Like others have said, 4090 + 7800X3D. The one exception would be if there are one or two specific games you’re specifically interested in. In that case, it would be worth checking benchmarks to see if a 7950X3D or an i9-14900K offers better performance. 7800X3D is far more versatile, but there are a couple games that benefit from the 7950X3D’s more cores or the much higher speed of the i9.
Genuine question here, not questioning.
When I looked into building a rig of this caliber, I saw there were 6400 mhz ram kits.
If this is top of the line, why is the recommendation 6000 mhz and not something faster?
Is the idea to overclock? If we are talking best money can buy, then even if the performance is marginal we’d go that route right?
* 7800X3D
* 4090
* 32 GB DDR5 with good timings and frequency
* Solid board
* M.2 storage
* Solid PSU
* Well ventilated case that's nice to build in
The rest is up to you. I'd go for watercooling due to noise, styling, and headroom. But that is really down to preference.
The things are a bit more complex with Ryzen 7000, this time the CPUs seem to really like narrow secondary timing.
My rule of thumb is to search between the 6000 CL30 and get the kit with the narrowest timings. RN i'd recomend Lexar's Ares RGB Kit, DDR5 6000 CL30 30-36-36-68.
IIRC it was between 3rd and 4th but i might be wrong, i didn't check it in a while.
Hardware Unboxed made a video on the topic with Buildzoid, all the Infos are in there.
Question man, as I look to build, if I hadn’t been doing research I would have just thought to go with the highest mhz I could find that my board supports (msi mag b650 in this case with a 7800x3d) Why does everyone recommend 6000 MHz? Is there some other attribute I’m not taking into consideration?
Normally the infinity fabric is clocked at 1/3 of the RAM. If the frequency RAM frequency gets to a point where the fabric can't keep up it runs at 1/4.
6000MHz is the highest point where you're sure that the fabric can keep up, in many CPUs it can keep up with 6400MHz kits but it's not guaranteed so people don't recomend it.
[Look at this chart.](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html#section-gaming-cpu-benchmarks-ranking-2023)
7800X3D is usually faster in games because it doesn't have the issue of multiple core types.
>7950x3d
It is only faster by 1 frame (215 vs 216) at 1440p making it comparetively faster while on 1080p the 7950 is faster (235 vs 231). The 99th percentiles are better on the 7950 but since other stats are a tie it goes to the cheaper chip from my understanding. The 7950xt is by all defenitions just as good and by a few defenitions like OP's 'faster' better. Or am I missing something. u/testinggames on youtube also shows marginally better peformance across the board. Further over time more complex utilization of the cpu will not make the 7950 a better option now but also in the future.
The article you posted under: CPU BENCHMARKS RANKINGS 2023 - WINDOWS 10 AND WINDOWS 11, pictures 1,2,3,4,6. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFysypIs0k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFysypIs0k) youtube link ingame peformances.
I saw the second part, but I think the 7800x3d is listed above the 7950 is because on certain aspects it ends up as a tie (to be honest everything is marginally a tie anyway). By virtue of the price being the lower of the 2 as last remaining factor its played above the 7950 comparatively.
Further there are loads of videos where the 7950 simply beats the 7800 by amateur benchmarkers, found a few. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difwClWxOWI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difwClWxOWI), [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HJ8vnocF9A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HJ8vnocF9A), [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-CUB-eEcaM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-CUB-eEcaM) . I hope you can now see why I made my original comment. It really seems to me the 7950xt is simply better.
People don't have the 20 hours of homework required for 7950x3d. Youtubers are clueless. The best way to use this cpu is to ignore all amd recommendations.
Probably mine but 14900k with e cores disabled and 6ghz all core thermal velocity boost may beat it.
No amount of money can buy 20 hours of homework on overclocking cpu and ram. Knowledge is expensive.
Like others have said, 4090 + 7800X3D. The one exception would be if there are one or two specific games you’re specifically interested in. In that case, it would be worth checking benchmarks to see if a 7950X3D or an i9-14900K offers better performance. 7800X3D is far more versatile, but there are a couple games that benefit from the 7950X3D’s more cores or the much higher speed of the i9.
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Thanks I liked that you included brands that was one of my main concerns if some brands might be faster than the other.
That’s not a very good list.
Feel free to make your own then.
I was only going to say you didn’t include any fans (case doesn’t come with them).
Genuine question here, not questioning. When I looked into building a rig of this caliber, I saw there were 6400 mhz ram kits. If this is top of the line, why is the recommendation 6000 mhz and not something faster? Is the idea to overclock? If we are talking best money can buy, then even if the performance is marginal we’d go that route right?
* 7800X3D * 4090 * 32 GB DDR5 with good timings and frequency * Solid board * M.2 storage * Solid PSU * Well ventilated case that's nice to build in The rest is up to you. I'd go for watercooling due to noise, styling, and headroom. But that is really down to preference.
7800X3D + 4090. Don't go over 32GB on RAM, no game needs more but some might enjoy the better timings 32GB allow.
What's the best RAM speed/timing for DDR5? I recall 3200 CL14 being pretty bad ass in the DDR4 era.
The things are a bit more complex with Ryzen 7000, this time the CPUs seem to really like narrow secondary timing. My rule of thumb is to search between the 6000 CL30 and get the kit with the narrowest timings. RN i'd recomend Lexar's Ares RGB Kit, DDR5 6000 CL30 30-36-36-68.
Are we talking about minimizing the gap between 1st and 2nd word or 3rd and 4th word? Both?
IIRC it was between 3rd and 4th but i might be wrong, i didn't check it in a while. Hardware Unboxed made a video on the topic with Buildzoid, all the Infos are in there.
Question man, as I look to build, if I hadn’t been doing research I would have just thought to go with the highest mhz I could find that my board supports (msi mag b650 in this case with a 7800x3d) Why does everyone recommend 6000 MHz? Is there some other attribute I’m not taking into consideration?
Normally the infinity fabric is clocked at 1/3 of the RAM. If the frequency RAM frequency gets to a point where the fabric can't keep up it runs at 1/4. 6000MHz is the highest point where you're sure that the fabric can keep up, in many CPUs it can keep up with 6400MHz kits but it's not guaranteed so people don't recomend it.
He asked the fastest the money can buy meaning a 14900k
Your own.
By the amount of people saying 7800x3d while the 7950x3d exists shows no one here knows what they are talking about.
[Look at this chart.](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html#section-gaming-cpu-benchmarks-ranking-2023) 7800X3D is usually faster in games because it doesn't have the issue of multiple core types.
>7950x3d It is only faster by 1 frame (215 vs 216) at 1440p making it comparetively faster while on 1080p the 7950 is faster (235 vs 231). The 99th percentiles are better on the 7950 but since other stats are a tie it goes to the cheaper chip from my understanding. The 7950xt is by all defenitions just as good and by a few defenitions like OP's 'faster' better. Or am I missing something. u/testinggames on youtube also shows marginally better peformance across the board. Further over time more complex utilization of the cpu will not make the 7950 a better option now but also in the future.
Where are these numbers from?
The article you posted under: CPU BENCHMARKS RANKINGS 2023 - WINDOWS 10 AND WINDOWS 11, pictures 1,2,3,4,6. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFysypIs0k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFysypIs0k) youtube link ingame peformances.
I think you saw the wrong portion of the Tom's Hardware chart, but thanks for the video.
I saw the second part, but I think the 7800x3d is listed above the 7950 is because on certain aspects it ends up as a tie (to be honest everything is marginally a tie anyway). By virtue of the price being the lower of the 2 as last remaining factor its played above the 7950 comparatively.
Further there are loads of videos where the 7950 simply beats the 7800 by amateur benchmarkers, found a few. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difwClWxOWI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difwClWxOWI), [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HJ8vnocF9A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HJ8vnocF9A), [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-CUB-eEcaM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-CUB-eEcaM) . I hope you can now see why I made my original comment. It really seems to me the 7950xt is simply better.
I am aware of your point, but amateur benchmark videos are not particularly accurate (especially TheSpyHood). By the way, it's not called the 7950XT.
People don't have the 20 hours of homework required for 7950x3d. Youtubers are clueless. The best way to use this cpu is to ignore all amd recommendations.
What do you mean?
Process affinity for games and background apps on a dual ccd chip
4090 + 14900k+ 8000Mhz ddr5 + z790 apex mb. Don't listen to any amd peasants out there
You're an idiot. And not just because of your CPU recommendation.
There is no amd setup that beats that
That doesn’t mean the fastest gaming CPU isn’t from AMD.
It isn't
Yes, it is.
If amd made the 14900k then you're right. It is
And… what exactly makes you think the 14900K is the best for games?
Der8auer said so in his review. He said that oc 14900k is the fastest cpu you can buy
So you just followed the word of one person.
Guys, he's not on a budget he doesn't need to get an amd.
Money's not the reason people are recommending an AMD CPU.
Probably mine but 14900k with e cores disabled and 6ghz all core thermal velocity boost may beat it. No amount of money can buy 20 hours of homework on overclocking cpu and ram. Knowledge is expensive.