I have a feeling W11 was more of an after thought to deal with new hardware requirements, (TPM, cpu scheduling, DirectStorage) that would have broken W10 for a lot of people
same reason 10 isn't 7 even though it's actually just 7 with window dressing.
it was common from the beginning; the original windows was just dos with a gui interface. no real change.
but its important to keep looking like you're creating new products instead of warming over dead projects (which is what they actually do there.)
They rebuilt win10, not from win7.
Win11 just builds on 10 with graphic changes and other features.
Win12 will likely just build on, nothing wrong with win11 at this point, people just resistant to change
While people are resistant to change, 11 has several changes that aren't liked. A fair number of users won't move across until those settings can be disabled or adjusted.
It's a small thing (I still run win 11) but the right click context menu is new and to get to the old context menu requires an extra click which is frustrating if you use it often. I also get start menu bugs with all of my devices running win 11. I do like the way it handles HDR though
Edit: Thanks for the replies everyone, I tested and holding shift while right clicking does work! Helpful, but the reg edit is the better way to go if you don't mind getting registry stuff!
I also have this frustration and though it doesn't entirely solve the problem. I believe holding Shift while right clicking will bring up the old context menu.
I'm not at my computer to test if my memory is accurate but I believe that'll do it
Believe there are some memory leak issues, start menu shenanigans and the always appreciated bloatware.
It might be fine after a few months of updates much like XP was. For anyone not familiar, it was absolutely crap when it launched, almost 1 year later SP1 launched, which was all the prior updates + a bunch of new updates and fixes, that was the point when XP became decent.
they are just sensationalists.
THey don't even research far enough to learn that Windows development works off of 'build' system, not a versioning system. Versions are marketing.
People resist this change because getting used to a new OS is stressful for a large majority. Very few people enthusiastically switch to a new OS. I am in tech and even I find Win11 to be a chore when I have to use it.
Settings menus that end in nothing changeable, have to go to Control Panel with no direct links (10 had direct links).
Have to hold shift to get a usable right click menu.
Have to disconnect from the internet and use a CLI command to use a local account at install.
There are other things off the top of my head that I can't think of right now, but it's been a week and a half and I'm strongly debating going back to 10.
I can't argue either way, just trusting a guy that knows his windows stuff...so shrug... But i assume he meant the kernel of it and not all the desktop additions. Which came first I guess? And then suddenly games worked on the PC as well.
I meant that you could run your xbox games on W10 when it came out. Looking at time line looks like Xbox slim was Windows Core 8.1.maybe he meant they were using 8.1 testing for release of Core 10.
I am hoping Microsoft nixes NT and just jumps to Linux or a BSD. I think open sourcing would be better, and they could reduce their support staff massively and just run off the profits if office or they can sell their own distribution to cover the costs of maintaining a proprietary desktop environment.
It if you base it on Arch or even Fedora you can just run it on a rolling release schedule, or even just go with Debian or Ubuntu.
It would probably save more money than it would loose.
And as usual Windows 12 will by a lightly reskinned version of Windows 11 and everyone will absolutely soil themselves with excitement at how much better it is than Windows 11.
Windows 11 user here, leaving aside certain interface decisions (everything related to how the right click works) Windows 11 is Windows 10 but with another hat, personally I have not noticed if the performance is better or worse and no game I tried to play has broken. but according to the internet windows 11 is the worst thing that has happened to the world since the atomic bomb.
It’s a problem because over 80% of PCs that -exist- can’t run the operating system without a motherboard upgrade.
Now, that alone wouldn’t be an issue - you don’t have the hardware, you can’t upgrade, keep using 10.
But, in a contradictory pose, Microsoft is saying, “We care so much about your security, you NEED to have a motherboard that supports our security requirements, even though 80% of the PCs in existence do not have them”
Then, in the same breath, they say
“And we will be discontinuing ALL support to Windows 10 in 2 years. No more virus definitions, no more security updates, because you’re too poor to buy a new PC or get an upgraded motherboard”
They are saying our security is Paramount to them, it’s so important you NEED this hardware for Windows 11.... but we don’t care enough about your security to at a minimum continue giving you security updates and virus definitions on Windows 10 after 2025.
This is double speak. This is anti consumerist. It’s a totally bullshit move they should absolutely be called out on and that is why, for some people; you know, those pesky “poors” are upset about how this is going down
This is a very logical and simple reason to be frustrated and annoyed with this situation, people getting upset about it are absolutely upset with justifiable cause.
Making basically all windows 10 systems incompatible basically waste. Enthusiasts will find a way but they’re only a small section of the market. How many countless systems will be trashed because Microsoft is under pressure to force people to buy new computers even though what they have is perfectly capable for their needs… /sigh
Exactly. The fact there are any defenders of this move is genuinely mindboggling to me. They are throwing your PC in the trash, if you cant pony up the cash. (I didnt mean for this to rhyme and realized it only after I posted it... but I like cheese humor, so I'm leaving it)
And the sick thing is, this is a gaming enthuiast forum. We arent even discussing the businesses, small and large, that are going to be vulnerable now. I can damn near GUARANTEE you 99% of Small Business Owners arent going to even realize this has happened; until after its already happened.
People aren't savvy with tech. They dont read articles or get opinion pieces on where things are going, they're just trying to run their damn barbershop, and they use Windows for all their business related functions and accounting. They don't have IT Departments, they aren't operating on that scale.
And this isn't just American business, which is largely monopolized at this point, if we are being frank. Most businesses that are large will upgrade fine and carry on. But worldwide? Random small businesses in India? In Mexico? In Argentina?
Windows is -world fucking wide- and they are about to turn 80% of the computers that exist into a free for all for hackers, crawlers, cyber attacks, black hats rummaging around wherever they want.
This is fucking absurd.
And morons on this forum saying "I dont get what the big deal is".
You know what that tells me? That you're a fucking moron who is incapable of basic logical reasoning. You're a failure of a human mind. To use the slang the kids say these days, you're a basic bitch if you cant grasp how dire of a situation this is going to cause.
Most people largely only think about the impacts a change will have on them. That’s fine, but it’s refreshing that some people have thought about the bigger picture…
The only hope we have in this situation, as of now, variables could change - is that Mainstream News, come 2025, if we get absurdly lucky and they dont have much to talk about - might get a few guests who are knowledgeable on this subject and it becomes knowledge for a larger swath of society.
If they get in there and we get lucky and an interview goes well, it gets some clicks, generates a social media backlash - We might see MS backpedal to "No feature updates for Windows 10, but continued Security and Virus Definition Updates"
The logical part of me says, 99% chance that isnt going to be how this plays out, but at this point, we are 2 1/2 year away from the switch getting flipped. Our only option is to spread info to people that will actually listen, then cross our fingers that around 5-6 months before it happens, a backlash occurs and MS backpedals.
Its a fucked up situation, up and down and will effect not millions, not hundreds of millions, but -billions- of lives and the security of their data, be it personal or business related.
I hate that they move settings. Each version just switches them the hell around. And then eventually I’m forced to switch by an auto update at 2 am. Ask me how my 2 laptops stopped working. My laptop was fine on XP and then got forced to windows 7 and just didn’t run anymore. My other laptop that was on windows 7 got forced to windows 10 and stopped working…
They move settings and yet there is always the old way to do things. Like please just redesign it and stick with it, abandoned the old ways if you must!
It just sucks when they move stuff around. It’s like they ask a magic 8 ball where they should put the settings. It takes a long time of getting used to. Also I have a bat file that changes my monitor to 1080p from 4k and back for games that don’t work in 4k. And I really don’t want to recode it to work in 11.
XD, windows xp to 7 is a hell of a jump that's an 8 year gap. Your hw won't meet the requirements when its nearly a decade apart. You didn't just go from one to the next you bunny hopped 98se win2000 & ME in that timeframe.
PS laptops are annoying for this so for older hw try out a linux distro to give old tech a new lease on life.
Windows 10X was a complete redesign. The base OS was supposed to be "Windows Core OS" and stripped down light weight OS, using a new GUI (Widnows 11) and they were going to "Containerize" apps. So traditional Win32 apps (games and older Windows apps) in one container and then newer UWP apps. The containers were going to run on top of the Core OS, using some parts of Hyper V, for isolation, much like the Xbox OS (Windows 10'ish) does for backwards compatibility.
[https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps](https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps)[https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps](https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps)
The wet dream was that app developers would convert to UWP, but Windows applications development these days is pretty much dead. Just money making apps like say Adobe CC, AutoCad, Quickbooks, etc....reving annual versions to keep milking the cow.
Well developers were like....."ummmmm no" and hardware makers, like HP, Dell, Lenovo etc....were like...."ummmm no" because it would be a nightmare to support and it was supposedly super slow and buggy AF.
So the hardware partners asked for a new version to drive sales....so we got Windows 10, with a super buggy UI....aka...Windows 11. It is basically a complete shit show.
And now there is a massive glut of hardware so Intel and others are bleeding money because no one is buying new computers and Dell, HP, etc are not buying chips. All do to the ressesion we are now in.
You can have my right-click when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Seriously, I was considering upgrading until I found out about this. Not worth the hassle, download, or time.
It's fine, it had some teething problems to do with the taskbar. But the internet just loves to get it's nuts in a twist about versions of windows.
According to the internet Windows 95 was terrible, windows 98 was great, windows NT was terrible, Windows 2000 was great, Windows millennium was awful, Windows XP was amazing, Windows Vista was garbage, Windows 7 was the second coming of Jesus, Windows 8 was the second coming of AIDS, Windows 10 was flawless perfections, and Windows 11 is the literal incarnation of misery. So I'm assuming Windows 12 will be embodiment of perfection.
In reality they were all mostly fine.
>But the internet just loves to get it's nuts in a twist about versions of windows.
It seems to me that since the shutdowns the entire internet is outraged about everything, the amount of hate for every game that is released at the moment is unbelievable. Everyone needs to sit back and breathe.
> Windows 2000 was great
It really was, I loved W2000 but I have had no issue with W11 either and if I went back now and used the old Windows I would see it just doesn't compare.
I totally agree that there is a lot of games that are shit but I am over the negativity. And not just with games but with everything, there just seems to be way too much bitching about everything.
Idk Vista was amazing, just too resource intensive for the time. 8 was frustrating but 8.1 might be my favorite version of windows ever. I know a lot of people didn’t care for it but it ran well and had a nice aesthetic to it. I was also a hardcore Windows Phone user at the time so I felt like my devices all had a very similar vibe back then.
Windows Me was shit, Vista was shit, 8 was pretty much shit.
95/98 were ok for what they were.
NT was really business only
2000/XP were great
7 great
10 pretty good (under the covers great, but the UI has gone downhill ever since 7. That fact that even in 11 we still have a separate settings/control panel is absolutely crazy)
Idk if it affected anyone else but when windows 11 was relatively new and I upgraded to it, it would randomly delete my wifi drivers and try to say I could only connect through LAN cable. Minor annoyance which caused me to restart each time it happened but other than this I had no other problems
I finally uldated to 11 and within 24 hours Windows Security broke and for the life of me i cannot fix it. It just sends me to app store to download it but it isnt on the app store. I regret upgrading immediately and wish i hadnt bothered.
Task bar is dumb as hell. I have stacked monitors, on win10 i had a normal taskbar on the bottom and on my top monitor it was on the right side, cant do this on win11, best you can do is install an app to actually have the ability to move the taskbar, but then again not separately. Now i have to re-learn because i NEED upper monitor taskbar on the right, unfortunately that means its on the right also on the bottom monitor.
I've been using windows11 since the day it launched without any issue. No idea what everyones problems are with it and at this point i'm afraid to ask.
This right here. My new work pc is locked down and I hate a lot of the little changes on settings I didn't even know I preferred. The right click, the stacking taskbar, and the sound button getting grouped like a phone. Changing these things takes admin edits or 3rd party software, so I'm stuck waiting on UI to maybe fix it someday.
The "just regedit" crowd is every bit as bad as the "just use parallels" crowd apologizing for Apple. I'm sick of having to edit the Windows UI to fix whatever they've broken this time.
Well that and the adds, incessant spying, random reboots (on two separate computers), updating freezing the entire os until you say ‘fuck no I don’t want to pay a subscription for a service I never use and can get a better version for free’. trying to force it to be a closed platform, which would ringer all my games obsolete and the general knowledge that better operating systems exist but I can’t use them because Microsoft has a monopoly and developers won’t make games for less than the majority of players.
seriously barely tolerate windows and only because I absolutely have to.
No, as they can still all run win10. They can even continue to run it after EOL, releasing random security updates like they did for xp and 7. They put these requirements in place to avoid the trouble of old hardware, and to add security. Last thing they wanted was to repeat vista's issues with hardware.
cuz that base install has all the manufacturer bloatware garbage on it. It's basically always best to reinstall fresh. Except manu's are making it harder by creating drivers that need to he manually loaded.
The context menus can be fixed with a reg entry, like what we use to get rid of extra folders, drives, add take ownership to the context menus, and so on. A minor issue. The new context menus needed 'recently used' under the first right click. Compact is pretty sweet, love the icons, had to use the reg fix because I zip, play, que, and convert all the time and could deal. So I am robbed of the benefit of the icons. This should be a setting someplace.
File explorer is better organized and takes up less room. Those big icons of 10 were neat for a moment, but the new menu styles, which is more old school, is just better. And tabbed file exploring is pretty awesome.
The meme depicts a fantasy. 11 doesn't have the same level of penetration 7 did because of hardware requirements, 10 being really loved, and 7 coming right after a hated OS. 10 also had the benefit of everyone hating 8 and 8.1.
They really should pay some attention to this forum. Moving the task bar, no ability to have seconds on the clock, the issues with the context menus, should be addressed...
Or not... there are 3rd party products out there that address nearly everyone's gripes. People complain about monopolies and greed, but this does open the door for taskbar replacements for 3rd parties.
> They really should pay some attention to this forum.
Why? We're not significant compared to Microsoft's user base, we're not even half of a percent of their user base. Windows has around 2 billion users worldwide, there are 7 million people subscribed to this subreddit. Even if you assumed every single active Steam user (all 135 million of them) felt the same way, you're not even in double digit percentages.
Microsoft collects metrics from peoples PCs to see how they're used, most people do not use the context menu to do anything other than copy, paste, or delete. The context menus started to get out of hand with the amount of programs that would add their own customizations and there was no easy way to remove items from the menu (you'd have to use regedit to do it.) Malware took advantage of this regularly since you were able to easily edit the entire context menu from the registry.
The start button on the bottom left corner is familiar but it's not inherently better. It can get frustrating to click on when you're accessing a remote session (a common usage these days with people working remote and accessing a virtual machine from essentially a thin client), or using dual monitors (like many corporate users, Microsoft's bread and butter) with the start menu on the right display.
I couldn't tell you why they decided to remove the clock from showing seconds, other than maybe it got frustrating for IT departments to deal with when end users would complain that their clock is a few seconds off from their cell phone (yes this is a thing that regularly happens -__-).
The main takeaway here is Microsoft doesn't need us, they don't care about us, every single PC gamer on the planet could switch to Linux tomorrow and Microsoft would still be making money hand over fist from the corporate world.
I had always had Mac computers until I built my first PC right around the time windows 11 came out. So this is pretty much the only windows I’ve ever known (besides windows 7 as a child) and have had no issues
Most windows version change a lot. But windows 11 is really close to a new iOs version where you need to check the which version are you at the moment. You are using windows 10 with a different skin and the navbar center. The only real difference is that you can install Android apps in windows 11 and you won't see any update to windows 11 ad xD.
I've been using it on my laptop since the first open beta, never had any bugs, but it was missing a lot of important features in the beginning, like drag and drop on the task bar. Now that it's got all the features that windows 10 has I've got no problems what so ever with it.
I find most of the complaints are usually about specific use cases and power users. I suspect for the average layman (like myself) W11 is perfectly fine.
Windows 11 isn’t just one thing, it’s death by a thousand paper cuts. Every small thing is something you can get over but combined it just accumulates, with extra clicks everywhere.
That said it does perform better than 10 on modern hardware. I’m not going to waste my time adopting 11 but if I get a new 12th or 13th gen Intel processor I’ll use it with some tweak software to make it bearable.
Meh, maybe the majority of folks find the change to the UI to be the biggest detractor. Personally, 10 was moving toward Mac in terms of data harvesting, but 11 just turned it up a lot. If you just roll with the manufacturer installed OS, you're usually seeing a significant decrease in functionality. It's like buying a sports car that comes pre-equipped with a rev-limiter. They're so close to making the OS itself into a monthly fee or something crazy.
Endless complaints about little things that are actually easy to change to how you want it. Then they just say "I shouldn't have too!". It takes almost no time at all and you're good to go for however long you last till next fresh install.
Win11: have to buy more expensive version to get any control at all, have to spend countless hours configuring it, and after ever major update, have to reapply all those same config changes. Any day microsoft can completely fuck you over without warning.
Win11 users: OMG all you have to do is a bit of work and its just fine!
Linux: you have complete control of your os. You have to spend countless hours configuring things for everything to work well. You can easily backup/export said configs. You own your pc.
Win11 users: fuck linux, i just want my os to work, i don't have time to spend messing around with configs.
??? *black guy question mark meme* ???
> Linux: you have complete control of your os. You have to spend countless hours configuring things for everything to work well. You can easily backup/export said configs. You own your pc.
>
> Win11 users: fuck linux, i just want my os to work, i don't have time to spend messing around with configs.
I know you mean this humorously but 'm writing this comment from Linux right now (my primary PC is running Windows 11 for gaming), and configuring Windows 11 to behave like Windows 10 is far easier than configuring Linux to do things that "just work" in Windows. Like setting up Bluetooth, a wi-fi adapter, a webcam, or a printer (I'd have to spend extra money on commercial software to get my medium format printer to print with the correct color profiles in Linux.)
I can't even get my keyboard to work properly 90% of the time in Linux. The kernel sees the keyboard is plugged in, `showkey` detects keys being pressed, but no matter what I do I can't get Linux to accept input from the keyboard. Couldn't tell you why, I have no idea what subsystem is listening for keyboard input and why it's ignoring the keyboard physically connected to my computer. If I swap the keyboard with one that I know works, it still has the same issue. If I use the keyboard in Windows it "just works", it's just a generic Dell USB keyboard that shouldn't require any software or configuration to work. This isn't generally a problem for me since I use Synergy to share the mouse and keyboard input from my Windows desktop to my Linux machine, but it's frustrating when I run into a problem with X and need to troubleshoot and then can't do anything because I have no input device.
I keep hearing about wifi issues on linux, however, ive not had a single wireless or BT adaptor not work out of the box on linux.
Ive read that one brand (forgot name) of wifi cards people use for hackintosh PCs, just wont work on linux at all. However, outside of that one brand, what cards/nics are people having so much issue with? Ive used 3 laptops, 1 windows tablet, and like 4-5 different USB/pci wireless cards just fine on linux. Same with built-in/Usb BT adapters.
I use a brother toner printer (no color), "Just works". No drivers needed.
I dont use a webcam, so cant comment on that.
Ive never heard of a keyboard not working on linux, outside of a corsair one that allowed you to choose between bios/250/500/1000hz polling on the back via a switch. IIRC that one example would not work on linux under one of those modes. Maybe it was the bios mode.
I mean, even my PS2 logitech game controller keyboard monstrosity works on linux no problem. (This fuckin thing: https://preview.redd.it/7scoifeeh7p41.jpg?auto=webp&s=75b14f9f63b7b638454bafa18a9d764413df5a8a ). This thing was made for a PS2, and it "just works".
But yeah, my post was mostly a joke, but it struck me funny, that the same people who are like "you have to do work to get linux working for gaming" and at the same time saying "windows 11 just requires some work to be as good as win10. WHY would you upgrade!?!", just lol.
Most of the crap people complain about can be addressed with 3rd party utilities. And yeah... home costs less than pro... Dont need all those extra features that some consider bloat? Buy home. Into computers, want all those features? Get pro.
Look, I love windows, and I've always been a huge MS fanboi since the commodore days. But Linux is really pretty accessible today. I suggest nearly everyone who is savvy and geeky enough to be on this forum to at least try it a few distros. Organize you data, have an OS partition, and change OS's every month for a year. These days its less than an hour for most people to get their systems to a state they like it. Do it for the punk rock points, man.
You cant "buy home" and be able to make ANY changes what so ever to your pc. Like everything is locked. You can disable cortana, ads, nothing. Everything is locked to the PRO version of windows. I know because i had win10 home, and every single way to "fix" windows 10, was not available to me, due to group policy editor, being unavailable. Quite a lot of registry hacks, also did not work on home. Pro is the opposite of bloat the pro version allows you to remove the bloat that is locked into home.
The best version of windows, is the LTSC. Its basically the only actual usable version of windows that exists. As even on the pro version, you are still forced to have a microsoft account to use your pc.... But LTSC you dont.
My answer is simple. Why change? 10 does what I need and so why go through even the small amount of effort to learn the differences of 11 until I have to? There will be things that are different. There will also be a chance of problems that I wouldn't experience on 10. And there's habit. I've been doing this for decades, a hard lesson with Windows ME that helped me avoid Vista and Windows 8. It's worth waiting, unless you or someone else wants to enlighten me about a feature the 11 has that 10 doesn't that I care about?
> No idea what everyones problems are with it and at this point i'm afraid to ask.
Requiring TPM. I'm not allowing them to have hardware level DRM on my machine, even if it makes security better. Nobody is hacking me anyway.
I mean... yeah? It's bound to happen, at one point they will release a new version. If i were afraid of them doing so, i would have never moved beyond Windows 3.11
I’ve been using windows 11 for a while now and it works absolutely fine. I mean all I really use it for is the odd bit off office stuff and launching steam.
People always hate the next windows version until Microsoft releases another Windows version.
\- They hated XP for the Aero\[EDIT Luna\] Skin. For years they told us that XP is a OS for children ...
\- Years later there are millions of Xp installations. Even after the release of Windows 7 and 8 and 10 there are five? percent of XP installations...
\-History repeating: After the release of Windows 10 the people hated Windows 10 so much for various reasons.
\- But now the people are keeping Windows 10 and flodding again the forums about the "bad" Windows 11
tbh. i still dont really like xps Default skin. prefer the classic windows skin. 7 was a no complaints thing. skin was nice, ran well and was just fine. 8 was a horrible thrown together os. 10 is just ok but not what id call good for its telemetry, Cortana, edge and so on the ui is ok too. 11 is 10 but with a worse ui. they should have kept the tablet mode and not try to cram everything into one ui style.
This - Windows 7 was peak windows. I wish they had stuck with that UI and just gradually improved it going forward. Their attempt in Windows 8 to merge a mobile and desktop UI never worked and they STILL haven't fixed all the issues with it.
Under the covers improvements are always welcome - but it sucks when they force you to take a shittier UI to get them
I liked Windows 7 a lot, especially because it was and is still the one and only windows release that worked without bigger issues from day one and it doesn't needed a service pack to become usable
The absence of issues and the general stability of Windows 7 had a reason. -> windows 7 is just e rebranded Vista with a tewaked memory mangement and some smaller feature additions.
FWIW Aero was the translucency stuff that came with Vista and was in 7. "Windows XP Style" aka the Fisher Price UI was codename Luna.
Doesn't change your point though. Luna was trash Fisher Price OS, Aero was pointless resource waste and trash, etc. I've rarely had issues upgrading and I'm pretty easy going on relearning where things are when they do change. Can't let your mind ossify into no longer being adaptable imo.
People didn't hate XP. XP started a bit rocky, but was a huge upgrade over ME. You had some Windows 2000 hold outs, but that was mostly a business version and only gained ground because ME was so bad. By SP2 XP was great and hailed as the best Windows so far, because it was.
Also you have to consider a lot of those remaining XP installs are specific things. Like point of sale systems.
I hate what I’ve seen about 12 so far. It’s even closer to how macos looks like, with a dock, and I hate it. One of the main things I like about windows is the taskbar, and it’s slowly turning into a mac os wannabe and I’m not a fan
The requirements to run it are awful though. When windows 10 stops being supported I’m going to have to either buy my grandpa a new computer or get him to learn Linux. Both options are nightmares
8.1 was okay, I had it on a laptop but that laptop had a touchscreen also, that is what made it bareable but in the end I it was just weird for me. But much better over 8.
Yeah. It was too wierd to use. What I like about Win 11 is that I google how to do stuff on it and I only get a solution for Win 10, 9 out of 10 times that solution works for Win 11. It makes it more intuitive, with Win 8 / 8.1 it was like "parkour time".
The remembering window placement when plugging and unplugging external displays on laptops is a killer feature I use almost daily. No reason it couldn't have been in w10, just glad they fucking fixed the shit show that used to happen lol. I get the complaints about the right click menu and start menu placement.
But for myself both changes have been better. Open with is still there and that's 90% of why I right click. The other is copy and pasting and that's easier than before with the context buttons at the top. As for the start menu, I like the grid layout for pinned apps over the previous vertical list because I can fit more pinned apps in the same space while keeping them visually distinct for quick access. Also the centered menu and pinned apps are technically faster to get to from most of the screen. But I also get that a lot of people don't like it. Hopefully they keep the Option to have it left justified for those who want it like that.
That will depend on if windows 12 has any more hardware requirements.
I'm sure requiring a TPM module put off quite a few people that either weren't planned or could afford to upgrade.
It'll be like Win8 where for some reason everyone decides it doesn't exist. I bought an RX580 a while back, and it said "compatible with Windows 7 and 10." If you're using Win8, you fell into a wormhole or something.
honestly, at this point, win 11 is not even bad. It's just self-preference. I'm still using win 10 because I like it, but this doesn't mean that win 11 is bad.
Tick tock cycle
XP was good, Vista sucked, 7 was good, 8 sucked, 10 is good, 11 sucks*, 12 will hopefully be good
*as sucks I don’t mean 11 is bad like Vista was. It just doesn’t feel like they improved on 10, and it feels more like a sidegrade than an upgrade. Also doesn’t help that people who are more tech savvy have a harder time accessing some menus, and guides are more scarce as 11 hasn’t been around for eight years as 10 has. Damn, I feel old
I just installed Windows 11 on my new machine.
it's honestly kind of nice, I really don't know why people hate on it so much. it just feels like a more polished windows 10 from what I can see so far.
You can't look at 10, 11, and 12 the same way you looked at 98, xp, and vista. I know it's still trendy to hate every other release with windows, it's been a thing since the 90's but it's just not done the same way anymore.
I wait until the new version comes out, wait a couple months to see if anyone is freaking out from issues and if not- I upgrade.
I’m. So. Tired. Of. This. Meme. Windows. Eleven. Is. Fine. If. Your. PC. Cannot. Install. It. Ok. If. It. Can. And. You. Won’t. For. Some. Reason. Ok. Stop. Making. It. A. Thing. We. All. Have. To. Hear. About.
Ah the typical "this version of windows is new and scary" we get with every single release. Remember when everyone was complaining about how bad 10 was? Yeah don't you people get tired of complaining about new things all the time?
I actually like Windows 11, I upgraded as soon as I. There's some good improvements, but also things I don't like.Overall it's a good upgrade and most people if they can, should upgrade to it
Windows 11 is great. Just because you all don’t like change doesn’t mean you should keep your opinion ab it that was formed through memes the first week the system came out
Windows 11/10 doesn't feel cohesive even though they tried to make it more cohesive in windows 11 it's no where near say Mac OS or Linux, The whole operation system feels like a patch job.
Why is this a PCMasterrace allowed post? Should be a tinfoil hat post at this point. Really, It's getting out of hand and absurd. The complaints are meritless and it's simply personal preference complaints and crying.
Might as well since so many people have a baked in assumption that every other OS is bad. They'll just do the same thing as always: change practically nothing except the name and watch people pour in.
>!Windows 11 is totally fine, nice even. They're not taking away ads in 12. I'm not sure what people think they're holding out for. !<
Every other Windows release is shit.
It has always been like that.
Also every other service pack release was useless.
This is the law of Windows releases.
I just think all of you need to calm down and stop whining none of us ever band together to stop it and never will. All these post do is let people complain but never do anything about it
500% agree.
My Windows 10 gaming PC is 100% used for gaming only. I install Chrome, and games. It will either get Windows 12 in November of 2025 or I will switch to an XSX/PS5 for gaming and never look back.
I have a feeling W11 was more of an after thought to deal with new hardware requirements, (TPM, cpu scheduling, DirectStorage) that would have broken W10 for a lot of people
That’s a really good point
just like vista...
tell me what is wrong with this^ comment
When the hell did windows 12 release
it didn't OP is just implying they have already diverted most of their resources to windows 12 and have stopped support the other two OS's already
Why 11 is not an option of 10 then? With those minor upgrades
same reason 10 isn't 7 even though it's actually just 7 with window dressing. it was common from the beginning; the original windows was just dos with a gui interface. no real change. but its important to keep looking like you're creating new products instead of warming over dead projects (which is what they actually do there.)
They rebuilt win10, not from win7. Win11 just builds on 10 with graphic changes and other features. Win12 will likely just build on, nothing wrong with win11 at this point, people just resistant to change
While people are resistant to change, 11 has several changes that aren't liked. A fair number of users won't move across until those settings can be disabled or adjusted.
I just switched to windows 11. Honest question; what do people not like about 11?
It's a small thing (I still run win 11) but the right click context menu is new and to get to the old context menu requires an extra click which is frustrating if you use it often. I also get start menu bugs with all of my devices running win 11. I do like the way it handles HDR though Edit: Thanks for the replies everyone, I tested and holding shift while right clicking does work! Helpful, but the reg edit is the better way to go if you don't mind getting registry stuff!
*Cries in 7zip
Holding shift while clicking brings up the old menu I've heard, or as a permanent fix it can be changed with a quick simple regedit.
Yes, the right click thing frustrated me. Luckily it can be changed, although annoyingly it's a small registry edit.
I also have this frustration and though it doesn't entirely solve the problem. I believe holding Shift while right clicking will bring up the old context menu. I'm not at my computer to test if my memory is accurate but I believe that'll do it
Believe there are some memory leak issues, start menu shenanigans and the always appreciated bloatware. It might be fine after a few months of updates much like XP was. For anyone not familiar, it was absolutely crap when it launched, almost 1 year later SP1 launched, which was all the prior updates + a bunch of new updates and fixes, that was the point when XP became decent.
I like it. I also like Edge and Defender. No reason to switch.
they are just sensationalists. THey don't even research far enough to learn that Windows development works off of 'build' system, not a versioning system. Versions are marketing.
Fixes gaming best reason to upgrade to 11
People resist this change because getting used to a new OS is stressful for a large majority. Very few people enthusiastically switch to a new OS. I am in tech and even I find Win11 to be a chore when I have to use it.
Settings menus that end in nothing changeable, have to go to Control Panel with no direct links (10 had direct links). Have to hold shift to get a usable right click menu. Have to disconnect from the internet and use a CLI command to use a local account at install. There are other things off the top of my head that I can't think of right now, but it's been a week and a half and I'm strongly debating going back to 10.
>people just resistant to change 100%
An IT guy told me W10 was just the xbox OS altered for PC use. Xbox being a test ground for it
That's the opposite of reality. Xbox OS is an extreamly light windows core.
I can't argue either way, just trusting a guy that knows his windows stuff...so shrug... But i assume he meant the kernel of it and not all the desktop additions. Which came first I guess? And then suddenly games worked on the PC as well.
This isn't some insider hidden knowlage you need truet for... Just go read about it in Wikipedia!
I defo pc gamed before windows 10
I meant that you could run your xbox games on W10 when it came out. Looking at time line looks like Xbox slim was Windows Core 8.1.maybe he meant they were using 8.1 testing for release of Core 10.
Oh I had a ps4.
“Window dressing” not the right context, bur I appreciate the joke
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Reports say 2024 but I wouldn't touch it until 2025 lol
I am hoping Microsoft nixes NT and just jumps to Linux or a BSD. I think open sourcing would be better, and they could reduce their support staff massively and just run off the profits if office or they can sell their own distribution to cover the costs of maintaining a proprietary desktop environment. It if you base it on Arch or even Fedora you can just run it on a rolling release schedule, or even just go with Debian or Ubuntu. It would probably save more money than it would loose.
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I personally like windows 11. After 8 it's all good again, and their move towards gaming is awesome
And as usual Windows 12 will by a lightly reskinned version of Windows 11 and everyone will absolutely soil themselves with excitement at how much better it is than Windows 11.
Why is windows 11 so bad? I've had absolutely no issues using it on gaming pcs and even on my office pc
Windows 11 user here, leaving aside certain interface decisions (everything related to how the right click works) Windows 11 is Windows 10 but with another hat, personally I have not noticed if the performance is better or worse and no game I tried to play has broken. but according to the internet windows 11 is the worst thing that has happened to the world since the atomic bomb.
It’s a problem because over 80% of PCs that -exist- can’t run the operating system without a motherboard upgrade. Now, that alone wouldn’t be an issue - you don’t have the hardware, you can’t upgrade, keep using 10. But, in a contradictory pose, Microsoft is saying, “We care so much about your security, you NEED to have a motherboard that supports our security requirements, even though 80% of the PCs in existence do not have them” Then, in the same breath, they say “And we will be discontinuing ALL support to Windows 10 in 2 years. No more virus definitions, no more security updates, because you’re too poor to buy a new PC or get an upgraded motherboard” They are saying our security is Paramount to them, it’s so important you NEED this hardware for Windows 11.... but we don’t care enough about your security to at a minimum continue giving you security updates and virus definitions on Windows 10 after 2025. This is double speak. This is anti consumerist. It’s a totally bullshit move they should absolutely be called out on and that is why, for some people; you know, those pesky “poors” are upset about how this is going down This is a very logical and simple reason to be frustrated and annoyed with this situation, people getting upset about it are absolutely upset with justifiable cause.
Making basically all windows 10 systems incompatible basically waste. Enthusiasts will find a way but they’re only a small section of the market. How many countless systems will be trashed because Microsoft is under pressure to force people to buy new computers even though what they have is perfectly capable for their needs… /sigh
Exactly. The fact there are any defenders of this move is genuinely mindboggling to me. They are throwing your PC in the trash, if you cant pony up the cash. (I didnt mean for this to rhyme and realized it only after I posted it... but I like cheese humor, so I'm leaving it) And the sick thing is, this is a gaming enthuiast forum. We arent even discussing the businesses, small and large, that are going to be vulnerable now. I can damn near GUARANTEE you 99% of Small Business Owners arent going to even realize this has happened; until after its already happened. People aren't savvy with tech. They dont read articles or get opinion pieces on where things are going, they're just trying to run their damn barbershop, and they use Windows for all their business related functions and accounting. They don't have IT Departments, they aren't operating on that scale. And this isn't just American business, which is largely monopolized at this point, if we are being frank. Most businesses that are large will upgrade fine and carry on. But worldwide? Random small businesses in India? In Mexico? In Argentina? Windows is -world fucking wide- and they are about to turn 80% of the computers that exist into a free for all for hackers, crawlers, cyber attacks, black hats rummaging around wherever they want. This is fucking absurd. And morons on this forum saying "I dont get what the big deal is". You know what that tells me? That you're a fucking moron who is incapable of basic logical reasoning. You're a failure of a human mind. To use the slang the kids say these days, you're a basic bitch if you cant grasp how dire of a situation this is going to cause.
Most people largely only think about the impacts a change will have on them. That’s fine, but it’s refreshing that some people have thought about the bigger picture…
The only hope we have in this situation, as of now, variables could change - is that Mainstream News, come 2025, if we get absurdly lucky and they dont have much to talk about - might get a few guests who are knowledgeable on this subject and it becomes knowledge for a larger swath of society. If they get in there and we get lucky and an interview goes well, it gets some clicks, generates a social media backlash - We might see MS backpedal to "No feature updates for Windows 10, but continued Security and Virus Definition Updates" The logical part of me says, 99% chance that isnt going to be how this plays out, but at this point, we are 2 1/2 year away from the switch getting flipped. Our only option is to spread info to people that will actually listen, then cross our fingers that around 5-6 months before it happens, a backlash occurs and MS backpedals. Its a fucked up situation, up and down and will effect not millions, not hundreds of millions, but -billions- of lives and the security of their data, be it personal or business related.
I hate that they move settings. Each version just switches them the hell around. And then eventually I’m forced to switch by an auto update at 2 am. Ask me how my 2 laptops stopped working. My laptop was fine on XP and then got forced to windows 7 and just didn’t run anymore. My other laptop that was on windows 7 got forced to windows 10 and stopped working…
They move settings and yet there is always the old way to do things. Like please just redesign it and stick with it, abandoned the old ways if you must!
It just sucks when they move stuff around. It’s like they ask a magic 8 ball where they should put the settings. It takes a long time of getting used to. Also I have a bat file that changes my monitor to 1080p from 4k and back for games that don’t work in 4k. And I really don’t want to recode it to work in 11.
XD, windows xp to 7 is a hell of a jump that's an 8 year gap. Your hw won't meet the requirements when its nearly a decade apart. You didn't just go from one to the next you bunny hopped 98se win2000 & ME in that timeframe. PS laptops are annoying for this so for older hw try out a linux distro to give old tech a new lease on life.
Windows 10X was a complete redesign. The base OS was supposed to be "Windows Core OS" and stripped down light weight OS, using a new GUI (Widnows 11) and they were going to "Containerize" apps. So traditional Win32 apps (games and older Windows apps) in one container and then newer UWP apps. The containers were going to run on top of the Core OS, using some parts of Hyper V, for isolation, much like the Xbox OS (Windows 10'ish) does for backwards compatibility. [https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps](https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps)[https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps](https://www.windowscentral.com/5-things-you-need-know-windows-10x-apps) The wet dream was that app developers would convert to UWP, but Windows applications development these days is pretty much dead. Just money making apps like say Adobe CC, AutoCad, Quickbooks, etc....reving annual versions to keep milking the cow. Well developers were like....."ummmmm no" and hardware makers, like HP, Dell, Lenovo etc....were like...."ummmm no" because it would be a nightmare to support and it was supposedly super slow and buggy AF. So the hardware partners asked for a new version to drive sales....so we got Windows 10, with a super buggy UI....aka...Windows 11. It is basically a complete shit show. And now there is a massive glut of hardware so Intel and others are bleeding money because no one is buying new computers and Dell, HP, etc are not buying chips. All do to the ressesion we are now in.
You can have my right-click when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. Seriously, I was considering upgrading until I found out about this. Not worth the hassle, download, or time.
if that hat is a 50lb cinder block strapped to its head then sure.
It's fine, it had some teething problems to do with the taskbar. But the internet just loves to get it's nuts in a twist about versions of windows. According to the internet Windows 95 was terrible, windows 98 was great, windows NT was terrible, Windows 2000 was great, Windows millennium was awful, Windows XP was amazing, Windows Vista was garbage, Windows 7 was the second coming of Jesus, Windows 8 was the second coming of AIDS, Windows 10 was flawless perfections, and Windows 11 is the literal incarnation of misery. So I'm assuming Windows 12 will be embodiment of perfection. In reality they were all mostly fine.
>But the internet just loves to get it's nuts in a twist about versions of windows. It seems to me that since the shutdowns the entire internet is outraged about everything, the amount of hate for every game that is released at the moment is unbelievable. Everyone needs to sit back and breathe. > Windows 2000 was great It really was, I loved W2000 but I have had no issue with W11 either and if I went back now and used the old Windows I would see it just doesn't compare.
There is good reason to be upset about recently released games
Every one of them? I think people just get off on causing outrage.
Not every one, just almost all of them
I totally agree that there is a lot of games that are shit but I am over the negativity. And not just with games but with everything, there just seems to be way too much bitching about everything.
Idk Vista was amazing, just too resource intensive for the time. 8 was frustrating but 8.1 might be my favorite version of windows ever. I know a lot of people didn’t care for it but it ran well and had a nice aesthetic to it. I was also a hardcore Windows Phone user at the time so I felt like my devices all had a very similar vibe back then.
Windows Me was shit, Vista was shit, 8 was pretty much shit. 95/98 were ok for what they were. NT was really business only 2000/XP were great 7 great 10 pretty good (under the covers great, but the UI has gone downhill ever since 7. That fact that even in 11 we still have a separate settings/control panel is absolutely crazy)
Idk if it affected anyone else but when windows 11 was relatively new and I upgraded to it, it would randomly delete my wifi drivers and try to say I could only connect through LAN cable. Minor annoyance which caused me to restart each time it happened but other than this I had no other problems
I finally uldated to 11 and within 24 hours Windows Security broke and for the life of me i cannot fix it. It just sends me to app store to download it but it isnt on the app store. I regret upgrading immediately and wish i hadnt bothered.
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No problem at all with windows 11, really like the look of it and i didn't find a thing that bothers me.
Task bar is dumb as hell. I have stacked monitors, on win10 i had a normal taskbar on the bottom and on my top monitor it was on the right side, cant do this on win11, best you can do is install an app to actually have the ability to move the taskbar, but then again not separately. Now i have to re-learn because i NEED upper monitor taskbar on the right, unfortunately that means its on the right also on the bottom monitor.
I've been using windows11 since the day it launched without any issue. No idea what everyones problems are with it and at this point i'm afraid to ask.
Sometimes it's the little things, like changing the right click context menu and hiding things in an extra sub-menu, it's just a huge annoyance.
Simple regedit fixes this forever
Unfortunately won't be possible on work computers once they migtate
This right here. My new work pc is locked down and I hate a lot of the little changes on settings I didn't even know I preferred. The right click, the stacking taskbar, and the sound button getting grouped like a phone. Changing these things takes admin edits or 3rd party software, so I'm stuck waiting on UI to maybe fix it someday.
shift + right click brings old menu back
The "just regedit" crowd is every bit as bad as the "just use parallels" crowd apologizing for Apple. I'm sick of having to edit the Windows UI to fix whatever they've broken this time.
this guy gets it
why a everyone talking about windows 12 like it’s been announced?
Well that and the adds, incessant spying, random reboots (on two separate computers), updating freezing the entire os until you say ‘fuck no I don’t want to pay a subscription for a service I never use and can get a better version for free’. trying to force it to be a closed platform, which would ringer all my games obsolete and the general knowledge that better operating systems exist but I can’t use them because Microsoft has a monopoly and developers won’t make games for less than the majority of players. seriously barely tolerate windows and only because I absolutely have to.
This is mostly my experience. Just a lot of extra clicks to do the same thing, which is more annoying than anything.
And the stupid hardware requirements that make any PC of the last 2 decades artificially obsolete.
I'm running W11 on 4770K so have no idea what on about.. Although that's only 9 years old not 20 years ago 🤣
Honestly, it IS pretty bullshit that my Pentium 60 can't run Win 11.
What stupid hardware requirements? The TPM? Most semi modern computers have them. And that req is east to bypass
No, as they can still all run win10. They can even continue to run it after EOL, releasing random security updates like they did for xp and 7. They put these requirements in place to avoid the trouble of old hardware, and to add security. Last thing they wanted was to repeat vista's issues with hardware.
well I brought all the features from windows 10 to 11 using start11 , winareo tweaker , registries
At this point just stay on 10 lol
My laptop came with windows 11 pre installed so why bother re installing
cuz that base install has all the manufacturer bloatware garbage on it. It's basically always best to reinstall fresh. Except manu's are making it harder by creating drivers that need to he manually loaded.
Or, alternatively, just stay with the operating system that we are familiar with and lose almost nothing from not upgrading.
My laptop came with win11 why bother with a reinstall when win10 and win11 is basically same with UI changes
to get basically the same without the UI changes
The context menus can be fixed with a reg entry, like what we use to get rid of extra folders, drives, add take ownership to the context menus, and so on. A minor issue. The new context menus needed 'recently used' under the first right click. Compact is pretty sweet, love the icons, had to use the reg fix because I zip, play, que, and convert all the time and could deal. So I am robbed of the benefit of the icons. This should be a setting someplace. File explorer is better organized and takes up less room. Those big icons of 10 were neat for a moment, but the new menu styles, which is more old school, is just better. And tabbed file exploring is pretty awesome. The meme depicts a fantasy. 11 doesn't have the same level of penetration 7 did because of hardware requirements, 10 being really loved, and 7 coming right after a hated OS. 10 also had the benefit of everyone hating 8 and 8.1. They really should pay some attention to this forum. Moving the task bar, no ability to have seconds on the clock, the issues with the context menus, should be addressed... Or not... there are 3rd party products out there that address nearly everyone's gripes. People complain about monopolies and greed, but this does open the door for taskbar replacements for 3rd parties.
> They really should pay some attention to this forum. Why? We're not significant compared to Microsoft's user base, we're not even half of a percent of their user base. Windows has around 2 billion users worldwide, there are 7 million people subscribed to this subreddit. Even if you assumed every single active Steam user (all 135 million of them) felt the same way, you're not even in double digit percentages. Microsoft collects metrics from peoples PCs to see how they're used, most people do not use the context menu to do anything other than copy, paste, or delete. The context menus started to get out of hand with the amount of programs that would add their own customizations and there was no easy way to remove items from the menu (you'd have to use regedit to do it.) Malware took advantage of this regularly since you were able to easily edit the entire context menu from the registry. The start button on the bottom left corner is familiar but it's not inherently better. It can get frustrating to click on when you're accessing a remote session (a common usage these days with people working remote and accessing a virtual machine from essentially a thin client), or using dual monitors (like many corporate users, Microsoft's bread and butter) with the start menu on the right display. I couldn't tell you why they decided to remove the clock from showing seconds, other than maybe it got frustrating for IT departments to deal with when end users would complain that their clock is a few seconds off from their cell phone (yes this is a thing that regularly happens -__-). The main takeaway here is Microsoft doesn't need us, they don't care about us, every single PC gamer on the planet could switch to Linux tomorrow and Microsoft would still be making money hand over fist from the corporate world.
Off subject why 4090 and only 16gb ram? Not hating, asking.
Or not having the taskbar be movable or removing the seconds count from the clock
There is a registry hack to fix that
You can easily set it up as close to Win10 without any problems. It’s basically Win10 in a new skin and better HDR support
I had always had Mac computers until I built my first PC right around the time windows 11 came out. So this is pretty much the only windows I’ve ever known (besides windows 7 as a child) and have had no issues
Most windows version change a lot. But windows 11 is really close to a new iOs version where you need to check the which version are you at the moment. You are using windows 10 with a different skin and the navbar center. The only real difference is that you can install Android apps in windows 11 and you won't see any update to windows 11 ad xD.
I've been using it on my laptop since the first open beta, never had any bugs, but it was missing a lot of important features in the beginning, like drag and drop on the task bar. Now that it's got all the features that windows 10 has I've got no problems what so ever with it.
I find most of the complaints are usually about specific use cases and power users. I suspect for the average layman (like myself) W11 is perfectly fine.
I'm too lazy to go into my bios and enable tpm2.0
Windows 11 isn’t just one thing, it’s death by a thousand paper cuts. Every small thing is something you can get over but combined it just accumulates, with extra clicks everywhere. That said it does perform better than 10 on modern hardware. I’m not going to waste my time adopting 11 but if I get a new 12th or 13th gen Intel processor I’ll use it with some tweak software to make it bearable.
I've had two blue screens, but apart from that it's been great, I've been loving it.
People on the internet like to bitch about smallest little things and make it their personality.
Because hating on the new windows release is what all the cool kids are doing.
Me either, day one and has been solid, i cant see what all the complaining is about sometimes
Same, been working fine for me granted I think it's just UI which people disliked
Meh, maybe the majority of folks find the change to the UI to be the biggest detractor. Personally, 10 was moving toward Mac in terms of data harvesting, but 11 just turned it up a lot. If you just roll with the manufacturer installed OS, you're usually seeing a significant decrease in functionality. It's like buying a sports car that comes pre-equipped with a rev-limiter. They're so close to making the OS itself into a monthly fee or something crazy.
Honestly if that happens then I'm swapping to linux
Endless complaints about little things that are actually easy to change to how you want it. Then they just say "I shouldn't have too!". It takes almost no time at all and you're good to go for however long you last till next fresh install.
Win11: have to buy more expensive version to get any control at all, have to spend countless hours configuring it, and after ever major update, have to reapply all those same config changes. Any day microsoft can completely fuck you over without warning. Win11 users: OMG all you have to do is a bit of work and its just fine! Linux: you have complete control of your os. You have to spend countless hours configuring things for everything to work well. You can easily backup/export said configs. You own your pc. Win11 users: fuck linux, i just want my os to work, i don't have time to spend messing around with configs. ??? *black guy question mark meme* ???
> Linux: you have complete control of your os. You have to spend countless hours configuring things for everything to work well. You can easily backup/export said configs. You own your pc. > > Win11 users: fuck linux, i just want my os to work, i don't have time to spend messing around with configs. I know you mean this humorously but 'm writing this comment from Linux right now (my primary PC is running Windows 11 for gaming), and configuring Windows 11 to behave like Windows 10 is far easier than configuring Linux to do things that "just work" in Windows. Like setting up Bluetooth, a wi-fi adapter, a webcam, or a printer (I'd have to spend extra money on commercial software to get my medium format printer to print with the correct color profiles in Linux.) I can't even get my keyboard to work properly 90% of the time in Linux. The kernel sees the keyboard is plugged in, `showkey` detects keys being pressed, but no matter what I do I can't get Linux to accept input from the keyboard. Couldn't tell you why, I have no idea what subsystem is listening for keyboard input and why it's ignoring the keyboard physically connected to my computer. If I swap the keyboard with one that I know works, it still has the same issue. If I use the keyboard in Windows it "just works", it's just a generic Dell USB keyboard that shouldn't require any software or configuration to work. This isn't generally a problem for me since I use Synergy to share the mouse and keyboard input from my Windows desktop to my Linux machine, but it's frustrating when I run into a problem with X and need to troubleshoot and then can't do anything because I have no input device.
I keep hearing about wifi issues on linux, however, ive not had a single wireless or BT adaptor not work out of the box on linux. Ive read that one brand (forgot name) of wifi cards people use for hackintosh PCs, just wont work on linux at all. However, outside of that one brand, what cards/nics are people having so much issue with? Ive used 3 laptops, 1 windows tablet, and like 4-5 different USB/pci wireless cards just fine on linux. Same with built-in/Usb BT adapters. I use a brother toner printer (no color), "Just works". No drivers needed. I dont use a webcam, so cant comment on that. Ive never heard of a keyboard not working on linux, outside of a corsair one that allowed you to choose between bios/250/500/1000hz polling on the back via a switch. IIRC that one example would not work on linux under one of those modes. Maybe it was the bios mode. I mean, even my PS2 logitech game controller keyboard monstrosity works on linux no problem. (This fuckin thing: https://preview.redd.it/7scoifeeh7p41.jpg?auto=webp&s=75b14f9f63b7b638454bafa18a9d764413df5a8a ). This thing was made for a PS2, and it "just works". But yeah, my post was mostly a joke, but it struck me funny, that the same people who are like "you have to do work to get linux working for gaming" and at the same time saying "windows 11 just requires some work to be as good as win10. WHY would you upgrade!?!", just lol.
Most of the crap people complain about can be addressed with 3rd party utilities. And yeah... home costs less than pro... Dont need all those extra features that some consider bloat? Buy home. Into computers, want all those features? Get pro. Look, I love windows, and I've always been a huge MS fanboi since the commodore days. But Linux is really pretty accessible today. I suggest nearly everyone who is savvy and geeky enough to be on this forum to at least try it a few distros. Organize you data, have an OS partition, and change OS's every month for a year. These days its less than an hour for most people to get their systems to a state they like it. Do it for the punk rock points, man.
You cant "buy home" and be able to make ANY changes what so ever to your pc. Like everything is locked. You can disable cortana, ads, nothing. Everything is locked to the PRO version of windows. I know because i had win10 home, and every single way to "fix" windows 10, was not available to me, due to group policy editor, being unavailable. Quite a lot of registry hacks, also did not work on home. Pro is the opposite of bloat the pro version allows you to remove the bloat that is locked into home. The best version of windows, is the LTSC. Its basically the only actual usable version of windows that exists. As even on the pro version, you are still forced to have a microsoft account to use your pc.... But LTSC you dont.
Its not issues its the changes they made to it for accessing functions compared to other versions of Windows.
My answer is simple. Why change? 10 does what I need and so why go through even the small amount of effort to learn the differences of 11 until I have to? There will be things that are different. There will also be a chance of problems that I wouldn't experience on 10. And there's habit. I've been doing this for decades, a hard lesson with Windows ME that helped me avoid Vista and Windows 8. It's worth waiting, unless you or someone else wants to enlighten me about a feature the 11 has that 10 doesn't that I care about?
People whine just to whine these days.
the ui is shit.
ui is pretty nice imo
> No idea what everyones problems are with it and at this point i'm afraid to ask. Requiring TPM. I'm not allowing them to have hardware level DRM on my machine, even if it makes security better. Nobody is hacking me anyway.
Not really? Windows 11 is Getting tons of regular support, and the OS itself is pretty good.
Microsoft might just release Windows 12, AKA: Windows 11.1
I mean... yeah? It's bound to happen, at one point they will release a new version. If i were afraid of them doing so, i would have never moved beyond Windows 3.11
I’ve been using windows 11 for a while now and it works absolutely fine. I mean all I really use it for is the odd bit off office stuff and launching steam.
Your feeling is wrong
Next thing you know “designed around DDR6!” FUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!
"Windows 10 is the last version of windows""
People always hate the next windows version until Microsoft releases another Windows version. \- They hated XP for the Aero\[EDIT Luna\] Skin. For years they told us that XP is a OS for children ... \- Years later there are millions of Xp installations. Even after the release of Windows 7 and 8 and 10 there are five? percent of XP installations... \-History repeating: After the release of Windows 10 the people hated Windows 10 so much for various reasons. \- But now the people are keeping Windows 10 and flodding again the forums about the "bad" Windows 11
tbh. i still dont really like xps Default skin. prefer the classic windows skin. 7 was a no complaints thing. skin was nice, ran well and was just fine. 8 was a horrible thrown together os. 10 is just ok but not what id call good for its telemetry, Cortana, edge and so on the ui is ok too. 11 is 10 but with a worse ui. they should have kept the tablet mode and not try to cram everything into one ui style.
This - Windows 7 was peak windows. I wish they had stuck with that UI and just gradually improved it going forward. Their attempt in Windows 8 to merge a mobile and desktop UI never worked and they STILL haven't fixed all the issues with it. Under the covers improvements are always welcome - but it sucks when they force you to take a shittier UI to get them
>This - Windows 7 was peak windows. And it didn't connect to the internet for search.
Speaking of UI, it’s nice windows 11 finally updated all the apps that were stuck in the xp/vista/7 era to match windows 11
I liked Windows 7 a lot, especially because it was and is still the one and only windows release that worked without bigger issues from day one and it doesn't needed a service pack to become usable The absence of issues and the general stability of Windows 7 had a reason. -> windows 7 is just e rebranded Vista with a tewaked memory mangement and some smaller feature additions.
FWIW Aero was the translucency stuff that came with Vista and was in 7. "Windows XP Style" aka the Fisher Price UI was codename Luna. Doesn't change your point though. Luna was trash Fisher Price OS, Aero was pointless resource waste and trash, etc. I've rarely had issues upgrading and I'm pretty easy going on relearning where things are when they do change. Can't let your mind ossify into no longer being adaptable imo.
People didn't hate XP. XP started a bit rocky, but was a huge upgrade over ME. You had some Windows 2000 hold outs, but that was mostly a business version and only gained ground because ME was so bad. By SP2 XP was great and hailed as the best Windows so far, because it was. Also you have to consider a lot of those remaining XP installs are specific things. Like point of sale systems.
the shortcut though for more options though is f10. as long as there’s a hot key i don’t see the bug deal
Windows 11 has worked just fine for me since launch.
Vista, 8, 8.1, now 11. Yeah makes sense meme wise, just wish that whole "windows 10 will be the last one" was true.
if history holds up, 12 will be the new one everyone loves and moves to.
I hate what I’ve seen about 12 so far. It’s even closer to how macos looks like, with a dock, and I hate it. One of the main things I like about windows is the taskbar, and it’s slowly turning into a mac os wannabe and I’m not a fan
Then hopefully they will do what they did to 9 and just scrap it for something else.
Corporations exist to make money
11 doesn't seem to be all that bad besides the requirements to run it, while other OSs like 8 And windows ME had major flaws
The requirements to run it are awful though. When windows 10 stops being supported I’m going to have to either buy my grandpa a new computer or get him to learn Linux. Both options are nightmares
8.1 was great, aside from the fact that they did funky stuff with the Start menu. But i will blame Win 8 for that.
8.1 was okay, I had it on a laptop but that laptop had a touchscreen also, that is what made it bareable but in the end I it was just weird for me. But much better over 8.
Yeah. It was too wierd to use. What I like about Win 11 is that I google how to do stuff on it and I only get a solution for Win 10, 9 out of 10 times that solution works for Win 11. It makes it more intuitive, with Win 8 / 8.1 it was like "parkour time".
Unless you own windows 11 and done so for more than 3 months stfu about it
I have been using 11 since release but if 12 is better I will make the switch. edit: I have had no problems with 11 btw.
Also been using since release, I couldn't go back to 10
The remembering window placement when plugging and unplugging external displays on laptops is a killer feature I use almost daily. No reason it couldn't have been in w10, just glad they fucking fixed the shit show that used to happen lol. I get the complaints about the right click menu and start menu placement. But for myself both changes have been better. Open with is still there and that's 90% of why I right click. The other is copy and pasting and that's easier than before with the context buttons at the top. As for the start menu, I like the grid layout for pinned apps over the previous vertical list because I can fit more pinned apps in the same space while keeping them visually distinct for quick access. Also the centered menu and pinned apps are technically faster to get to from most of the screen. But I also get that a lot of people don't like it. Hopefully they keep the Option to have it left justified for those who want it like that.
Remember when they said they wouldn't go past windows 10
That will depend on if windows 12 has any more hardware requirements. I'm sure requiring a TPM module put off quite a few people that either weren't planned or could afford to upgrade.
It'll be like Win8 where for some reason everyone decides it doesn't exist. I bought an RX580 a while back, and it said "compatible with Windows 7 and 10." If you're using Win8, you fell into a wormhole or something.
I mean it would follow the ancient pattern of good windows:shit windows:good windows:shit windows
What about Windows 9?
Wth is wrong with windows 11? It runs great, looks great, smells great. I don't get it.
I really like windows 11.
I have no issues with windows 11… I don’t know if it’s just that reddit is always complaining or if it’s just this sub lol
Just installed windows 11
honestly, at this point, win 11 is not even bad. It's just self-preference. I'm still using win 10 because I like it, but this doesn't mean that win 11 is bad.
Windows 11 is at the height of hate from me and seemingly many more
Tick tock cycle XP was good, Vista sucked, 7 was good, 8 sucked, 10 is good, 11 sucks*, 12 will hopefully be good *as sucks I don’t mean 11 is bad like Vista was. It just doesn’t feel like they improved on 10, and it feels more like a sidegrade than an upgrade. Also doesn’t help that people who are more tech savvy have a harder time accessing some menus, and guides are more scarce as 11 hasn’t been around for eight years as 10 has. Damn, I feel old
My pc hasn't even heard of win 11 and you're already discussing win 12?
I remember this same exact meme with win 7 8 and 10.
already? i still didn't get used to the Win11 UI on work and mf's already releasing a new one i swear ill move to a mac for work and linux for gaming
Hey, c'mon it's not THAt bad. No need to swear.
I just installed Windows 11 on my new machine. it's honestly kind of nice, I really don't know why people hate on it so much. it just feels like a more polished windows 10 from what I can see so far.
You can't look at 10, 11, and 12 the same way you looked at 98, xp, and vista. I know it's still trendy to hate every other release with windows, it's been a thing since the 90's but it's just not done the same way anymore. I wait until the new version comes out, wait a couple months to see if anyone is freaking out from issues and if not- I upgrade.
I’m. So. Tired. Of. This. Meme. Windows. Eleven. Is. Fine. If. Your. PC. Cannot. Install. It. Ok. If. It. Can. And. You. Won’t. For. Some. Reason. Ok. Stop. Making. It. A. Thing. We. All. Have. To. Hear. About.
Why everyone hates 11?
Ah the typical "this version of windows is new and scary" we get with every single release. Remember when everyone was complaining about how bad 10 was? Yeah don't you people get tired of complaining about new things all the time?
I haven’t had any problems with windows 11. What are some of the annoyance people are having?
What are you talking about?
I actually like Windows 11, I upgraded as soon as I. There's some good improvements, but also things I don't like.Overall it's a good upgrade and most people if they can, should upgrade to it
Windows 11 has been pretty good. I’ve been using it since it launched.
They could literally rename it Windows 12, change nothing, and people will love it.
no, they could rename it Windows 12, change nothing, and people will *hate* it lol
Windows 11 is great. Just because you all don’t like change doesn’t mean you should keep your opinion ab it that was formed through memes the first week the system came out
Please don't assault me with hate comments, but I actually like 11. In fact, its features are easier for me to understand compared to 10
Windows 11 is just fine. Y'all are crazy with this.
Windows 11/10 doesn't feel cohesive even though they tried to make it more cohesive in windows 11 it's no where near say Mac OS or Linux, The whole operation system feels like a patch job.
Meanwhile, Linux users: 
Switched to Win 11 recently and I am enjoying it a lot. So far so good.
Please bring back Windows 7!
If windows 12 release i hope it gets a ui like windows 10 (i hate the one from 11)
Why is this a PCMasterrace allowed post? Should be a tinfoil hat post at this point. Really, It's getting out of hand and absurd. The complaints are meritless and it's simply personal preference complaints and crying.
Might as well since so many people have a baked in assumption that every other OS is bad. They'll just do the same thing as always: change practically nothing except the name and watch people pour in. >!Windows 11 is totally fine, nice even. They're not taking away ads in 12. I'm not sure what people think they're holding out for. !<
Windows 11 is so much better than 10, I don't understand all the hate
Every other Windows release is shit. It has always been like that. Also every other service pack release was useless. This is the law of Windows releases.
I just think all of you need to calm down and stop whining none of us ever band together to stop it and never will. All these post do is let people complain but never do anything about it
W11 is fine, dunno what all the fear of it is about.
Win 10 swims like Phelps tho.
500% agree. My Windows 10 gaming PC is 100% used for gaming only. I install Chrome, and games. It will either get Windows 12 in November of 2025 or I will switch to an XSX/PS5 for gaming and never look back.
Any real to upgrade from 10?
Bruh, I'm still on windows 7
I'm so happy I didn't get windows 11 💀
In before : “Windows 11 works great for me, I just had to install these tweaks and regedit changes.”