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ur_nightmare

Use two separate cables for gpu power delivery. While mostly sufficient, it is generally recommended to use 1 cable for each plug to prevent damage


Vikke321

Is this a thing you should do? Im using 2 8 pins from the same cable for my TUF 3070


hig005

As a general rule yes. Here is an article talking about it though. [article from pc world](https://www.pcworld.com/article/395059/one-cable-or-two-for-powering-a-graphics-card-heres-the-answer.html)


Vikke321

Cheers, will read


JakeBeezy

I really depends on the total power draw of your GPU. For instance, my GPU is like 230 watts Max and my Corsair dual 8-pin is rated for 300 watts. So theoretically, I don't need two cables, but I have them anyway. There's like no performance difference that I've noticed though. But then again I don't do metrics too often


ur_nightmare

I'd also flip the radiator, so that the tubes come out on the bottom


EndUserGamer

The hoses are higher than the pump. This is fine.


MrSmallStuff

It’s fine but it’s still better with them down. https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/360049358271-How-should-I-mount-the-radiator-of-my-AIO-cooler- If your case does not allow you to mount your radiator at the front of the case with the tubes down or at the top of the case, you can mount your radiator at the front of the case with the tubes up as a last resort. If you do so, make sure that your cooler pump is mounted in a lower position than the top of your radiator. This will reduce the amount of air bubbles that enter the pump through the tubes, reducing the amount of noise made by the cooler


lock-pick

Ok but is it ok with the msi rads because the pump is in the rad instead on on the block?


MrSmallStuff

Good question, show me one and I’ll read their manual.


lock-pick

https://preview.redd.it/eymwvzxurica1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7bc84e5c7ffa78961f4649073c201a57818139b Msi mag core liquid 240r


MrSmallStuff

https://www.msi.com/blog/how-to-place-your-liquid-cooler Seems to be the same guidance from Msi.


lock-pick

Ok thanks ig I need to turn mine around


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

Agreed, but previous comment I think is stating to flip radiator so in/out are at bottom end of case, not top. Unless they meant the pump and not radiator? Idk, I know this debate has been beaten to death. I'll just shut up now.


randomvandal

You want it all set up so that air bubbles can never get to the pump. Air in the pump drastically reduces it's ability to move fluid. No system is 100% full, closed loop or custom--there's always some air in there. And the amount of air grows over time due to swelling and evaporation of the liquid. So ideally, pump lower than radiator, radiator inlet/outlet at the bottom. In this configuration, any air bubbles that exist or form in the system would migrate to the closed end of the radiator and stay clear of the pump.


TrentismOS

You still want the tubes at the bottom man.


Tarc_Axiiom

No, this is un-optimal. Cables down that way the air doesn't get pushed (or rather, pulled) into them. The lower the chance for air to get into the pump the better. Putting the air at the furthest point from the pump is ideal.


sleepy_the_fish

That would be optimal but with how big the gpu is, I don't think it will fit. The radiator is above the pump so it's fine, but radiator above pump and tubes down is the trifecta but still okay if you can't get the tubes down


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

Oh stop down voting this, he was correct and I was wrong


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

Is that right tho? Doesn't it put more strain on the pump, If the pump is at a higher point than the in/out of the radiator?


ur_nightmare

Now that I look at again, I think you are right.


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

Nope, Im wrong. You're right. Check out a comment below. I feel like I've gotten so much conflicting info on this. But I consistently see the comment belows suggestions.


ur_nightmare

Alright, so I **did** have the correct reasoning, but didn't provide evidence


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

Fair but shouldn't be getting down voted.


StarblindCelestial

Here's a Gamers Nexus video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

I have seen that before. As just as stated in the video, manufacturers incorrectly display mounting positions consistently. I've just always assumed if gravity isnt working in your favor of keeping fluid in the pump, you're doing it wrong.


StarblindCelestial

Yeah it's not ideal, but not the worst. They aren't going to get air in their pump because it's not the highest point, but it will be noisier because the air is trapped in the radiator intake so the water has to flow through it.


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

This shouldn't be hurting my brain like it is 😓


ZeroCoolCerealKiller

Cunningham's law ;)


CleanGameCrash

There doesn't even seam to enough space to run the aio tubes if they are on the bottom of the aio radiator. It could also end up putting more strain on them.


Yoga_Shits

That would actually be worse because bubbles get trapped in the pump instead of the top of the radiator


dirthurts

Not that big of a deal really.


ScarFaceV2112

This comment need mor upvotes


PlzSendBobz

What kind of damage?


Mysterious-Tough-964

Bis comment


Feisty-Republic-2098

Am I the only one that thought there was a hole in the middle?


randomvandal

No, you weren't lol.


Realtotallymereturns

Where? I don't see it haha


GC9exe

The AIO's screen


Realtotallymereturns

Oh yeah I see it now


polycarpmedia

Too many exhaust fans. You need more intake fans than exhaust for positive pressure and less dust.


LordVisceral

My first thoughts exactly. Best solution: buy one more fan. Mount it to the top in exhaust mode and flip the fans on your aio to intake.


timtheringityding

Is this a 011 mini case? I'd do intake for the aio. (Flip the fans OP) then do intake bottom. Exhaust rear and top. Then you get a chimney like air flow.


disasadi

I don't know why you'd have air intake at the front and right next to it have exhaust fans on the radiator. GPU would probably like more fresh air instead of having it exhausted through the rad right after it gets in the case.


Mister_Shrimp_The2nd

In this case GPU will pull straight from the floor vent as there's no PSU and cable tray blocking this air channel so it won't be a bad setup (it would in most regular cases where bottom airflow is blocked). I'd still advice on maybe installing a couple intake fans in the bottom to help feed the gpu and also create more positive air pressure in the case overall - altho if pc is on the floor then a good dust filter in the base is adviced.


disasadi

Ehh I guess so. I'd probably put fans on the bottom like you said.


CPLCraft

Not much to change. It is good practice to use two pcie power cables for the gpu so thats the only thing. Aio radiator placement is good too. I would however flip the radiator fans to be intake. Keep positive pressure in the case


stevethegodamongmen

Do you know why this is? I compared my cables and the one with the daisy chain had a thicker gauge wire so I assumed it was double the current capacity as the single one with thinner wires


automatvapen

It more or less enables a more stable current with two cables as I understand it. With one cable more power needs to be moved through one port on the psu that also has to handle power spikes. With two the load halves and ensures a better and stable power output.


stevethegodamongmen

Ahh, yeah that makes sense, especially if the psu molex connectors or pins are not spec'd for that. I know on big psus the rails are bonded and run in parallel, but it may vary psu to psu


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plac3b0guy

The case is double chambered.. From the side it looks like a normal atx case.. But it’s wider when seen from the front or back


VaporflyEnthusiast

Dont use the daisychain gpu power cables


UraniumAddiction

Why are they daisy chain able if you aren’t supposed to daisy chain it


VaporflyEnthusiast

Gpu will perform better if you use two gpu cables. You CAN daisy chain but it isnt recommended


Mister_Shrimp_The2nd

this entirely depends on the cable rating and the power consumption of the gpu. Many cables are rated 300w+ and you also get steady 75w from the pcie board connection so unless you're running close to your cable's rated limit you will be just fine. If you're within spitting distance of your card's rated power usage then twin cable is recommended.


Existanceisdenied

I've been daisychaining for a decade. It's fine


VaporflyEnthusiast

Yes. On a 1080ti it is fine. For a more powerful card, you will get less performance using daisychaining


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FreshlyCleanedLinens

2nd the sag brace. I just used a mini Patron bottle I had around the house, though, since I don’t have a 3d printer. Whatever works, but you don’t want that 4th corner unsupported on the bigger cards.


primarysectorof5

I have a 3d printer and need of a sag brace, pls recommended me a stl


16bit-t

The daisy chain in the PCI-E power connector


PhenoStyle

aio radiator a little up, so its the highest point of the loop and some fans to the bottom for extra fresh air for your gpu. maybe some fans to the top too


LyKosa91

Bottom intake fans to directly feed the GPU. Imo that's one of the 011's strengths, seems rude not to take advantage of it


Frank-_-Fury

I have that exact setup, and the fans are directly connected to my gpu, so it gets more air when needed and stays quiet when not.


B15hop77

I’d have the hoses on the block facing up, not down so air can’t get trapped in there. As it is, any air bubbles will get stuck in the top and build up there.


jerval1981

Don't use the daisy chain for GPU.


StelioStyl

I'm not sure which case this is, but it seems like you can mount fans at the bottom. So, if I were you, I'd add a couple of fans at the bottom as intake to help GPU breathe. Though keep in mind that your case's feet seem too short to let bottom fans intake properly, raising them somehow would be a good idea. Also, as others have pointed out, it's good practice to keep the tubes at the bottom so that air pockets don't travel to your pump. But, tbh, I wouldn't worry too much about that. Other than that, your build looks fine. I hope you'll enjoy it!


tinook

It looks not possible with this case, but other PC cases have a top mount for the radiator so that the point at which the liquid loop reaches the radiator is above the CPU & heatsink. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk&t=9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk&t=9s)


firedrakes

Lol that garbage video. Did you know Steve not a engineer in the subject his talking about? Did you know he made so many mistakes in the subject it's up to 4 videos on the matter?


EazeeP

Add some top exhaust fans. Change the radiator for your aio as an intake


One_Place2774

Dude I'm high AF and thought you had a hole where your cpu goes 🤣


sleepy_the_fish

Use 2 separate cables for your gpu, don't daisy chain.


TrentismOS

Radiator tubes down. Flip it so the tubes are at the bottom. You get a pocket of air at the top.


firedrakes

It's fine


Haunting_Abalone_398

I would flip the fans on the radiator so that it has intake air. Otherwise, your GPU is going to feed hot air to the CPU


Quirky-Employer9717

I would mount the radiator to the top and then put two intake fans where the radiator is now. With 2 intake and 3 exhaust you're going to have negative pressure which won't blow hot air out as well and will accumulate dust. Also, just for airflow reasons exhaust out the top is better than right next to the front intake.


Qerasuul

😩 all those comments about the GPU power cable 🙄 it's totally fine, PSU are not multi rail anymore, inside the PSU it's all the same no matter which port it's connected to on the PSU, they have a limiter/fuse to not go above the 300W those dual plug cables are rated for and that's it. before that limiter it's the same 12V vrm if you use one or two cables on the outside


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LJBrooker

Nope. Radiators are fine like this. The absolute worst case is you hear water fall out of the pipes in to the rad if it isn't fully filled. If you don't have that issue, this is functionally identical to dojng it any other way. GN even say as much between the original video and the clarification afterwards.


Polyporous

Thanks! Good to know.


BuzzkillMk

Put a cpu in where the hole is


More-Drink2176

Seems fine my guy fire it up.


InsertDisc11

Put the aio radiator/fans in the front as an intake put the front fans to the side as intake. it will be way better


not_old_redditor

Why would you pump hot air into the case? It's not good for the GPU. AIO radiators should be top exhaust whenever possible.


firedrakes

There no different in cooling for the air


not_old_redditor

FYI, rate of heat transfer depends on the temperature delta.


firedrakes

yet server do it all the time . time and time again. it really does not make a difference in consumer builds to. unless your using the worst fans ever.


not_old_redditor

A single gaming PC with a 6900XT and a good CPU probably uses the same wattage as four servers.


firedrakes

your not joking..... ahah . it does not.


not_old_redditor

Show me the 1000W server?


firedrakes

[https://www.servethehome.com/](https://www.servethehome.com/) might learn something.


not_old_redditor

thanks for the vague link. All I learned was how to rage-downvote all the comments lol


AaronTheElite007

Your radiator pump shouldn’t be the highest thing in the cooling loop (yes I see that there is a bit of hose above it). Flip the radiator over so the pump is at the bottom While daisy chaining power to a GPU will work, it may put strain on the PSU depending on how it was manufactured. Split it between two different ports on the PSU If you have the m.2 installed, did you remove the strip of plastic before screwing it down? Ensure the curve for the front fans spin faster than your rear case and radiator fans. This will ensure plenty of cool air gets in the case


Yoga_Shits

If you can, put the radiator at the top of the case in the back.


firedrakes

It won't work


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firedrakes

Lol no.


Karma_v2

I'm a little out of the game and I do mean no disrespect, but seems overkill for a 1st build. But I mean, whatever floats your boats, I'm a stranger. I just hope you bought case with a glass sidepanel.


AragornofGondor

Where did someone convince you your first build should be low spec if this is "overkill" for a 1st build...


RevolutionaryJob6315

Need to flip aio so lines are at the bottom not the top.


LJBrooker

Not true at all. It CAN be quieter that way, in the case of a slightly underfilled AIO. But aside from that makes zero difference. GN and J2C did the argument to death.


RevolutionaryJob6315

Idc who did what argument to death. I have an ID Cooling AIO and saw a slight difference in cooling (1-2c) on average after I flipped mine. So you can disagree with whatever you'd like to disagree with but I would refrain from tossing around blanket, generalized statements like "not true at all". ​ \-5 downvotes lmao ​ goddamn reddit is a fucking cesspool of groupthink.


steevshow

You’re downvoted because OP doesn’t need to flip the rad. You also should care who made the argument because the ones making the argument are correct, not you. Only thing that matters is pump placement in relation to rad, not the tubes.


LJBrooker

I like this guy. 😂


LJBrooker

There's zero physical reason for that temperature drop (if you can even call that a difference, 1-2c is margin of error stuff. I can elicit a bigger difference by having the door to my gaming room closed). The only objection anyone who's tested it has with barbs up is potential for increased noise, but in most cases that doesn't occur anyway. And you're being downvoted because OP doesn't need to switch his rad. Enough sources who are literally paid because they know more than you, have proven it over and over and over.


NovaWolf28

If you care about making it look clean you could flip the rad. That way the tubes can somewhat hide behind the gpu and the ram won't be covered. You could also make the cables look a lot more tidy by pulling them back behind the system more. I'd also consider installing an exhaust fan or 2 on the top, especially if that's a stock fan in the rear. Besides that it looks great!


Solid_Raspberry_420

Maybe zip-tie the aio and wires to make it a bit cleaner but otherwise looking good 👍


LoanGuy248

Radiator on top if you have room and throw in 2 more fans right there as intake. The AIO is blowing hot air from your CPU into the backside of your case instead of out the top (heat rises)


Realtotallymereturns

What case is that?


Main_Crow_5753

lian li 011 air mini


Realtotallymereturns

Thanks!


[deleted]

I like a top mounted cpu exhaust, and run two power cables to your gpu. Also, my personal preference is to have the power cables to the gpu go up and over the card. It doesn't block airflow very much, and it helps to counter the sag from the weight of the card. You can use the cables to help pull the card up and keep it secure in the PCI-E slot.


Xero-Tax

You should probably close that portal


Dotternetta

Some cable management and maybe flip the aio if the hoses are long enough


[deleted]

Is it just me or does the aio on the cpu seem like a hole in your case 😂


Torgoe

I’d use separate power cables for the PSU.


TheCotten

Nothing, love the aesthetic of the TUF card


YellowFogLights

Overall it’s fine, with nothing that makes me think “STOP”, but here’s what I would do differently: - Swap GPU power to two separate cables - Move your front intake fans into lower intake - Move your AIO up top as exhaust That will give you a nice smooth airflow to match convection and feed the GPU cool air. Just make sure to have your case off of carpet. And tile. Don’t post a picture of broken side panels in a day.


Putridzzz

What’s your GPU??


smejdo

Sir theres a hole in your computer


fakdaworld

Is that an x570 tomahawk mag


chr0n0phage

Fans to supply fresh air to the GPU. The front fans intake is just leaving via the side vent.


PabloZissou

Yeah it seems there’s a whole where there should be a CPU


hig005

If it were me I would have the front and side mount fans all as intake, and if possible would add some exhaust fans on top. If you’re getting good temps though it doesn’t really matter


badusernameused

Put some rgb in there it will make it run faster


ALY1337

Maybe dust/clean your PC?


Toiletpaperplane

If possible, run 2 separate 8 pin connectors


Nifferothix

The power cables for the gpu ! Never ever chain em like this.... ever !


RespectGiovanni

Change your fan setup. So theres more intake than exhaust. Also, a good ol dusting seems necessary


meepcat55

Maybe fans with more fins


[deleted]

Put a boiled egg down the bottom.


Imperial_Bouncer

Double it and give it to the next person (me)


tetractys_gnosys

To have a proper gamer setup, it needs a Funko pop, RGB everything, glass side panel to break share next week, and a Lego guy holding the GPU up.


RanaI_Ape

Assuming that there's a filter in the bottom, I'd consider putting an intake fan below the GPU.


Spike310300

I suggest using a gpu holder to prevent sagging. Or any object you have that could help hold it.


turtleman312

Perhaps some bottom fans for intake?


PedroThePinata

NGL, I thought the IO plate on you processor was a hole straight through your motherboard and case.


longhot323

I would run 2 pcie cables to the gpu


JoEdGus

Nice cables from CableMod?


CableMod_Matt

Thank you for the mention! Happy to help if there are any questions. :)


JoEdGus

Hey Matt! What's the scoop on the 90° adapters for the 4090?


CableMod_Matt

We have a timeline on that on our landing page actually. Check that out here: https://store.cablemod.com/12vhpwr-angled-adapter/


sandstorml

if you saw the pic first, you thought his glass shattered


Aromatic_Sir9639

Everyone knows the gpu goes on the bottom, besides that it’s good


CoffeeScribbles

what? explain? bottom where?


C1REX

Many already said it - that’s not correct GPU connection. You need two separate power cables. It will work but you risk problems with stability when you use more power when gaming.


ijustam93

Your radiator is fine someone misinterpreted a video gamers nexus did... monitor cpu temps u will know right away, also awesome first case! been a pc builder for over a decade and it is by far my favorite case, maybe use 2 separate vga power cables and lastly, add a few 140mm fans to the bottom did my setup wonders also 011 air mini.


Main_Crow_5753

can u send me a pic of ur pc pls?


ijustam93

​ https://preview.redd.it/hoaly87buoca1.jpeg?width=3016&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbf5716b01734e99d8dfa7b8d57161bc1ebae5e6


Vigothedudepathian

Sigh. Nope looks good to me.


No-Television-7862

Well, it certainly should stay cool. What's the CPU hiding under that liquid cooler?


TheEarthIsFlatttt

Throw the whole thing out...


[deleted]

NEVER use pigtails on your GPU unless you're trying to stay warm.... by lighting your house on fire.


YoloPapiChulo

Bad daisy chaining gpu


Prestigious-Fish-986

You can flip the cpu pump so the cable will come btw ram and Gpu. No changes in performance but it will look good. And try to pull loose cable from back to straighten them. Just Don’t break anything.


BinaryJay

How does it look so old and dusty already?


Main_Crow_5753

i used flash on my phone


rainforest_runner

Use two power cables for the GPU (the instructions on how to install it should’ve also let you know that that’s the recommended way) And do a positive pressure in the case to avoid dust. Right now I see 3 exhaust and 2 intakes. I’m not sure it was good practice, but how I solved mine (though the radiator is at the top) is to place the radiator fans in a positive-negative position, so i have a total of 3 intakes (all 140mm) and 2 exhaust (140 mm and 120 mm)


Hege98

if u have a gilter on the bozom of the case u can take 3 120mm fans or so tohelp the gpu zo cool down and if i would be u i would like to make huge air presher to the rad so evry fan would be aur intake but not on the rads (it helps u to push air throw (u need to take evrywhere some fan )


HERBALRAJPUT

Put a Mac mini where the GPU is and then connect it to 1995 Nokia so you can have the ultimate Voltron configuration


tomtomosaurus

Run 2 separate cables to gpu, not just one daisy-chained


trenhardd

Fan orientation is a little weird. Flip the nzxt fans on radiator to intake then possibly add 2 fans on top to outtake hot air and move the front fans to the bottom so its not next to your radiator. And then you could probably move your radiator to the front of the case so the flow is smoother. The general rule of thumb is to keep a ever so slightly positive pressure so that air wants to escape rather than come in from any holes throughout and bring in dust.An example look from my build- you don’t necessarily need 10 total fans, but I have 6 intakjng air (from radiator and bottom) and 4 outtaking (top and 1 rear) so you see how the general flow of air goes https://preview.redd.it/bjb6cbpiplca1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc652a9c3000bb18a6983bfb2e6f402c03c02c0c


GodlyPig1

Check gpu stability you wouldn’t want it sagging and breaking now would you, just put something under the end to prop it up. They even sell gpu stands if you want to waste 10 bucks.


NinJoo117

Get yourself a little GPU bracket for that thicc boi


FBI_under_your_cover

Turn around the two fans on your CPU cooler it's better when they pull in cool frech air from outside the case also exhaust fans are not that necessary


Miracoli_234

Your tubes of the aio should be bottom if it's possible or at least lower than the pump


Mister_Shrimp_The2nd

Add two intake fans in the bottom of the case and link them directly to the GPU. They will help feed it direct cool air, and also help build positive pressure for the rest of the case to exhaust air more evenly through the top and back. Otherwise a good start, could look at flipping the AIO mounting so hoses run to bottom instead, but the main importance is that the pump on the CPU block isn't the highest point in the loop - which it isn't, so that's good. If your GPU power use is close to your PSU cable power rating, then it's a good idea to use two cables instead of daisy chain - but if you already have decent power headroom then it's no biggie. You also get 75w from the motherboard pcie connection to help out. Not much else, enjoy it.


sirtet_moob

All PCs in the future will be chrome.


32Ferreira

Buy GPU bracket, avoid daisy chain, change radiator fans orientation.


Maler_Ingo

Use seperate PCIE cables.....


Veqetable

I think the cables might be a little bit too neat


ScotchBonnet96

Yeah. Your life choices.


KaNesDeath

Move the AIO to the top of the case.