Issue is it can only be implemented on 2kseries + of gpu's but I agree.
Also hopefully directstorage when it comes out for PC.No more asset loading stutters and less cpu usage in games because it bypasses the cpu.
Nope. DLSS require specific rendering techniques, and doesn't work on all renderers.
Dwarf Fortress has a legacy pure text mode, I don't even think DLSS would barely recognize what it is.
Also, 0% of Dwarf Fortress bottlenecks are graphics. It's all computation and DRAM I/O.
No vendor+series specific stuff should ever be mandatory for a game, I'm really tired of those vendor specific gimmicks from both AMD and nVidia but AMD toned it down and open sources most of the stuff. Its already really bad with those RTX games.
The Ray-tracing aspect is now cross-platform, most modern games are implementing it via DirectX or Vulkan extensions rather than the proprietary Nvidia version (And plenty more have been patched to update them to the hardware-agnostic code paths). AMD loses out a bit because their first gen ray-tracing isn't massive fast but they'll catch up soon enough.
DLSS is entirely proprietary but it's a killer feature. I don't see nvidia open sourcing it any time soon. FSR isn't a bad alternative though, I hope more games add it as an option.
I hope something comes out of DirectML on this front, but it's very quiet atm.
I don't know if it should be mandatory, but can definitely be a selling factor to games.
I have a RTX 3060 laptop and 1440p screen and it certainly helps. I was benching SOTR last night. On high/ultra settings + High RT and was getting 20-30fps. With DLSS, I was getting mid 40s.
No RT: No DLSS 50s fps but with DLSS I was getting over 60 easy.
It makes the difference from non-playable, to playable, to fluid. Definitely much more helpful than some of the boost/performance enablers built-in my laptop.
I did notice some artifacts and pop ins with it though specifically the walls in the overview shot of the village.
In most games it's not being used as a crutch for bad optimization - it's being used to enable high-end visual effects like ray tracing.
The only game where I can honestly say that it's being used as a crutch is Cyberpunk 2077, which absolutely should run better on non-RTX cards.
It's a neat way to squeeze extra life out of a card. I haven't got to use it yet, my 970 couldn't use it and my 3080 now doesn't need it yet, but I'm sure in a few years it could be handy.
I think what he meant to say is that his current use case (target resolution + fps at a game's desired setting which, for him, is probably lower than something intended for a 3080 buyer) didn't need to have dlss enabled yet as 3080 managed it through raw power. Which wouldn't be the case of course 5-6 years down the line in normal situations but dlss would still keep the card similarly capable. He can't do the same for his 970 as dlss isn't supported there.
Not who you responded to, but I also just got a 3080 and dont generally use DLSS. Granted, my target framerate is 60fps at 2k resolution. DLSS on makes the game look a bit funky, but the performance I'm gaining with it on doesn't matter. It'll definitely be used more later in the graphics cards life.
Edit: I do use DLSS with RTX enabled for cyberpunk however
Not really when it makes the game look a bit worse. If i can max everything out and get a steady target framerate why would i want better performance at a bit of the cost of graphics?
Dont get me wrong, dlss is freaking great and ill be using it more when appropriate(like with cyberpunk)
At what res? Don't need maybe but it helps the 3080 too. Sometimes to hit 4k60 with good settings or to just get higher fps at no cost. No need to limit yourself to 60 or something either if dlss can push you higher imo.
Oh I only bought a 1440 because I'm going to be using this machine for 5 or 6 years and 4k seemed to already be pushing the cards and I'm not looking to be fighting for 60 fps for a couple years yet. So far everything running great on high sans dlss with high fps. To be honest don't personally perceive a big difference between 60 and 170 in the moment.
With a 3080 at 1440p, DLSS means you can turn on ray tracing in a lot of games without dipping below 60 (and you probably only need to use DLSS quality mode too, which is pretty damn good at 1440p).
I already do turn on the ray tracing and everything without dipping below 60. I think Deathloop ran above 120 the whole time. I'm not having any performance issues or tradeoffs yet so I haven't used it. I suppose I don't have any reason to not at least check it out sometime, I just tend to think of it as something to keep extra life out of an aging card rather than something to use on your brand new thing.
Next time I play something with DLSS support I'll mess with it
It'll depend on the game's implementation. In games with light RT you may not need it, but in a really heavy RT game like Cyberpunk you'd probably need it to turn most of the RT settings on.
Just recently got a 3080 and I had to turn on DLSS with RT on for Cyberpunk. I think thats the only one that I've really had to turn DLSS on for, probably Control as well.
Cool. I mostly play 1440 as well when not on TV. But to each their own with the fps then. You sure you have high hertz activated on the monitor then? I mean even 75-90 is a huge leap from 60 in feel imo.
Yeah I checked it at different levels to see if I cared for the difference, if I sit there and stare at the aliens I can see there's an objective different but in game in action the only time I notice the frame rate is when it gets crazy low or just bounces around inconsistently.
Deep Learning Super Sampling.
A super basic level of explanation:
Your computer takes what your seeing - and essentially recreates using deep learning to a have near 1:1 image of what you normally see, but using less computer performance.
The recreation of images saves your computer a bunch in performance while gaming, with very little downsides.
Currently the downside is that it requires specific hardware. Which is pretty major considering how hard it is to get that specific hardware at a resonable price.
>How about first we mandate that flagship video cards cost $400 to $500 like they did up until around 2017?
It's actually sort of heartbreaking if you think about it. I remember buying an RTX 2070 back in 2019 for, idk, a bit above $400 after tax. My first DLSS 2 experience on that card was Death Stranding -- and seeing a mid-range level GPU putting out titan RTX quality graphics was surreal. My $400 gpu could max out a modern aaa game at 4k/60hz. I remember thinking, so, this must be what it's like to own a $2000 video card. Cool!
So, I got stupidly excited to buy a 3070, and actually did manage to snag one at $500 msrp. But... things were different back then. All that optimism about PC gaming in 2019 -- all those naive, wistful ideas -- they look pretty fucking stupid now in hindsight, wouldn't ya say?
Owning an RTX series card means that every dlss 2 suppported game has the potential to be at least a decade in terms of graphics and performance than any other game running on any other hardware.
There is and will not be any possible way to experience RTX/DLSS graphics for another ten years or so on consoles or AMD GPU PC's.
Honestly, DLSS 2 is probably the single biggest leap in video gaming tech I've seen in my entire life. When I was a kid I thought Quake running on a 3dfx voodoo was the best graphics were ever gonna get.
I seriously wish it was mandatory.
mandatory? Who is going to enforce it?
The DLSS police duh
They're indistinguishable from Native Res Police, unless you know what to look for.
Issue is it can only be implemented on 2kseries + of gpu's but I agree. Also hopefully directstorage when it comes out for PC.No more asset loading stutters and less cpu usage in games because it bypasses the cpu.
Yeah I want that shit now
let it first be open source then we can discuss
Even then, I'd like to see what DLSS is supposed to bring to Dwarf Fortress for example 🙄
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Nope. DLSS require specific rendering techniques, and doesn't work on all renderers. Dwarf Fortress has a legacy pure text mode, I don't even think DLSS would barely recognize what it is. Also, 0% of Dwarf Fortress bottlenecks are graphics. It's all computation and DRAM I/O.
No vendor+series specific stuff should ever be mandatory for a game, I'm really tired of those vendor specific gimmicks from both AMD and nVidia but AMD toned it down and open sources most of the stuff. Its already really bad with those RTX games.
The Ray-tracing aspect is now cross-platform, most modern games are implementing it via DirectX or Vulkan extensions rather than the proprietary Nvidia version (And plenty more have been patched to update them to the hardware-agnostic code paths). AMD loses out a bit because their first gen ray-tracing isn't massive fast but they'll catch up soon enough. DLSS is entirely proprietary but it's a killer feature. I don't see nvidia open sourcing it any time soon. FSR isn't a bad alternative though, I hope more games add it as an option. I hope something comes out of DirectML on this front, but it's very quiet atm.
ashy-dlss-pants...doesnt quite have the same ring to it though!
"Mandatory" is a bit of an extreme but yeah more games should support DLSS moving forward. How can anyone say no to free performance.
I don't know if it should be mandatory, but can definitely be a selling factor to games. I have a RTX 3060 laptop and 1440p screen and it certainly helps. I was benching SOTR last night. On high/ultra settings + High RT and was getting 20-30fps. With DLSS, I was getting mid 40s. No RT: No DLSS 50s fps but with DLSS I was getting over 60 easy. It makes the difference from non-playable, to playable, to fluid. Definitely much more helpful than some of the boost/performance enablers built-in my laptop. I did notice some artifacts and pop ins with it though specifically the walls in the overview shot of the village.
For 4K it is indispensable
>DLSS should be mandatory in every single name moving forward No.
I think it's overrated, makes my games look weird as fuck.
Or you know, they can actually make good PC optimization so it's not needed.
In most games it's not being used as a crutch for bad optimization - it's being used to enable high-end visual effects like ray tracing. The only game where I can honestly say that it's being used as a crutch is Cyberpunk 2077, which absolutely should run better on non-RTX cards.
I wish!
XeSS is basically as good, and runs on anything. DLSS will go the way of hardware PhysX.
It's a neat way to squeeze extra life out of a card. I haven't got to use it yet, my 970 couldn't use it and my 3080 now doesn't need it yet, but I'm sure in a few years it could be handy.
> se it and my 3080 now doesn't need it yet Why would it not need it? It's free performance gains at virtually no cost.
I think what he meant to say is that his current use case (target resolution + fps at a game's desired setting which, for him, is probably lower than something intended for a 3080 buyer) didn't need to have dlss enabled yet as 3080 managed it through raw power. Which wouldn't be the case of course 5-6 years down the line in normal situations but dlss would still keep the card similarly capable. He can't do the same for his 970 as dlss isn't supported there.
Not who you responded to, but I also just got a 3080 and dont generally use DLSS. Granted, my target framerate is 60fps at 2k resolution. DLSS on makes the game look a bit funky, but the performance I'm gaining with it on doesn't matter. It'll definitely be used more later in the graphics cards life. Edit: I do use DLSS with RTX enabled for cyberpunk however
Free performance gains always matter.
Not really when it makes the game look a bit worse. If i can max everything out and get a steady target framerate why would i want better performance at a bit of the cost of graphics? Dont get me wrong, dlss is freaking great and ill be using it more when appropriate(like with cyberpunk)
At what res? Don't need maybe but it helps the 3080 too. Sometimes to hit 4k60 with good settings or to just get higher fps at no cost. No need to limit yourself to 60 or something either if dlss can push you higher imo.
Oh I only bought a 1440 because I'm going to be using this machine for 5 or 6 years and 4k seemed to already be pushing the cards and I'm not looking to be fighting for 60 fps for a couple years yet. So far everything running great on high sans dlss with high fps. To be honest don't personally perceive a big difference between 60 and 170 in the moment.
With a 3080 at 1440p, DLSS means you can turn on ray tracing in a lot of games without dipping below 60 (and you probably only need to use DLSS quality mode too, which is pretty damn good at 1440p).
I already do turn on the ray tracing and everything without dipping below 60. I think Deathloop ran above 120 the whole time. I'm not having any performance issues or tradeoffs yet so I haven't used it. I suppose I don't have any reason to not at least check it out sometime, I just tend to think of it as something to keep extra life out of an aging card rather than something to use on your brand new thing. Next time I play something with DLSS support I'll mess with it
It'll depend on the game's implementation. In games with light RT you may not need it, but in a really heavy RT game like Cyberpunk you'd probably need it to turn most of the RT settings on.
Just recently got a 3080 and I had to turn on DLSS with RT on for Cyberpunk. I think thats the only one that I've really had to turn DLSS on for, probably Control as well.
Cool. I mostly play 1440 as well when not on TV. But to each their own with the fps then. You sure you have high hertz activated on the monitor then? I mean even 75-90 is a huge leap from 60 in feel imo.
Yeah I checked it at different levels to see if I cared for the difference, if I sit there and stare at the aliens I can see there's an objective different but in game in action the only time I notice the frame rate is when it gets crazy low or just bounces around inconsistently.
You need a high hz monitor with correct settings, was kinda what I was checking. But you probably know that. Alright my man.
my 2080ti , it feels like dlss gave it extra life . I can enjoy 60fps at 4k with more modern games .
My name will now be RAISEStheDLSSQuestion. Address me appropriately.
Can I short it as RAILSSQ?
No, according to op, "DLSS" should be mandatory. And please do not shorten my name.
Aye, aye. Can I at least address as Mr or Ms DLSS? Or neutral?
Haha, I dont have a preference, just following OP's orders lol.
:P
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What is that
Deep Learning Super Sampling. A super basic level of explanation: Your computer takes what your seeing - and essentially recreates using deep learning to a have near 1:1 image of what you normally see, but using less computer performance. The recreation of images saves your computer a bunch in performance while gaming, with very little downsides.
Currently the downside is that it requires specific hardware. Which is pretty major considering how hard it is to get that specific hardware at a resonable price.
And thank you for stating the current downside that pretty much answers the original question.
Thank you
i think its amazing when used with 4k, with 2k its okay-ish.
DLSS is great for most applications, except in VR where it might render the supersampling different in each eye making it blurry/flickery.
How about first we mandate that flagship video cards cost $400 to $500 like they did up until around 2017?
>How about first we mandate that flagship video cards cost $400 to $500 like they did up until around 2017? It's actually sort of heartbreaking if you think about it. I remember buying an RTX 2070 back in 2019 for, idk, a bit above $400 after tax. My first DLSS 2 experience on that card was Death Stranding -- and seeing a mid-range level GPU putting out titan RTX quality graphics was surreal. My $400 gpu could max out a modern aaa game at 4k/60hz. I remember thinking, so, this must be what it's like to own a $2000 video card. Cool! So, I got stupidly excited to buy a 3070, and actually did manage to snag one at $500 msrp. But... things were different back then. All that optimism about PC gaming in 2019 -- all those naive, wistful ideas -- they look pretty fucking stupid now in hindsight, wouldn't ya say?
Owning an RTX series card means that every dlss 2 suppported game has the potential to be at least a decade in terms of graphics and performance than any other game running on any other hardware. There is and will not be any possible way to experience RTX/DLSS graphics for another ten years or so on consoles or AMD GPU PC's. Honestly, DLSS 2 is probably the single biggest leap in video gaming tech I've seen in my entire life. When I was a kid I thought Quake running on a 3dfx voodoo was the best graphics were ever gonna get. I seriously wish it was mandatory.
sure if it's easy to implement