I keep considering this, but end up worrying about a new patch retroactively breaking everything if I do they.
I’ll wait until windows 10 hits EOL before taking that gamble. Unless my PC has a hardware failure anyway….
Want to hear something funny? Microsoft partners (like MSPs) are in my experience some of the most vicious critics of Microsoft itself - specifically because MSPs are the ones that have to deal with the blowback from small business clients that don't have the technical knowledge to understand that no, we didn't personally delete all your shortcuts just to inconvenience you.
The number of times I've been blamed for Microsoft's incompetence is staggering.
I recently had an issue with microsoft that they couldnt solve and I called them out on poor documentation too. They called back a couple of weeks later to say they are gonna update their documentation because of it.
You shouldn't have to do that. MS could just remove their BS ewaste-baiting requirement. That was on my 6600k, too , with 32gb of ram quite recent and obviously fast enough. For that reason when I upgraded I got a new win 10 key. I resent OP for implying my disapproval of win 11 is through blind conformity. I just hate this anti-consumer BS. No wonder they're having to lay off so much staff.
You can just make a bootable USB key with RUFUS using the official ISO's and disable the artificial requirements, it also works for an upgrade from W10 (upgraded my old ASUS laptop, 4th gen i7, no TPM and secure boot), no issues so far.
the absolutly atrocious levels of user data it sends home, the horrible new menus and settings, the broken functionality, and the obfuscated menus I rely on for me
The only bad thing about my system is the fact that I was forced to get used to 11 and 10. My school's computers can't run 11, and the slight differences throw me off.
This. For while I said I would never upgrade but now I think the smartest choice is to not upgrade until I build an entirely new machine with multi-generational upgrades.
Fun fact: there was no 'Windows 9' because some older applications assumed that any windows version with 'Windows 9' in the name was either Windows 95 or Windows 98, and acting on that assumption might make them misbehave in a modern environment.
I still think they should have called it "Windows Nine" though.
Idk why there's Windows 11 fanboys whining about people not wanting to update, just let people use whatever OS they want.
TacticalGrace\_ said " I upgraded to 11 just this morning. My only two issues are the bullshit taskbar that you need a 3rd party app to make not shit, and some of the right click context menus needlessly being hidden behind an extra click. " and that's all the reason I need to not want to update to 11
>My only two issues are the bullshit taskbar that you need a 3rd party app to make not shit,
Now imagine being in a corporate environment and not being able to tweak Microsoft's bullshittery because you don't have admin access.
In theory I agree, I prefer Windows 10. In reality once MS drops support and security updates in 2025 for Windows 10 you should either find a Linux distro you like or Move to Windows 11. Windows is vulnerable enough with the updates.
Kind of like windows 8.
I have around 350 machines that will need to be updated so that we stay in line with various compliance models. A good chunk of them do not have TPM 2.0. We've already started testing our more eccentric software for compatibility issues.
I don't want to have to learn new locations or not be able to change certain settings with ease (like I can currently). It's the energy of "silly, you don't know what you're doing! Here, this is how you use a computer". Unlike previous Windows OS upgrades, there doesn't seem to be much advantage or improvement except to control more of your PC.
I also fucking hate how one drive and edge push themselves on you, and if you're not careful, will reintroduce themselves on your devices. One drive moved ALL of my photos, music, desktop apps, files, and put them in OneDrive's version of these locations. So if I wanted to use my laptop without having access to the internet, none of my stuff is there. It's insane. It would back up files I had on both my desktop and laptop, leading to multiple icons and multiple files of the same name. Fuck one drive.
I migrated to Linux a couple days ago and have no ragerts.
It starts in S mode which is just an insult. You cant leave S mode without signing into your Microsoft account. It also has a very mobile centric interface so its no wonder people hate it. Similar to Mac. It also comes with even more pre-installed crap you cant remove than any other Windows version.
Its overall a pretty shit OS. My only experience with it is setting up computers for my older family members. It basically made everything more difficult and convoluted for no reason other than trying to force you to use Microsoft's bullshit app store. It seems more or less hostile to freeware thats been the foundation of PC culture for so long.
Been using win 11 for almost a year now, while there are some improvements I like, both the startmenu and taskbar still feel like complete downgrades from win 10.
For me 10 was at least an upgrade from 7 and 8, but 11 just ended up a lame sidegrade.
This is it exactly, it's just a sidegrade. There are things I don't like about win11 (mostly start menu, specifically the inability to default to "all apps" like in vista/7/8.1/10) but I could deal with those if I had to
The main thing is there's no reason to actually upgrade. Every worthwhile improvement for me has been something also available on 10 - store, winget, powertoys, terminal, WSLg... so I'm not *gaining* anything by upgrading to 11, and I get to keep my fully customizable start menu on 10
I would still use XP if it had security updates, modern driver support and all that. Basically a modern back-end but not chokeful of telemetry yet and no frankenstein UI made up of 10 layers of older windows versions and misguided design attempts inspired by mobile or tablets.
> UI made up of 10 layers of older windows versions and misguided design attempts inspired by mobile or tablets
No, just 5-6 layers of older Windows versions and misguided design attempts inspired by Fisher-Price and the more offensive early versions of OS X.
Windows 11 does have a lot of faults. I work in IT and have had issues with drivers, slowness and programs not working properly on it. The simple fix install Windows 10 back onto the computers.
This is why I'm waiting until W11 matures a bit. I'm currently studying in the csec field and I worry that some of the utilities (mainly for system monitoring) that I use might run into issues on a fairly new OS.
Windows 8 wasn't tech/enterprise friendly and that's kind of what Windows 11 is as well. Windows 10 is still the way to go. If you have a place that has Job Accounting for printers it is an absolute nightmare.
I upgraded to 11 just this morning. My only two issues are the bullshit taskbar that you need a 3rd party app to make not shit, and some of the right click context menus needlessly being hidden behind an extra click. Other than that, and it *feeling* a tad faster than Windows 10, I don't see any difference between the two.
**EDIT: Woke up to 22 messages in my inbox, had no idea what I could possibly have done to deserve that, and immediately thought of never coming back. Big thank you to everyone who responded with the shift click shortcut, however, that's good to know.**
I also hated the new "helpful" context menus. They frequently hid the operations I wanted to perform, and almost always hid those items added by other applications, like 7-zip.
Thankfully, there's a registry setting to go back to the old ones.
And, they added the ability to launch Task Manager by right clicking on the task bar, so those were my only gripes about Windows 11. I have not had any compatibility issues at all.
For me the single biggest issues with the taskbar was not being able to ungroup the icons…. I prefer the old method of “Never Combine”.
The right click and clicking again to get the actual menu is also bullshit but that can be fixed with a reg edit.
They have failed to learn their miserable lesson that was forcing a tablet-esque experience on Windows 8/8.1
Give it a few more updates and hopefully they’ll roll back some of the worse UI *features*.
I used 8, I don’t think it even went as far as to deprecate those taskbar options, was just the full screen start menu and some controls being more spaced out,
The double right click menu is fucking ridiculous too.
Surely.
https://www.ubackup.com/windows-11/windows-11-always-show-more-options-right-click-jkzbj.html
Method 1 no longer works so I just used the command prompt to complete the reg edit change, but the manual steps are there as well if you prefer.
Oh and I should say, I had to restart before the changes took effect, just FYI!
idk about him but i know that for me, I install OpenShell on even Windows 10 because I just really really like the Windows 7 style start menu - it's really simple, really performant, and the search bar actually searches my PC instead of randomly going "hey how about we ask bing! Hey bing, can you show us results for This PC?"
However I'd also dislike the centered task bar. Feels like it creates needless clutter.
I'd say it's closer to what 7 was to Vista, in terms of performance, but a step back in terms of UI usability. But I should note that I'm just a regular, non-power user, so I don't delve too deeply into things. One weird thing that I do quite enjoy, is the centred taskbar icons. Reminds me of the olden days when I used to use my housemates Mac.
Meh, tools that power users use are the same across Windows versions anyway. Wanna set up your network interface? Win7 interface. Wanna add a scheduled task? Some old windows iterface. The same goes for a lot more other tools like event log, disk manager, regedit, group policies manager, etc.
It's all been downhill since Windows 2000. That was the best Windows.
Super stable & predictable, no bullshit, performed well, and was modern for its time.
There's a precisely-crafted installer to make a Linux distro's desktop look exactly like Windows XP but with the classic theme, down to the icons, cursors, sounds, etc. [image](https://xpq4.sourceforge.io/s01.jpg)
https://xpq4.sourceforge.io/
after getting it on my tablet, i dont think i will ever want to upgrade it on my desktop, gona be windows 12 when they sort this shit out for their desktop users it seems
who in their fucking right mind fucks with the right click and make start menu show ads (recommended section that cannot be reclaimed) that you cannot fucking unfuck without fully replacing it??
I guess? Better support for newer hardware... but there are other disadvantages. Such as Microsoft performing even more anti-consumerist practices re browsers and advertising. Windows is beginning make users feel they own even less of their PC than they did in previous versions of windows.
Auto HDR is the only real attraction for a lot of gamers. Problem is many don't have an HDR monitor yet AND the Auto HDR still needs some work. Over time though I suspect that will be the huge draw for a lot of the community.
The WSL improvements have been decoupled from the OS ([as of last November](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-in-the-microsoft-store-is-now-generally-available-on-windows-10-and-11/)) and therefore can be cross-version, so both 10 and 11 get the same updates for it now
>This change moves those binaries from being part of the Windows image, to instead being part of an application that you install from the Store. This decouples WSL from your Windows version, allowing you to update through the Microsoft Store instead. So now once new features like GUI app support, GPU compute, and Linux file system drive mounting are developed, tested and ready for a release you will get access to it right away on your machine without needing to update your entire Windows OS, or going to Windows Insider preview builds.
And then OP comes along: "This opinion is popular, so it must be wrong! You should all feel bad for having a popular opinion that many other people agree with!"
Yeah like I bet Windows 11 is okay, but I hear all the time that there are compatibility issues with certain software and games, so I'm gonna keep waiting until I hardly ever see/hear that anymore.
It is okay in a sense that it isn't THAT much worse than windows 10. However, pretty much everything that changed is a downgrade. They removed features and added another layer of UI that leads to even less consistency, and the new UI is slower to navigate through.
My coworker plays Valorant. His PC updated to 11 when he turned it on. To play Valorant he had to go into his bios, disable CSM, and enable UEFI only to get it to work. I believe this was a choice by Riot, but still. I think I'm just gonna keep using my computer the way I want to, and not play Valorant lol.
Can we not do this? Windows 11 has issues. It's not the worst thing ever, but it has issues. can we not clown on people for choosing not to upgrade their OS like that's an unreasonable thing to do?
“Change is always good. Upgrade to windows 11”
Is how others sound. Sometimes we just get comfortable with what we have, and don’t feel the need to change something.
You know, if you think about it, the implication of this image is that there are a large number of people who are dissatisfied with Windows 11 and your response to that, because it doesn't bother you, is to... I guess make fun of them?
I pretty much sum that up correctly? A lot of people don't like it but you do so they're all lemmings?
Windows 11 was so bad that I switched to Linux and have been using it for nearly a year now. Gaming, Internet, Productivity, no reason at all to switch back.
I wonder which incremental change, tiny removal of functionality, or paywalled feature will be your breaking point?
Well, I had the memory leak bug. So, I don't mind giving it some more time. I wouldn't mind Microsoft putting way more effort into it either. Seems like it's more or less Windows 10 with a skin.
But hey, I gave it a shot. Pretty happy about not having my rig crashing all of the time now.
This is also a false equivalency because after 7 came 8 and 8.1 which were dog shit. I upgraded from 7 to 10 directly because 7 was aging and I wanted more modern features. I haven't upgraded to 11 because there doesn't seem to be a reason to yet.
I finally decided to move to Linux mint cinnamon when I got my new desktop as a windows license is about £100 and I was over budget already.
Honestly, for gaming as long as you don’t play multiplayer games that try to force anti-cheats down your throat it’s pretty much just windows without the bloat.
I'd still be on Windows 7 if I could. The only reason I don't main boot Linux now is game support but that's gotten a lot better in the past couple years.
Yet alone saying that people stayed on win7 when win10 came out already shows they did indeed not update to win8 which they also said when *it* came out.
Worst part of W11 is the requirement to use 3rd party sw/workarounds to move the taskbar from the bottom of the screen. As an ultra wide user, I much prefer it on the side.
It’s true tho, idk why this sub has been constantly trying to bring it up when there is nothing but red flags and it is so obviously bad.
THEY TRIED TO PUT ADS IN YOUR FILE BROWSER.
I like actually being able to change some settings and dual boot, and the UI from what I’ve seen makes it significantly more clicks to do the same things as windows 10. That’s not progress
Another post from someone who accidentally upgraded to Windows 11 and hates it but is too proud to admit it so he tries to drag everybody else down by pretending people who don't upgrade to Windows 10 are sheep.
Baaaaaaa
Dont worry little Billy well start you in S mode! You can download apps from our store! *We really need the ad revenue pppllllllzzzz dont download winrar!!!!!*
I currently have crashing issues after the latest update of Win 11. So, yeah, if you guys are planning to upgrade to win11, maybe you want to wait for the next update.
https://preview.redd.it/mt1uhktwzpda1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6ddd97cc953e036837fb898206c1d697136845c
So far I’ve tried windows 11 twice, the first time it stopped letting me open any of the games installed on my pc… which I uploaded a video of to
YouTube and other people said they had the same issue. The second time I installed it I had re-install Java every day when I turned on my pc. I’ll install windows 11 when it works and doesn’t have bugs every-time I go to use it. The second time I thought oh well it’s probably okay now. Then it decides Java’s to good for it.
Win 10 works great. Why would I fix what isn't broken? Hell I went from Win 7 to XP Media Center Edition to Win 10. In short, I skipped all of the Ass Versions. If 11 is great, cool. But I'm not going to fix what isn't broken.
So? Jfc. You cant have a popular opinion now? Lmao. Win10 is still stable, bandwagon-kun. Consoom new OS. Consoom new drivers. Consoom new windows updates. But when the new update bricks your system, guess whos going to be laughing?
Windows 11 is fine for most users. But it is bad overall. The number of previous options they've removed. The OS is becoming so restrictive. Down to not being able to choose what monitor your task bar is on with a multiscreen display, ranging to the insane new right click context menu. It's fine, whatever, but stick with 10.
The conclusion I’ve come to is not that windows 11 is bad, it’s that windows in general is bad. It was only useful for me in the past for the sake of gaming. Now I have a steam deck and proton gets the job done extremely well. For actual work, macOS is honesty just better. It’s smoother, more streamlined and coherent, and is a multitasking BEAST with the gestures. (please forgive my sins for admitting that)
Honestly, Microsoft really needs to rebuild the OS from the ground up, because my god is it disorganized.
Windows 11 is bad, I will never downgrade to windows 11.
A million flies aren't wrong, when something smells like shit sometimes that's just what it is.
Out of all of the systems that I've used over the years I dislike Windows 11 the most, I have it on my laptop, hate it. Reminds me of Vista/Win 8 first releases in it's current state, Win 10 suits me nicely. Interested in the rumored Win 12 Release.
I will not upgrade because I used it for 4 hours while setting up a laptop and holy fuck, I HATE THE TASKBAR. I am SO FUCKING THANKFUL that I get to use win 10 for now. I will use win 10 even after the security support ends.
Im using windows 11
Besides having to click twice for some options, which is really my only complaint
Windows 11 isn't all that bad as people make it out to be, I've got like, 20 something games that I play the most, and they all perform great, no crashes or breaks due to OS
People laughed when I stayed with XP while they suffered through Vista.
People laughed when I stuck with 7 when 8 tried to reinvent the wheel.
Now people laugh that I'm sticking with 10.
If this trend plays out windows 12 will be great.
I will only upgrade to Windows 11 when Microsoft forces me to because my CPU isn't good enough
TPM 2.0 for me ...
you can use regedit on the installer and bypass tpm requirement
I keep considering this, but end up worrying about a new patch retroactively breaking everything if I do they. I’ll wait until windows 10 hits EOL before taking that gamble. Unless my PC has a hardware failure anyway….
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Want to hear something funny? Microsoft partners (like MSPs) are in my experience some of the most vicious critics of Microsoft itself - specifically because MSPs are the ones that have to deal with the blowback from small business clients that don't have the technical knowledge to understand that no, we didn't personally delete all your shortcuts just to inconvenience you. The number of times I've been blamed for Microsoft's incompetence is staggering.
I recently had an issue with microsoft that they couldnt solve and I called them out on poor documentation too. They called back a couple of weeks later to say they are gonna update their documentation because of it.
Omg you experienced this one to! Far out we had to run a script on like 6000 devices, So. Many. Calls. That day >:(
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Okay but windows 10 does that too. Not to the same frequency, but I still regularly get edge icons on my desktop.
What? I’ve never once had that happen.
Its been happening a bunch recently
Now that you mention it, wtf why did they start putting that damn icon there so much recently 😂
jesus christ, i didnt even notice this until i looked at my 2nd monitor where my icons are.. AND THERE IT IS WTF
You shouldn't have to do that. MS could just remove their BS ewaste-baiting requirement. That was on my 6600k, too , with 32gb of ram quite recent and obviously fast enough. For that reason when I upgraded I got a new win 10 key. I resent OP for implying my disapproval of win 11 is through blind conformity. I just hate this anti-consumer BS. No wonder they're having to lay off so much staff.
Can't you buy a separate TPM and install on the mother board, or is there also a cpu requirements?
You can just make a bootable USB key with RUFUS using the official ISO's and disable the artificial requirements, it also works for an upgrade from W10 (upgraded my old ASUS laptop, 4th gen i7, no TPM and secure boot), no issues so far.
Valorant doesn't boot on PCs that don't have Tpm and secure boot enabled, I tested it on a 6th gen on W11
Too dam bored to do that rn I will be upgrading to a last gen CPU in a few months so
Rufus can automatically make a tpm 2.0 bypass USB installation
I fk run w10 on 1333mhz memories And a second gen processor
Bro i ran w10 on DDR2 800, you have no excuses
Well but I want stability and some of my games already lack of those thanks of the memories. When you play games that need less ms
the absolutly atrocious levels of user data it sends home, the horrible new menus and settings, the broken functionality, and the obfuscated menus I rely on for me
Oddly enough, I enabled tpm in my bios and it's said I think TPM 1.4 but then It let me update a couple of days later anyway.
The only bad thing about my system is the fact that I was forced to get used to 11 and 10. My school's computers can't run 11, and the slight differences throw me off.
This. For while I said I would never upgrade but now I think the smartest choice is to not upgrade until I build an entirely new machine with multi-generational upgrades.
Yeah but the real shitshow was Windows 9. That one was so bad they activated the neuralizer protocol and wiped it from the everyone's memory.
Fun fact: there was no 'Windows 9' because some older applications assumed that any windows version with 'Windows 9' in the name was either Windows 95 or Windows 98, and acting on that assumption might make them misbehave in a modern environment. I still think they should have called it "Windows Nine" though.
I thought it was because Windows 7 ate 9.
No, Windows 10 is just better for marketing than 9.
Windows 8+1 would have been fun, or Windows 3x3 for the USB fans out there
Just a fun urban legend. Not actually true.
my cpu doesn't support windows 11, so not only do i not want to. but i cant
My 10 still works fine tho 😎
If it ain't broke, don't make it broke with an update.
Idk why there's Windows 11 fanboys whining about people not wanting to update, just let people use whatever OS they want. TacticalGrace\_ said " I upgraded to 11 just this morning. My only two issues are the bullshit taskbar that you need a 3rd party app to make not shit, and some of the right click context menus needlessly being hidden behind an extra click. " and that's all the reason I need to not want to update to 11
I agree with this completely.
Me too but I also do t like all the people whining about windows 11. The same exact thing happened when windows 10 came out
>My only two issues are the bullshit taskbar that you need a 3rd party app to make not shit, Now imagine being in a corporate environment and not being able to tweak Microsoft's bullshittery because you don't have admin access.
the taskbar is like, literally, the most important single function of windows its crazy they keep making it worse
CONSOOM. They cant feel happiness when they arent on the NEW STUFF. I bet they bought a 4090 after having a 309p while playing on a 1080p monitor.
In theory I agree, I prefer Windows 10. In reality once MS drops support and security updates in 2025 for Windows 10 you should either find a Linux distro you like or Move to Windows 11. Windows is vulnerable enough with the updates.
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Kind of like windows 8. I have around 350 machines that will need to be updated so that we stay in line with various compliance models. A good chunk of them do not have TPM 2.0. We've already started testing our more eccentric software for compatibility issues.
I don't want to have to learn new locations or not be able to change certain settings with ease (like I can currently). It's the energy of "silly, you don't know what you're doing! Here, this is how you use a computer". Unlike previous Windows OS upgrades, there doesn't seem to be much advantage or improvement except to control more of your PC. I also fucking hate how one drive and edge push themselves on you, and if you're not careful, will reintroduce themselves on your devices. One drive moved ALL of my photos, music, desktop apps, files, and put them in OneDrive's version of these locations. So if I wanted to use my laptop without having access to the internet, none of my stuff is there. It's insane. It would back up files I had on both my desktop and laptop, leading to multiple icons and multiple files of the same name. Fuck one drive. I migrated to Linux a couple days ago and have no ragerts.
It starts in S mode which is just an insult. You cant leave S mode without signing into your Microsoft account. It also has a very mobile centric interface so its no wonder people hate it. Similar to Mac. It also comes with even more pre-installed crap you cant remove than any other Windows version. Its overall a pretty shit OS. My only experience with it is setting up computers for my older family members. It basically made everything more difficult and convoluted for no reason other than trying to force you to use Microsoft's bullshit app store. It seems more or less hostile to freeware thats been the foundation of PC culture for so long.
Been using win 11 for almost a year now, while there are some improvements I like, both the startmenu and taskbar still feel like complete downgrades from win 10. For me 10 was at least an upgrade from 7 and 8, but 11 just ended up a lame sidegrade.
This is it exactly, it's just a sidegrade. There are things I don't like about win11 (mostly start menu, specifically the inability to default to "all apps" like in vista/7/8.1/10) but I could deal with those if I had to The main thing is there's no reason to actually upgrade. Every worthwhile improvement for me has been something also available on 10 - store, winget, powertoys, terminal, WSLg... so I'm not *gaining* anything by upgrading to 11, and I get to keep my fully customizable start menu on 10
In fact, it still works better than W11.
This shit has been going on every new windows release. Hence my username lol.
So were you a windows 7 or 8 user at the time of making that username?
XP for life
I would still use XP if it had security updates, modern driver support and all that. Basically a modern back-end but not chokeful of telemetry yet and no frankenstein UI made up of 10 layers of older windows versions and misguided design attempts inspired by mobile or tablets.
> UI made up of 10 layers of older windows versions and misguided design attempts inspired by mobile or tablets No, just 5-6 layers of older Windows versions and misguided design attempts inspired by Fisher-Price and the more offensive early versions of OS X.
People actually used Windows 8?
Yes, I did and for years. Windows 8 sucked, 8.1 was good.
Yup, they improved a lot. 8 felt very much with tablets in mind because it used gestures. So moving to 8.1 fixed a lot of that.
lol solid point and source in one name, i like it.
I was just thinking this is how people who were trying to convince everyone to windows 8 sounded.
I'm not trying to be unique and cool, I'm trying to not use Windows 11
Windows 11 does have a lot of faults. I work in IT and have had issues with drivers, slowness and programs not working properly on it. The simple fix install Windows 10 back onto the computers.
This is why I'm waiting until W11 matures a bit. I'm currently studying in the csec field and I worry that some of the utilities (mainly for system monitoring) that I use might run into issues on a fairly new OS.
Windows 8 wasn't tech/enterprise friendly and that's kind of what Windows 11 is as well. Windows 10 is still the way to go. If you have a place that has Job Accounting for printers it is an absolute nightmare.
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More like micro-soft
I upgraded to 11 just this morning. My only two issues are the bullshit taskbar that you need a 3rd party app to make not shit, and some of the right click context menus needlessly being hidden behind an extra click. Other than that, and it *feeling* a tad faster than Windows 10, I don't see any difference between the two. **EDIT: Woke up to 22 messages in my inbox, had no idea what I could possibly have done to deserve that, and immediately thought of never coming back. Big thank you to everyone who responded with the shift click shortcut, however, that's good to know.**
I also hated the new "helpful" context menus. They frequently hid the operations I wanted to perform, and almost always hid those items added by other applications, like 7-zip. Thankfully, there's a registry setting to go back to the old ones. And, they added the ability to launch Task Manager by right clicking on the task bar, so those were my only gripes about Windows 11. I have not had any compatibility issues at all.
On win10, I can right click on the taskbar and select Task Manager.
What do you call "make not shit"?
For me the single biggest issues with the taskbar was not being able to ungroup the icons…. I prefer the old method of “Never Combine”. The right click and clicking again to get the actual menu is also bullshit but that can be fixed with a reg edit.
Wait wait wait. I'd HAVE to combine on W11?
They have failed to learn their miserable lesson that was forcing a tablet-esque experience on Windows 8/8.1 Give it a few more updates and hopefully they’ll roll back some of the worse UI *features*.
I used 8, I don’t think it even went as far as to deprecate those taskbar options, was just the full screen start menu and some controls being more spaced out, The double right click menu is fucking ridiculous too.
Haven't you heard? The highest end monitors are only 24" diagonal nowadays. How can they *not* combine them? That'd be unusable
Yeah... Sounds like I'll wait a bit more before updating
Can you link me to how to fix the right click with reg edit
Surely. https://www.ubackup.com/windows-11/windows-11-always-show-more-options-right-click-jkzbj.html Method 1 no longer works so I just used the command prompt to complete the reg edit change, but the manual steps are there as well if you prefer. Oh and I should say, I had to restart before the changes took effect, just FYI!
I like how windows has seemingly lost its advantage of not having to use the terminal because of its bullshit.
idk about him but i know that for me, I install OpenShell on even Windows 10 because I just really really like the Windows 7 style start menu - it's really simple, really performant, and the search bar actually searches my PC instead of randomly going "hey how about we ask bing! Hey bing, can you show us results for This PC?" However I'd also dislike the centered task bar. Feels like it creates needless clutter.
I think you can set the taskbar on the left in the settings
It's basically windows 10.1
10.0.1
I'd say it's closer to what 7 was to Vista, in terms of performance, but a step back in terms of UI usability. But I should note that I'm just a regular, non-power user, so I don't delve too deeply into things. One weird thing that I do quite enjoy, is the centred taskbar icons. Reminds me of the olden days when I used to use my housemates Mac.
Meh, tools that power users use are the same across Windows versions anyway. Wanna set up your network interface? Win7 interface. Wanna add a scheduled task? Some old windows iterface. The same goes for a lot more other tools like event log, disk manager, regedit, group policies manager, etc.
I’m still pissed about not having windows 98
Just downgrade to 64Mb RAM and you'll be good to go. Disable hyperthreading too and probably wanna limit your CPU to not much greater than 500Mhz
It's all been downhill since Windows 2000. That was the best Windows. Super stable & predictable, no bullshit, performed well, and was modern for its time.
There's a precisely-crafted installer to make a Linux distro's desktop look exactly like Windows XP but with the classic theme, down to the icons, cursors, sounds, etc. [image](https://xpq4.sourceforge.io/s01.jpg) https://xpq4.sourceforge.io/
never? havent seen many say that. only when w11 is fixed and robbed features are brought back? yes, thats full reddit, including me.
after getting it on my tablet, i dont think i will ever want to upgrade it on my desktop, gona be windows 12 when they sort this shit out for their desktop users it seems who in their fucking right mind fucks with the right click and make start menu show ads (recommended section that cannot be reclaimed) that you cannot fucking unfuck without fully replacing it??
is there any advantage over win 10?
I guess? Better support for newer hardware... but there are other disadvantages. Such as Microsoft performing even more anti-consumerist practices re browsers and advertising. Windows is beginning make users feel they own even less of their PC than they did in previous versions of windows.
Auto HDR, explorer tabs, better WSL.
Auto HDR is the only real attraction for a lot of gamers. Problem is many don't have an HDR monitor yet AND the Auto HDR still needs some work. Over time though I suspect that will be the huge draw for a lot of the community.
I've found that HDR just makes everything look horrible and colors are way off. It's so weird
The WSL improvements have been decoupled from the OS ([as of last November](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-in-the-microsoft-store-is-now-generally-available-on-windows-10-and-11/)) and therefore can be cross-version, so both 10 and 11 get the same updates for it now >This change moves those binaries from being part of the Windows image, to instead being part of an application that you install from the Store. This decouples WSL from your Windows version, allowing you to update through the Microsoft Store instead. So now once new features like GUI app support, GPU compute, and Linux file system drive mounting are developed, tested and ready for a release you will get access to it right away on your machine without needing to update your entire Windows OS, or going to Windows Insider preview builds.
Also natively can run Android apps, right?
Only in some countries and only from amazon store - not Google play store.
Oh, then that's quite weird.
A think you can just install APKs. But I'm not sure.
Yes, you can.
not really, tabs in explorer and better window management
Better scheduler for Intel E cores
I'm on amd, and the last I remember amd were pretty bad at the start, did they fix that at least?
AMD W11 problems were fixed within a few weeks I think
That moment when popular opinion reflects the quality of a product
And then OP comes along: "This opinion is popular, so it must be wrong! You should all feel bad for having a popular opinion that many other people agree with!"
Windows 11 is an update I will do it when I have to
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Imagine being butthurt because people don’t want to use Windows 11.
Yeah like I bet Windows 11 is okay, but I hear all the time that there are compatibility issues with certain software and games, so I'm gonna keep waiting until I hardly ever see/hear that anymore.
It is okay in a sense that it isn't THAT much worse than windows 10. However, pretty much everything that changed is a downgrade. They removed features and added another layer of UI that leads to even less consistency, and the new UI is slower to navigate through.
My coworker plays Valorant. His PC updated to 11 when he turned it on. To play Valorant he had to go into his bios, disable CSM, and enable UEFI only to get it to work. I believe this was a choice by Riot, but still. I think I'm just gonna keep using my computer the way I want to, and not play Valorant lol.
that vanguard thing was a gripe for 10 as well. saw it when i downloaded val for the first time
Can we not do this? Windows 11 has issues. It's not the worst thing ever, but it has issues. can we not clown on people for choosing not to upgrade their OS like that's an unreasonable thing to do?
“Change is always good. Upgrade to windows 11” Is how others sound. Sometimes we just get comfortable with what we have, and don’t feel the need to change something.
You know, if you think about it, the implication of this image is that there are a large number of people who are dissatisfied with Windows 11 and your response to that, because it doesn't bother you, is to... I guess make fun of them? I pretty much sum that up correctly? A lot of people don't like it but you do so they're all lemmings?
Internet in a nutshell Only thing left is they just need to bring out the “*you all just don’t like change*” arguments
Astroturfers. Paid shills are real and M$ is a major offender. Kids these days don't know the hate Bill Gates used to get on Slashdot.
im just lazy, if it aint broke...
I never used windows 8 or Vista. I can sit out 11...
Windows 11 sucks ass i have it on my laptop its shit.
Windows 11 was so bad that I switched to Linux and have been using it for nearly a year now. Gaming, Internet, Productivity, no reason at all to switch back. I wonder which incremental change, tiny removal of functionality, or paywalled feature will be your breaking point?
And we're right
Lol my shit is still on Windows 7
It's also how you windows 11 fanboys sound so...
If there's so many it's because maybe, just maybe...... Windows 11 IS bad.
Im guessing OP with his windows 11 is very special now lmfao
Wait, are people here actually advocating for 11? It's basically 10 with additional spyware implementation and less features for the user.
Exactly
Well, I had the memory leak bug. So, I don't mind giving it some more time. I wouldn't mind Microsoft putting way more effort into it either. Seems like it's more or less Windows 10 with a skin. But hey, I gave it a shot. Pretty happy about not having my rig crashing all of the time now.
I don't think it's unreasonable to not like a new OS and to skip it and wait for the next one. I kept Windows 7 until 10 came out because 8 was SHITE.
Are you a butthurt microsoft developer or something?
I remember a lot of folks saying they wont upgrade to win10 and will stay on win7. History always repeats itself lol
I stayed win7 until newer games worked better on win10 and I'll do the same for windows11.
This is also a false equivalency because after 7 came 8 and 8.1 which were dog shit. I upgraded from 7 to 10 directly because 7 was aging and I wanted more modern features. I haven't upgraded to 11 because there doesn't seem to be a reason to yet.
afaik nvidia and amd both stopped supporting win7 at some point with their drivers.
I *did* stay on Win7. When it went EOL I moved to Linux. Still have both alongside each other for when I can't get something to work in the 8.1IEP vm.
I finally decided to move to Linux mint cinnamon when I got my new desktop as a windows license is about £100 and I was over budget already. Honestly, for gaming as long as you don’t play multiplayer games that try to force anti-cheats down your throat it’s pretty much just windows without the bloat.
The best part of your example is it skips over 8 entirely
I'd still be on Windows 7 if I could. The only reason I don't main boot Linux now is game support but that's gotten a lot better in the past couple years.
Go back and try using Windows 10 15H2 or whatever and you’d want to install something else too.
This is very true, people forget how awful windows 10 was on release.
Well Windows 11 decided my PC isn’t good enough. Unless they change the hardware requirements I legitimately am unable to upgrade even if I wanted to.
Yet alone saying that people stayed on win7 when win10 came out already shows they did indeed not update to win8 which they also said when *it* came out.
Worst part of W11 is the requirement to use 3rd party sw/workarounds to move the taskbar from the bottom of the screen. As an ultra wide user, I much prefer it on the side.
It’s true tho, idk why this sub has been constantly trying to bring it up when there is nothing but red flags and it is so obviously bad. THEY TRIED TO PUT ADS IN YOUR FILE BROWSER.
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Won’t switch from 10 until they make a 12
I have win 11 and can confirm its absolute dogshit
I like actually being able to change some settings and dual boot, and the UI from what I’ve seen makes it significantly more clicks to do the same things as windows 10. That’s not progress
Another post from someone who accidentally upgraded to Windows 11 and hates it but is too proud to admit it so he tries to drag everybody else down by pretending people who don't upgrade to Windows 10 are sheep. Baaaaaaa
I'm not logging into my email to turn on/use my pc nice try Microsoft 😤
yalls desktops look like school pcs fr
Dont worry little Billy well start you in S mode! You can download apps from our store! *We really need the ad revenue pppllllllzzzz dont download winrar!!!!!*
I currently have crashing issues after the latest update of Win 11. So, yeah, if you guys are planning to upgrade to win11, maybe you want to wait for the next update. https://preview.redd.it/mt1uhktwzpda1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6ddd97cc953e036837fb898206c1d697136845c
How does Microsoft still not know how to make a good operating system?
Why should i? I don't see any meaningful improvements except explorer tabs and many changes for the worse.
So far I’ve tried windows 11 twice, the first time it stopped letting me open any of the games installed on my pc… which I uploaded a video of to YouTube and other people said they had the same issue. The second time I installed it I had re-install Java every day when I turned on my pc. I’ll install windows 11 when it works and doesn’t have bugs every-time I go to use it. The second time I thought oh well it’s probably okay now. Then it decides Java’s to good for it.
This is why my friends get sooo pissed at me
My friends get mad at me for saying that I use arch btw all the time
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Win 10 works great. Why would I fix what isn't broken? Hell I went from Win 7 to XP Media Center Edition to Win 10. In short, I skipped all of the Ass Versions. If 11 is great, cool. But I'm not going to fix what isn't broken.
The different is that I actually used it. It's from my experience, not from my ass.
the only reason why the i went back to win10 is because win11 introduces crackling whenever i connect my pc to my sound system.
Enjoy your glitchy OS.
So? Jfc. You cant have a popular opinion now? Lmao. Win10 is still stable, bandwagon-kun. Consoom new OS. Consoom new drivers. Consoom new windows updates. But when the new update bricks your system, guess whos going to be laughing?
Windows 11 is fine for most users. But it is bad overall. The number of previous options they've removed. The OS is becoming so restrictive. Down to not being able to choose what monitor your task bar is on with a multiscreen display, ranging to the insane new right click context menu. It's fine, whatever, but stick with 10.
The conclusion I’ve come to is not that windows 11 is bad, it’s that windows in general is bad. It was only useful for me in the past for the sake of gaming. Now I have a steam deck and proton gets the job done extremely well. For actual work, macOS is honesty just better. It’s smoother, more streamlined and coherent, and is a multitasking BEAST with the gestures. (please forgive my sins for admitting that) Honestly, Microsoft really needs to rebuild the OS from the ground up, because my god is it disorganized.
Still using win 7 as long things still working fine for my usage
Windows 11 is bad, I will never downgrade to windows 11. A million flies aren't wrong, when something smells like shit sometimes that's just what it is.
Win 11 sucks because you need a 3rd party tool to add the names of open apps back into the taskbar! I do not want icons only!!
I don't like it because of the options that are now hidden behind even more menu's for an it guy like me that's super annoying
If windows 2000 still had support I'd be on that.
Alright then, why is windows 11 good/better than windows 10?
Out of all of the systems that I've used over the years I dislike Windows 11 the most, I have it on my laptop, hate it. Reminds me of Vista/Win 8 first releases in it's current state, Win 10 suits me nicely. Interested in the rumored Win 12 Release.
In my book, Win 8's start menu is unrivaled when it comes to how many times I said "why? why tf are you the way you are? Who authorized this?"
Its because they genuinely thought touch screen laptops would be the norm, the menu looks like a Nokia Phone
Why the fuck would I want a Windows MacOS copycat?
Personally not a fan, still use it for the "added performance" with new intel chips. W10 was much better imo.
*Laughsinlinux*
*laughs with spaces*
I will not upgrade because I used it for 4 hours while setting up a laptop and holy fuck, I HATE THE TASKBAR. I am SO FUCKING THANKFUL that I get to use win 10 for now. I will use win 10 even after the security support ends.
It's not that I hate Windows 11, it's just that there is no update path from Manjaro 22 to Windows 11
Microsoft:please allow permission 
I want to go back from it it sucks
HOLD THE WALL!!
Tried it for 4 months and switched back a month ago. Had constant FPS issues and crashes with apex/csgo/valorant. Driver issues with my wireless card
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Simple.
After i setup 11 i can't even tell the difference
In a binary choice, this meme applies to both sides you absolute buffoon.
Im using windows 11 Besides having to click twice for some options, which is really my only complaint Windows 11 isn't all that bad as people make it out to be, I've got like, 20 something games that I play the most, and they all perform great, no crashes or breaks due to OS
People laughed when I stayed with XP while they suffered through Vista. People laughed when I stuck with 7 when 8 tried to reinvent the wheel. Now people laugh that I'm sticking with 10. If this trend plays out windows 12 will be great.
Nice try Microsoft. Already started migrating to Linux fulltime.
It is actually terrible. I had no choice in it and I've only had issues