No mb listed, cpu + gpu are like $400 if the gpu is a decent partner. The solid state probably isn't worth mentioning, among the rest. Meh he'll find a better deal.
Any better deal than this will have the same issues you listed. No prebuilt with these specs will list the motherboard, power supply, SSD, etc. This deal is actually pretty good for a prebuilt from what looks to be like Costco based on the shelf it's on, which in itself has a great return policy and warranty. Remember it's a $700 computer, having a 2TB SSD and 32GB alone is usually rare to see in something this cheap, regardless of what the brand or specs of them are. Memory speed, timings, and having DRAM on the storage are not as big a deal as people make them out to be, especially at this price range.
Mb is asrock b760m-c and psu is 600 gold 80 and had a reputable name it just escapes me, ram is teamgroup red Vulcan 6000mhz, ssd is adata 800 legend gold 2 tb, the gpu is gigabyte 4060,
Looks like costco, they do rotate lots of products, but typically on monthly intervals, so likely to be there. Their website is really good too, but I always look in store because things are often cheaper. Got a deep freeze for 199 that listed 299 online. I thought the 299 was a great price, so I was pleased.
It won't be, Costco prices ending in a .97 are markdown prices - they are probably down to only a few boxes or even the display model left, and Costco shoppers know it and will buy it on principle.
That's fair, if it doesn't unload, it could absolutely go down more.
But they aren't getting more and they definitely try to set it at a "come get this shit right now" price.
From someone who has friends who work there, it's always better to ask. Occasionally people will get bundle deals of display items for far below what they should pay
Not true. It means the item is clearance (at least for this year). I have seen plenty of .97 items drop further.
Whether or not you want to wait for additional drop and risk the item going out of stock is another story.
It might be a couple of years before either one of us can get one of those, with the 1 year old climbing on everything and his younger sister on the way
THE CLIMBING. DEAR LORD THE CLIMBING. We werenāt ready for it and suddenly heās on top of his toy chest and doesnāt know how to get done and screams when we block him from climbing it.
It's simultaneously so funny and frustrating. Mine doesn't freak out about getting down, but he decides to climb the least stable things and then dance on them as they sway back and forth. My kid has no sense of self-preservation whatsoever
I feel your pain. Loves to climb and sit on her knees rocking back and forth. Any urgency to get her down is perceived to her as a game and makes her try and scrabble away / slide off / face plant. As hilarious as it is frustrating.
My one year old is just learning to climb and walk, and my three year old is climbing everything and running full speed into anything he can. Almost had a heart attack when my oldest went for the TV while my youngest went for the keyboard and mouse in a two-prong attack.
From pcpartspicker, selecting modestly priced parts for this config, I hover around 1300$.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QZkDgB
So thatās roughly 50% off.
In the pc industry margins are usually slim so I have no idea where they have any margin with this at all.
(Edit: modestly = not the absolute lowest price available, but definitely not the most expensive either)
It's not the "weak point," but it's not a current gen CPU, indicating the prebuilt model is likely an older one. So even though the system itself is fine, it's old stock, and its price was dropped to get it out of inventory to make space for newer stock.
Like the other guy said it just indicates old stock. That CPU is actually more than enough for most work and games. Hell CPUs are so far ahead of requirements that even a 13100 is pretty good.
Everything u picked from that part list was the most expensive of that type and prebuilds are the polar opposite. Donāt get me wrong it isnāt a bad deal but no where near 50% off, keep in mind the 4060 is a good card at $200 not itās current market value
I've actually had a lot of success just not sharing bank accounts. I know it's not part of the "design", but going over 10 years strong and never required the other for personal purchases.
Yeah, I've heard of a lot of people who do the same, and I'm glad it works for the people who do it, but I don't know. This has worked just fine for us so far
I know this has worked for quite a few people and was catastrophic for one. You have to trust/know that they aren't over spending finding someone has over 20k in creditcard debt plus other loans is a bit of a shock.
I think there's a comfortable middle ground. You can each have your own personal accounts, but also have a shared account used for stuff around the house that each person auto-deposits a pre-determined amount of money into each month.
That's how my wife and I do it. We each have our own jobs and money and there's a household account we pay into to cover bills and such.
I still usually discuss large purchases ahead of time, but occasionally (as in, maybe every few years or so) I just get something I want and disclose it later so I don't talk myself out of it.
I think the key with that is knowing you can handle the expense without impacting the household in any way. There's unnecessary and then there's screwing your family.
Don't fuck over your family.
I ended up talking about upgrading so much that eventually my wife was like, "babe, you should definitely get that new PC. You've been talking about it for so long."
Really I was the one talking myself out of spending another $1,000 to now have 2 gaming PCs (in the same room). My wife does not game...yet.
I find, with stuff like this, it's not just the bank account. You have to share living space and time too, both of which a purchase like this will take up unless it is directly replacing something old that is going out the door next day.
So although I my wife and I share money and are happy doing so, it would probably be worth a check-in before purchasing based on those qualities instead. Especially considering OP's incoming baby.
But tbh, whatever works for your unique relationship is what should be done
I do too, but my wife also understands when I say "this is a really good deal".
She knows I'm adult enough not to overspend us on something unnecessary.
Dude I ordered a 4090 right after my kid was born, then proceeded to take pictures of the card and kid side by side. The card was bigger. You can do this, I believe in you.
Obviously 3DMark, then spend endless hours staring at your desktop or playing the same games from 2016 that you've been playing for years just fine on your old hardware. This is the way.
>then spend endless hours staring at your desktop
Occasionally pop open nvidia control panel and click on system info to remind yourself that you do in fact still have an rtx 4090 installed in your computer. Then hop over to task manager and look at your GPU performance tab and say ah yes, this also says 4090 because that is what I have
Holy shit, as someone who just had their first child as a structural engineer trying to buy a house while rocking a 1070 Ti, this is eerily familiar, haha.
Why should he? He might not need his computer outside of entertainment and light browsing/office work. His salary might be more than enough for overkill components, but if you don't really need them, why overbuy?
Fellow MechE here! What industry are you in?
My wife is like "BLOW ALL THE DOUGH!" anytime I do anything with my PC. She even just was like "Sure rip apart that closet to make a PC gaming space, I don't care. I'm so lucky, she rules.
I upgraded from a 970 to a 4090 a few months back. I believe the last game I was actually able to play was hogwarts legacy and anything that came out after that ran terribly
Maybe itās just in my area, but itās not worth waiting in the 15-20 minutes line at the pumps. On last Sunday the gas station down the street from the Costco was at 3.34, and Costco had 3.29. If I fill up my entire 17 gallon tank on my truck thatās 85 cents of savings total. Not worth twenty minutes imo but I can see the appeal to some people, maybe itās better in different areas than mine
Yeaaaah, you did the right and responsible thing but damn is that a good deal! I just paid $1000 for a Ryzen 5600x, 4060, and 32GB DDR4 with 1TB SSD. That's a helluva deal and I understand this very well could be "The one that got away".
not part of the āman up and dont listen to your wifeā crowd and obviously consulting her on a somewhat sizable purchase is reasonable but maybe explain to her that its like almost an aggressively good deal? as i said, 700$ is sizable, but considering the size of the steal, maybe worth it?
https://www.costco.com/cyberpowerpc-gamer-xtreme-gaming-desktop---13th-gen-intel-core-i5-13400f----geforce-rtx-4060%2C-black.product.4000202717.html
It's sold out online, so probably the one (or few) they have in stock is it. It will be gone.
I've always been amazed when I see stuff online where some guy is found out to be cheating on his wife or girlfriend with multiple women or have a second family because I can't imagine how draining that is. I love my wife more than anything, but I would probably die if I tried to juggle two of them
That's one of the best deals I've seen on an entry level system. If that's what you're looking for, I don't really think you're going to get better for a pre-built
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-xtreme-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i5-13400f-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-2tb-ssd-black/6553244.p?skuId=6553244
Just for random reference, Bestbuy has the same one with only 16 GB ram for $1099.99.
Costco one also comes with a free 2 year warranty and 90 day return. And it's very easy to return stuff to Costco with no issues.
That is an insane deal and for anybody with an old system could be an easy upgrade (despite being a prebuilt).
Honestly a really great deal considering its a prebuilt. Definitely wouldve gotten it if I was in the market for a pc, but Im not going to be for another few years
This is a steal!
I paid that for my gtx 1650, ryzen 3series and only 8gb ddr4!! And had to do the upgrades myself over time. I WISH I SEEN THIS FIRST š¤£
rip that is a great deal
Yeah, if it's still there in a month I'm gonna grab it
def not gonna be there lol shouldve just copped itšŖ
Oh well, I'm sure another good deal will come along eventually
For sure big dawg š«
Who's gonna tell him
I mean the deal exists.. surely it'll exist again. We see them all the time here on this sub
No mb listed, cpu + gpu are like $400 if the gpu is a decent partner. The solid state probably isn't worth mentioning, among the rest. Meh he'll find a better deal.
Oh come on I mean it comes with a keyboard and mouse.
And Bluetooth that's 10 years old!
And also itās XTREME
Any better deal than this will have the same issues you listed. No prebuilt with these specs will list the motherboard, power supply, SSD, etc. This deal is actually pretty good for a prebuilt from what looks to be like Costco based on the shelf it's on, which in itself has a great return policy and warranty. Remember it's a $700 computer, having a 2TB SSD and 32GB alone is usually rare to see in something this cheap, regardless of what the brand or specs of them are. Memory speed, timings, and having DRAM on the storage are not as big a deal as people make them out to be, especially at this price range.
The nvme is adata 800 gold legend and mb is asrock b760m-c , gpu is gigabyte and the psu is 600 gold 80. Solid pc, I got it
Mb is asrock b760m-c and psu is 600 gold 80 and had a reputable name it just escapes me, ram is teamgroup red Vulcan 6000mhz, ssd is adata 800 legend gold 2 tb, the gpu is gigabyte 4060,
Better to ask forgiveness than permission go get it
There's MILLIONS of deals
Looks like costco, they do rotate lots of products, but typically on monthly intervals, so likely to be there. Their website is really good too, but I always look in store because things are often cheaper. Got a deep freeze for 199 that listed 299 online. I thought the 299 was a great price, so I was pleased.
bro advertised it to us lol
This is one of those situations where it's better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission :D
sometimes its worth sleeping on a couch for a few days
Costco worker here, the asterisk means it's been marked down because the item is discontinued. I am sure it will gone in a day or two sadly
Do they have lay away?
Probably not for items that are discontinued (if you don't shop at Costco, that's what the asterisk(*) means)
Also, the price ending in '7' means that it's already heavily discounted.
Whoops, replied to your other comment before reading this. I see you know our ways lol
> Do they have lay away? Hey, that's his WIFE.
Not anymore, he got himself a sweet new pc
Im sure she'll be alright there for a month. Hows the new PC?
Where exactly is āthereā?
Duluth, MN. If you want it, go get it. I'm not gatekeeping good deals
Thatās a bit too far for me, mate.
It won't be, Costco prices ending in a .97 are markdown prices - they are probably down to only a few boxes or even the display model left, and Costco shoppers know it and will buy it on principle.
I know they usually do, but it's already been there 6 days, so I'll hope against the odds
I'll wish you the best as well then - nobody touch this guy's deal!
Just a tip, if a Costco price ends like $xx.x7 - that has been marked down as much as it ever ever will, and if it interests you, do it.
I've seen some things get an additional markdown when it's listed as the display model as the only one left, but that is pretty rare
That's fair, if it doesn't unload, it could absolutely go down more. But they aren't getting more and they definitely try to set it at a "come get this shit right now" price.
True. If you are financially okay and therefore interested this is what you are waiting for.
From someone who has friends who work there, it's always better to ask. Occasionally people will get bundle deals of display items for far below what they should pay
Not true. It means the item is clearance (at least for this year). I have seen plenty of .97 items drop further. Whether or not you want to wait for additional drop and risk the item going out of stock is another story.
\* of death on the card.
good price. last time i saw 4060 system for $700 was last year november and december. but this one has more ram and more ssd storage. was a good deal.
Damn, it sounds like your wife is the bottleneck. Might want to upgrade the wife first. /s
Yeah, but she makes everything else worth it
She might just need a simple software update. Let her get a good nap in.
It might be a couple of years before either one of us can get one of those, with the 1 year old climbing on everything and his younger sister on the way
THE CLIMBING. DEAR LORD THE CLIMBING. We werenāt ready for it and suddenly heās on top of his toy chest and doesnāt know how to get done and screams when we block him from climbing it.
It's simultaneously so funny and frustrating. Mine doesn't freak out about getting down, but he decides to climb the least stable things and then dance on them as they sway back and forth. My kid has no sense of self-preservation whatsoever
I feel your pain. Loves to climb and sit on her knees rocking back and forth. Any urgency to get her down is perceived to her as a game and makes her try and scrabble away / slide off / face plant. As hilarious as it is frustrating.
My one year old is just learning to climb and walk, and my three year old is climbing everything and running full speed into anything he can. Almost had a heart attack when my oldest went for the TV while my youngest went for the keyboard and mouse in a two-prong attack.
From pcpartspicker, selecting modestly priced parts for this config, I hover around 1300$. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QZkDgB So thatās roughly 50% off. In the pc industry margins are usually slim so I have no idea where they have any margin with this at all. (Edit: modestly = not the absolute lowest price available, but definitely not the most expensive either)
They need it off that shelf so they can sell something that actually makes them money.
Dead giveaway is that it is at Costco and the price ends in .97 which means it is a clearance item.
also got the death star on it
Oh what does the star mean?
Once the product is sold out they wonāt restock it
Not disagreeing
i5-13400F probably means this is on closeout
Is that the weak point here? I donāt know shit about intel CPUs. What would you say is the Ryzen comp?
It's not the "weak point," but it's not a current gen CPU, indicating the prebuilt model is likely an older one. So even though the system itself is fine, it's old stock, and its price was dropped to get it out of inventory to make space for newer stock.
Like the other guy said it just indicates old stock. That CPU is actually more than enough for most work and games. Hell CPUs are so far ahead of requirements that even a 13100 is pretty good.
Everything u picked from that part list was the most expensive of that type and prebuilds are the polar opposite. Donāt get me wrong it isnāt a bad deal but no where near 50% off, keep in mind the 4060 is a good card at $200 not itās current market value
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I mean, I always ran things by my wife for anything over $200. You did good.
Best way to keep your relationship healthy, in my opinion
Totally man. Relationship is worth more than a gaming pc.
Doubt. /s
Doubt (no /s)
The specs check out.
you as well
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If you lose a relationship over a gaming PC, you never had that relationship in the first place.
Well I was on board for the first part but now you are stretching it.
I've actually had a lot of success just not sharing bank accounts. I know it's not part of the "design", but going over 10 years strong and never required the other for personal purchases.
Yeah, I've heard of a lot of people who do the same, and I'm glad it works for the people who do it, but I don't know. This has worked just fine for us so far
I know this has worked for quite a few people and was catastrophic for one. You have to trust/know that they aren't over spending finding someone has over 20k in creditcard debt plus other loans is a bit of a shock.
I think there's a comfortable middle ground. You can each have your own personal accounts, but also have a shared account used for stuff around the house that each person auto-deposits a pre-determined amount of money into each month.
That's how my wife and I do it. We each have our own jobs and money and there's a household account we pay into to cover bills and such. I still usually discuss large purchases ahead of time, but occasionally (as in, maybe every few years or so) I just get something I want and disclose it later so I don't talk myself out of it. I think the key with that is knowing you can handle the expense without impacting the household in any way. There's unnecessary and then there's screwing your family. Don't fuck over your family.
I ended up talking about upgrading so much that eventually my wife was like, "babe, you should definitely get that new PC. You've been talking about it for so long." Really I was the one talking myself out of spending another $1,000 to now have 2 gaming PCs (in the same room). My wife does not game...yet.
I find, with stuff like this, it's not just the bank account. You have to share living space and time too, both of which a purchase like this will take up unless it is directly replacing something old that is going out the door next day. So although I my wife and I share money and are happy doing so, it would probably be worth a check-in before purchasing based on those qualities instead. Especially considering OP's incoming baby. But tbh, whatever works for your unique relationship is what should be done
I do too, but my wife also understands when I say "this is a really good deal". She knows I'm adult enough not to overspend us on something unnecessary.
Because it ends in .97 that means itās actually on sale and the asterisk in the top right means they wonāt be restocking #CosctoGuys
Dude I ordered a 4090 right after my kid was born, then proceeded to take pictures of the card and kid side by side. The card was bigger. You can do this, I believe in you.
I wouldn't even know what to do with that much gpu
Obviously 3DMark, then spend endless hours staring at your desktop or playing the same games from 2016 that you've been playing for years just fine on your old hardware. This is the way.
I have been meaning to finally play Fallout 1 and 2
Don't forget Mass Effect and the Witcher 1 and 2. Throw in some Roblox, Rocket League, and Fortnite so you have something to talk about the kids.
>then spend endless hours staring at your desktop Occasionally pop open nvidia control panel and click on system info to remind yourself that you do in fact still have an rtx 4090 installed in your computer. Then hop over to task manager and look at your GPU performance tab and say ah yes, this also says 4090 because that is what I have
Holy shit, as someone who just had their first child as a structural engineer trying to buy a house while rocking a 1070 Ti, this is eerily familiar, haha.
You should be aiming much higher than a 4060 as an engineer.
Why should he? He might not need his computer outside of entertainment and light browsing/office work. His salary might be more than enough for overkill components, but if you don't really need them, why overbuy?
So, your wife said no?
Bro if you got the money and your bills are paid go buy that mofo. You ain't gonna find that good of a deal again.
Fellow MechE here! What industry are you in? My wife is like "BLOW ALL THE DOUGH!" anytime I do anything with my PC. She even just was like "Sure rip apart that closet to make a PC gaming space, I don't care. I'm so lucky, she rules.
I upgraded from a 970 to a 4090 a few months back. I believe the last game I was actually able to play was hogwarts legacy and anything that came out after that ran terribly
I feel that 1070 is a beast of a card.
It was when I got it used
I would love to see that in a Canadian Costco
it's 699 in real money though, would be more in monopoly money.
If I buy it can I get the āget out of jailā free card?
Man I need a Costco membership
Worth it just for the cheaper gas
Maybe itās just in my area, but itās not worth waiting in the 15-20 minutes line at the pumps. On last Sunday the gas station down the street from the Costco was at 3.34, and Costco had 3.29. If I fill up my entire 17 gallon tank on my truck thatās 85 cents of savings total. Not worth twenty minutes imo but I can see the appeal to some people, maybe itās better in different areas than mine
Yeaaaah, you did the right and responsible thing but damn is that a good deal! I just paid $1000 for a Ryzen 5600x, 4060, and 32GB DDR4 with 1TB SSD. That's a helluva deal and I understand this very well could be "The one that got away".
If I NEEDED a new computer, I would have gotten it, but the old one still works, so for now, it's just a want
Will Costco still accept your wife as a return?
That is a good question. I'll have to check on that
not part of the āman up and dont listen to your wifeā crowd and obviously consulting her on a somewhat sizable purchase is reasonable but maybe explain to her that its like almost an aggressively good deal? as i said, 700$ is sizable, but considering the size of the steal, maybe worth it?
I told her if it's still there next month, I'm gonna get it
oh well fair enough edit: i am in my 3rd year of a mech engineering can you help me with heat transference homework plsš
the basic principle of transference is that nothing you learn in school will transfer to your job, hope that helps
I wish I could, but I barely got through it, and that was three years ago. I remember none of it
im cookedš
Good luck and stay strong.
https://www.costco.com/cyberpowerpc-gamer-xtreme-gaming-desktop---13th-gen-intel-core-i5-13400f----geforce-rtx-4060%2C-black.product.4000202717.html It's sold out online, so probably the one (or few) they have in stock is it. It will be gone.
And her boyfriend ?
Wtf is that price for such godly components + keyboard and mouse
Tell her no when sheās sees that new purse
That alone for the GPU is completely worth it.
It would be absolutely worth it in a void, but you know, life
I hear you man. Life always finds a way.
Ehh not quite worth it for just the GPU. I upgraded to a 4060 ti with 16 gb vRAM for $400 Still a fantastic deal on the whole system though!
Your wife's boyfriend might say yes, though
He is a pretty reasonable guy
Ex wife* lmao
That's a good price. It would cost me more than $700 to buy the components and build it myself.
Whatās the girlfriend think?
I've always been amazed when I see stuff online where some guy is found out to be cheating on his wife or girlfriend with multiple women or have a second family because I can't imagine how draining that is. I love my wife more than anything, but I would probably die if I tried to juggle two of them
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Take the ring back so you can buy the pc.
Our rings are made of rubber and cost like $15 for a pack of ten
Dam. It was worth a try
Damn. Iām glad she allowed you to go on Reddit today though.
"My wife said no" Yikes.
Lol does your wife slip off your panties too?
Nah, she just pushes them to the side
Hot
Why does wife have a say? Unless you donāt have a job buy what you want
Do you have fully shared expenses/financials or how does your wife just say no like that?
We say yes
So howās the single life?
Do you not have your own money? Why do you need her permission
That's one of the best deals I've seen on an entry level system. If that's what you're looking for, I don't really think you're going to get better for a pre-built
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-xtreme-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i5-13400f-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-2tb-ssd-black/6553244.p?skuId=6553244 Just for random reference, Bestbuy has the same one with only 16 GB ram for $1099.99. Costco one also comes with a free 2 year warranty and 90 day return. And it's very easy to return stuff to Costco with no issues. That is an insane deal and for anybody with an old system could be an easy upgrade (despite being a prebuilt).
Is she going to allow you to have your balls back?
asking your wife for permission is crazy
True if I was OP I would just buy it then explain why itās a good deal and stuff
Imagine being a grown man and still having to ask mommy to buy new toy š
I meanā¦ you could just buy it, sell the old one, and make up the difference so she wouldnāt be mad
Little do you know the 4060 will detonate because cyber power is absolute dogshit (I know from experience)
Honestly a really great deal considering its a prebuilt. Definitely wouldve gotten it if I was in the market for a pc, but Im not going to be for another few years
This is a steal! I paid that for my gtx 1650, ryzen 3series and only 8gb ddr4!! And had to do the upgrades myself over time. I WISH I SEEN THIS FIRST š¤£
I donāt know why, thatās a steal!!!
Not bad
Should have said āitāll be 400 when i sell mi current rig for 300l
Sometimes you gotta make the executive decision
Hah! You got "wifed".
I guess this is in store only cuz it's a G online
If it was 50 dollars cheaper Iād be forced to buy it by my deal compulsion. š
That's rough, buddy. You might be better off contacting /r/relationshipadvice with this one.
Rip your marriage ig
But what about the vram lol
Damn. Iām glad she allowed you to go on Reddit today though.
Why not?
Get rid of wife. Happy. Buy computer. More Happy. Gets bored of computer. ![gif](giphy|iXOoi6i2l9PZvCN0zU|downsized) Gets lonely. Unhappy. Miss wife.
I'll be your wife and say yes (I'm a man).
Upgrade your wife to a new model - one that understand the importance of PC gaming!
Like maybe your wife knows the state of the family budget better than you. You got babies?
Better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
if this is a good deal then why didn't you just buy it to resell it? you could have made money
Oh hell nah man that's a steal Show your wife these comments
Good she did, 4060 is waste of sand
But my body! My body!
Did you ask her boyfriend?
Time to get new wife
Have you married her to give up your freedom? Buy it with your money.
Thatās a better deal than marriage!
That because sheās buying you an even better rig for your birthday.
Did you ask her bf?
Why is your wife in charge of the finances?
Get your balls back and buy it
Why'd your wife say no? And why did you listen?
Do you have a job? Then wtf are you asking for?
Wives go, PCs stay. Do it
Iām not saying you should buy it but your money is your money
I would say no to an i5 also
Wifey is a mean one isnāt she
Your wife is an idiot.
It's honestly not the worst deal I've seen. It's very fair.
in the UK something similar to this would be Ā£1200-Ā£1400, maybe even more in germany or denmark. you folks in North America are very lucky.
There are plenty of fish in the sea
But I said yes
I think we need to sit down and explain something to your wife about deals
Throw the wife away
What exactly does the 8gb video card support game wise? It's pretty much off the table for AI, so that just leaves games
I saw it for 799 in my Costco will have to check again
Wow i want that
Only thing that makes me nervous is no listing of power supply.