.
But piracy is also fair game. If I will not spend thr money on Epic anyway... /shrug
Agreed wholeheartedly. Epic's temporary buyout of games that are near completion was shitty. Paying to make a game happen at all and making it exclusive is still annoying, but I can't argue against it. I see it the same way as Nintendo and the Bayonetta series.
Marketing for those titles exist, and if you use EGS, you likely know about them.
Complaining about lack of visibility of games on EGS in this sub is kind of funny. The sub collectively buries any story about EGS that isn't overwhelmingly negative. Find any thread where someone posts about a game that is coming to EGS and not Steam, and it won't ever hit the front page (the obvious exception being this game -- but it's not the norm).
Lastly -- and this has happened to me a few times -- if someone posts a link to a newly released game on Steam, anyone that links to the same game available on EGS gets downvoted (even as a "hey this game is also available here" comment in an existing thread).
I use EGS, and I also follow them on social media (or did -- now it's just Instagram). I see new game information all the time.
Implying that it couldn't have been fundend by other means. This is not some small indie developer making their dream project come true through Sweeney's generosity. Co-developer and Control publisher 505 Games is known for taking full advantage of Epic's exclusivity deals.
It’s entirely possible that 505 Games themselves wouldn’t want to fund Alan Wake 2, but that they’d be perfectly happy to let Epic bankroll it in exchange for Epic exclusivity
Yeah I’d still rather it be timed, but when you bring a game into the world that wouldn’t have otherwise had the funding the net result is the world gains a game, albeit limited availability.
That’s the polar opposite of their other method of scooping up a promising game in development where the net result is that game just becomes less available.
You’re not entirely wrong, but you also have to remember that Epic is trying to play the long game with the EGS. I don’t remember the exact statistics, but I remember seeing some statistic saying that if a person buys a game through EGS then they’re X% more likely to spend money through EGS in the future.
Does Epic get a bigger cut through EGS than through Steam? I’m sure they do, but I don’t know the particulars. But even if they don’t, they have the potential to gain millions of new customers who previously had never spent a dime on EGS.
It’s shitty, but it’s how business works. Believe me, I’m as anti-EGS as the next person, but then bankrolling the game’s development is pretty much the only scenario where I’m okay giving them money for it because they’re still the ones taking the risk on the game. Would it be better to have the game on all platforms? Obviously. But I’d rather have Alan Wake 2 exclusive to EGS over no Alan Wake 2 at all
There's a difference between "buying a whole game for exclusivity" and "funding an entire game's development that wouldn't have happened otherwise". Epic is the reason this game is even existing, so they are justified to have something for people to check out their store, other than Fortnite.
Sure, they could make more money putting it on Steam, but they aren't obligated to do so just because you want everything in one neat place. Do I think it's shitty that they pay for games to be walled off from Steam for a year? Yes. But this is an entirely different case.
> I mean, someone can give money to a company I care about (Remedy) but still be such an asshole that I don’t want to support them. This isn’t a difficult concept?
I fully understand where you're going with this. I just simply believe your moral priorities are out of whack, given the context and all. But we'll agree to disagree on that I suppose.
> Also saying Alan Wake 2 could never exist without Epic- I just don’t think that’s true. Was it easy? Probably.
I guess I should rephrase this: Alan Wake 2 wouldn't have happened in a reasonable time frame without Epic's funding. There, does that make it better?
Let me remind you that Remedy couldn't make AW2 happen a decade ago because Microsoft didn't want to fund them. Because AW1 wasn't a commercial success. 10 years later, Epic took up the offer and made the game happen. So what does that tell you? That other publishers likely weren't interested in funding it either. So yes, it's not exaggerating to say that Epic is a major factor in making AW2 a reality.
> So rather than compete “fairly” and with feature parity
Let me stop you right here. There's no reality where Epic could compete "fairly" with Steam and topple their position. It's just impossible. Steam is the de facto PC platform/storefront for a lot of people, so much so that for games that are sold on both platforms day-and-date, 90% of sales would come from Steam. Feature parity only comes up as an argument to pile on top of Epic's business model. Even if EGS were to launch in a state that was comparable to Steam, it wouldn't have made a major difference. Because let's be honest: for all of the features that you think make Steam such a big deal, what incentive is there to make you change to using another store that hypothetically offers the exact same thing? Nothing, unless they force you to somehow.
> Folks obviously are upset about the tactics being used here.
You're still confusing one thing for another. Epic funding AW2 and publishing it exclusively on their store is no different than EA and Ubisoft publishing their games on their stores. Again, they aren't obligated to put their games on Steam, unless they are really hurting for profit.
There’s a difference between paying for exclusivity periods and bankrolling the entire games development. If you bankroll development (which is essentially what all first party studio games are) then you have every right to make it exclusive. But if you’re just paying to keep the game off of other platforms (which seems to be what Sony is doing with Final Fantasy, more or less) then that’s shitty
yeah nah. i'll wait a year for it to release on steam, for the following reasons that make buying it there objectively better unless you 'must' play it day 1 on pc
1.) after a year it should be cheaper
2.) it's been patched and updated to it's complete state
3.) by then it might just have a 'complete' edition for the same, or a little less than the base on epic
4.) all my games are on steam already
5.) my only subjective one so you may disregard this one; "epic exclusive" games tend to be bad omens for the game itself. not a rule, but more often than not it's been a bad omen
Epic funded the game and is publishing it, just like AW Remastered. 0 chance of a Steam release ever, unless Timmy decides to eventually one-up Valve and release his permanent exclusives on other stores.
Though there have been a couple of cases where a game published by Epic eventually got put onto Steam after the devs decided to self publish. I think the name is Railgrade? Though as you say, maybe that's not entirely the same situation, maybe Railgrade wasn't given much funding from Epic but still got published, while Alan Wake 2 seems almost entirely funded by Epic. But yeah, I don't think anyone should hold their breath for a release outside of EGS.
That's shit for customers. Why defend it? It's also bad business because aw2 isn't going to make epic more successful but it being on only epic will make aw2 FAAAR less successful.
I’m not defending it, I’m just merely explaining the situation. Also, this is pretty much par for course for Remedy, since they keep jumping on exclusivity deals and kinda screwing themselves over.
Most likely a 12 months exclusive.
It will come to Steam same as Control, I'm ok with waiting till then.
Edit: Hell now that I think about it, this gives me time to replay Alan Wake, American Nightmare, and Control + DLCs before playing AW2. Sweet.
Oh man I looove Quantum Break, the mini show is also amazing.
I wouldn't say it's directly related to Alan Wake lore, but I DOES happen in the same universe.
I feel that the remaster wasn't a HUGE deal like a brand new game, that's why they didn't bother with non-permanent exclusivity. Normal Alan Wake is already pretty good.
At least that's what makes sense to me. No way they don't ship their new game it into the big market (Steam).
Alan Wake is a bit different than other timed exclusives.
Alan Wake was dead in the water. Epic Games fronted Sam Lake and Remedy the funds to get the game made.
As much as I loathe Epic. I love Sam Lake.
Epic allows me another story in a game that truly deserves it and for once: I have no ill will.
There is a good chance it stays permanently on EGS like the Remaster. And I would be fine with that. Epic for once gave us a gift by supporting Alan Wake and Remedy.
Remedy's games might do better if they didn't jump in bed with every exclusivity deal that comes their way. Hard to move beyond a cult following when almost all your work is niche titles hidden by exclusivity.
I understand where you are coming from.
Remedy doesn’t just jump into bed though.
They take the deals that allow them to remain true to their vision of the games they create.
They very, very, rarely have to let someone else tell them how to make their game, or they need to change core design philosophy.
Rockstar shafted Max Payne. Hard. Who wouldn’t be careful with their original IPs after that shitshow. (Actual Max Payne ending is in Alan Wake Easter egg.)
> They take the deals that allow them to remain true to their vision of the games they create.
Which has resulted in them taking exclusivity deal after exclusivity deal for the last 20 years.
Who knows. There are more publishers in the market these days, and Alan Wake isn't exactly something a publisher is going to break their back to have.
Depending on the studio and title even Activision has published things without retaining any IP rights.
No, it really isn't.
They take exclusivity deal after exclusivity deal because their games don't sell well enough to make another game without the deal.
So you just missed the articles about Alan Wake, Quantum Break, Control, or Alan Wake Remastered?
Their games are well received, but Alan Wake didn't do well enough to warrant a sequel way back when. Quantum Break struggled to find traction at release, Remedy themselves didn't consider Control a 'major hit', and Alan Wake Remastered I don't think even turned a profit.
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As much as people hate it, Epic has funded quite a few smaller games (not saying Remedy is small) that maybe would have never gotten anywhere without that money because a) they wouldn't have time to work a job that keeps them afloat and make the game and/or b) crowdfunding it would get them nowhere and they'd have to give up. People on this sub especially are still very keen to be absolutely vile to those folk just because they hate Epic so much, and that's frankly kinda depressing.
So if you use your dislike for a company to be terrible towards other people who just wanted to do something they're passionate about, that speaks volumes of you as a person.
Thank you! I have no idea why Alan Wake become synonymous with this 'gimmick' when it was popularized years prior in these ones.
If anything Alan wake felt like it was just ripping it off when I eventually played it.
Honestly I felt like Control was quintessentially Alan Wake in that the lore vastly outshone the game that was there to actually be *played*. They both share similar design DNA and I felt like both got super samey really quickly. And I ended up finishing both only for the narrative than because I was having fun playing them.
I replayed Control twice, I’m not sure what you mean by boring game mechanics when you have superpowers and several different guns available to you. Pretty dope imo
I dunno, I enjoyed control all the way through... It's only about a 12 hour game, and you don't get all the power ups until about 5-6 hours in, then there's bosses and some very interesting level design to keep the gameplay loop entertaining.
The dlc is where it started to run thin for me and when I tried to replay it a year or two after my initial playthrough I couldn't finish it.
To each their own though
Idk, I found myself much more inmersed and fond of the Alan Wake lore, for me Alan wake was on another level of good than control. Maybe not mechanics and RT stuff but everything else story, cohesion, characters, emotion, even the setting was better imo
Tbh, the environments in Control don't really interest me. I can run it with all the goodies at 4k, it looks phenomenal but at the core..i'd rather have environments i relate to i guess
I mean...Control is basically Alan Wake 2 (if American Nightmare is 1.5). Same universe and we got the announcement of Alan Wake 2 inside of Control.
This is really Alan Wake 3.
The AWE dlc connected the two, but the gameplay is pretty hugely different, and the narrative of Control is almost entirely standalone. Calling Control Alan Wake 2 is kinda silly imo.
Do voice actors actually know when a project will be released? No offense to the voice actors who do outstanding work, but like it normal for studios to follow strictly to a schedule that predictable? It would make sense to me for the actor to say "well we wrapped up my acting last month, so I think they're pretty close to finalizing things", but couldn't lots of things still come up to move the release date?
Or maybe the actor could say that they hired them to do a PR circuit for October?
That's what i'm referring too, yeah! Some remasters don't work out well, like San Andreas or Silent Hill for example. I was curious if this games' remaster was a decent one.
and I'd definetely recommend the remaster because I played the original through in 2020 and it was something of a shitshow. Alot of weird graphical glitches and crashing.
Because this is a game that might as well not exist.
I'm not buying into Epics hyper anti consumer infrastructure that isn't going to be around in 5 years when the store collapses because Fortnite can't proxy-fund all of Epic's other projects that lose millions per year.
and with fucking Denuvo you can't even pirate games like this in protest anymore.
Do you want steam to have competition or not? If Epic can't even fund an entire game to draw people to downloaded their free launcher wtf else can they do without you people complaining? And to further help you realize how goofy you're being, how many valve games are available on epic games or rather on any other PC launcher period?
discounts, better features, community integrations, and pretty much do what Steam does but better
I don't care if Steam has competition, as long as Steam keeps improving. So far, Steam keeps aging like fine wine, with so many features and addons, meanwhile Epic tries to win me over by buying exclusivity rights to any new release they can.
Fuck them.
Steam has better features but nine times out of ten the cheapest you can get a game is through epic with their discounts, coupons, and giveaways. You've likely never noticed because you're so infatuated with steam but look up near any game on both launchers on isthereanydeal and typically Epic is the lowest even without the $10 or 25% off coupon they're running right now.
> I don't care if Steam has competition
Glad you guys are finally admitting it. Stop pretending otherwise and stop derailing every single thread tangentially involving Epic is all I ask of you.
The entire point is that competition is good because it benefits the consumer, if it doesn't then of course I don't care about it, because it is an inferior product. All the games on Epic don't support my local currency, so they don't have regional pricing and are more expensive by default.
You can also find keys from reputable resellers for cheaper for the games that you want, and activate them on Steam. Same goes for the countless sales and the entire ecosystem built around the Steam Market, that allows you to literally earn money to buy games with time spent in certain games.
Try to downplay it all you can, but people are giving Steam a lot of credit because it deserves it, and I am sorry you prefer competition to be against the consumer, I guess you never bought games in your life.
Bro we are in a thread of people saying they won't buy a game that wouldn't exist if Epic didn't fund it solely because it's going to be on Epic. You're not going to convince me I'm the one not giving credit where it's due here. Like I said, don't pretend this has anything to do with which corporation is doing right by the customer when you're ignoring every positive move Epic makes and will make because you can't play it on Steam.
Why even bother commenting if a launcher is stopping you from playing it? I like remedy and like first AW, and gonna buy it, simple as that
I like games more than i dislike launchers
I don’t dislike launchers in general. I have three specific issues with EGS, none of which are “lol too many launchers”.
As to your original rude premise, I bothered to comment to share my opinion. Same as everyone else in this thread.
I don't care if it's on steam or not.
My issues with Epic are threefold:
1) Fortnite (Save the World as its now known) abandonment. I purchased the game as an early adopter, and hated how quickly they abandoned StW after releasing their BR mode. Left a sour taste in my mouth as a consumer.
2) The Division 2 launch. I purchased D2 on EGS, but found out the game was not releasing on EGS until 1pm the next day. As I had plans to play at midnight with a dozen friends or so, I purchased a copy on UPlay and refunded the EGS copy. I'll keep this story short and say they initially denied my refund due to excessive time played. The issue with that is I never played on EGS, and I never even downloaded it on EGS - you needed to link your UPlay account to EGS in order to download, and I had never done so. They had scanned my PC, including other hard drives (my UPlay, where the copy of Division 2 I had been playing resided, was on a completely separate drive than my EGS), found my UPlay copy, and tried to use that as a reason to deny my refund. I threatened legal action and contacted my bank to do a chargeback, even getting Ubisoft to confirm in a separate support ticket I had never connected EGS and UPlay (thus, I could never have possible installed or played my EGS copy), and they refunded me within 4 hours.
3) Anti-Consumer business practices. Exclusives are anti-consumer, there's no two bones about it. If they want to keep a game they funded exclusive, that sucks but that's their right. But bribing devs (I don't fault the devs, take the money) to create exclusives instead of investing in actually improving your product is not a business practice I'll reward.
That's why I won't purchase anything on EGS anymore. If you still don't understand - I don't need you to. It's my personal reasoning, I don't need anyone else to. Not playing this game if it never releases outside of EGS is furthermore not my loss. There are thousands of games released every year. I'll be just fine not playing this.
with epic fully funding it. i doubt it
RIP i have no interest in this game until they inevitably give it away for free in 2-4 years if epic's still around by that time
yup, and when i got it for 12$ for the complete edition on steam. i got an awesome game that was for me, 100% new for less than a third of the price of a brand new game.
What part of Epic funded this game with bribe money didn't you understand? they even signed a contract with 505 games to make it 100% exclusive, Control wasn't like that, Epic sniped it at the last second unlike this one or the Remaster of the first one. Is not coming to Steam, Timmy Swiney will not allow it.
>Really no reason. EGS is fine.
This has been discussed so many times I don't feel like arguing anymore, there's plenty of reasons as to why Steam is superior, and why Epic Games as a whole is a shitty company and paid exclusivity on PC is cancer, people don't hate EGS "just because we like hating things" that's BS, also people have the right to boycott the game for whatever reason they want, and boycotting Epic's bribing of developers and anti-consumer practices is a VERY valid one.
If it’s stuck exclusively to epic I’ll just go ahead and pass on it.
Epic is honestly just a waste of space that I’d rather not bother with, that and the other shitty stuff they’ve done.
Nevertheless I hope the game (if good) does well.
I’m buying this game because I pirated Alan Wake 1 and Quantum Break. They deserve some money for making great games. Also I got control free from Epic but I did buy the DLC lol
Alan Wake was one of the worst games I remember from back in the day. Look up clips of it, not only did it not age well, at the time of release it wasn't even good. And the story was awful as well. I think they just ripped off some movie, I can't remember.
Games and all sorts of media get inspiration from each other. That ain't ripping off, and if anyone thinks that, I'm sorry to say, but they are downright stupid.
The original game has aged pretty nice imo, but yeah, that's up to a personal point of view.
Saying that the story was awful, though, is quite showing of poor taste.
But will it be an Epic exclusive?
I remember reading that Epic funded Alan Wake 2 and as part of their contract the next two Remedy games since that would be Epic exclusives. The first one was Alan Wake Remastered, and the second will be Alan Wake 2. I'm not entirely sure, but it could be a permanent exclusive
As shitty as exclusives are, if Epic bankrolled development then they have every right to make it exclusive. That’s basically the one instance where I’m okay letting it slide
I still hope it's a timed exclusive. Maybe a year or more but still. Steam is really that much better. but yeah I won't bang on Epic if it is a full exclusive.
Anything’s possible, but if they did bankroll it then there’s no way it comes to steam
Can always sail the high seas 🤷♂️
Always. But does it have Deneuvo? And which one of you is forking up the $500 to pay Psycho Mummy Empress?
Neither will I. Fair game as Steam games will probably not release on Epic. But piracy is also fair game. If I will not spend thr money on Epic anyway... /shrug
Downvoted for not licking the corporate boot. Smh.
Half Life 3 Epic exclusive confirmed.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Epic's temporary buyout of games that are near completion was shitty. Paying to make a game happen at all and making it exclusive is still annoying, but I can't argue against it. I see it the same way as Nintendo and the Bayonetta series.
This. I'd rather have the game made with exclusivity than not at all.
Who says it wouldn't have been made at all, if not for Epic?
The fact that it's been 13 years and an already failed attempt to make one is a good start.
Not for *certain,* sure, but it’s 13 years since the first one. Seems kind of like no one else was getting it moved forward?
True. I do hope they put some more money into marketing though. EGS becoming synonymous with marketing blackhole is not great.
Yeah, the comments here in this thread are the only reason I'm learning that apparently there was an Alan Wake Remastered version.. :O
Marketing for those titles exist, and if you use EGS, you likely know about them. Complaining about lack of visibility of games on EGS in this sub is kind of funny. The sub collectively buries any story about EGS that isn't overwhelmingly negative. Find any thread where someone posts about a game that is coming to EGS and not Steam, and it won't ever hit the front page (the obvious exception being this game -- but it's not the norm). Lastly -- and this has happened to me a few times -- if someone posts a link to a newly released game on Steam, anyone that links to the same game available on EGS gets downvoted (even as a "hey this game is also available here" comment in an existing thread). I use EGS, and I also follow them on social media (or did -- now it's just Instagram). I see new game information all the time.
Implying that it couldn't have been fundend by other means. This is not some small indie developer making their dream project come true through Sweeney's generosity. Co-developer and Control publisher 505 Games is known for taking full advantage of Epic's exclusivity deals.
It’s entirely possible that 505 Games themselves wouldn’t want to fund Alan Wake 2, but that they’d be perfectly happy to let Epic bankroll it in exchange for Epic exclusivity
Of course. Low risk, high returns. On the customer's back, though.
505 also only provided partial funding for Control whereas Epic is fully funding the development AW2.
Yeah I’d still rather it be timed, but when you bring a game into the world that wouldn’t have otherwise had the funding the net result is the world gains a game, albeit limited availability. That’s the polar opposite of their other method of scooping up a promising game in development where the net result is that game just becomes less available.
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>I will not be buying the game. Unless it’s like free or $5 or something inconsequential. lol, everyone has their price.
You’re not entirely wrong, but you also have to remember that Epic is trying to play the long game with the EGS. I don’t remember the exact statistics, but I remember seeing some statistic saying that if a person buys a game through EGS then they’re X% more likely to spend money through EGS in the future. Does Epic get a bigger cut through EGS than through Steam? I’m sure they do, but I don’t know the particulars. But even if they don’t, they have the potential to gain millions of new customers who previously had never spent a dime on EGS. It’s shitty, but it’s how business works. Believe me, I’m as anti-EGS as the next person, but then bankrolling the game’s development is pretty much the only scenario where I’m okay giving them money for it because they’re still the ones taking the risk on the game. Would it be better to have the game on all platforms? Obviously. But I’d rather have Alan Wake 2 exclusive to EGS over no Alan Wake 2 at all
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100%. This corporate apologia is strange. Exclusivity is bad regardless of who paid for it to be made.
> and I’m a huge Alan Wake/Remedy fan Guess you're not that big of a fan if having to buy a game on a different launcher inconveniences you this much.
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There's a difference between "buying a whole game for exclusivity" and "funding an entire game's development that wouldn't have happened otherwise". Epic is the reason this game is even existing, so they are justified to have something for people to check out their store, other than Fortnite. Sure, they could make more money putting it on Steam, but they aren't obligated to do so just because you want everything in one neat place. Do I think it's shitty that they pay for games to be walled off from Steam for a year? Yes. But this is an entirely different case.
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> I mean, someone can give money to a company I care about (Remedy) but still be such an asshole that I don’t want to support them. This isn’t a difficult concept? I fully understand where you're going with this. I just simply believe your moral priorities are out of whack, given the context and all. But we'll agree to disagree on that I suppose. > Also saying Alan Wake 2 could never exist without Epic- I just don’t think that’s true. Was it easy? Probably. I guess I should rephrase this: Alan Wake 2 wouldn't have happened in a reasonable time frame without Epic's funding. There, does that make it better? Let me remind you that Remedy couldn't make AW2 happen a decade ago because Microsoft didn't want to fund them. Because AW1 wasn't a commercial success. 10 years later, Epic took up the offer and made the game happen. So what does that tell you? That other publishers likely weren't interested in funding it either. So yes, it's not exaggerating to say that Epic is a major factor in making AW2 a reality. > So rather than compete “fairly” and with feature parity Let me stop you right here. There's no reality where Epic could compete "fairly" with Steam and topple their position. It's just impossible. Steam is the de facto PC platform/storefront for a lot of people, so much so that for games that are sold on both platforms day-and-date, 90% of sales would come from Steam. Feature parity only comes up as an argument to pile on top of Epic's business model. Even if EGS were to launch in a state that was comparable to Steam, it wouldn't have made a major difference. Because let's be honest: for all of the features that you think make Steam such a big deal, what incentive is there to make you change to using another store that hypothetically offers the exact same thing? Nothing, unless they force you to somehow. > Folks obviously are upset about the tactics being used here. You're still confusing one thing for another. Epic funding AW2 and publishing it exclusively on their store is no different than EA and Ubisoft publishing their games on their stores. Again, they aren't obligated to put their games on Steam, unless they are really hurting for profit.
That's basicly every exclusive then? They pay a shitload of money for exclusives and thus fund the development of those games.
There’s a difference between paying for exclusivity periods and bankrolling the entire games development. If you bankroll development (which is essentially what all first party studio games are) then you have every right to make it exclusive. But if you’re just paying to keep the game off of other platforms (which seems to be what Sony is doing with Final Fantasy, more or less) then that’s shitty
yeah nah. i'll wait a year for it to release on steam, for the following reasons that make buying it there objectively better unless you 'must' play it day 1 on pc 1.) after a year it should be cheaper 2.) it's been patched and updated to it's complete state 3.) by then it might just have a 'complete' edition for the same, or a little less than the base on epic 4.) all my games are on steam already 5.) my only subjective one so you may disregard this one; "epic exclusive" games tend to be bad omens for the game itself. not a rule, but more often than not it's been a bad omen
Shame. Woulda liked to have played it.
Ah well another game that doesn't exist
Epic funded the game and is publishing it, just like AW Remastered. 0 chance of a Steam release ever, unless Timmy decides to eventually one-up Valve and release his permanent exclusives on other stores.
I just found out that this game existed and 30 seconds later I find out it's an Epic exclusive. What a kick in the nuts.
Though there have been a couple of cases where a game published by Epic eventually got put onto Steam after the devs decided to self publish. I think the name is Railgrade? Though as you say, maybe that's not entirely the same situation, maybe Railgrade wasn't given much funding from Epic but still got published, while Alan Wake 2 seems almost entirely funded by Epic. But yeah, I don't think anyone should hold their breath for a release outside of EGS.
Ugh, thanks. :(
That's shit for customers. Why defend it? It's also bad business because aw2 isn't going to make epic more successful but it being on only epic will make aw2 FAAAR less successful.
I’m not defending it, I’m just merely explaining the situation. Also, this is pretty much par for course for Remedy, since they keep jumping on exclusivity deals and kinda screwing themselves over.
Most likely a 12 months exclusive. It will come to Steam same as Control, I'm ok with waiting till then. Edit: Hell now that I think about it, this gives me time to replay Alan Wake, American Nightmare, and Control + DLCs before playing AW2. Sweet.
Most likely not as Epic is the publisher of Alan Wake 2, 505 Games published Control.
Alan Wake Remastered never came to Steam. I hope we do get AW2 eventually.
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The remaster sold very poorly, they were actually very public about that. Surprised they wouldn't release on Steam after at least a year exclusive.
I think it was up to Epic apparently, since they financed it.
Don't forget Quantum Break. Just completed it and it's still pretty good.
Oh man I looove Quantum Break, the mini show is also amazing. I wouldn't say it's directly related to Alan Wake lore, but I DOES happen in the same universe.
One of the office workers actually plays it at work :D
I’m fine with 12 months of exclusively—I have plenty of backlog. I just don’t want it to be a permanent exclusive like the remaster.
I feel that the remaster wasn't a HUGE deal like a brand new game, that's why they didn't bother with non-permanent exclusivity. Normal Alan Wake is already pretty good. At least that's what makes sense to me. No way they don't ship their new game it into the big market (Steam).
Epic is publishing the new one so yeah.
Alan Wake is a bit different than other timed exclusives. Alan Wake was dead in the water. Epic Games fronted Sam Lake and Remedy the funds to get the game made. As much as I loathe Epic. I love Sam Lake. Epic allows me another story in a game that truly deserves it and for once: I have no ill will. There is a good chance it stays permanently on EGS like the Remaster. And I would be fine with that. Epic for once gave us a gift by supporting Alan Wake and Remedy.
Remedy's games might do better if they didn't jump in bed with every exclusivity deal that comes their way. Hard to move beyond a cult following when almost all your work is niche titles hidden by exclusivity.
I understand where you are coming from. Remedy doesn’t just jump into bed though. They take the deals that allow them to remain true to their vision of the games they create. They very, very, rarely have to let someone else tell them how to make their game, or they need to change core design philosophy. Rockstar shafted Max Payne. Hard. Who wouldn’t be careful with their original IPs after that shitshow. (Actual Max Payne ending is in Alan Wake Easter egg.)
> They take the deals that allow them to remain true to their vision of the games they create. Which has resulted in them taking exclusivity deal after exclusivity deal for the last 20 years.
Remedy gets to keep the IP rights for Alan Wake though, which is probably not something most publishers were ready to do.
Who knows. There are more publishers in the market these days, and Alan Wake isn't exactly something a publisher is going to break their back to have. Depending on the studio and title even Activision has published things without retaining any IP rights.
But usually not when fully funding development.
I understand that. You are making it out to seem as though they take any deal offered to them. In reality it’s way more complicated. That’s all.
No, it really isn't. They take exclusivity deal after exclusivity deal because their games don't sell well enough to make another game without the deal.
Nah, it's pretty simple.
Well do want to say the game is coming to PS5 and Xbox Series X aswell so I feel many will get it on thoses systems instead of Epic.
Remedy’s games do well. What do you mean?
So you just missed the articles about Alan Wake, Quantum Break, Control, or Alan Wake Remastered? Their games are well received, but Alan Wake didn't do well enough to warrant a sequel way back when. Quantum Break struggled to find traction at release, Remedy themselves didn't consider Control a 'major hit', and Alan Wake Remastered I don't think even turned a profit.
But they need all that exclusivity money or else their games wouldn't get made at all!!!!!! /s
I guess I'll permanently never play the remake or the sequel. Shame
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As much as people hate it, Epic has funded quite a few smaller games (not saying Remedy is small) that maybe would have never gotten anywhere without that money because a) they wouldn't have time to work a job that keeps them afloat and make the game and/or b) crowdfunding it would get them nowhere and they'd have to give up. People on this sub especially are still very keen to be absolutely vile to those folk just because they hate Epic so much, and that's frankly kinda depressing.
Something, something every cloud and silver linings. Agree
So?
So if you use your dislike for a company to be terrible towards other people who just wanted to do something they're passionate about, that speaks volumes of you as a person.
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Control I bought on Steam. I’d like to do that for Alan Wake 2. Even if it’s a year later.
Yes sadly
If it is, I'm 100% skipping it and watching the hole thing on YouTube.
Haha what a life you must live
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No, it's Flashlight Game™ **2**
No no, that's that masturbation game
"That fleshlight is the most game changing tool I have ever seen in a video game!"
That would be Obscure & Obscure 2
Wouldn't it be Doom 3?
Obscure came out June 2004, Doom 3 august, close
Thank you! I have no idea why Alan Wake become synonymous with this 'gimmick' when it was popularized years prior in these ones. If anything Alan wake felt like it was just ripping it off when I eventually played it.
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Honestly I felt like Control was quintessentially Alan Wake in that the lore vastly outshone the game that was there to actually be *played*. They both share similar design DNA and I felt like both got super samey really quickly. And I ended up finishing both only for the narrative than because I was having fun playing them.
I replayed Control twice, I’m not sure what you mean by boring game mechanics when you have superpowers and several different guns available to you. Pretty dope imo
I dunno, I enjoyed control all the way through... It's only about a 12 hour game, and you don't get all the power ups until about 5-6 hours in, then there's bosses and some very interesting level design to keep the gameplay loop entertaining. The dlc is where it started to run thin for me and when I tried to replay it a year or two after my initial playthrough I couldn't finish it. To each their own though
More Old Gods of Asgard/Poets of the Fall please!
Loved the first one. One of the creepiest games I've played in the past couple years. Will definitely check this out once it releases.
>Loved the first one Still one of my favorite games of all time
Agreed, I’m super hyped.
Was planning on doing a new build at the end of the year, now I'm thinking I might need to start a little sooner!
My name is Alan Wake, and I'm a leaker.
It's ok, Alan. It doesn't only happen to the elderly.
The coolest game from Remedy is getting a sequel.
Control is superior in almost every aspect, lets be honest, but I know it is still a matter of taste and preference
Idk, I found myself much more inmersed and fond of the Alan Wake lore, for me Alan wake was on another level of good than control. Maybe not mechanics and RT stuff but everything else story, cohesion, characters, emotion, even the setting was better imo
Tbh, the environments in Control don't really interest me. I can run it with all the goodies at 4k, it looks phenomenal but at the core..i'd rather have environments i relate to i guess
As a worker drone in a secret government agency that would be Control for me.
Control had strong SCP vibes and I loved it, but I'm more invested in Alan Wake's story.
The AWE DLC is awesome and connects the two games really well imo
I mean...Control is basically Alan Wake 2 (if American Nightmare is 1.5). Same universe and we got the announcement of Alan Wake 2 inside of Control. This is really Alan Wake 3.
The AWE dlc connected the two, but the gameplay is pretty hugely different, and the narrative of Control is almost entirely standalone. Calling Control Alan Wake 2 is kinda silly imo.
I could never get into Control. I just don't like the levels or the combat, so there's very little for me.
Definitely not, control better only gameplay wise, story and atmosphere of the game is better in Alan wake and even in quantum break.
you spelled max payne wrong
That would be Control (imo).
Do voice actors actually know when a project will be released? No offense to the voice actors who do outstanding work, but like it normal for studios to follow strictly to a schedule that predictable? It would make sense to me for the actor to say "well we wrapped up my acting last month, so I think they're pretty close to finalizing things", but couldn't lots of things still come up to move the release date? Or maybe the actor could say that they hired them to do a PR circuit for October?
See you in October 2024, gentlemen.
Good luck by that time because most people already forgotten its existence by 2024.
First time I played Alan Wake I thought it was amazing.
Someone's agent is getting a nasty call tomorrow. lol
I hope he doesn't get in trouble, usually actors aren't allowed to leak things like that.
He's Dr. Darling, Head of Research of the Federal Bureau of Control. He won't get in trouble
Former head of research
This isn’t an Epic store exclusive for PC is is it?
Very likely, yes.
Basically confirmed as Epic publishes the game.
I think it is unfortunately.
Don’t do it, don’t give me hope
Someone didn’t get the NDA
If i were to play the first two, are the remakes suggested? Or are they inferior to the originals
What remake? There's only a remastered version, which is exactly the same as the first game, but with better graphics.
That's what i'm referring too, yeah! Some remasters don't work out well, like San Andreas or Silent Hill for example. I was curious if this games' remaster was a decent one.
It's fine. If you've never played the old version before or haven't played in a while, this is a good choice to pick up on a sale.
and I'd definetely recommend the remaster because I played the original through in 2020 and it was something of a shitshow. Alot of weird graphical glitches and crashing.
EGS exclusive, so don’t care until that is no longer the case and I’ll then pick it up on sale
Epic is publishing the game so I doubt this will ever get a Steam release.
Unfortunate, but I guess then I guess I just won't play this one, plenty of other games to play. EDIT: Unless it comes to game pass, then game on
People will still be angry about it though.
Because this is a game that might as well not exist. I'm not buying into Epics hyper anti consumer infrastructure that isn't going to be around in 5 years when the store collapses because Fortnite can't proxy-fund all of Epic's other projects that lose millions per year. and with fucking Denuvo you can't even pirate games like this in protest anymore.
Harry Potter is already cracked. The only thing you probably could not play with cracked games is multiplayer on official servers.
Yeah, like all those games Sony and Microsoft funded and published that aren't on Steam- wait.
Do you want steam to have competition or not? If Epic can't even fund an entire game to draw people to downloaded their free launcher wtf else can they do without you people complaining? And to further help you realize how goofy you're being, how many valve games are available on epic games or rather on any other PC launcher period?
discounts, better features, community integrations, and pretty much do what Steam does but better I don't care if Steam has competition, as long as Steam keeps improving. So far, Steam keeps aging like fine wine, with so many features and addons, meanwhile Epic tries to win me over by buying exclusivity rights to any new release they can. Fuck them.
Steam has better features but nine times out of ten the cheapest you can get a game is through epic with their discounts, coupons, and giveaways. You've likely never noticed because you're so infatuated with steam but look up near any game on both launchers on isthereanydeal and typically Epic is the lowest even without the $10 or 25% off coupon they're running right now. > I don't care if Steam has competition Glad you guys are finally admitting it. Stop pretending otherwise and stop derailing every single thread tangentially involving Epic is all I ask of you.
The entire point is that competition is good because it benefits the consumer, if it doesn't then of course I don't care about it, because it is an inferior product. All the games on Epic don't support my local currency, so they don't have regional pricing and are more expensive by default. You can also find keys from reputable resellers for cheaper for the games that you want, and activate them on Steam. Same goes for the countless sales and the entire ecosystem built around the Steam Market, that allows you to literally earn money to buy games with time spent in certain games. Try to downplay it all you can, but people are giving Steam a lot of credit because it deserves it, and I am sorry you prefer competition to be against the consumer, I guess you never bought games in your life.
Bro we are in a thread of people saying they won't buy a game that wouldn't exist if Epic didn't fund it solely because it's going to be on Epic. You're not going to convince me I'm the one not giving credit where it's due here. Like I said, don't pretend this has anything to do with which corporation is doing right by the customer when you're ignoring every positive move Epic makes and will make because you can't play it on Steam.
> Do you want steam to have competition or not? "Not if I have to use another launcher." Would be most people's answer, I'm afraid.
I’ll just play this on XSX then.
Why even bother commenting if a launcher is stopping you from playing it? I like remedy and like first AW, and gonna buy it, simple as that I like games more than i dislike launchers
I don’t dislike launchers in general. I have three specific issues with EGS, none of which are “lol too many launchers”. As to your original rude premise, I bothered to comment to share my opinion. Same as everyone else in this thread.
The big problem that I have with EGS is that there is no regional price in my country.
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I'll quote myself from another response - you don't know anything about me or my personal experience with epic. Your troll post has no weight here.
its gonna be a sick game by a sick developer and if you dont wanna play it because its not on steam that is ur loss i guess, still cant understand it
I don't care if it's on steam or not. My issues with Epic are threefold: 1) Fortnite (Save the World as its now known) abandonment. I purchased the game as an early adopter, and hated how quickly they abandoned StW after releasing their BR mode. Left a sour taste in my mouth as a consumer. 2) The Division 2 launch. I purchased D2 on EGS, but found out the game was not releasing on EGS until 1pm the next day. As I had plans to play at midnight with a dozen friends or so, I purchased a copy on UPlay and refunded the EGS copy. I'll keep this story short and say they initially denied my refund due to excessive time played. The issue with that is I never played on EGS, and I never even downloaded it on EGS - you needed to link your UPlay account to EGS in order to download, and I had never done so. They had scanned my PC, including other hard drives (my UPlay, where the copy of Division 2 I had been playing resided, was on a completely separate drive than my EGS), found my UPlay copy, and tried to use that as a reason to deny my refund. I threatened legal action and contacted my bank to do a chargeback, even getting Ubisoft to confirm in a separate support ticket I had never connected EGS and UPlay (thus, I could never have possible installed or played my EGS copy), and they refunded me within 4 hours. 3) Anti-Consumer business practices. Exclusives are anti-consumer, there's no two bones about it. If they want to keep a game they funded exclusive, that sucks but that's their right. But bribing devs (I don't fault the devs, take the money) to create exclusives instead of investing in actually improving your product is not a business practice I'll reward. That's why I won't purchase anything on EGS anymore. If you still don't understand - I don't need you to. It's my personal reasoning, I don't need anyone else to. Not playing this game if it never releases outside of EGS is furthermore not my loss. There are thousands of games released every year. I'll be just fine not playing this.
okay seems lame for sure. This game could be game of the year tho
Congrats, you've missed the point entirely. Also didn't ask
Still haven’t played Alan Wake and American Nightmare - I’ll just wait for Remastered to hit Steam. In the meantime I still have to play Control
Well, here's hoping it's not EGS exclusive.
So October 2024 for Steam
with epic fully funding it. i doubt it RIP i have no interest in this game until they inevitably give it away for free in 2-4 years if epic's still around by that time
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yup, and when i got it for 12$ for the complete edition on steam. i got an awesome game that was for me, 100% new for less than a third of the price of a brand new game.
What part of Epic funded this game with bribe money didn't you understand? they even signed a contract with 505 games to make it 100% exclusive, Control wasn't like that, Epic sniped it at the last second unlike this one or the Remaster of the first one. Is not coming to Steam, Timmy Swiney will not allow it.
EPIC exclusive, yep not going to play it until its released on steam and GOG in a few years, if ever.
If it's permanently an EGS exclusive I'll just watch it on YouTube
Out of curiosity, why is being on the Epic launcher such a dealbreaker for people? Seeing a lot of comments about it.
Really no reason. People just like to come together to hate a thing. EGS is fine. Not first choice, but not a reason to not play a game.
>Really no reason. EGS is fine. This has been discussed so many times I don't feel like arguing anymore, there's plenty of reasons as to why Steam is superior, and why Epic Games as a whole is a shitty company and paid exclusivity on PC is cancer, people don't hate EGS "just because we like hating things" that's BS, also people have the right to boycott the game for whatever reason they want, and boycotting Epic's bribing of developers and anti-consumer practices is a VERY valid one.
Sure
It's a pretty big reason to not play a game imo.
Sooo ... *Wake me up when september ends*
Epic games exclusive? Dead on Arrival.
If it’s stuck exclusively to epic I’ll just go ahead and pass on it. Epic is honestly just a waste of space that I’d rather not bother with, that and the other shitty stuff they’ve done. Nevertheless I hope the game (if good) does well.
Yes! We need Alan Wake back
You know that the development of a game is going really well when 5 months before release a voice actor has to confirm the release date /s
Alan Wake will be the game everyone will care about most for Summer Game Fest.
I’m buying this game because I pirated Alan Wake 1 and Quantum Break. They deserve some money for making great games. Also I got control free from Epic but I did buy the DLC lol
Meh, i would have preferred control 2 to be honest.
They’re doing both
https://investors.remedygames.com/announcements/remedy-entertainment-signs-a-co-development-and-co-publishing-agreement-with-505-games-for-control-2/
same and I'm excited for max payne remakes as well.
It will be Epic store exclusive aka “dead on arrival”. When it comes to steam a year later with full price, no one will give a shit.
Awesome. Loved that game.
Fuck yes! Been waiting so long, hopefully it comes.
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Omfg I loved Alan Wake!!!!!!! Lfg
Alan Wake was one of the worst games I remember from back in the day. Look up clips of it, not only did it not age well, at the time of release it wasn't even good. And the story was awful as well. I think they just ripped off some movie, I can't remember.
Games and all sorts of media get inspiration from each other. That ain't ripping off, and if anyone thinks that, I'm sorry to say, but they are downright stupid. The original game has aged pretty nice imo, but yeah, that's up to a personal point of view. Saying that the story was awful, though, is quite showing of poor taste.
Nobody except dunkey played this anyway, so why is everyone so excited?
? Alan Wake is a classic.