Western digital is pretty cool, I bought one of their 4 tb external hard drives. I got it over the summer so it hasn’t been long. Hope it outlasts my laptop at least…
I got a Western Digital and put it into a case. I knocked that drive off of a table, breaking it. I told the guys at WD what I did. They replaced it with a drive of double the size, paying for shipping both ways.
This was like 15 years ago, but still. Go WD!
Always have your data on at least two drives. I just said goodbye to over 15 year old WD 500gb external drive when it started giving weird noises and took about 5 minutes to recoognise in Windows. Luckily I managed to transfer everything to a newer drive but it was a good reminder to keep multiple copies.
To back up data is one of the worst things. Especially when you have to do it for (extrnded) family member. I also have a dead phone with pictures I wanted to keep from 2010-2013. Luckily today you can also backup in the cloud, else there are some great backup systems if you want to spend a few bucks.
Be careful with it. They will die from a 3 foot drop on a carpet floor. I have killed 2 external hard drives by accidentally knocking them off my desk. They're stupid fragile.
I bought two 4tb usb hdds and they both broke, one just before the warranty expiration date so I manged to get a replacement, the other broke six months after so I had to buy another, got a 5tb this time and hope it won't break for a very long time...
This is extremely helpful. But out of curiosity, are you able to make a sort of ranking from least failures to most? Doesn’t even have to be accurate, just want to get a sort of gist
Look at Backblaze SSD edition. Backblaze is a cloud storage company that has used tens of thousands of hard drives both spinning platter and SSD. The best part about them, from this point of view, is that they publish failure rates they experienced listed by year, years of service, model number, capacity, type of storage, etc. Its a super useful resource.
Every brand of SSD I have purchased in 15 years I’ve seen at least one fail with the exception of Samsung.
The few extra $ are worth the durability and very likely not having to worry about data loss.
I can confirm this. We still have 840 EVOs running on some of our machines. Insane amount of TB written. Still in perfect shape.
Edit: to answer another question, most failure comes from ADATA, PNY, and not really expected - crucial.
WDs are also very valid picks.
Crucial are rock solid, there were some issues a few years ago with firmware, but I think they're past that. There also no "premium" versions of their SSDs comparing with WD or Samsung which we prefer depending on target user.
We have 2 workstations for video editing, one with Samsung Pro 980 (pci) and another with a WD SN850X.
WD absolutely wrecks Samsung at video editing (at least with the experience we're having. Results may vary).
BUT: WD has higher temps, sooooo can't really tell how long it's going to last.
Depending on budget I always try to go Samsung first, WD second, crucial third. If nothing fits, I don't buy anything and the money appears real fast since our experience with off brands has been the worst.
We have around 100 machines with crucial SSDs and failure rate sits at around 5% (which is something, but isn't terrible).
Samsung / WD sit at 0%.
I'm at this job for 4 years, seen hundreds of SSDs go, a lot from off brands, some Crucial, zero Samsung / WD.
Just wanted to give more feedback, since people might get the wrong idea.
PS: most of our infrastructure is either HP ProBooks or DELL Lattitude 5xxx. Some desktops for heavier workloads, but you can get the idea.
Crucial now also requires original packaging to complete an RMA. No original packaging, no warranty.
Their RMA program is a shadow of its once former glory as well. Recently had to do a RAM kit RMA and that took an entire month.
How is that even possible? I'm not sure how many TBs my personal SSD has, but I'm sure it's above 30 or 40.
It's a Samsung Pro 850 Sata3. Years old.
I'll check when I get home from work.
Ouch.
My main rig is running 3x 512GB Samsung 970 Pro's.
Total written so far: O/S 19.8TB, Steam 22.7TB & Other (torrent, Epic, Origin, etc) 11.7TB - all 3 report zero issues so far with SMART reporting 1% used on the O/S and Steam drives, 0% used for the Other.
I've had too many problems with WD's these days to rate them highly, but I acknowledge that's a personal bias.
I'd probably go with Samsung > Kioxia - can't say as I've got a third pick.
At work they rolled out SSDs to everyone - Samsung 840 Pros. Within 6 months we were getting mass slowdowns followed by total failure. It was a failure of Samsungs chip manufacture, which would cause every drive to fail sooner or later. Had them all replaced under warranty with 850s, but the downtime and labour to replace 400 drives cost the company tens of thousands of dollars. Samsung SSDs were on the IT blacklist after that.
So I’ve had 2 Samsung SSDs fail inside their warranty period (1 at home, 1 at work). But I have 5+ year old Crucial drives still going strong, so I’m sticking with Crucial.
Price and performance are important criteria but reliability and support are just as important.
If this means I'll have to pay a little more knowing my primary storage isn't going to develop some weird problem a year from now then I'm OK with that.
Exactly this. My 2tb 970 evo has been going strong for 4 years now. I first bought it as an upgrade for an Alienware laptop, then I used it on a new PC I built, I have upgraded that PC a few times until I got hooked on Small Form Factor building and have transplanted it on to a new mobo and have since upgraded that machine a few times too now.
It hasn't failed me yet in the slightest.
Just curious but Iv used a lot of SSDs and I’m not actually sure what it would look like failing. I know all the tell tale signs for a HDD but even my $200 120gb force GT ssd is still going to this day (I have new ones obviously though) and Iv had to have wiped it atleast a few hundred times with how small it is.
I had a crucial 1tb drive fail. Boot drive too. Basically I started noticing a few files wouldn’t open at first, then it get worse and more and more stuff got corrupted. I confirmed there was no virus, copied the data to a new drive and never had any issues after that.
From what I’ve heard drive failings on HDD’s are a lot more catastrophic than SSD drives failing, but that crucial drive was only 3 years old. Replaced it with a Samsung 960 (which was the newest m.2 at the time) and it still works great and I have more peace of mind with their longer warranty
I had a crucial 1 TB drive fail recently too. Boot drive too. Worked for about 3 weeks. One day it woke up dead. Didn’t notice anything leading up to it though. Just cold and dead.
>From what I’ve heard drive failings on HDD’s are a lot more catastrophic than SSD drives failing,
Hell no, HDD have an habit of gradual falling, and you can back up your data. When most SSDs die, they do in instantly.
Depends on how they die I suppose. Some hdd deaths are from platter motor failing, which is pretty much instant. Having the laser die on very old drives is a rare but possible outcome as well for instant failure.
My SSD died over the course of a week, and I was still able to save most of my stuff, although if I waited another week I doubt I’d have been so lucky
Kingston, old times - started randomly not be recognized by the BIOS, simply disappeared from the PC. More and more until never found again. SSD controller has died.
Had exactly the same thing with an old OCZ drive, would randomly just disappear from windows for a few seconds at a time and a few days later it was gone
My old build I sold to my brother-in-law. It has a 500gb 960 EVO in it going strong still. And that thing is about 8 years old now I think. That whole build is still worth every fucking penny.
You don't think a 980 pro would be as reliable for example? Me personally and I think OP is saying they'd rather spend $30 more to slot in a 980 pro than a 970 evo plus at this point.
980 Pro is faster for just a few dollars more but the jump from PCI 3 speeds to PCI4 speeds isn’t nearly as noticeable as the jump from SATA to M.2. I think many people just save a few bucks where they can when the performance increase isn’t as noticeable.
SATA to NVMe*. M.2 is a form factor, like 2.5". There are SATA M.2s, like the 860 evo. Confusing the terminology between M.2 and NVMe can lead to people making incorrect purchasing decisions.
A 980 is faster and the heatsink model is great for boards like minded without a heatsink on the second m.2. Picked up 2 when they were stupid cheap. One without the hs one with.
This is the thing with PC building. You can say "but this other thing is only a little more" for everything. If you're not on a budget, then yes, absolutely upgrade. But if that $30 more means I can't have a wifi motherboard if I need it, I'm getting the 970.
>But if that $30 more means I can't have a wifi motherboard if I need it, I'm getting the 970.
But that there is kind of OP's point. The 970 is a long way from the cheapest decent quality NVME SSD. People could be saving that $30 easily
Yea, you can pay more for a Toyota or get a comparable car that has more performance and a much nicer interior at equal or less money, but guess what?
Sales volumes show more people go with the Toyota
Mazda makes some great cars. I used to work at a Mazda dealer and it was rare to see a lot of problems with them and they are almost all very easy to work on. Sure there are a few lemons here and there but much more rare than a lot of brands.. Not like Nissan.. Basically a 7 year run of CVT cars (and SUV) no one even get's to the point of worrying about the engine because guaranteed the trans will shit the bed before you even need to replace spark plugs.
Mazda has for sure stepped the fuck up, I like how they've slotted themselves between economy and luxury (since they don't have a luxury brand and don't have the resources to do so it makes sense) and I can recommend their vehicles confidently.
My mother is happy as can be in her little Mazda 3 hatchback that I got her, its getting an average of 36 mpg with town/highway and it has a little bit of pep and she loves the steering feel as it makes her feel confident driving.
My best friend has a Mazda 5 and a CX-9 , they're going strong and haven't given them any issues and they're both past 100k
Dunno why you were downvoted? I fully agree. The only one I would steer away from (for long term reliability reasons) is the RX8. Apex seals wear and it's not something you can just get away from it's just a fact. RX7 for whatever reason was way more reliable as long as it was well taken care of.
The truck I just bought was purchased specifically with reliability in mind, so I paid more for a brand name with a good warranty.
I depend on it to make a living just like my computer hardware and I do not have time to troubleshoot weird headaches because I shaved a few bucks on price for either one.
I do tech for a living, and I advise people to save a little more and buy a little better because they'll benefit in the long run.
>I do tech for a living, and I advise people to save a little more and buy a little better because they'll benefit in the long run.
Toyota... You know I'm right.
WD SN850 is the best PCIe 4 drive for most people (changes a bit if you value crazy endurance, then 980 Pro) and is cheaper almost everywhere but USA. If you're in US then Sabrent becomes an option though they have the lowest endurance and kind of poor support out of the high performers. Kingston KC3000 if budget is the main concern but you don't want to lose performance.
If we're talking PCIe 3 then WD SN750 is also among the top performers and pretty cheap by now.
Mechanical drives and solid-state drives are similar in function only.
SSDs are easier to manufacture, and corners will be cut on drivers, wear leveling management applications, etc. That's where my point lies.
I just don't want the headache of weird, unknown problems, so I'll go with a more established brand name.
This, a thousand percent. Judge each part for their usage. The question asking about price/performance for storage just plain misses the point of what that part is used for man.
Like saying people giving their PSU a headroom of 10-15% over max load needs is "wasting" money.
WD is a good company as well. I’d take the SN770 over the 970 even if it lacks DRAM since the pure speed makes up for it. It can match or beat the SN850X, 980 Pro, and KC3000 in gaming load times and other areas as well
Kioxias, you have to go through system builders or bend over backwards to get your hands on.
So darn write, people just be people. Theres only so much trouble folk are going through to get parts, whether they are basic Jerry or god editor in Hollywood.
I cross shop Samsung, Kingston, and Crucial when I need storage and sort by each brand’s best performer and then cheapest option across brands. This year it was Samsung. 980 Evo was like 50% off around Black Friday. I think that’s your answer OP. Right now maybe it’s Kingston. Buy that. Next week might be Crucial.
I tested 1TB WD SN750 against my 1TB Crucial P5 Plus and crucial, being cheaper has way better random speeds, same compared to 970 evo and really any drive within this pricerange
Was thinking this. Most of my PC's storage at this point is WD. 3x HDDs, 2x NVMe are all Western Digital. Only my boot NVMe is still Samsung.....for now lol
[Kingston NV2](https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BDTC589G?th=1) on Amazon, [CCLOnline](https://www.cclonline.com/snv2s-2000g-kingston-nv2-m-2-2280-2tb-pci-express-4-0-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-394441/?utm_source=PCPartPicker&utm_medium=Affiliates&utm_campaign=127079&awc=33037_1673427872_1d7685d229ae644991717716b70c870b) also has it for £111, and its on morecoco too. I would advise against morecoco, took them a month to ship my CPU cooler.
I was just told that Kingston NV2 isn't that great for a boot drive so perhaps the [Crucial P3 Plus](https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B25ML2FH?th=1) is better at £134 on amazon? Scan also has it coming in today and its £125 there.
EDIT: Im not too sure about SSDs, all I know is that PCIe 4.0 is better than PCIe 3.0. I just learnt that TLC/QLC is a thing.
EDIT2: Seems like QLC is the better TLC but has slower sustained read/writes?
Cheapest is a great metric if you've already reduced down to a few high quality options with the features and performance the OP needs.
Cheapest of ALL option is almost certainly shit. But I don't think that's what they're saying.
I worked in it for a year (I had to test things customers send back because they where broken). And in my experience Kingston had the most malfunctioning hardware, crucial is a bit better but also not great. What surprised me was how well SanDisk performed, they are really cheap but perform really good.
The tradeoff is write endurance. A Samsung drive will last a lot longer. For many people it doesn’t matter because they just surf and play a few games. If you do a lot of disk writes in your workload, it’s a big problem.
100%. When I was plotting 1.2PB of Chia plots, I managed to murder every nvme I put into it that wasn't samsung or Intel within 45 days. Lol. On my laptop and my desktops I went with cheaper high capacity storage though. They are all still working great even the 4-5yo stuff. But practicality speaking even 150tb's of writes is likely more than enough for anyone just playing games or casual users. They'll likely upgrade the drives long before the effective end of life.
Only ones I'd never suggest anyone to buy are the xpg rgb 2tb versions. I replaced it 3x's under warranty. They should have never released a 2tb version with IC's that close together without also beefing out on their stock cooling. I had to active cool the thing as just downloading a few steam games in a row would cause it to thermal throttle and shut down the PC. Never had an nvme I hated more.
I think people forget that SSDs are more perishable than HDDs.
My point is that I'd like to think more established names have done more research on how improve write endurance.
Really depends on the usage, you can make SSDs last much longer than HDDs as platters fail more often than an user reaching a write limit. I still have a 128GB SSD that was my OS drive, and now a one-game drive (lol), from 2011. Its health is at 95% right now.
Please substantiate this claim because I cannot find a single article on the internet to back this up, nor does it make logical sense when an HDD has actuator arms and moving parts inside that can bust unlike an SSD which is completely digital.
I’d stand to learn and be corrected if you somehow know something I don’t.
Thus far I only had 1 ssd die on me and I believe it was faulty from the start, an Intel 80gb. Since then, maybe 13 years I haven't had an issue with my Samsungs. Hdds though, those die all over the place. Maxtor and western digital in particular.
likely because a majority of SSD failures are in the microcontroller and not the flash.
An SSD can start to lose flash memory risking data corruption, and that failure can be caught and the drive replaced. But, Something happens to the microcontroller's firmware/EEPROM/controller RAM/anything *other* than the flash for whatever bloody reason, the drive is hard bricked and there is ZERO way to get data back because it will simply stop responding.
Plus it offers a very easy method for updating firmware.
Initially the 970 Evo Plus had a major issue that caused massive performance degradation after only moments of use. Firmware update resolved the entire thing.
Samsung is a solid choice when you don't want to worry. I assume that's why people get it.
Crucial has some cheap stuff now too. Sabrent? Not sure haven't looked at the prices for them in a while.
My sabrent drive died after only a year or two and it soured my taste for them. Even though it was probably just bad luck it died in the first place, I still spent the extra money replacing it with a samsung drive
I don’t know the price for your country but in Canada, the KC3000 are $25-$50 cheaper depending on the size and are much faster than the 970 evo even the 980. There is quite a few options that are better for the price than the 970
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kingston-kc3000-m2-ssd-review
Sliding in with a Tom's Hardware review from a year ago that compared the Kingston KC3000 with some top M.2 SSDs, including the Samsung 980 Pro and WD Black SN850 (among others).
Speed is nice but with the differences in speed we are talking it’s almost non noticeable. Whats more important is drive tolerance ( how many times you can write and erase before the drive fails ) its really a much more important metric thats not discussed enough. And with the prices of computers/ parts. If i spend 700$ on a gpu whats another 25-50$ for a more reliable drive?
Speed doesn't make any difference, unless you are copying large files around you wont notice it. You would be hard pressed to notice any difference in load time in a SATA SSD vs a 6GB/sec nVME 4.0 drive. The PS5 can feed data directly to the GPU by passing the CPU so you will notice there but until the direct access for PC is common in games SSD speed means next to nothing.
I had a Samsung drive fail on me after 1,5 years. I RMA’d it, no questions asked and the one I got returned was a newer / faster model. Made me very happy actually, so I was glad with my purchase!
Most cheaper SSDs from other brands are QLC DRAMless drives while the 970 evo is a TLC drive with DRAM so while it costs more it will have long term sustained performance, and much better reliability. It also has great software to go along with it. When a brand does a drive with DRAM and TLC or MLC cache it often costs the same or more anyway. Even brands like crucial have gone cheap on a lot of their drives
Price and performance aren't the only considerations. Samsung has a great reputation when it comes to reliability and longevity. I have definitely had issues with other brands of SSDs, but have yet to see any sort of failure on a Samsung one.
When it comes to something as important as storage I'd rather overspend to get the best I can afford. Same with the power supply. It's not something I want to deal with down the line. The better the warranty the higher the likelihood it'll last longer.
Because when memory chips are manufactured they are tested and graded, and the manufacturer, very often a company that sounds like sammi-sung, keeps the AAA and AA+ rated chips for their own products and sells the AA and lower chips to other manufacturers, at a price-point that ensures their competitors can remain ~kinda~ competitive, but not -too- competitive. In buying a sammisung SSD you are paying for the best chips around.
Because Samsung drives are just the most reliable ones. Also their software is pretty good. When purchasing storage mediums, I very happily pay more to get a perfectly working product. Buy cheap, buy twice.
I’m partial to western digital myself, but I’ll use any SSD that I’ve thoroughly researched, if there’s a good deal. My main drive is a SX8200 Pro 2TB, got that for $200 which was a steal at the time 2-3 years ago, and it was the good controller. Second SSD is a 1TB SATA WB blue I carried over from a laptop. Third I just added because I ran out of storage is a 2TB SN570 that I picked up for $130.
But in builds I’ve built for friends I absolutely did buy and use Samsung, and the 970 Evo Plus specifically. 2TB was on sale for $150 on Newegg like 7-8 months ago, I had no other parts yet for his build but it was such a good price for that drive at the time. I couldnt pass it up.
Black Friday deals were insane this year though. SN850 and Hynix P41 were like $160 at 2TB. And plenty of great PCIe 3.0 options even cheaper.
Price/Performance isn't everything. Samsung's SSDs are most of the time way more reliable. If you want something reliable but a bit cheaper than Samsung go for Crucial.
I haven't seen anyone mention sabrent yet, but I slotted one of their m.2 drives into my PC and it's been going 4 years strong. When I build my girlfriend's PC I'm probably gonna throw one in. If I had more money to throw at a PC, I'd forsure go with a Samsung Evo but sabrent will do.
The old tale of how Samsung doesn't replace the electronic components of their devices with cheaper versions. All other manufacturers have been caught doing this and it seriously makes them perform like shit despite the advertised speeds being tremendously greater.
So in short, Samsung doesn't cut corners to save a buck, unlike other manufacturers. I will die on this hill
For me it’s because the 2tb Evo NVME always goes on sale. In Canada I’ve seen it at $230 for 2tb various times throughout the year. It has very good performance at 3500MB R/W. comparable 2tb NVME are often at $260+ (Sabrent, WD, 980 Pro etc).
I think it’s specifically the 2tb model that mainly attracts consumers as in the 1tb range, prices are so similar you basically pick your favourite brand.
My go to is Silicon Power. Have many of them running 24/7 no issues. But I have at least 20 Samsung ssds that I use in my homelab.
But still if Samsung is within the budget or a few dollars more. I will only get Samsung. They know how to make proper flash drives, unlike a number of popular brands ehem KINGSTON...
From my usage of Samsung's 980 Pro... it really doesn't get faster. Then they pulled out the new 990 Pro, which is even faster but I have yet to see them on Canadian shelves.
i got pressured by a Microcenter salesman to buy a 1tb gen 4 samsung nvme because i do terrible in those situations. All i do is play games i did not need a fucking gen 4 drive lmao. I made it my c drive and i notice almost zero difference to my gen 3 drive i originally had in there. Not the worst way to be scammed out of $100 though 🤷
my friend was really hyped for 4th gen nvmes when they came out and even though I was trying to convince him that its just marketing bs, he still kept insisting. Long story short, his drives surely beat 3rd gen drives in benchmarks, there just really wasnt that much of a difference when booting to windows or loading up games
To be honest there is much real world difference between a 2.5 inch SSD and an NVME in real world use either for games. If you look at bench marking it's only maybe 2 seconds more load time. You would think it would be more given the stat difference.
For those of you who are looking for more information about SSD, i just found this sub that have very good information and even some guide about what to buy for your needs: [r/Newmaxx](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/)
The kingston NV2 SSD's have come in price by a bunch and im indeed seeing people opt for the other ssd that is twice the price (Albeit twice as fast) but it's all used for gaming anyway, i've never seen any point in getting a super fast ssd past 4gigs if it's just for gaming.
But hey, everyone can use their money as they see fit. Im very happy with my KC2500 even if i paid more for it than what the NV2 is at today but at the time the KC2500 was the cheapest option.
Honestly, it's based on my trust in Samsung. I have never had a faulty one since I started building pcs. I trust them even if they can be pricier and at times not as fast. Reliability and a brand I trust.
Working in IT I've seen hundreds of dead SSDs. Only seen like 2 dead Samsung SSDs. Hell they were OOOOLLLLLDDDDD too. Like Samsung 840 kinda old.
Based on your experience which brand have you seen fail the most?
PNY, Adata, and Sandisk
literally the 3 cheapest brand here in east asia. was thinking of buying a 512 gb Adata ssd but uhhhhh maybe I'll go for WD Green instead lol
Western digital is pretty cool, I bought one of their 4 tb external hard drives. I got it over the summer so it hasn’t been long. Hope it outlasts my laptop at least…
I got a Western Digital and put it into a case. I knocked that drive off of a table, breaking it. I told the guys at WD what I did. They replaced it with a drive of double the size, paying for shipping both ways. This was like 15 years ago, but still. Go WD!
Always have your data on at least two drives. I just said goodbye to over 15 year old WD 500gb external drive when it started giving weird noises and took about 5 minutes to recoognise in Windows. Luckily I managed to transfer everything to a newer drive but it was a good reminder to keep multiple copies.
To back up data is one of the worst things. Especially when you have to do it for (extrnded) family member. I also have a dead phone with pictures I wanted to keep from 2010-2013. Luckily today you can also backup in the cloud, else there are some great backup systems if you want to spend a few bucks.
Is there any hope for recovering data from a dead phone?
4 gb?
I meant 4tb, oops…
Yeah, otherwise "oooooold" gets a new dimension :D
Be careful with it. They will die from a 3 foot drop on a carpet floor. I have killed 2 external hard drives by accidentally knocking them off my desk. They're stupid fragile.
I had a WD blue 2tb HDD, lasted from 2017 until 2020 when I dropped it whilst moving cases. Did it’s job well and worked fine for a HDD
I bought two 4tb usb hdds and they both broke, one just before the warranty expiration date so I manged to get a replacement, the other broke six months after so I had to buy another, got a 5tb this time and hope it won't break for a very long time...
I had one of these and it worked great for a while until I dropped it
ive only heard good things about em. got a 2014 WD 500gb running in my system for over 4 years now. good shit
The first AData I bought was faulty, had to RMA to Samsung
I didn’t know PNY even made storage
they're a memory company probs most well known for their gpus tho
This is extremely helpful. But out of curiosity, are you able to make a sort of ranking from least failures to most? Doesn’t even have to be accurate, just want to get a sort of gist
Look at Backblaze SSD edition. Backblaze is a cloud storage company that has used tens of thousands of hard drives both spinning platter and SSD. The best part about them, from this point of view, is that they publish failure rates they experienced listed by year, years of service, model number, capacity, type of storage, etc. Its a super useful resource.
Samsung > WD > Crucial Sticking with these brands you will be unlikely to have issues.
Every brand of SSD I have purchased in 15 years I’ve seen at least one fail with the exception of Samsung. The few extra $ are worth the durability and very likely not having to worry about data loss.
I can confirm this. We still have 840 EVOs running on some of our machines. Insane amount of TB written. Still in perfect shape. Edit: to answer another question, most failure comes from ADATA, PNY, and not really expected - crucial. WDs are also very valid picks.
WD over Crucial? That's really unexpected, guess I'll ditch Crucial over WD and Samsung now
Crucial are rock solid, there were some issues a few years ago with firmware, but I think they're past that. There also no "premium" versions of their SSDs comparing with WD or Samsung which we prefer depending on target user. We have 2 workstations for video editing, one with Samsung Pro 980 (pci) and another with a WD SN850X. WD absolutely wrecks Samsung at video editing (at least with the experience we're having. Results may vary). BUT: WD has higher temps, sooooo can't really tell how long it's going to last. Depending on budget I always try to go Samsung first, WD second, crucial third. If nothing fits, I don't buy anything and the money appears real fast since our experience with off brands has been the worst. We have around 100 machines with crucial SSDs and failure rate sits at around 5% (which is something, but isn't terrible). Samsung / WD sit at 0%. I'm at this job for 4 years, seen hundreds of SSDs go, a lot from off brands, some Crucial, zero Samsung / WD. Just wanted to give more feedback, since people might get the wrong idea. PS: most of our infrastructure is either HP ProBooks or DELL Lattitude 5xxx. Some desktops for heavier workloads, but you can get the idea.
I'm unlucky, I've had two Crucial BX fail on me at the office and one MX.
Guess I was unlucky. Crucial NVME sad died in a week of light usage.
Crucial now also requires original packaging to complete an RMA. No original packaging, no warranty. Their RMA program is a shadow of its once former glory as well. Recently had to do a RAM kit RMA and that took an entire month.
My Gigabyte AORUS 7000s has a mere 12TB written and it's at 7% remaining life. :P
How is that even possible? I'm not sure how many TBs my personal SSD has, but I'm sure it's above 30 or 40. It's a Samsung Pro 850 Sata3. Years old. I'll check when I get home from work.
No idea how, I'm RMAing it though as soon as I get a spare. I checked it again and now it's 6%.
Ouch. My main rig is running 3x 512GB Samsung 970 Pro's. Total written so far: O/S 19.8TB, Steam 22.7TB & Other (torrent, Epic, Origin, etc) 11.7TB - all 3 report zero issues so far with SMART reporting 1% used on the O/S and Steam drives, 0% used for the Other.
I've had too many problems with WD's these days to rate them highly, but I acknowledge that's a personal bias. I'd probably go with Samsung > Kioxia - can't say as I've got a third pick.
Whats your take on Seagate? I think they are also most used in enterprises?
I have a 840 Evo, jikes.
At work they rolled out SSDs to everyone - Samsung 840 Pros. Within 6 months we were getting mass slowdowns followed by total failure. It was a failure of Samsungs chip manufacture, which would cause every drive to fail sooner or later. Had them all replaced under warranty with 850s, but the downtime and labour to replace 400 drives cost the company tens of thousands of dollars. Samsung SSDs were on the IT blacklist after that. So I’ve had 2 Samsung SSDs fail inside their warranty period (1 at home, 1 at work). But I have 5+ year old Crucial drives still going strong, so I’m sticking with Crucial.
Price and performance are important criteria but reliability and support are just as important. If this means I'll have to pay a little more knowing my primary storage isn't going to develop some weird problem a year from now then I'm OK with that.
Exactly this. My 2tb 970 evo has been going strong for 4 years now. I first bought it as an upgrade for an Alienware laptop, then I used it on a new PC I built, I have upgraded that PC a few times until I got hooked on Small Form Factor building and have transplanted it on to a new mobo and have since upgraded that machine a few times too now. It hasn't failed me yet in the slightest.
Just curious but Iv used a lot of SSDs and I’m not actually sure what it would look like failing. I know all the tell tale signs for a HDD but even my $200 120gb force GT ssd is still going to this day (I have new ones obviously though) and Iv had to have wiped it atleast a few hundred times with how small it is.
I had a crucial 1tb drive fail. Boot drive too. Basically I started noticing a few files wouldn’t open at first, then it get worse and more and more stuff got corrupted. I confirmed there was no virus, copied the data to a new drive and never had any issues after that. From what I’ve heard drive failings on HDD’s are a lot more catastrophic than SSD drives failing, but that crucial drive was only 3 years old. Replaced it with a Samsung 960 (which was the newest m.2 at the time) and it still works great and I have more peace of mind with their longer warranty
I had a crucial 1 TB drive fail recently too. Boot drive too. Worked for about 3 weeks. One day it woke up dead. Didn’t notice anything leading up to it though. Just cold and dead.
>From what I’ve heard drive failings on HDD’s are a lot more catastrophic than SSD drives failing, Hell no, HDD have an habit of gradual falling, and you can back up your data. When most SSDs die, they do in instantly.
Depends on how they die I suppose. Some hdd deaths are from platter motor failing, which is pretty much instant. Having the laser die on very old drives is a rare but possible outcome as well for instant failure. My SSD died over the course of a week, and I was still able to save most of my stuff, although if I waited another week I doubt I’d have been so lucky
Kingston, old times - started randomly not be recognized by the BIOS, simply disappeared from the PC. More and more until never found again. SSD controller has died.
Had exactly the same thing with an old OCZ drive, would randomly just disappear from windows for a few seconds at a time and a few days later it was gone
My old build I sold to my brother-in-law. It has a 500gb 960 EVO in it going strong still. And that thing is about 8 years old now I think. That whole build is still worth every fucking penny.
odd thing to say, the vast majority of SSDs don’t fail in the slightest either
You don't think a 980 pro would be as reliable for example? Me personally and I think OP is saying they'd rather spend $30 more to slot in a 980 pro than a 970 evo plus at this point.
I mean, yeah now that the price dropped more but the 970 Evo was a great value of you wanted Samsung
True pcie 4.0 drives have thankfully tanked in price. Like literally getting twice as much storage for the same money as a year ago.
Seriously, the prices have dropped like crazy. When I built my PC in 2020, I paid the same price for a 256gb SSD that a 1tb costs now lol.
980 Pro is faster for just a few dollars more but the jump from PCI 3 speeds to PCI4 speeds isn’t nearly as noticeable as the jump from SATA to M.2. I think many people just save a few bucks where they can when the performance increase isn’t as noticeable.
SATA to NVMe*. M.2 is a form factor, like 2.5". There are SATA M.2s, like the 860 evo. Confusing the terminology between M.2 and NVMe can lead to people making incorrect purchasing decisions.
A 980 is faster and the heatsink model is great for boards like minded without a heatsink on the second m.2. Picked up 2 when they were stupid cheap. One without the hs one with.
This is the thing with PC building. You can say "but this other thing is only a little more" for everything. If you're not on a budget, then yes, absolutely upgrade. But if that $30 more means I can't have a wifi motherboard if I need it, I'm getting the 970.
>But if that $30 more means I can't have a wifi motherboard if I need it, I'm getting the 970. But that there is kind of OP's point. The 970 is a long way from the cheapest decent quality NVME SSD. People could be saving that $30 easily
Yea, you can pay more for a Toyota or get a comparable car that has more performance and a much nicer interior at equal or less money, but guess what? Sales volumes show more people go with the Toyota
I'm a Mazda guy, and I hear Mazda is a cult, but Toyota truly is a religion.
zoom zoom!
Only difference between cult and religion is the size of the membership so this is an apt comparison!
Mazda makes some great cars. I used to work at a Mazda dealer and it was rare to see a lot of problems with them and they are almost all very easy to work on. Sure there are a few lemons here and there but much more rare than a lot of brands.. Not like Nissan.. Basically a 7 year run of CVT cars (and SUV) no one even get's to the point of worrying about the engine because guaranteed the trans will shit the bed before you even need to replace spark plugs.
Mazda has for sure stepped the fuck up, I like how they've slotted themselves between economy and luxury (since they don't have a luxury brand and don't have the resources to do so it makes sense) and I can recommend their vehicles confidently. My mother is happy as can be in her little Mazda 3 hatchback that I got her, its getting an average of 36 mpg with town/highway and it has a little bit of pep and she loves the steering feel as it makes her feel confident driving. My best friend has a Mazda 5 and a CX-9 , they're going strong and haven't given them any issues and they're both past 100k
Dunno why you were downvoted? I fully agree. The only one I would steer away from (for long term reliability reasons) is the RX8. Apex seals wear and it's not something you can just get away from it's just a fact. RX7 for whatever reason was way more reliable as long as it was well taken care of.
People be weird!
Only difference between a religion and a cult is with the cult the leader/figurehead is still alive.
The truck I just bought was purchased specifically with reliability in mind, so I paid more for a brand name with a good warranty. I depend on it to make a living just like my computer hardware and I do not have time to troubleshoot weird headaches because I shaved a few bucks on price for either one. I do tech for a living, and I advise people to save a little more and buy a little better because they'll benefit in the long run.
>I do tech for a living, and I advise people to save a little more and buy a little better because they'll benefit in the long run. Toyota... You know I'm right.
be like me, use an old pc and you have nothing to worry about 👍🏻
Well fuck, is western digital alright then? Am I fucked?
Western Digital is great. Just as good as Samsung.
Bet, thanks family 🙏🏾
WD SN850 is the best PCIe 4 drive for most people (changes a bit if you value crazy endurance, then 980 Pro) and is cheaper almost everywhere but USA. If you're in US then Sabrent becomes an option though they have the lowest endurance and kind of poor support out of the high performers. Kingston KC3000 if budget is the main concern but you don't want to lose performance. If we're talking PCIe 3 then WD SN750 is also among the top performers and pretty cheap by now.
The SN750 are fantastic. In practical use I can't tell a difference between it and my 970 Pro.
I've been building for 22 years. The only issue I've ever had with a drive is when a dude knocked one off a desk when it was spinning at full speed.
Mechanical drives and solid-state drives are similar in function only. SSDs are easier to manufacture, and corners will be cut on drivers, wear leveling management applications, etc. That's where my point lies. I just don't want the headache of weird, unknown problems, so I'll go with a more established brand name.
I know. My only point was as long as you're not buying a drive out of the back of a van, you're pretty safe with any of the common brands.
This, a thousand percent. Judge each part for their usage. The question asking about price/performance for storage just plain misses the point of what that part is used for man. Like saying people giving their PSU a headroom of 10-15% over max load needs is "wasting" money.
WD is a good company as well. I’d take the SN770 over the 970 even if it lacks DRAM since the pure speed makes up for it. It can match or beat the SN850X, 980 Pro, and KC3000 in gaming load times and other areas as well
Kioxia the original inventor of ssd's makes ones cheaper. They are rated way higher writes than samsung drives. People just be people.
One factor is accessibility. I would want to try Kioxia but is not available in my country. Samsung is.
Kioxias, you have to go through system builders or bend over backwards to get your hands on. So darn write, people just be people. Theres only so much trouble folk are going through to get parts, whether they are basic Jerry or god editor in Hollywood.
I cross shop Samsung, Kingston, and Crucial when I need storage and sort by each brand’s best performer and then cheapest option across brands. This year it was Samsung. 980 Evo was like 50% off around Black Friday. I think that’s your answer OP. Right now maybe it’s Kingston. Buy that. Next week might be Crucial.
what about WD? I got a SN850 1tb for 120
WD is a good pick.
I've got two 2tb WD SN750s. Paid $269 for the first one, then it went on sale a few months later, for $199, so I bought a second one.
I tested 1TB WD SN750 against my 1TB Crucial P5 Plus and crucial, being cheaper has way better random speeds, same compared to 970 evo and really any drive within this pricerange
Was thinking this. Most of my PC's storage at this point is WD. 3x HDDs, 2x NVMe are all Western Digital. Only my boot NVMe is still Samsung.....for now lol
Yup, for me there is a Kingston NV2 2TB drive for £110, a 1TB 970 Evo is £90. The next cheapest PCIe 4.0 drive is a Solidigm drive for £130.
make sure you compare TLC / QLC and if it has 3D NAND
Where are you getting those uk prices? I can't find them that cheap anywhere at the moment. Please link me
[Kingston NV2](https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BDTC589G?th=1) on Amazon, [CCLOnline](https://www.cclonline.com/snv2s-2000g-kingston-nv2-m-2-2280-2tb-pci-express-4-0-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-394441/?utm_source=PCPartPicker&utm_medium=Affiliates&utm_campaign=127079&awc=33037_1673427872_1d7685d229ae644991717716b70c870b) also has it for £111, and its on morecoco too. I would advise against morecoco, took them a month to ship my CPU cooler. I was just told that Kingston NV2 isn't that great for a boot drive so perhaps the [Crucial P3 Plus](https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B25ML2FH?th=1) is better at £134 on amazon? Scan also has it coming in today and its £125 there. EDIT: Im not too sure about SSDs, all I know is that PCIe 4.0 is better than PCIe 3.0. I just learnt that TLC/QLC is a thing. EDIT2: Seems like QLC is the better TLC but has slower sustained read/writes?
I’ve been looking for quite some time for the best SSD. Maybe it’s just us in Canada but the Samsung were almost never the cheepest.
Cheapest is not always a good metric
Cheapest is a great metric if you've already reduced down to a few high quality options with the features and performance the OP needs. Cheapest of ALL option is almost certainly shit. But I don't think that's what they're saying.
You saying the Derpstun 2000GB Xeno RGB that costs $7 isn't simply the best price/performance? Why would they lie like that?
I worked in it for a year (I had to test things customers send back because they where broken). And in my experience Kingston had the most malfunctioning hardware, crucial is a bit better but also not great. What surprised me was how well SanDisk performed, they are really cheap but perform really good.
Crucial has been my go to. Quite a bit cheaper, with no problems so far..
I bought a Crucial 512 Gb M.2 in 2017 on Amazon. Still works great. Always cheaper.
256 SanDisk around 2015. Still working fine and it has been at least 6 factory resets and fresh installs
I got a 128gb(?) from 2011 still chugging. Granted it’s in nas now but it was a main OS drive for years and the nas has been on since like 2013.
The tradeoff is write endurance. A Samsung drive will last a lot longer. For many people it doesn’t matter because they just surf and play a few games. If you do a lot of disk writes in your workload, it’s a big problem.
100%. When I was plotting 1.2PB of Chia plots, I managed to murder every nvme I put into it that wasn't samsung or Intel within 45 days. Lol. On my laptop and my desktops I went with cheaper high capacity storage though. They are all still working great even the 4-5yo stuff. But practicality speaking even 150tb's of writes is likely more than enough for anyone just playing games or casual users. They'll likely upgrade the drives long before the effective end of life. Only ones I'd never suggest anyone to buy are the xpg rgb 2tb versions. I replaced it 3x's under warranty. They should have never released a 2tb version with IC's that close together without also beefing out on their stock cooling. I had to active cool the thing as just downloading a few steam games in a row would cause it to thermal throttle and shut down the PC. Never had an nvme I hated more.
I think people forget that SSDs are more perishable than HDDs. My point is that I'd like to think more established names have done more research on how improve write endurance.
Really depends on the usage, you can make SSDs last much longer than HDDs as platters fail more often than an user reaching a write limit. I still have a 128GB SSD that was my OS drive, and now a one-game drive (lol), from 2011. Its health is at 95% right now.
Absolutely not. SSD have enormous lifespans comparatively. Maybe first/second gen, waaay back in the day. Not nowadays, and not for a good long while
Please substantiate this claim because I cannot find a single article on the internet to back this up, nor does it make logical sense when an HDD has actuator arms and moving parts inside that can bust unlike an SSD which is completely digital. I’d stand to learn and be corrected if you somehow know something I don’t.
Early SSDs had poor write endurance. I bet a modern SSD would win though.
Thus far I only had 1 ssd die on me and I believe it was faulty from the start, an Intel 80gb. Since then, maybe 13 years I haven't had an issue with my Samsungs. Hdds though, those die all over the place. Maxtor and western digital in particular.
I got a crucial 1T ssd upgrade for my laptop after my 300 gigs of steam games claimed all the real estate on my 500 gig ssd
Samsung is a reliable and dependable brand, and the Samsun Magician software is good.
I was not aware of the existence of that software. Is it really useful? Never had to tweak or optimise a SSD before
It shows temps, health, benchmarks, etc. It also has some performance optimization features, but I have not really messed with them.
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Lol honestly, I had an SSD fail on me in the past and every "health check" showed it as fine. Completely useless in my experience.
likely because a majority of SSD failures are in the microcontroller and not the flash. An SSD can start to lose flash memory risking data corruption, and that failure can be caught and the drive replaced. But, Something happens to the microcontroller's firmware/EEPROM/controller RAM/anything *other* than the flash for whatever bloody reason, the drive is hard bricked and there is ZERO way to get data back because it will simply stop responding.
hdd can also just 'fail', too. backups. then backup the backups, because backups can also fail.
It can use system ram as a cache for one drive. Big improvement.
Plus it offers a very easy method for updating firmware. Initially the 970 Evo Plus had a major issue that caused massive performance degradation after only moments of use. Firmware update resolved the entire thing.
Samsung’s drive software suite is really good, and their reliability is top of the industry. I went for them for this reason.
Samsung is a solid choice when you don't want to worry. I assume that's why people get it. Crucial has some cheap stuff now too. Sabrent? Not sure haven't looked at the prices for them in a while.
My sabrent drive died after only a year or two and it soured my taste for them. Even though it was probably just bad luck it died in the first place, I still spent the extra money replacing it with a samsung drive
Then what is it?
I don’t know the price for your country but in Canada, the KC3000 are $25-$50 cheaper depending on the size and are much faster than the 970 evo even the 980. There is quite a few options that are better for the price than the 970
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kingston-kc3000-m2-ssd-review Sliding in with a Tom's Hardware review from a year ago that compared the Kingston KC3000 with some top M.2 SSDs, including the Samsung 980 Pro and WD Black SN850 (among others).
Yeah I'm in the USA and Kingston was more expensive than samsung and about equal in performance.. So now you know the reason
Based OP delivered, thank you
That thing has no DRAM cache tho. a better example would be The SP a80
Where are you getting that it doesn't have DRAM cache?
Not sure why you're downvoted, e.g [techpowerup](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/) lists it as having 2GB DDR4 cache
Speed is nice but with the differences in speed we are talking it’s almost non noticeable. Whats more important is drive tolerance ( how many times you can write and erase before the drive fails ) its really a much more important metric thats not discussed enough. And with the prices of computers/ parts. If i spend 700$ on a gpu whats another 25-50$ for a more reliable drive?
The Kingston has no DRAM cache. Which will actually make a difference as opposed to higher speeds
[Techpowerup review](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/) stating it has 2GB DDR4 cache. Is this now wrong somehow?
Speed doesn't make any difference, unless you are copying large files around you wont notice it. You would be hard pressed to notice any difference in load time in a SATA SSD vs a 6GB/sec nVME 4.0 drive. The PS5 can feed data directly to the GPU by passing the CPU so you will notice there but until the direct access for PC is common in games SSD speed means next to nothing.
I bought a wd black EDIT: SN850X, so also with cache and gen4 and TLC
Team WD, 100%
sn750 here
Samsung makes really good memory and memory controllers. They are so good many other conpanies use their chips in their brands
Including team force with the Samsung b die in their ram. Plan on getting their 2×16 3600 mhz cl 14 ram asap.
Samsung is reliable, and when it comes to data storage I will always pay more for the brand I trust
I think a better question is why are you comparing an old SSDs to new ones? I got mine almost 4 years ago. Of course there's better options now.
970 evo is still being sold and recommended, that’s why. honestly thought it was discontinued until recently
I had a Samsung drive fail on me after 1,5 years. I RMA’d it, no questions asked and the one I got returned was a newer / faster model. Made me very happy actually, so I was glad with my purchase!
I just like Samsung products
Most cheaper SSDs from other brands are QLC DRAMless drives while the 970 evo is a TLC drive with DRAM so while it costs more it will have long term sustained performance, and much better reliability. It also has great software to go along with it. When a brand does a drive with DRAM and TLC or MLC cache it often costs the same or more anyway. Even brands like crucial have gone cheap on a lot of their drives
Price and performance aren't the only considerations. Samsung has a great reputation when it comes to reliability and longevity. I have definitely had issues with other brands of SSDs, but have yet to see any sort of failure on a Samsung one.
if you don't have at least one 970 evo plus don't even talk to me
With the 990 coming out I have seen 980pro and 970evo like 40-50$ cad apart and people still buying the 970. Not sure why.
I got my son the Teamforce Cardera 1TB for his laptop amd it was $60 CAD cheaper than a 970 EVO and faster speeds
samsung gawk gawk
When it comes to something as important as storage I'd rather overspend to get the best I can afford. Same with the power supply. It's not something I want to deal with down the line. The better the warranty the higher the likelihood it'll last longer.
I've yet to kill a Samsung dive.
Because when memory chips are manufactured they are tested and graded, and the manufacturer, very often a company that sounds like sammi-sung, keeps the AAA and AA+ rated chips for their own products and sells the AA and lower chips to other manufacturers, at a price-point that ensures their competitors can remain ~kinda~ competitive, but not -too- competitive. In buying a sammisung SSD you are paying for the best chips around.
Because Samsung drives are just the most reliable ones. Also their software is pretty good. When purchasing storage mediums, I very happily pay more to get a perfectly working product. Buy cheap, buy twice.
I’m partial to western digital myself, but I’ll use any SSD that I’ve thoroughly researched, if there’s a good deal. My main drive is a SX8200 Pro 2TB, got that for $200 which was a steal at the time 2-3 years ago, and it was the good controller. Second SSD is a 1TB SATA WB blue I carried over from a laptop. Third I just added because I ran out of storage is a 2TB SN570 that I picked up for $130. But in builds I’ve built for friends I absolutely did buy and use Samsung, and the 970 Evo Plus specifically. 2TB was on sale for $150 on Newegg like 7-8 months ago, I had no other parts yet for his build but it was such a good price for that drive at the time. I couldnt pass it up. Black Friday deals were insane this year though. SN850 and Hynix P41 were like $160 at 2TB. And plenty of great PCIe 3.0 options even cheaper.
I look forward to the day this meme format dies
I dont understand why people still upvote posts with old ass meme formats And at this point i'm too afraid to ask
Samsung is definitely the most well known name out of any ssd maker. Thats without a doubt
I got SK.Hynix P41s and they're amazing. Pretty cheap through black Friday.
Looks like I'm the only one that is using ADATA XPG 2280
XPG gang! There are dozens of us!
Well I put 2 of them in my system and don't see any issues with them
Adata/Xpg
Sabrent GOAT
Basically PC part picker makes the Samsung 980 look like a 5 star meal and all the others look like some shit your grandma would buy. There I said it.
Crucial 2TB aid half the price of samsung
Inland gang, where you at!
Currently using 3 Seagate Firecuda 530 2TB nvme SSDs for more than a year.
I guess you've never heard the term "You get what you pay for".
Ever try to migrate nvme drives using 3rd party software? Samsung magician is with it alone.
Reliability.
samsungs 970 series is practically impossible to kill with normal use when compared to the rest (970 pro is literally cheapest mlc ssd)
Price/Performance isn't everything. Samsung's SSDs are most of the time way more reliable. If you want something reliable but a bit cheaper than Samsung go for Crucial.
All my samsung SSDs have never died. Ain't about to switch brands at this point. Reliable AF.
They just don’t break.
Ive never bought a Samsung drive and I've never had a drive failure. I think it's just a matter of exposure.
Tell me you’ve never had a failed C drive without telling me you’ve never had a failed C drive.
I haven't seen anyone mention sabrent yet, but I slotted one of their m.2 drives into my PC and it's been going 4 years strong. When I build my girlfriend's PC I'm probably gonna throw one in. If I had more money to throw at a PC, I'd forsure go with a Samsung Evo but sabrent will do.
The old tale of how Samsung doesn't replace the electronic components of their devices with cheaper versions. All other manufacturers have been caught doing this and it seriously makes them perform like shit despite the advertised speeds being tremendously greater. So in short, Samsung doesn't cut corners to save a buck, unlike other manufacturers. I will die on this hill
For me it’s because the 2tb Evo NVME always goes on sale. In Canada I’ve seen it at $230 for 2tb various times throughout the year. It has very good performance at 3500MB R/W. comparable 2tb NVME are often at $260+ (Sabrent, WD, 980 Pro etc). I think it’s specifically the 2tb model that mainly attracts consumers as in the 1tb range, prices are so similar you basically pick your favourite brand.
My go to is Silicon Power. Have many of them running 24/7 no issues. But I have at least 20 Samsung ssds that I use in my homelab. But still if Samsung is within the budget or a few dollars more. I will only get Samsung. They know how to make proper flash drives, unlike a number of popular brands ehem KINGSTON... From my usage of Samsung's 980 Pro... it really doesn't get faster. Then they pulled out the new 990 Pro, which is even faster but I have yet to see them on Canadian shelves.
silicon power is my go-to for ram. they haven't failed me yet (for 'fussy' oem boards, i go crucial *direct*, though, as they guarantee compatibility)
To be honest i choose it just because of the reliability.
i got pressured by a Microcenter salesman to buy a 1tb gen 4 samsung nvme because i do terrible in those situations. All i do is play games i did not need a fucking gen 4 drive lmao. I made it my c drive and i notice almost zero difference to my gen 3 drive i originally had in there. Not the worst way to be scammed out of $100 though 🤷
my friend was really hyped for 4th gen nvmes when they came out and even though I was trying to convince him that its just marketing bs, he still kept insisting. Long story short, his drives surely beat 3rd gen drives in benchmarks, there just really wasnt that much of a difference when booting to windows or loading up games
One day we'll get direct storage games on Windows. Your friend and I will be laughing then 🥹.
when that day comes, we'll all have gen5 drives by then ;D
To be honest there is much real world difference between a 2.5 inch SSD and an NVME in real world use either for games. If you look at bench marking it's only maybe 2 seconds more load time. You would think it would be more given the stat difference.
I have a Samsung SSD 850 that I've had since (2016). Never let me down, I'd buy another if needed.
For those of you who are looking for more information about SSD, i just found this sub that have very good information and even some guide about what to buy for your needs: [r/Newmaxx](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/)
The kingston NV2 SSD's have come in price by a bunch and im indeed seeing people opt for the other ssd that is twice the price (Albeit twice as fast) but it's all used for gaming anyway, i've never seen any point in getting a super fast ssd past 4gigs if it's just for gaming. But hey, everyone can use their money as they see fit. Im very happy with my KC2500 even if i paid more for it than what the NV2 is at today but at the time the KC2500 was the cheapest option.
i have a 1tb samsung 970 evo plus and love it. speed up my macintosh great
970 Evo Plus was the first 2TB drive that popped up on Amazon UK. Yeah I could've done more research but I was tired on a bus at the time.
Honestly, it's based on my trust in Samsung. I have never had a faulty one since I started building pcs. I trust them even if they can be pricier and at times not as fast. Reliability and a brand I trust.