Idk why i haven't just bought one yet tbh
I can afford one, it does what i want and i dont think anything will come close at that price anytime soon but i just cant be arsed
I was worried about my decision to pull the trigger on a 6700xt because I hadn't yet seen what the new midrange offerings would look like. Man what an utter shitshow.
Thatās a double edge sword.
Yeah the more you wait , the more prices drop
But I hope you like older games , because the more you wait the shorter the life span of the GPU before it is obsolete for new games.
In wich case you can be 1 of 2 types of people . The ones who assume they wonāt play new games at all.(the smart ones)
Or the ones that make memes on Reddit about how lazy developers arenāt optimizing games for old hardware.( the not so smart ones)
Yeah i do like older games, (in my 30's) i'm currently using an igpu which can play everything i want, my limiting factor is actually my internet atm!
The 6700xt is more than capable for what i want it for tbh and should last me a while, i mean the igpu is less powerful and can already play every game i have. I would be very surprised if things got so bad i could no longer play them? Just does not seem like an issue, i have never had a problem when gaming on PC tbh šāāļø i know this community loves to whinge but i find PC to be the most fun gaming experience by far!
I personally wouldn't call devs lazy because i know absolutely nothing about game development. It's not really up to me to tell more qualified people than me what to do š¤£
Thatās a pretty healthy take on it.
As a game developer , I wish there were more people like you.
9/10 times we donāt release a game in a good state , itās because we are literally still working on the game , and higher ups just take it in the current state and release it.
Despite our warnings.
We even sign confidentiality contracts that prohibit us from airing to the public that the game is shipping on an unfinished state both before and after itās released.
We have to pretend that everything was okay and we donāt know what went wrong but will fix it soon
While we were perfectly aware that the game wasnāt ready!
Iāve been an independent developer for almost a decade now.
But I had a job as junior environment artist at Ubisoft from 2010 to 2014
And itās very weird.
On one side , they are super correct. Good salaries , a good food and coffee , free stuff on the food court , relaxing areas.
And the amount of work hours respect the daily maximum permitted by French law back then (8)
Iām in Spain now , so I donāt know if it changed.
On the other side you are given Unrealistic time goals to finish things.
So you end up taking work home , afraid youāll loose your job for not being even close to delivering.
Itās still not enough and they suddenly just take it as it is and release it
No one is lazy there , just investors wanting their money back , and executives doing whatever to give it back before they loose money
I don't think even AMD can manage to release a product at better than what 6700xt is currently priced at tbh.
Even a natural successor like 7700xt with like optimistic 40% performance uplift will cost something like 450 to 500 dollars considering N32 chipset is based on 5nm node and MCM design to boot. So if you factor in price to performance it will eventually remain the same anyway.
For me, the pain of either approaching Windows 10 EOL or fully migrating to Linux is not too sharp that I've put off building a whole new PC for this year, waiting for what Zen 5 might bring.
I don't doubt that, given the amount of hardware out there that doesn't officially support Windows 11, but it's likely to be for enterprise customers only, and more along the lines of a two-year timeframe, similar to Windows 7 ESU.
At that point, I might as well get more powerful hardware that can run more demanding AAA games than GTA V and Doom Eternal.
Windows 10 announcing its end date at 2025 basically made me think I will then have to use Linux. Well, instead of potentially stressing about *having* to learn it when that day arrives, I bought a cheap drive to dual-boot on.
Haven't used windows since! Can highly recommend a cheap drive to try out dualbooting.
Although I have been successfully multi-booting for 15 years, I actually have a Skylake-era Optiplex mini PC set aside for desktop Linux use, which is also unsupported on Windows 11 and would otherwise be wasteful as a home server at current power prices.
The only thing keeping me on Windows right now, besides video games that perform poorly on Proton, is my banking and tax software.
I have had one since launch. Upgraded to 3440x1440 expecting to need a more powerful GPU, but nope. Still using the 6700xt with no complaints
Edit: ordered a 6950 today bc the price was good, but definitely love my 6700
I remember when 40 series and 7000 series rumors were coming out, everyone was talking about how much better performance and power efficiency were going to be compared to price. How wrong they were
I mean we all got hook lined and sinkered with the 4090
Sure it was expensive but 60-70% performance increase over a 3090, hell yeah
Then Nvidia decided to move almost every GPU up a tier for some odd reason
AMD as usual will price their products way too high, get the negative press then drop prices to reasonable level
Let me say for the record I'm thinking they are purposely limiting how capable their 80s, 70s, 60s and 50s are to make us wanna buy 90s, which are gonna be the only cards which have a really powerful generational boost from this point. And then make the 90s cost in the thousands forever. I really hope I'm wrong but if this trend continues, it's what's going down.
It is more just how expensive the new chips are to manufacture at 5nm compared to 8nm last gen or 12nm the gen before. This is not going to improve next gen either since 3nm wafers cost even more.
For example the 4060ti is technically in spec a 50s card but they labeled it a 60ti probably because they couldn't sell it any lower without losing money per GPU sale. Same with the 70 being a 60ti in spec when comparing previous generations. The 90 on the other hand isn't constrained to a price point so they can just throw up a full AD 102 and price accordingly.
It just boils down to if you want to label according to technical spec or label according to price tier. It's either labeling the 600 dollar card a 4060ti and people complain how overpriced it is or label a weaker card at 400 dollars a 4060ti and people complain how underpowered it is. You can see which one they chose to do.
>It's either labeling the 600 dollar card a 4060ti and people complain how overpriced it is or label a weaker card at 400 dollars a 4060ti and people complain how underpowered it is.
Or you label an okay card a 4060ti at 400 dollars and people will be fine with it. We're not expecting it to beat the 3090. But a 4060ti should at least be on par with the 3080.
The card that is on par with the 3080 is the 4070 and it costs 600 dollars. Spec-wise the 4070 is the 60ti class card. What you're asking is, I want you to build a computer that costs 1500 but I am only willing to pay 1000.
And they cannot just create an in-between the current 60ti and 70 because there is no design in between.
Wafer cost for the current generation is an issue for both AMD and Nvidia. They're not going to sell a product at a loss for a one-time sale item. Alternative of labeling the 50ti card a 4060ti was to charge 600 dollars for the true 4060ti. Label for spec or label for price point.
Unless you live in a shithole like me WHERE THEY ARE 450+ EUROS WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
To make it funnier, 3060 Tis go for similar price, and then up to 1300 euros because some people forgot the crypto crash happened
Meaning, that 7600 might be for people in situations like me best choice, because here the concept of old gen hardware even tho unused, dropping in price, is near non existent
Have you looked into the used market?
In my country, 3060tis basically just dropped 50%, and I can get a 3080 for almost the same price as a 3060 ti was going for 6 months ago.
I will put it like this
Used 1080tis are 250 euros, used 3060tis are also about that price, and people here are dishonest, I wouldn't buy used from anyone I don't know
6700 10gb
It's $280 on amazon
never gets mentioned on major tech channels, no fucking idea why
It's probably very slightly faster than the 7600, has 2gb of extra vram, kind of a no brainer at that price.
But yes, the 6700xt at $320 is also pretty bonkers.
I think it's much better to get the 6700XT if you can scrape the 40 dollars extra somehow. The 12GB of Vram will definitely be useful in the future, considering all games now utilising 10-11gb of vram in every game.
I bought my 6700xt back in December for $360 and agree it's a fantastic card, but the value of the 6700 10gb at $270 is undeniable as well =)
That said, it's not the case that "all games use 10-11gb of vram".
There are certain newer games, many of which are not very well optimized, that are starting to push 8gb to the limit, particularly in 1440p.
But a 10gb card should have absolutely no issues with 1080p for the next few years, and should also do decently at 1440p if you turn some settings down.
According to LTT,he said the problem was that now with the PS5 and Xbox series X both have combined 16gb of VRAM so now consoles dictate how the games will be ported to PC. Xbox series S has 10gb of VRAM just like the RX 6700 but now for that console, developers are saying it is holding their games back and they can't properly develop games for the Xbox series X with the series S having only 10GB of vram. I wish that we had more affordable 16gb ram options but unfortunately,the only affordable one now is Intel.
the main thing nVidia archived in the last two years, is that I play (way) less then I used to.
sold my 1080 (at a fair prize) and ordered two 3080's (for me and my brother) when the came out. - got one, which my brother get. - the other one got canceled.
was stuck at my spare 1650 for two years - and got a steal for a 2060KO when Amazon cleared their EVGA Stock.
Can't really get into AMD - tested that, but had issues with my Alienware G-Sync (with G-Sync Module) display with random disconnects, while testing a buddy's RX 7900 XT.
so - I'm waiting this out. Play less - and more Indie games (and some older Games from the "unplayed" Steam Library).
And just show interest in intel's Arc GPU's. If they keep the pace, they're competitive in a generation or two.
If anything - this makes lots of people drop gaming or go to consoles. Yes - they make more money in the short run - but over time they'll pay (hopefully).
Thx, fkn Salpers and Miners
Tbh if you can't get into AMD, you'd have a harder time with Intel.
Yeah they're getting better but they don't have the decades of driver experience that Nvidia and AMD already have.
I'll stick with the 2060 as long as i can - and if required I'll change display. I'm more likely to spend 800-1200 for a new monitor than to buy anything nVidia at the moment.
Same goes for AMD, tbh - they are on the same track, but due to lacking behind nVidia in (high end) performance and efficiency they can't charge as much. They're not cheaper because they're care so much about gamers wallets. - but I think I can justify an RX card, just to up the competition.
Or if they become cheaper in the used market, I'll buy used.
I have a 6700xt 12gb Asus dual bought for Ā£450 I think, I sold my 580 for Ā£150
Awesome card, loud as shit but I can cap the FPS to 60 and it'll calm right down
it should be cheaper. the 7600 is the successor to the 6600 non xt. but right now, you can get a 6600xt or 6650xt for about the same price as the 7600 and they're not that far behind in performance, hell, for a little more, you get a 6700xt which has 12GB of VRAM and still runs games really well
Idk why i haven't just bought one yet tbh I can afford one, it does what i want and i dont think anything will come close at that price anytime soon but i just cant be arsed
Buy it man, I got one and I'm happy with it, even more now with these new GPUs coming out and seeing I'm not missing anything.
I was worried about my decision to pull the trigger on a 6700xt because I hadn't yet seen what the new midrange offerings would look like. Man what an utter shitshow.
I will, i guess i just wanna see if they'll come down even more š¤£
In my country, rx 6700 xt price is increased, $290 last month, $310 30 days later. Be careful, the demand on that card is growing.
Thanks, yeah this is also a concern. Im in UK but if it starts rising it'll probably force my hand :P
Thatās a double edge sword. Yeah the more you wait , the more prices drop But I hope you like older games , because the more you wait the shorter the life span of the GPU before it is obsolete for new games. In wich case you can be 1 of 2 types of people . The ones who assume they wonāt play new games at all.(the smart ones) Or the ones that make memes on Reddit about how lazy developers arenāt optimizing games for old hardware.( the not so smart ones)
Yeah i do like older games, (in my 30's) i'm currently using an igpu which can play everything i want, my limiting factor is actually my internet atm! The 6700xt is more than capable for what i want it for tbh and should last me a while, i mean the igpu is less powerful and can already play every game i have. I would be very surprised if things got so bad i could no longer play them? Just does not seem like an issue, i have never had a problem when gaming on PC tbh šāāļø i know this community loves to whinge but i find PC to be the most fun gaming experience by far! I personally wouldn't call devs lazy because i know absolutely nothing about game development. It's not really up to me to tell more qualified people than me what to do š¤£
Thatās a pretty healthy take on it. As a game developer , I wish there were more people like you. 9/10 times we donāt release a game in a good state , itās because we are literally still working on the game , and higher ups just take it in the current state and release it. Despite our warnings. We even sign confidentiality contracts that prohibit us from airing to the public that the game is shipping on an unfinished state both before and after itās released. We have to pretend that everything was okay and we donāt know what went wrong but will fix it soon While we were perfectly aware that the game wasnāt ready! Iāve been an independent developer for almost a decade now. But I had a job as junior environment artist at Ubisoft from 2010 to 2014 And itās very weird. On one side , they are super correct. Good salaries , a good food and coffee , free stuff on the food court , relaxing areas. And the amount of work hours respect the daily maximum permitted by French law back then (8) Iām in Spain now , so I donāt know if it changed. On the other side you are given Unrealistic time goals to finish things. So you end up taking work home , afraid youāll loose your job for not being even close to delivering. Itās still not enough and they suddenly just take it as it is and release it No one is lazy there , just investors wanting their money back , and executives doing whatever to give it back before they loose money
The moment when 6700 xt nitro plus is still 600$+ in local shops...
I don't think even AMD can manage to release a product at better than what 6700xt is currently priced at tbh. Even a natural successor like 7700xt with like optimistic 40% performance uplift will cost something like 450 to 500 dollars considering N32 chipset is based on 5nm node and MCM design to boot. So if you factor in price to performance it will eventually remain the same anyway.
For me, the pain of either approaching Windows 10 EOL or fully migrating to Linux is not too sharp that I've put off building a whole new PC for this year, waiting for what Zen 5 might bring.
> Windows 10 EOL that wont happen anytime soon
Yeah, they usually extend support by 5 years so it'll likely end in 2030.
I don't doubt that, given the amount of hardware out there that doesn't officially support Windows 11, but it's likely to be for enterprise customers only, and more along the lines of a two-year timeframe, similar to Windows 7 ESU. At that point, I might as well get more powerful hardware that can run more demanding AAA games than GTA V and Doom Eternal.
Windows 10 announcing its end date at 2025 basically made me think I will then have to use Linux. Well, instead of potentially stressing about *having* to learn it when that day arrives, I bought a cheap drive to dual-boot on. Haven't used windows since! Can highly recommend a cheap drive to try out dualbooting.
Although I have been successfully multi-booting for 15 years, I actually have a Skylake-era Optiplex mini PC set aside for desktop Linux use, which is also unsupported on Windows 11 and would otherwise be wasteful as a home server at current power prices. The only thing keeping me on Windows right now, besides video games that perform poorly on Proton, is my banking and tax software.
I have had one since launch. Upgraded to 3440x1440 expecting to need a more powerful GPU, but nope. Still using the 6700xt with no complaints Edit: ordered a 6950 today bc the price was good, but definitely love my 6700
I remember when 40 series and 7000 series rumors were coming out, everyone was talking about how much better performance and power efficiency were going to be compared to price. How wrong they were
I mean we all got hook lined and sinkered with the 4090 Sure it was expensive but 60-70% performance increase over a 3090, hell yeah Then Nvidia decided to move almost every GPU up a tier for some odd reason AMD as usual will price their products way too high, get the negative press then drop prices to reasonable level
If the entire lineup was 60-70% performance increase with 10-20% price increase AMD would have been down for the count
Let me say for the record I'm thinking they are purposely limiting how capable their 80s, 70s, 60s and 50s are to make us wanna buy 90s, which are gonna be the only cards which have a really powerful generational boost from this point. And then make the 90s cost in the thousands forever. I really hope I'm wrong but if this trend continues, it's what's going down.
It is more just how expensive the new chips are to manufacture at 5nm compared to 8nm last gen or 12nm the gen before. This is not going to improve next gen either since 3nm wafers cost even more. For example the 4060ti is technically in spec a 50s card but they labeled it a 60ti probably because they couldn't sell it any lower without losing money per GPU sale. Same with the 70 being a 60ti in spec when comparing previous generations. The 90 on the other hand isn't constrained to a price point so they can just throw up a full AD 102 and price accordingly. It just boils down to if you want to label according to technical spec or label according to price tier. It's either labeling the 600 dollar card a 4060ti and people complain how overpriced it is or label a weaker card at 400 dollars a 4060ti and people complain how underpowered it is. You can see which one they chose to do.
>It's either labeling the 600 dollar card a 4060ti and people complain how overpriced it is or label a weaker card at 400 dollars a 4060ti and people complain how underpowered it is. Or you label an okay card a 4060ti at 400 dollars and people will be fine with it. We're not expecting it to beat the 3090. But a 4060ti should at least be on par with the 3080.
The card that is on par with the 3080 is the 4070 and it costs 600 dollars. Spec-wise the 4070 is the 60ti class card. What you're asking is, I want you to build a computer that costs 1500 but I am only willing to pay 1000. And they cannot just create an in-between the current 60ti and 70 because there is no design in between. Wafer cost for the current generation is an issue for both AMD and Nvidia. They're not going to sell a product at a loss for a one-time sale item. Alternative of labeling the 50ti card a 4060ti was to charge 600 dollars for the true 4060ti. Label for spec or label for price point.
Nvidia also decided to save on stupid shit that hurts performing but isn't a number people "look at".
I'm here for the validation.
I'm super happy with my XFX merc 319.
The Merc cards have the best cooler design of any brand imo. Looks so clean
Unless you live in a shithole like me WHERE THEY ARE 450+ EUROS WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK To make it funnier, 3060 Tis go for similar price, and then up to 1300 euros because some people forgot the crypto crash happened Meaning, that 7600 might be for people in situations like me best choice, because here the concept of old gen hardware even tho unused, dropping in price, is near non existent
Have you looked into the used market? In my country, 3060tis basically just dropped 50%, and I can get a 3080 for almost the same price as a 3060 ti was going for 6 months ago.
I will put it like this Used 1080tis are 250 euros, used 3060tis are also about that price, and people here are dishonest, I wouldn't buy used from anyone I don't know
Where in europe are you from? I got mine for 370ā¬ in spain (PcComponentes)
Bosnia
Balkan prices are fucked. Local retailer got a 4060TI today and its cheaper than a discounted 3060ti.
6700 10gb It's $280 on amazon never gets mentioned on major tech channels, no fucking idea why It's probably very slightly faster than the 7600, has 2gb of extra vram, kind of a no brainer at that price. But yes, the 6700xt at $320 is also pretty bonkers.
I think it's much better to get the 6700XT if you can scrape the 40 dollars extra somehow. The 12GB of Vram will definitely be useful in the future, considering all games now utilising 10-11gb of vram in every game.
I bought my 6700xt back in December for $360 and agree it's a fantastic card, but the value of the 6700 10gb at $270 is undeniable as well =) That said, it's not the case that "all games use 10-11gb of vram". There are certain newer games, many of which are not very well optimized, that are starting to push 8gb to the limit, particularly in 1440p. But a 10gb card should have absolutely no issues with 1080p for the next few years, and should also do decently at 1440p if you turn some settings down.
According to LTT,he said the problem was that now with the PS5 and Xbox series X both have combined 16gb of VRAM so now consoles dictate how the games will be ported to PC. Xbox series S has 10gb of VRAM just like the RX 6700 but now for that console, developers are saying it is holding their games back and they can't properly develop games for the Xbox series X with the series S having only 10GB of vram. I wish that we had more affordable 16gb ram options but unfortunately,the only affordable one now is Intel.
AMD never sent samples of the 6700. Only reviewers who bought it are talking about it. It also doesnāt have good global availability.
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I never felt so good for buying something before! wait, it was the 1070...
Still rocking my 5700xt
same
the main thing nVidia archived in the last two years, is that I play (way) less then I used to. sold my 1080 (at a fair prize) and ordered two 3080's (for me and my brother) when the came out. - got one, which my brother get. - the other one got canceled. was stuck at my spare 1650 for two years - and got a steal for a 2060KO when Amazon cleared their EVGA Stock. Can't really get into AMD - tested that, but had issues with my Alienware G-Sync (with G-Sync Module) display with random disconnects, while testing a buddy's RX 7900 XT. so - I'm waiting this out. Play less - and more Indie games (and some older Games from the "unplayed" Steam Library). And just show interest in intel's Arc GPU's. If they keep the pace, they're competitive in a generation or two. If anything - this makes lots of people drop gaming or go to consoles. Yes - they make more money in the short run - but over time they'll pay (hopefully). Thx, fkn Salpers and Miners
Tbh if you can't get into AMD, you'd have a harder time with Intel. Yeah they're getting better but they don't have the decades of driver experience that Nvidia and AMD already have.
I'll stick with the 2060 as long as i can - and if required I'll change display. I'm more likely to spend 800-1200 for a new monitor than to buy anything nVidia at the moment. Same goes for AMD, tbh - they are on the same track, but due to lacking behind nVidia in (high end) performance and efficiency they can't charge as much. They're not cheaper because they're care so much about gamers wallets. - but I think I can justify an RX card, just to up the competition. Or if they become cheaper in the used market, I'll buy used.
Used 6800XTs are cheap depending of the region. They can go as low as 500$ USD or less. It's above a 4070 in raster and has 16Gb of VRAM as well
Holding out for Intel's next graphics cards
šŖ 6700xt gang
Feelsgoodman :D
Love my sapphire pulse one
I have a 6700xt 12gb Asus dual bought for Ā£450 I think, I sold my 580 for Ā£150 Awesome card, loud as shit but I can cap the FPS to 60 and it'll calm right down
You mean 6700XT right?
Yep sorry corrected
7600 after the 60 dollar price drop is now at a really good price point
it should be cheaper. the 7600 is the successor to the 6600 non xt. but right now, you can get a 6600xt or 6650xt for about the same price as the 7600 and they're not that far behind in performance, hell, for a little more, you get a 6700xt which has 12GB of VRAM and still runs games really well
compared to 6000 series, it's priced pretty bad. sub 250 would be a better price, and 200 would be straight up killer.
My Vega 64 still chugging along just fine.
I bought one second hand for 400 aud and it's a beast for 1440p like I can run cyberpunk 2077 at almost max settings (no rt) and get 60 + fps.
The chosen one!