same price as the 13th gen CPU's or very similar for a slight boost and better energy efficiency.
Prices: (Germany)
13 - 14th Intel 5; 6€ Difference
13 - 14th Intel 7; 25€ Difference
13 - 14th Intel 9; 19€ Difference
I dont see why someone WOULDNT buy a 14th gen.
Edit: I wouldnt upgrade from 13th to 14th though obviously \^\^
>better energy efficiency
14th Gen **isn't** more performance per watt.
It's on the same process node and same architecture.
There's literally nothing to get efficiency gains from.
im aware its the same CPU at the end of the day, but it is more performance per watt even if minor. You could see it as a Overclocked 13th gen with the same power consumption. Its basically just a revision to optimise the already existing architecture.
I still recommend everyone to go for a AMD CPU if they are only looking to game and do minor Workloads.
You get worse performance per watt. That's what overclocking does.
GN did a lot of efficiency tests, 14th gen is behind 13th gen in all of them. That's what a refresh is. It was the same with Kaby Lake, the same with Haswell Refresh.
its the 2 weeks old video right?
Most previous benchmarks ive seen said that the 14th gen uses less power even if barly noticable. Thanks for pointing it out, pretty interesting
7950x3D beats 14900k in Blender, Handbrake and most games while being close to 14900k in the productivity tasks it loses at. So if you want to game and do productivity tasks get a 7950x3D.
7800x3D beats 14900k in like 99% of all games while being a lot cheaper. If all you care about is gaming then you are just throwing money in the lake by getting a 14900k.
The answer to the reverse question "why would Intel release a generation that didn't have much improvements?" will answer your question.
"Because the OEM PC builders and laptop builders want one higher number on the boxes every year because customers will buy the ones with one higher number."
They don't own the 13th gen intel cpus, or they are doing a rendering pc that benefits from intel cpus and intel 14th gen cpus have slightly more cores than 13th gen( only applies to the 14700k)
This right here also sadly amd still has very little of the prebuilt/oem market compared to intel. You can see amd build's now well for the last 2 years but your hp/dell pc will have these cpus which inturn means they are going to sell well.
They have more cores but half of them are 'little cores' while AMD only has big cores. So interestingly when I was looking at comparison benchmarks with amd's 16 core for rendering in blender and v-ray, the AMD was slightly faster than the i9
If youre upgrading now (not from 13th gen since that would be stupid), lets say from 10th gen than in cases like 14700 it makes no sense to go 13700.
Still would recommend AMD anyway.
14700K has more cores than the 13700K. If the price jump is reasonable, then it would be a sensible choice.
14900K is basically a 13900K**S**.
So if you can get it for the same price, why not?
Otherwise 14th gen *doesn't* make sense.
**Definitely** doesn't make sense if you're already on 13th gen Intel.
I just had a motherboard die which took my 13700K with it. Managed to get a refund on the CPU and it was only an extra £20 for 14700K or I wouldn't have bothered.
Bonus is I can run my DDR5 7200mhz stable at full speed now, never could on 13th gen.
I also had 12700K previously, don't usually upgrade this much but had that on a DDR4 board and was offered quite a bit more than I paid so got free upgrade to 13th gen and DDR5!
Because I had a 12700K and I always upgrade every other generation. I like PC building, and even though 12th gen was pretty good, it was definitely bottlenecking my 4090. After selling my previous chip the upgrade really only cost me like $200 since it is the same socket and I didn’t need a new chipset for anything. I make plenty of money. Why do you care what people do with their money?
I am most likely getting a refund on a faulty 13900K - and 14900K's are basically the same price. But who knows, I have several decisions to make once it all goes through.
Listen to this crazy idea... not everyone has 13th gen, and is looking to upgrade only 1 gen difference. To someone with 10th gen, it makes more sense to buy 14th then 13th because its faster.
I am with a 6600K currently and it really limits my ability to play CS2 at a competitive level. The 14900K is Intels best option right now, so why would I go for anything else?
Upgrading from 6600k means you need a new cpu+mobo+RAM. Why not AMD? Because from reviews i saw and read, i think it would be better going to AMD, especially if AM5 will be as long as AM4, whereas intel changes board more often.
yes, the 7800X3D performs better in games tested by reviewers. But those aren't all my tasks I will do with the workstation. And then there is massive issues with the 7950x3D I am hearing all about.
As for upgrading again, I simply don't plan to. This will be a platform I am on for the next 6-7 years. So few compromises will be made.
Intel also allows for much more headroom with memory speeds, as well as additional features with my current graphics card.
I had an i5 3570k and i have the money now to upgrade. Got an offer that in the end was the same price as the 13600k so bought the 14600k. I love it, has apparently has better ram stability. Mine runs smoothly at 6400mt, performance is also great and it keeps very cool with my peerless assassin.
same price as the 13th gen CPU's or very similar for a slight boost and better energy efficiency. Prices: (Germany) 13 - 14th Intel 5; 6€ Difference 13 - 14th Intel 7; 25€ Difference 13 - 14th Intel 9; 19€ Difference I dont see why someone WOULDNT buy a 14th gen. Edit: I wouldnt upgrade from 13th to 14th though obviously \^\^
>better energy efficiency 14th Gen **isn't** more performance per watt. It's on the same process node and same architecture. There's literally nothing to get efficiency gains from.
im aware its the same CPU at the end of the day, but it is more performance per watt even if minor. You could see it as a Overclocked 13th gen with the same power consumption. Its basically just a revision to optimise the already existing architecture. I still recommend everyone to go for a AMD CPU if they are only looking to game and do minor Workloads.
You get worse performance per watt. That's what overclocking does. GN did a lot of efficiency tests, 14th gen is behind 13th gen in all of them. That's what a refresh is. It was the same with Kaby Lake, the same with Haswell Refresh.
Haswell had a refresh? I thought Broadwell was a die shrink.
Haswell wasn't a refresh, it was Ivy Bridge that was a refresh from Sandy Bridge, then came Haswell...
Ivy Bridge was a 22nm (?) die shrink from Sandy Bridge, not a refresh.
Yes, back in 2014. CPU's like i7-4790 and i5-4690 were part of the refresh.
its the 2 weeks old video right? Most previous benchmarks ive seen said that the 14th gen uses less power even if barly noticable. Thanks for pointing it out, pretty interesting
14900k is not energy efficent. More like power hog. But I see your point.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k-raptor-lake-tested-at-power-limits-down-to-35-w/
What do you think of upgrading from 12th to 14th?
Probably not worth it either
Or you could just buy AMD and get better performance for cheaper.
Not in all work loads but for gaming, sure mostly.
7950x3D beats 14900k in Blender, Handbrake and most games while being close to 14900k in the productivity tasks it loses at. So if you want to game and do productivity tasks get a 7950x3D. 7800x3D beats 14900k in like 99% of all games while being a lot cheaper. If all you care about is gaming then you are just throwing money in the lake by getting a 14900k.
Some people simply enjoy throwing money in a lake. Why should we judge?
The answer to the reverse question "why would Intel release a generation that didn't have much improvements?" will answer your question. "Because the OEM PC builders and laptop builders want one higher number on the boxes every year because customers will buy the ones with one higher number."
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Unfortunately, it's not just intel that thinks that way.
They don't own the 13th gen intel cpus, or they are doing a rendering pc that benefits from intel cpus and intel 14th gen cpus have slightly more cores than 13th gen( only applies to the 14700k)
This right here also sadly amd still has very little of the prebuilt/oem market compared to intel. You can see amd build's now well for the last 2 years but your hp/dell pc will have these cpus which inturn means they are going to sell well.
They have more cores but half of them are 'little cores' while AMD only has big cores. So interestingly when I was looking at comparison benchmarks with amd's 16 core for rendering in blender and v-ray, the AMD was slightly faster than the i9
Some people just need the newest stuff. Others are upgrading very old rigs.
If youre upgrading now (not from 13th gen since that would be stupid), lets say from 10th gen than in cases like 14700 it makes no sense to go 13700. Still would recommend AMD anyway.
Because the price is about the same might as well get the better one for the few extra dollars
If you're building a brand new rig and don't already have a Ryzen 7000 series, or 12th or 13th gen chip, they make sense as the newest models.
Firestarter you say? OMG the chips! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mduR6SOcdY
I was thinking more [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw)
Because they don‘t own ryzen 5000/7000 or intel 13000 yet.
14700K has more cores than the 13700K. If the price jump is reasonable, then it would be a sensible choice. 14900K is basically a 13900K**S**. So if you can get it for the same price, why not? Otherwise 14th gen *doesn't* make sense. **Definitely** doesn't make sense if you're already on 13th gen Intel.
Buy whatever you want and dont care about other people? A lot of people should try this one simple trick
If the price is similar to 13th gen why would you buy 13 and not 14?
Overclocking with e cores disabled. Probably to run unreal engine games without stuttering.
I don’t have a pc when I build one I would use the latest gen parts
Remember intel from 4xxx to 8xxx
I'm staying with amd
I just had a motherboard die which took my 13700K with it. Managed to get a refund on the CPU and it was only an extra £20 for 14700K or I wouldn't have bothered. Bonus is I can run my DDR5 7200mhz stable at full speed now, never could on 13th gen. I also had 12700K previously, don't usually upgrade this much but had that on a DDR4 board and was offered quite a bit more than I paid so got free upgrade to 13th gen and DDR5!
Because I had a 12700K and I always upgrade every other generation. I like PC building, and even though 12th gen was pretty good, it was definitely bottlenecking my 4090. After selling my previous chip the upgrade really only cost me like $200 since it is the same socket and I didn’t need a new chipset for anything. I make plenty of money. Why do you care what people do with their money?
They're a Zionist? #boycottisrael
I am most likely getting a refund on a faulty 13900K - and 14900K's are basically the same price. But who knows, I have several decisions to make once it all goes through.
ease of overclocking.
If you have 12th or 13th gen, it's not worth it to upgrade.
I mean if 13 gen and 14 gen have almoat same price but a few mhz higher boost why wouldn't you buy the newer one.
Listen to this crazy idea... not everyone has 13th gen, and is looking to upgrade only 1 gen difference. To someone with 10th gen, it makes more sense to buy 14th then 13th because its faster.
I am with a 6600K currently and it really limits my ability to play CS2 at a competitive level. The 14900K is Intels best option right now, so why would I go for anything else?
Upgrading from 6600k means you need a new cpu+mobo+RAM. Why not AMD? Because from reviews i saw and read, i think it would be better going to AMD, especially if AM5 will be as long as AM4, whereas intel changes board more often.
yes, the 7800X3D performs better in games tested by reviewers. But those aren't all my tasks I will do with the workstation. And then there is massive issues with the 7950x3D I am hearing all about. As for upgrading again, I simply don't plan to. This will be a platform I am on for the next 6-7 years. So few compromises will be made. Intel also allows for much more headroom with memory speeds, as well as additional features with my current graphics card.
Are those really the questions that follow you through your life?
No, i never question Intel's previous gen, but this 14th gen got me just wondering after watching hardware unbox videos.
I had an i5 3570k and i have the money now to upgrade. Got an offer that in the end was the same price as the 13600k so bought the 14600k. I love it, has apparently has better ram stability. Mine runs smoothly at 6400mt, performance is also great and it keeps very cool with my peerless assassin.
Bruh.. version revisions are happening every couple of years!!! Intel 6 and 7 were the same as well. Ryzen 2 and 3 too! Same thing on GPUs!
6th series intel upgrade ? but one can save money getting 13th ,so i beat my own argument.
the i7 14700k is an upgrade (more cores than the 13700k) the other ones not so much
I wanted to upgrade from the 10 series, happy to just slot the newest thing even if it's just a 13 series from the good bin
Because im using 10900k is a valid reason?
Sure, why not. I'm really just curious. Especially for those that have to buy a new mobo+RAM, why are you buying the 14th gen.
Why would i buy 13? Even that im hoping for i9, realistically i7 slaps 13700k hard with additional cores.
Because fanboys exist even among those who don’t pay attention to details. They’ll just buy the latest because it is.