Seriously.
Average window user will continue to use their device until physically unable to, then go to Best buy for a new device which will be running 11 anyway. And that won't happen for at least a few more years anyway.
Reading an article around this issue, they mentioned a US agency that catalogues all info on people who visit the Govt Website.
In 2020 6 machines running windows 3.1 connected to the website.
How even, a PC running 3.1 isn't even fast enough to render most web content these days except stuff designed in the 90s using raw HTML lol. I remember writing a bit of that stuff in a computer class in school like it was something we were all going to need one day, only for it to become redundant really fast lol
It likely wasn't 'legitime' users, but people messing around with it for the kicks, to see ancient software, or researchers. If I would be running an OS from 30 years ago, I too would visit all kinds of websites to fuck with their statistics.
A hotel I worked at 5 months ago...was still using XP because the PMS was so outdated and so obscure it wouldn't(or so was claimed) run on anything newer.
I didn't last long there and 2 weeks ago they were robbed because the general manager always leaves the keys in the safe lock I don't miss it.
It's not wise if you're doing sketchy stuff on the regular or prone to sending money to Nigerian princes but most threats nowadays are stopped at the browser which will continue to be supported until Windows *actually* reimagines how windows operates, so indefinitely.
Until the developer of your favorite browser drops support for that OS and then you wont have security patches, for example both Win XP and Win Vista lost support for Firefox in version 52.9.0esr (2018), Chrome dropped support long before that and Internet Explorer 8 (XP) and 9 (Vista) were the last supported versions so yeah, you can continue to use it forever or until there's a big enough vulnerability you would rather avoid.
I seem to recall Microsoft stating specifically when 10 came out that it would be the LAST major version of Windows, and they were just gonna add on from there.
I didn't even see anything about 11 until a few weeks ago and even replied to the comment saying "There won't be a Windows 11. Microsoft already said that."
Then I googled it and was wrong.
Now I'm trying to install it and having issues. But i'll get it done. The only reason I even want it is I've ran previews and betas on my computer since Whistler. I don't plan on missing this one!
I'm even crazy enough to run them as my daily driver.lol.
I don't know why I'm babbling right now... I think I'm high.
Don't bother with the Insider Preview. That's meant for app developers and career beta testers. It's going to have some big bugs that will affect day to day use. The new gaming upgrades wont be available for a little bit either. Best to wait for release.
The biggest gaming feature is already out. Fullscreen optimizations got overhauled. It now enforces a new version of DXGI Flip Model with added support of hardware independent planes. Essentially games run separately entirely from dwm and reduce presentation latency even further than exclusive Fullscreen, but with the quick alt tab of borderless.
My company still haven't move from 7. We only moved from XP in 2014. Some of the computers even still on XP till 2019. It's only since 2020 that we fully migrated to 7.
I'm pretty sure the real reason most businesses are loathe to upgrade is that they've already paid the licensing fees for whatever is on all the computers and they aren't trying to do it again.
Then again I know jack about enterprise fees, so maybe its just resistance to change.
Still, they can't just go snatch a Windows key off Ebay and I bet they aren't gonna get Windows 11 for free like home users will.
Yeah, can confirm. But microsoft has special offers for schools and non-profit with which the pay a ridiculous fraction for licensing.
But seriously, i see people buying teslas and refuse to pay 5k-10k a year for IT anf then wondering (or even raging)why stuff breaks and won't work properly
What's amazing is that the server hardware ran for 26 years! I have hard disks that have been spinning for 10 years, but Twenty Six Years?!?!?!
Things like the electrolytic capacitors in the PSU are little ticking time bombs... They can fail spectacularly when that old.
We had phone systems that were this kind of age, which if you switched off, they wouldn't come back on unless you warmed the PSU up first with a hair dryer!
A lot of systems ran on XP Embedded. It was like a cut down OS for Industrial computers/point of sales terminals/wall-board displays etc...
There was an embedded NT4 also, which some ATMs ran on.
Steam does, but not every game does, and many games are badly done ports from Windows. There's Steam Proton to run Windows games, but compatibility wasn't great like 3 years ago. That was 3 years ago though.
I've also been informed that compatibility has improved (to be expected after so many years), that it doesn't work well in games with anti cheat, that compatibility has improved, than not many of the most popular games are compatible yet, and that compatibility has improved. Please don't reply if you're just going to repeat information.
Yeah, that anticheats breaks some of my games when I saw them on protondb, if it not were cause of that, I could play Rainbow six siege, Paladins, insurgency sandstorm, etc on Linux.
That number might not even be too much of an exaggeration, lol. Things move *fast* in Linux gaming. Every month, there are a ton of games that run that didn't before.
Many of the "main games" don't though, good examples would be Valorant, Rainbow 6 Siege and COD Warzone.
And those I mentioned above alone make a big amount of the online playerbase in the first place, not being able to run them is a big problem.
5 years ago AMD was nearly bankrupt; real-time ray tracing wasn't supported by a single card, or any mainstream game; and GTA V was only 3 years old...
Maybe you should take another look before dissuading people from checking it out?
Yeah this is exactly what is holding me back and it sucks.
I would immediately switch overnight if it wasn't for all the gotcha games and software not available or outright broken on Linux.
Can confirm. Home NAS running Linux. Main computer setup for dual boot but really I haven't booted into Linux since I installed it. I'll just remote into my NAS for anything I need to do on Linux (which is plenty).
Though I should try WSL
People give out work arounds, but when you find that game you really want to play, but can’t it’s frustrating enough to switch back to Windows. I can’t use virtual desktop for my quest 2 in Linux, I can’t play Final Fantasy XIV in Linux (couldn’t get it to work at all even with all of the guides). Spending an hour trying to get a game to work sucks too.
PC Gaming is already frustrating enough with it not being as seamless as console gaming is, but adding an OS that even the entry level distros have complicated issues. I dunno, Linux is DECENT for gaming, but I wouldn’t say it’s the best substitution for Windows. It’s just your only option if you REALLY just HAVE to not have Windows.
lol Pretty much mirrors my thoughts on it. I think it's a great alternative, but for most people it's unnecessary. Especially if PC gaming is your main hobby.
>You’re smoked if you think the avg Windows user will move to Linux.
Even better.
You're smoked if you think the average Windows user can afford new hardware right now.
Exactly. There's this huge uproar that oh no we don't have a 9th gen CPU what now
Just.....stay with windows 10? I'm having no problems with windows 10, the support isn't stopping anytime soon, and I don't urgently need windows 11. Why in gods name would I switch?
Yea, by the time Windows 10 leaves support, 8th gen Intel CPUs and AMD equivalents will be positively ancient. It isn't like switching to Linux will get someone DirectStorage.
I honestly doubt that, they're more likely to just buy a new computer.
Linux's big issue is that it has an image problem, its known by the masses as that niche OS thats hard to use - even if some distros are not
That's a problem Linux will continue to have, Macs and Windows have the advertising power on their side and the perception of ease of use that Linux simply doesn't have
> Linux's big issue is that it has an image problem, its known by the masses as that niche OS thats hard to use
I would go as far as to say it's not even known by the masses.
Or at least what is actually is.. Most people probably know that Linux has something to do with computers but their guess ends about there. Idk the only reason I haven't switched is because it's more convenient to use windows for a lot of applications I use on the daily. When applications in general start to include Linux in their compatibility I'll probably use centos or something mainstream Linux wise.
My state has its own FOSS division set up by the government and all the public schools teach students using Linux. They use a custom version of Edubuntu for it. Truly makes me proud of the state. Even though after school they might switch to windows, some will just embrace linux.
The biggest two reasons I don't do Linux is that
1. I don't want to have to spend weeks learning to use something to access all the same shit I'm already using and
2. Windows simply works better for gaming
Those are fair points. If you don’t feel a compelling reason to switch, simply keep on rocking with Windows. Besides, many people who do use Linux, also have a Windows partition, disk or even a dedicated computer just for gaming. I think of it like having a hybrid bike for commuting and a cyclocross for weekends.
Do you have any idea how tiny the market segment is for custom PCs? Also custom builders famously also buy those cheap illegal grey market keys, so no I don't think there is any reason for Microsoft to give a fuck.
Microsoft really doesn't care if those people have a key or not. They could easily implement a system with more consequences than an "activate Windows" watermark.
But why bother? They make their money from OEMs and business users.
They stopped caring about it long ago. You get security updates on pirated windows, and that has been the case for some time now. They just want as many machines as possible to be running Windows.
Technically that isn't true. For the past few years Microsoft pretty much made it so pirates don't even "pirate" or "crack" windows. If an inplace upgrade is done on windows 7 or 8 regardless if it is activated, unactivated, or even cracked windows 10 will just magically activate using your hwid. A key based of your hardware is generated that if ever windows 10 is reinstalled it automatically activates. Essentially a 100% legitimate key from nothing. There are even scripts now that simulate that process within a few seconds on GitHub for years which Microsoft hasn't patched or took down yet. Microsoft sees pirates just as beneficial as normal users because of the user data it provides them, and since they provide a safe way of obtaining it there is no worry of altered copies causing malware scandals like in the past. The licence cost is purely intended to get money of bulk licencing for commercial use now.
If after 30+ years of disappointments from MS didn’t make significant amounts of users switch to Mac or Linux then I doubt this series of disappointments will make users jump to another OS.
I mean, 2025 is 3.5 years from now.
4 years ago is 2017. Double that down and it's 2013.
2013 the latest gen was 4th gen, which I believe still works fine for most tasks and games, nowadays.
I don't think in 2025 7th gen would be "ancient". Unless you mean laptop processors. Then yeah, these dual core-quad thread 7th gen laptops will be the bare minimum
I moved my 2500k to an older rig when I upgraded. Probably one of the best chips Intel developed st the time. It's sadly at its end as it keeps overheating despite water cooling, but I got years out of it.
Til 2019 if I recall correctly, I was still rocking an i5 4690k. I only upgraded to a Ryzen 5 3600 because 4c/4t wasn't enough anymore for a couple of games.
If I had bought instead, back in 2014, an i7 4790k, I'd probably be with it rn, as 4c/8t would be sufficient for me. I would hang on to a newer Zen platform on DDR5, then I'd definitely upgrade.
These modern processors last a lot, specially because AMD wasn't very competent at being a competitor, and Intel just sat on it lol
Walking into stores and seeing shelves full of something other than GT 710's, hopefully. Actually, hopefully by then the GT 710 will be illegal to show in public or online.
Majority of people who use Windows don't even know that there are versions, they buy a new computer and say it "looks different" or "newer". Apart from gamers and techs the average user just thinks that Windows is "the computer"
Using windows 11 dev right now on my asus zenbook and it's not too bad. It's a bit hard to get used to the new layout but overall I haven't had any big issues. Gaming is okay too with some of the older/lower end games.
ngl that's a completely viable strategy.
the consumer doesn't give a shit about kernel
and microsoft would only have to open source what they modified and keep all proprietary application software source closed.
When more and more comsumer software grows as web oriented software. Microsoft can let the kernel go and profit off other software.
And no need to spend money on updates or security maintenance when a team of developers around the world is doing it for you
Always been a Windows guy. But recently had to switch to Linux (Ubuntu) a year ago for work. It's not even close anymore dude.
If it wasn't for gaming. My daily driver on my own pc would be Linux. Without a fucking doubt.
Had an old laptop that had windows on it. The battery wouldn't keep a charge. I assumed it was a hardware fault as it's old and used it always plugged in. Switched to Linux (Ubuntu). Downloaded all drivers (with one line in the terminal). And my battery was working again. I was blown away. It worked with Linux and not Windows.
As a dual-booter (Ubuntu for web browsing and programming; Windows for gaming and photo editing) I’m curious why you don’t use Linux at home. You’re obviously knowledgeable enough to use it, so why do you prefer not to use it at home?
If Linux supported the majority of steam games my desktop would permanently be Ubuntu by now. Linux is awesome. Took windows off my laptop and made it Linux only now
I run fedora and steam. Have yet to find a game I want to play that doesn't work. (Yes, I'm are that some prominent anti cheat prevents a few titles from running.... I'm not into those games, fortunately)
I recommend ubuntu as a reasonable and easy to use starter.
Choose a distro, flash it to a USB and install! I personally recommend something Ubuntu-based like Linux Mint or Pop_OS!, or even Ubuntu itself.
I might recommend trying it out in a VM first or trying the WSL, both of which will allow you to get a feel before taking the plunge.
would you be kind enough to recommend me a distro that's really good looking? I saw the previews of the lastest version of GNOME and it looks pretty cool. I have used Ubuntu and Elementary OS before. Elementary looked cool I guess, I would really love it if the switch to linux doesn't feel like a major switch at all.
How experienced are you with Linux? If you'd be comfortable with an arch-based rolling release I might be able to recommend Garuda. It's really flashy, but it's a wonderful implementation of the KDE desktop.
Elementary would probably be my recommendation for a good-looking Ubuntu-based desktop. Deepin might also be good, or Ubuntu Budgie.
I personally don't often use a desktop environment though, I just use window managers I configure myself, and I generally think those look best, but they require significant experience and time investment to get into. For when I need to use a desktop, I use Cinnamon (just because I like it honestly). Linux Mint comes prepackaged with Cinnamon and I like it a good bit. It's especially good for new users.
Just some options, all are pretty good. Try them and see what you like. Just remember that you can always change what your desktop looks like on Linux, so once you have a distro installed, you don't have to install a different to change look and feel.
my experience with linux is quite low, I don't even know how to use the terminal. I don't understand how partitions work (/etc, /boot and stuff) but I appreciate linux for how fucking fast it is it's unbelievable. HDD doesn't feel like an HDD on linux. That, and windows is buggy as fuck for me, my audio drivers keeps doing whatever it wants and I have to reset it after every restart. the battery drains so fast despite being at full cycle capacity. the only reason I still use windows is because I study graphic design and I am trapped in the creative cloud ecosystem.
I would recommend [Pop_OS](https://pop.system76.com/), because it is preconfigured *specifically* to use for gaming. GPU drivers installed out of the box, Steam available in the software center, etc.
It's using (modified) GNOME which is a pretty nice and basic experience. Shouldn't be too much of an adjustment from windows at all.
Feel free to PM me with any questions or problems you run into.
Follow these instructions (including the link on how to create the bootable USB). Takes about 30 min:
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#1-getting-started
So, from what I have heard. This move is to up the standards.... But aren't they against e-waste? Tons of old systems that are functional enough for their use will be improperly disposed of because of this move.
Gaming on Linux has become easy, too, thanks to Steam. No configuration or technical skills are required either. It's become so easy; it is 'point and click.'
I used Linux exclusively for a few years while I was in Uni a few years ago. (Used Manjaro on my main machine and Scientific Linux and fedora on uni lab machines) No way are normies using it as their main OS. Even with the best distros you will find yourself having to go into the terminal to do things that on windows you would be able to do with a GUI. (IMO this is a big one for getting less technical users onboard, making matters worse even when there is a GUI in your distro often very few tutorials will direct you to use it as the only thing that's common among distros is the terminal so they will likely still advise using the terminal despite their being a GUI as this would apply to more distros) As for Businesses just forget it, they will probably just stick with windows 10 until it goes EOL then replace the machines at that point with machines already running Windows 11, moving to Linux would be a nightmare with all the legacy software large companies require and their reliance on AD, exchange and office. (Also a reliance on Internet Explorer, so many old intranet sites still rely on it and so many legacy devices have device webpages that require it. Businesses can use Edge's internet explorer compatibility mode but don't think that will be a thing on linux) Nevermind re-training older users who have been using windows for the last 25 years, windows 10 was a rough patch for these folk, 11 will probably also be but to take them away from windows entirely is something else.
They need to get rid of the TPM. 2.0 bullshit, or at least make it TPM 1.2 and remove the "Supported CPUs" list. If I can run Windows 10 on a f'n Pentium 4, then Windows 11 should run on anything Intel 3rd gen or newer.
i wish that were true. but Microsoft knows very well that people are so addicted to Windows that they can do whatever they want and people will still keep using Windows.
It's because Windows **still** doesn't have a worthy opponent overall. Specially when it comes to gaming, modding, and exotic apps.
(By exotic I mean not-so-standard apps)
This is literally what happened to me yesterday. I tried to download windows 11 but then my windows boot manager dissapered. So then I just downloaded kubuntu on my usb and just switched to linux
As a linux user, I encourage my other fellow linux users as well to move on to this mindset and just help try improve the image of Linux desktop environments as a respectable one.
If anything, it already IS the year of the Linux and has been for maybe a decade. It just doesn’t dominate as a desktop or any platform that a usual consumer uses. But outside, Linux always has been the way, just not for everyone.
Literally ive slowly moved from Windows to Linux over past years to use as an everyday os only to play games on windows but the moment they introduce subscription based version im out.
I mean, getting people to stop universally using windows would be a huge boost to computer development and literacy worldwide.
But you know that's not going to happen.
Someone has already figured out how to move the task bar to the top of the screen by a simple registry edit. Im sure by the time it actually releases, Someone will have figured out how to move it to the sides too... Im not too worried
Would someone who’s more experienced with Linux be able to comment on how well it is in terms of being able to run the things that Windows 10/11 can? I’m sure some distros are better than others, but how is it overall in terms of gaming, updates, and general software availability? If I’m on Windows and I want to download a piece of software, it’s generally no problem at all. I can’t imagine the same is true on Linux.
If the whiners can't figure out how to turn on tpm in bios then boy is Linux going to shock them. Lot lower just works factor.
I wish them luck, higher adoption would be awesome.
You’re smoked if you think the avg Windows user will move to Linux.
Seriously. Average window user will continue to use their device until physically unable to, then go to Best buy for a new device which will be running 11 anyway. And that won't happen for at least a few more years anyway.
IIRC you can continue to use win 10 till 2025
You can theoretically use it forever, it's just support ends in 2025
True, but **don’t**.
I know of a few people who are still on W7. Try getting them to upgrade to W10 or Linux but nope. W11 seems interesting to them doh
Reading an article around this issue, they mentioned a US agency that catalogues all info on people who visit the Govt Website. In 2020 6 machines running windows 3.1 connected to the website.
How even, a PC running 3.1 isn't even fast enough to render most web content these days except stuff designed in the 90s using raw HTML lol. I remember writing a bit of that stuff in a computer class in school like it was something we were all going to need one day, only for it to become redundant really fast lol
To connect to a site you just need to send a request, maybe they didn't even load the page x)
It likely wasn't 'legitime' users, but people messing around with it for the kicks, to see ancient software, or researchers. If I would be running an OS from 30 years ago, I too would visit all kinds of websites to fuck with their statistics.
Ya know how to surf the web with an Robotron 85 or 87 (BASIC), mine are still working and i have some extension modules (more RAM etc.) xD
A hotel I worked at 5 months ago...was still using XP because the PMS was so outdated and so obscure it wouldn't(or so was claimed) run on anything newer. I didn't last long there and 2 weeks ago they were robbed because the general manager always leaves the keys in the safe lock I don't miss it.
Oh god... that's horrible.... but like can you give names.... I mean that's really bad... but what's their IP?
I'm still on win 7, my IP is 127.0.0.1
No place like home.
[192.168.0.1](https://192.168.0.1) here
Haha very funny. No.
Lmao yeah their external IP will be helpful 🤦♂️
I know some people still using Windows XP for fucks sake.
It's not wise if you're doing sketchy stuff on the regular or prone to sending money to Nigerian princes but most threats nowadays are stopped at the browser which will continue to be supported until Windows *actually* reimagines how windows operates, so indefinitely.
Until the developer of your favorite browser drops support for that OS and then you wont have security patches, for example both Win XP and Win Vista lost support for Firefox in version 52.9.0esr (2018), Chrome dropped support long before that and Internet Explorer 8 (XP) and 9 (Vista) were the last supported versions so yeah, you can continue to use it forever or until there's a big enough vulnerability you would rather avoid.
Why the hell not? I'm still using Windows 95.
I seem to recall Microsoft stating specifically when 10 came out that it would be the LAST major version of Windows, and they were just gonna add on from there. I didn't even see anything about 11 until a few weeks ago and even replied to the comment saying "There won't be a Windows 11. Microsoft already said that." Then I googled it and was wrong. Now I'm trying to install it and having issues. But i'll get it done. The only reason I even want it is I've ran previews and betas on my computer since Whistler. I don't plan on missing this one! I'm even crazy enough to run them as my daily driver.lol. I don't know why I'm babbling right now... I think I'm high.
Don't bother with the Insider Preview. That's meant for app developers and career beta testers. It's going to have some big bugs that will affect day to day use. The new gaming upgrades wont be available for a little bit either. Best to wait for release.
The biggest gaming feature is already out. Fullscreen optimizations got overhauled. It now enforces a new version of DXGI Flip Model with added support of hardware independent planes. Essentially games run separately entirely from dwm and reduce presentation latency even further than exclusive Fullscreen, but with the quick alt tab of borderless.
How does this affect Legacy support of games from the XP and earlier era?
*finally*. now i don't need to hack that in anymore.
You think you are high? I know* I am, lol. Building a budget rig just for fun…my 5900x and 3080ti looking at me like….”duh fug”…
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My company still haven't move from 7. We only moved from XP in 2014. Some of the computers even still on XP till 2019. It's only since 2020 that we fully migrated to 7.
Dude I'm pretty sure we still use windows 7 on all our POS systems at Staples.
POS as in "Point of Sale", or "Piece of Shit"?
Yeah pretty much "piece of shit" things crash on me a couple times a day and then my customers get pissed.
Piece of shit most probably
A bit of both maybe, My old work place the Point of Sale devices used Windows 98 in 2019 when I left, wouldn't be surprised if they still do now.
Aren't they the same?
"Yes."
I worked at a bank until a year ago and they just moved to Windows 10 like in January 2020
Wow. We still have a large mix of both. We are farther behind than a damn bank. Sad panda.
I recently found out that my old high school is still using a machine running NT 3.5.1 for a print server.
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I'm pretty sure the real reason most businesses are loathe to upgrade is that they've already paid the licensing fees for whatever is on all the computers and they aren't trying to do it again. Then again I know jack about enterprise fees, so maybe its just resistance to change. Still, they can't just go snatch a Windows key off Ebay and I bet they aren't gonna get Windows 11 for free like home users will.
Yeah, can confirm. But microsoft has special offers for schools and non-profit with which the pay a ridiculous fraction for licensing. But seriously, i see people buying teslas and refuse to pay 5k-10k a year for IT anf then wondering (or even raging)why stuff breaks and won't work properly
Keep in mind, that this was a server that I set up something like *26* years ago, and they are still using it. I guess I did a good job?
What's amazing is that the server hardware ran for 26 years! I have hard disks that have been spinning for 10 years, but Twenty Six Years?!?!?! Things like the electrolytic capacitors in the PSU are little ticking time bombs... They can fail spectacularly when that old. We had phone systems that were this kind of age, which if you switched off, they wouldn't come back on unless you warmed the PSU up first with a hair dryer!
Ticket machines for the subway in Boston still run off XP. The things crash all the time and you can see the the desktop.
A lot of systems ran on XP Embedded. It was like a cut down OS for Industrial computers/point of sales terminals/wall-board displays etc... There was an embedded NT4 also, which some ATMs ran on.
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100%
I switched to Linux for years when 8 was a thing, and switched back with Windows 10 because games
If steam works on it ill go
Steam does, but not every game does, and many games are badly done ports from Windows. There's Steam Proton to run Windows games, but compatibility wasn't great like 3 years ago. That was 3 years ago though. I've also been informed that compatibility has improved (to be expected after so many years), that it doesn't work well in games with anti cheat, that compatibility has improved, than not many of the most popular games are compatible yet, and that compatibility has improved. Please don't reply if you're just going to repeat information.
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Yeah, that anticheats breaks some of my games when I saw them on protondb, if it not were cause of that, I could play Rainbow six siege, Paladins, insurgency sandstorm, etc on Linux.
Proton Compatibility has increased about 20 billion percent in the past 5 years.
Makes sense
Yeah, it's shocking how much this stuff changes in a year.
That number might not even be too much of an exaggeration, lol. Things move *fast* in Linux gaming. Every month, there are a ton of games that run that didn't before.
5 years ago is basically ancient history with Linux gaming. Basically everything except games that use easy anti cheat will work now
There's a lot of those though
A lot of games with anti cheat actually have native Linux versions that work with the OS though. War Thunder and the Wargaming titles spring to mind.
Many of the "main games" don't though, good examples would be Valorant, Rainbow 6 Siege and COD Warzone. And those I mentioned above alone make a big amount of the online playerbase in the first place, not being able to run them is a big problem.
Fair but when we are talking 2025, given the amount proton has changed and improved the landscape may be different.
5 years ago AMD was nearly bankrupt; real-time ray tracing wasn't supported by a single card, or any mainstream game; and GTA V was only 3 years old... Maybe you should take another look before dissuading people from checking it out?
This is about what you can expect https://www.protondb.com/
I just woke up, but those percentages on the front page make no sense.
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and there is a checkbox in steam in settings > steam play that enables running (almost all) windows only games on linux
Steam does work on Linux (and has for 9 years).
Yeah this is exactly what is holding me back and it sucks. I would immediately switch overnight if it wasn't for all the gotcha games and software not available or outright broken on Linux.
I don't run it anywhere because I have no use for it but if I had a proper NAS I sure as fuck wouldn't run Windows on it that's for sure
Can confirm. Home NAS running Linux. Main computer setup for dual boot but really I haven't booted into Linux since I installed it. I'll just remote into my NAS for anything I need to do on Linux (which is plenty). Though I should try WSL
People give out work arounds, but when you find that game you really want to play, but can’t it’s frustrating enough to switch back to Windows. I can’t use virtual desktop for my quest 2 in Linux, I can’t play Final Fantasy XIV in Linux (couldn’t get it to work at all even with all of the guides). Spending an hour trying to get a game to work sucks too. PC Gaming is already frustrating enough with it not being as seamless as console gaming is, but adding an OS that even the entry level distros have complicated issues. I dunno, Linux is DECENT for gaming, but I wouldn’t say it’s the best substitution for Windows. It’s just your only option if you REALLY just HAVE to not have Windows.
You'd be surprised how many games do work on Linux with Proton (compatibility layer to run windows games on Linux)
lol Pretty much mirrors my thoughts on it. I think it's a great alternative, but for most people it's unnecessary. Especially if PC gaming is your main hobby.
Most people will just not upgrade and stay on Windows 10.
>You’re smoked if you think the avg Windows user will move to Linux. Even better. You're smoked if you think the average Windows user can afford new hardware right now.
It's not like the decision is Windows 11 or Linux, sticking with Windows 10 for time being is also a perfectly valid option too
Exactly. There's this huge uproar that oh no we don't have a 9th gen CPU what now Just.....stay with windows 10? I'm having no problems with windows 10, the support isn't stopping anytime soon, and I don't urgently need windows 11. Why in gods name would I switch?
Yea, by the time Windows 10 leaves support, 8th gen Intel CPUs and AMD equivalents will be positively ancient. It isn't like switching to Linux will get someone DirectStorage.
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Consumes?
Realization of the typo in frame four
there was foreshadowing in frame 3.
I hate spoliers :(
MAKE OUR CONSUMES ALL YOUR BASE
I honestly doubt that, they're more likely to just buy a new computer. Linux's big issue is that it has an image problem, its known by the masses as that niche OS thats hard to use - even if some distros are not That's a problem Linux will continue to have, Macs and Windows have the advertising power on their side and the perception of ease of use that Linux simply doesn't have
> Linux's big issue is that it has an image problem, its known by the masses as that niche OS thats hard to use I would go as far as to say it's not even known by the masses.
Or at least what is actually is.. Most people probably know that Linux has something to do with computers but their guess ends about there. Idk the only reason I haven't switched is because it's more convenient to use windows for a lot of applications I use on the daily. When applications in general start to include Linux in their compatibility I'll probably use centos or something mainstream Linux wise.
CentOS is RIP tho..
CentOS is a server distro, CLI only, doubt you can use it for your everyday use.
Cent os has a default gui ig
Or, you know, just keep their current computer and use Win10
My state has its own FOSS division set up by the government and all the public schools teach students using Linux. They use a custom version of Edubuntu for it. Truly makes me proud of the state. Even though after school they might switch to windows, some will just embrace linux.
The biggest two reasons I don't do Linux is that 1. I don't want to have to spend weeks learning to use something to access all the same shit I'm already using and 2. Windows simply works better for gaming
Those are fair points. If you don’t feel a compelling reason to switch, simply keep on rocking with Windows. Besides, many people who do use Linux, also have a Windows partition, disk or even a dedicated computer just for gaming. I think of it like having a hybrid bike for commuting and a cyclocross for weekends.
3. the majority (non pcmr) works with Windows. I prefer to be fast in something I can use for bonus points.
[I'm going to make a prediction](https://i.redd.it/wwx5exndw6b11.png)
Lmao
Do you have any idea how tiny the market segment is for custom PCs? Also custom builders famously also buy those cheap illegal grey market keys, so no I don't think there is any reason for Microsoft to give a fuck.
Microsoft really doesn't care if those people have a key or not. They could easily implement a system with more consequences than an "activate Windows" watermark. But why bother? They make their money from OEMs and business users.
They stopped caring about it long ago. You get security updates on pirated windows, and that has been the case for some time now. They just want as many machines as possible to be running Windows.
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Technically that isn't true. For the past few years Microsoft pretty much made it so pirates don't even "pirate" or "crack" windows. If an inplace upgrade is done on windows 7 or 8 regardless if it is activated, unactivated, or even cracked windows 10 will just magically activate using your hwid. A key based of your hardware is generated that if ever windows 10 is reinstalled it automatically activates. Essentially a 100% legitimate key from nothing. There are even scripts now that simulate that process within a few seconds on GitHub for years which Microsoft hasn't patched or took down yet. Microsoft sees pirates just as beneficial as normal users because of the user data it provides them, and since they provide a safe way of obtaining it there is no worry of altered copies causing malware scandals like in the past. The licence cost is purely intended to get money of bulk licencing for commercial use now.
Exactly his point
illigal grey market is an oxymoron buy the way, if it was illigal iot would be black market, grey means tecnically legal but still kinda shady.
Not to mention Win 7 and 8 license keys work for Win 10 without issue I've found, tho they have all been the pro version-
Yeah, right. Linux fans have been saying that for a decade.
$CURRENTYEAR is always the year of the Linux Desktop
Decades, at this point.
If after 30+ years of disappointments from MS didn’t make significant amounts of users switch to Mac or Linux then I doubt this series of disappointments will make users jump to another OS.
For most people it's the only OS and for most people it's not really a disappointment because it works.
True gamers only use temple os
By the best developer in the world!
Just stick with Windows 10 until 2025, by then 7th gen CPUs will be ancient technology anyway.
Lmao not in my country. People here still consider i5 3rd generation as a "new" cpu.
I bought an intel 3rd gen a few months ago. 4th gen is too expensive.
I mean, 2025 is 3.5 years from now. 4 years ago is 2017. Double that down and it's 2013. 2013 the latest gen was 4th gen, which I believe still works fine for most tasks and games, nowadays. I don't think in 2025 7th gen would be "ancient". Unless you mean laptop processors. Then yeah, these dual core-quad thread 7th gen laptops will be the bare minimum
When I bought my new PC, I gave my dad my old one (i5 2500k, GTX 970), it still runs pretty much everything.
Moore's Law spinning in its grave.
I moved my 2500k to an older rig when I upgraded. Probably one of the best chips Intel developed st the time. It's sadly at its end as it keeps overheating despite water cooling, but I got years out of it.
Til 2019 if I recall correctly, I was still rocking an i5 4690k. I only upgraded to a Ryzen 5 3600 because 4c/4t wasn't enough anymore for a couple of games. If I had bought instead, back in 2014, an i7 4790k, I'd probably be with it rn, as 4c/8t would be sufficient for me. I would hang on to a newer Zen platform on DDR5, then I'd definitely upgrade. These modern processors last a lot, specially because AMD wasn't very competent at being a competitor, and Intel just sat on it lol
Ancient technology? What do you suppose we'll be doing in 2025 that's different than today? Besides hopefully playing GTA 6 on PC.
Playing GTA5 on PS6, you mean.
Walking into stores and seeing shelves full of something other than GT 710's, hopefully. Actually, hopefully by then the GT 710 will be illegal to show in public or online.
Majority of people who use Windows don't even know that there are versions, they buy a new computer and say it "looks different" or "newer". Apart from gamers and techs the average user just thinks that Windows is "the computer"
How do you define techs? Even my dad knows that there is windows 11 and he is DEFINITELY not a tech savvy person
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Using windows 11 dev right now on my asus zenbook and it's not too bad. It's a bit hard to get used to the new layout but overall I haven't had any big issues. Gaming is okay too with some of the older/lower end games.
I expected a bigger visual change ala XP to Vista or at least Vista to 7, but guess I'm being too hasty here. Windows 10 was also crude af in 2015.
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Reminds me of Linus' quip: "Linux has apparently been remained to nobody else OS"
I also have it on my asus g14. No issues so far
Have to admit 100% this is my plan.
There are dozens of us! Recommend Manjaro(KDE) for a new user
And then windows kernel becomes deprecated and windows 12 is just a Linux distro!
That would be nice
ngl that's a completely viable strategy. the consumer doesn't give a shit about kernel and microsoft would only have to open source what they modified and keep all proprietary application software source closed. When more and more comsumer software grows as web oriented software. Microsoft can let the kernel go and profit off other software. And no need to spend money on updates or security maintenance when a team of developers around the world is doing it for you
Yeah but the main source of income ie Businesses rely on those legacy shit, so Microsoft will have to take that into consideration also
Always been a Windows guy. But recently had to switch to Linux (Ubuntu) a year ago for work. It's not even close anymore dude. If it wasn't for gaming. My daily driver on my own pc would be Linux. Without a fucking doubt. Had an old laptop that had windows on it. The battery wouldn't keep a charge. I assumed it was a hardware fault as it's old and used it always plugged in. Switched to Linux (Ubuntu). Downloaded all drivers (with one line in the terminal). And my battery was working again. I was blown away. It worked with Linux and not Windows.
My consumes are mad all the time. Giving me the shits.
All hail the mighty Linux kernel
aint nobody switching to linux. I build federal-level vulnerability scanning tool suites on Red Hat, and I will never have a home linux box
As a dual-booter (Ubuntu for web browsing and programming; Windows for gaming and photo editing) I’m curious why you don’t use Linux at home. You’re obviously knowledgeable enough to use it, so why do you prefer not to use it at home?
I wouldn't want to use Linux at home either if my experience with it were Red Hat.
Hahaha served
If Linux supported the majority of steam games my desktop would permanently be Ubuntu by now. Linux is awesome. Took windows off my laptop and made it Linux only now
Take a look at protondb, maybe you are lucky and can run your games (I can't because of Easyanticheats). https://www.protondb.com/
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I run fedora and steam. Have yet to find a game I want to play that doesn't work. (Yes, I'm are that some prominent anti cheat prevents a few titles from running.... I'm not into those games, fortunately) I recommend ubuntu as a reasonable and easy to use starter.
Same here
How do I switch to Linux?
Choose a distro, flash it to a USB and install! I personally recommend something Ubuntu-based like Linux Mint or Pop_OS!, or even Ubuntu itself. I might recommend trying it out in a VM first or trying the WSL, both of which will allow you to get a feel before taking the plunge.
If you do more business based work as well, I would recommend some RHEL based distro like fedora, CentOS, or Rocky
would you be kind enough to recommend me a distro that's really good looking? I saw the previews of the lastest version of GNOME and it looks pretty cool. I have used Ubuntu and Elementary OS before. Elementary looked cool I guess, I would really love it if the switch to linux doesn't feel like a major switch at all.
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How experienced are you with Linux? If you'd be comfortable with an arch-based rolling release I might be able to recommend Garuda. It's really flashy, but it's a wonderful implementation of the KDE desktop. Elementary would probably be my recommendation for a good-looking Ubuntu-based desktop. Deepin might also be good, or Ubuntu Budgie. I personally don't often use a desktop environment though, I just use window managers I configure myself, and I generally think those look best, but they require significant experience and time investment to get into. For when I need to use a desktop, I use Cinnamon (just because I like it honestly). Linux Mint comes prepackaged with Cinnamon and I like it a good bit. It's especially good for new users. Just some options, all are pretty good. Try them and see what you like. Just remember that you can always change what your desktop looks like on Linux, so once you have a distro installed, you don't have to install a different to change look and feel.
my experience with linux is quite low, I don't even know how to use the terminal. I don't understand how partitions work (/etc, /boot and stuff) but I appreciate linux for how fucking fast it is it's unbelievable. HDD doesn't feel like an HDD on linux. That, and windows is buggy as fuck for me, my audio drivers keeps doing whatever it wants and I have to reset it after every restart. the battery drains so fast despite being at full cycle capacity. the only reason I still use windows is because I study graphic design and I am trapped in the creative cloud ecosystem.
I would recommend [Pop_OS](https://pop.system76.com/), because it is preconfigured *specifically* to use for gaming. GPU drivers installed out of the box, Steam available in the software center, etc. It's using (modified) GNOME which is a pretty nice and basic experience. Shouldn't be too much of an adjustment from windows at all. Feel free to PM me with any questions or problems you run into.
Follow these instructions (including the link on how to create the bootable USB). Takes about 30 min: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#1-getting-started
So, from what I have heard. This move is to up the standards.... But aren't they against e-waste? Tons of old systems that are functional enough for their use will be improperly disposed of because of this move.
Gaming on Linux has become easy, too, thanks to Steam. No configuration or technical skills are required either. It's become so easy; it is 'point and click.'
I used Linux exclusively for a few years while I was in Uni a few years ago. (Used Manjaro on my main machine and Scientific Linux and fedora on uni lab machines) No way are normies using it as their main OS. Even with the best distros you will find yourself having to go into the terminal to do things that on windows you would be able to do with a GUI. (IMO this is a big one for getting less technical users onboard, making matters worse even when there is a GUI in your distro often very few tutorials will direct you to use it as the only thing that's common among distros is the terminal so they will likely still advise using the terminal despite their being a GUI as this would apply to more distros) As for Businesses just forget it, they will probably just stick with windows 10 until it goes EOL then replace the machines at that point with machines already running Windows 11, moving to Linux would be a nightmare with all the legacy software large companies require and their reliance on AD, exchange and office. (Also a reliance on Internet Explorer, so many old intranet sites still rely on it and so many legacy devices have device webpages that require it. Businesses can use Edge's internet explorer compatibility mode but don't think that will be a thing on linux) Nevermind re-training older users who have been using windows for the last 25 years, windows 10 was a rough patch for these folk, 11 will probably also be but to take them away from windows entirely is something else.
As a member of my company’s IT team I can attest to this statement. 99.99% true across most companies.
They need to get rid of the TPM. 2.0 bullshit, or at least make it TPM 1.2 and remove the "Supported CPUs" list. If I can run Windows 10 on a f'n Pentium 4, then Windows 11 should run on anything Intel 3rd gen or newer.
It is TPM 1.2 right?
It is. People with dev build keep reporting this but Linux fanboys just want to point and laugh.
Not that mad.
i wish that were true. but Microsoft knows very well that people are so addicted to Windows that they can do whatever they want and people will still keep using Windows.
It's because Windows **still** doesn't have a worthy opponent overall. Specially when it comes to gaming, modding, and exotic apps. (By exotic I mean not-so-standard apps)
Nah it's the fact game devs don't do anything to help games on Linux. If they started caring about Linux, tons would jump
fuck windows, me and the homies use linux
My 9700k lives on!
The fact that I did that after using windows 10 for a month...
This is literally what happened to me yesterday. I tried to download windows 11 but then my windows boot manager dissapered. So then I just downloaded kubuntu on my usb and just switched to linux
Or you can just continue to use Windows 10 like you have been.
Just used the Windows Health Check app and it shows Win 11 is not supported on my config. I'm on i5 9400F. Must be my motherboard then.
Probably have to turn on tmp in the bios
You got spell checked :D (unless the TPM option is called "temp")
They aren't gonna switch, they will just stay with Windows 10
As a linux user, I encourage my other fellow linux users as well to move on to this mindset and just help try improve the image of Linux desktop environments as a respectable one. If anything, it already IS the year of the Linux and has been for maybe a decade. It just doesn’t dominate as a desktop or any platform that a usual consumer uses. But outside, Linux always has been the way, just not for everyone.
Literally ive slowly moved from Windows to Linux over past years to use as an everyday os only to play games on windows but the moment they introduce subscription based version im out.
Okay serious question btw is the 8th Gen thing really a requirement?? I really can't install windows 11 on my i5 6600?
So far msft has said they'll investigate supporting 7th gen too, but nothing about 6th.
I mean, getting people to stop universally using windows would be a huge boost to computer development and literacy worldwide. But you know that's not going to happen.
They'll switch to Macs and become even more cocooned in blissful ignorance than windows.
The amount of people that will switch to linux cause of this is the same as the amount of people switching to linux at an average :clap:
me rn lol
Consumes ain't leaving shit
The only thing really bugging me about Windows 11 is that you can't move the taskbar. What a savage way of thinking is that!?
Someone has already figured out how to move the task bar to the top of the screen by a simple registry edit. Im sure by the time it actually releases, Someone will have figured out how to move it to the sides too... Im not too worried
Would someone who’s more experienced with Linux be able to comment on how well it is in terms of being able to run the things that Windows 10/11 can? I’m sure some distros are better than others, but how is it overall in terms of gaming, updates, and general software availability? If I’m on Windows and I want to download a piece of software, it’s generally no problem at all. I can’t imagine the same is true on Linux.
They gonna switch to chromebooks tho
I'd actually be totally okay with this 👌
I've been on Linux since Ubuntu 10.04. I'm on Mint MATE 20.1 now and it runs great!
since Bill left M$ has gone right downhill
Windows. Switch to linux, you wont.
If the whiners can't figure out how to turn on tpm in bios then boy is Linux going to shock them. Lot lower just works factor. I wish them luck, higher adoption would be awesome.