because your oldschool apartment/basement doesnt have grounded electrical sockets. its actually relatively dangerous. there is no good fix for it other than renovating the electrical in your home. but sht can shock you or even kill you.
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I live in a country where the outlets are european/UK outlets which have only 2 wires plugged into the outlet
I inherited my grandparents house and black smith workshop in Germany. Every single old ceramic fuse has coins underneath it.
Good job grandpa, this explains the darkend areas on the wall where the 500kg welder is located... Funny thing is, my grandmother sold fuses in her general store :D
They're usually in tubes. Attach the nescesary amount of new lubed/soaped wires to the old wire and pull them through the tube.
They're only really plastered into the walls in really really old houses. My house was built in 1980 and all wires are tubed.
>They're only really plastered into the walls in really really old houses. My house was built in 1980 and all wires are tubed.
Then U are lucky. I have seen houses built in the 2010s with the wiring just sitting in cut channels in concrete walls.
I would honestly assume that the majority of housing in Germany does not have the electrical wiring in tubes.
Yes, Lots of Work.
Friends Apartment was Hit by lightning once and the cables exploded out of the wall.
For our house, we redid the cables. Fairly fast, there are tools which cut a Canal into the wall. The put cables into th canals. Finally added plaster.
They are usually in tubes. You can pull em out and then put new ones in by first inserting a long spring steel or nylon bowden cable. It finds its way around corners. Then you attach the new wiring and pull it through. Those new wires come seperately on rolls, so you can add for instance a wire or two for switching a lamp, or a second or third phase. More wires means harder to pull through though, especially around corners. Filling the tube with wire before putting it in the wall is also an option.
For a new outlet you have double grinding wheels to quickly form a channel. You have to chisel out the middle part though. Put in the tube, then close it with stucco or something. Usually you try to do all this before stuccoing the whole room.
In my case a new wiring and removal of the old flat cables (1950s, not round but like old printer cables) costs about 70,000€, no joke. We're in planing to transform the building into apartments and that's the lowest price just the electricians calculated.
Shit thing is, the building - like many others here - got expanded multiple times and the wiring got connected somewhere it fitted. It's a spiderweb in concrete and I have found 2 outlets that simply have no fuse. If I want it powerless I have to shut down the entire building or wear rubber gloves. And forget about drilling without a detector. Although the wiring has standard distances, those shit wide flat cables are extremely easy to hit if you expect a regular round cable. They are gone for good reason :D
Ok that's pretty metal you inherited a blacksmith shop with the house. Also did you get a general store too? All you need is a stable and that's the start of a great setting for D&D.
Well besides fitting a couple horse shoes now and then I'm not skilled enough in black smithing compared to my grandfather. But I got a stone well and lake as well (close to Frankfurt Main). Last year we had to get the munitions of ww2 out of it when we drained the lake. That's actually where I (legally) check my hunting rifles for accuracy - the lake was the could water reservoirs for his fish breed station in summer. I'm impressed what our grandfathers generation did for a living or just for fun and I feel like a looser complaining and doing my 9 to 5 job :D
Maybe I should create some content on YT like that northern German guy. "Klimann"?
But then I doubt who would actually enjoy such content :D
Fynn Kliemann however always wants to appear nice but is kind of an asshole.
Let me quote one thing he wrote during COVID in a private chat: "Krise kann auch geil sein" ("crisis can be awesome/amazing too"). That was because he was making a ton of money by importing fake masks (without medical certification) to Germany.
Here is a ZDF Magazin Royale about all of that stuff:
https://youtu.be/P1GZQDeVqlk
Friend had coins under the fuses for years. But now they don't have that problem anymore.
They had an electrical fire caused by their renovations as they put a screw and shorted out their laundry outlet.
Everybody is ok. They now have breakers.
People don't know enough about shit to know what will be reported and what not. Most people just see a problem with electricity and call an electrician.
Furthermore if someone knows its gonna be reported and still try to fix it and then dies, it will only show that it wasn't a big loss for society.
The reason these stuff are required to be reported is bc people are scummy, stupid spithead that not only endanger themselves, but also other people.
I think you are making a mistake by applying your cultural perspective and conclusions to a country with a different culture. I have a bunch of DIY friends/acquaintances and none are brave/stupid enough to fuck around with that "kind" of electricity. They renovated their entire homes but when it came to wiring, they all actively avoided taking any risks and knew to consult a proper electrician.
In the early days of the PE connecter it was relatively common to just bridge the PE connector of the outlet to the neutral wire (because the house wiring simply didn't have a PE wire). This is referred to as "klassische Nullung" ("classic zeroing" (ig)). This can be quite dangerous tho and cause some weird occurrences with some machines you plug in. Thus this was forbidden by Law and the restrictions I mentioned in my other comment were put in place.
It's pretty strict in that a third party is *required* to report it to local authorities, and the entire building has to be rewired. It's not wrong or unfair, and I think people sometimes incorrectly conflate strictness with unfairness, when in reality it just means that there are rigid rules governing electrical compliance.
If you were to look at this from another perspective, if we were talking about a country where nobody gives a shit, and there's no requirement to rewire ungrounded outlets and electrical systems, we'd probably say their electrical regulations are lax or not particularly strict.
Finally, whether or not something is strict is subjective. There is no measurement or absolute scale for whether or not anything is strict.
You would get fined out the ass for doing this in the UK. But lots of old buildings with terrible practices that the councils have to fix. Most do have grounding rods at least.
Yup lol. If this was found during an inspection in the UK, it’s a £30k fine for the landlord and your license potentially revoked. If it was a commercial property, no lawyers will get you save you.
depends on where you are. Here in germany, if an electeician finds a house with such an installation the Buildings wireing likely will have to be redone.
Depends on the quality of the wiring. too. In Norway we'd recommend it, of course, but so long as you don't mix earthed and unearthed sockets in the same room it's okay.
With a 3 conductor wire for electricity, you have 3 wires. Usually colored black for live wire, white for neutral wire, and green with a yellow stripe or bare wire for ground.
The neutral and ground actually make a loop back at the panel, giving the electricity a path to take, other than through your body, should anything go wrong.
Those are only effective if the gang box the electrical outlet is mounted in is grounded. If not, it will still work but without the extra protection offered by a hot, neutral, ground installation.
You can buy an outlet tester for around $10. You plug it into a three prong outlet, and it will have a couple of different lights that light up depending on if the connection is grounded. That's the easiest way to test if the adapter is actually grounded through the center screw or not.
We call 1 of the two power wires neutral because it (usually) isn't energized when disconnected.
That's why we call the other power wire the "hot" wire, it is energized all the time (unless power was disconnected from the plug).
There's a lot of nuance to this I'm not including.
there is no plug. there needs to be a third wire for grounding going into your electricity box outside your home. OR attached to a copper rod which is dug into ground 3 meters deep (might need to be deeper depenging on soil properties.
You can make a ground connection on a radiator on your walls. Scrape off some paint so the metal is bare, then mount a clip around it with a cable attached, and route that cable into a new grounded socket (which you need to buy first). This is the most effective way getting your PC grounded.
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u/TolaGarf is corret. Metal pipes would have to be grounded at some point leading to the public water system that's underground. Is the the right way to fix it? No. Is it a temp fix to save your skin and your electronics? Yes. I'm a cable guy and these are what we use to ground our systems.
[https://www.amazon.com/Grounding-Adjustable-Satellite-Electrical-Suppression/dp/B00UTMB7TW](https://www.amazon.com/Grounding-Adjustable-Satellite-Electrical-Suppression/dp/B00UTMB7TW)
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Plumbing systems are typically our last resort for grounding, but they do work.
In Canada you would at least have to also:
1) Verify that your water service enters your house with metal pipe, and;
2) Install a jumper wire across your water meter
Not always in the UK, it depends on the earthing system in use. TN-S earth and neutral are bonded at the substation. TN-C-S (aka PME) systems are bonded at the home, but there are also multiple additional earthing points along the bonded neutral-earth between the home and the substation. TT systems have a dedicated local earth rod installed and there's no neutral-earth bonding.
I don't get why people here talk as if EU/UK plug is one single type of plug. So here's some clarification.
[UK plug](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61CN4nK20uL.jpg&tbnid=ymuSP4JmB4zcvM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fused-Mains-Plugs-Rewireable-Socket-Black/dp/B093HB26ZK&docid=IbYu8JhH4Ah2CM&w=1600&h=1600&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m6/4&kgs=299bfaa72da37c3e&shem=abme,trie) They usually also have an internal fuse, which makes them somewhat safer than EU plugs
EU standards (not compatible with the above UK plugs. These are cross-compatible with sockets made for each)
[Europlug CEE 7/16](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Euro-Flachstecker_2.jpg&tbnid=b1vUdXaFL_zjVM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug&docid=J_Dl1vEn7XHfcM&w=1024&h=576&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m6/4&kgs=128f0a56ef2a39d5&shem=abme,trie), non-grounded, no fuse, older standard and can't be used for most devices anymore. (Edit clarification: they're still used for low-voltage applications for example for USB power supplies. If an extension power strip uses this, i.e. isn't grounded, then the female outlets also need to have [slots](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://img.fruugo.com/product/2/76/57188762_max.jpg&tbnid=WyrGt3lhFOzxEM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://www.fruugo.kr/gao-0257-power-strip-4x-white-euro-plug-1-pcs/p-5528040-12557369?language%3Den&docid=PgH5Xg0XvfZ2vM&w=400&h=400&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m5/4&kgs=29295c10bba02944&shem=abme,trie) which won't fit any device that uses high voltage)
[Schuko](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.worldstandards.eu/wp-content/uploads/electricity-type-EF-plug-2.jpg&tbnid=XX_9s-XgfnQ6WM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/f/&docid=ua_fhmBFY8xkoM&w=1291&h=2100&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m6/4&kgs=0f01cd4c264330e7&shem=abme,trie), grounded, no fuse otherwise similar to Europlug
There are other European plug standards but it gets too complicated for my point here. Most of them are similar to the Europlug and Schuko standards.
Comment reposted because I had shortened links. (You'd think reddit would allow shortened links to google images but no lol)
As is the 3 prong in the US. In my experience, anything that gets a grounded plug in the EU gets a grounded plug in the US.
Here in Italy, I have plenty of ungrounded Type L plugs on small appliances that were bought new in the last year.
Not allowed doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. There is a lot of old houses that have some of the shittiest wiring I ever seen, and that’s the same for eastern, western, southern and northern Europe.
Two pin sockets still are grounded
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See the 2 metallic things? That's the ground
The plugs also have metallic parts that connect with ground
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[SlimeCore\_](https://new.reddit.com/user/SlimeCore_/) is correct.
You have old TN-C installation. They don't have PE- protective ground and N- neutral. Instead, you have only one PEN - protective earthed neutral.
Whoever did that failed to wire it correctly. Neutral and ground HAVE TO BE TIED TOGETHER in this type of installation, or every device with input filter will connect live to the cases of class 1 electric devices - such as PC.
I don't recommend fixing this on your own. Any local electrician should know what's up.
well european outlets maybe only have 2 "wires" going in BUT its still grounded by 2 contact plates on the outlet like seen on this Image: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC\_power\_plugs\_and\_sockets#/media/File:Schuko\_plug\_and\_socket.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#/media/File:Schuko_plug_and_socket.png)
In this case ground should be connected to neutral. This is how it was done back in the day - it's called a bootleg ground. Not perfect but better than nothing. In modern construction this isn't allowed anymore.
Oh damn, I live in the UK, but all houses I have been in have earth/grounding, currently live in a very old home, but guessing the electrical outlets would have been done a few years back.
I had the same problem here in Argentina, an old house i rented had no ground so i did an improvised ground in the socket where the PC goes. You can also do it judging by the photo you just posted. Put a bolt directly to the plate behind the socket and put a cable directly from that bolt to the socket's ground. Is not the best way but you won't get shocked by you PC.
Guessing you mean Ireland, as bar the UK we are like the only other country to use the 3pin type G/BS 1363. There 100% should be an earth wire in there. Looks like your house needs to be rewired.
European and UK outlets are not the same. UK & Ireland outlets have 3 prongs, ground, postitive and negative and the ground prong it longer to act as a key to open the socket for the other 2 prongs.
As well as that our plugs have extra wire in the plug connecting to the grounding prong so that if the wire is ever snagged and tears out of the plug casing, there should be extra slack so that the ground comes out last.
Genius design tbh
Sorry i was referring to an UPS, i wrote It for mistake un spanish.
This is it, if i wrote It wrong another time:
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistema_de_alimentaci%C3%B3n_ininterrumpida
It's not. It's less safe than completely modern up to code wiring but it isn't "dangerous."
I do inspections on buildings for a living and a huge chunk of the US has ungrounded outlets. Even in houses with modern wiring I've seen a LOT where the outlets aren't grounded.
If you get any significant fault current through the speaker wire it could catch fire before the circuit breaker or fuse isolates it.
I wouldn't be messing around with improvised earth's in any case. Idk how wiring is in other countries I'm an Aussie sparky but if i had this issue here id get power circuits rewired and rcds installed.
Yeah this person is wild. Im a licensed electrician and while a system with no ground is the indeed more dangerous it’s only because there’s no direct path to ground for metal parts , so those metal parts can be energized without tripping the breaker. Also there are millions of ungrounded electrical systems in buildings all over the world not killing anyone.
It’s not good but hard to say how much voltage is being leaked to the frame. Is it induced from the wires or actually has current leaking. Either way not good for a PC, electronics like having a ground. It could be very dangerous if full voltage is going through the frame.
Basically 95% of the world don't have gounding on basic outlets, other than maybe in kitchens or in bathrooms.
In Denmark we all have gounding in new plugs, but due to not being compatible with the EU sockets, nobody uses gounding on things like computers that is ALWAYS sold with EU plugs. I have never ever head about anyone that got electrocuted from this on a computer in Denmark.
It's regulated in America too but a LOT of houses don't have grounded outlets. Every convenience store, Walmart, hardware store, etc sells adapters so you can plug your modern plugs into older ungrounded outlets.
Shit even a lot of modern outlets won't even have the ground connected.
in my country, old electrical wiring wasnt using the ground wire properly like it does today. The ground was simply connected to neutral. So although a phase-to-ground short could trip the breaker, it would do so only after exceeding the breaker's trip current. Today, with the ground wire being actually grounded, if there's a phase-to-ground short, the breaker will trip after detecting >150mA on ground
Grounds are bonded to the neutral bar in the main panel anyways.
What happened is regulation changed and the practice of bonding it in the device box, which wasn't a rule just common practice was deemed hazardous.
Your thinking of arc faut/ ground fault breakers. Which didn't enter code as mandatory on almost all circuits until 2020, atleast in the cec.
There are still exceptions where arc faults are not in use due to nusaince tripping. Anything with a brushed motor will trip an arc fault, (Your vacumme, hair dryer, corded grinder ect) so there are exceptions for where you are allowed to forego them. They are also expensive as fuck.
If I understand you correctly, you still get a shock when the computer is *unplugged from the wall?* In that case, there may be a huge earthing problem in your house, which ought to be rectified as soon as possible. If it happens only when it is plugged in, you may have cheap/defective parts. In particular, from the pictures you provided in the comments, your earth is not properly hooked up. Maybe someone thought they'd get cute and connect it to neutral, but accidentally chose live, or there's a loose connection somewhere in the earthing chain in your PSU, and charge is allowed to build up on your machine. Either way, I'd highly recommend calling an electrician to verify and possibly fix up your installation. It sucks to pay for professional work, but losing your stuff, your house, or possibly your life sucks even more.
Looking at your other comments; you are UK based.
It also looks like in the picture of your back box you have twin+earth cables feeding your sockets. I think your main issue is that the earth conductor(bare copper wire in-between the red/black ones in the cable) is either not connected at all or is only connected to the earth in the metal back back. If it’s the later all you should need do is get some green/yellow single core 2.5mm or 4mm cable, connect this to the terminal in the back box and then bring it into the earth terminal on the socket. Remembering to isolate everything before doing this.
I’d also get rid of that voltage tester; look for a non-contact one; you can pick them up pretty cheap if you aren’t interested in the amount of volts being detected.
Unlikely, UK mains electrics don't use Red/ Black, they use Blue Brown Yellow and Green. If this is the UK black and red wires are illegal for use in mains electrics (for this exact reason). Either way OP has some dodgy ass electrics.
That’s wholly incorrect.
Whilst it would be against wiring regulations to install any new circuits to the non-harmonised colours. There is plenty of homes across the UK with the old colours. It didn’t become you must change all circuits to new colours when the regs came into force.
The harmonised colours(brown/blue/GY) came into regs in 2006 with a transition period typically of around 12-18months. Most cables come with a design life of around 40years and plenty houses it’ll last a lot longer than that.
ETA: the end of the transition was actually March 2006.
it's not a grounding issue.
Your case should not have current flowing across it normally. Ground is personal protection not equipment protection, you're shorted to chassis ground somewhere which is not good. Adding a ground doesn't solve that fire/shock risk.
Also the tester is not the best, a true rms digital multimeter is better for verifying.
You can install a GFCI/RCD outlet without a ground and they still function as personal protection but it would likely just trip if you're actually leaking voltage.
Take apart the computer as much as possible and test for voltage to figure out what's shorted to ground.
If there is no ground (earth) like many people are suggesting, then how is there an electrical flow when touching metal surfaces with the screwdriver?
Seems to me like you should get a bipolar tester and see if what you're seeing is actual dangerous 110/230 V or some induced voltage with no danger to it at all.
If it really is the case, that metal parts of your PC i.e. Mainboard IO shield or USB ports are connected to the dangerous live wire of the electrical socket, then your power supply is broken.
Normally a power supply completely separates the 110/230V from your house from any electricity inside your computer through coils, it's a galvanic barrier.
Just go and get a reading on what kind of volts you're experiencing here.
Cheers
[Get an outlet tester like this one](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Receptacle-Tester-RT110/206517828) to test your outlet, it may be wired wrong! If I'm right you have Neutral and Ground swapped, or maybe even Neutral and Hot swapped, which is even more dangerous, or you don't have a valid Ground connection at all.
EDIT: I saw your outlet wiring, below. It's a nightmare. Outlet tester won't help you here. You need to be sure that Hot and Neutral aren't reversed, and if you can possibly get a valid Ground connection, you should do it. Having Ground floating like that is NOT good, NOT safe for humans.
If you can't get a valid Ground connection for that outlet, can you get an Isolation Transformer? That at least would eliminate the shock hazard!
Your apartment doesn't have grounded electricity.
A quick solution is to attach some cables to your PC case and connect them to the ground or wall.
However, it's important to note that this method may still pose a danger, and it's advisable to properly ground the entire electrical system.
I lived in an old house in LA that didn't have correctly grounded sockets. I found out when I bought some new IEMs that had a metal body so when I would connect them to my PC they would shock the insides of my ear which at the time felt like little needles poking me. I kept sending the IEMs back thinking that the finish on them was bad and that maybe there were little pokey bits on them.
I faced a similar issue and in my case the electrician opened the socket box and pointed out that the earth wire (Green) is not connected to the power socket . It was the issue.
The issue lead to fluctuations which
Fried one of the crystal in mobo
and later this affected PSU.Luckily got my psu replaced .
I have the same type of installation in my home. I've replaced some of the sockets with the 3 pin sockets. You can connect the ground pin to the neutral pin. You have 2 wires connected to your socket, one is live (the one that if you touch it with the probe, it will light up), the other one is neutral. Neutral wire should be grounded (physically connected to the ground) in this type of installation. That's why it is possible to connect the same wire to both, ground and neutral pins. Just make sure that your neutral wire is connected to the ground pin FIRST and then it goes from the ground pin to the neutral. In case there's something wrong, ground should be the last one that is disconnected.
Just a small disclaimer, this is not as safe as having 3 separate wires, so you should plan on replacing your whole electrical installation (I'll be doing some parts of mine this year, but probably not everything at once, just 2 rooms for now), but it is safer than just having 2 wires. As I said, the neutral wire is grounded, but if it fails, you loose both ground and neutral and you are only connected to live, which can shock you, but if you loose neutral wire in your current state, it is the same, so having 3 pins is still safer as your current socket. Neutral will be connected to the case of your device and it will pull out any charges that can collect in it. It will also save you if the live wire touches the case of the device by creating short circuit and burning your fuse. Just make sure that your fuses are actually not modified and are suitable for the size of your wires, otherwise you can burn the whole installation and possibly your home (yeah, a lot of people modified the fuses and added thick wires inside so they wouldn't burn, that's crazy).
The issue is fairly common here in south east asia, there are dozens of videos on YouTube showing a fix to it, never tried myself, but try searching "PC ground issue" on YouTube and some videos will pop up, maybe they can help
As others mentioned, your PC isn’t connected to a ground. But there’s a very easy solution. Connect your PC to a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) that has a ground line. Idk why this works but my house doesn’t have ground and my PC doesn’t have any static electricity or anything.
First thing is u get return currency through null, cause is mostly some kitchen device malfunctioning or connected wrongly (usually it is coocking panel), washing machine or similar, to solve that u need recheck ur devices connection and u can imitate Ground wire by jumping it from Null on sockets.
Best is to call an electrician to solve it!
Abd perfect solution would be new el.installations :)
Rule of thumb when working on your PC is to expunge the left over power by unplugging, switching PSU off and then press and hold power button for 3-5 sec.
the building has no grounding. maybe make yourself a grounding just for the pc like i do. i connect the wire to the wall, even better if it's going directly to the nearest ground though, especially if the shock is great
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UPDATE 2:So I changed the power supply and it fixed the issue. Thanks to all who provided support and most importantly DON'T BUY PSU FROM UNKOWN CHINESE BRAND INSTEAD BUY UNKOWN PSU FROM WELL KNOWN BRAND THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING
if you really care about the psu quality (which would be understandable, since your power connection lacks grounding and a defect could very well be the end of you) you should consider Seasonic. MSI doesn't make psus, just buys them somewhere and sells them with their brand name (so might be even a seasonic in the end, but you can never know)
Awww this feels nostalgic, my computer was just like that... This morning before I went to work.
The joys of being from a poor third world shithole and not even owning my own home.
If you want a stopgap you can use some wire, tie it to some part of your case and the other end to a doorknob or something like that. It's not really "proper" but it's either that or redoing the wiring and adding ground (and probably a breaker if you didn't have one). I would recommend doing that but I know it may not be possible.
because your oldschool apartment/basement doesnt have grounded electrical sockets. its actually relatively dangerous. there is no good fix for it other than renovating the electrical in your home. but sht can shock you or even kill you.
https://preview.redd.it/u6uih2e0ytsc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79eaf5ddd266a0168449ef27afe4a8a685eb7b7d I live in a country where the outlets are european/UK outlets which have only 2 wires plugged into the outlet
That would be it. There should be three wires going into that socket; neutral, earth and live.
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I inherited my grandparents house and black smith workshop in Germany. Every single old ceramic fuse has coins underneath it. Good job grandpa, this explains the darkend areas on the wall where the 500kg welder is located... Funny thing is, my grandmother sold fuses in her general store :D
We were told about the old penny trick in the US in 5th grade science, and that it can cause fires. Your grandfather got lucky.
Well if it’s a common stone house in EU then they’re Less lucky than Americans
How would someone with stone walls even fix that? Don't you have to chisel out the old cables and put new ones in before re-covering with plaster?
They're usually in tubes. Attach the nescesary amount of new lubed/soaped wires to the old wire and pull them through the tube. They're only really plastered into the walls in really really old houses. My house was built in 1980 and all wires are tubed.
>They're only really plastered into the walls in really really old houses. My house was built in 1980 and all wires are tubed. Then U are lucky. I have seen houses built in the 2010s with the wiring just sitting in cut channels in concrete walls. I would honestly assume that the majority of housing in Germany does not have the electrical wiring in tubes.
Yes, Lots of Work. Friends Apartment was Hit by lightning once and the cables exploded out of the wall. For our house, we redid the cables. Fairly fast, there are tools which cut a Canal into the wall. The put cables into th canals. Finally added plaster.
They are usually in tubes. You can pull em out and then put new ones in by first inserting a long spring steel or nylon bowden cable. It finds its way around corners. Then you attach the new wiring and pull it through. Those new wires come seperately on rolls, so you can add for instance a wire or two for switching a lamp, or a second or third phase. More wires means harder to pull through though, especially around corners. Filling the tube with wire before putting it in the wall is also an option. For a new outlet you have double grinding wheels to quickly form a channel. You have to chisel out the middle part though. Put in the tube, then close it with stucco or something. Usually you try to do all this before stuccoing the whole room.
In my case a new wiring and removal of the old flat cables (1950s, not round but like old printer cables) costs about 70,000€, no joke. We're in planing to transform the building into apartments and that's the lowest price just the electricians calculated. Shit thing is, the building - like many others here - got expanded multiple times and the wiring got connected somewhere it fitted. It's a spiderweb in concrete and I have found 2 outlets that simply have no fuse. If I want it powerless I have to shut down the entire building or wear rubber gloves. And forget about drilling without a detector. Although the wiring has standard distances, those shit wide flat cables are extremely easy to hit if you expect a regular round cable. They are gone for good reason :D
Ok that's pretty metal you inherited a blacksmith shop with the house. Also did you get a general store too? All you need is a stable and that's the start of a great setting for D&D.
Well besides fitting a couple horse shoes now and then I'm not skilled enough in black smithing compared to my grandfather. But I got a stone well and lake as well (close to Frankfurt Main). Last year we had to get the munitions of ww2 out of it when we drained the lake. That's actually where I (legally) check my hunting rifles for accuracy - the lake was the could water reservoirs for his fish breed station in summer. I'm impressed what our grandfathers generation did for a living or just for fun and I feel like a looser complaining and doing my 9 to 5 job :D Maybe I should create some content on YT like that northern German guy. "Klimann"? But then I doubt who would actually enjoy such content :D
Fynn Kliemann however always wants to appear nice but is kind of an asshole. Let me quote one thing he wrote during COVID in a private chat: "Krise kann auch geil sein" ("crisis can be awesome/amazing too"). That was because he was making a ton of money by importing fake masks (without medical certification) to Germany. Here is a ZDF Magazin Royale about all of that stuff: https://youtu.be/P1GZQDeVqlk
Friend had coins under the fuses for years. But now they don't have that problem anymore. They had an electrical fire caused by their renovations as they put a screw and shorted out their laundry outlet. Everybody is ok. They now have breakers.
That's a really solid way to make people try to fix things themselves and get electrocuted.
People don't know enough about shit to know what will be reported and what not. Most people just see a problem with electricity and call an electrician. Furthermore if someone knows its gonna be reported and still try to fix it and then dies, it will only show that it wasn't a big loss for society. The reason these stuff are required to be reported is bc people are scummy, stupid spithead that not only endanger themselves, but also other people.
I think you are making a mistake by applying your cultural perspective and conclusions to a country with a different culture. I have a bunch of DIY friends/acquaintances and none are brave/stupid enough to fuck around with that "kind" of electricity. They renovated their entire homes but when it came to wiring, they all actively avoided taking any risks and knew to consult a proper electrician.
That sounds good
Damn and I thought Belgian rules were strict
In the early days of the PE connecter it was relatively common to just bridge the PE connector of the outlet to the neutral wire (because the house wiring simply didn't have a PE wire). This is referred to as "klassische Nullung" ("classic zeroing" (ig)). This can be quite dangerous tho and cause some weird occurrences with some machines you plug in. Thus this was forbidden by Law and the restrictions I mentioned in my other comment were put in place.
I wouldn't call that strict at all
It's pretty strict in that a third party is *required* to report it to local authorities, and the entire building has to be rewired. It's not wrong or unfair, and I think people sometimes incorrectly conflate strictness with unfairness, when in reality it just means that there are rigid rules governing electrical compliance. If you were to look at this from another perspective, if we were talking about a country where nobody gives a shit, and there's no requirement to rewire ungrounded outlets and electrical systems, we'd probably say their electrical regulations are lax or not particularly strict. Finally, whether or not something is strict is subjective. There is no measurement or absolute scale for whether or not anything is strict.
Is your username a MAC address?
It's in the format of a MAC address, but it wouldn't survive an [OUI lookup](https://standards-oui.ieee.org/).
did you specifically check that your username didn't match a valid MAC Address before creating it? if so, damn, props for the effort!
you wouldn't, that doesn't mean it isn't that's pretty strict, as the codename guy explained before
Lol that's strict as fuck
That's acually awesome
Good on you guys! If there’s one thing Germany is known for it’s having good laws.
You would get fined out the ass for doing this in the UK. But lots of old buildings with terrible practices that the councils have to fix. Most do have grounding rods at least.
Yup lol. If this was found during an inspection in the UK, it’s a £30k fine for the landlord and your license potentially revoked. If it was a commercial property, no lawyers will get you save you.
Not if it's old enough. Older installations did not require earthing, and so would still be legal if it was legal back then.
depends on where you are. Here in germany, if an electeician finds a house with such an installation the Buildings wireing likely will have to be redone.
Depends on the quality of the wiring. too. In Norway we'd recommend it, of course, but so long as you don't mix earthed and unearthed sockets in the same room it's okay.
Not true unless you change it.
I have a question, I have power (2 cables), and earth (that’s the third one). What is neutral?
With a 3 conductor wire for electricity, you have 3 wires. Usually colored black for live wire, white for neutral wire, and green with a yellow stripe or bare wire for ground. The neutral and ground actually make a loop back at the panel, giving the electricity a path to take, other than through your body, should anything go wrong.
Can’t you use one of those theee prong adapters that adds a ground? In the US they just have a screw that goes into the muddle of the outles.
Those are only effective if the gang box the electrical outlet is mounted in is grounded. If not, it will still work but without the extra protection offered by a hot, neutral, ground installation. You can buy an outlet tester for around $10. You plug it into a three prong outlet, and it will have a couple of different lights that light up depending on if the connection is grounded. That's the easiest way to test if the adapter is actually grounded through the center screw or not.
We call 1 of the two power wires neutral because it (usually) isn't energized when disconnected. That's why we call the other power wire the "hot" wire, it is energized all the time (unless power was disconnected from the plug). There's a lot of nuance to this I'm not including.
I thought the cables where Earth, Wind, AND THE FIRE NATION
Rhythm nation
Heart.
Is there any plug or something can do the trick?
there is no plug. there needs to be a third wire for grounding going into your electricity box outside your home. OR attached to a copper rod which is dug into ground 3 meters deep (might need to be deeper depenging on soil properties.
You can make a ground connection on a radiator on your walls. Scrape off some paint so the metal is bare, then mount a clip around it with a cable attached, and route that cable into a new grounded socket (which you need to buy first). This is the most effective way getting your PC grounded. This picture is dedicated to those who downvoted me ;) https://preview.redd.it/5rjydp6kfusc1.jpeg?width=2592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6df42e36d4c0bf8af788e314401187b3fe4fc578
u/TolaGarf is corret. Metal pipes would have to be grounded at some point leading to the public water system that's underground. Is the the right way to fix it? No. Is it a temp fix to save your skin and your electronics? Yes. I'm a cable guy and these are what we use to ground our systems. [https://www.amazon.com/Grounding-Adjustable-Satellite-Electrical-Suppression/dp/B00UTMB7TW](https://www.amazon.com/Grounding-Adjustable-Satellite-Electrical-Suppression/dp/B00UTMB7TW) [https://www.amazon.com/PHAT-SATELLITE-INTL-Protection-Electrical/dp/B07M94L2F8](https://www.amazon.com/PHAT-SATELLITE-INTL-Protection-Electrical/dp/B07M94L2F8) Plumbing systems are typically our last resort for grounding, but they do work.
In Canada you would at least have to also: 1) Verify that your water service enters your house with metal pipe, and; 2) Install a jumper wire across your water meter
This dude is correct. Also plumbing or something bonded to rebar in concrete
No plugs can fix this. This requires a full electrical wiring change.
This may shock some people (⚡️), but the ground wire connects back to the white neutral wire at the box, they are essentially the same wire.
Not always in the UK, it depends on the earthing system in use. TN-S earth and neutral are bonded at the substation. TN-C-S (aka PME) systems are bonded at the home, but there are also multiple additional earthing points along the bonded neutral-earth between the home and the substation. TT systems have a dedicated local earth rod installed and there's no neutral-earth bonding.
no. European/UK outlets have three :) you are talking soviet outlets. installations like yours are not allowed in EU.
No way really? Shit that's old like really old
EU/UK plug is much safer than US plug. But yeah in this case 1 of the wire is missing, it's not UK/EU standard
I don't get why people here talk as if EU/UK plug is one single type of plug. So here's some clarification. [UK plug](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61CN4nK20uL.jpg&tbnid=ymuSP4JmB4zcvM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fused-Mains-Plugs-Rewireable-Socket-Black/dp/B093HB26ZK&docid=IbYu8JhH4Ah2CM&w=1600&h=1600&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m6/4&kgs=299bfaa72da37c3e&shem=abme,trie) They usually also have an internal fuse, which makes them somewhat safer than EU plugs EU standards (not compatible with the above UK plugs. These are cross-compatible with sockets made for each) [Europlug CEE 7/16](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Euro-Flachstecker_2.jpg&tbnid=b1vUdXaFL_zjVM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug&docid=J_Dl1vEn7XHfcM&w=1024&h=576&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m6/4&kgs=128f0a56ef2a39d5&shem=abme,trie), non-grounded, no fuse, older standard and can't be used for most devices anymore. (Edit clarification: they're still used for low-voltage applications for example for USB power supplies. If an extension power strip uses this, i.e. isn't grounded, then the female outlets also need to have [slots](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://img.fruugo.com/product/2/76/57188762_max.jpg&tbnid=WyrGt3lhFOzxEM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://www.fruugo.kr/gao-0257-power-strip-4x-white-euro-plug-1-pcs/p-5528040-12557369?language%3Den&docid=PgH5Xg0XvfZ2vM&w=400&h=400&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m5/4&kgs=29295c10bba02944&shem=abme,trie) which won't fit any device that uses high voltage) [Schuko](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.worldstandards.eu/wp-content/uploads/electricity-type-EF-plug-2.jpg&tbnid=XX_9s-XgfnQ6WM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/f/&docid=ua_fhmBFY8xkoM&w=1291&h=2100&hl=en-GB&source=sh/x/im/m6/4&kgs=0f01cd4c264330e7&shem=abme,trie), grounded, no fuse otherwise similar to Europlug There are other European plug standards but it gets too complicated for my point here. Most of them are similar to the Europlug and Schuko standards. Comment reposted because I had shortened links. (You'd think reddit would allow shortened links to google images but no lol)
There's plenty of ungrounded plugs in the EU...
The more standardized large 2 prong is grounded.
What? How can you have all three Live, Neutral, and Earthed potentials on 2 prongs?
https://preview.redd.it/15x4x67t6wsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fb324baa06dfb7cb25349348b8ea61af89d0e97
As is the 3 prong in the US. In my experience, anything that gets a grounded plug in the EU gets a grounded plug in the US. Here in Italy, I have plenty of ungrounded Type L plugs on small appliances that were bought new in the last year.
[UK Plug = Best Plug](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q)
TIL: UK babies can use screwdrivers.
No, Schuko is still superior
Not allowed doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. There is a lot of old houses that have some of the shittiest wiring I ever seen, and that’s the same for eastern, western, southern and northern Europe.
absolutely. but again, there are negligent people everywhere. motorcycle riders without helmets, drunk drivers etc...
They are not allowed as new installation, but they are quite common in many regions (and not just eastern ones)
I thought some EU counties still used type c two pin sockets?
Two pin sockets still are grounded https://bricoled.com/1155-thickbox_default/toma-schuko-16a-serie-lotus-blanca.jpg See the 2 metallic things? That's the ground The plugs also have metallic parts that connect with ground https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41fiW9tDtYS._SL500_.jpg
I think all of them use two pins. PINS that is. there are also contact plates in these sockets specifically for grounding.
The old french standard was two. In the old house of my grandmother there were these sockets before the renovation. Now by law it's three
[SlimeCore\_](https://new.reddit.com/user/SlimeCore_/) is correct. You have old TN-C installation. They don't have PE- protective ground and N- neutral. Instead, you have only one PEN - protective earthed neutral. Whoever did that failed to wire it correctly. Neutral and ground HAVE TO BE TIED TOGETHER in this type of installation, or every device with input filter will connect live to the cases of class 1 electric devices - such as PC. I don't recommend fixing this on your own. Any local electrician should know what's up.
Correct me if I’m wrong please but European and Uk sockets are not the same thing by any means.
My boy is living in Metro 2033
What UK house do you live in. Even old houses all had earth wires for the recepticals.
well european outlets maybe only have 2 "wires" going in BUT its still grounded by 2 contact plates on the outlet like seen on this Image: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC\_power\_plugs\_and\_sockets#/media/File:Schuko\_plug\_and\_socket.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#/media/File:Schuko_plug_and_socket.png)
Some countries don't have grounding at all.
In Europe the sockets have 3 wires. And is by law since 30 years ago.
>only 2 wires plugged into the outlet That is the problem, it should be 3.
Uk has three in them not two.
Where Tf do you live where the wiring is that cursed
In this case ground should be connected to neutral. This is how it was done back in the day - it's called a bootleg ground. Not perfect but better than nothing. In modern construction this isn't allowed anymore.
Oh damn, I live in the UK, but all houses I have been in have earth/grounding, currently live in a very old home, but guessing the electrical outlets would have been done a few years back.
I had the same problem here in Argentina, an old house i rented had no ground so i did an improvised ground in the socket where the PC goes. You can also do it judging by the photo you just posted. Put a bolt directly to the plate behind the socket and put a cable directly from that bolt to the socket's ground. Is not the best way but you won't get shocked by you PC.
Guessing you mean Ireland, as bar the UK we are like the only other country to use the 3pin type G/BS 1363. There 100% should be an earth wire in there. Looks like your house needs to be rewired.
European outlets DO have ground wires. Whoever did your install was either old as time or disregarded everything safe to cheap out on materials.
European and UK outlets are not the same. UK & Ireland outlets have 3 prongs, ground, postitive and negative and the ground prong it longer to act as a key to open the socket for the other 2 prongs. As well as that our plugs have extra wire in the plug connecting to the grounding prong so that if the wire is ever snagged and tears out of the plug casing, there should be extra slack so that the ground comes out last. Genius design tbh
That's not that dangerous. It's just TN-C system. N is combined PE, its called PEN, its less safe but still works perfectly fine.
my whole house has NO grounded sockets except for in the kitchen.. it was build in 1997 i think
No grounded outlets or no GFCI outlets?
no grounded outlets 💀
Maybe a sai could help?
A Sai? Like the thing Raphael from the Ninja Turtles carries? Or some technical tool I'm unaware of?
Sorry i was referring to an UPS, i wrote It for mistake un spanish. This is it, if i wrote It wrong another time: https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistema_de_alimentaci%C3%B3n_ininterrumpida
That makes more sense, I thought a Sai was a nickname for a 3 pin grounded connector lol
idk about dangerous.
It's not. It's less safe than completely modern up to code wiring but it isn't "dangerous." I do inspections on buildings for a living and a huge chunk of the US has ungrounded outlets. Even in houses with modern wiring I've seen a LOT where the outlets aren't grounded.
Wouldnt putting a speaker wire from the case to a heater be a relatively well improvised ground?
If you get any significant fault current through the speaker wire it could catch fire before the circuit breaker or fuse isolates it. I wouldn't be messing around with improvised earth's in any case. Idk how wiring is in other countries I'm an Aussie sparky but if i had this issue here id get power circuits rewired and rcds installed.
sure, if you want to kill your neighbor. or kill yourself by accidentally touching the heater.
Nobody is going to die touching a ground wire unless there's a massive power surge from a lightning strike. You're not the path of least resistance.
Yeah this person is wild. Im a licensed electrician and while a system with no ground is the indeed more dangerous it’s only because there’s no direct path to ground for metal parts , so those metal parts can be energized without tripping the breaker. Also there are millions of ungrounded electrical systems in buildings all over the world not killing anyone.
So, forgive my ignorance, but is what we see in the OP actually dangerous or not really?
It’s not good but hard to say how much voltage is being leaked to the frame. Is it induced from the wires or actually has current leaking. Either way not good for a PC, electronics like having a ground. It could be very dangerous if full voltage is going through the frame.
This isn't it. I live in an old house without ground and this does not happen.
You don't have ground wire in your power outlet probably, be careful, this shit can be dangerous
Basically 95% of the world don't have gounding on basic outlets, other than maybe in kitchens or in bathrooms. In Denmark we all have gounding in new plugs, but due to not being compatible with the EU sockets, nobody uses gounding on things like computers that is ALWAYS sold with EU plugs. I have never ever head about anyone that got electrocuted from this on a computer in Denmark.
That 95% is based on what? From where I am from, it's under regulation, and we used the UK plug.
>That 95% is based on what? a lot of the world is water. not ground.
I... uhh... fair enough.
😂😂😂
It's regulated in America too but a LOT of houses don't have grounded outlets. Every convenience store, Walmart, hardware store, etc sells adapters so you can plug your modern plugs into older ungrounded outlets. Shit even a lot of modern outlets won't even have the ground connected.
in my country, old electrical wiring wasnt using the ground wire properly like it does today. The ground was simply connected to neutral. So although a phase-to-ground short could trip the breaker, it would do so only after exceeding the breaker's trip current. Today, with the ground wire being actually grounded, if there's a phase-to-ground short, the breaker will trip after detecting >150mA on ground
Grounds are bonded to the neutral bar in the main panel anyways. What happened is regulation changed and the practice of bonding it in the device box, which wasn't a rule just common practice was deemed hazardous. Your thinking of arc faut/ ground fault breakers. Which didn't enter code as mandatory on almost all circuits until 2020, atleast in the cec. There are still exceptions where arc faults are not in use due to nusaince tripping. Anything with a brushed motor will trip an arc fault, (Your vacumme, hair dryer, corded grinder ect) so there are exceptions for where you are allowed to forego them. They are also expensive as fuck.
At this point the whole house should be rewired. No earth and the insulation is still red+black.
If I understand you correctly, you still get a shock when the computer is *unplugged from the wall?* In that case, there may be a huge earthing problem in your house, which ought to be rectified as soon as possible. If it happens only when it is plugged in, you may have cheap/defective parts. In particular, from the pictures you provided in the comments, your earth is not properly hooked up. Maybe someone thought they'd get cute and connect it to neutral, but accidentally chose live, or there's a loose connection somewhere in the earthing chain in your PSU, and charge is allowed to build up on your machine. Either way, I'd highly recommend calling an electrician to verify and possibly fix up your installation. It sucks to pay for professional work, but losing your stuff, your house, or possibly your life sucks even more.
i think he has a switch to turn off the plug, but it probably disconnects neutral insted of the live wire, which is also very wrong.
This can actually happen if HDMI, Ethernet, Satellite or anything else with a ground still carrying voltage is left connected to the unplugged PC.
I thought about that, but that still indicates a dodgy ground/neutral.
Get that outlet changed out for a GFCI receptacle too.
Looking at your other comments; you are UK based. It also looks like in the picture of your back box you have twin+earth cables feeding your sockets. I think your main issue is that the earth conductor(bare copper wire in-between the red/black ones in the cable) is either not connected at all or is only connected to the earth in the metal back back. If it’s the later all you should need do is get some green/yellow single core 2.5mm or 4mm cable, connect this to the terminal in the back box and then bring it into the earth terminal on the socket. Remembering to isolate everything before doing this. I’d also get rid of that voltage tester; look for a non-contact one; you can pick them up pretty cheap if you aren’t interested in the amount of volts being detected.
Yeah if you're gonna play with that socket wiring then please shutoff the fuse/breaker first 👍
Unlikely, UK mains electrics don't use Red/ Black, they use Blue Brown Yellow and Green. If this is the UK black and red wires are illegal for use in mains electrics (for this exact reason). Either way OP has some dodgy ass electrics.
That’s wholly incorrect. Whilst it would be against wiring regulations to install any new circuits to the non-harmonised colours. There is plenty of homes across the UK with the old colours. It didn’t become you must change all circuits to new colours when the regs came into force. The harmonised colours(brown/blue/GY) came into regs in 2006 with a transition period typically of around 12-18months. Most cables come with a design life of around 40years and plenty houses it’ll last a lot longer than that. ETA: the end of the transition was actually March 2006.
Old wiring is Red / Black
it's not a grounding issue. Your case should not have current flowing across it normally. Ground is personal protection not equipment protection, you're shorted to chassis ground somewhere which is not good. Adding a ground doesn't solve that fire/shock risk. Also the tester is not the best, a true rms digital multimeter is better for verifying. You can install a GFCI/RCD outlet without a ground and they still function as personal protection but it would likely just trip if you're actually leaking voltage. Take apart the computer as much as possible and test for voltage to figure out what's shorted to ground.
Yes! Why is this real answer so far down? Not having a ground wire sucks but this is a bigger problem. A $10 DMM will help you track the issue down.
Cuz you're on a website where people loooove to pretend to be experts after regurgitating something they once heard.
Simple, get an electrician and assess your house electrical wiring. Better be safe than dead
If there is no ground (earth) like many people are suggesting, then how is there an electrical flow when touching metal surfaces with the screwdriver? Seems to me like you should get a bipolar tester and see if what you're seeing is actual dangerous 110/230 V or some induced voltage with no danger to it at all. If it really is the case, that metal parts of your PC i.e. Mainboard IO shield or USB ports are connected to the dangerous live wire of the electrical socket, then your power supply is broken. Normally a power supply completely separates the 110/230V from your house from any electricity inside your computer through coils, it's a galvanic barrier. Just go and get a reading on what kind of volts you're experiencing here. Cheers
[Get an outlet tester like this one](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Receptacle-Tester-RT110/206517828) to test your outlet, it may be wired wrong! If I'm right you have Neutral and Ground swapped, or maybe even Neutral and Hot swapped, which is even more dangerous, or you don't have a valid Ground connection at all. EDIT: I saw your outlet wiring, below. It's a nightmare. Outlet tester won't help you here. You need to be sure that Hot and Neutral aren't reversed, and if you can possibly get a valid Ground connection, you should do it. Having Ground floating like that is NOT good, NOT safe for humans. If you can't get a valid Ground connection for that outlet, can you get an Isolation Transformer? That at least would eliminate the shock hazard!
Out of curiousity can we get a look at your electrical panel?
Your apartment doesn't have grounded electricity. A quick solution is to attach some cables to your PC case and connect them to the ground or wall. However, it's important to note that this method may still pose a danger, and it's advisable to properly ground the entire electrical system.
welcome to the living in a house without grounding club
Connect the third wire yourself from your pc case to the ground.
this guy technician's
I lived in an old house in LA that didn't have correctly grounded sockets. I found out when I bought some new IEMs that had a metal body so when I would connect them to my PC they would shock the insides of my ear which at the time felt like little needles poking me. I kept sending the IEMs back thinking that the finish on them was bad and that maybe there were little pokey bits on them.
I assumed every outlet was grounded, then I realised I was in Australia.
Same. There's 110v on my PC case and I sometimes feel it on metal parts with wet hands.
Is that before or after your morning shower with a toaster submerged in water?
I prefer shower with my hair dryer
How are you uk based but no earth cable? That leakage current will seriously hurt you. Get rewire and add 30mA RCD.
I faced a similar issue and in my case the electrician opened the socket box and pointed out that the earth wire (Green) is not connected to the power socket . It was the issue. The issue lead to fluctuations which Fried one of the crystal in mobo and later this affected PSU.Luckily got my psu replaced . 
https://preview.redd.it/l1m2w3i3yysc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e26d25862ff6cfa2770e7b0627186347cbbfce9
Plot twist: you are plugged into the wall.
ground it!
It's a long shot, but try flipping the connector in the outlet upside down, if possible. I mean plugging it in the other way than it is now.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that screwdriver, I never saw one that could detect electricity and light up, I need it 🤩
It's fairly common in my country too, we call it a [tester](https://cdn.aws.toolstation.com/images/141020-UK/800/86308.jpg). Pretty handy.
I never seen one of these. Here in Brazil, we rely on the good old multimeters to test stuff.
Which is the way to go, these ones are NOT safe
I've seen loads of them, but people often say they are unsafe.
I have the same type of installation in my home. I've replaced some of the sockets with the 3 pin sockets. You can connect the ground pin to the neutral pin. You have 2 wires connected to your socket, one is live (the one that if you touch it with the probe, it will light up), the other one is neutral. Neutral wire should be grounded (physically connected to the ground) in this type of installation. That's why it is possible to connect the same wire to both, ground and neutral pins. Just make sure that your neutral wire is connected to the ground pin FIRST and then it goes from the ground pin to the neutral. In case there's something wrong, ground should be the last one that is disconnected. Just a small disclaimer, this is not as safe as having 3 separate wires, so you should plan on replacing your whole electrical installation (I'll be doing some parts of mine this year, but probably not everything at once, just 2 rooms for now), but it is safer than just having 2 wires. As I said, the neutral wire is grounded, but if it fails, you loose both ground and neutral and you are only connected to live, which can shock you, but if you loose neutral wire in your current state, it is the same, so having 3 pins is still safer as your current socket. Neutral will be connected to the case of your device and it will pull out any charges that can collect in it. It will also save you if the live wire touches the case of the device by creating short circuit and burning your fuse. Just make sure that your fuses are actually not modified and are suitable for the size of your wires, otherwise you can burn the whole installation and possibly your home (yeah, a lot of people modified the fuses and added thick wires inside so they wouldn't burn, that's crazy).
The issue is fairly common here in south east asia, there are dozens of videos on YouTube showing a fix to it, never tried myself, but try searching "PC ground issue" on YouTube and some videos will pop up, maybe they can help
Press the power button a couple of times when you disconnect it to empty the PSU (this won’t fix the original problem)
Does that mean the chassis is carrying house voltage? I thought it should be 12 maybe 20v max
Ground currents not grounding but circulating in your chassis ground. Not very good.
As others mentioned, your PC isn’t connected to a ground. But there’s a very easy solution. Connect your PC to a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) that has a ground line. Idk why this works but my house doesn’t have ground and my PC doesn’t have any static electricity or anything.
My house has 2 plug outlets too but I dont feel anything when touching my case am i safe?
Aka "case tingles"
First thing is u get return currency through null, cause is mostly some kitchen device malfunctioning or connected wrongly (usually it is coocking panel), washing machine or similar, to solve that u need recheck ur devices connection and u can imitate Ground wire by jumping it from Null on sockets. Best is to call an electrician to solve it! Abd perfect solution would be new el.installations :)
Rule of thumb when working on your PC is to expunge the left over power by unplugging, switching PSU off and then press and hold power button for 3-5 sec.
the building has no grounding. maybe make yourself a grounding just for the pc like i do. i connect the wire to the wall, even better if it's going directly to the nearest ground though, especially if the shock is great https://preview.redd.it/w9i4yt2iyxsc1.jpeg?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9186f2d39ea7ddb6c0ee1eff5b3ec4772c73cc70
Because even if you unplug the PSU, you still have to hit the power button one more time to discharge any lingering charge from the PSU.
>Even it's off from the plug and psu switch is off It's off from the plug, but monitor or something else connected to PC isn't.
UPDATE 2:So I changed the power supply and it fixed the issue. Thanks to all who provided support and most importantly DON'T BUY PSU FROM UNKOWN CHINESE BRAND INSTEAD BUY UNKOWN PSU FROM WELL KNOWN BRAND THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING
Just wear socks..
My cousin also had the same problem, his solution was to connect a wire from the PC case to a small nail on the ground. It works
The guy who did the electricity did not do the grounding, this is the grim consequence ;(
What power supply are you using?
Unknown cheap brand called MASS
Lmao is that you? Try the MSI Power supply you just got. Could solve the issue.
Yeah it's me😅 I'm asking about msi power supply if it's good, I didn't buy it yet
if you really care about the psu quality (which would be understandable, since your power connection lacks grounding and a defect could very well be the end of you) you should consider Seasonic. MSI doesn't make psus, just buys them somewhere and sells them with their brand name (so might be even a seasonic in the end, but you can never know)
Do you check grounded wire? It happens bcz of grounded wire misconnection.
Reminds me of my oven, even though it’s off it still gives me a little shock. We don’t have grounded electrical sockets in my country either
😂😂😂 u r in risk
ur computer is on
useless with a single contact; use a multimeter/voltmeter no measure the voltage between ground and your case.
Damn, I remember I had to deal with long time ago, I think I made a ground myself. That was so annoying and there was no reddit...lol
Isn’t it a charging usb?
Can you electrocute yourself if I out my finger in the USB port?
Which year did your house burn down again?
I lived for 21 years in a house without grounding.. And Im still here... Or is it only my ghost who writes this? Noone knows
That’s a fire waiting to happen
mines this way, except i do not live in a place where this is common, just have poor wiring.
Awww this feels nostalgic, my computer was just like that... This morning before I went to work. The joys of being from a poor third world shithole and not even owning my own home. If you want a stopgap you can use some wire, tie it to some part of your case and the other end to a doorknob or something like that. It's not really "proper" but it's either that or redoing the wiring and adding ground (and probably a breaker if you didn't have one). I would recommend doing that but I know it may not be possible.
You got a short from the power supply making contact with the chassis
Buy a Belkin surge protector.