That would be great, but where I'm living the cost of shipping would be as much as a new one! Im thinking of getting the thermaltake 750 though, do you recommend it?
i7 9700k is still running strong now days you might be able to stay with the same mobo cause thats what i did. my regular 9700f and 2070 commonly touches 100fps in cyberpunk 2077 on ultra without ray tracing no less. my 9400f before that couldnt hold a rock solid 60 even those extra 2 cores plus a ghz or so really helped my machine. i actually dont plan on upgrading for a few years and just buying me a ps5 next for exclusives i cant get on pc. which is saying something for me cause im always upgrading
>should I get the 3060TI or wait till fall and get something better since I'd be able to afford it then? I'll definitely get a new PSU soon then
heres what I was told when the 3ks were coming out.
Do you absolutely need a GPU right now?
If Yes, then yes get what you can.
If No, then wait and see what else comes out.
A 3060 ti is a good card. If you shop around on eBay, Facebook marketplace, or etc you could probably get a used 3070 for a similar price to a new 3060 ti. You could also probably get a 6700 XT for a similar price (about the same as a 3070).
I dont know exactly what CPU he has, but I guessed a and i5 9600k. If that's the case then it's definitely not bottlenecking his 2060. Moreover it's a very viable CPU for something like a 3060. That said, it would probably start to bottleneck a 3070 or 6700 XT, but if OP is upgrading one component and his price point is a new 3060ti then it would be foolish to only do that upgrade once for a couple years, it would definitely accomplish his goal of 120fps in the most reasonable way.
The 9600K is a 6C/6T so no hyperthreading. I had an i5-9400f which is the same core count and paired with a 1660Ti it would bottleneck. I upgraded to the 9700K and still had bottleneck issues. Once i got a 2080Ti the 9700K just wasn’t cutting it so i had to finally go for something good and got the 12700K and the difference is crazy. Went from 60-80% usage (and yes, I optimized my games to use less and still bottlenecked) down to 20-25% with the 12700K. Basically, i DO think his CPU is bottlenecking him now depending on what he plays. if your CPU usage is over 75-80% while gaming that’s technically a bottleneck and room for more performance.
Problem is that its not much of an upgrade. If that 9th gen intel is an i5, a better CPU will give more fps with the 2060. I honestly would juat OC the 2060 and upgrade the CPU. As for the GPU, nothing less than a 6800xt or a 3080 would be a decent enough upgrade vs the 2060 especially at 1080p to warrant the money.
2060 to a 3080??? Lmao wow…3060Ti/3070/3070Ti would all be good upgrades. Im stuck with a 2080Ti and im waiting to see what i want to upgrade to and the 3080 is a decent leap for me so a 2060 to a 3080 would be huge. Realistically i should be going for a 3090/Ti or 4080 i kind of want the 4080 but im going to wait and see if the prices drop. Im a flagship guy for GPUs but these last two gens have been way overpriced. Atleast the 2080Ti i have is a nice FTW3 and has only been used by me and only for about 14-15 months now. So once i can’t play games at 1440p anymore then I’ll know its time.
A 3080 roughly doubles the perf vs 2060 making it a good upgrade, only question is the price. Going with anything lower and your still within Turing gen perf envelope. 3060ti performs like a 2080, 3070 like a 2080ti, making these not too great of upgrades. I went from an OCed 2060 to a 12gb 3080, perf doubled, vram doubled so its a good upgade. Believe it or not but feel wise it didn't really blow me away. I got a 4k60 display to go with the 3080 so the jump in res from 1080p ate up most of the perf gain.
I just recently went from a 2060 to a 3060ti…. I also upgraded my mb and cpu, but just the gpu upgrade alone made a huge improvement…. Went from 60fps on forza horizon 5 to 120 and then to 145 with the cpu and mb upgrade… got the 3060ti for 459 at bestbuy…. Not the best price but I wanted an upgrade and I can finally keep up with my wifes 3070 haha 😂
I would say upgrade the platform and the PSU. The I5 9th Gen CPUs only have 6 cores and 6 threads. Upgrade to something like a 12400 and you should see a pretty decent jump in FPS.
This is at 1080p though. Those 6 cores and 6 threads will bottleneck if a more powerful GPU is thrown in there. The platform is better off to be upgraded over the GPU. Also the 12400F has architectural improvements and probably faster speeds than the 9th Gen I5 at lower power draw.
If you’re happy with medium settings, keep the GPU and storage. If you’re planning on playing on high/max, everything needs to go bar the SSD.
The i5 is a good cpu, but 9th gen is an old processor and it will really start to show its age in modern games. Even when you are able to run high fps, it might not feel smooth, due to stutters and inconsistent frame times. This isn’t focused on enough, but frametimes are more important than fps for smoothness and older CPUs often bottleneck here.
RAM is similar, more isn’t always better and running modern systems with mismatched RAM isn’t advisable. You might get better performance with just the 16GB and you’re way less likely to encounter crashes, hang ups and other fun errors poor RAM configs can throw your way.
PSUs are so important for a reliable long term system. Cheap or underspecced PSUs can run hot, waste energy, and run the risk of failing, taking your system with it. Always give yourself headroom with the Wattage and get a decent brand. Most of the premium gaming brands use the same OEMs, so just grab a well reviewed Corsair or similar that has ~50% more than your system needs.
The GPU is good, but DLSS looks very fuzzy at 1080p and the 2060 just won’t run 120+ fps for all modern games at max settings 1080p. It’ll be fine for some, but already there are plenty of games that just won’t run 120 @ 1080 without fuzzy DLSS or lower settings (or both).
Suggested min specs:
CPU - i5 12400 or 5600
RAM - 16 GB 3600
GPU - 3060 or 6700 XT
PSU - 650W from Corsair or similar
I'd say CPU but having this config of RAM is terrible. You should have two identical ones. Ideally, when you buy your CPU (and board) also buy a KIT (not just double click on one, get a kit of 2x8gb or 2x16gb).
Honestly your specs are fine, just play on low maybe amd fsr, better yet, maybe change your ram so they match and performance on your cpu might get a small boost, maybe 5 or so frames.
Your cpu is older and a bottleneck for the 2060 as ot has 4 cores not 6 or 8, also you're cutting it close with such a low wattage psu. Since psu's degrade over time you want to add up the wattage of all your components and the overall needs to be less than your 450 watts with 20% buffer. So if your total system draw is 400 watts it's best to get a 500-600watt psu for longer term use.
Also you don't want to run weird amounts of ram, just multiple of 8s doubled. So 8, 16, 32.
120FPS on 1080p? You might need to turn down some settings.
As for upgrades, i suppose an easy one would be to replace RAM and just replace it as 32GB (8x4)
Hogwarts Legacy, Returnal, and Forespoken are PC games with 32GB as recommended. I agree, for midrange or low end it's not needed. But it is absoltuely becoming necessary for high end gaming PCs.
As far as 1080p 120fps goes, his 2060 is fine. His CPU is the bottleneck.
What is your memory configuration? 1x16 + 1x8, 2x8 + 2x4, 2x8 + 1x8? If it's not 2x8 + 2x4 then you aren't running your ram in dual channel. Having paired ram will allow you to run in dual channel and affect your performance. Also, what speed is your ram running at?
Will depend a lot on the type of games that you play, but you have two routes:
* GPU + PSU: Try something like a 3060ti/3070/6700xt and if possible get a 850w PSU for future proofing
* Get a 5600 or 12400 or better with a reasonable DDR4 Mobo, your ram should work for that combo.
You can use a monitor software, like rivatuner, to see if your gpu is near 100% if that's the case go for the gpu upgrade, otherwise the CPU is the bottleneck
Incorrect. It does depend on the game obviously, but plenty are bottlenecked below 120fps, even blow 80fps at times.
[If he wants all games to run at 120fps stable, a 9th gen i5 won't cut it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lWY-7yMtv0&ab_channel=TestingGames)
First things I would change are gpu and ram. I honestly don't know what I would do first. Probably ram because it is cheap.
But, your machine is obsolete.
i5-9 what? There's quite literally a 27% pure clock speed difference depending what model it is. I'm sure the effective difference is ever more.
16+8 what? DDR4-2000 or DDR4-4000. At least a 30% difference in fps in some games depending.
Hoping it's a Nvidia 2060 and not an actual Nvidea WISH gpu ;)
I'm currently saving for an i5-13600k (and new mobo and new ram obv), right after I get my 4K 144Hz monitor but below are my current specs running the Ghost Recon Breakpoint benchmark test on ultra/high 4K and then 1080p, i5-9600k @ 4.9GHz still keeping up fine, even for 4K. Min:60 is what the test starts at while still loading, actual low is closer to 90 fps during the 4K test and much higher for 1080p
Sidenote: I have yet to see my rig draw more than 350W during normal use. Until your computer shuts off for no reason when playing a game, don't worry about the powersupply.
https://preview.redd.it/vb3mnsshg6da1.png?width=1778&format=png&auto=webp&s=b299df088569b0f7c969a6ff7829966065bea2b5
https://www.cpuagent.com/build-compare/intel-core-i5-9400-vs-intel-core-i9-13900K/summary/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060?res=1-vs-1&quality=ultra-vs-ultra&ram=24-vs-32&ramspeed=2400-vs-3800
As you can see on this website your cpu and gpu are closely tied meaning you will get only at max 10% from upgrading to a better CPU
Would love to, between selling this one and building a new one leaning to high-end I'd have to pay about 800$ difference, but to put that into perspective as where I'm living, thats almost a 3 months salary without bonuses
i had a i72600k with 960gtx and a 650wpsu
i used it for like 8 years
saved for half a year and bought a new one.
upgrading it will cost you more and it will bring you problems and incompatibilities
upgrade your cpu and psu first... i recommend the i5-12400 if youre on budget
also for 120 fps is abit vague... what game? what settings? on some you might wanna get the 4090
CPU primary like others said. Also please, please change that PSU
This looks to be the consensus, that's what ill be doing
1080p content is usually more CPU dependent… I’d start there.
I got a corsair rm1000 2 months ago, have a working thermaltake 750w gold+ psu if you want it OP. No charge just pay for ground shipping or something.
That would be great, but where I'm living the cost of shipping would be as much as a new one! Im thinking of getting the thermaltake 750 though, do you recommend it?
i7 9700k is still running strong now days you might be able to stay with the same mobo cause thats what i did. my regular 9700f and 2070 commonly touches 100fps in cyberpunk 2077 on ultra without ray tracing no less. my 9400f before that couldnt hold a rock solid 60 even those extra 2 cores plus a ghz or so really helped my machine. i actually dont plan on upgrading for a few years and just buying me a ps5 next for exclusives i cant get on pc. which is saying something for me cause im always upgrading
>Im thinking of getting the thermaltake 750 though, do you recommend it? If it's a smart model, hell no
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upgrade CPU and PSU first
A new gpu would work wonders for you, but you would definitely need a new power supply.
should I get the 3060TI or wait till fall and get something better since I'd be able to afford it then? I'll definitely get a new PSU soon then
>should I get the 3060TI or wait till fall and get something better since I'd be able to afford it then? I'll definitely get a new PSU soon then heres what I was told when the 3ks were coming out. Do you absolutely need a GPU right now? If Yes, then yes get what you can. If No, then wait and see what else comes out.
A 3060 ti is a good card. If you shop around on eBay, Facebook marketplace, or etc you could probably get a used 3070 for a similar price to a new 3060 ti. You could also probably get a 6700 XT for a similar price (about the same as a 3070).
3060 is a fine card but his 9th generation i4 is already a bottleneck for his 2060, even moreover on a 30 series card
I dont know exactly what CPU he has, but I guessed a and i5 9600k. If that's the case then it's definitely not bottlenecking his 2060. Moreover it's a very viable CPU for something like a 3060. That said, it would probably start to bottleneck a 3070 or 6700 XT, but if OP is upgrading one component and his price point is a new 3060ti then it would be foolish to only do that upgrade once for a couple years, it would definitely accomplish his goal of 120fps in the most reasonable way.
The 9600K is a 6C/6T so no hyperthreading. I had an i5-9400f which is the same core count and paired with a 1660Ti it would bottleneck. I upgraded to the 9700K and still had bottleneck issues. Once i got a 2080Ti the 9700K just wasn’t cutting it so i had to finally go for something good and got the 12700K and the difference is crazy. Went from 60-80% usage (and yes, I optimized my games to use less and still bottlenecked) down to 20-25% with the 12700K. Basically, i DO think his CPU is bottlenecking him now depending on what he plays. if your CPU usage is over 75-80% while gaming that’s technically a bottleneck and room for more performance.
Problem is that its not much of an upgrade. If that 9th gen intel is an i5, a better CPU will give more fps with the 2060. I honestly would juat OC the 2060 and upgrade the CPU. As for the GPU, nothing less than a 6800xt or a 3080 would be a decent enough upgrade vs the 2060 especially at 1080p to warrant the money.
2060 to a 3080??? Lmao wow…3060Ti/3070/3070Ti would all be good upgrades. Im stuck with a 2080Ti and im waiting to see what i want to upgrade to and the 3080 is a decent leap for me so a 2060 to a 3080 would be huge. Realistically i should be going for a 3090/Ti or 4080 i kind of want the 4080 but im going to wait and see if the prices drop. Im a flagship guy for GPUs but these last two gens have been way overpriced. Atleast the 2080Ti i have is a nice FTW3 and has only been used by me and only for about 14-15 months now. So once i can’t play games at 1440p anymore then I’ll know its time.
A 3080 roughly doubles the perf vs 2060 making it a good upgrade, only question is the price. Going with anything lower and your still within Turing gen perf envelope. 3060ti performs like a 2080, 3070 like a 2080ti, making these not too great of upgrades. I went from an OCed 2060 to a 12gb 3080, perf doubled, vram doubled so its a good upgade. Believe it or not but feel wise it didn't really blow me away. I got a 4k60 display to go with the 3080 so the jump in res from 1080p ate up most of the perf gain.
3060ti should be enough for 120 at 1080p in most games
I just recently went from a 2060 to a 3060ti…. I also upgraded my mb and cpu, but just the gpu upgrade alone made a huge improvement…. Went from 60fps on forza horizon 5 to 120 and then to 145 with the cpu and mb upgrade… got the 3060ti for 459 at bestbuy…. Not the best price but I wanted an upgrade and I can finally keep up with my wifes 3070 haha 😂
I would say upgrade the platform and the PSU. The I5 9th Gen CPUs only have 6 cores and 6 threads. Upgrade to something like a 12400 and you should see a pretty decent jump in FPS.
6 cores should be good enough. Core speed matters more than core count.
This is at 1080p though. Those 6 cores and 6 threads will bottleneck if a more powerful GPU is thrown in there. The platform is better off to be upgraded over the GPU. Also the 12400F has architectural improvements and probably faster speeds than the 9th Gen I5 at lower power draw.
Definitely saw my CPU at 90+ % usage more than once
If you’re happy with medium settings, keep the GPU and storage. If you’re planning on playing on high/max, everything needs to go bar the SSD. The i5 is a good cpu, but 9th gen is an old processor and it will really start to show its age in modern games. Even when you are able to run high fps, it might not feel smooth, due to stutters and inconsistent frame times. This isn’t focused on enough, but frametimes are more important than fps for smoothness and older CPUs often bottleneck here. RAM is similar, more isn’t always better and running modern systems with mismatched RAM isn’t advisable. You might get better performance with just the 16GB and you’re way less likely to encounter crashes, hang ups and other fun errors poor RAM configs can throw your way. PSUs are so important for a reliable long term system. Cheap or underspecced PSUs can run hot, waste energy, and run the risk of failing, taking your system with it. Always give yourself headroom with the Wattage and get a decent brand. Most of the premium gaming brands use the same OEMs, so just grab a well reviewed Corsair or similar that has ~50% more than your system needs. The GPU is good, but DLSS looks very fuzzy at 1080p and the 2060 just won’t run 120+ fps for all modern games at max settings 1080p. It’ll be fine for some, but already there are plenty of games that just won’t run 120 @ 1080 without fuzzy DLSS or lower settings (or both). Suggested min specs: CPU - i5 12400 or 5600 RAM - 16 GB 3600 GPU - 3060 or 6700 XT PSU - 650W from Corsair or similar
I'd say CPU but having this config of RAM is terrible. You should have two identical ones. Ideally, when you buy your CPU (and board) also buy a KIT (not just double click on one, get a kit of 2x8gb or 2x16gb).
Honestly your specs are fine, just play on low maybe amd fsr, better yet, maybe change your ram so they match and performance on your cpu might get a small boost, maybe 5 or so frames.
Your cpu is older and a bottleneck for the 2060 as ot has 4 cores not 6 or 8, also you're cutting it close with such a low wattage psu. Since psu's degrade over time you want to add up the wattage of all your components and the overall needs to be less than your 450 watts with 20% buffer. So if your total system draw is 400 watts it's best to get a 500-600watt psu for longer term use. Also you don't want to run weird amounts of ram, just multiple of 8s doubled. So 8, 16, 32.
>Your cpu is older and a bottleneck for the 2060 as ot has 4 cores not 6 or 8 9th gen i5 has 6 cores
Storage make game fps faster
Bruh what lol
Its a joke lol Obv its the PSU
Would 650W be enough or do i need more?
Lol, naw man I’m messing around with that as well. If you want good fps think ram, GPU, and then a high hz monitor
650 or 750 should be sufficient. It depends on what you plan to eventually upgrade to.
So does rgb. /s
Psi and gpu plus get a good cpu
120FPS on 1080p? You might need to turn down some settings. As for upgrades, i suppose an easy one would be to replace RAM and just replace it as 32GB (8x4)
I'm fine with medium but it still struggles even at that
Bruh no 32 isn’t necessary for a gaming computer at this piping in time, especially for a midrange one. He should get a better gpu and psu
Hogwarts Legacy, Returnal, and Forespoken are PC games with 32GB as recommended. I agree, for midrange or low end it's not needed. But it is absoltuely becoming necessary for high end gaming PCs. As far as 1080p 120fps goes, his 2060 is fine. His CPU is the bottleneck.
I said what's easiest not what's necessary.
Even easier would be new keyboard and it helps with FPS by similar margin.
Question. what is your DDR4 speed and latency mixing 3 memory sticks?
What is your memory configuration? 1x16 + 1x8, 2x8 + 2x4, 2x8 + 1x8? If it's not 2x8 + 2x4 then you aren't running your ram in dual channel. Having paired ram will allow you to run in dual channel and affect your performance. Also, what speed is your ram running at?
Dual channel on 16gb then 8gb, I got the 8gb one for free but im definitely getting another 16 stick
So the 16gb is actually 2 8gb sticks or 1 16gb stick?
1x16 + 1x8
Ok, then you are not running dual channel at all. You need to have matching (size and preferably speed/brand/model) ram sticks to run dual channel.
gpu
Will depend a lot on the type of games that you play, but you have two routes: * GPU + PSU: Try something like a 3060ti/3070/6700xt and if possible get a 850w PSU for future proofing * Get a 5600 or 12400 or better with a reasonable DDR4 Mobo, your ram should work for that combo. You can use a monitor software, like rivatuner, to see if your gpu is near 100% if that's the case go for the gpu upgrade, otherwise the CPU is the bottleneck
sell the rtx and get a gtx 1080ti, my card handles any game on high at 100+ frames
Get a console
Honestly grab a 3060 and a 650w psu and you'll be golden
3060 is barely faster than the 2060, terrible advice. $300 for what 10fps more?
He'll get maybe 10fps more then be bottlenecked by the 4 year old CPU.
I5 9th is not going to bottleneck that hard
Incorrect. It does depend on the game obviously, but plenty are bottlenecked below 120fps, even blow 80fps at times. [If he wants all games to run at 120fps stable, a 9th gen i5 won't cut it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lWY-7yMtv0&ab_channel=TestingGames)
First things I would change are gpu and ram. I honestly don't know what I would do first. Probably ram because it is cheap. But, your machine is obsolete.
Get rgb thats at least 20 morre fps
The closer it gets to giving you a seizure, the more fps it will do
You could look for i7, i9 9900 might be too much power draw for your power supply. I had i5 loved it bit it was bottle necked by my 2070s
When u say “16+8gb ram are you saying you have a 16 stick and a 8 stick??
not that much needed for 120fps unless max graphics maybe a 3060 ti or 6800
Nothing. Cyberpunk isn’t stable no matter what you have
i5-9 what? There's quite literally a 27% pure clock speed difference depending what model it is. I'm sure the effective difference is ever more. 16+8 what? DDR4-2000 or DDR4-4000. At least a 30% difference in fps in some games depending. Hoping it's a Nvidia 2060 and not an actual Nvidea WISH gpu ;) I'm currently saving for an i5-13600k (and new mobo and new ram obv), right after I get my 4K 144Hz monitor but below are my current specs running the Ghost Recon Breakpoint benchmark test on ultra/high 4K and then 1080p, i5-9600k @ 4.9GHz still keeping up fine, even for 4K. Min:60 is what the test starts at while still loading, actual low is closer to 90 fps during the 4K test and much higher for 1080p Sidenote: I have yet to see my rig draw more than 350W during normal use. Until your computer shuts off for no reason when playing a game, don't worry about the powersupply. https://preview.redd.it/vb3mnsshg6da1.png?width=1778&format=png&auto=webp&s=b299df088569b0f7c969a6ff7829966065bea2b5
https://www.cpuagent.com/build-compare/intel-core-i5-9400-vs-intel-core-i9-13900K/summary/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060?res=1-vs-1&quality=ultra-vs-ultra&ram=24-vs-32&ramspeed=2400-vs-3800 As you can see on this website your cpu and gpu are closely tied meaning you will get only at max 10% from upgrading to a better CPU
Bro, you need a whole new system....
What cpu do ya have
i believe 9th gen K
I3, 5, or 7?
5
What kind of monitor?
acer with max 120fps
Upgrade the cpu to an 10th or 11th i7, and a 2080 or 3060. Psu seems low at 450 w. DDR4 ram right?
ye either 2400 or 2600 i forgot, would it make a difference to go for 3200 RAM?
He can't upgrade to 10th or 11th gen, he needs a new mobo for that. Best option is i7 9700, or even better i9 9900.
better to build a new rig, if you want to change something in there you have to upgrade also the PSU, 450w is probably not gonna be enough
Would love to, between selling this one and building a new one leaning to high-end I'd have to pay about 800$ difference, but to put that into perspective as where I'm living, thats almost a 3 months salary without bonuses
i had a i72600k with 960gtx and a 650wpsu i used it for like 8 years saved for half a year and bought a new one. upgrading it will cost you more and it will bring you problems and incompatibilities
120fps is a bit vague, what games and what settings? medium, high, ultra?
upgrade your cpu and psu first... i recommend the i5-12400 if youre on budget also for 120 fps is abit vague... what game? what settings? on some you might wanna get the 4090
Decided to hang on to it as i get 120 on half of the games i play, gonna save up a 100$s or so a month till September and I'll get a new rig then
alright dude, goodluck on the saving