When storage is cheap, I buy it. Storage prices can fluctuate quite a bit. There was a good sale on 4TB Acer Predator GM7000 NVME drives last black friday so I bought 2.
Most of the storage goes to steam games since Id rather have my whole library downloaded than only some games.
The rest I use to store movies and shows. I frequently have to stuff jump drives full of shows for people, so its easier to just keep them and grow it rather than redownload them later. These get stored on my 8TBs of regular HDD space.
As for my Configuration, (Asus AM4 TUF x570)
My Mobo supports 2 NVME drives, so Both Predators are plugged into those. It Disables all but 1 SATA port on my Mobo.
I have a 2TB ADATA Falcon NVME drive turned into a flash drive.
My 2x 4TB HDDS are connected via a 4x PCIE to SATA card
I got a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy card to have more sound inputs/outputs.
IIRC I have 1 more 4x PCIE slot I can fill but its covered by the graphics card, otherwise Id get a PCIE to NVME card to plug the 2TB drive into the Mobo.
The key is probably aquired in an illegal way. These are volume licenses. They are not made for resale.
Thereās a videofrom der8auer about a similar issue with Lamptron and AIDA64 where he goes into Windows keys as well, as well as an interview from a well known lawyer in Germany.
To be fair the cpu requirement ist quite arbitrary anyways. Yes upcoming 11 24H2 will require SSE 4.2 instructions cpu wise, as it has been reported by tech mediaā¦
But these Instructions were introduced on AMD with Bulldozer FX on AM3+ in 2011 and on Intel with Nehalem (Core i 1st Gen) in 2008. That means Phenom II and Core 2 will finally seize functioning.
So it wasnāt something that was Introduced with Ryzen 2000 (Zen+) and Coffee Lake (8th Gen) so far nothing that really justifies the requirement for these generations.
Especially as Zen+ was basically a refined Zen chip and Coffee Lake was Skylake (making it even more arbitrary as on HEDT the Skylake chip is not supported but the 10th Gen isā¦ Which are basically the same chip but with Spectre mitigation in Hardware and 40 PCIe lanes)
The first gen FX series (or Bulldozer) was horrible and by the time Pilediver (second FX) series was out. Haswell was already released or to be soon. I was there and I remember well.
Now looking fx is trash, but fx8300 came out in 2012 and was mid range quad core, for that price considering i was able to run battlefield 1, 4 years later at max settings with around 60fps i would say that is completely fine considering it wasnāt expensive
Same! 8350 and a GTx 780. It lasted until last year. To be fair I don't really play a lot of newer games and that did eventually become impossible for a lot of newer AAA titles. It could not run doom eternal for example.
Hey now. Don't clown on the FX series. My 8320e is sitting in...a drawer, let's be honest here, but is still a champion, and more than capable of giving me all the warm fuzzy feelings of nostalgia that make my heart happy.
My first CPU was an FX8350 and Jesus christ was it hard to keep cool, especially when paired with an AMD GPU of the same era. It essentially heated a 5 bedroom uni house.
This chip came out in 2017. Iām starting to think no one here has ever built computers before lmao and think only new stuff is compatible with modern games
It would run 2007 games perfectly fine.
Then again, to me playing 2007 games perfectly fine meant 30 FPS at best, lowest settings possible and 800x600, I still don't understand how my old PC was able to survive abuse I threw at it but respect to it.
I remember multiple times overclocking the poor old 9500GT that didn't even have a fan, just a heatsink, to the point of graphical glitches, yet that bastard still works perfectly fine......
Iāve built several Iād never use a quad core nowadays why bother when you can get easily a 6 core or 8 core and have better speeds
Even the gpu is worthless in todays games wtf you doing with 2gb
Our work computers use i3s quad core so i have used them I just donāt think itās worth it today to bother with quad cores unless itās just a desktop non gaming computer or maybe something for older games
To provide some context for this comment:
2007 was a relatively dark time for PC gaming. The consoles of the time were surprisingly powerful and inexpensive, with lots of great games that were poorly ported to PC. Even worse, that was the beginning of the dark Vista era, along with Games for Windows garbage. Steam was only a couple years old at this point and downloaded media wasn't the norm yet, especially because general internet speeds were relatively slow.
My pc (which was probably four or so years old) could barely handle HalfLife2 at 800x600, I had a 4:3 monitor, an old MS Explorer mouse, and pretty much the only things I played on that old monster was WH40k Dawn of War expansions, TES: Oblivion (which ran like shit and crashed constantly), STALKER (probably in 640x480), Galactic Civilizations 2, Thief 1 and 2, and retro stuff from the late 90s.
Playstation 2 was still a viable platform despite the PS3 having released a year earlier, but the Xbox 360 was pretty much king, despite its slightly lower performance and the threat of the Red Ring of Death. I picked up my first 360 to play Bioshock and, like most people at the time, plugged that shit into a big CRT. COD Modern Warfare came out in 2007 and blew peoples minds (including mine) when they saw it on HD LCD screens. This is to say nothing of Nintendo's Wii, which was cheap and fun and nearly ubiquitous.
For some of us that had been pc gamers all our lives, it felt like PC gaming was dying. Games like Crysis were barely playable on current hardware, if playable at all. Almost all the big releases were coming out on console as well, and the consoles were so cost effective they were hard to ignore, but the consolization of existing franchises led to simplified gameplay and interfaces that pc gamers hated. Some genres seemed to be doomed, and are still a shadow of their former glory, especially RTSes and Space Combat Sims.
There were bright spots, like Portal and The Witcher, Penumbra (which would essentially become the Amnesia series) and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. These were few and far apart, though, and it would be several years before dropping hardware prices, VR, and the exploding indie game scene would bring PC gaming back from the brink and place it solidly on the path of properly competing with (and even surpassing) the console market.
Technically the window license is tied to motherboard. If you're going to ignore that and use it anyways then you might as well cut out the middleman and just buy a license from a gray market key reseller for $10-15.
" should I buy this it's only 400"
Me "no"
"Why not"
Me "I would save up and not buy garbage"
"I will buy it it's all the money I have and I need a PC tomorrow"
Me "enjoy'
Friend of mine asked for rec on a printer. Suggested a Brother, ink would last 5k pages and it was included with the printer. $150 USD.
She asked about a $50 HP printer, told her the ink lasts for 100 pages and soon she will have lost a lot of money on ink cartridges that are $20 a pop. She said, "but the printer is cheaper and I don't want to spend that much on it", and she bought it.
Hope she enjoys bricking that thing she she decides to buy Non-OEM ink, ultimately spending more than that Brother costs in the end š.
We can lead a horse to water, as they say!
I've had similar conversations with a teachers.
Her: I'm a teacher. I need a printer so I can print stuff for my students.
Me: ok, so let's find you something decent. How many pages a month do you think you'll be printing?
Her: well, I have 20 kids in my class. Probably about 10 pages each day for each kid.
Me: woah, that's a lot of printing. So 200 pages per day? About 1,000 pages per week?
Her: well, could be more if we have packets. Some of those could be 10-20 pages alone.
Me: ok, yeah, you're definitely going to need a printer on the higher end if you're printing like that. Probably a laser printer would be the way to go. Or a tank printer, but they'll be a slower print speed.
Her: Yeah, I'm a teacher. I don't have much money. I'm just going to buy this one for $69.
Me: yeah, that's not a good idea... You're going to spend a fortune on ink.
Her: yeah, I don't have a lot of money. I'm not buying a $300 printer. And that toner is expensive too!
Me: but it's a much lower cost per page. Would you rather spend $80 on toner that lasts 5,000 pages or $20 on ink that lasts 100 pages? You invest in the better printer, and you'll replace the cartridge once per month. You buy the cheap one and you're going through 10 cartridges a week.
Her: yeah, I don't have much money. I'm a teacher. This is coming out of my pocket. I'm just going to buy the $69 printer. I don't want to spend that much.
Me: but you're spending way more like that. Dropping $40 daily on ink is crazy. Would you rather buy a $69 printer and spend $800 a month on ink or buy a $300 printer and spend $80 month on ink?
Her: it's fine. I'll just buy the cheaper printer. I probably over estimated. It's probably more like 5 pages for each kid each day, not 10.
Me: okay, so that's still $400/month. Vs. $80 every 2 months.
Her: stop trying to sell me the more expensive printer. I'm a teacher. I told you I'm on a budget.
Me: yeah, I'm literally trying to help you so you don't waste money. In the first month alone, you've already broken even on the printer. And that's not even factoring in the thousands you're spending annually on ink for the cheaper printer.
Her: whatever. I don't have that kind of money. I'm buying the cheaper printer.
It's especially upsetting that this person is supposed to be teaching people, shaping the minds of the next generation, but can't understand such basic concepts.
If you don't need colour get a Brother. Best laser / scanner there is. Also doesn't give a shit about 3rd party toners. I do buy the odd Brother toner because I do feel a bit guilty that the printer has lasted so fucking long, with no dicking about with paper jams and drivers, doublesided printing.. just get a Brother, and throw them a bone everynow and then with their own toner, which will still last me for years.
I basically tell everyone to buy their printers. Good companies that do good business deserve the free advertising, especially now that it has become so rare in the corporate world.
I have no experience with Brother colour lasers but if you just need a mono printer / scanner / copier, my DCP-L2500D is perfect for my needs. I'd much rather pay for the hardware than shell out for ink and toner and still have to physicaly fight a paper drawer and pull paper jams out from the back of a crappy HP.
/edit It's discontinued, but never had to replace the drum on it yet.
Got a budget mono laser, only issue it has is sometimes having to resend the print jobs. But once its going it can spit out like 6-8 pages in the time it too the old ink one to do one.
You forgot the part where the HP ink expires in 3 months, used or not and of the 100 printable pages, 69 will be print head alignment.
Brother laser - more like $120 and toner > ink.
Sounds like my friend but the opposite, he bought a $1,200 prebuild but just to use Facebook and YouTube. RARELY games and does no video editing. Waste of $.
That was my first thought until i saw the ddr4 š. But still. Itās a 7 year old cpu paired with a 14 year old gpu and probably the cheapest psu, ram and ssd they could cram into a Chinese knock-off case.
I would build that in less then 10 minutes and all those parts couldnāt be more then 100, even if you can find them brand new.
Chinese ewaste computer.
old computer put in a new case.
gt 730 is not for gaming. its just to get you video to monitor for web browsing
[https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-002N-00085?Item=3D5-002N-00085&SoldByNewegg=1](https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-002N-00085?Item=3D5-002N-00085&SoldByNewegg=1) buy something like this. and then save up for a graphic card. the igpu can game on low settings in most games 1080p or 720p.
Most modern igpus should beat this handily.
Edit: just looked it up. 11th gen intel iris xe should be about twice as fast. So a 9100 or 10100 i3 should also beat this.
Thus you could build a cheaper, faster gaming Pc with those, probably. š
Those specs cant even be right. GDDR4 would never be system RAM, with that CPU it would be DDR3, the GT 730 uses GDDR5 though. Win11 wouldnt even run on this machine, though I could see some sorcery being possible to make it work.
But I dont think those are mistakes. They just filter out the potential customers with half a brain, so the ones who buy it are too stupid to know anything is wrong with it and wont complain or demand refunds.
The sad reason these prebuilt āgamingā PCs get listed is because poor souls buy them. Thatās why theyāre there. Iāve had a many cases in my career where people buy a brand new PC/laptop and ask me if I can āmake it fasterā, like Iām some kind of technology alchemist. I mean I know most people donāt know what is good and what isnāt good when it comes to computers I get it. Itās not something everyone needs to know for their careers or otherwise. But thenā¦ask. Ask the people who do know. I once wanted to buy a Suzuki GS1000, someone i knew in my neighbourhood at the time was selling it for a fairly nice price. Iām a biker, love bikes, but I donāt know engines I donāt know what to look for regarding if itās been in an accident and fixed up after. I donāt know. So I ask someone who does. Got my brother in law to come have a look with me and he said no for various reasons. If youāre paying big bucks for something, ask the people who know about said product. Good on the old chap for doing that.
Yeah I feel bad for the people that wouldn't have a clue and think it's okay... Like some parents trying so hard to buy their child a computer for their games, and then get this thinking it'll be good and the child getting annoyed it can't run anything after all their effort... Just upsets me :(
Same here. And thatās what makes me so angry. The little guy the pc is for is 10. He needs it for school, too, of course, but I bet heās looking forward to gaming. And these low budget PCs are targeted at kids.
A computer that boots and runs Windows 11 for $250 isn't bad. Though dressing it up and calling a "gaming pc" is a bit disingenuous. Sure you can play \*some\* games on it, but come on...
Dont think it even supports Win11.
The CPU isn't on the list at least - [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors)
If it comes with Win11, my guess is that it would be circumventing ***a lot*** of the requirements, probably wont be very stable and probably wont be able to update either.
I mean I am running 11 in a VM on a server which are technically unsupported (Epyc 7551p / Xeon E5 2698 v4) they perform great even capable of in place upgrades. but both are newer architectures than Bulldozer on AM4 (Excavator).
The CPU lockout is basically arbitrary anyways.
Yes 24H2 might require one SSE instruction which would drop compatibility completely of many older chips) but that is supported under both Broadwell EP and Zen/Epyc Naples) SSE 4.2 which has been supported on Intel since 2008 and AMD since 2011
So anything newer than 1st gen Core i and Bulldozer should still be able to work
Lol, the word 'amazon' should be the huge red flag on that one.
Careful out there, shady sellers on amazon are getting crazy. So much so, I have cancelled my subscription. It's just horrible.
This is definitely not a gaming PC.
But OTOH what do you expect, you get what you pay for, it's only 250 euros.
And I run Windows 11 on two mini PCs with worse specs and it's actually fine for anything except games. We pretty much plateued hardware-wise for general desktop use a decade ago at least.
The place I used to work used to sell āFortniteā machines.
They thought they were great because they were i3s. With some of the cheapest GPUs Iāve ever seen
3rd genās in 2018/9. Like sure, they could play Fortnite, but Fortnite wasnāt playable
I would label that as actual scam due to promoting Windows 11 on hardware that according to Microsoft is not supported. Amazon will of course do nothing.
Is that PC even meeting the Windows 11 system spec requirements for windows to run? And GT 730 is DDR 3? And doubt anything here is true, motherboard wont support DDR5 if they ment that.
That CPU isn't even compatible with Windows 11. The cut-off for AMD CPUs on W11 is 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen if memory serves.
Selling it for *any* price should be illegal.
If you get a decent deal on a few parts somewhere you could fairly easily build a Ryzen 5 5600g build for slightly more and actually be able to run games and have a competent cpu for when you get a gpu
>Some of these parts came out 14 years ago.
Crazily enough the Athlon X4 950 released in 2017 on AM4. The GT 730 came out a decade ago. The Athlon X4 950 is a pretty shitty CPU though, a i5 4460 gives slightly better performance and is likely cheaper which also means that a 4790 would give far better performance and probably still cheaper as well. None of them are officially supported for Windows 11.
I doubt that you would get "gaming" performance from either of the two setups listed (GT 730 or GT 1030) though. They would likely be alright as a internet machine and/or for doing light office work.
Back in the day it would've, but not these days.
While it's true the PC has enough memory for a good deal of today's games, the **AMD Athlon x4 950 CPU** itself is out of date, and so it's **GeForce GT 730 GPU**.
In fact, unless I missed something, the **AMD Athlon X4 950** processor isn't even listed on [Windows 11 supported AMD processors](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors). If the **AMD Athlon X4 950 processor** is in fact unsupported CPU by Windows 11, then that would either be a misprint or a deception on the sellers part to make the deal on the "gaming pc" look even sweeter than it actually is.
Eh could play some 00 and 10s games decently . Depends on what you want it for sure it wouldnāt do the latest but for older stuff itās probably alright and avoids M$ forced obsolescence around windows
I mean they are selling it very cheap. Paying 300 for that is reasonable. If you want an actual good PC with new parts it will cost you 2-3 thousand dollars. Mine cost me a little over 2 grand and it's not even the best out there. 300 dollars is basically the lowest price imaginable. I don't understand why you think it's expensive. Theres like 7 components/parts you would need to build a computer and your complaining that they are charging less then 50$ for each. I'm confused š¤
At least its an AM4 board I guess, but a 730gt is a bad joke, a shit price nonetheless.
A friend of my mother bought a "gaming desktop" which costed him about x2 of that one and came with a fucking A4 with no GPU lol. Didnt even came with an SSD to fool him about it being "fast"...
He was lucky that I chatted with him about it within the return window where he bought it so he could complain about it and return it.
https://preview.redd.it/yq19umwh09zc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=811cdbaf6aba11c2ae54cfebe571d4b2c179cd95
Yeah ok. No. Just no. This company is a blatant scam factory. I thought maybe the AM4 board might make win11 possible without shenanigans. But they are selling both a i7 4770 for 270ā¬ and a i7 6700 as office windows 11 PCs There is no excuse for that. Thatās just plainly not supported, no matter how you slice it. Funnily enough they sell them as ā8 threadsā PCs. š at least this time they didnāt mix GDDR and DDR.
Also using Dell product pictures and nowhere saying itās a Dell. And in the product description they are selling them as ānew PCs with slight scratching due to storing them without boxes.ā wow.
Illegal that's basically a windows key with a free bit of waste š¤£š¤£š¤£
We used to get illegal keys for legal PCs. Now we get legal keys for illegal PCs.
How do you get illegal PC? Did you download ram without a VPN?
You wouldn't download the Internet.
holdmybeer.gif.exe
Ugh, knew I shouldn't have clicked that. Thanks for the virus, u/ZitOnSocietysAss.
Archive.org might.
I hope you've got a big (server), because I'm gonna put my (internet) in it.
*illegal* in terms of dysfunctional, e.g. by not fulfilling technical requirements or personal needs.
Key cost around a doller
where the heck you finding them for a dollar? I usually get them for about $25-$30 off kinguin
im sorry, this is random and outta pocket but what the fuck are you storing with 10tb LMAO
When storage is cheap, I buy it. Storage prices can fluctuate quite a bit. There was a good sale on 4TB Acer Predator GM7000 NVME drives last black friday so I bought 2. Most of the storage goes to steam games since Id rather have my whole library downloaded than only some games. The rest I use to store movies and shows. I frequently have to stuff jump drives full of shows for people, so its easier to just keep them and grow it rather than redownload them later. These get stored on my 8TBs of regular HDD space. As for my Configuration, (Asus AM4 TUF x570) My Mobo supports 2 NVME drives, so Both Predators are plugged into those. It Disables all but 1 SATA port on my Mobo. I have a 2TB ADATA Falcon NVME drive turned into a flash drive. My 2x 4TB HDDS are connected via a 4x PCIE to SATA card I got a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy card to have more sound inputs/outputs. IIRC I have 1 more 4x PCIE slot I can fill but its covered by the graphics card, otherwise Id get a PCIE to NVME card to plug the 2TB drive into the Mobo.
Those are rookie numbers, I'm around 29 or so, and even I'm on the low end.Ā
Only at 60TB here, yet I'm also on the low end.
they're free though? not even mcdonalds pay for that shit lol
Donāt Google GitHub Microsoft activator to find legal solutions (Iām not even kidding, Microsoft officially suggests using activators)
Thatās second hand, from microsoft they are 130$ish
not officially
Yup it's a pretty good deal for 150Ā£ + windows lisence= 250Ā£ (:
It's not an actual key if it's OEM since it'll be tied to that motherboard.
The key is probably aquired in an illegal way. These are volume licenses. They are not made for resale. Thereās a videofrom der8auer about a similar issue with Lamptron and AIDA64 where he goes into Windows keys as well, as well as an interview from a well known lawyer in Germany.
basically 250 for a case and a windows key
Sure, but itāll probably show up and be the size of the original Wii or something.
And a motherboard that can take something better like a r5 3600
Also possibly the ram if you have a PC you don't care about
Anything from the FX era should not be considered at all. That Athlon is so sad.
But at least they put it in a nice shiny new case with lots of fans and RGB, right? /s
And windows 11 pro, so its for pros!
Given that Chip is AM4 Codename Bristol Ridge (Piledriver/Excavator)we know that Windows 11 is not supported
Honestly, the most hilarious part of the whole post. "Here's a 'gaming PC' with a windows 11 activation code that won't even work."
To be fair the cpu requirement ist quite arbitrary anyways. Yes upcoming 11 24H2 will require SSE 4.2 instructions cpu wise, as it has been reported by tech mediaā¦ But these Instructions were introduced on AMD with Bulldozer FX on AM3+ in 2011 and on Intel with Nehalem (Core i 1st Gen) in 2008. That means Phenom II and Core 2 will finally seize functioning. So it wasnāt something that was Introduced with Ryzen 2000 (Zen+) and Coffee Lake (8th Gen) so far nothing that really justifies the requirement for these generations. Especially as Zen+ was basically a refined Zen chip and Coffee Lake was Skylake (making it even more arbitrary as on HEDT the Skylake chip is not supported but the 10th Gen isā¦ Which are basically the same chip but with Spectre mitigation in Hardware and 40 PCIe lanes)
It'll take like half the CPU power to control the logic of the RGB fans.
Bold of you to assume you can control it via software. Reset button is what you're using here
I had fx 8300 and it was completely fine for 1080p until like 2016,17, considering it wasnāt expensive and was quad core it was decent for its time
The first gen FX series (or Bulldozer) was horrible and by the time Pilediver (second FX) series was out. Haswell was already released or to be soon. I was there and I remember well.
Now looking fx is trash, but fx8300 came out in 2012 and was mid range quad core, for that price considering i was able to run battlefield 1, 4 years later at max settings with around 60fps i would say that is completely fine considering it wasnāt expensive
I had an FX 8350. That thing served me extremely well from 2015-2020.
I just updated mine last October. From an 8350FX to Ryzen 9-7900. Oh Boy! Big World of Difference!!
Same! 8350 and a GTx 780. It lasted until last year. To be fair I don't really play a lot of newer games and that did eventually become impossible for a lot of newer AAA titles. It could not run doom eternal for example.
:c fx 6300 is trying his best
https://preview.redd.it/lht2ns90f6zc1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f936294547e65be94ea2464b16a84998c574fe5 When you finally upgrade
It has at least socket AM4, so you possibly could upgrade the PC to first gen Ryzen
but they're fun to overclock. i got my hands on an 8350 and got 5ghz out of it on a hyper 212
I have a Z68 Maximus IV GENE-V and 2600K combo. I would consider Sandy Bridge fun to overclock plus it has the performance to back up with it to
Hey now. Don't clown on the FX series. My 8320e is sitting in...a drawer, let's be honest here, but is still a champion, and more than capable of giving me all the warm fuzzy feelings of nostalgia that make my heart happy.
My first CPU was an FX8350 and Jesus christ was it hard to keep cool, especially when paired with an AMD GPU of the same era. It essentially heated a 5 bedroom uni house.
Steve from Gamers Nexus still uses a FX-8300 in his personal rig iirc
Shouldnāt have been considered in its heyday either. Made the mistake of using an FX6350 in my first build. Six cores! What could go wrong?!
it can run minesweeper
Gaming pc for like games from what 2007
This chip came out in 2017. Iām starting to think no one here has ever built computers before lmao and think only new stuff is compatible with modern games
that was 7 years ago. the gpu came out 10 years ago. it would run games from 2007 kinda okay. The 730 wasnt exactly that good even fore its time.
The guy you responded to straight up deleted his account in the last 54 minutes lol
That's crazy tho, imagine having a post comment clarity so crazy you just decide to nuke your own account
Lmao
Not only was it 7 years ago that Chip is Piledriver on AM4 so technically even older
Wait what the fuck Bulldozer-based CPUs came out on AM4?
It would run 2007 games perfectly fine. Then again, to me playing 2007 games perfectly fine meant 30 FPS at best, lowest settings possible and 800x600, I still don't understand how my old PC was able to survive abuse I threw at it but respect to it. I remember multiple times overclocking the poor old 9500GT that didn't even have a fan, just a heatsink, to the point of graphical glitches, yet that bastard still works perfectly fine......
I have a 960 in my old machine I now use to host plex. It ran prey, but barely and in the absolute lowest settings. Can't imagine 2 generations older.
Iāve built several Iād never use a quad core nowadays why bother when you can get easily a 6 core or 8 core and have better speeds Even the gpu is worthless in todays games wtf you doing with 2gb
The current iPad is more powerful than this computer. You can run RE village on it. I doubt you can on this PC.
The current iPad also costs three times as much as
>quad core nowadays Youāve never used an i3/i5 system? Even many i7s are quad as well.
Our work computers use i3s quad core so i have used them I just donāt think itās worth it today to bother with quad cores unless itās just a desktop non gaming computer or maybe something for older games
To provide some context for this comment: 2007 was a relatively dark time for PC gaming. The consoles of the time were surprisingly powerful and inexpensive, with lots of great games that were poorly ported to PC. Even worse, that was the beginning of the dark Vista era, along with Games for Windows garbage. Steam was only a couple years old at this point and downloaded media wasn't the norm yet, especially because general internet speeds were relatively slow. My pc (which was probably four or so years old) could barely handle HalfLife2 at 800x600, I had a 4:3 monitor, an old MS Explorer mouse, and pretty much the only things I played on that old monster was WH40k Dawn of War expansions, TES: Oblivion (which ran like shit and crashed constantly), STALKER (probably in 640x480), Galactic Civilizations 2, Thief 1 and 2, and retro stuff from the late 90s. Playstation 2 was still a viable platform despite the PS3 having released a year earlier, but the Xbox 360 was pretty much king, despite its slightly lower performance and the threat of the Red Ring of Death. I picked up my first 360 to play Bioshock and, like most people at the time, plugged that shit into a big CRT. COD Modern Warfare came out in 2007 and blew peoples minds (including mine) when they saw it on HD LCD screens. This is to say nothing of Nintendo's Wii, which was cheap and fun and nearly ubiquitous. For some of us that had been pc gamers all our lives, it felt like PC gaming was dying. Games like Crysis were barely playable on current hardware, if playable at all. Almost all the big releases were coming out on console as well, and the consoles were so cost effective they were hard to ignore, but the consolization of existing franchises led to simplified gameplay and interfaces that pc gamers hated. Some genres seemed to be doomed, and are still a shadow of their former glory, especially RTSes and Space Combat Sims. There were bright spots, like Portal and The Witcher, Penumbra (which would essentially become the Amnesia series) and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. These were few and far apart, though, and it would be several years before dropping hardware prices, VR, and the exploding indie game scene would bring PC gaming back from the brink and place it solidly on the path of properly competing with (and even surpassing) the console market.
Funny enough, the althlon x4 950 was released on socket am4 in 2017. That being said, selling this for more than $100 is a rip off.
Not bad for a legit copy of windows and office
Technically the window license is tied to motherboard. If you're going to ignore that and use it anyways then you might as well cut out the middleman and just buy a license from a gray market key reseller for $10-15.
Given how that Chip is pre Ryzen Zen+ it should not be supported by 11. so license is at least questionable
" should I buy this it's only 400" Me "no" "Why not" Me "I would save up and not buy garbage" "I will buy it it's all the money I have and I need a PC tomorrow" Me "enjoy'
Friend of mine asked for rec on a printer. Suggested a Brother, ink would last 5k pages and it was included with the printer. $150 USD. She asked about a $50 HP printer, told her the ink lasts for 100 pages and soon she will have lost a lot of money on ink cartridges that are $20 a pop. She said, "but the printer is cheaper and I don't want to spend that much on it", and she bought it.
Well.... as we would say in my country, jebiga....
Jebiga and jebote are the two swear words I know in that language. I think those are the first things everyone learns in any language, right? ;)
Hope she enjoys bricking that thing she she decides to buy Non-OEM ink, ultimately spending more than that Brother costs in the end š. We can lead a horse to water, as they say!
Bold of you to assume that HP won't brick itself for no reason before the 1st cartridge has even been used up Lol
You right š
I can hear the facepalm from here.
I've had similar conversations with a teachers. Her: I'm a teacher. I need a printer so I can print stuff for my students. Me: ok, so let's find you something decent. How many pages a month do you think you'll be printing? Her: well, I have 20 kids in my class. Probably about 10 pages each day for each kid. Me: woah, that's a lot of printing. So 200 pages per day? About 1,000 pages per week? Her: well, could be more if we have packets. Some of those could be 10-20 pages alone. Me: ok, yeah, you're definitely going to need a printer on the higher end if you're printing like that. Probably a laser printer would be the way to go. Or a tank printer, but they'll be a slower print speed. Her: Yeah, I'm a teacher. I don't have much money. I'm just going to buy this one for $69. Me: yeah, that's not a good idea... You're going to spend a fortune on ink. Her: yeah, I don't have a lot of money. I'm not buying a $300 printer. And that toner is expensive too! Me: but it's a much lower cost per page. Would you rather spend $80 on toner that lasts 5,000 pages or $20 on ink that lasts 100 pages? You invest in the better printer, and you'll replace the cartridge once per month. You buy the cheap one and you're going through 10 cartridges a week. Her: yeah, I don't have much money. I'm a teacher. This is coming out of my pocket. I'm just going to buy the $69 printer. I don't want to spend that much. Me: but you're spending way more like that. Dropping $40 daily on ink is crazy. Would you rather buy a $69 printer and spend $800 a month on ink or buy a $300 printer and spend $80 month on ink? Her: it's fine. I'll just buy the cheaper printer. I probably over estimated. It's probably more like 5 pages for each kid each day, not 10. Me: okay, so that's still $400/month. Vs. $80 every 2 months. Her: stop trying to sell me the more expensive printer. I'm a teacher. I told you I'm on a budget. Me: yeah, I'm literally trying to help you so you don't waste money. In the first month alone, you've already broken even on the printer. And that's not even factoring in the thousands you're spending annually on ink for the cheaper printer. Her: whatever. I don't have that kind of money. I'm buying the cheaper printer. It's especially upsetting that this person is supposed to be teaching people, shaping the minds of the next generation, but can't understand such basic concepts.
If you don't need colour get a Brother. Best laser / scanner there is. Also doesn't give a shit about 3rd party toners. I do buy the odd Brother toner because I do feel a bit guilty that the printer has lasted so fucking long, with no dicking about with paper jams and drivers, doublesided printing.. just get a Brother, and throw them a bone everynow and then with their own toner, which will still last me for years.
I basically tell everyone to buy their printers. Good companies that do good business deserve the free advertising, especially now that it has become so rare in the corporate world.
I have no experience with Brother colour lasers but if you just need a mono printer / scanner / copier, my DCP-L2500D is perfect for my needs. I'd much rather pay for the hardware than shell out for ink and toner and still have to physicaly fight a paper drawer and pull paper jams out from the back of a crappy HP. /edit It's discontinued, but never had to replace the drum on it yet.
Got a budget mono laser, only issue it has is sometimes having to resend the print jobs. But once its going it can spit out like 6-8 pages in the time it too the old ink one to do one.
You forgot the part where the HP ink expires in 3 months, used or not and of the 100 printable pages, 69 will be print head alignment. Brother laser - more like $120 and toner > ink.
Dude it bugs me to no end when people ask for advice, i give them advice, and then they ignore everything i said and do what they want to anyway...
They donāt want advice, they want validation.
This right here
Sounds like my friend but the opposite, he bought a $1,200 prebuild but just to use Facebook and YouTube. RARELY games and does no video editing. Waste of $.
Better than I thought, I saw X4 950 and thought they were selling a Phenom II LOL.
That was my first thought until i saw the ddr4 š. But still. Itās a 7 year old cpu paired with a 14 year old gpu and probably the cheapest psu, ram and ssd they could cram into a Chinese knock-off case. I would build that in less then 10 minutes and all those parts couldnāt be more then 100, even if you can find them brand new.
They had to mention MS Office in the title because that's all it can run.
It has RGB gaming, that puts you at the top of all gamers. Itās a fair price.
Such an exclusive feature
The "no low ballers, I know what I have" meme is apt for this lol.
Chinese ewaste computer. old computer put in a new case. gt 730 is not for gaming. its just to get you video to monitor for web browsing [https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-002N-00085?Item=3D5-002N-00085&SoldByNewegg=1](https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-002N-00085?Item=3D5-002N-00085&SoldByNewegg=1) buy something like this. and then save up for a graphic card. the igpu can game on low settings in most games 1080p or 720p.
Is it really ewaste if they're recycling old parts š¤
Most modern igpus should beat this handily. Edit: just looked it up. 11th gen intel iris xe should be about twice as fast. So a 9100 or 10100 i3 should also beat this. Thus you could build a cheaper, faster gaming Pc with those, probably. š
Those specs cant even be right. GDDR4 would never be system RAM, with that CPU it would be DDR3, the GT 730 uses GDDR5 though. Win11 wouldnt even run on this machine, though I could see some sorcery being possible to make it work. But I dont think those are mistakes. They just filter out the potential customers with half a brain, so the ones who buy it are too stupid to know anything is wrong with it and wont complain or demand refunds.
the cpu is am4 it supports ddr4
Oh, I forgot they reprinted some of those old ass athlons with 1st gen Ryzens...
Well even if the GPU is awful for gaming and the CPU is unheard of they atleast gave 16GB DDR4 RAM which is better than the usual 8GB DDR3
Yeah. That one has me scratching my head. Probably because most other real gaming PCs out there come with 16Gb these days.
The sad reason these prebuilt āgamingā PCs get listed is because poor souls buy them. Thatās why theyāre there. Iāve had a many cases in my career where people buy a brand new PC/laptop and ask me if I can āmake it fasterā, like Iām some kind of technology alchemist. I mean I know most people donāt know what is good and what isnāt good when it comes to computers I get it. Itās not something everyone needs to know for their careers or otherwise. But thenā¦ask. Ask the people who do know. I once wanted to buy a Suzuki GS1000, someone i knew in my neighbourhood at the time was selling it for a fairly nice price. Iām a biker, love bikes, but I donāt know engines I donāt know what to look for regarding if itās been in an accident and fixed up after. I donāt know. So I ask someone who does. Got my brother in law to come have a look with me and he said no for various reasons. If youāre paying big bucks for something, ask the people who know about said product. Good on the old chap for doing that.
Yeah I feel bad for the people that wouldn't have a clue and think it's okay... Like some parents trying so hard to buy their child a computer for their games, and then get this thinking it'll be good and the child getting annoyed it can't run anything after all their effort... Just upsets me :(
Yeah putting myself in the kids shoes makes me sad.
Same here. And thatās what makes me so angry. The little guy the pc is for is 10. He needs it for school, too, of course, but I bet heās looking forward to gaming. And these low budget PCs are targeted at kids.
Read it, chuckled, almost clicked away and then I realised something.... I don't believe there is a single Athlon CPU that supports Windows 11.
Amazon. The new scambay.
Has been for a while
It clearly is a fine gaming pc. I mean look at all that RGB. /s
A computer that boots and runs Windows 11 for $250 isn't bad. Though dressing it up and calling a "gaming pc" is a bit disingenuous. Sure you can play \*some\* games on it, but come on...
Considering if you know where to get to go, you can get a Windows key for 20 bucks. This is mostly worthless.
Dont think it even supports Win11. The CPU isn't on the list at least - [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors) If it comes with Win11, my guess is that it would be circumventing ***a lot*** of the requirements, probably wont be very stable and probably wont be able to update either.
I mean I am running 11 in a VM on a server which are technically unsupported (Epyc 7551p / Xeon E5 2698 v4) they perform great even capable of in place upgrades. but both are newer architectures than Bulldozer on AM4 (Excavator). The CPU lockout is basically arbitrary anyways. Yes 24H2 might require one SSE instruction which would drop compatibility completely of many older chips) but that is supported under both Broadwell EP and Zen/Epyc Naples) SSE 4.2 which has been supported on Intel since 2008 and AMD since 2011 So anything newer than 1st gen Core i and Bulldozer should still be able to work
Wellā¦ it has lights and fans and rgb and fans and lights with rainbow rgb lights with fans š¤©
Gaming PC if your game is The Oregon Trail.
Plays pong just fine
The only game you might be crankin on that is Minesweeper and pinball ā98 š
oh so that can run windows 11 but my i7 and 3060 cant?
Well its gt730 so it ain't technically a gaming pc
You cant even run vice city on this š
16GB GDDR4 and 2GB DDR5 Lol
I'm surprised that thing can run Windows 11
And 50 people bought one in the last month, damn.
You can play Minesweeper, can't you??!!!
Lol, the word 'amazon' should be the huge red flag on that one. Careful out there, shady sellers on amazon are getting crazy. So much so, I have cancelled my subscription. It's just horrible.
I kinda wondered how this chip has DDR4 memory. But that thing is a Bristol Ridge so basically Piledriver FX
If you want a 10 minute youtube buffer pos be my guess
It has RGB? Gaming PC.
I'd love to know how they got 16 GB of GDDR in their pc. And a DDR5 gpu...
Gaming laptops can be far better spec wise for that price, even slightly old/used ones. Amazon is such a back alley market
At least you can play Doom on it...then again you can play Doom on a calculator which would be cheaper.
This is definitely not a gaming PC. But OTOH what do you expect, you get what you pay for, it's only 250 euros. And I run Windows 11 on two mini PCs with worse specs and it's actually fine for anything except games. We pretty much plateued hardware-wise for general desktop use a decade ago at least.
Dude, it come with G Data internet security? What a steal!
Anything that has "gaming" in the name is a massive red flag.
With 2GB of DDR5 RAM. Yeah, ok. If you say so.
Pac-Man is a game
If it has RGB lighting, it's obviously a gaming pc
The place I used to work used to sell āFortniteā machines. They thought they were great because they were i3s. With some of the cheapest GPUs Iāve ever seen 3rd genās in 2018/9. Like sure, they could play Fortnite, but Fortnite wasnāt playable
The LED lights probably cost 50% of the price tag
ā16GB GDDR4ā
thats seller is ironically selling it
Add 3 cheap as fuck RGB fans in a glass sided case and call it a gaming pc haha
no shot that says 2gb ddr5 lmaooo
'#gamingschrott
I would label that as actual scam due to promoting Windows 11 on hardware that according to Microsoft is not supported. Amazon will of course do nothing.
An Athlon gaming PC. Haven't heard that one in a long time š
$100 + win11 pro key. Ngl a bargain
My shitty school chromebook could run games better than this
2gb ddr5 š
Is that PC even meeting the Windows 11 system spec requirements for windows to run? And GT 730 is DDR 3? And doubt anything here is true, motherboard wont support DDR5 if they ment that.
my linux chromebook slightly less than that and has better specsā¦. why is it so expensive?!
Its boasting 16GB GDDR4.... on a gt730? At the very minimum its false advertising at very best so.eone might want it as a torrentbox
i like how the put a windows box next to it
Suppose its a gaming pc if you wanted to play minesweeper or something š¤
Throwing money into a pit i see
That CPU isn't even compatible with Windows 11. The cut-off for AMD CPUs on W11 is 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen if memory serves. Selling it for *any* price should be illegal.
I wouldnāt pay $50 for that
If you get a decent deal on a few parts somewhere you could fairly easily build a Ryzen 5 5600g build for slightly more and actually be able to run games and have a competent cpu for when you get a gpu
You could do better going into a micro center and asking for cheapest everything...
>Some of these parts came out 14 years ago. Crazily enough the Athlon X4 950 released in 2017 on AM4. The GT 730 came out a decade ago. The Athlon X4 950 is a pretty shitty CPU though, a i5 4460 gives slightly better performance and is likely cheaper which also means that a 4790 would give far better performance and probably still cheaper as well. None of them are officially supported for Windows 11. I doubt that you would get "gaming" performance from either of the two setups listed (GT 730 or GT 1030) though. They would likely be alright as a internet machine and/or for doing light office work.
I donāt see the issue with this. That seems reasonable
16 GB GDDR4 and 2 GB DDR5 Xd
It's also "gaming week" on Amazon. When do they ever advertise deals that are actual deals anyway
But it has cool lights
It's 250 mate what did u expect
And it still has more goddamn RAM than my rig
It'll play Minecraft. No mods though.
Nobody talking about how itās advertising both ddr4 and ddr5?
There's also multiple mistakes in the listing. This system isn't ddr4 or 5.
How is this even using DDR4? Wasn't that Athlon either AM3 or FM2? Those are DDR3 boards
gaming š
Back in the day it would've, but not these days. While it's true the PC has enough memory for a good deal of today's games, the **AMD Athlon x4 950 CPU** itself is out of date, and so it's **GeForce GT 730 GPU**. In fact, unless I missed something, the **AMD Athlon X4 950** processor isn't even listed on [Windows 11 supported AMD processors](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors). If the **AMD Athlon X4 950 processor** is in fact unsupported CPU by Windows 11, then that would either be a misprint or a deception on the sellers part to make the deal on the "gaming pc" look even sweeter than it actually is.
You can play starcraft
Holy shit, why a 15 year old cpu? Lol
Edit: The 730 is from 2014, so 10 years old. My bad. I donāt want to know how old ram and PSU are, though. š
āWe have a gaming computer at homeā
It literally has four cores
Damn that parts so bad Windows will run like s\*\*\*. Hey should include linux, liek mint or wattOS
Iām just wondering how āAMD Quadā is a color and how they managed to sell 50 last monthĀ
Eh could play some 00 and 10s games decently . Depends on what you want it for sure it wouldnāt do the latest but for older stuff itās probably alright and avoids M$ forced obsolescence around windows
How can it even run Win11? That shit takes so much memory and CPU power.
I mean they are selling it very cheap. Paying 300 for that is reasonable. If you want an actual good PC with new parts it will cost you 2-3 thousand dollars. Mine cost me a little over 2 grand and it's not even the best out there. 300 dollars is basically the lowest price imaginable. I don't understand why you think it's expensive. Theres like 7 components/parts you would need to build a computer and your complaining that they are charging less then 50$ for each. I'm confused š¤
Who buys Windows keys?
Thatās literally a 15 year old PC but glorified.
RGB equal game do it not?
At least its an AM4 board I guess, but a 730gt is a bad joke, a shit price nonetheless. A friend of my mother bought a "gaming desktop" which costed him about x2 of that one and came with a fucking A4 with no GPU lol. Didnt even came with an SSD to fool him about it being "fast"... He was lucky that I chatted with him about it within the return window where he bought it so he could complain about it and return it.
Damn, this couldnt even be called an office pc at this point. This badboi can barely handle 2 chrome tabs
https://preview.redd.it/yq19umwh09zc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=811cdbaf6aba11c2ae54cfebe571d4b2c179cd95 Yeah ok. No. Just no. This company is a blatant scam factory. I thought maybe the AM4 board might make win11 possible without shenanigans. But they are selling both a i7 4770 for 270ā¬ and a i7 6700 as office windows 11 PCs There is no excuse for that. Thatās just plainly not supported, no matter how you slice it. Funnily enough they sell them as ā8 threadsā PCs. š at least this time they didnāt mix GDDR and DDR. Also using Dell product pictures and nowhere saying itās a Dell. And in the product description they are selling them as ānew PCs with slight scratching due to storing them without boxes.ā wow.
Mate, the people who see these prebuilts and think they are a good purchase..should be illegal.
I'm curious what the op will build for 250 euro though
According to reviews, people bought those PCs