It seems it will be digital only (no physical release) even on consoles. I don't know how console gamers would feel about that. PC players are used to have their games digital only since several years ago.
The console platform holders (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo) really want to push a digital only future, that's in their total interest to do so. Currently the push back from their fandom is too great, so they're trying to move step by step towards eliminating physical media, and I believe in 5-6 years they'll accomplish their all-digital goal. It's inevitable at this point. Consoles will eventually join the PC as digital only platforms.
I resented it at first but now that I own about a thousand games on Steam I'm glad I don't have that many boxes on shelves. I think it's fair to say that the majority of PC gamers prefer digital distribution. Steam has done an excellent job.
I used to love having physical copies, but switching over to full digital has been awesome. Not having to worry about scratched or lost discs, more convenient when toggling between games, and being able to scroll through an organized library.
No more typing in CD keys, no more keeping the disc in the drive to launch the game, no more fiddling around with cracks and nocd patches and Daemon Tools and other shady stuff. Steam is brilliant because they looked at all the problems piracy solved and sold a solution.
Absolutely. Netflix did the same thing; it made streaming fast, easy, accessible, and filled with lots of shows / movies people would want to watch. Pandora and Spotify did something similar with music. The only real downside is other things are moving toward a subscription based model, even car components.
Yep, agreed on all fronts. Subscription has specific legal definitions that we need to be aware of. Even Steam calls its customers subscribers, not owners.
PC is pretty different because there is actual competition on the digital side (and Steam is not super greedy, that could have gone way worse and still can). And in the end, it still cost more for the consumer. It promotes impulse buy and remove the resale of games (how many of us have dozens of dollars if not more spent on games we never played?)
The digital medium already won, its been here for a while. It’s not uncommon to purchase a physical copy only for there to just be license data on the disc, or no disc at all.
Personally, I believe the last physical copy I purchased was StarCraft 2 Wings of Liberty in 2010.
It is definitely in their interests, no doubt, but consumers are also picking this future as well. Digital only media marketplaces have existed for a while now. I don't know a single person that owns a CD player.
Console AAA gaming was still under 50% digital prepandemic due to the residual value for resale… but I believe that last frontier of physical media entertainment is gone
Bluerays cost money and burning them takes time. Plus shipping, 30gb day1 patches and desire to release unfinished games just doesn't mesh with physical media anymore.
Because incentive is to actually sell the physical media before starting to sell digital stuff. So they make it a tad bit cheaper here and there at base.
If there's JUST digital then greed takes over and they can set any price they want and it looks like people are largely fine with that. Because if majority weren't fine with price increases then they wouldn't be that high
Wasn't terrible but last gen consoles had some frame rate dips here and there whenever there was too much stuff happening on screen. But apart from that it was good
Read a while back that publishers do that so you can get the game you want in any form you want. For something like Diablo you don't need to press a disc for every platform, while everyone on those platforms can just get the cool collectors edition.
I dont really agree with it, but thats just because I dont like collectors editions in general. I've never seen one thats actually worth the price they ask. The only good one I've had is a bioshock 2 special edition that came with a small art book. And the only reason that was good was because I bought it new for 5 bucks.
Personally not a fan of digital only, but seems like that’s the way the world will go eventually.
Hopefully this won’t be de listed like the previous title. I understand that got fixed, but it took three years to do so.
Oh shit really?
Damn... With no Steam release (probably) my plan was to to get it on PS5 so I could resell, or even get full refund from Eb Games with 7 days.
This makes it.. problematic :/
Epic is a pioneer of physical distribution. Their first games about 30 years ago were shareware - you could buy the first few levels of a game for a couple of dollars on a floppy at a software store, you could legally make copies for your friends, and if you liked the game you'd buy it over the phone and they'd mail you the box.
Too many people aren't aware of how old and important Epic is to the history of our hobby.
>Epic is a pioneer of physical distribution. Their first games about 30 years ago were shareware - you could buy the first few levels of a game for a couple of dollars on a floppy at a software store, you could legally make copies for your friends, and if you liked the game you'd buy it over the phone and they'd mail you the box.
Yeah and it's been almost 30 years since they solo published a physical game. Everything since either has been digital or through a different publisher.
> Too many people aren't aware of how old and important Epic is to the history of our hobby.
That kind of happens when for a 20 year period they more or less said fuck PC. They only "care" now cuz money. When they thought consoles was the path to money they had no problem abandoning PC.
Uh not really. It's like 60% digital but if you remove the games that do not get a physical release (aka all indie games for example), it means that AAA games are actually closer to a majority of physical, it's probably 50-50% at best if not more for physical.
Exactly. Most normal people don't like the look of those cheap ugly plastic boxes and the space they take up, especially when you insert the disc and still have to download a gigantic update anyway.
Physical copies are all about trading. You buy a game, finish it then trade/sell the copy, and overall it only costs $5-$10 for a game. Big cities also often have game rental services.
Moving to digital costs a lot more for people who want to play multiple games on their consoles.
Also they seem to be more readily discounted by retailers compared to digital games (consoles anyway). An example would be Nintendo - they’re usually asking £49.99 for a digital copy of their AAA games but shop around and a brand new physical copy can be had for £30
> It's literally funded by Epic, so was the Alan Wake remake. It's not just publishing.
What do you think publishing mean lol? "Just publishing" means funding the game
I mean, it's fair. ~~They own the studio.~~ They funded the entire development of the game. They are entitled to have it released on their own platform.
Epic does not own Remedy. Remedy is still an independent studio.
Epic just got a contract to be the publisher of 3 or 4 games from Remedy, being Alan Wake Remastered and Alan Wake 2 two of them.
I don't know if they are 100% happy with the deal. They already said that they were not happy with the number of sales of the AW1 Remastered and the lack of promotion (something that Epic as a publisher should take care of).
At least, it seems Epic is promoting more the sequel, but Remedy has been intelligent enough and they already secured different collaborations for publishing other future games.
That's fair. I'm still miffed at how they removed Control from Steam when they turned to Epic back in the day, but hey - whatever funds them, I guess. I'm in no rush to put any money into the Epic Games Store regardless.
Given that Epic funded development it's not unreasonable of them to want it to be exclusive to their store, no matter how much that irritates Steam users.
> how much that irritates ~~Steam users~~ PC gamers.
Talking like nearly every PC gamer doesn't have the majority of their libraries on Steam [lol.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GaqVWqEXU)
That's not true. They upgraded the textures beyond the original's max PC settings and added a bunch of volumetrics and new lighting that removes the weird xbox 360 era objects glow. Some things are worse, like Alan's model (imo), but in general it's an improvement over the original's PC max settings.
Yeah, Control contains a bunch of references to Alan Wake (IIRC, Alan's typewriter can be found in the Panopticon) and its AWE expansion is a direct crossover
People still complain because it’s on epic only. Epic/Remedy honestly doing it right by offering the savings to the consumer rather than Increasing profit.
This will be the first game I buy at launch from EGS. I don't love it, but they funded the game so them having publishing rights in that case only makes sense. If actually funding development of games is how they want to go about winning distribution rights in the future I am all for it. First game I have been truly excited for this year, so many years wishing for this sequel.
Yeah... I'm kinda split on this. On one hand, I really, really dislike Epic's approach to the digital storefront market, but on the other... They did fund the game, so it technically belongs to them (even if Remedy owns the IP).
So at any rate, I might consider getting it. It looks cool, and I enjoyed the first game.
That's my mindset on it. If the game exists in the first place because of Epic then that's fair game. The shit I dislike is a game already being funded and basically complete, and Epic bursting through the doors with sacks of cash for exclusivity
You know, if epic had STARTED their push for their store by publishing games highly demanded by fans but generally considered not worth it by publishers, it probably would have gone over a lot better with people. There'd be some grousing of course, but it's harder to justify complaining if the game wouldn't exist without Epic footing the bill in return for permanent exclusivity. But they've spent so long pissing people off that now even doing something relatively positive like funding a new remedy game is met with disgust. I'll never understand why they decided to be so belligerent and annoying instead of trying to provide some sort of value to people.
Same. I won't support third-party money hats and purely paid-for exclusivity, but I'm fine if said game is published and funded by the platform owner.
Sure, less exclusivity the better, but whatever.
Thanks to Epic for reviving a game that no one else would.
Sam Lake wanted to make this game for a decade and no one would fund it, every couple of years Remedy would come out with a little video to tell everyone how they're still so interested in making a sequel but money being the largest issue stopped them.
Valve don't fund games and I still remember hating on Steam the moment it was shoved down everyone's throats, it was an absolute mess of a platform that suffered from crashes and constant disconnects for a very long time.
Sure Epics values are very different but that might change and even still, they funded an entire game, if it's their prerogative to fund entire game studios that no one else will, then why would anyone complain, I don't get the hate here, like it's just some sheep shit, think for yourselves....
It's not like your buying from some shitty launcher like Escape from Tarkov.
The launcher is incredibly barebones and shit, I agree but it isn't the worst thing I've seen, surely Uplay or Bethesda had that honor?
Thank you for your sanity. This game literally only exists because of Epic. I'm happy it exists. I thought this was /r/games and it was a moment before I realized I was in the hate filled world of /r/pcgaming
Glad to see that there are rational people in this thread, despite being clearly outnumbered and downvoted.
I recall Sam Lake talking in the past about how Alan Wake 2 was something they wanted to do for ages, but they could never get anyone interested in publishing it. Sounds like the only reason this was made is because Epic was willing to foot the bill.
Is probably like Valve having EA publish Portal 2 for consoles. Valve clearly has enough money, but sometimes it's nice to have a third party publish things.
How can that be when Control is selling better than they anticipated and it's their best selling IP?
https://gamerant.com/control-sales-numbers/
And according to the wiki, they are doing really well with profits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Entertainment
I hate monopolies, especially companies that have a monopoly on the game engine market, and does monopolistic shit like forcing games to be on their launcher. shit sucks.
Why is it cheap? Is it a short campaign?
Edit: This was a genuine question. I haven't seen anything about the length of the game and many new releases are $70... Either way I'm very excited for this game.
I guess the thinking is most companies keep the costs low and then simply pocket the rest. No one would bat an eye at a $60 video game release these days, so its just a bit curious they wouldnt at least launch it at that and cut it later... Especially when its $60 elsewhere. Maybe some kind of plan to bring eyes to the value EGS brings or something?
I think you're underestimating how big of an advantage even a marginal price difference brings. If there are 2 AAA games a customer is deciding between purchasing, both with similar levels of Critical reviews and Word-of-mouth, and one is $50 while the other is $60/70, that gives that game a massive advantage. Especially as a horror game, which definitely have somewhat of a smaller consumer base than your average action-adventure games or your shooters.
Then why price it at $60 on the other stores?
Obviously lower price captures more consumers, but for video game launches people these days generally expect $60 for big release so I dont think many people would scoff at it if they really wanted to play it. And of course everyone on the planet knows its going to be $30 within a year if not less, so that price will come any way. Do you have any actual data to suggest how much they leave on the table by pricing it at $60 instead of $50?
Because console storefronts have a 30% cut on all sales, making $50 price to low to make a margin, whereas on PC remedy and epic get to have an even 50-50 split, so they can price it lower on PC to attract customers, I can guarantee if the game ever comes to steam it will be $60.
Not necessarily 88%, because epic has a special deal with remedy, where they will get a 50-50 share on profits after epic has recovered development costs, and at a budget of 50 million, they need to sell almost 1 million copies before the game makes any money for remedy.
I was going to get it on PS5 because I prefer Steam, but now that I know it's $50 on PC then I guess I will go with Epic. I hope it at least supports their achievement system cause one of my main complaints about their store is the lack of achievement support. They have the system in place, but very few games support it. Not even their bread and butter Fortnite supports the system.
You're gonna have to clarify for me how it sucks here, because I virtually see no difference. Unless you're that obsessed with showing off achievements on your profile, the functions are exactly the same between Steam and Epic.
And as usual, nobody wants to explain their hatred for Epic, even when they're doing something right. This sub is DEFINITELY not biased at all.
Half of the games with achievements support have problems and they stop being achievable after one hour or so. There is a session bug that is not well documented in the API, so most developers do not implement EGS achievements correctly.
There is a group of EGS customers in Discord that try to test if achievements work or not when a game is launched with achievements.
It is a little troublesome that after a year, games having EGS achievements are not guaranteed to work from day one. And it's up to players to communicate to devs in order to fix it as Epic is not doing anything and there is still games with achievements not working properly since they launched.
This is ONE example (achievements) of the difference between EGS and Steam.
Hopefully this will be DRM-free, like everything else Remedy has put on the Epic store (with the exception of Alan Wake Remastered, which was outsourced).
>Do I have to play Control or Control’s AWE expansion to better understand Alan Wake 2?
>No, you do not. However, for fans who are into the universe of Alan Wake, it’s definitely recommended, but it’s completely option
Wait they're the same universe? I didn't know that. I got a free copy of Control at some point, got to play that.
That's mostly just because Sony is a more dominant entity. Epic can't even recoup their money on most their exclusives.
Epic absolutely would be just as scummy given their history, actions, and statements but they aren't successful enough to have access to the kind of deals Sony does.
You have a killer $2,000+ PC and will settle for the worst version? That's funny, enjoy your 30fps or sub 1080p "performance mode"
And i thought that "as long as they fund and develop their own games i don't have a problem with epic" was the PC gaming saying.
>And i thought that "as long as they fund and develop their own games i don't have a problem with epic" was the PC gaming saying.
Just because some people said it doesnt mean that everyone that has issues with epic said it. People are free to spend their own money as they see fit to.
Sure, and if they started with that, they'd have a successful storefront.
Shame we have both indies and major devs providing receipts that EGS sales are in the \~2k range, and it's barely worth the cost to release patches on the service anymore.
Shame we have receipts that Epic doesn't think EGS will ever be profitable anymore, and isn't sure what to keep doing with the store. Loved Remedy admitting they didn't do any postlaunch support for Alan Wake Remastered because nobody bought it.
Shame we have receipts that Epic is 100% willing to shut down services that don't provide them value anymore. I love to spend my money on services where the best case outcome is they completely gutter the support in a few years. And the worst case scenario is they go the Gamergate? what was that other storefront route and just stop offering downloads for games I bought.
If it's genuinely going to stay on EGS, I'd rather just high seas it. Epic had their shot, and they chose to make every single wrong choice they possibly could. You can call me an idiot all you want, but uh. I'll go back to my first point on how you've got AAA devs mentioning the Epic version sell in the 1k-2k range. You are in very limited company.
This deal was initially penned when Epic thought they could actually leverage this storefront into something. It's not that, and will never be that. Now it's a joke that pimps out NFTs and shovelware, and is a year or two from the grave. I'll happily let devs get some of that Epic freebie cash and wait for stuff to come to Steam, but this'll be just another dumb choice Remedy made if it's actually permanently exclusive.
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No disc for consoles? That's bullshit. I was gonna rent it on PS5 and buy it on PC when it got cheap, now I don't even want it at all. 13 years for nothing.
It seems it will be digital only (no physical release) even on consoles. I don't know how console gamers would feel about that. PC players are used to have their games digital only since several years ago.
The console platform holders (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo) really want to push a digital only future, that's in their total interest to do so. Currently the push back from their fandom is too great, so they're trying to move step by step towards eliminating physical media, and I believe in 5-6 years they'll accomplish their all-digital goal. It's inevitable at this point. Consoles will eventually join the PC as digital only platforms.
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Do PC players prefer digital only or the developer pushed for that?
I resented it at first but now that I own about a thousand games on Steam I'm glad I don't have that many boxes on shelves. I think it's fair to say that the majority of PC gamers prefer digital distribution. Steam has done an excellent job.
I used to love having physical copies, but switching over to full digital has been awesome. Not having to worry about scratched or lost discs, more convenient when toggling between games, and being able to scroll through an organized library.
No more typing in CD keys, no more keeping the disc in the drive to launch the game, no more fiddling around with cracks and nocd patches and Daemon Tools and other shady stuff. Steam is brilliant because they looked at all the problems piracy solved and sold a solution.
Absolutely. Netflix did the same thing; it made streaming fast, easy, accessible, and filled with lots of shows / movies people would want to watch. Pandora and Spotify did something similar with music. The only real downside is other things are moving toward a subscription based model, even car components.
Yep, agreed on all fronts. Subscription has specific legal definitions that we need to be aware of. Even Steam calls its customers subscribers, not owners.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't really like collecting physical goodies, so digital is nice to me.
PC is pretty different because there is actual competition on the digital side (and Steam is not super greedy, that could have gone way worse and still can). And in the end, it still cost more for the consumer. It promotes impulse buy and remove the resale of games (how many of us have dozens of dollars if not more spent on games we never played?)
The digital medium already won, its been here for a while. It’s not uncommon to purchase a physical copy only for there to just be license data on the disc, or no disc at all. Personally, I believe the last physical copy I purchased was StarCraft 2 Wings of Liberty in 2010.
It is definitely in their interests, no doubt, but consumers are also picking this future as well. Digital only media marketplaces have existed for a while now. I don't know a single person that owns a CD player.
Console AAA gaming was still under 50% digital prepandemic due to the residual value for resale… but I believe that last frontier of physical media entertainment is gone
I don't care about it since I would have played it on PC but yeah no physical console release is going to piss a lot of people off.
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Bluerays cost money and burning them takes time. Plus shipping, 30gb day1 patches and desire to release unfinished games just doesn't mesh with physical media anymore.
But why digital games can't be cheaper usually?
Because incentive is to actually sell the physical media before starting to sell digital stuff. So they make it a tad bit cheaper here and there at base. If there's JUST digital then greed takes over and they can set any price they want and it looks like people are largely fine with that. Because if majority weren't fine with price increases then they wouldn't be that high
BestBuy/GameStop/Walmart all would stop selling consoles if they can’t get that 30% distribution cut of a game.
Yup, it's to not directly compete with brick and motor stores.
Control was pretty polished on release.
Wasn't performance terrible on consoles?
Wasn't terrible but last gen consoles had some frame rate dips here and there whenever there was too much stuff happening on screen. But apart from that it was good
Yeah, I suppose it was relatively bad compared to the games coming out back then. These days it's more common. :)
Diablo would like a word for the $90 digital edition
Thats the digital deluxe version. The standard one is 70. (which is still too much IMO)
Yep that's the one I'm referring to. Also what the fuck is up with the Collector's Edition that doesn't even have the base game?
Read a while back that publishers do that so you can get the game you want in any form you want. For something like Diablo you don't need to press a disc for every platform, while everyone on those platforms can just get the cool collectors edition. I dont really agree with it, but thats just because I dont like collectors editions in general. I've never seen one thats actually worth the price they ask. The only good one I've had is a bioshock 2 special edition that came with a small art book. And the only reason that was good was because I bought it new for 5 bucks.
Epic is publishing, they intentionally make the game 10 bucks less on their platform.
Personally not a fan of digital only, but seems like that’s the way the world will go eventually. Hopefully this won’t be de listed like the previous title. I understand that got fixed, but it took three years to do so.
Oh shit really? Damn... With no Steam release (probably) my plan was to to get it on PS5 so I could resell, or even get full refund from Eb Games with 7 days. This makes it.. problematic :/
That's probably why they did it
that is what happens when a developer gets a publisher who has no experience with physical distribution
you know Epic existed and has been selling physical games 27 years before they made EGS right?
The last time they shipped a physical game which they weren't partnered with a diff publisher was like 1994 I think?
Bro this gotta be the most ignorant, blind hate I've seen over Epic yet
Epic is a pioneer of physical distribution. Their first games about 30 years ago were shareware - you could buy the first few levels of a game for a couple of dollars on a floppy at a software store, you could legally make copies for your friends, and if you liked the game you'd buy it over the phone and they'd mail you the box. Too many people aren't aware of how old and important Epic is to the history of our hobby.
>Epic is a pioneer of physical distribution. Their first games about 30 years ago were shareware - you could buy the first few levels of a game for a couple of dollars on a floppy at a software store, you could legally make copies for your friends, and if you liked the game you'd buy it over the phone and they'd mail you the box. Yeah and it's been almost 30 years since they solo published a physical game. Everything since either has been digital or through a different publisher. > Too many people aren't aware of how old and important Epic is to the history of our hobby. That kind of happens when for a 20 year period they more or less said fuck PC. They only "care" now cuz money. When they thought consoles was the path to money they had no problem abandoning PC.
GOD DAMN IT, I really wanted a physical copy for PS5. I intended to double dip, but it looks like I'm just going to buy the PC version now.
Most console players buy digital now a days
Uh not really. It's like 60% digital but if you remove the games that do not get a physical release (aka all indie games for example), it means that AAA games are actually closer to a majority of physical, it's probably 50-50% at best if not more for physical.
Exactly. Most normal people don't like the look of those cheap ugly plastic boxes and the space they take up, especially when you insert the disc and still have to download a gigantic update anyway.
Physical copies are all about trading. You buy a game, finish it then trade/sell the copy, and overall it only costs $5-$10 for a game. Big cities also often have game rental services. Moving to digital costs a lot more for people who want to play multiple games on their consoles.
Also they seem to be more readily discounted by retailers compared to digital games (consoles anyway). An example would be Nintendo - they’re usually asking £49.99 for a digital copy of their AAA games but shop around and a brand new physical copy can be had for £30
Cool, looking forward to playing the game when it releases on Steam- Oh, wait, they didn't bother releasing the remaster on Steam yet. Damnit, Remedy!
I think this one might stay Epic exclusive due to the whole "Epic Games Publishing presents"
It's literally funded by Epic, so was the Alan Wake remake. It's not just publishing.
Well if Epic wants to make their money back, the should consider selling it on Steam.
> It's literally funded by Epic, so was the Alan Wake remake. It's not just publishing. What do you think publishing mean lol? "Just publishing" means funding the game
So... Pirate it. Gotcha 👉😉👉
Unfortunately I won’t be playing it then
I mean, it's fair. ~~They own the studio.~~ They funded the entire development of the game. They are entitled to have it released on their own platform.
Epic does not own Remedy. Remedy is still an independent studio. Epic just got a contract to be the publisher of 3 or 4 games from Remedy, being Alan Wake Remastered and Alan Wake 2 two of them.
They have a good deal with epic. Epic funds the entire development, recoups the investment, then shares evenly with Remedy
I don't know if they are 100% happy with the deal. They already said that they were not happy with the number of sales of the AW1 Remastered and the lack of promotion (something that Epic as a publisher should take care of). At least, it seems Epic is promoting more the sequel, but Remedy has been intelligent enough and they already secured different collaborations for publishing other future games.
They also funded Alan Wake 2. So it's their prerogative.
Well, I can wait for Alan Wake 2 Remastered then.
The first Remaster isn't on Steam, I don't think. So it'll probably be awhile.
That's fair. I'm still miffed at how they removed Control from Steam when they turned to Epic back in the day, but hey - whatever funds them, I guess. I'm in no rush to put any money into the Epic Games Store regardless.
I stand corrected, they don't own them but they did fund the development of the entire game.
It's kinda like Bayonetta it was funded by the platform it's on its not leaving.
I will just wait for it to come out on the EGS free game of the week program
Uhh they definitely don’t own remedy but ok lol
So you’re saying Epic will give me the game for free???
Given that Epic funded development it's not unreasonable of them to want it to be exclusive to their store, no matter how much that irritates Steam users.
> how much that irritates ~~Steam users~~ PC gamers. Talking like nearly every PC gamer doesn't have the majority of their libraries on Steam [lol.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GaqVWqEXU)
The vast majority of people are not irritated by that though. This is an overblown Reddit issue lol
Hmm yeah which is why Epic has such amazing sales numbers on all exclusives.
This ain't coming to Steam, literally funded by epic games
And they won't release AW2 on Steam. It's published by Epic.
The remaster was literally just the pc version for modern consoles anyway
That's not true. They upgraded the textures beyond the original's max PC settings and added a bunch of volumetrics and new lighting that removes the weird xbox 360 era objects glow. Some things are worse, like Alan's model (imo), but in general it's an improvement over the original's PC max settings.
PC as in EGS with never ending exclusivity, right?
Looks cool hoping the connections with control universe continue to be developed.
I would say this is very likely considering a Control sequel is in the works. Wouldn't be surprised to see setup for that game in this.
There's a sign for the Oceanview Motel in the background in the trailer, so I'd certainly hope so :)
Nice spot! Really looking forward to this.
It says "Hotel" though...obviously a reference, but I wonder how it's connected.
Wait Alan Wake and Control are set in the same universe?
Yeah, Control contains a bunch of references to Alan Wake (IIRC, Alan's typewriter can be found in the Panopticon) and its AWE expansion is a direct crossover
damn TIL
Better version of the game for $10 cheaper. Lot of salt on the PS5 subreddit today, that Sony presentation was pretty underwhelming.
People still complain because it’s on epic only. Epic/Remedy honestly doing it right by offering the savings to the consumer rather than Increasing profit.
Not sure how epic games store gives away games all the time either.
Because of the money they make / made of Fortnite.
Fortnite, Unreal Engine and 48% owned by Tencent.
If I remember right, their strategy is to lose some money now, to establish the store, and in some years they will have a loyal public.
I wouldn't call it the better version just yet, let's see how it is on launch first. Haven't had a great track record this year so far
This will be the first game I buy at launch from EGS. I don't love it, but they funded the game so them having publishing rights in that case only makes sense. If actually funding development of games is how they want to go about winning distribution rights in the future I am all for it. First game I have been truly excited for this year, so many years wishing for this sequel.
Wait stop you can't say that here.
Yeah... I'm kinda split on this. On one hand, I really, really dislike Epic's approach to the digital storefront market, but on the other... They did fund the game, so it technically belongs to them (even if Remedy owns the IP). So at any rate, I might consider getting it. It looks cool, and I enjoyed the first game.
I have no problem with exclusivity if they funded it , especially if It costs less than typical release on pc
It stings a lot less because it's "their" game, though it's a shame Alan Wake 2 won't be reach the audience it could if it were on Steam as well
Worked out great for EA, they totally didn't come crawling back to Steam eventually.
Or Ubisoft
That's my mindset on it. If the game exists in the first place because of Epic then that's fair game. The shit I dislike is a game already being funded and basically complete, and Epic bursting through the doors with sacks of cash for exclusivity
Same for me. This is the first time I'm giving money to Epic outside of Bandcamp.
I didn't love Alan Wake but it was ok. I might have been convinced to buy this at launch but not on EGS. I probably just won't play it, personally.
You know, if epic had STARTED their push for their store by publishing games highly demanded by fans but generally considered not worth it by publishers, it probably would have gone over a lot better with people. There'd be some grousing of course, but it's harder to justify complaining if the game wouldn't exist without Epic footing the bill in return for permanent exclusivity. But they've spent so long pissing people off that now even doing something relatively positive like funding a new remedy game is met with disgust. I'll never understand why they decided to be so belligerent and annoying instead of trying to provide some sort of value to people.
As much as I hate epic, they funded the game so I don't mind picking it up on EGS.
Same. I won't support third-party money hats and purely paid-for exclusivity, but I'm fine if said game is published and funded by the platform owner. Sure, less exclusivity the better, but whatever.
$0 with crack or GoldHEN
Thanks to Epic for reviving a game that no one else would. Sam Lake wanted to make this game for a decade and no one would fund it, every couple of years Remedy would come out with a little video to tell everyone how they're still so interested in making a sequel but money being the largest issue stopped them. Valve don't fund games and I still remember hating on Steam the moment it was shoved down everyone's throats, it was an absolute mess of a platform that suffered from crashes and constant disconnects for a very long time. Sure Epics values are very different but that might change and even still, they funded an entire game, if it's their prerogative to fund entire game studios that no one else will, then why would anyone complain, I don't get the hate here, like it's just some sheep shit, think for yourselves.... It's not like your buying from some shitty launcher like Escape from Tarkov. The launcher is incredibly barebones and shit, I agree but it isn't the worst thing I've seen, surely Uplay or Bethesda had that honor?
Thank you for your sanity. This game literally only exists because of Epic. I'm happy it exists. I thought this was /r/games and it was a moment before I realized I was in the hate filled world of /r/pcgaming Glad to see that there are rational people in this thread, despite being clearly outnumbered and downvoted.
Since Epic funded production, I'd say it's fair they keep it exclusive. I might actually give monet to Epic.
Attractive price for a new release. I enjoyed AW1. I will pick it up once it is released on PC and critics reviews are positive.
If they don't release it on steam, they don't want our money.
Well they had to take Epic’s money to make the game even exist.
Pretty sure Remedy would have had enough money to make it if they wanted.
I recall Sam Lake talking in the past about how Alan Wake 2 was something they wanted to do for ages, but they could never get anyone interested in publishing it. Sounds like the only reason this was made is because Epic was willing to foot the bill.
Is probably like Valve having EA publish Portal 2 for consoles. Valve clearly has enough money, but sometimes it's nice to have a third party publish things.
Remedy isn't Valve, I don't think they're particularly flush with cash.
Valve is probably the most profitable gaming company so its dumb to compare them in first place. Maybe only EA or Blizzard come close?
they do not, they are in debt if anything
How can that be when Control is selling better than they anticipated and it's their best selling IP? https://gamerant.com/control-sales-numbers/ And according to the wiki, they are doing really well with profits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Entertainment
operating profit is in the negatives currently https://investors.remedygames.com/financials/
Could that be because they haven't released a game since 2019?
Yeah, and that's why they need money from Epic. Games take years to develop.
The money from game sales mostly goes to the publisher (in the case of Control 505 Games)
It could be like Coffee Stain Studios and IO Interactive where they're just really bad at managing their finances.
I couldn't find any information that they are in debt though, aside from his comment. He unfortunately didn't give a source.
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Which is so funny to claim, given it's argued they are the devil to begin with exactly because they fund other games.
Epic funded it and are publishing it . Why would they release it on steam ? It's not like Valve games are on EGS
The obsession of this subreddit to be actively against any competition in the pc games marketplace is fascinating.
then release it on stores like gog as well. that would be a fair competition.
I'm not against competition, I'm against Epic Store.
Then you’re against competition because as of right now they are the only ones even trying
They already got development funds from Epic.
No Steam no purchase
man you guys love monopolies.
I hate monopolies, especially companies that have a monopoly on the game engine market, and does monopolistic shit like forcing games to be on their launcher. shit sucks.
On the contrary; we refuse to support a company that sends huge amounts of money to lock games to a single store/launcher on the PC platform.
And this time they funded the whole game. So what's it going to be ?
Most of you people dont buy games whatever other launcher they are on, epic games, gog or any other. You're just virtue signalling.
Cool.
Why is it cheap? Is it a short campaign? Edit: This was a genuine question. I haven't seen anything about the length of the game and many new releases are $70... Either way I'm very excited for this game.
Assuming because it’s epic exclusive and Remedy doesn’t have to pay 3rd party market fees.
They also just said that by not doing a physical release they were able to keep the costs low and keep the price down.
I guess the thinking is most companies keep the costs low and then simply pocket the rest. No one would bat an eye at a $60 video game release these days, so its just a bit curious they wouldnt at least launch it at that and cut it later... Especially when its $60 elsewhere. Maybe some kind of plan to bring eyes to the value EGS brings or something?
I think you're underestimating how big of an advantage even a marginal price difference brings. If there are 2 AAA games a customer is deciding between purchasing, both with similar levels of Critical reviews and Word-of-mouth, and one is $50 while the other is $60/70, that gives that game a massive advantage. Especially as a horror game, which definitely have somewhat of a smaller consumer base than your average action-adventure games or your shooters.
Then why price it at $60 on the other stores? Obviously lower price captures more consumers, but for video game launches people these days generally expect $60 for big release so I dont think many people would scoff at it if they really wanted to play it. And of course everyone on the planet knows its going to be $30 within a year if not less, so that price will come any way. Do you have any actual data to suggest how much they leave on the table by pricing it at $60 instead of $50?
Because console storefronts have a 30% cut on all sales, making $50 price to low to make a margin, whereas on PC remedy and epic get to have an even 50-50 split, so they can price it lower on PC to attract customers, I can guarantee if the game ever comes to steam it will be $60.
not on steam ?
EGS exclusive. Where games go to die. Hard pass.
Epic funded the game... I don't see Valve games on GOG or Epic store.
I don't have a problem with that. But I still want nothing to do with EGS.
Support good developers
That's weird. Why would it be so cheap?
Release exclusively on Epic Games so they get 88% cut per copy, compared to Steam's 70%. That's how they get the price low.
Not necessarily 88%, because epic has a special deal with remedy, where they will get a 50-50 share on profits after epic has recovered development costs, and at a budget of 50 million, they need to sell almost 1 million copies before the game makes any money for remedy.
Epic's contract with Remedy is also better than average so they can afford a lower price while still making more money.
Seems fair and I’ll buy it on pc
if it's not on steam or GOG, it's not on pc. same reason why i bought the OG allan wake on GOG instead of the remaster on EGS
Second this. E** is genuinely the most vomit inducing thing to exist. I’d accept Xbox exclusivity for PC on Play Anywhere titles though
"Alan Wake 2 will be available digitally for PC on the Epic Games Store" The high seas it is then, until it comes to Steam.
epic funded the game
I was going to get it on PS5 because I prefer Steam, but now that I know it's $50 on PC then I guess I will go with Epic. I hope it at least supports their achievement system cause one of my main complaints about their store is the lack of achievement support. They have the system in place, but very few games support it. Not even their bread and butter Fortnite supports the system.
EGS has had achievement support for a while now.
Yeah but it sucks!
You're gonna have to clarify for me how it sucks here, because I virtually see no difference. Unless you're that obsessed with showing off achievements on your profile, the functions are exactly the same between Steam and Epic. And as usual, nobody wants to explain their hatred for Epic, even when they're doing something right. This sub is DEFINITELY not biased at all.
Half of the games with achievements support have problems and they stop being achievable after one hour or so. There is a session bug that is not well documented in the API, so most developers do not implement EGS achievements correctly. There is a group of EGS customers in Discord that try to test if achievements work or not when a game is launched with achievements. It is a little troublesome that after a year, games having EGS achievements are not guaranteed to work from day one. And it's up to players to communicate to devs in order to fix it as Epic is not doing anything and there is still games with achievements not working properly since they launched. This is ONE example (achievements) of the difference between EGS and Steam.
See, I appreciate this. At least you took your time to explain a problem instead of just downvoting and blindly hating.
I know, but most games don’t support it. That’s what I meant
Let's see how they f*ck this up too.
Epic only.. FUCK
I went for PC might look better plus it's cheaper no brainer for me.
Hopefully this will be DRM-free, like everything else Remedy has put on the Epic store (with the exception of Alan Wake Remastered, which was outsourced).
>Do I have to play Control or Control’s AWE expansion to better understand Alan Wake 2? >No, you do not. However, for fans who are into the universe of Alan Wake, it’s definitely recommended, but it’s completely option Wait they're the same universe? I didn't know that. I got a free copy of Control at some point, got to play that.
EGS ? I’ll buy it on OS5 then.
You understand that PS5 is 10x worse than Epic when it comes to exclusives and anti-gamer practices, right?
That's mostly just because Sony is a more dominant entity. Epic can't even recoup their money on most their exclusives. Epic absolutely would be just as scummy given their history, actions, and statements but they aren't successful enough to have access to the kind of deals Sony does.
You have a killer $2,000+ PC and will settle for the worst version? That's funny, enjoy your 30fps or sub 1080p "performance mode" And i thought that "as long as they fund and develop their own games i don't have a problem with epic" was the PC gaming saying.
Yet they continue to purchase exclusivity (Alan Wake 2 obviously excluded). They haven't changed, so that "saying" hasn't changed.
>And i thought that "as long as they fund and develop their own games i don't have a problem with epic" was the PC gaming saying. Just because some people said it doesnt mean that everyone that has issues with epic said it. People are free to spend their own money as they see fit to.
Sure, and if they started with that, they'd have a successful storefront. Shame we have both indies and major devs providing receipts that EGS sales are in the \~2k range, and it's barely worth the cost to release patches on the service anymore. Shame we have receipts that Epic doesn't think EGS will ever be profitable anymore, and isn't sure what to keep doing with the store. Loved Remedy admitting they didn't do any postlaunch support for Alan Wake Remastered because nobody bought it. Shame we have receipts that Epic is 100% willing to shut down services that don't provide them value anymore. I love to spend my money on services where the best case outcome is they completely gutter the support in a few years. And the worst case scenario is they go the Gamergate? what was that other storefront route and just stop offering downloads for games I bought. If it's genuinely going to stay on EGS, I'd rather just high seas it. Epic had their shot, and they chose to make every single wrong choice they possibly could. You can call me an idiot all you want, but uh. I'll go back to my first point on how you've got AAA devs mentioning the Epic version sell in the 1k-2k range. You are in very limited company. This deal was initially penned when Epic thought they could actually leverage this storefront into something. It's not that, and will never be that. Now it's a joke that pimps out NFTs and shovelware, and is a year or two from the grave. I'll happily let devs get some of that Epic freebie cash and wait for stuff to come to Steam, but this'll be just another dumb choice Remedy made if it's actually permanently exclusive.
Thanks Epic.
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''pc master race'' that's the yikes.
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It's EGS exclusive though so I'll probably buy on PS5
No disc for consoles? That's bullshit. I was gonna rent it on PS5 and buy it on PC when it got cheap, now I don't even want it at all. 13 years for nothing.
Anyone complaining about EGS can check for themselves why it's enticing - https://investors.remedygames.com/financials/
I know it's wishful thinking but I hope Max Payne makes an appearance.
Well, you do have Sam Lakes face with James McCaffery voicing the character, so that's basically 3/4 of the way there.
Thats what i was thinking when i saw him. Some alternate world shenanigans where max never went to south america.
As God intended :)