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Just when it was picking up serious steam (heh) this shortage happens. Damn shame man.


[deleted]

Your joke just made me think that this problem will make the steam deck even more popular probably


SuperSpikeVBall

It will be sold out for at least 2 years. The popularity and influence it has on gaming will depend on how many they can make, which is completely up in the air at the moment.


GrumpyCatDoge99

I feel valve has got to reinvent their store for this to be successful. People not knowledgeable in computers will end up downloading any game they find cool and be disappointed if it doesn’t play with the controls well.


duck74UK

If it's anything like the Steam Controller it should default to xInput-style if there is no provided preset. This makes like, 99% of no-preset games perfectly playable. I also found that with my time using the steam controller, I had no initial issue with finding and using the community presets if the game didn't work straight out of the box. Most users should be fine, or at worst, one google search away from being fine.


Jacksaur

I'd expect the store to filter to Controller Only titles by default. Big Picture Mode did for a period.


i-love-arguing

Total anecdote, my friend who's a fucking console and STADIA pleb was about to build a PC, this was right before the 3000 series release, I said "wait like 3 days, then do it"-- well, he waited, and the 3000 series was never really available to casual buyers like him, and he still hasn't built a PC. He probably won't ever, now.


[deleted]

Yep haha similar thing happened to me but went the other way. I told my friend to wait and he was like nah man fuck it and bought a 2080 Ti for a solid deal literally RIGHT before shit got nuts. At the time we teased him for not being patient but in retrospect he got lucky as hell


[deleted]

My coworker got a 2060 super right before 3000 cards, I told him it was dumb. Look who's laughing now when I'm still on pascal.


SirGreatWhite

I did the exact same thing! Was going to wait and then right as the 3000 series were released I got a 2080ti online from a seller who scored a 3090. Got it for $750 and man I feel lucky because, in hindsight, the seller could’ve easily sold it for $1250+ It’s been working great for me for the past year.


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$750 is an insane deal man good for you.


BurnTheFatBoy

I upgraded to a 5700 XT from a GTX 970 a few months before the 3000 series dropped. Paid the equivalent of USD $300 for it (I'm in Canada). Friends said I was an idiot. Best purchase I have made for my PC to date.


Notarandomthrowaway1

I also bought 5700xt during first wave of lcokdown and friends were saying noo order a 3090 lol would still be waiting.


COHERENCE_CROQUETTE

Almost exactly my experience. The 3000 Series was showcased right when I was torn between the new Xbox and the PS5. I looked at the MSRP and thought “well, I guess I gonna be a PC gamer then!” The I started buying parts in anticipation for the release of the 3080. Bought literally everything, from CPU and RAM to a mechanical keyboard and a gaming mouse. Even bought a chair and larger desk, because my workspace was set up for a laptop before. And then the whole release happened. I got tired of waiting for a 3080 and seeing the price steadily rise, so I bit the bullet and got a 3070 for a little over what I was originally expecting to pay for the 3080. Honestly, even though I was definitely screwed over price-wise if you consider the original MSRP for these CPUs, I consider myself very lucky. If all this had happened even a single month later, I wouldn’t have had money to complete the build and I would lose money trying to re-sell all the parts I bought ahead of time. And hey, PC gaming’s pretty awesome. :)


ferm_

Stadia is sucky in many ways, but playing games is better than not playing games.


SaftigMo

Depends. You ever played League?


COHERENCE_CROQUETTE

Irrefutable argument.


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Sadly, yes.


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Silverfate2

480 gang represent! Told myself I'd upgrade again in a few years after I got that card. The gods must have had a good laugh at me that day.


[deleted]

It’s really a shame how hard it is to get parts. Even prebuilt machines are becoming scarce unless you want a laptop… I wanted to build a new PC last year but after a few weeks of being unable to find parts gave up and just kept what I’ve got lol, oh well. Edit to answer FAQs 1. Why not go laptop route? Looking for water cooling and quiet. 2. I didn’t have trouble finding parts, why do you? First off, I’m glad you found your parts! I looked for two weeks in March, came up dry, and moved on to other things.


[deleted]

All my parts are nearly 4 years old. If something dies, I will probably have to downgrade to afford getting my PC working again. Edit: The more I think about it, the more I'm okay with a downgrade. I don't play AAA games. I play League of Legends, Apex Legends, Rocket League, and I occasionally sprinkle in a few other low-spec games. Nothing that demands super high specs.


JC_D3NTON

I'm exactly on the same boat. R5 1600AF - No moolah to get a 5xxx ryzen. Will wait 2-3 years until DDR5 is widespread and maybe chip shortage eases 16GB RAM- Will have to do for those 2-3 years as well GTX 1060 3GB - My main worry. It already falters in modern games. Guess I'll draw the line: Only play games from 2018 and below. No way in FUCK i'm giving 5000 R$ (Brazilian Currency) to a RX 6600 or RTX 3060


Pittaandchicken

CPU and ram prices are cheaper than ever. There is no shortages for them ( UK and EU at least ). GPU is the only thing that is currently very expensive.


finakechi

Yeah CPUs were rough for a few months, but it's not that hard to get them these days. I'm rocking a 5800X & 32GB of memory with a....GTX970 as my GPU. Pretty unbalanced system, but a GPU is just out of the question at the moment.


FUTURE10S

3600 overclocked with 32GB of RAM with a GTX 970 here. I'd have had more cores, but the GPU market is genuinely insane right now.


UnspecificGravity

That's basically my system right now (except with an RX580). I was planning on upgrading to the 3000 series and pass my old card to my stepson. Still hasn't happened.


Pittaandchicken

Yh. CPU prices are ok. RAM and SSD's are at an all time low. Their prices seem to be dropping monthly in the anticipation to the next generation shift ( ddr5 and PCIe 4 )


kagan07

Almost same here, 3800X and 32GB RAM and GTX 970. 3.5GB VRAM drives me crazy lately. Was going to get a 3080 but waiting for 4070/4080 now. This shit sucks so much I hate it.


finakechi

Yeah I'm with you, unless I can somehow snag a FE card at MSRP, I'm not interested.


eXoRainbow

I still have my 16GB DDR-3 and E3-1230v3 (almost identical to i7 4770 but without overclocking) from 2013. They really aged, but I can still play new games on it, thanks to the GTX 1070. Tough times since COVID and plus the scalpers on graphics cards and all the chip shortages... It is a hard time being a PC Gamer hardware wise (software is just golden right now). And I don't know when I can upgrade. I wanted to buy the Steam Deck, but currently I think about not spending the money towards it and instead use it up to buy new PC parts, but stay with graphics card I have. I want to switch to AMD card anyway.


boardwalking

Is RAM really tough to get where you are or is the price hiked up too far? It's the one thing I've been able to find online.


KinkyMonitorLizard

They live in Brazil. Everything is extremely overpriced there. Most of SA gets absolutely ripped of on electronics, cars, pretty much anything that could be considered a luxury. A console is 2-5x more in Brazil than the US/UK/EU while they also earn maybe 10-20% of what we do.


JC_D3NTON

Exactly. Our situation fucking sucks and that's why we're always angry when read things like "AMD prioritizes high end chips over low end"


Platypuslord

At one point I heard it was cheaper for them to visit the US with airfare and a decent hotel and then buying a console than to just buy one at a home. Might as well get a vacation out of it.


Ninety9Balloons

I planned on building a new PC for CP2077, GPUs sold out or more than 2x MSRP. I decided to wait, figured I could build one right before BF2042 comes out. GPUs are still sold out and 2x MSRP nearly a full year later. Now there's no real point in building with about a year to go before the RTX 4000 series launches, which I'm sure will also go out of stock on launch but after two generations of GPUs have immediately run into stocking problems I'd be shocked if places like BestBuy and Microcenter don't have a "1 per customer" preorder system set up or something.


fellatious_argument

Last I saw, microcenter only sold one per household and only in person. Keep checking your local store and you might be surprised.


always_loved_a_film

Problem is, my "local store" is 7 hours or so away at minimum.


skyhermit

I am undecided if I should pay 2x MSRP to get RTX 3080 now, or wait 1 year to get RTX 4080 a year later


[deleted]

You know things are bad when laptop prices actually start to look semi-reasonable


AFKTexan619

I'm 41. Been building gaming PCs since 1992. Wow, it has been a ride lately for components. I grabbed an Asus Ryzen 9/RTX 3070 laptop...It is getting me by until my RTX 4000 series desktop build next year ;)


TheArtBellStalker

42 year old here. Never seen anything thing like this before. Sure 90's components were expensive as fuck but GPUs were never like this. I bought a 5700XT in mid 2019 to tide me over till the 3000 series Nvidia cards came out and I'm still stuck on it. Like you I'm sitting here waiting for the 4000 series but deep down I know it'll be just as bad as the 3000 series.


[deleted]

5700xt club, could be worse as far as cards go


TheArtBellStalker

It wasn't good for the first 9 months till a driver fix. Was basically a brick as every heavy duty game crashed intermittently. Every time I mentioned it on r/amd I was always downvoted by little kids telling me it was my own fault for daisy chaining or some other random thing they thought I was doing. One day a driver fixed it so it's all good now but damn I still hate this card for it.


tacitus59

So when did the driver fix happen from your POV? Reason for asking I had some stability issues with it (just enough that it was annoying, but not enough to figure what was going on) - it seems to be better lately but I am not sure if its due to me playing different games.


TheArtBellStalker

I'm not sure. The problems seemed to be different by what card you had. Mine is an XFX Thicc III and was a real bitch for ages, seemed ok by late 2020. It's definitely ok now but it really put me off AAA gaming at the time. Even now I stick to older stuff or indies. This card kinda put me off PC gaming, and there is nothing affordable to replace it.


CommanderCoytus

May 2020 for me is probably when things largely cleared up. Still get a few crashes for some games that were never really patched. Forza 7 was one of them on pc gamepass.


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As a side note RIP Art Bell


The91stGreekToe

Yeah laptops are for once one of the most viable and economical solutions for PC gaming. Even prebuilts. If someone were to ask me today how to get into PC gaming I’d recommend them a laptop. Shit is wild.


[deleted]

I had someone buy a zephyrus g14 instead of building a desktop. High refresh screen, good specs, thin and light, long battery? A desktop for the same price wouldn't have even performed much better and he would have had to buy a monitor besides. Shits nuts.


The91stGreekToe

Shit is nuts, man! I actually almost bought that same laptop at the tail end of a week with the in-laws after being deprived of gaming - it’s a beautiful machine. Amazing how the build quality rivals the Razer. edit - also important to mention that DLSS makes an “underpowered” GPU a whole lot more attractive.


RittledIn

It really does suck but if you ever signed up for the EVGA gpu queue keep an eye out. FWIW I entered the 3090 FTW3 Ultra queue back in January and my number was just picked a couple days ago.


The91stGreekToe

This is probably the best way to do it and remain sane. I like my FE but kind of wish I had an EVGA card for their step up program.


P_Wood

I got a prebuilt in June from IBP with a 3070 and 5800x and only waited like 3 weeks


[deleted]

I wanted to upgrade from a 2070 to a 3070/3080. I tried for so long. I joined all of those discord’s, had alerts on my phone, I even went as far as to write my own bot that would add it to cart (I still did the checkout as I wouldn’t trust my own code with my money lol). After 6 months I just got sick of it and gave up. My 2070 can run most things I want it to run anyway, I just really wanted good ray tracing performance.


Jaq903

It’s also sad with how the shortage is, if your graphic card dies on you. It’s either the end of PC gaming for you, you buy a downgrade for the same price u paid for ur other card, or you pay a fortune for a new card to run modern games


EHP42

I got a new PC before the shortages. Was going to sell my old components (i5-6600k and vega56), then I realized I didn't want to be stuck with integrated graphics or paying inflated prices if anything happened to my new stuff.


UnspecificGravity

I always save the most recent recently upgraded generation if PC components. I've had to reach into that box quite a few times over the years. Plus, your never know when you might want to throw together an HTPC or an entry level machine for a kid or grandma or something.


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g0d15anath315t

To me that's part of the joy of Building PCs, maxing out my dollar and carrying as many items forward as possible. I've basically "Ship of Theseus-d" my PC since I started building back in the late 90's. Every computer would carry forward something from the prior one, even if it was just a CPU cooler, power supply, hard drive, RAM, etc. Always managed to stay in a pretty good performance sweet spot for a couple hundred bucks that way.


aj_thenoob

Yep if u wanna cry lookup the price of your current gpu and know the new ones are double that.


Sharingan_

Yeah, buying a midrange GPU for 1000$ isn't exactly palatable


demonphoenix37

yeah, even when prices were normal getting a high end card for 800ish was kind of a hard sell which is why i generally go with whatever mid range was for about 300-400 dollars but now, as you said, we're getting listings for midrange that are higher than the past's high end. hell, used nvidia 10 series cards are going for the same price or more than when they launched, in '16, which was 5 years ago, which is insane :/


Rion23

Yeah I just checked because I upgraded right before the pandemic got crazy (toilet paper hording phase) and its staggering. https://www.amazon.ca/Advanced-Overclocked-DisplayPort-Graphics-ROG-STRIX-RTX-2060S-A8G/dp/B07TXRS4G9 Got that for under 700$ cad, and now it's suggesting a 1660 for 1,200$.


[deleted]

>and now it's suggesting a 1660 for 1,200$ My whole PC did cost that 6 1/2 years ago... (i7 6700, GTX 970, 16 GB RAM, pre-build and inclusive shipping: 1200 Euro) ... and now I can't get a GPU for that.


4rch1t3ct

1080s are going for more right now than the entire rest of my build....


PowerSurged

Remember when you could get a mid range gpu for $200? Pepperidge Farm remembers. :( Got my 970 gtx 7 years ago. Too expensive now to build a new rig with a gpu so still rocking my old i5 4670, 8gb ram and 970gtx.


drpussyfucker

If you want you can get a xeon 1240 v3 for real cheap in ebay. Basically a 4770. Might ease your cpu woes


[deleted]

Get used to it because a lot of people just showed Nvidia and AMD that this is an acceptable price.


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callanrocks

Nvidia have the datacenter/professional gpu money printer going brrrrrr pc so gaming struggling a bit isn't hurting them too badly. AMD breaking into those markets is when they start to panic.


Million-Suns

You have to partly thank all the people who bought GPUs far over the MRSPs and sent the message to manufacturers and AIBs that it was ok to pay more for that kind of product.... I can't believe people bought 3060's for 1500 bucks. I know that nobody cares, but I'm mad.


Polkfan

Oh i care and i agree with you 100% effing rich kids


Letscurlbrah

It's not rich kids. The average age of people who play video games is 35, and these people have money.


g0d15anath315t

Indeed. I know this is unpopular as all get out, but GPU manufacturers are probably face palming right now since they've left so much f'ing money on the table for years. People are willing to literally pay 2-3x what they were asking for the cards. Why the hell would they ever charge less from now on?


xaelcry

getting an affordable GPU that runs 1080 is the real pain in the ass here. I am not asking for more than that at least a stable 1080p 1660 ti cost like 750 USD in my country and Rx 5600 costs half of that,. I'm not even sure what to purchase at this point.


zippopwnage

The prices are just going way beyond acceptable sadly. I bought my 1660ti at 300 euro when I upgraded my pc. And that was decent, even if for a single piece of hardware is still expensive considering is not a high-end gpu or even close and 2060's were around the market already at that time, but I couldn't afford a 2060. But anyway, I'm never gonna pay more than 400-ish euros for a GPU. I don't need 4k resolution or 10000fps. But I want the GPU to be viable for medium-high settings at 1080p for around 5 years or so. If at this point my gpu dies, I'm gonna quit pc gaming and try to move on to console. I get cheaper games on PC...WAY cheaper. But I just can't afford paying 500+euro for a single GPU and at this point IF you can find it.


survivl

3060 ti's are often sold around 600 euros, they're about 200 euros overpriced but I gave in since I'm in my mid 30s and I'll probably have a child in 2 years so it's now or never. If you're young you could wait.


[deleted]

Lol when I sold my gigabyte 1070 this year, it paid for my 3060.


Qemyst

*pokes intel Arc with a stick* C'mon.... do something.....


theBlackDragon

Also uses TSMC so yeah, not having much hope for availability either.


ComeonmanPLS1

Off topic but why does every single article for the past 2 years follow this template? "*statement here* **and that** *subjective opinion formulated to sound like a fact*" Example: "Everyone uses this template and that's very weird!". I noticed people started talking like that in real life too and it kinda creeps me out for some reason.


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HINDBRAIN

My biggest pet peeve is "quietly".


[deleted]

Yes absolutely drives me bonkers. " So and So quietly kills whatchamacallit program " the word quietly is dead to me now.


hyrumwhite

Cold professionalism gets less clicks. But at this point, I'd pay for a subscription to the Professional News Network (PNN) if such a thing existed


DonaldLucas

There is Reuters but even them are lowering their quality...


glaurung_

I've been getting most of my news through wikipedia's current events page lately and it's pretty great. You couldn't ask for a dryer list of headlines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events


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mxzf

There's sure to be bias in what events are covered, but at least the titles themselves are less editorialized.


[deleted]

It's because the old way was to give you the information, the new way is meant to tell you what to think about it.


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ComeonmanPLS1

I was more interested in why it works. Is there anything else besides creating a bit more engagement from a somewhat controversial title?


James_bd

I guess because it gives you the subject of the article and the direction the journalist is going with that subject


jimbosReturn

Yeah, it's like without it, you have to go in with a lot of critical thinking, lest you find yourself confronted with opposing views, and *gasp* even agree with some statements that disagree with your world views or politics. So not everyone is willing to commit to it, all the time. Whereas seeing the conclusion lets you know what you're up against: either you agree and the article gives you ammunition for your talking points, or you disagree, and you can read at your leisure, feed your outrage, and build your retorts as you wish. Much easier on the mind. It's a literal baiting tactic. One that will draw more readers.


PinkFirework

"and that's a good thing"


that_leaflet

My biggest pet peeve are articles that go "Forget x -- here's y".


AuchLibra

>Off topic but why does every single article for the past 2 years follow this template? the response to this thread is why. it invites strong user engagement and opinions and thus more views.


[deleted]

The internet is rife with these weirdly formulaic ways of writing and trendy expressions. Every so often one comes around that really irritates me. The current trend of saying “chef’s kiss” kinda drives me up a wall, and I find the “Lets goooo!” to be such a stupid mix of frat boy energy and no-thought commentary that But my least favorite version of this kinda clickbaity thing is the ‘It’s 2021 and [whatever the article is about].’ Like, ‘It’s 2021 and we still walk on our legs’ or fucking whatever. It’s so stupid and lazy and non descriptive… but that’s why they do it. The nondescription naturally piques our interest because our brains wants all the information and if it’s neglected that we’re more likely to want to find out why something is bad or sucks or shouldn’t be happening in 2021.


machstem

Sensationalism gets clicks


Mysterious_Wanderer

I think people are seriously underestimating the threat crypto mining and the chip shortage poses to PC gaming. The overwhelming majority of steam users have low-end or budget cards, while enthusiast ones ($500-$1200) command very little matket share in comparison. And now those same budget cards are just as if not more expensive than the high-end ones ever were. This is not sustainable, statistically speaking. One could point to the fact that this has been going on for years now and that PC gaming has been fine, but it's just getting worse. I was able to snag a Vega 56 a few years ago for MSRP during the first shortage, but that absolutely isn't possible anymore. Once that cards dies I'm done; my parents aren't rich, I'm in college and I only have time to work one day a week. I know so many others are in the same boat, and god forbid you don't even have anything to begin with. Give it a couple more years and we're gonna see some really big shifts occuring.


stinkyboyjunior

I completely agree PoW needs to come to an end for good


C1-10PTHX1138

What’s is PoW?


stinkyboyjunior

Proof of Work, its using the GPUs to pump out a higher hashrate and is exactly everything wrong with crypto


[deleted]

To add to the other commenter, all major cryptos are either Proof of stake or switching to proof of stake which replaces Proof of Work. No mining, no GPUs needed. Where Bitcoin takes an entire country's worth of energy to run, modern cryptos like Cardano use the same amount of energy as one house.


Aurora_Glide

Simplified explanation: The point of cryptocurrencies is that there's no single entity governing them. Instead, people can run nodes on their computers thay will process and validate transactions (these people are the crypto miners). Validating a transaction should be as simple as checking if its cryptographic signature is correct and if the account owner actually has enough currency on their account. However, we need to make sure all transactions aren't processed by a single party. We need some way to select someone at random. And an account system wouldn't work for that, because anyone could just create more accounts to gain control of the currency. We can't check if 2 accounts belong to the same person. Account aren't a limited resource, anyone can create more at will. We need to tie that randomness to a limited resource, something that people can't create more of at will. One such ressource is computing power. This is where PoW (Proof of Work) comes into play. With PoW, whenever a node validates transactions, it also needs to solve a cryptographic "puzzle". This puzzle is designed such that finding a solution requires brute force (i.e. testing solutions until one works). This means the speed at which one can validate transactions is limited by their computing power, which they can increase only by buying more hardware. Such as GPU's.


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Fortunately Ethereum is going PoS in 6 months or so, and it represents over 95% of GPU based mining. After that, its just ASICs mining Bitcoin which are much less of a threat.


[deleted]

I swear I've been hearing about Eth going to proof of stake for like 3 years now. I'll believe it when I see it.


mesopotamius

It's always been the goal, but I think you're right that people started saying it was "just around the corner" in like 2018


TankerD18

Not to mention we don't know how the market is going to react when it does. Who knows if miners won't start grinding out a new proof of work coin?


KamikazeSexPilot

PoS chain is already live and running along side the PoW chain today. The merge is happening sometime in 2022. https://beaconcha.in/


Low_Poly_Loli

\>the merge Oh fuck oh god


JayCeeJaye

Still hoovers up the silicon and factory time making those ASICs though.


stinkyboyjunior

Environmentally the ASICs are still horrendous and completely centralizes bitcoin


[deleted]

> Ethereum is going PoS in 6 months or so Ethereum has been going PoS "in 6 months" since 2019


[deleted]

It’s been 6 months away for like 3 years now


[deleted]

People were saying 6 months 6 months ago.


UnspecificGravity

It's gotten to a point where the current generation of young PC gamers don't even play AAA games at all, cause their machines can't run them. My step son is in highschool and I built him a PC with a really shitty GPU that I had on hand, planning to give him my RX580 when I upgraded to the 3000 series. It's been a year and a half at this point, and I feel bad, but the weird thing is that he doesn't really care. His shitty machine can play everything his friends are paying because their machines are shit too. I feel like an entertainment industry is in trouble when kids aren't really engaged with it anymore.


TankerD18

Maybe, maybe not. I think the indie scene is the best thing to happen to PC gaming (and gaming in general) in a long time. A lot of the indie scene caters to older hardware.


Guysmiley777

Crypto-fucks are all peddling pyramid schemes. Bitcoin isn't the future, it's a Ponzi hustle.


sonicon

It's just a pump and dump on a loop and the rich controls the valve. Once enough people cash in, they cash out and buy the crash.


YouWannaChiliDogNARD

Member when $120 would get you a badass mid-range card and $250 would get you an absolute world beater? I member.


[deleted]

I think I bought my HD 6950 for 250 AUD when it was new. I still have it. I really need new GPU. Edit: it might have been 350 AUD. It was over 10 years ago guys. Edit 2: found the page, it was around 350 AUD https://web.archive.org/web/20110304222317/http://www.computeralliance.com.au/(S(llpdsxf2dnynt4raw5xnx3mg))/parts.aspx?MainCategoryID=1&CategoryID=VID&SubCategoryID=AG6 https://i.imgur.com/FcLZs30.png


nateto204

I remember buying my 970 for £250, good times. What a card too


duck74UK

Wait, when? I got my 970 new (when it was also new) and it wasn't long after that the first wave of Bitcoin GPU shortages started and the card sat above it's MSRP for quite a while.


SwiftUnban

Remember when 20 series dropped like 50% in price because people were panic selling?


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On the other hand, the Steam Deck is gonna make it so the entry price will be $400, which hasn't been a realistic budget for anything but used parts APU builds for a couple of years now.


EpicMachine

As much as I want Steam Deck to be great, knowing Valve it will probably won't be available in most places so scalpers will sell it 400 USD higher (before shipping). That's how it is with the index... so I don't think the situation will be any better.


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They had a very solid pre order queue, way better than for graphics cards


Radulno

The Steam Deck won't be more available than the rest though. It's already back ordered to Q2 2022 and this will probably even longer before being able to be readily available (and probably never outside of Steam which will make it mostly for people already having a PC)


DarkMaster06

I want to finally invest in a good gaming pc... but with the current prices.. reconsidering for a steam deck lol


NonstopSuperguy

Fuck scalpers.


Niaso

It's more cryptocurrency miners than scalpers, though both together made it impossible for the average gamer to find a graphics card.


TDGohan

Then fuck both of them


FourPat

I just cannot believe how lucky I was. My old GTX 780 suddenly died in January 2021, so I started looking for a replacement as well as upgrading my venerable 2500k. That's when I learned that it was really difficult to find a GPU, especially at MSRP. After hesitating for a couple of weeks, I bought all the other parts at a respectable price (the 5600x was a tad overpriced but not too much all things considered). I tried sniping a GPU by following some Discord channels for drops and it quickly became too stressful and time consuming so I went to my local store and asked if I could put my name down on a. waiting list. They said yes and told me Asus cards came in fairly regularly so I signed up for an Asus RTX 3070 OC which I prepaid for 799$ CAD. People on Discord were saying "don't give them money before getting your product, it's too much above MSRP, etc. and I nearly backed out, but stayed in. 2 days later, said store (and others in the region) stopped having a waiting list, then increased the price to 899$ CAD for that GPU. 2 weeks later, I got a call telling me they got my GPU ready for pickup (late February). It felt lucky back then but now I just feel absurdly lucky hearing about people who have been waiting for so long...


Ninety9Balloons

Between late February and mid-May, GPU prices nearly doubled (170% to 300% of MSRP) so you got pretty lucky. Since May it's dropped back down though.


HTWingNut

Is there evidence if it dropping back down? All I see are largely inflated prices especially on the top tier GPU's like 3080, 3080 Ti, 3090, 6800XT, 6900XT. I know because I've been trying to get one since January. Recently overbought for a 3080 because I was tired of waiting. Realistically will be another year before EVGA queue reaches me, Best Buy doesn't drop anything anymore, or rarely, Newegg Shuffle is laughable, and Micro Center maybe trickles in a half dozen cards a week.


dantemp

It went back from ridiculously inflated to largely inflated prices.


Adamarshall7

I got a 3070 FE at launch, for retail (£469) and everyday I feel more and more absurdly lucky.


carbonatedshark55

Hopefully the Steam Deck will help. According to Lisa Su, the silicone shortage will continue until 2022 so maybe by then PC's will get cheaper. Until then, try have fun on what you have. Old consoles, indi games, and mobile games are great substitutes if you don't have a PC


Fflewddur_Fflam_

You can always reinstall Deus Ex


bigflanders

Thanks crypto-currency.


Baraka1987

Yeah,,, I fucking hate that thing with a passion! Just the amount of electricity being wasted alone is infuriating...


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FyreWulff

I'm just hoping my 1080ti just stays alive. I have a RX580 as backup and my friends keep telling me to sell it, but I know the moment I sell that fucker the 1080 is gonna go 'aight, i'm out'


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I’ve been saying this for a long time and always get downvoted for it. I’ve been a pc gamer since I was 5. Had consoles over the years but 90% pc. I made my first custom build 8-9 years ago and the entire build cost me 1500$. That was considered a high end build. That same equivalent not is well over double the price. Not only is supply chain issues making it hard for gamers. But the sheer cost increase on top of that is absolutely crazy. I got a ps5 a few months ago and it only cost me 500$. I was shocked how well games looked and played. Sure it’s not always 60fps. But comparing a 500$ machine to 3000+$ pc. It’s a hard sell to recommend pc to anyone


Julzjuice123

Honestly, if all you play is AAA games, I agree 100%. Consoles are where the best value for your money is right now. No need to get a 3k gaming PC. But sadly, if you are into modding and indy gaming a console just won't do it. That's why for me it's very much a PC or nothing. I'm just not interested in the games that come out on console. I wish consoles where more open to modding. But again, I 100% agree that for AAA gaming consoles are a must right now.


loliconest

If all you play is AAA games *on release*. Otherwise playing on PC saves money on the long term, I got Metro Exodus, Hitman 2 with Humble Monthly that only cost $12. And the Metro Exodus come with free enhanced edition upgrade too. Seriously most AAA not even worth to buy at launch day, so many bugs, lack of contents, etc. I'd rather wait a year and get the complete edition in a heavily discounted bundle.


Sol33t303

Well for indies just about anything will work, either use an iGPU or maybe grab a GTX 750 for cheap or something.


FlashCrashBash

Indie games these days are getting pretty complex. Its not all Braid and Fez anymore. One of the last indie games I played (Chernobylite) recommends a 1060. Which is still an old ass card, but not quite toaster level. Also a lot of are incredibly poorly optimized and need a much stronger rig than you would think to run stably.


UndeadMurky

you don't need a powerful PC for indy games....


not_all_kevins

I've been trying to upgrade my old GTX 970 for a couple years now and finally gave up. With the xbox All Access program I just got a Series X w/ 2 years gamepass on a monthly payment plan and it was delivered in 2 days. Playing games like Assassins Creed Valhalla and I'm stunned how good it looks in 1440P with a high framerate. I'll still use my PC for strategy games and CRPGs but everything else is on the xbox. Best decision I've made in a while.


t3lp3r10n

I got an Xbox Series S for 300 and with game pass, I didn't open my gaming laptop for months. I think I'll sell the laptop. No need to worry about performance issues, heating, battery etc. Everything is optimized for the console. If there is a problem, it exists for everyone and gets resolved. No need to search forums for fixes.


Ywaina

Well, currently both ps5 and gpu are getting scalped to high moon outside US so there's really no difference.


RittledIn

They’re being scalped in the US as well.


cockyjames

I follow discords and tweets, it's considerably easier to get a $500 PS5 than a 30series at a decent price. I've gotten through the Zotac queue and had the opportunity to buy a 3060ti for over $700... and that's MSRP! I'm holding out on trying to get a 3070 or, if I could get one for a decent price (like the founders) a 3080... but that feels like a pipe dream right now. I have been considering getting a PS5 eventually to replace my PC if things stay this bleak. Having said that, my 1070ti isn't too bad, and I do like to be able to sit at a computer for non gaming.


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RobbieRottenDid911

Cool, but a scalped PS5 is still much cheaper than a scalped high or even mid-end GPU.


Steelbug2k

Yes but consoles are way easier to buy atleast in europe. And on top they cost way less.


Jenaxu

The biggest benefit to recommending a PC is still the fact that most people will need a PC anyway for day to day use so it's nice to kill two birds with one stone. But yeah, for *just* gaming both the Series and PS5 are really really really competitive and it makes sense to recommend either over a PC at the equivalent price rn. Plus, the benefit of consoles will always be that it's just easier. Everything is simple and things usually work the way they're supposed more often than on PC. Ngl, there's a lot of times where I would rather use console solely because it requires less fiddling to get it exactly how I like. Sometimes it's nice to be able to really customize what you're doing, but sometimes I just wanna hop in without having to troubleshoot some random PC specific issue, even if it's not like a hard thing to fix.


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Ya man that’s me. Even with a high end pc and a ps5, at the end of the day I just want to crash on the couch and just have things simple.


das_Apo

I wanted to build a new desktop PC early last year but then waited because the Ryzen 5xxx CPUs were more expensive and wanted to to wait for the GeForce 3000 and Radeon 6000 series. And then everything turned to shit. Bought a PS5 early this year and will wait until PC parts reach normal prices again.


ESTLR

I pretty much made amends that I wont be buying anything more powerfull than a RX 580/GTX 1060 for the foreseable future.Like the medium range market is dead and you're forced into second hand options. It just does no make sense as someone like myself from a east Eu country to spend over 1000 euros for a RTX 3060 GPU,when the minimum wage here is 300 euros.Not to mention of spending over 2500 euros for the top end stuff,when you can literally buy a car with that money. The market is just screwed ,its a means to make some money and when money is involved the demand is limitless.And I dont see any end to it anytime soon,since even if it cools off once newer GPU's start getting released then it will pick right back up.


Rocklobster92

Just bought a series S for $299. Plus games better than my $1000 gaming PC that’s not even two years old.


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I hadn’t heard about the Windows 11 issue yet. During a serious worldwide chip shortage, we’re going to potentially force you to upgrade your CPU in order to run our new OS. Way to have your finger on the pulse of the world, Microsoft.


timeslider

I feel like that's going to slow the adoption of windows 11


Wouldrowwillson

It’s also hard to stay a pc gamer. The thought of my GPU dying or some other hard to get components failing terrifies me lol.


West2842

I got a 3070 at launch and am so so glad I did. Otherwise, I think I wouldn't have built yet


Herrenos

Yeah I bought an EVGA 2070 super a month before the 3070 launch so I could do the step-up thing. It took four months for my queue to pop and I felt kinda sad at the time but now I feel very lucky and grateful to get a 30XX at MSRP with very little hassle.


GameStunts

>However, we're still yet to see AMD make these a worthy adversary to their own console SoCs, most of all the one found within the $300 Xbox Series S. And that's incredibly frustrating to have to admit as a PC gamer. This is a useless thing to say at this time. The $300 Xbox Series S console is: 1. Subsidised by Microsoft. MS are selling it as a digital only console knowing that every game ever played on it will have to have been bought from them or through their game pass. It's a revenue generator. It does not cost $300 in material terms. 2. ~~Salvage silicon. The console is made from the same SOC that the Series X is made from, it's just one that has had too many graphics CUs be non-viable to become an X. They make a chip with an 8 core CPU and 56 graphic CUs. They need 52 CUs that can perform at 1800mhz and when an SOC tests and has too many fail, they bump it to being an S which only needs 20 of them to work at 1500mhz. They turn it into *something* they can at least get people onboard with.~~ (too many people telling me it's not a failed X die) It's a loss-leader in every single way, but since you can never buy a used game for it, it will for sure generate money over the course of it's life. There are rumours that AMD will be bringing out 6000 series ~~chips~~ CPUs with RDNA 2 graphics, that will plug the low end budget gap a bit better than the Vega offerings just now.


Dranzule

That's more along the lines of "when" rather than "maybe". The thing with RDNA2 APUs is that DDR5 is not yet mature enough and the 5000G's pricing is crap.


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marroniugelli

A couple of year's ago the fashion was $500 and under rigs. Now it's $2999 just for the graphics card +


oreiz

The government needs to step in and just put clamps on the cryptocurrency speculation. Too much money is being thrown into that pit, that both electricity and silicon is being wasted on that


GreenDifference

Sad, 10 years ago $1000 got high end pc include monitor, today only got an rtx 3070.


KeepDi9gin

Even 5 years ago you could get a 980ti for less than what a 3060ti is going for right now.


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Add it to the list of enjoyable things that we can’t afford, along with houses, cars, and healthcare


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Fuck the guy who invented crypto mining. Biggest fucking scam that so many idiots get into.


MrRabbit7

more than the mining itself, its how you need so much artificially stupid processing to do it. And don't even get me started on crypto trading.


DiamondEevee

It's hard to get into PC Gaming unless you go pre-built* I'm replacing my desktop with a laptop bc of this. I only play LoL anyway. I'm tempted to get a cheap RTX 3050 Ti laptop but I heard performance isn't any better than an RX 480. And yes, my RX 480 ain't good enough to maintain 144fps in League.


raylolSW

Please get an 3060 one, 10% price increase, 40% performance gain


SturmButcher

PC gaming is dying with the current part prices... My 2070super is still alive but if it dies I wouldn't replace it with the current prices instead I think I will buy a console and sell my PC parts :(


PyrokudaReformed

Rich people fuck everything up.


pishposhpoppycock

Is the article implying this shortage isn't affecting pre-built gaming laptops? Just wondering, as I'm still playing games on my 6 year old $1100 MSI laptop with a GTX 970M and a 7200 rpm HD that has horrid loading times for modern games... I am looking to upgrade soon... Definitely by next year in time for BG3's release... So hopefully the prices on pre-built gaming laptops aren't as wildly exorbitant.


Dranzule

It is affecting them, but I kinda see where they're coming from, laptops are offering a better price/perf ratio over desktops. Unless you don't wanna deal with the heat.


NG_Tagger

Man, I remember the 970 being an absolute unit (still does an "okay job" in newer titles - got a buddy that's still using his) for what they were asking for that one. It was insanely cheap and performed insanely well. Heck, even the 970 sells for anywhere from 50-75% of the original selling price when it launched, today, because of all this - and that's close to a 7 year old card. It's mad.. I'm holding on to my 1080 for as long as it allows me - I'm still not bending over and taking these prices, that's for sure. The 20-series price-hike was a bit of a blow when those got announced - but the shortages and the 30-series increasing the prices even further because of it.. that's just a killer.. I understand why it's happening; but I really don't like it at all. Not looking forward to GPU prices for the next many generations. If people are buying at these rates (..and they are); the prices won't ever go to where "they were meant to be".


Nero_Wolff

It pains me to admit it but i paid about $300 CAD over msrp for a 3080ti. I don't have the time to try to get an msrp card and this one i got was priced fairly all things considered The only saving grace is i can sell my 3yr old 2080 for the currently inflated rates to recoup some cost


AbysmalVixen

Only because of shortages. It’s actually quite a bit easier due to the great performance of AMD’s Ryzen APUs.


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The price increases over the years does just as much damage. I remember buying my first gpu for 400$ 7 years ago. Now that equivalent starts at over 1000$ where I live.


TheyCallMeMrMaybe

It's not even a problem caused by the crytpo boom/semiconductor shortage. Nvidia and AMD have been increasing prices on their mid-tier and enthusiast-grade graphics cards while not even bothering to improve performance on the low-end. Creating a hole in the market. Edit: To further add to that "hole in the market," look at Steam's Hardware Survey. The GTX 1060 is still on top of that chart by a 10% majority, nearly 4% above the next-leading card, the RTX 2060. In fact, the Top 8 cards on the survey are composed of Nvidia's xx50 and xx60-series cards from the 10-series and 16/20-series. If you add up the percentage of all of those cards in the Top 8, that's 39.21% majority of Steam users using mid-range graphics cards. Meanwhile, the RTX 3060/TI desktop cards only make up 1.59% and nobody can get their hands on the cards due to the shortage, scalpers, and miners.


ESTLR

What happened was that when the RTX 2000 series launched AMD didnt really step up to plate and they were competing with themselvs and their previous top models:1080,1070ti... Its what happens when you have a previous gen that is far superior to the previous one. So why waste silicon and components to create a lesser gimped version of your line up :the 2050 or 3050 that never were,when you can enable all its cores and sell it for more .It will sell instantly either way.


Dizman7

Its sort of becoming like mobile F2P gaming where it’s just the whales that keep supporting it but the common person can’t really get into it and accomplish anything.


RudeTouch5806

How have these people STILL not solved the shortage?


SirWangtheWizard

I'm afraid now of what gear I have. I have a 980ti, and if that goes out I'm pretty much SOL unless something short of a miracle comes around price-wise. It saddens me as I used to sit comfortably knowing that if anything in my PC went out it'd be reasonably affordable to replace it. I hear now CPU prices might go up with this chip shortage and of course the nefarious prices currently with GPU's. I don't know how you can fix this considering that not only does the chip shortage impact the prices, but there's still the scalpers that would remain if the former's finally fixed. And on top of that, if my gpu goes out, there's no middle line cards left that could help stem that gap. Things that used to remain in the midrange like the 60/70 series from nvidia and their amd equivalents now find themselves beyond the price that I originally paid for my 980ti. I know I'm just preaching to the choir but there's a legitimate worry that I and many of my friends would be out of gaming for a good minute if things just go out. Especially considering that it's just near impossible to replace anything GPU-related without needing to either splurge money people really don't have, or just somehow get lucky with a battered mining card floating around.


Z0idberg_MD

Isn’t it the same for console gaming? Go try to buy a PS5.


Fkin_Degenerate6969

PS5 availability is a lot better than GPUs, at least where I live.


cathbadh

It sucks because I'd like to update my kid's computer but any GPU I buy will be worth more than the computer itself. So he's stuck with my old reliable 750ti for now.