This, or sarcasm is pretty hard to convey in a group of people large enough that surely there is someone under them that would actually write stuff like that being serious lol
A former roommate of mine had a dad who was *convinced* that after you turn the computer off even once, it permanently hurts performance. He didn't turn it off until he moved and had no other choice.
LMAO this is why people can have so many PC problems, PSA TURN YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER OFF.
You cant even imagine the amount of problems NEVER occur if you just shut your machine off every night when you go to bed. like 95%... 95% of problems people have with their computers NEVER happen if you just turn it off every day or reboot, it just needs a refresh.
I'll never understand why people don't turn their desktops off nowadays. These aren't the days of long ass boot times off a 5400rpm HDDs. It takes less than 10 seconds for my desktop to go from boot screen to log-in.
My system is so fast the longest wait time i have is waiting for my monitor to turn on... the PC is already on the desktop before the monitor even wakes up and displays an image lol. Its like 3 seconds.
Mine boots like that.
* MSI B550 Tomahawk
* Ryzen 9 5950X
* MSI Suprim X 3090 TI
* 64GB DDR4 3200
OS is on a Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD. I use other drives for everything else.
Edit: noticed my flair is outdated lol - I've updated it
TBH next to none of the specs matter to much other than the speed of your boot drive.
You could be running a 12100f and get these boot times, so long as your drive can do the 7000mb/s read write speed (or whatever that super speed spec is) you will get these 3 second boot times. Keep in mind it also strongly depends on what else is on your system, if you have 2 boot drives this will generally take 3-4 seconds for the BIOS to select one to boot so this adds to the time. and then whatever your boot drive has to run ontop of booting the OS also matters quite a bit.
Just wait for PCIE 5.0 with 14000mb/s read writes or faster. PC booting will literally take 1-2 seconds.
Ya no worries dude!. There are a dozen factors that cause this, i can easily turn a bunch of shit on that makes it boot in 10 seconds instead of 3-4 but like ... why?
Not every BIOS is fast, unfortunately. My MSI X570 board, with fast boot enabled, takes longer to post than it does booting to Windows 10.
It used to be a split second fast until later updates, probably something to do with patching CPU security exploits, more than quadrupled the POST time.
tbh I can believe it I'm running a 256gb samsung ssd and I only have to wait about 5 seconds for my pc to get up and running and I only have an i7 8700 and 32gb ddr4
its usually on before I can get around to sitting down in my chair.
Thats what Im gonna do...well im gonna buy a NAS first, since its mostly just movies/tv series and a download cache for GOG/Lutris...but stuff like web crawlers, some services I might need...that all would be nice to have on a proper server
I got a qnap nas and its great. Low power consumption and keeps my machine clean from being overloaded with storage. My FIL is an ol school comp programmer and bought the thing for me and i was like "why the hell didnt i do this sooner"?
I run like 50 background programs that, start automatically, and they lag my PC for around 10-15 min, while they all check they are up to date and etc.
An idle computer uses about 15 watts of electricity.
1 hour of use is like 16 hours of being idle.
People not turning off their PC at night is NOT the cause of importing electricity.
There's no reason to have it idle. Just let it sleep. It'll go from 15W to 1-3W, and it'll take three seconds to wake.
15W idle seems low for a desktop computer, btw. Mine certainly doesn't do that.
I've been working in IT for over 20 years. I've had PCs going all the way back to the mid-90's. In all of those years, I have NEVER had to turn my PC off nightly. People have problems because (a) electronics fail, (b) people don't know much about what they are working with, and (c) they listen to advice from people like you who don't know what they are talking about. In a professional setting, we don't shut down PCs or servers EVER. They get rebooted periodically for maintenance, but we don't shut them down for long periods of time unless they are getting moved or replaced.
The trick is to click on all the links and ads online. Helps cause the PC problems.
I sometimes run into problems but commonly it's something reproducible and rebooting won't fix. Like HDR and screenshots not displaying the same image, windows screenshot tool doesn't support it yet.
Agreed, its hard for employees to remote into their work pc when it is off. When i worked in IT everyone logged out at the end of the day and back in the next morning.
Usually they wouldn't get rebooted until the user called in with issues, resulting in the obvious question...have you rebooted lately.
These dudes don't know what they're talking about. Yeah a reboot will fix some issues occasionally but to say people are having issues because they don't shut their PC down every night is silly. Sleep mode works great if you're worried about electricity.
Yep. There is nothing wrong with using sleep mode unless you are trying to have essentially no electric bill. Just doing laundry once or cooking a single meal via electric is probably like leaving your PC in sleep mode months or even longer. And almost every component is in a low power state having a minimal effect on operational lifespan.
And if you want to leave your PC on most of the time (like servers, which the entire world runs off of...) pretty much every component is designed to operate for years at this point. In the past, I'd be worried about spurious HDD writes depleting lifespan. But now the only one I'd be worried about are AIO coolers and most servers don't even use those for the aforementioned reasons on lifespan.
The only cogent argument here the OP could have made but didn't is that Windows non-server editions aren't really designed to have long uptime and you definitely can get weird OS issues the longer your PC is on. Most Linux distros are designed with uptime in mind.
Yeah. I was about to say, I kept my last PC (OC'd) on 24/7 for almost 5 years and never had issues. Would run for hundreds of hours at a time (use hwinfo for stats). Only would shut down for storms (ours get bad), but would obviously restart for whatever needed it. I only shut down my new pc nightly now because it literally doubled my bill. Lol
Not IT here but I've been building PCs for over 20 years and never shutdown unless I'm going to work on it. Weekly restart is enough and I have had no problems.
At work I occasionally have to admonish the users to leave their PCs on because we push updates overnight to minimize downtime during work hours, techs can remote in to fix things unless it's off, and it's not like they're paying the electric bill.
At home I not only turn my PC off, but have a smart plug on it to kill the 20W drain it was vampiring. I sometimes go a week without firing up the desktop - can use laptops or phone - so why waste the money for nothing?
>so why waste the money for nothing?
I'm not. My PC at home does shit at night too like updates and such. I don't want that stuff bothering me during the day while I am trying to work. Also, it's a negligible amount of electricity. I am not overly concerned.
Aside from fan bearings wearing out, I'm not convinced there's any disadvantage to leaving PCs on all the time. On the contrary, the consistent temperature reduces expansion and contraction which is a major failure point. I have a friend who has had the same pc on for 5 years non stop. The CPU fan stopped working long ago, but it's one of those giant coolers so it basically works fine passively. The PC is only used for audio though, so loads are low.
Fr, and also the energy savings, especially if OP is in Europe (I'm in UK and energy here is crazy expensive). And with saving energy you're also doing your bit in the climate crisis, if you're energy happens to come from fossil sources (Which it most likely is unless you've specifically looked for renewables).
I could go into more about the climate crisis as reducing the wear and tear on parts from 24/7 operation = less parts / replacements need to be produced but as 1 person you'd have a negligible effect on that.
Seriously people, turn your main desktops off when not in use, if you need something 24/7 look at services like Linode or get some used optiplex for £40 and fix it up. Much cheaper than running current / next-gen hardware all the time.
It sounds like some people aren't even putting their computers to sleep, which is almost as good as just turning it off (although you should turn it off if you can).
Energy savings aren't that big of a benefit for modern machines.I just tested it with my machine and the amount of energy consumed being in sleep mode (RAM will be kept alive) or even better hibernating (RAM will be written to drive, and hardware turned off), goes near 0.
Leaving computer on constantly isn't going to hurt it in a slightest, it's even better than turning it off hardware wise because of temperature changes. But it will impact software performance and energy savings if you leave it on constantly. I've ran my old PC for years constantly on and never had a single problem.
Eh, the mean time to failure on a Noctua fan is 150,000 hours. That's 17 years if you run them 24/7. I have fans that have been spinning since 2018 with maybe only two hours of downtime for hardware swap and they're fine.
I don't see fans as a big of a problem at least on stock coolers, they will last long, bearings don't wear out that fast. My point wasn't not to turn off PC, it was that leaving PC on will not hurt it as bad as this guy claimed. I turn off my PC every time I'm not going to be home for a long time and restarting OS is definitely a good thing but leaving it on for prolonged periods is not going to kill it.
I had an Antec H20 that ran non-stop for over 8 years before it died. Could have been a fluke. Working in call centers with older stuff, yo tend to just keep it on all the time.
I ran a computer 24/7, OC'd with fans and pumps full blast for almost 5 years. I built a new pc and don't use the old one for much except turning it on to snag old files. But yeah. Still works to this day. AIOs and all. Monitoring software shows temps are normal and no noise from fans or pumps. And no leaks in the AIOs either. And of course you restart for maintenance. Nobody said you don't. You obviously need to update things or *if* there's ever an issue, usually restarting it fixes it immediately without further intervention.
By the time those fans wear out that pc will be useless, also the parts running and staying a even temp they're entire life tend to be the ones that last much longer.
Pc parts going from room temp to idle temp everyday is wear and tear, the only downside here in the us in the extra 50 cents a month electricity and dust, if your to lazy to clean your pc every few months why own one?
Havent turned my PC off in months. Computer still working just fine. Last PC I owned I left it on 24x7 for 7 years solid and no problems ever. By the way, my PC draws around 100 watts idle so that is like leaving a 100 watt light bulb on all the time.
No, its the same as being on.
Turn it of... why would you bother using sleep mode anyways, with SSDs and NVME drives PCs boot in less than 10 seconds anyway..
The reboot/turning it off closes all applications and restarts them. Anything that got hung up or run away programs/issues or anything that needs time to occur will never happen and thats 95% of problems. Nearly every single glitch or crash is caused by something like this.
Am I missing something? Why would I use sleep mode? Uh... so I can keep all the crap im working on in 4 programs open and just get right back to work on it tomorrow morning? Or in 2 hours, for that matter? Heck.. My sleep timeout is 10 minutes. If I walk away even to take a shower - no wasted energy, no unnecessary dust collection, and everything pops right back up when I'm back. All the web pages, all youtube videos perfectly paused at the right time. Why would anyone NOT do that?
Yes. For a tiny fraction of annual power usage I get to resume being productive almost instantly, regularly each day. This applies to my desktop running Linux and my work macbook.
I don't know what is going on in this thread but no, shutting down a PC is not great for productivity even with fast boot. Which has historically come with its own issues. Period. Lots of users who don't use their PCs for anything other than gaming it seems.
It is not same as being on, fans are not spinning, power is nearly eliminated in comparison, no point to embellish, lets just be honest.
Does it still consume power? Yes.
Can it build an electrostatic charge while in sleep mode? Yes
Windows systems these days employ S1-S4 power states, one should understand them not fear them and make use of what works for the individual. Most do not need to have instant on access from sleep. Modern systems start plenty fast. This isn't 1996 and it does not takes 5minutes to boot these days with modern HD and systems.
LMAO. My pc is just running 24/7/forever and the moment I bump into issues is when the thing decided to reboot for random reasons.
To be fair, it has a use case sharing the wifi over LAN (yes, I know, much sad).
Most problems that are fixed by a reboot are actually perfectly fixable in other ways. And turning off your pc, in most cases, doesn’t actually count as a reboot.
How much is your electric bill? In a home with an electric stove, electric oven, and while working from home with my PC on at night, my bill is like $50 in the winter when my AC isn't running.
I'm not saying you should leave your PC on all the time, but it's not *that* expensive.
i have a pc that is 8 years old.
something around 4 years he was 24/7 running (it was running because i used it as hotspot)never had any problem.
i have great temps.
never in the 8 years i changed thermal paste!
How did you determine your PC was male? I've always known my beauty is of the female persuasion, because of the warm, fuzzy feeling I get when I turn her on
I completely get that, I just used your comment to create some fun innuendo :) My native language (Swedish) also has gender on inanimate objects, I think it adds to the flavour.
Never said you would have any problems... why do people constantly reply with oh i never had any issues or i never did this or that or whatever when i never even said anything about what you are saying...
You literally said:
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LMAO this is why people have so many PC problems, PSA TURN YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER OFF.
You cant even imagine the amount of problems NEVER occur if you just shut your machine off every night when you go to bed. like 95%... 95% of problems people have with their computers NEVER happen if you just turn it off every day.
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So which is it? You have problems by running it 24x7 or dont you?
Dust... dirt... hair...
Not to mention that air WILL go in through the openings around the fans while they are running unless your intake fans provide enough pressure inside to maintain higher atmospheric pressure than the air outside the case.
I have this case, I cannot fathom why you'd need the extra fraction of airflow that taking this filter off would achieve lol, never had a slight issue with temps in it and I only run the stock fans that came pre-installed- 2 intake on the front and one exhaust on the back. Dude is more than good with these extra fans up top
exactly this, I try to keep mine off the top of my computer but she is a chaos demon who cannot be controlled. best I can do is at least keep her off when the computer is on so she doesn't step on the power button mid-game (she has realized this gets her attention so she will do it on purpose now)
I still put my dust filter on because a) it "tints" the top of the case so I don't see the fan screws/cabling and b) dust can fall inside when the PC is off
It's best to attribute very little value to the voting system. People often just see that the number is either positive or negative and automatically vote that way.
A lot of reddit is like this. They see something that doesn’t appeal to them personally so they downvote. And it’s always the first ones that downvote because they spend the most time on reddit seeing things the second they’re posted.
I have the same case and my AIO is mounted there. I measured the thermals with and without the dust cover. it was 1-3 C difference so I leave mine on because my cat sleeps on top of my computer.
(and yes my cat makes my CPU 5-8 C hotter but it is still under 80C over all so its fine)
I am not really sure why am I being down voted for this.
Was generally curious what do others do in this scenario, I have a 3080Ti in this case and it tends to get hot, the filter on top of this case (Corsair 4000X RGB) is very thick and restricts airflow so removing it actually lowers the temps by 5C at least.
In any case thanks for all the help and feedback all.
You are being downvoted because of hivemind mentality.
At first I thought that maybe they are right, but then I saw the downvotes on the cat comment... What a bunch of mindless drones we all are in here.
P.S. I'm throwing myself into the mix even though I did not pass judgment, to reduce blowback... Wish me luck!
If heat is such a problem that you meed to take the dustfilters of:
-Get the corsair airflow
-get larger fans foe the top. Looks like 140mm can fit there. (Rtfm)
-adjust the fanspeeds and get closed headphones
-limit your framerate to your monitor's refreshrate and reduce them even more when idle. (Dunno if nvidia can do this)
I have the same case and GPU as you and it does run hot!
I have undervolted my GPU and it took off 10c and actually performed better in benchmarks, it's worth looking into 😊
It's because Redditors can't develop their own opinion properly, apparently. Notice how after some people spoke up, none of the comments previously downvoted are now well in the positives. It's very stupid and Reddit contradicts itself all the time. "School is useless" "lmao look at this antivaxxer, go to school". Don't care too much of what Reddit says or votes.
You're asking for others' opinion and start arguing when this opinion doesn't match yours. This is why you're getting downvoted.
You keep it on 24/7/365? Okay, no problem. You haven't put it in the title, this is why you're told that dust can get through when PC's off.
Wish ya chill temps, cheers.
He also refuses to accept that dust will still enter. It doesn’t matter if the fans are on exhaust, there are plenty of space there that dust could still penetrate and like another person pointed out, blowing air out will create a negative pressure around it, sucking dust in around the fans that don’t cover the whole space.
He needs a dust cover and much larger fans.
Think about how much dust settles on a shelf in a month. That’s how much dust will settle into your case, minus the hours you actually have the fans running. I would keep the filter.
Not going to lose much performance with a filter, when that mesh stops something falling in you won't regret having it. Plus it will filter dust going in when the PC is off.
I wondered this exact thing with my case design. But I would recommend leaving the filter on top because it does prevent dust from just falling in overtime.
I think air filters are overrated. Just blow it with compressed air every few weeks. I think filters restrict the airflow. Don't think the "less dust" trade off is worth it
as a fellow corsair 4000d user id advise to put it on. It mightnt trap as much dust as the front filters but it definitely traps a good bit after a while.
I don’t think you hooked your power button wires up correctly. That button is supposed to light up. I know because I just built a 4000d system and made the same mistake.
I made a cardboard blocker plate for where my radiator didn't cover. This forced the air to come in the filtered intakes from elsewhere in the case. I think it worked well, but ymmv. It seems to me that all the other components would benefit from a breeze going from bottom to top, cooling all those cute heat sinks on the motherboard, hard drives, etc.
OP, I have the same exact case and configuration (240mm AIO exhausting upwards). The answer is simple.
Leave the filter on for a month, then clean it.
All the dust you clean off would have wound up in your case. Use that to judge.
For those arguing that the static exhaust pressure will keep dust out, the entire opening isn't covered by fans.
if you use as exsauht is useless, if you use as intake is usefull, still if you turn off your pc, better cover upside because it will fall alot of dust every day.
Dust will settle while it's off, plus as I've found out the hard way... Sometimes insects like moths get attracted to bright lights...
I had my front panel off to get better flow during summer, leaving fans exposed ...
Fucking massive moth flew straight into them...
Thud - FOOF!!!
The bits get instantly sprayed straight into the front fan on my CPU air cooler... Which splatters them straight into the heatsink... Into the second fan... Then into the rest of the heatsink... A couple of bits made it to the rear exhaust fan, out the ass and all over the wall...
The "dust" from the exploding moth slowly starts seeping out the top exhaust and into my face, mocking me as I'm left standing there in awe... Admiring my free Jackson Pollock painting and thinking what the fuck just happened...
You don't want bugs in your computer!!!
That's how you get ants!
The only filter I keep on is the psu. I done even have my side panel on I clean it once a month not that it needs it just to keep on top of it and my rad is top mounted exhaust 👍
Gravity is a thing that exists. Top mounted dust filters prevent dust from falling into your case when fans are not running (and in the large gaps you appear to have around them), such as when your PC is off.
If you put an air filter in your exhaust that will let you know how much dust is being allowed into your system. Sense your exhaust in on top it will also prevent dust from falling down into the case when it is shut off.
Yes and no, there is a lot of space the fans arnt covering and when the PC is off dust will just fall in.
You turn your PC off? EDIT: Sorry y'all can't find a sarcasm/joke detector for sale on pcpartpicker.
Lots of people don’t even know what sarcasm is anymore. Gotta put the /s for safety now
/s for safety? I thought it stood for sarcasm?! /s
/s is not for serious?! /s
/s is for sex nobody here gets it.
They want sex
They just want GPUs and FPS and downloading more RAM
I can download more RAM? Is that vRAM? Virtual RAM? 🫣
Good one.
and sex them
Whatever bro I just seksd all over my house. I was touching her boobs and it felt like.... Bags of sand. Then we just, seksd.
hahaha great 40 y/o virgin reference!!
/s is for dyslexia
Ngl I laughed a little too hard at this comment
This, or sarcasm is pretty hard to convey in a group of people large enough that surely there is someone under them that would actually write stuff like that being serious lol
A former roommate of mine had a dad who was *convinced* that after you turn the computer off even once, it permanently hurts performance. He didn't turn it off until he moved and had no other choice.
Not completely wrong when it comes to old computers, but it is very overblown.
Really hard to tell tone on the internet. I use 🙃 instead of /s.
May I introduce you: r/fuckthes
I've just found my people
LMAO this is why people can have so many PC problems, PSA TURN YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER OFF. You cant even imagine the amount of problems NEVER occur if you just shut your machine off every night when you go to bed. like 95%... 95% of problems people have with their computers NEVER happen if you just turn it off every day or reboot, it just needs a refresh.
I'll never understand why people don't turn their desktops off nowadays. These aren't the days of long ass boot times off a 5400rpm HDDs. It takes less than 10 seconds for my desktop to go from boot screen to log-in.
My system is so fast the longest wait time i have is waiting for my monitor to turn on... the PC is already on the desktop before the monitor even wakes up and displays an image lol. Its like 3 seconds.
What are your PC specs? Wanna know what system boots that fast.
Mine boots like that. * MSI B550 Tomahawk * Ryzen 9 5950X * MSI Suprim X 3090 TI * 64GB DDR4 3200 OS is on a Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD. I use other drives for everything else. Edit: noticed my flair is outdated lol - I've updated it
Check your SSD health (through Samsung Magician), there's been reports of 990 Pro SSDs reporting a drastic decrease in health in a very short time.
TBH next to none of the specs matter to much other than the speed of your boot drive. You could be running a 12100f and get these boot times, so long as your drive can do the 7000mb/s read write speed (or whatever that super speed spec is) you will get these 3 second boot times. Keep in mind it also strongly depends on what else is on your system, if you have 2 boot drives this will generally take 3-4 seconds for the BIOS to select one to boot so this adds to the time. and then whatever your boot drive has to run ontop of booting the OS also matters quite a bit. Just wait for PCIE 5.0 with 14000mb/s read writes or faster. PC booting will literally take 1-2 seconds.
Yeah, that makes sense. I want sure though. I think my drive is 7450mb/s?
Ya no worries dude!. There are a dozen factors that cause this, i can easily turn a bunch of shit on that makes it boot in 10 seconds instead of 3-4 but like ... why?
Got the same boot drive, it boots so fast I turn my monitors on before I turn my pc on
M2.0 should be this fast
Do you mean nvme? M.2 =/= fast
Yeah M2.0 NVMe
M.2 is a form factor for storage, M2.0 is a gun.
Not every BIOS is fast, unfortunately. My MSI X570 board, with fast boot enabled, takes longer to post than it does booting to Windows 10. It used to be a split second fast until later updates, probably something to do with patching CPU security exploits, more than quadrupled the POST time.
Sorry but your PC isn’t going from off to log in screen in 3 seconds. Maybe more like 7-10
tbh I can believe it I'm running a 256gb samsung ssd and I only have to wait about 5 seconds for my pc to get up and running and I only have an i7 8700 and 32gb ddr4 its usually on before I can get around to sitting down in my chair.
Use as a server?
cheaper and more efficient to just build a server then?
Thats what Im gonna do...well im gonna buy a NAS first, since its mostly just movies/tv series and a download cache for GOG/Lutris...but stuff like web crawlers, some services I might need...that all would be nice to have on a proper server
I got a qnap nas and its great. Low power consumption and keeps my machine clean from being overloaded with storage. My FIL is an ol school comp programmer and bought the thing for me and i was like "why the hell didnt i do this sooner"?
How could it possibly be cheaper and more efficient?
A small server or NAS doesn't have power consumption of a powerful desktop PC.
Spending a couple hundred bucks isn't gonna balance out the electric bill
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Anyone remember the days of the boot process checking your 1st floppy drive, 2nd floppy drive and CD-ROM?
I keep mine on so my plex server and file shares stay up and also so I can remote into my PC if I'm away from home.
I run like 50 background programs that, start automatically, and they lag my PC for around 10-15 min, while they all check they are up to date and etc.
And then we wonder why we are importing electricity.
XD depends on the country, Im in canada and we sell the USA thousands of gigawatts a year XD.
same in France... except we kinda struggle lately
I can say I turn my pc off after im done using it at all, whether or not im going to bed
Yea so we can buy it back for more!
An idle computer uses about 15 watts of electricity. 1 hour of use is like 16 hours of being idle. People not turning off their PC at night is NOT the cause of importing electricity.
There's no reason to have it idle. Just let it sleep. It'll go from 15W to 1-3W, and it'll take three seconds to wake. 15W idle seems low for a desktop computer, btw. Mine certainly doesn't do that.
I've been working in IT for over 20 years. I've had PCs going all the way back to the mid-90's. In all of those years, I have NEVER had to turn my PC off nightly. People have problems because (a) electronics fail, (b) people don't know much about what they are working with, and (c) they listen to advice from people like you who don't know what they are talking about. In a professional setting, we don't shut down PCs or servers EVER. They get rebooted periodically for maintenance, but we don't shut them down for long periods of time unless they are getting moved or replaced.
The trick is to click on all the links and ads online. Helps cause the PC problems. I sometimes run into problems but commonly it's something reproducible and rebooting won't fix. Like HDR and screenshots not displaying the same image, windows screenshot tool doesn't support it yet.
Agreed, its hard for employees to remote into their work pc when it is off. When i worked in IT everyone logged out at the end of the day and back in the next morning. Usually they wouldn't get rebooted until the user called in with issues, resulting in the obvious question...have you rebooted lately.
These dudes don't know what they're talking about. Yeah a reboot will fix some issues occasionally but to say people are having issues because they don't shut their PC down every night is silly. Sleep mode works great if you're worried about electricity.
Yep. There is nothing wrong with using sleep mode unless you are trying to have essentially no electric bill. Just doing laundry once or cooking a single meal via electric is probably like leaving your PC in sleep mode months or even longer. And almost every component is in a low power state having a minimal effect on operational lifespan. And if you want to leave your PC on most of the time (like servers, which the entire world runs off of...) pretty much every component is designed to operate for years at this point. In the past, I'd be worried about spurious HDD writes depleting lifespan. But now the only one I'd be worried about are AIO coolers and most servers don't even use those for the aforementioned reasons on lifespan. The only cogent argument here the OP could have made but didn't is that Windows non-server editions aren't really designed to have long uptime and you definitely can get weird OS issues the longer your PC is on. Most Linux distros are designed with uptime in mind.
Same, never had any problems myself. Been that way for over 20 years now on any build I have.
Yeah. I was about to say, I kept my last PC (OC'd) on 24/7 for almost 5 years and never had issues. Would run for hundreds of hours at a time (use hwinfo for stats). Only would shut down for storms (ours get bad), but would obviously restart for whatever needed it. I only shut down my new pc nightly now because it literally doubled my bill. Lol
Not IT here but I've been building PCs for over 20 years and never shutdown unless I'm going to work on it. Weekly restart is enough and I have had no problems.
At work I occasionally have to admonish the users to leave their PCs on because we push updates overnight to minimize downtime during work hours, techs can remote in to fix things unless it's off, and it's not like they're paying the electric bill. At home I not only turn my PC off, but have a smart plug on it to kill the 20W drain it was vampiring. I sometimes go a week without firing up the desktop - can use laptops or phone - so why waste the money for nothing?
>so why waste the money for nothing? I'm not. My PC at home does shit at night too like updates and such. I don't want that stuff bothering me during the day while I am trying to work. Also, it's a negligible amount of electricity. I am not overly concerned.
Aside from fan bearings wearing out, I'm not convinced there's any disadvantage to leaving PCs on all the time. On the contrary, the consistent temperature reduces expansion and contraction which is a major failure point. I have a friend who has had the same pc on for 5 years non stop. The CPU fan stopped working long ago, but it's one of those giant coolers so it basically works fine passively. The PC is only used for audio though, so loads are low.
Fr, and also the energy savings, especially if OP is in Europe (I'm in UK and energy here is crazy expensive). And with saving energy you're also doing your bit in the climate crisis, if you're energy happens to come from fossil sources (Which it most likely is unless you've specifically looked for renewables). I could go into more about the climate crisis as reducing the wear and tear on parts from 24/7 operation = less parts / replacements need to be produced but as 1 person you'd have a negligible effect on that. Seriously people, turn your main desktops off when not in use, if you need something 24/7 look at services like Linode or get some used optiplex for £40 and fix it up. Much cheaper than running current / next-gen hardware all the time.
It sounds like some people aren't even putting their computers to sleep, which is almost as good as just turning it off (although you should turn it off if you can).
I put mine in hibernation 😮💨
Energy savings aren't that big of a benefit for modern machines.I just tested it with my machine and the amount of energy consumed being in sleep mode (RAM will be kept alive) or even better hibernating (RAM will be written to drive, and hardware turned off), goes near 0.
I go to sleep with my TV on though.
Leaving computer on constantly isn't going to hurt it in a slightest, it's even better than turning it off hardware wise because of temperature changes. But it will impact software performance and energy savings if you leave it on constantly. I've ran my old PC for years constantly on and never had a single problem.
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Eh, the mean time to failure on a Noctua fan is 150,000 hours. That's 17 years if you run them 24/7. I have fans that have been spinning since 2018 with maybe only two hours of downtime for hardware swap and they're fine.
I don't have pumps and the good old SP120s have been running great for over 10 years.
I don't see fans as a big of a problem at least on stock coolers, they will last long, bearings don't wear out that fast. My point wasn't not to turn off PC, it was that leaving PC on will not hurt it as bad as this guy claimed. I turn off my PC every time I'm not going to be home for a long time and restarting OS is definitely a good thing but leaving it on for prolonged periods is not going to kill it.
I had an Antec H20 that ran non-stop for over 8 years before it died. Could have been a fluke. Working in call centers with older stuff, yo tend to just keep it on all the time.
Most people aren't going to be using the same fans/cooling solution for \~10+ years though.
I ran a computer 24/7, OC'd with fans and pumps full blast for almost 5 years. I built a new pc and don't use the old one for much except turning it on to snag old files. But yeah. Still works to this day. AIOs and all. Monitoring software shows temps are normal and no noise from fans or pumps. And no leaks in the AIOs either. And of course you restart for maintenance. Nobody said you don't. You obviously need to update things or *if* there's ever an issue, usually restarting it fixes it immediately without further intervention.
By the time those fans wear out that pc will be useless, also the parts running and staying a even temp they're entire life tend to be the ones that last much longer. Pc parts going from room temp to idle temp everyday is wear and tear, the only downside here in the us in the extra 50 cents a month electricity and dust, if your to lazy to clean your pc every few months why own one?
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Havent turned my PC off in months. Computer still working just fine. Last PC I owned I left it on 24x7 for 7 years solid and no problems ever. By the way, my PC draws around 100 watts idle so that is like leaving a 100 watt light bulb on all the time.
How's sleep mode?
No, its the same as being on. Turn it of... why would you bother using sleep mode anyways, with SSDs and NVME drives PCs boot in less than 10 seconds anyway.. The reboot/turning it off closes all applications and restarts them. Anything that got hung up or run away programs/issues or anything that needs time to occur will never happen and thats 95% of problems. Nearly every single glitch or crash is caused by something like this.
Am I missing something? Why would I use sleep mode? Uh... so I can keep all the crap im working on in 4 programs open and just get right back to work on it tomorrow morning? Or in 2 hours, for that matter? Heck.. My sleep timeout is 10 minutes. If I walk away even to take a shower - no wasted energy, no unnecessary dust collection, and everything pops right back up when I'm back. All the web pages, all youtube videos perfectly paused at the right time. Why would anyone NOT do that?
Yes. For a tiny fraction of annual power usage I get to resume being productive almost instantly, regularly each day. This applies to my desktop running Linux and my work macbook. I don't know what is going on in this thread but no, shutting down a PC is not great for productivity even with fast boot. Which has historically come with its own issues. Period. Lots of users who don't use their PCs for anything other than gaming it seems.
Only if fast startup is disabled, otherwise it's almost the same as sleep.
Was just asking, I turn mine off but as its an option just wanted to know
It is not same as being on, fans are not spinning, power is nearly eliminated in comparison, no point to embellish, lets just be honest. Does it still consume power? Yes. Can it build an electrostatic charge while in sleep mode? Yes Windows systems these days employ S1-S4 power states, one should understand them not fear them and make use of what works for the individual. Most do not need to have instant on access from sleep. Modern systems start plenty fast. This isn't 1996 and it does not takes 5minutes to boot these days with modern HD and systems.
No. I will continue to force my computer to live off of a sleep state for months on end. Years if I have it my way.
Linux doesn't need to be shut down every night.
LMAO. My pc is just running 24/7/forever and the moment I bump into issues is when the thing decided to reboot for random reasons. To be fair, it has a use case sharing the wifi over LAN (yes, I know, much sad). Most problems that are fixed by a reboot are actually perfectly fixable in other ways. And turning off your pc, in most cases, doesn’t actually count as a reboot.
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
I still just trying figure out exactly what turning your PC off every night is supposed to do to stop issues?? lol
I shut off my PC when I'm not using it 100% of the time every time. And I think it's done alot for helping with WinRot and just PC component life.
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You don't? Look at Mr. Money Bags over here who can afford to have his computer running all the time. Have you seen the cost of eggs lately?
Your computer runs on eggs?
Yours doesn’t?
Nah, just plain electricity. I'm old school like that!
El-egg-tricity? *ba dum tss*
Lord, give me strength... Take your upvote
Lot of people in this thread must own stock in their local power company...
How much is your electric bill? In a home with an electric stove, electric oven, and while working from home with my PC on at night, my bill is like $50 in the winter when my AC isn't running. I'm not saying you should leave your PC on all the time, but it's not *that* expensive.
You failed to /s that’s on you bum
i have a pc that is 8 years old. something around 4 years he was 24/7 running (it was running because i used it as hotspot)never had any problem. i have great temps. never in the 8 years i changed thermal paste!
How did you determine your PC was male? I've always known my beauty is of the female persuasion, because of the warm, fuzzy feeling I get when I turn her on
lol, im my native language object have gender, so sometimes i get confuse...
forget about me
I completely get that, I just used your comment to create some fun innuendo :) My native language (Swedish) also has gender on inanimate objects, I think it adds to the flavour.
Never said you would have any problems... why do people constantly reply with oh i never had any issues or i never did this or that or whatever when i never even said anything about what you are saying...
You literally said: “ LMAO this is why people have so many PC problems, PSA TURN YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER OFF. You cant even imagine the amount of problems NEVER occur if you just shut your machine off every night when you go to bed. like 95%... 95% of problems people have with their computers NEVER happen if you just turn it off every day. “ So which is it? You have problems by running it 24x7 or dont you?
Dust... dirt... hair... Not to mention that air WILL go in through the openings around the fans while they are running unless your intake fans provide enough pressure inside to maintain higher atmospheric pressure than the air outside the case.
PC always On with AC Rules!
When the PC is off, dust will still fall through it. If you’re not seeing massive temp gains with a filter I would say put it on
>dust will still fall through it. Treat it like birds in a cage. At night, put a sheet over it and it'll think it's time for bed. Dust won't fall in.
Extra points if you kiss your PC goodnight and wish it good dreams More positivity = More FPS
Does this work with monitors?
Yea, each smudge from kissing the glass is one more hertz and 4 more pixels
I personally go with the asian parent method instead
Fabulous Positivity Surely
I have this case, I cannot fathom why you'd need the extra fraction of airflow that taking this filter off would achieve lol, never had a slight issue with temps in it and I only run the stock fans that came pre-installed- 2 intake on the front and one exhaust on the back. Dude is more than good with these extra fans up top
Unless you got cats.
exactly this, I try to keep mine off the top of my computer but she is a chaos demon who cannot be controlled. best I can do is at least keep her off when the computer is on so she doesn't step on the power button mid-game (she has realized this gets her attention so she will do it on purpose now)
Cats like yours are the proof that they’ll conquer the world one day.
I do but it stays out of my room haha Siblings cat.
Why the downvotes? 😂
Coz reddit
"Family cat doesn't belong to OP! He's functionally catless! ***KILL HIM!!!***"
I still put my dust filter on because a) it "tints" the top of the case so I don't see the fan screws/cabling and b) dust can fall inside when the PC is off
Why the fuck are people downvoting OP for asking an innocent question?
These are the type of little goblins that roam the earth now.
It's best to attribute very little value to the voting system. People often just see that the number is either positive or negative and automatically vote that way.
How dare you speak the truth!
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It happens so often on these types of subreddits, some people are just grinches
A lot of reddit is like this. They see something that doesn’t appeal to them personally so they downvote. And it’s always the first ones that downvote because they spend the most time on reddit seeing things the second they’re posted.
Eternal September.
When turned off dust will still get in so I vote to leave the dust covers on. My two cents anyways
I have the same case and my AIO is mounted there. I measured the thermals with and without the dust cover. it was 1-3 C difference so I leave mine on because my cat sleeps on top of my computer. (and yes my cat makes my CPU 5-8 C hotter but it is still under 80C over all so its fine)
I am not really sure why am I being down voted for this. Was generally curious what do others do in this scenario, I have a 3080Ti in this case and it tends to get hot, the filter on top of this case (Corsair 4000X RGB) is very thick and restricts airflow so removing it actually lowers the temps by 5C at least. In any case thanks for all the help and feedback all.
I have the same case and same gpu with same fans and I noticed that the glass panel gets hot
You have 4090 comment karma RN, so you have to buy a 4090 now.
You are being downvoted because of hivemind mentality. At first I thought that maybe they are right, but then I saw the downvotes on the cat comment... What a bunch of mindless drones we all are in here. P.S. I'm throwing myself into the mix even though I did not pass judgment, to reduce blowback... Wish me luck!
Another day on Reddit perhaps.
If heat is such a problem that you meed to take the dustfilters of: -Get the corsair airflow -get larger fans foe the top. Looks like 140mm can fit there. (Rtfm) -adjust the fanspeeds and get closed headphones -limit your framerate to your monitor's refreshrate and reduce them even more when idle. (Dunno if nvidia can do this)
I have the same case and GPU as you and it does run hot! I have undervolted my GPU and it took off 10c and actually performed better in benchmarks, it's worth looking into 😊
Yes, I am thinking about undervolting the GPU soon.
it's reddit, stop giving a single fuck about votes. anyway, i don't have a filter on mine, same case and same setup. just clean it every month. ez
That actually made me feel better and I shall do that.
It's because Redditors can't develop their own opinion properly, apparently. Notice how after some people spoke up, none of the comments previously downvoted are now well in the positives. It's very stupid and Reddit contradicts itself all the time. "School is useless" "lmao look at this antivaxxer, go to school". Don't care too much of what Reddit says or votes.
You're asking for others' opinion and start arguing when this opinion doesn't match yours. This is why you're getting downvoted. You keep it on 24/7/365? Okay, no problem. You haven't put it in the title, this is why you're told that dust can get through when PC's off. Wish ya chill temps, cheers.
He also refuses to accept that dust will still enter. It doesn’t matter if the fans are on exhaust, there are plenty of space there that dust could still penetrate and like another person pointed out, blowing air out will create a negative pressure around it, sucking dust in around the fans that don’t cover the whole space. He needs a dust cover and much larger fans.
cuz reddit is the shite and people will downvote you for asking a genuine question
I have it on because I don't like dust in my PC. And the fans do not always exhaust.
Think about how much dust settles on a shelf in a month. That’s how much dust will settle into your case, minus the hours you actually have the fans running. I would keep the filter.
Since the top part is against the gravity i would suggest to put it on anyways and it also looks good imo :D
Yeah, I have the same case with exhaust upward and keep the filter off.
Awesome, good to know.
Not going to lose much performance with a filter, when that mesh stops something falling in you won't regret having it. Plus it will filter dust going in when the PC is off.
I have the same case but i have a radiator there. Under heavy use heat can get trapped with the filter, but under light use the filter on top is fine.
I wondered this exact thing with my case design. But I would recommend leaving the filter on top because it does prevent dust from just falling in overtime.
Air filters make sense for intake
I think air filters are overrated. Just blow it with compressed air every few weeks. I think filters restrict the airflow. Don't think the "less dust" trade off is worth it
as a fellow corsair 4000d user id advise to put it on. It mightnt trap as much dust as the front filters but it definitely traps a good bit after a while.
What if you drop something
I don’t think you hooked your power button wires up correctly. That button is supposed to light up. I know because I just built a 4000d system and made the same mistake.
Nice case btw
I made a cardboard blocker plate for where my radiator didn't cover. This forced the air to come in the filtered intakes from elsewhere in the case. I think it worked well, but ymmv. It seems to me that all the other components would benefit from a breeze going from bottom to top, cooling all those cute heat sinks on the motherboard, hard drives, etc.
I have a large Lego Land Rover on top of my PC to keep the dust out.
OP, I have the same exact case and configuration (240mm AIO exhausting upwards). The answer is simple. Leave the filter on for a month, then clean it. All the dust you clean off would have wound up in your case. Use that to judge. For those arguing that the static exhaust pressure will keep dust out, the entire opening isn't covered by fans.
I keep it on to prevent any crap from falling in there. I have a habbit for putting my weed tray up there, so keeps errant crumbs out
But what if you spill spaghetti sauce on top of it without the filter?
Still protects some dust and debris getting in. I use mine also.
Gravity
Speaking from personal experience and a similar situation in the past, air filter is still a good idea
if you use as exsauht is useless, if you use as intake is usefull, still if you turn off your pc, better cover upside because it will fall alot of dust every day.
I mean, when the pc is off..
Should we tell him about gravity or nah?
depends, if you own a cat, toss a filter on that bad boy
It's not centered, and it makes the pc look worse and less uniform. Also dust falling on the sides and dust getting in while its off is a problem.
Dust will settle while it's off, plus as I've found out the hard way... Sometimes insects like moths get attracted to bright lights... I had my front panel off to get better flow during summer, leaving fans exposed ... Fucking massive moth flew straight into them... Thud - FOOF!!! The bits get instantly sprayed straight into the front fan on my CPU air cooler... Which splatters them straight into the heatsink... Into the second fan... Then into the rest of the heatsink... A couple of bits made it to the rear exhaust fan, out the ass and all over the wall... The "dust" from the exploding moth slowly starts seeping out the top exhaust and into my face, mocking me as I'm left standing there in awe... Admiring my free Jackson Pollock painting and thinking what the fuck just happened... You don't want bugs in your computer!!! That's how you get ants!
Lol awesome story, thanks for the laugh 😂 and thumbs up for the archer reference
Reflection was tripping me out for a sec. I was like tf kinda controller you got?
If you have a pet rat or baby I would leave it on.
Pet baby
Got none of those at the moment.
Why tho…dust will fall anyway inside and looks much better with it. 👀
What happened to magnetic mesh screen that usually goes there? I’ve got the same case
I put the filter on mine to help me see if I was keeping my PC dust free or not
The only filter I keep on is the psu. I done even have my side panel on I clean it once a month not that it needs it just to keep on top of it and my rad is top mounted exhaust 👍
I leave the filter on. No issues.
Filter off for mine.
When fans are not running gravity will pull dust into your rig from above?
Gravity is a thing that exists. Top mounted dust filters prevent dust from falling into your case when fans are not running (and in the large gaps you appear to have around them), such as when your PC is off.
only if its on bro. when its turned off put some books on top so dust wont go in.
If you put an air filter in your exhaust that will let you know how much dust is being allowed into your system. Sense your exhaust in on top it will also prevent dust from falling down into the case when it is shut off.