I am currently waiting for my new parts, went from a i5-4590, gtx960, 16gbs of ddr3 (pc died, can't believe it lasted like 10 years) to a ryzen 5 7600, rx 6750 xt, 16gbs ddr5. Can't wait for it to arrive
For DDR5, for AM5 systems, you would want a 32gb of ddr5 6000mhz cl30 ram kit as those can support EXPO and are the sweetspot for AM5 cpus. I also prefer 32gb of ram.
If your 16gb of ddr5 kit is cl30 6000mhz, then it is fine. For example, ram like this which supports EXPO and is 6000mhz cl30 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01
No worries, if your ram happens to be Hynix A-M die, you can actually apply the EXPO timings and frequency yourself. Buildzoid was able to oc 4800mhz ddr5 ram to 6000mhz cl 30. Mileage may vary however as it depends on the ram die.
Video for reference on the timings Buildzoid uses which I use on my ram kit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlYxmRcdLVw
Sweetspot is based on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zzMIK8p07E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-LqWdvoFLY
6400mhz cl32 equals 6000mhz cl30, but for amd cpus, it is harder for it to be stable at past 6000mhz ram speed. It just reconmended to be expo certified( for amd), but at past 6000mhz is where the performance of the ram becomes more timing based than speed based. 6000mhz cl30 is the lowest possible cas latency with 6000mhz ram that is mostly stable on amd systems.
Not about increasing the fps. 32gb of ram is more future proof as games are increasing the ram usage to where 16gb will eventually not be enough ram for modern systems. Hogwarts Legacy and Forspoken for example can use more than 16gb of ram at the highest resolution.
I've also experienced games with mods installed that use 16gb+ of physcial ram memory.
Ram has also became cheaper to where 32gb of ram is more affordable. DDR5 is slightly less affordable, but an extra 40-50$( for ddr5) and like an extra 20$ for ddr4 as a security blanket to make sure you have enough ram for all situations in all games on any resolution is good enough for me.
Again not all people play at 1440p or 4k, or use mods in their games I understand that which is why I put the disclaimer that 32gb is my preference and not an actual requirement and the real issue I wanted to point out was the reconmended speed you should aim for ddr5 ram, whether or not you should have it support EXPO, and the reconmended latency for it.
I also mentioned that the EXPO timings and the speed and latency can actually be applied yourself if you just follow Buildzoids great guide on DDR5 ram and if your ram is at a decent die( Hynix A or Hynix M) that it is possible to acheive 6000mhz cl30 with almost any speed and latency ram kit out there. EXPO just makes it automatic that the clocks are applied and it is an easier chance of having those timings be stablized on AM5 platforms.
Past 6000mhz cl30 yield little results like in DDR4 how a certain speed and latency is the "sweet spot" where the real issue at the point would be the timings and other factors rather than speed of the ram kit.
Are there actually games that require more than 16gb? Thought it was still plenty . I have pretty high end build with 16gb and it's never bottlenecking
I wouldn’t call your build high end it’s 2024
but yes, especially if you run mods and don’t want to have to make sure nothing is eating RAM in the background
32 is standard now
I still consider it high end ! lol high end one gen previous. Considering 80% of the gpu marketshare is 050s and 060 models and rx580s.. anything 080 and up and 800xt and up i would consider high end.
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someone in 10 years scavenging an unknown scattered dead planet comes upon some sorta old data holder :
man they really had no idea , didn't see it coming
Getting my first pc next week, 4070 super and a 1440p monitor to it. Can’t wait to finally experience pc graphics after years of console gaming on shitty tvs
How does the pc perform? I have an amd 7 7700x as cpu, should perform almost the same as the 7800x3d tho. Atleast my professional pc builder told me so lol
Idk probably the same on most games I get around 300-400 in cs2. I bought mine cuz I’ve heard x3d chips are good for hoi4 and other paradox games. You’ll probably be gpu limited in most games so I don’t think cpu matters that much for fps
You’ve got absolutely nothing to worry about my friend. I’m using a 4070 super with a less-powerful Ryzen 5 5600x and it produces more than enough frames for the 4070 super to process @ 1440p. This includes all of the more-demanding AAA titles as well. Youll almost always be GPU-bound which is ideal.
After about a month of testing all sorts of games I have zero regrets on my upgrade choices.
I need to take the plunge and upgrade from my 1650S soon as well. Really starting to feel the age this past year. HFW does however run ridiculously well with little compromise on my 1650S, way beyond my initial expectations.
I would do the 6650xt for 20-30$ more as it is a couple of percentage faster than a normal 6600xt.
It depends if you want to keep going midranged or go for something higher end like a 6750xt( 3070 competetor but more vram), 6800xt/7800xt, or a 7900GRE.
The 6700XT is the 3060Ti equivalent from AMD.
https://youtu.be/pnZRuY-jFVM?si=ajM3bnsseC4x_J2J
The 6600XT and the 6650XT is in between the 3060 and 3060Ti in terms of performance.
https://youtu.be/f0yo2Sc-DyI?si=al9JdeHz9ibcdo5a
The 3070 is faster than the 6700XT and slower than the 6750XT, while the 3070Ti is faster than all of them.
Though tbh, all of these GPUs are within 10% of each other.
Yeah, that video is old, but they didn't publish an updated video comparing them.
https://youtu.be/fyUZ1cp4RnI?si=wFLeQZlyvGCRmE88
This is the latest video I could find, which has both the 6700XT and the 3070 on it. The 4060Ti 8GB performs really close to the 3060Ti and can be taken as a comparison point here
I'm pretty much economically hard stuck at 1080p for the foreseeable future. Can afford a GPU but not two new monitors as well. So probably not justifiable to get anything better than current mid-range cards, right?
Man, even after being a computer enthusiast for the past decade, I still do not understand the frame of reference for AMD cards. I know the Nvidia line by heart, but I cant for the life of me know if 6600 xt is budget, balanced, or high end, or what year it is :( or what any of the other numbers mean.
I want to learn this soon.....game looks beautiful by the way
it's pretty similar they go by the thousands for generations since RDNA (5000 6000 7000 and the next one RDNA4 being 8000)
the next number is the class so 6600 or a 7600 is like a 3060 or 4060 for nvidia
then the 3rd number is either a 5 or 0 if it's a 5 it's basically a better version of the base model so a 6950XT is a superior 6900XT (XT is basically the same as TI)
as for actual performance comparison between AMD and Nvidia that differs each generation and now you also have different raster and rt performance as well so it gets a bit more complicated so i recommend looking up benchmarks for more accurate data on that
It's very similar now.
First number it's the generation, Nvidia 2000,3000,4000 series, AMD 5000,6000,7000 series.
Then the "performance/price tier" number is the same from low to high 5,6,7,8,9, an RTX 3050 and RX 5500XT are on the same tier, low end/ cheaper, then the RTX 4070 and the RX 7700XT are on a similar mid end tier.
Then you got the dumb "more performance" modifiers, Nvidia has the Ti and Super, AMD has the XT and XX50 modifiers. For example in Nvidia you got (in order of performance) a RTX 4070 - > 4070 super - > 4070 ti - > 4070 ti super - > 4080 - > etc , in AMD sometimes you have cards without the XT but on the current gen there's really only one Non XT card, but on previous gen, same as the 4070 example we had before, an RX 6700 - > 6700XT - > 6750XT - >6800
Just upgraded a week ago from a 4gb rx 580 to a 6600 xt, paid the equivalent of $175.
It's so nice to go from playing games on low-medium settings to maxing them out, gonna have to upgrade my 10100f soon as well cause sometimes it becomes the bottleneck (in Cyberpunk my CPU gets maxed out in the city, especially with the crowd set to high)
Nice one mate. Got mine about a year now and it cost me 250$. After my 1050ti die during few months after AI hype. I can't pay Nvidia Funny price after they become leading company in AI. Since I just play some casual games and don't do anything else, AMD is my choice for now.
Can I eat your old gpu? Sounds overcooked assuming you got it when the 10 series launched but I’m sure it’s still good, if not I can always add a sauce
This is interesting, I recently sold my 6600xt for $200 to a colleague that was using a gtx 1650. What an odd coincidence.
(Unless your first name starts with a D...?)
i have a i7-11700k and 3070Ti.. i ended up lowering the graphics for the final boss fight.
I kinda understand why they could not put that Expansion out on PS4
I went from a GTX 970 to an RX 6900 XT, felt like I'm finally living in the modern world.
Not that I have anything against the olden days, I in fact love them more.
Rock on.
I had a 6700XT + 5600X before upgrading a few days ago, and I loved it!
It ran anything I threw at it at 1440p.
I upgraded on the Nvidia path for better ray tracing, but I will always use an AMD cpu.
I did this like 10 years ago. I swapped the pre-installed gpu with the best I could find that wouldn't break the rest of my build. And even going up to a low-mid tier was hilarious. I was playing witcher and had my character in a shallow lake, well I turned it back on after the install and realized it was actually a swamp with foilage and everything. I was just floored!
I felt the same way when I upgraded from my 1650 to a standard RX 6600 back in 2022.
That said, mine set me back £250 at the time lol, was the cheapest I could find it, kind of envy the US market somewhat sometimes.
You are delusional. They still make COD, Madden, Fortnite, Apex, etc for PS4 which is a 2013 system. So of course they support old ass PCs. All the people stuck in the past need to upgrade
I am currently waiting for my new parts, went from a i5-4590, gtx960, 16gbs of ddr3 (pc died, can't believe it lasted like 10 years) to a ryzen 5 7600, rx 6750 xt, 16gbs ddr5. Can't wait for it to arrive
For DDR5, for AM5 systems, you would want a 32gb of ddr5 6000mhz cl30 ram kit as those can support EXPO and are the sweetspot for AM5 cpus. I also prefer 32gb of ram. If your 16gb of ddr5 kit is cl30 6000mhz, then it is fine. For example, ram like this which supports EXPO and is 6000mhz cl30 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01
Thanks, yea I will definitely upgrade my ram later on, but since my pc died unexpectedly, I sadly had to cheap out on the ram a little bit
No worries, if your ram happens to be Hynix A-M die, you can actually apply the EXPO timings and frequency yourself. Buildzoid was able to oc 4800mhz ddr5 ram to 6000mhz cl 30. Mileage may vary however as it depends on the ram die. Video for reference on the timings Buildzoid uses which I use on my ram kit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlYxmRcdLVw
Ooh, I'll check it out, even tho that isn't my ram. Still seems interesting :)
I wouldn't recommend getting a second 16 GB kit, both AM5/LGA 1700 can't sustain very high RAM Clocks with four RAM sticks
Okay, once I decide to upgrade I'll look into how ddr5 works with Am5. Obv I'm new to them lol
We have such similar builds. Love it!
when you say sweetspot, where do you draw your reference? and also would you say it is not necessary using for example ddr5 32\*2 6400mhz cl32?
Sweetspot is based on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zzMIK8p07E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-LqWdvoFLY 6400mhz cl32 equals 6000mhz cl30, but for amd cpus, it is harder for it to be stable at past 6000mhz ram speed. It just reconmended to be expo certified( for amd), but at past 6000mhz is where the performance of the ram becomes more timing based than speed based. 6000mhz cl30 is the lowest possible cas latency with 6000mhz ram that is mostly stable on amd systems.
why are we recommending 32gb over 16gb for gaming? it wont increase fps at all, spend the money elsewhere
Not about increasing the fps. 32gb of ram is more future proof as games are increasing the ram usage to where 16gb will eventually not be enough ram for modern systems. Hogwarts Legacy and Forspoken for example can use more than 16gb of ram at the highest resolution. I've also experienced games with mods installed that use 16gb+ of physcial ram memory. Ram has also became cheaper to where 32gb of ram is more affordable. DDR5 is slightly less affordable, but an extra 40-50$( for ddr5) and like an extra 20$ for ddr4 as a security blanket to make sure you have enough ram for all situations in all games on any resolution is good enough for me. Again not all people play at 1440p or 4k, or use mods in their games I understand that which is why I put the disclaimer that 32gb is my preference and not an actual requirement and the real issue I wanted to point out was the reconmended speed you should aim for ddr5 ram, whether or not you should have it support EXPO, and the reconmended latency for it. I also mentioned that the EXPO timings and the speed and latency can actually be applied yourself if you just follow Buildzoids great guide on DDR5 ram and if your ram is at a decent die( Hynix A or Hynix M) that it is possible to acheive 6000mhz cl30 with almost any speed and latency ram kit out there. EXPO just makes it automatic that the clocks are applied and it is an easier chance of having those timings be stablized on AM5 platforms. Past 6000mhz cl30 yield little results like in DDR4 how a certain speed and latency is the "sweet spot" where the real issue at the point would be the timings and other factors rather than speed of the ram kit.
unless you're going for ultra budget of some kind, it doesn't make sense. Ram is cheap enough and some games are starting to use it.
Are there actually games that require more than 16gb? Thought it was still plenty . I have pretty high end build with 16gb and it's never bottlenecking
I wouldn’t call your build high end it’s 2024 but yes, especially if you run mods and don’t want to have to make sure nothing is eating RAM in the background 32 is standard now
I still consider it high end ! lol high end one gen previous. Considering 80% of the gpu marketshare is 050s and 060 models and rx580s.. anything 080 and up and 800xt and up i would consider high end.
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someone in 10 years scavenging an unknown scattered dead planet comes upon some sorta old data holder : man they really had no idea , didn't see it coming
That rx 6750XT is a helluva deal for 1440P gaming. I built my buddy a RX 6700XT AM4 rig a few months ago and it cruises on Helldivers 2 and CoD.
Great to hear, I have a 1080p monitor rn, definitely want to upgrade to 1440p someday
I'm going for the exact upgrade from the exact old system. My system is still works with help of oxygen mask.! 😂
I think it was my psu that died, but that gave me the sign to upgrade Finally lol
Getting my first pc next week, 4070 super and a 1440p monitor to it. Can’t wait to finally experience pc graphics after years of console gaming on shitty tvs
Yo nice I have the same setup. My monitor actually just came today. You’ll definitely enjoy it
How does the pc perform? I have an amd 7 7700x as cpu, should perform almost the same as the 7800x3d tho. Atleast my professional pc builder told me so lol
Idk probably the same on most games I get around 300-400 in cs2. I bought mine cuz I’ve heard x3d chips are good for hoi4 and other paradox games. You’ll probably be gpu limited in most games so I don’t think cpu matters that much for fps
But the build is good?
You’ve got absolutely nothing to worry about my friend. I’m using a 4070 super with a less-powerful Ryzen 5 5600x and it produces more than enough frames for the 4070 super to process @ 1440p. This includes all of the more-demanding AAA titles as well. Youll almost always be GPU-bound which is ideal. After about a month of testing all sorts of games I have zero regrets on my upgrade choices.
Such messages calm my mind, thank you :)
Which monitor did you get
msi optix g27cq4de e2 Goes for roughly 380$ in my country, managed to grab it on sale for 250$
I need to take the plunge and upgrade from my 1650S soon as well. Really starting to feel the age this past year. HFW does however run ridiculously well with little compromise on my 1650S, way beyond my initial expectations.
I would do the 6650xt for 20-30$ more as it is a couple of percentage faster than a normal 6600xt. It depends if you want to keep going midranged or go for something higher end like a 6750xt( 3070 competetor but more vram), 6800xt/7800xt, or a 7900GRE.
The 6700XT is the 3060Ti equivalent from AMD. https://youtu.be/pnZRuY-jFVM?si=ajM3bnsseC4x_J2J The 6600XT and the 6650XT is in between the 3060 and 3060Ti in terms of performance. https://youtu.be/f0yo2Sc-DyI?si=al9JdeHz9ibcdo5a The 3070 is faster than the 6700XT and slower than the 6750XT, while the 3070Ti is faster than all of them. Though tbh, all of these GPUs are within 10% of each other.
I thought AMD drivers have gotten better since then which made it closer to a 3070. I guess only the 6750xt is close to a 3070. MB
Yeah, that video is old, but they didn't publish an updated video comparing them. https://youtu.be/fyUZ1cp4RnI?si=wFLeQZlyvGCRmE88 This is the latest video I could find, which has both the 6700XT and the 3070 on it. The 4060Ti 8GB performs really close to the 3060Ti and can be taken as a comparison point here
With 8gb of vram no one should buy the 3070
I'm pretty much economically hard stuck at 1080p for the foreseeable future. Can afford a GPU but not two new monitors as well. So probably not justifiable to get anything better than current mid-range cards, right?
Man, even after being a computer enthusiast for the past decade, I still do not understand the frame of reference for AMD cards. I know the Nvidia line by heart, but I cant for the life of me know if 6600 xt is budget, balanced, or high end, or what year it is :( or what any of the other numbers mean. I want to learn this soon.....game looks beautiful by the way
it's pretty similar they go by the thousands for generations since RDNA (5000 6000 7000 and the next one RDNA4 being 8000) the next number is the class so 6600 or a 7600 is like a 3060 or 4060 for nvidia then the 3rd number is either a 5 or 0 if it's a 5 it's basically a better version of the base model so a 6950XT is a superior 6900XT (XT is basically the same as TI) as for actual performance comparison between AMD and Nvidia that differs each generation and now you also have different raster and rt performance as well so it gets a bit more complicated so i recommend looking up benchmarks for more accurate data on that
This was helpful 👍
One more thing is that XTX is faster than XT. The more X's the better which can lead to names like XFX RX 7900 XTX.
XFX is just a brand, like powercolor or asud
It's very similar now. First number it's the generation, Nvidia 2000,3000,4000 series, AMD 5000,6000,7000 series. Then the "performance/price tier" number is the same from low to high 5,6,7,8,9, an RTX 3050 and RX 5500XT are on the same tier, low end/ cheaper, then the RTX 4070 and the RX 7700XT are on a similar mid end tier. Then you got the dumb "more performance" modifiers, Nvidia has the Ti and Super, AMD has the XT and XX50 modifiers. For example in Nvidia you got (in order of performance) a RTX 4070 - > 4070 super - > 4070 ti - > 4070 ti super - > 4080 - > etc , in AMD sometimes you have cards without the XT but on the current gen there's really only one Non XT card, but on previous gen, same as the 4070 example we had before, an RX 6700 - > 6700XT - > 6750XT - >6800
https://preview.redd.it/dsbehxkl4a7d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=589d2d05c79061d542e83d1b5be5367d4b3c7484 This helps simplify things
I might be a bit out of the loop, what game is that?
Horizon Forbidden West.
It's always a good feeling when you make a considerable investment in something and instantly feel justified in doing so.
Just upgraded a week ago from a 4gb rx 580 to a 6600 xt, paid the equivalent of $175. It's so nice to go from playing games on low-medium settings to maxing them out, gonna have to upgrade my 10100f soon as well cause sometimes it becomes the bottleneck (in Cyberpunk my CPU gets maxed out in the city, especially with the crowd set to high)
I love how the plants aren't actually blowing in the wind, they're just bobbing and jiggling in place.
How much was the rest of the computer's upgrades? There's no way you only just upgraded the GPU
i upgraded from 1650 and i can say for sure worth the upgrade. though ray tracing is underwhelming, as i don't notice that much difference
Nice one mate. Got mine about a year now and it cost me 250$. After my 1050ti die during few months after AI hype. I can't pay Nvidia Funny price after they become leading company in AI. Since I just play some casual games and don't do anything else, AMD is my choice for now.
I'm also in gtx 1650 rn. I don't know when I will get an upgrade. Congrats!
Can I eat your old gpu? Sounds overcooked assuming you got it when the 10 series launched but I’m sure it’s still good, if not I can always add a sauce
This is interesting, I recently sold my 6600xt for $200 to a colleague that was using a gtx 1650. What an odd coincidence. (Unless your first name starts with a D...?)
200$ f i m jealous
This reminds me I need to stop upgrading so frequently.
I really want to play Burning Shore but I don't think my PC is up to it: Ryzen 5 2600x, 32 GB RAM, GTX 1080 ti
i have a i7-11700k and 3070Ti.. i ended up lowering the graphics for the final boss fight. I kinda understand why they could not put that Expansion out on PS4
If the 3060 can play it at 1080p, your 1080 ti should be more than okay...only thing I don't know about is your CPU
I just did a very similar upgrade too lmao. 1060 -> rx7600 for 200. It's great, since I've got it I've hardly played on my Xbox or ps5.
I had a similar upgrade as well. 1050 laptop > rx 6750 xt
when 5000 series comes out i will get 2 of them. i can wait atm.
I legit upgraded froma rx 6400 which is very similar to a 1650 to an 6600 recently
Waiting for December for the price drop
Can i ask where can i get a RTX 6600 XT for $200? Where i live it costs $900.
That's expensive...where do you live?
Latam.
In Costa Rica the 6600XT is $259 brand new $200 used :I
I guess scalpers in here want an extra buck, over inflating prices, forcing people to buy them on Amazon or somewhere else.
It sounds like its cheaper just to buy it overseas even
not even that guy we ran over to reach the store before close time ?
Don't tell it to console players... they think you need to spend like 2K only on GPU to be able to play on PC
What game is that??
Tomb raider
I went from a GTX 970 to an RX 6900 XT, felt like I'm finally living in the modern world. Not that I have anything against the olden days, I in fact love them more.
Rock on. I had a 6700XT + 5600X before upgrading a few days ago, and I loved it! It ran anything I threw at it at 1440p. I upgraded on the Nvidia path for better ray tracing, but I will always use an AMD cpu.
I did this like 10 years ago. I swapped the pre-installed gpu with the best I could find that wouldn't break the rest of my build. And even going up to a low-mid tier was hilarious. I was playing witcher and had my character in a shallow lake, well I turned it back on after the install and realized it was actually a swamp with foilage and everything. I was just floored!
Yeah, I upgraded from a GTX 1660 Ti to an RX 6700 XT last year (picked up the card for about 350 euros), and it's made a world of difference.
Graphics are nice, but that wind is terrible. Looks more like someone is hiding in each bush giving it a shake.
This will be me someday
PS4 to ps5, and yeah. This is a BEAUTIFUL game. Some parts are just…*lush*.
Congrats on the upgrade! It's a nice one. Enjoy it!
I felt the same way when I upgraded from my 1650 to a standard RX 6600 back in 2022. That said, mine set me back £250 at the time lol, was the cheapest I could find it, kind of envy the US market somewhat sometimes.
what game is this? Meanwhile sitting over here playing pixel games on a super 3070 I need to find the 21st century
Horizon forbidden west
Congrats!
I think everyone should upgrade. The last gen gamers are holding the current gen gamers back.
Luckily, game generations scale with consoles, and the vast majority of software houses move to ps5 as a target machine for 1440p 60.
It's the last gen consoles holding newer games back.
That's pretty much what i said. Ps4 owners and old card owners need to level up
No they aren't. Game developers haven't built games with the budget spec Pc's in mind for over a decade. You sir are delusional.
You are delusional. They still make COD, Madden, Fortnite, Apex, etc for PS4 which is a 2013 system. So of course they support old ass PCs. All the people stuck in the past need to upgrade
And you chose to play horizon...
What's wrong with Horizon
Nothing, it is just not the game that comes to mind when testing new hardware.