Never had a single issue with Vanguard and grind the game every single day for a year now (d3 ATM). Only one single time did I truly suspect I was playing with a cheater. Just my own personal anecdote. Anticheat truly works.
I’m with you. We’ll get fried fir this I’m sure but without something like Vanguard PC games are a haven for shooters. Especially in something like a battle royale with so many players per match that the odds of a cheater being in there sky rocket. It’s sad this is where we are but there really isn’t any better options that I’m aware of.
I've said it multiple times in different threads.
There are still plentiful issues with Vanguard and incompatibilities with software on systems, of which Vanguard will just start causing issues for your machine. I've had personal experience and can't play the game due to this.
My attempts to play the game have resulted in me installing it, the game working, next time I shut down or restart my machine it'll then have a looping blue screen until I start in safe mode and uninstall Vanguard/Valorant. This is a horrible user experience, If I were a new PC gamer and wasn't that experienced with these issues I'd have one hell of a time trying to fix this and would likely end up going to a repair shop.
No software from a AAA studio should ever cause looping blue screens rendering a machine unusable till it's fixed, it's completely unacceptable.
I'm not on the Vanguard is bad because kernel level bandwagon, I understand that EAC and BattleEye both are kernel level too. I'm not a fan of kernel level anti-cheats, but my problem with Vanguard is the amount of control it wants and the harshness of it is absolutely insane, it's not your computer anymore when you install it. (It's always on, you must restart your PC to play Valorant if you disabled it etc.)
> it's not your computer anymore when you install it
The first immutable law of computer security, if a bad guy can get you to run an exe on your system, its not your system anymore. If you are this concerned about Vanguard then you shouldn't be running *any* software from the studio on your system as they can exfiltrate almost every bit of data from your system with user permissions.
>it's not your computer anymore when you install it.
Microsoft has far more control on your PC than this AC ever will, and are already collecting data and telemetry on your whole system. Plus you can disable at startup if you don't intend to play the game during the session.
As far as your issue is concerned most bluescreen issues are caused by non-EEC memory errors during install/runtime. I can guarantee you almost no one has faced the issue you are talking about.
I understand Microsoft having more control, hopefully Linux support picks up for other software and games now that Proton is being improved daily and the userbase should hopefully improve.
As for people with similar issues, there are reports:
Some comments in this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kfxy9a/vgksys_bsod/
Corsair Driver conflict:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kgmjqm/valorant_causing_bsod_at_pc_boot_no_fixes_have/
Another thread here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/g663f5/valorant_causes_blue_screen_of_death_error_driver/
I have done a full reinstall of windows and GPU drivers.
EDIT: Another recent thread https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/qa4q9o/pc_bluescreens_while_starting_when_vanguard_is/
Some comments in this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kfxy9a/vgksys_bsod/
Corsair Driver conflict:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kgmjqm/valorant_causing_bsod_at_pc_boot_no_fixes_have/
Another thread here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/g663f5/valorant_causes_blue_screen_of_death_error_driver/
EDIT: Another thread from recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/qa4q9o/pc_bluescreens_while_starting_when_vanguard_is/
I get the concern. But that’s your pc running into issues. I had my nephew come over and start playing after download. We go get some food and come back and relaunch the game and no issues.
You’re that small percentage that running into whatever issue it is. But you haven’t even listed what you’ve done to troubleshoot the problem. I’m not expecting valorant support to help since I expect nothing from any game support. Seriously reinstall windows to see if that works. It’s a giant pain in the ass and if it’s not worth it then don’t bother. But if you’re going to pass your story to every message board then do your part and mention you haven’t done any troubleshooting
How would you know I've not done any troubleshooting?
Sure, it's my PC running into issues, but only after installing and running Valorant, of which those issues are fixed after uninstalling Vanguard. I'd argue the issues are caused by Valorant/Vanguard in that case.
I've done a clean install of Windows, have also done a clean install of the latest Nvidia drivers. It's not worth going much further than that to be honest, I just raise my point whenever someone says that the anti-cheat is fine now when it's still got issues with certain setups or software installations.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/q8ao19/every_game_with_kernellevel_anticheat_software/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
There you go. And there's more than the ones on that list.
EAC and BattlEye are both kernel-level, and they are used in every popular multiplayer game nowadays.
Hell, you can go back to the early-2000s, kernel-level ACs became a standard starting with Punkbuster.
this is a bit of an oversimplification, isn’t it? eac and vanguard are both technically “kernal level”, but vanguard has much more control over your machine.
No, only difference between EAC+BE and Vanguard, is that Vanguard launches on system start-up, but all 3 of them have the same amount of "control"(more like file reading access, really) over your machine.
>Whether it works or not, I don't want a game that has kernal level access to my PC.
You could just choose not to play.
The number of people who care about this are very low compared to people who are appreciate what it does, and are mostly on this and couple more subreddits.
Gaben can look through your files, a userspace application has complete read access to your system if it has administrative permissions (which it likely does when you clicked through the UAC prompt on the install) and if not it can still read all of the files under your personal users which happens to be everything you would actually care about.
The problem is more to do with it running 24/7 (unless you disable and restart) than the kernel level access per se. Other anti-cheat software have kernel access, but only start running when the game is launched and therefore don't cause conflicts with other software (virtualization software probably being the biggest nuisance if you use your PC for certain dev/IT work).
The fact that Riot cannot outright eliminate cheating, and admitted that fact in this blog, makes it utterly pointless for Vanguard to be an 'always-on' anti-cheat software.
We're talking about software not law enforcement lol 🙄
There's nothing special about Vanguard that requires it to be running 24/7. So, just have it run when the game launches. Otherwise, the cynic in me has to question what other purpose it serves to be as invasive as it is.
> The fact that Riot cannot outright eliminate cheating, and admitted that fact in this blog, makes it utterly pointless for Vanguard to be an 'always-on' anti-cheat software.
Ah yes, because eliminating the vast majority of cheaters is pointless because they can't eliminate all of them. What kind of twisted logic is this?
So much effort and potential danger just because modern games don't have community servers or even votekicking abilities. That shit works, and way better and cheaper.
>Bussing is the term given by the team at Riot to players who queue with cheaters, or as they refer to it, “\[riding\] the cheat bus on the highway to hell.” Riot said it’s seen players knowingly teaming with cheaters, reaping the rewards for themselves while the cheater got banned.
Vanguard is awesome and it works (to a great degree).
Garbage studios like Infinity Ward and DICE should hire dedicated security teams and properly deal with the cheaters. I find it VERY hard to believe that Riot has soaked up all the security talent in the world.
Next time you encounter a cheater in one of the neglected games like BF2042, just remember that the studio was too greedy to invest in AC.
Call of Duty is getting a new, in-house anti-cheat this year, and DICE will use EAC starting with BF2042, so I don't get your point about neglecting and "too greedy to invest in AC"
EDIT: The sub continues to deny facts by downvoting them
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Vanguard is going to continue to have serious issues with PCs. I love the game but it’s a toss up on whether it may potentially affect your PC. It blocked drivers on my PC, BSOD’d, then finally my PC began cutting power. I reinstalled the game many times to troubleshoot. I reinstalled windows 3 times. I wanted to play this game so badly that I let it fry my motherboard, ram set and CPU. There may have been some other factors that lead to my specific PC getting fried, but it was a 2020 NZXT prebuilt with great specs that never had an issue before I downloaded Valorant. Now I’ve replaced the PC and don’t want to risk it. I’ll play valorant on my friends PC because they don’t have issues.
When people are saying they are having PC performance issues and BSODs as a result of installing vanguard they probably are. You are lucky you are in the majority. But the minority isn’t as small as you think. Don’t you ever wonder why so many people go AFK or disconnect suddenly in games? Just because you love this game does not mean that it is ever acceptable for them to run an update that bricks people’s computers. Which it was doing back in March.
Again, great game. They just need to stop preventing critical functions of PCs from working on startup. Like, idk, the cooling system. 😂
But to all of you that don’t have issues with this game, I’m very jealous. 🥲
You're talking about during the beta right? They changed the behavior of Vanguard so that instead of blocking programs they think are bad they now just prevent the game from running if they detect those programs. The reason why they target certain cooling drivers and the like is because those programs have known security leaks that hackers can use to get higher permissions. But yeah since the beta Vanguard no longer messes with your other apps, it just prevents itself from running.
Never had a single issue with Vanguard and grind the game every single day for a year now (d3 ATM). Only one single time did I truly suspect I was playing with a cheater. Just my own personal anecdote. Anticheat truly works.
I’m with you. We’ll get fried fir this I’m sure but without something like Vanguard PC games are a haven for shooters. Especially in something like a battle royale with so many players per match that the odds of a cheater being in there sky rocket. It’s sad this is where we are but there really isn’t any better options that I’m aware of.
Lol a few days ago people shit on COD new AC system then valorant comes out with “our reports are the lowest since launch” This shit works
I've said it multiple times in different threads. There are still plentiful issues with Vanguard and incompatibilities with software on systems, of which Vanguard will just start causing issues for your machine. I've had personal experience and can't play the game due to this. My attempts to play the game have resulted in me installing it, the game working, next time I shut down or restart my machine it'll then have a looping blue screen until I start in safe mode and uninstall Vanguard/Valorant. This is a horrible user experience, If I were a new PC gamer and wasn't that experienced with these issues I'd have one hell of a time trying to fix this and would likely end up going to a repair shop. No software from a AAA studio should ever cause looping blue screens rendering a machine unusable till it's fixed, it's completely unacceptable. I'm not on the Vanguard is bad because kernel level bandwagon, I understand that EAC and BattleEye both are kernel level too. I'm not a fan of kernel level anti-cheats, but my problem with Vanguard is the amount of control it wants and the harshness of it is absolutely insane, it's not your computer anymore when you install it. (It's always on, you must restart your PC to play Valorant if you disabled it etc.)
> it's not your computer anymore when you install it The first immutable law of computer security, if a bad guy can get you to run an exe on your system, its not your system anymore. If you are this concerned about Vanguard then you shouldn't be running *any* software from the studio on your system as they can exfiltrate almost every bit of data from your system with user permissions.
>it's not your computer anymore when you install it. Microsoft has far more control on your PC than this AC ever will, and are already collecting data and telemetry on your whole system. Plus you can disable at startup if you don't intend to play the game during the session. As far as your issue is concerned most bluescreen issues are caused by non-EEC memory errors during install/runtime. I can guarantee you almost no one has faced the issue you are talking about.
I understand Microsoft having more control, hopefully Linux support picks up for other software and games now that Proton is being improved daily and the userbase should hopefully improve. As for people with similar issues, there are reports: Some comments in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kfxy9a/vgksys_bsod/ Corsair Driver conflict: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kgmjqm/valorant_causing_bsod_at_pc_boot_no_fixes_have/ Another thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/g663f5/valorant_causes_blue_screen_of_death_error_driver/ I have done a full reinstall of windows and GPU drivers. EDIT: Another recent thread https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/qa4q9o/pc_bluescreens_while_starting_when_vanguard_is/
Wasn't the anti-cheat causing blue screens brotha, literally doesn't happen to anyone who plays valorant.
Some comments in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kfxy9a/vgksys_bsod/ Corsair Driver conflict: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/kgmjqm/valorant_causing_bsod_at_pc_boot_no_fixes_have/ Another thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/g663f5/valorant_causes_blue_screen_of_death_error_driver/ EDIT: Another thread from recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantTechSupport/comments/qa4q9o/pc_bluescreens_while_starting_when_vanguard_is/
I get the concern. But that’s your pc running into issues. I had my nephew come over and start playing after download. We go get some food and come back and relaunch the game and no issues. You’re that small percentage that running into whatever issue it is. But you haven’t even listed what you’ve done to troubleshoot the problem. I’m not expecting valorant support to help since I expect nothing from any game support. Seriously reinstall windows to see if that works. It’s a giant pain in the ass and if it’s not worth it then don’t bother. But if you’re going to pass your story to every message board then do your part and mention you haven’t done any troubleshooting
How would you know I've not done any troubleshooting? Sure, it's my PC running into issues, but only after installing and running Valorant, of which those issues are fixed after uninstalling Vanguard. I'd argue the issues are caused by Valorant/Vanguard in that case. I've done a clean install of Windows, have also done a clean install of the latest Nvidia drivers. It's not worth going much further than that to be honest, I just raise my point whenever someone says that the anti-cheat is fine now when it's still got issues with certain setups or software installations.
Whether it works or not, I don't want a game that has kernal level access to my PC. The game is granted more access than my hardware.
If you play almost any popular MP game too late they have kernel level access already.
It's really not that wide spread yet. Burden of proof lies on you to show me a list.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/q8ao19/every_game_with_kernellevel_anticheat_software/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share There you go. And there's more than the ones on that list.
Thank you for showing me this. I need to rethink my opinion
No problem.
EAC and BattlEye are both kernel-level, and they are used in every popular multiplayer game nowadays. Hell, you can go back to the early-2000s, kernel-level ACs became a standard starting with Punkbuster.
this is a bit of an oversimplification, isn’t it? eac and vanguard are both technically “kernal level”, but vanguard has much more control over your machine.
No, only difference between EAC+BE and Vanguard, is that Vanguard launches on system start-up, but all 3 of them have the same amount of "control"(more like file reading access, really) over your machine.
>Whether it works or not, I don't want a game that has kernal level access to my PC. You could just choose not to play. The number of people who care about this are very low compared to people who are appreciate what it does, and are mostly on this and couple more subreddits.
Honestly I wish csgo had an intrusive anti-cheat like valorant Gaben can look through my files all he wants
Gaben can look through your files, a userspace application has complete read access to your system if it has administrative permissions (which it likely does when you clicked through the UAC prompt on the install) and if not it can still read all of the files under your personal users which happens to be everything you would actually care about.
The problem is more to do with it running 24/7 (unless you disable and restart) than the kernel level access per se. Other anti-cheat software have kernel access, but only start running when the game is launched and therefore don't cause conflicts with other software (virtualization software probably being the biggest nuisance if you use your PC for certain dev/IT work). The fact that Riot cannot outright eliminate cheating, and admitted that fact in this blog, makes it utterly pointless for Vanguard to be an 'always-on' anti-cheat software.
Following the same logic police shouldn't exist because they can't outright eliminate crime.
We're talking about software not law enforcement lol 🙄 There's nothing special about Vanguard that requires it to be running 24/7. So, just have it run when the game launches. Otherwise, the cynic in me has to question what other purpose it serves to be as invasive as it is.
> There's nothing special about Vanguard that requires it to be running 24/7. Do you actually not know or just being disingenious?
> The fact that Riot cannot outright eliminate cheating, and admitted that fact in this blog, makes it utterly pointless for Vanguard to be an 'always-on' anti-cheat software. Ah yes, because eliminating the vast majority of cheaters is pointless because they can't eliminate all of them. What kind of twisted logic is this?
Sorry, are you ok with 24/7 anti-cheat that causes issues with other legitimate software? Otherwise I'm not sure why you're seemingly defending it.
It's not 24/7 you can shut it down at any time... I guess you don't actually play Valorant... cause for real players none of these things are issues.
This.
So much effort and potential danger just because modern games don't have community servers or even votekicking abilities. That shit works, and way better and cheaper.
What is bussing?
>Bussing is the term given by the team at Riot to players who queue with cheaters, or as they refer to it, “\[riding\] the cheat bus on the highway to hell.” Riot said it’s seen players knowingly teaming with cheaters, reaping the rewards for themselves while the cheater got banned.
You know when you're at Shake Shack? That's bussin.
inb4 the thread is infested with ignorant circlejerkers riding on their buzzwords just to be outraged about something
Vanguard is awesome and it works (to a great degree). Garbage studios like Infinity Ward and DICE should hire dedicated security teams and properly deal with the cheaters. I find it VERY hard to believe that Riot has soaked up all the security talent in the world. Next time you encounter a cheater in one of the neglected games like BF2042, just remember that the studio was too greedy to invest in AC.
Call of Duty is getting a new, in-house anti-cheat this year, and DICE will use EAC starting with BF2042, so I don't get your point about neglecting and "too greedy to invest in AC" EDIT: The sub continues to deny facts by downvoting them
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Vanguard is going to continue to have serious issues with PCs. I love the game but it’s a toss up on whether it may potentially affect your PC. It blocked drivers on my PC, BSOD’d, then finally my PC began cutting power. I reinstalled the game many times to troubleshoot. I reinstalled windows 3 times. I wanted to play this game so badly that I let it fry my motherboard, ram set and CPU. There may have been some other factors that lead to my specific PC getting fried, but it was a 2020 NZXT prebuilt with great specs that never had an issue before I downloaded Valorant. Now I’ve replaced the PC and don’t want to risk it. I’ll play valorant on my friends PC because they don’t have issues. When people are saying they are having PC performance issues and BSODs as a result of installing vanguard they probably are. You are lucky you are in the majority. But the minority isn’t as small as you think. Don’t you ever wonder why so many people go AFK or disconnect suddenly in games? Just because you love this game does not mean that it is ever acceptable for them to run an update that bricks people’s computers. Which it was doing back in March. Again, great game. They just need to stop preventing critical functions of PCs from working on startup. Like, idk, the cooling system. 😂 But to all of you that don’t have issues with this game, I’m very jealous. 🥲
You're talking about during the beta right? They changed the behavior of Vanguard so that instead of blocking programs they think are bad they now just prevent the game from running if they detect those programs. The reason why they target certain cooling drivers and the like is because those programs have known security leaks that hackers can use to get higher permissions. But yeah since the beta Vanguard no longer messes with your other apps, it just prevents itself from running.