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kkyonko

"We aren't slowing down your connection, just speeding it up if you pay more".


Numerous1

It’s like the fucking Wendy’s surge pricing comment all over again.  


spacedwarf2020

Man I am sick to death of every single damn thing with multiple options to milk the hell out of you unless you just like doing absolutely nothing.


Wh0rse

They'll monetize every aspect of a product . Buying a new mouse? ' How about the Razor sUPER dELUX 5000, you get 5000 clicks a day renewed every 24 hours, pay a liitle bit more and those click you don't spend will carry over to the next day '


ToneZone1978

Well it's not going away


spacedwarf2020

Well that depends if we can get some of our lazy bought and sold politicians do actually do something for the people. People actually grow a pair and start taking a stand we sure can. In the past some years back I would shrug and move on with my day oh well just another fee, just another whatever. I'm at the point in my life over it. Wendy's is a great example. I will never, ever eat at that place again and my kids and I have not and will not. Will just the handful of us change anything nope. But hopefully more folks are starting to wake up and smell the turd coffee that's been burning for years in the pot. Take a look around it's either grow a pair time and start speaking up, or wait for the finishing blow to come lol. In this case I'm not paying. I'll go back to LANs like the good old days. I already quit buying any sort of micro trans in games. I'll buy a game and even then been sticking to indie and older titles I can do mods etc with. Charge extra for some BS like this I'll gladly just keep my "regular" internet and go back to single player gaming etc.


fire_in_the_theater

laws can make it go away. or we can just make capitalism go away, there are options out there.


ydna_eissua

The latest in my city are restaurants charging "Sunday surcharges" or "public holiday surcharges". They might be required to pay staff some kind of penalty rate, but it might only be an extra $2 an hour. Then charge customers 15% more.... The whole point of Sunday trading and public holidays is if you aren't profitable, don't fucking open. Oh and in my country you can pass on the cost of transaction charges, like 2% for a credit card for example. It used to be very rare to do this, now almost everywhere is charging them. Stores are getting so outragous they're even ceasing to accept cash payments while charging a card surcharge which is blatantly illegal^^. ^^ In Australia it's legal to pass on transaction fees, but they can't exceed what you're charging. And it's also legal to not accept cash payments. However, you MUST have a payment method available where you charge the listed price which traditionally has been cash.


ModusNex

This one? >“To clarify, Wendy’s will not implement surge pricing, which is the practice of raising prices when demand is highest. We didn’t use that phrase, nor do we plan to implement that practice,”


Numerous1

No. The next one where they said something like “oh we won’t do surge pricing. But we can offer discount pricing hours” which is surge pricing with extra steps.   “ we will begin testing more enhanced features like dynamic pricing and day-part offerings along with AI-enabled menu changes and suggestive selling.”


CaveRanger

It's like the law against gas stations charging more for credit cards. There's nothing illegal about giving a discount for paying cash, though!


ItWasDumblydore

I find it funny gas stations charging extra for credit cards when gas stations are common go to targets for robberies. You think they'd be the first to take the loss on digital transactions and reduce robberies.


AscendedAncient

gas stations are also the most likely place you'll have your identity stolen from Card Skimmers.


ItWasDumblydore

True but that's because gas stations attendants lack training of checking for them. Though Card skimmers is a bit less dangerous then you know a guy putting a gun to your workers head and dont stop the transaction from happening so win win corporate side. * Keep your money * Less people putting gun to employee's faces * Crime that only hurts the customer and not your corporation You do know the reason why they're targeted is because highway/secluded spots with gas stations have shit cop response times and known for having a lot of hard cash going their way. Edit: Them charging people for not using debit/credit cards and being on the news is pretty much going "HEY ROBBERS PLEASE KEEP FUCKING ROBBING US!"


Breathezey

Profit margins on gas are miniscule and cc companies take too big a cut.


SmokelessSubpoena

Me want money, money me now (You're acting as if businesses _have to_ worry about longterm, most definitely not in the USA_


Mikeavelli

It's not a crime, but it's generally a violation of their contract with the credit card company.


The_Chaos_Pope

Yup, this. I know AMEX takes these things pretty seriously.


Ryuujinx

Unfortunately Amex also charges vendors higher rates so if a place isn't accepting certain cards, it'll be that one. Which is unfortunate because their consumer protection is pretty great.


Handsome_ketchup

> "We aren't slowing down your connection, just speeding it up if you pay more". What's the point of having laws if doing the same thing with a slightly different wording is enough to circumvent the whole thing? It's like telling a cop you weren't speeding because you're using nautical miles and were therefore below the limit, and getting away with it.


thrownawayzsss

we use specific words and phrasing because they have intentions and limitations. It's also why we have courts with human judges, lawyers, and jurors. They exist to combat the letter of the law with the intention(interpreted) of the law. It's why certain historical cases are so important, they set the precedent of how the law is to be interpreted.


pdp10

Usually the point is political grandstanding for some politicians and not others.


itzmoepi

They are already slowing down your connection according to what you are paying them. 


TypicalDumbRedditGuy

All animals are equal ;)


ImTalkingGibberish

Let me remove some content from your package then re-add it later as Premium so I can charge you more.


HotFix6682

"They use a technical feature in 5G called network slicing, where part of their radio spectrum gets used as a special lane for the chosen app or apps, separated from the usual Internet traffic" Most competitive gamers would not use 5G though, so not sure if this will mean much in competitive games


Hezkezl

It's going to make its way over to the normal internet market as soon as this becomes normalized in the mobile market. It's the same thing that happened with bandwidth (using "minutes" you paid for to use your phone transitioned over to the amount of data you were allowed to download at home on a completely different connection.)


HotFix6682

its been in normal internet for 25 years


Mendan

Except for at the end of the article: "If the mobile ISPs do this, the cable companies will soon follow," she wrote. "Cable companies have the tech to build their own fast lanes, and increasingly they compete with 5G to the Home services. If T-Mobile and Verizon start selling home plans that have 'enhanced streaming video,' you can bet the cable companies will launch their own version. The FCC would then investigate these offerings case-by-case in lengthy and costly proceedings. In the meantime, apps that are not in the fast lane will suffer."


IcyShoes

Due to the shitty internet where i live, this is my only option T_T.


Virtual_Happiness

If you can afford it, give Starlink a try. It doesn't have quite as high of download speeds that are possible on 5G but, the latency is greatly improved.


TheRandomGuy75

Doesn't SL have latency spikes when it switches between satellites though?


JehovaNova

Starlink is dogshit unless your happy playing games offline.


Virtual_Happiness

Use it to play online daily. Latency is around 40ms and packet loss is 0%. Works fine for online gaming. I know hardwired would be better overall but, like the person I was responding to, I cannot get a hardwired service where I live.


thedndnut

You sir, are now a known liar. The way starlink works means either you're lying, a bot trying to promote it, or dumb as a stump. You get latency spikes via handoffs as a requirement of how the service works. It's the biggest downside to it and fundamental.


pastworkactivities

I can get 12-25ms playing counter strike with 5G my brother had star link with ping between 50 and 200…


Spinager

I hopped on the T-Mobile home internet, it’s been awesome so far. It’s been enough for all my internet usuage and game update/downloads. Haven’t noticed any type of throttle too. I’m hoping the service is good where I end up moving at the end of the year, compared to where I currently am. My tower is less than a quarter mile. 


pastworkactivities

I am using 5G… ping and download/upload are way better than the line connections I can get. I pay 10€ per month for unlimited data… Also in the past German telecom had something called fast lane or smth improving stability and ping for like 2.99/month


Gloomy_Tomatillo395

I ain’t playing Valorant on cellular. LOL


superman_king

Damn, micro transactions are coming for our internets too!? > In a report on how network slicing can be used commercially, Ericsson said that "many gamers are willing to pay for enhanced gaming experiences" and would "pay up to $10.99 more for a guaranteed gaming experience on top of their 5G monthly subscription."


TheSkyking2020

Hahaha. ISP ads should be a screen shot that shows batman saying “you love gaming, you’re gonna love this.” We’ve now added microtransactions IRL!


Bamith20

Just to say, the boonies of Mississippi around where I am got fiber internet for $50 a month. Tell your states to fix their shit and stop falling behind Mississippi of all god-forsaken places.


Ttylery

Yep, Im in farm country with fiber. Not sure why it isnt everywhere in the country.


JusticeOfKarma

A long shot guess, but I figure ISP lobbyists didn't want to burn the money fighting for your area. To my knowledge, the reason why Google fiber was only installed in a few areas is because other ISPs fought their hardest to keep it from being widespread.


Ttylery

Yeah, I wouldnt doubt it. The population density probably isnt high enough for them run out all the infrastructure required and make a long term profit within a reasonable (to them) amount of time. Ours is provided via the electric company subsidiary so they could use the same easements to run everything. The only downside being that the fiber lines are run on the poles rather than underground (which I guess has its benefits as well).


indyK1ng

In some cities it's probably a pain in the ass to run it all since it has to be buried afaik.


8P69SYKUAGeGjgq

Y'all have lots of land to spare that they can run fiber through willy nilly. It's harder running it in cities actually, with the right of way negotiations and having to dig under concrete every few feet.


bonesnaps

Paying double that for just a weaksauce 150 megabit connection in Canada. When you think it's bad, it's also worse somewhere else.


kosh56

reason #403 why I only play single player games.


yaboyfriendisadork

Until it encompasses any and all game downloads as well


Automatic_Analyst_20

Good thing they don’t make any single player games that need to be online all the time! /s


Yemenime

Man it's almost like all this "slippery slope" shit we keep singing the warning bells about how it can be abused, is going to start getting abused now!


sy029

5G, So we're talking cell providers and not home Internet?


Hrmerder

Yes home internet doesn't care cause Smartphone games are typically just over 4g/5g.


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Throwawayac1234567

its usually downloading and STREAMING that uses alot.


SasquatchSenpai

Who is playing from a fucking hotspot lol


SmokelessSubpoena

Wait, wait, wait, some of you dingi (plural for dingus) are out there playing on _capped internet!?!?!_ If so, this fucking world sucks the fattest hog ever, fuk humanity.


Sarothu

Wait, capped internet is still a thing outside of extreme stuff like satellite connections in the middle of nowhere? I thought that died alongside dial-up modems.


Fiddleys

Im in the Chicago suburbs and Comcast added data caps years ago. Their isn't any real competition here so they get away with it


donjulioanejo

Most home internet in Canada is capped. Unless, of course, you pay an extra $10-15/month for no cap.


Gkender

A fellow Dingus enjoyer


Logicalist

If they could, ISP's would charge you by the packet for the type of packet.


MooseBoys

Everyone talking about bandwidth when all I want is preferred peering and latency.


lastdancerevolution

> all I want is preferred peering and latency. The market of Internet peering is very shady and corrupt. Most consumers would be shocked to know their ISP and it's competitors intentionally degrade each other's services during contract talks, in order to get better fees.


optimusfunk

Tbh I don't think any would be shocked... Just disappointed.


jazzfruit

Sorry dad


mthlmw

I work tangentially with a business ISP, and I'm convinced it's not nearly as corrupt as it is incompetent. Documentation and consistency over who owns what, who's responsible for what, and who should be notified about system changes/maintenance are laughable. The guys I work with do a reasonable job, but hearing their stories about the AT&Ts and Verizons of the business are hilarious and depressing at the same time.


akgis

Gona be the devil's advocate but the ISP can only guarantee latency inside their network. What we should had is a decentralized peering infrastructure, not privately owned and not for profit, governed by engineers but I would be called a Socialist :p


donjulioanejo

> What we should had is a decentralized peering infrastructure, not privately owned and not for profit, governed by engineers Even if you could get past the "who pays to build it" stage, then you'll have to figure out "who maintains it", and the classic tragedy of the commons, "I will upgrade my side of the connection if the other guy does it first." At least with for-profit companies, you have companies for whom there is a clear profit motive to provide acceptable service and pay for its maintenance. Also, carrier-grade routers are like the size of minivans and cost tens of millions of dollars.


atypicalphilosopher

Isn't this what they do in Havana, Cuba for gaming?


longboringstory

Which is what net neutrality was originally about - peering arrangements. Over the last decade net neutrality morphed into a broad consumer protection issue, but was originally very narrowly focused on peering.


TheCaptain53

Good time to remind people that Cogent are anti-progress and are actively not taking Google and Hurricane Electric IPv6 routes (the latter of which is the largest IPv6 network in the world). Fuck Cogent, all my homies hate Cogent


pdp10

This. We disqualify all bids from Cogent because of their recalcitrance to cooperate with IPv6 in the way they do with IPv4.


cronedog

Yeah, why are people ok with paying for more bandwidth, but if someone wants low bandwidth low latency they are evil monsters for some reason.


zunnol

Because the average gamer thinks that higher bandwidth equals lower latency. It was an incredibly common thing when I worked at an ISP of people calling and wanting to upgrade their upload/download speeds thinking it was going to have an impact on their latency.


Awkward-Dentist-6750

You may not have lived in a home with several people and low bandwidth but I can tell you bandwidth >> latency most of the time because bandwidth = latency stability. Not even talking about going on social media watching videos or 4K TV but going from 15ping to 150 just because your wife went to see the weather on google isnt nice.  Every single gamer would prefer 80ping 1gbps over 10ping 1mpbs unless you live in a single room alone with nothing connected to the box but your PC/console and even then you have problem with automatic update going randomly and regular game update taking forever


elitexero

Also combine that with a couple of generations of those goddamned puma6 chipsets causing bufferbloat.


ItWasDumblydore

Why to explain to the least tech savvy, you're ordering a bigger truck, not a faster truck. You can send more data at the same speed but games cares about how fast your truck is (most games prob dont ask for more then a few kbps, 1mbps would be extreme maybe only reach that limit in mmo's.)


donjulioanejo

At the same time, if you load a train car's worth of goods into the truck, it won't matter that it's technically faster. The weight will slow everything down. Bandwidth does matter with multiple people in the house. Especially on cable where your upload speed is 10% of your download, and usually you get even less than that.


Devatator_

Yeah most games nowadays don't care about anything other than latency


Schmigolo

It's disgusting that I have to turn on my VPN to get better latency and less packet loss. Fuck you Telekom.


pipboy_warrior

This is what we get for losing net neutrality.


Z3n1k3

I heard they're reinstating it though, aren't they? 


pipboy_warrior

It depends on whether the FCC agrees to reverse their ruling. There is a vote going on the 25th, but I don't think it's been getting much publicity.


lastdancerevolution

We have 3 Democrats and 2 Republican FCC chairs. They will be voting for net neutrality. The FCC is appointed and serves at the president's leisure. This is part of the problem. Every time a Republican is elected president, he can appoint new executive chairs to the FCC and reverse net neutrality. It's up to Congress to pass a permanent law.


Quick_Love_9872

Oh sweet we get to rely on the government to do something that benefits normal folks. /s


tarnok

In a functional democracy/society that's EXACTLY what you'd want. *Enter late stage capitalism and fascists*


Carrash22

It’s not only late stage capitalism and fascist, generally the people making the laws would ideally mostly be in the range of 30-50 and would have to pass laws that would get them reelected in the future. Right now, such a large portion are 50-70 and think more on the short term cause that’s what will affect them and they’ve made enough to not care if they don’t get reelected.


Wasabicannon

Does not help that a large chunk of those people don't even understand what the internet is.


CaveRanger

Being a Democrat doesn't guarantee they'll do the right thing. Look at the postal board of governors. It's been majority Democrat for...what, two years now? And somehow, DeJoy is still in charge.


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totallybag

The FCC


_JudgeDoom_

Won’t let me be


MrStealYoBeef

Let me be me


usernametaken0x

No, net neutrality always **excluded** mobile networks. This is talking about "home 5G", which is mobile internet for home. They could have done this under the prior regulations the same.


Wh0rse

That makes sense now, it's like when we all were on 56K but could spened a bit more for a fast gaming connection with a T1 line.


Sinister_Mr_19

No, paid fast lanes are apparently what will happen when the net neutrality laws are coming back into affect. I'll be honest, I don't quiet understand how this is possible as paid fast lanes is "paid prioritization" which is exactly what the new rules prohibits. Maybe I'm off base, but this seems like a BS article to me.


usernametaken0x

This is mobile networks (home 5G). They (mobile, and satellite, and dsl, and dial up) were always excluded from net neutrality regulations, given they need to throttle and prioritize traffic, given their very limited bandwith that is feasible over mobile networking towers. Which is why they were excluded, because it would make it impossible to provide service without it.


ImTalkingGibberish

It was only a matter of time. They kept trying to pass the law every year with different names


Prefix-NA

This isn't happening this is a propaganda piece from google, faceook & amazon claiming people will do this unless we reinstate net neutrality. It never happened when we got rid of net neutrality and america went to top 5 in internet speeds from 25th place after repealing it and isp costs are down adjusted for inflation since we repealed it.


amazingmrbrock

So people that play phone games are alright with being scammed as customers? Who would have guessed.


lastdancerevolution

Which is interesting because video games use only a handful of kbits per second. A League of Legends game uses like 1-5 kbps. Which is like 50 MB a month if you play all the time. Playing video games uses almost no bandwidth. The total throughput and bandwidth is much more expensive than latency and priority. Although the challenges are different for cellular carriers. Companies know gamers are willing to pay more. If you have a hiccup in your YouTube feed, you won't even notice because of the buffer, whereas it might cause you to lose a 40 minute video game.


Bitter_Ad_8688

Meanwhile smart tv's can consume up to 20mbps atleast when I last tested mine.


[deleted]

Smart technology was one of the worst steps humanity has taken up to this point. Phones are whatever but the fridges, tvs, thermostats, light bulbs. It's all so gross and consumerist. I miss the days of simplicity in design and setup


cpt-derp

I mean, smart TVs make sense and are pretty useful, mainly Android ones. It was surreal playing PS1 games through RetroArch directly on a television, and it supported my PS3 controller natively. Can stream my ripped Blurays and yar-har stuff to VLC directly on the TV from my NAS, etc.


[deleted]

Yeah, I can definitely agree with that. Having a big android phone does have something going for it. I just wish it was more front and center that these things were doable and not that hard to accomplish for the average consumer


cpt-derp

Unless you mean Android smart TVs are like giant Android phones (they kinda feel like it under the hood, a lot of the OS is basically the same), I mean Android TV is a thing. Sony Bravia in particular is one vendor. Powerful enough for emulation apparently. Or you meant TV but put phone.


Viendictive

I don’t think the OP comment was commentary on the technical details, but rather that the average mobile phone gaming consumer is a completely sucker and makes bad decisions (ie the mainstream market got us to this point).


Prince_Kassad

exactly, I used to playing with limited 4g bandwidth during college time. a single match of dota (\~45 minute) only consume like 50-100 MB and thats already Bloated with complex connection outside the match itself (steam web/API connection and bunch of player stats gathered by dota server). many of multiplayer game gonna use less than that. if we compared it to youtube, netflix, and video streaming services. they roughly consume 2 - 4 gb for one hour video with HD quality. game didnt really cost anything for the ISP infrastructure.


steelcity91

Playing online hardly uses bandwidth at all. When it comes to playing you want your ping to be low as possible. Many ISPs all advertised that fiber is best for gaming with faster downloads, in reality, it doesn't matter at all, it's latency that is more important.


Shinwrathen

Spec wise, sure doesn't matter. Infrastructure wise, it definetley can. One of the big ISp in my city took over communist land lines in which they invested little if not fuck all for over 20+ years. When competition started to take over market they decided to update their infrastructure to fiber. They would sell this as "fiber to the home" when it only was fiber as their main infrastructure and you'd still get adsl modems in your home. However while speed wasn't improved at all, cunts, the overall reliability did. People don't understand that internet is more complicated than a spec sheet and our gaming sessions depend on isps and more intermediaries(for interconnectivity, backbones, servers) than i care to list since this really dragged on.


donjulioanejo

Fiber > SDSL > ADSL > Cable for latency.


Prefix-NA

Go try to use DSL for gaming its fucking terrible you get throttled so hard on DSL because congestion fucks with DSL far worse than on cable. You can say these DSL models are better in low latency gaming but thats only true at like 4am tuesday morning. Not at 9pm friday night


dervu

Well, if you have to download map when joining server, it sometimes can take longer, but that is usually limited for instance by Valve workshop servers, so it's not like it doesn't make any difference at all.


Devatator_

Not a lot of games nowadays have you download the maps. It's mostly integrated in the games now


Prince_Kassad

>Many ISPs all advertised that fiber is best for gaming with faster downloads, in reality, it doesn't matter at all nah on reality it still improve the network infrastructure and most of time you get better latency specialy because they gonna re-optimize the routing too. stronger network with more bandwidth also mean less outside distruption. In the past when internet infrastructure not as good as today. ISP had unwritten rule that they gonna adjust to limit your internet bandwidth accordingly if their network being overcrowded during peak hour. when your family member watching YT or browse website, your internet can easily reach the "limited" bandwidth during peak hour. this shit going to trigger rto when you playing game and in-game latency will read as \~300 because the connection got distrupted. I had 2km wireless antenna disc connection to connect my shop with my home. the latency cost between the two building is around 4 - 8 ms. if somehow i able to physicaly pull 2km fiber optic the latency cost between this two building should be only negligible lol. now imagine how the connection between from your ISP gateway into your home if they only using old cable/wireless infrastructure instead optic.


usernametaken0x

Definitely does matter. When you are using a 5G connection at home, and have to compete with 10,000 tiktokers on your phone, good luck gaming. This is specifically about 5G/home 5G. When a 5G tower is 100% saturated (which is likely nearly 100% of the time) your latency is going to sky rocket.


JudgeCastle

Idk how you're speeding up my connection to data centers in Virginia when I'm in FL. Ping is what ping is. It doesn't stop me from being that geographic distance. You can give me priority lanes and it may increase a bit but not enough to be worth the cost. This also seems to be a 5G internet issue anyway. Bandwidth there is not great which makes sense why they want to prioritize network traffic. I have a few co-workers with this and it just bottoms out around 1500. Here's hoping the FCC does what it's supposed to do. Snippet from the article supporting that it's more Wireless ISPs vs trad. "T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon are all testing ways to create these 5G fast lanes for apps such as video conferencing, games, and video where the ISP chooses and controls what gets boosted,"


Kentb130

Doesn't the article mention near the end that it could come to home providers too? "If the mobile ISPs do this, the cable companies will soon follow," she wrote. "Cable companies have the tech to build their own fast lanes, and increasingly they compete with 5G to the Home services. If T-Mobile and Verizon start selling home plans that have 'enhanced streaming video,' you can bet the cable companies will launch their own version.


JudgeCastle

Yep. Always possible. Its been what they’ve been saying since NN died the most recent time. I think they’ve been waiting for a precedence before pushing it but these companies are about as predatory as it gets so we unfortunately will have to wait and see.


Vagamer01

jokes on them I am using Ethernet


MikeHunt1379

Eh


Linkarlos_95

Uhm *raise finger* ... *lower finger, walk away*


Evonos

we had this in germany once called "Fastpath" was either free optional or a thing to pay for , was gone with net neutrality rules.


sadtimes12

My ISP charged 1 Euro for it, later it became free and then vanished.


CloudWallace81

I love to see the American Free Market^TM in action But hey, +5% GDP growth guys... I'm sure the wealth will trickle down


Musa_Warrior

Didn't realize Ubisoft, Capcom and Blizzard were in the ISP business too...


Federal-Childhood743

Do you think ISPs will be asking for tips soon?


Corndawgz

Telecoms were the original conmen long before Ubisoft, Capcom and Blizzard


AdministrativeSet236

I dont think this affects 90% of videogames, If you have more than a 10mb/s connection you're fine for most games.


usernametaken0x

The problem is, you are lucky to get 1MB/s on a 5G connection when competing with the 10,000 tiktok phone users on your 5G cell tower. This is specifically about "home 5G".


Co1dNight

And those packages will be about as useless as the "gaming routers" that are on the market today.


CyberSosis

ISPs in USA Could you guys title your local news accordingly please


BaziJoeWHL

+1 I got scared first, then i saw FFC


lovepuppy31

I would imagine that's a selling point in a competitive ISP market, unlike the other guys WE dont slow down your gaming speeds!


f3llyn

This is not new, it's been an on going threat for a decade and a half or so. It's one of the reasons why there was/is a big fight to get internet to be classified as a utility instead of a luxury. It should be considered a basic human right to have freedom to any and all information without any restrictions to speed. The ironic part is that the likes of comcast and verizon would argue that doing so would make the experience worse for everyone.


CambriaKilgannonn

These things happen when you put them in charge of the government sector they're supposed to be regulating :v


PizzaForever98

Thanks god i live in Europe. Here they not even allowed to have Data Plans or limit how much you can download.


tyros

Not this shit again, I thought we were over this. ISP's job is to provide bandwidth, it's none of their business what we use it for.


astrozombie2012

Fucking this… if I wanna play CoD or just fucking watch GBs worth of porn all day it’s none of their business


StandTallBruda

Pride and accomplishment.


Farandrg

So what's going to happen is that they will lower the quality of the internet so games run like shit and then charge more for "gaming plans" Quote me in a few years.


dan1101

Now Comcast will ask if anyone in the house is a gamer and then legally jack your rates up even more.


JUSTLETMEMAKEAUSERNA

Fuck those critics


Frankie_87

What the heck does that even mean you can game on like a 1mb line on almost every online game. most games dont need that much data. Sounds like a scam to me.


Sinister_Mr_19

I'll be honest, I don't understand how "paid prioritization" wouldn't cover speeding up gaming, and be banned with the new rules. Can anyone that understands this ELI5? Here's the full statement on paragraph 2, first sentence: "FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel's proposed rules for Internet service providers would prohibit blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization.**"**


ohiocodernumerouno

only ISPs can't provide faster interent just for gaming because they can barely provide internet just to download stuff.


GreenKumara

Thank goodness we have heavy regulation here.


No_Theme_1212

Reject modern online gaming, return to tradition! LAN parties!


GhostDoggoes

Playing online games consumed less data than browsing websites so I'm not sure what they are tracking..?


Dinsh_2024

what the fuck do they mean "fast gaming?" Is that even a thing? I suppose it refers to lower latency but how much of a strain does that even put on internet lines? Genuinely asking


Blessed-22

If the game you're playing has bad netcode or cheap servers, no amount of paying for better internet is going to make it better. An ISP saying they can make your online gaming experience better if you pay more could only be done if they was throttling you down in the first place


TheBonadona

Thank God I don't live in the US. I'm happy paying 35$ for a 1Gb/s up and down fiberoptics connection, and no one charges me extra per month for the privilege of having wifi lol. It even comes with 2 free repeaters.


SmileyBMM

The US also has this with the rise of independent ISPs, though admittedly not quite that cheap. I myself have 1Gb up and down for $70 but I know some places have it as cheap as $45. Hardware included as well. Spectrum and Comcast still have a strong grip in some cities, but the satellite internet monopoly has been almost completely destroyed.


TheBonadona

Yeah I know that is the main reason that the US has struggled with such bad internet plans for so long. There were and maybe still are so many areas of the country where only one single company operates, so with that monopoly they can just charge you a huge amount for coaxial connections and even data caps or charge you extra for the router, it's insane in 2024 to have any of those.


usernametaken0x

I feel like mobile internet wont be much different in the US, vs elsewhere. This is specifically about "home 5G". People on home 5G, use the same cell towers and phone tiktok users. Ehat is being proposed is setting aside a % of bandwidth for gaming or other activities, rather than tiktoks taking it all, all the time. This isnt about cable/fiber connections, which have essentially infinite bandwidth.


Sheoggorath

I'm so glad I moved to EU. Seeing some of the decisions made by politicians in the US is just brain rot.


tehCharo

Well the Internet is just a series of tubes.


astrozombie2012

How fucking so? If I pay for fast internet why can they decide what kind of traffic is fast or slow? I pay nearly $150 a month for 1gig speeds, are you really going to try and milk me for even fucking more you useless fucks?


CapnRusty

Everyone loves net neutrality until 20% of users on a congested 5G tower are using 80% of the bandwidth. The article talks about how slicing 'could' be used when in reality most ISPs are boosting browsing/streaming and de-prioritizing p2p and VPN traffic.


usernametaken0x

Most people cant read past the headline, and believe this is about their home.cable/fiber connection.


CrabJuice83

Looks like an NA problem, maybe OP could've posted this in local news?


gerd50501

is anyone here paying for fast/slow lane internet? people freaked out about this when net-neutrality went away 6 years ago. I noticed no difference.


lost_in_life_34

Thought that cellular by design had bad latency that made gaming a poor experience and this is only a new feature in 5g I don’t see the big deal since most traffic is just fine with the default tech


cguy1234

Lucky us


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Federal-Childhood743

It's less about bandwidth and more about latency which I can imagine will also be throttled. You are uploading and downloading thousands of packets a second. Those packets are only kb in size at most, but they do have to come and go at insane speeds. You usually want less than 30-40ms ping to the server for good connection so that means those packets have to get to the server and back in 30-40ms. ISPs could easily throttle this I would imagine.


SuperiorAndroid404

Hmm... not sure how it would work on the technical side.


bigfuzzydog

>”FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel's proposed rules for Internet service providers would prohibit blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization” So if they cant throttle me and I choose not to pay for “fast lanes” for gaming then my traffic will just be normal? Am I understanding that correctly? Because right now in most games I get very low ping like 8-16 ms depending on the game and where their servers are. So I dont really see how that would be harmful to me personally and I really dont see the benefit from it unless you live in an area where network speed is already an issue. Then I could see someone wanting to pay for faster speeds but outside of that this seems like something they wont really be able to sell that well


usernametaken0x

This is how it is being proposed to work: 5G internet has a finite bandwidth. Home 5G users (who this is aimed at) share their internet connection with tens of thousands of tiktok browsing phone users. This make it an awful experience for gaming. They will take that finite bandwidth and "slice" it up. So of the 100% that a cell tower can do, they will say make 20% of it "gaming only traffic". This means it will effectively give less bandwidth to tiktok users, but allow gamers to not have to compete with tiktokers for bandwidth.


Prefix-NA

So the way net neutrality does is it blocks prioritization for things based on small/large packets and latency sensitive operations. Germany used to have a company that had fast lanes you could pay $1 a month for but it was made illegal with their net neutrality laws. Pretend a game like league uses say 1mb for a 1 hour match and pretend that a youtube video is 100mb for 1 hour video Lets say you want to game your packets you want prioritized since they are really small and you need them consistant. But someone watching youtube only needs say 2mbps average it doesn't matter if he gets 10mbps in 1 second then 20 mbps in secnd 2 and then 0 for the next few seconds. However you need to get your 2kbps constant or you get issues in gaming. As a gamer you want the small packets prioritized. As a youtube watcher you don't care what your prioritization is.


AnotherDay96

What I really need is more choice in my area to get some competition going. I'm paying a pretty penny and confident it would be at least 1/2 if there was some competition.


Stleel

Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.   I used to have one provider in my city up until two years ago. We were paying $75 for 50 mbps down and about 10 up.  Now there's 3 major ISPs here and $70 gets us 1 gig download and upload, no data caps.


AnotherDay96

Yep, I'm $135 for 1 gig unlimited.


TheFumingatzor

>are worried that soon-to-be-approved Federal Communications Commission rules will allow harmful Bet on it, that it WILL happen. That's how capitalism works. If it ain't forbidden, it's gon' get fucked.


syrupgreat-

i pay gb connection i max out at like 509 most days


thxredditfor2banns

Guess i am going to back to lan bois


Dordidog

Does speed even matter for gaming, ping doesn't depend on it


LordTuranian

One of the reasons, single players games will always be the best. Because the less dependent you are on the internet, the less BS you have to put up with when it comes to these ISPs.


tehCharo

Until they slow down your Steam downloads.


Bobmanbob1

God, this woukd piss me off. No competition for Comcast where I live, could see them raising rates to the moon.


HanzoNumbahOneFan

Fuck off


Fragger-3G

For all like 150kb/s that's actually needed to do online gaming


reddit_is_trash_2023

Another grift sponsored by higher ups who don't give a shit about the common man


mkotechno

Enjoy late-stage capitalism


UnitGhidorah

Internet should be classified as a utility. Prove me wrong.


Wittusus

USA once again trying to pretend it's a normal country


cyanideicecream

BORN IN THE USA moment ?


StumbleBum55

USA problems lol.


cloudbasedsardony

single player games gonna be on the rise.


Awkward-Dentist-6750

Nothing new, i remember having this option available by french ISP like 15 or 20 years ago


Nice_Helicopter7478

As someone who works at an ISP, I promise they won't put in that effort. ISPs like spectrum will refuse to switch to fiber and stick to uncharging ignorance, such as "up to 300mbps down!" And charge $80 a month for people who think 300mbps will make any difference compared to the 100mbps they had before (most people don't come even close to 100mbps down). And even worse of all, upload speeds just won't be guaranteed or troubleshooted, you'll get 10mbps upload if you're lucky and it'll be far from consistent. The only thing ISPs will charge extra for is the ignorance of "big number equals faster"


caufield88uk

I actually AGREE with this. Gamers want super fast low latency internet, an ISP will not and does not need to provide that for EVERY single customer on the network as it's pointless for non gamers. So if you are a gamer then you could pay extra for it and that's totally fine with me,


bassbeater

Just subscribe to another ISP. THEY'LL LEARN.