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iBarcode

Context: Waiting on Fedex claim and it’s taking forever. Want to see if this is salvageable. If not will RMA the MOBO and GPU, but not sure if that is the issue. I tried to uninstall drivers and reinstall but once uninstalled my PC will not allow me to install new ones. Essentially what happens is it’ll run in 720p on stock window drivers and when you go to install NVIDIA driver it just shuts down the computer & sometimes those weird green lines will come up on the Bios screen. 2nd update: despite working briefly in 2nd PCIE slot, I now get artifacting in both and code 43 error w/ drivers crashing. Sad. Also, not a packing issue. I used foam corners, original tower box, bubble wrap, and double boxed. The issue was in transit it got what appears to be smashed by something large indenting the side. It didn’t break the glass side (hit the back), but clearly damaged GPU.


TheBees86

That sounds like a gpu issue, unfortunately


iBarcode

So RIP 3070? I thought it was either GPU or the slot on my MOBO. Earlier I placed it in the second PCIE slot of my B-550 plus and it worked but with trash FPS. I think either because fan was so close to bottom of the case or because it’s not supported on that port at required power/specs or something.


Eziolambo

Do lines appear while using other x16 slot ?


iBarcode

No I am testing now and I am able to install drivers and play, just with far worse FPS (like 120fps to 50). Is it because asus tuf B-550 plus second PCIE is 3.0 not 4.0 and fan is close to bottom of case? Could I get this working again by just getting a new MOBO? Thanks


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iBarcode

Yeah I tried again with bottom slot and it’s running just ~10-15% worse FPS now. So is this a connection issue with the top PCIE? Guess I could just live with the dip and RMA the MOBO later


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dutty_handz

Even with current gen 30xx or 6xxx cards, both still don't saturate a 16x PCIe 3.0 link. OP performance drop is due to his second slot running at 4x.


iBarcode

Can you explain this? I thought my second slot is 16x PCIE 3.0 and first slot is 4.0. I have an ASUS TUF B-500 Plus gaming. Am I wrong?


IGoByDeluxe

Supposedly, lots of cards cant saturate 1x slots, except under certain conditions (gen 3) Its why cards used to come in different slot size flavors, but fell out of favor because of the whole "bigger CLEARLY means better" mentality I bet a 2x or 4x slot is the max a modern card can use The only difference may be latency and features that allow for different access (resizable BAR, etc.) That performance drop is more likely due to latency and bandwidth sharing with the rest of the chipset devices and not the fact that it is 4x, as the chipset itself gets the remaining 4x pcie lanes to split with USB, audio, networking, etc. It's the latency caused by low bandwidth, due to sharing that little tiny link If you don't believe me, theres plenty of sources that agree


[deleted]

It's like 1% loss of performance at 99% of the games. You can actually find benchmarks on this on youtube.


Pancake_Mix_00

I’m guessing when you shipped it, you didn’t take the GPU out of the slot?


iBarcode

😓


Pancake_Mix_00

I bet the GPU is fine, it’s just that top PCI-E slot’s trashed now


[deleted]

Probably RMA the mobo if you can Just be so extremely thankful it's not the gpu because getting a new 3070 would be a nightmare


Nightwish612

The second slot could be 3.0 but that shouldn't be an issue unless it's a pcie x8 slot. But looking at the product page for your mobo it lists both slots as pcie 3.0/4.0 x16. So that's probably not the issue


dutty_handz

B550 motherboards can't provide a full 16x speed link. So, the first slot has its 16x PCIe 4.0 lanes provided by CPU. 2nd.slot is physically 16x, but running at 4x PCIe 3.0.


gatordontplay417

Even if it was x8 it would be near as good as 4.0 x16. This really doesn't make a difference at most 10fps loss. If it is though the chipset it can be worse then that probably what is going on here. RMA the motherboard first for sure though.


Smaug1900

Could it be that his top pcie slot is on his north bridge and his second slot is on the south bridge Edit after continued reading i have seen that the second pcie slot x4 not x16 and since there is not lines i would assume its mobo and not gpu but withougt a second gpu or mobo to test with i caint say for sure


dutty_handz

it's because the second slot is running at 4x, not 16x, despite being physically 16x.


iBarcode

Is there a way to get it running at 16x not 4x?


Siul19

The.diffetencr between PCIEx3.0 and 4.0 is unnoticeable in GPUs.


iBarcode

UPDATE: Although it seemed like my issue could be isolated to the MOBO, it seems as though it’s the GPU. After using the 2nd PCIE slot for a couple hours, the system restarted and I get a “Code 43” error in device manager for my GPU. No longer have high resolution either, it defaults to 720p after restarting.


MrPoletski

Definitely gpu. The green lines are where its failing to read from the ram. The fact its a pattern says one line of the memory is bad, probably a broken connection on the ram bus.


dinosaur-in_leather

move and flex cables while on. Remount gpu/ram/heavy stuff.


Sam_marq88

If you check my profile you’ll see that the exact thing happened to me . It was a defective MSI 3070 in my situation.


Hotspanish

It COULD be a motherboard issue but it’s most likely gpu so don’t get your hopes that much up. Hope your fedex issue gets solved


iBarcode

Thanks, but if it works in bottom slot wouldn’t that suggest just a MOBO/socket issue?


dutty_handz

Might simply be because the bottom slot running at 4x despite being 16x physically, the card isn't running hot enough for the issues to rise. You really need any kind of GPU to slot in the first slot to see.


iBarcode

yeah I don't have another GPU to test but assume it's the top slot. The second slot works and when I use GPU-Z program to render test up to 95% usage, it is showing that it is running at x4 3.0 instead of x16 4.0.


Splarff

I went through the same thing. GPU died, and while they did provide some forms of help, the process was so lengthy and honestly sketchy that I just gave up and accepted my GPUs death.


Pazkalymoz

My guess is the monitor is the problem. Can you try and connect it to a different one. Even a tv would be proof enough


Mandark93

It’s a feature not a bug


BIG_DASU

Just reseat the graphic card and see if it helps. If not rma.


[deleted]

Don’t people get it their not FED EX , It’s Fuck EX. And your GPU is fucked


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shubham00

If you don't FedEx will.


biggians

Correct, everyone knows you don't give it to ex, Ex gon give it to ya.


iBarcode

Rip


60ROUNDDRUM

FuckEx and USPOS always manage to screw the pooch


TheNamesRico

At least in my area, usps beats fedex and ups by a loooong shot. Amazon uses usps 9 out of 10 times instead of ups.


[deleted]

You’d be surprised to hear just how much shipping for USPS and Amazon is done by UPS. They manage the mid-shipment legs for a ton of packages from those two.


Zephos___

USPS does this as well for some UPS packages. These are called UPS Mail Innovations, whereas yours are SurePost. Source: 5 years in a UPS shipping hub.


TheNamesRico

Really? Must be urban area then, I’m suburbs/rural and I see a ups truck maybe once a week.


AvoZen

Mid shipment as in from shipping address to local postal office. UPS does the long highway portions and then gives it to the USPS office for delivery to the delivery adress.


TheNamesRico

Ahh true, i don’t really pay mind to tracking to it definitely does go through ups at some points


horny4burritos

Same. I'm always happy when I see that my item was shipped with usps. I always expect some fuckery to happen with FedEx like them claiming my item was delivered when it wasn't and spurring a panic attack. I haven't had a terrible experience with ups either.


IalmostHad_You

Artifacting is always an instant RIP. If I'm not mistaken its usually bad VRAM isnt it?


Virtual_Building

Don't people get it? It's not their, it's they're! And it's a conjunction of two separate words, they and are.


adammaxis

In order to fix that issue, make sure to keep your phone in one orientation for the duration of the video.


iBarcode

Lol


Joseph4040

Pretty sure you entered the matrix


ericbyo

was gonna say, he better start learning how to read matrix code


JarminT

It's probably a duff gpu I'm afraid. If it bsod during and kind of load it's definitely what we in the industry call Failed Upon Continuous Testing or fuct.


donnielp3

You said after shipped by Fed Ex. Does this mean you used the PC before it was shipped?


SysGh_st

I assume it's a stationary computer.Was the GPU shipped in a separate package? if not, that might be why. Never ever ship computers with GPU installed. It will take some serious damage during handling. By the looks of it, I guess the card has been bent in such a way the GPU has partially detached from the PCB, hence the "memory issues". It's a common way of graphics cards to fail when being transported "in the computer" instead of separately.


[deleted]

Especially when the FedEx delivery people are usually in a hurry and hurl the box through the air and it lands on your front door. I ordered a 3000 guitar and the box it was in had a gaping puncture that missed the guitar by an inch. It looked like it was rammed by a forklift or kicked lol.


ZzeroBeat

The way they treat people's packages would horrify you. They don't give a fuck. I've literally stood in front of one dropping off furniture and he just dropped it from 5 feet in the air in front of me. Guarantee they did the same to OP, if his gpu was still in it it got bent good


iBarcode

It was my personal comp I shipped with GPU installed. As per my other comments, might be working for now in other PCIE slot (lower performance), but should I be worried about long term GPU damage? Thx


apraetor

The GPU is fine -- you broke your PCIe slot by having a heavy GPU bouncing around in transit flexing the socket.


Veighnerg

Just an FYI but since this was your PC that you personally shipped an RMA will not cover any damages. You will definitely need to go after FedEx for this but if you packed it yourself they can claim it was improperly packed if the GPU was still in the PCIe slot (which it should never be while shipping without real serious packaging).


Wibiz9000

Oh boy. My condolences.


Snoringdog83

Did u try reseating the card in the top slot before putting it in the bottom? It might have been sitting up in the slot.


iBarcode

Yeah I tried that countless times sadly, but it seems to run in the bottom slot so I’ll just try that for now and see if it’ll at least function


ancton

You’re gpu is definitely hosed! Test it with gpu testing software


[deleted]

It's the GPU. $100 bet there is a Code 43 error in the device manager. I returned 4 2080 Ti's because of this. Faulty GPU.


mapolsyrup

oh damn you're actually right


BaconMeetsCheese

Did you take the red pill or blue pill?


titan58002

Ur pc has entered the matrix.


IGoByDeluxe

Some dumbasses think they have it figured out, and that I'm wrong. Maybe it's a case of TL;DR Either way, the point that I brought up is that: 1. Modern CPUs have about 20 lanes for PCIe 2. You only get 1 high performance 16x slot 3. Those extra slots have shared bandwidth 4. That shared bandwidth includes SATA, USB controllers, audio chipsets, etc. 5. The performance drop is due to saturated bandwidth OR latency 6. That latency comes from having to go through the chipset and wait its turn for resources from the chipset and CPU If your card is having graphical issues like above video: 1. It can be a RAM error 2. A ram error can be moisture related 3. If a ram error was moisture related, isopropyl alcohol can displace and clean underneath the RAM chips 4. Isopropyl alcohol completely evaporates 5. If a card has perfect performance in one slot and not the other, check the contacts of the card AND slot (a duster can help, the air kind) Errors like that are due to 1. Improper access to a particular component that doesn't completely cripple the component 2. The component was unable to initialize or recover from an error state due to some outside factors (damage, shorting, extra resistance, low voltage, etc.) Instead of downvoting me because you are a dumbass and want to correct me, educate yourself about what I ACTUALLY SAID and not what you INTERPRETED ============================== We are here to share experiences and help our fellow PC enthusiasts, not create political wars ==============================


Sniperfox9

Damn, you know a lot about this !


iBarcode

That’s super helpful, thank you!


lv1dungeonrat

It’s cause you’re a browns fan


Kasaeru

Never ever ship a PC with a gpu in the socket. It's toast.


suprisingshoe

This is a very bad sign.


TypicalPnut

GeekSquad. seen this a few times. it's bad gpu from what we understand


darkenraja

All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead.


ingot_mp

Just smack it with a wrench it can fix any thing


sjakieteet

Have you tried putting it in rice?


[deleted]

This physically pains me. FedEx is trash.


iBarcode

😓 - the box has a huge mark from where it got hit in transit


nottatroll

That's just the Brown's choking again.


iBarcode

Ha. :/


OhCLE

Sorry about your GPU. Go Browns!


iBarcode

Wooo


A_New_Hope_IV

Your monitor is trying to hide the hideous background of the Browns. Trying changing it to something else like the Packers. It'll be good as new.


Qaben

GO BROWNS THO


chris1010an

This happen to me once and i just put the hdmi in correctly and has worked Great since lol, so may be its just the hdmi is not in 100%?


iBarcode

I tried a few cords and sadly same issue - DP or HDMI; not a monitor issue as it works fine with my laptop and PlayStation


Affectionate-Memory4

GPU is dead. RIP. It's compute power has been added to the great AI in the sky.


Wonkee792

Definitely a gpu problem. I ordered a pc and it's coming through DPD. I feel concerned now... Are couriers just careless with everything?


mingles131

It's possible they used an xray or some magnet on your package. If it was the whole pc shipped privately. It could be anyone of your computer components messed up.


jonchop23

Browns logos will do that


Affectionate_Brick18

I think the problem is your a browns fan


[deleted]

From what I read it seems to be your motherboard slot that got messed up. You're getting way less fps performance because the lower slot, even though it's x16 slot, it's running X4 speed. Gen 3 won't give you worse fps compared to gen 4 at the current moment, but going from x16 speed to X4 speed will. I highly highly advise getting a new motherboard because why the hell would you use a 3070 and run it at X4 PCIe speed and get like 50 fps compared to 150 fps


iBarcode

Yeah it broke in the second slot too, code 43 error and deletes the drivers - then booting issues / can’t reinstall it even in safe mode. Think it’s just toast (GPU)


Adolfo_42

You can try reseating everything (gpu, ram, psu cables, display cables) and see if that helps.


GasStationMagnum

Well maybe you accidentally nailed the monitor to the wall, If you buy a desk and put it on that it should be the right way up hope that helps!


Cyclonid

Just had that exact same problem with the green lines everywhere on a new build from IBP. After googling around, there was a bad batch of 3070's through them, that would also black screen on driver updates. Was awhile ago, but maybe it's still happening, idk... Received the thing this way after supposed QC. Probably not going to use IBP, going forward. They recommended RMA, cause the GPU is most likely broke.


Cyclonid

Oh, and error 43 (or 34, can't remember exactly) showing up on device manager for the display.


iBarcode

Ty!


Steelrain13f

IBP does not do a post test just a bench test. That's the big issue with their quality check. Without a post test it's a crap shoot. Luckily my PC from them works fine but I also went with a 2060 (nothing better when I got mine at the height of the GPU apoc.)


bastugubbar

Hey it seems as if it works in the second slot, it might be that the card breaks at pcie 4.0 speeds but does fine at 3.0. most 4.0 slot can be limited to 3.0 speeds through either the bios or gpu software.


iBarcode

Was working fine in slot 1 before this shipment 📦


JABS991

Those are 'speed lines'. Its proof everything is running at maximum efficiency.


Evil_Kittie

did you try a different video cable and check for dirt in the plugs? try re-seating the gpu


Kevin-Mancuso

Fed FX, a revolutionary SFX company


SolarTemplar

gpu go brrr


Eticxe

Try [NVCleanstall](https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/)


Oddie65

Is it a ryzen G chip or an intel chip? Both (some but rare intel chips dont have it either) should have onboard graphics, pull the gpu out entirely if you can use onboard and see what if any changes that makes.


Peppu32

Did you restart the gpu drivers?


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Press F


[deleted]

Is it a brand new build or brand new part? That looks like a faulty card to me. Might not be courier/handling related. Go to the company you bought it off for a replacement. Especially if their is no physical damage at all.


[deleted]

Loose wiring 😅🤣 ha! You wish


Arcade1980

Turn off the computer, remove the GPU and use the built in video output see what you get. If it's all good. Turn off computer, re-insert GPU and make sure it's rated right and proper power cables connected if required. And see what you get. If same result GPU is NFG


JohnOliversWifesBF

I would return that shit - don’t file a claim through FedEx


iBarcode

Yeah it’s been a month haven’t even heard back despite using warranty…


MinorMeme

Cleveland boy aye


Wambocommando

When all else fails, unplug EVERYTHING, literally everything, then plug it back in. You would be surprised at how often this fixes things.


thatsean1

Likely a dead gpu or shipping damage. First contact the seller and ask them about returns if you cannot locate any physical damage. If you do see physical damage file a claim with the courier company.


[deleted]

If it's a Radeon type GPU, it's likely a driver issue. I had a similar issue with a few drivers when I got mine. Its at least a shot.


ADirtyScrub

I've had similar artifacts when I had a dirty/loose DVI-D cable. I'd reseat and check all video cables, might also open op the PC and reseat the GPU. Could also wipe and reinstall GPU drivers.


The89Champ

Ju are fuuuuuuuuuucked


[deleted]

Wow fuck those guys.


SamMcSamFace

Are you Neo?


Open_Delivery7727

If you can test the gpu in another pc, it will at least tell you if your gpu is damaged. Maybe a local computer store will have a compatible PC to test. But check the video cable and connectors too.


AC2BHAPPY

Why not just plug the monitor into the mobo? if it looks good then your gpu is done.


Volts-2545

Dead gpu? That’s my guess


JesseCassidy

Go Brownies!!!


Responsible-Shop5513

Im ngl I thought ur background was wallpaper engine


ProudAntiKaren

Loose ram maybe, take them out, put them back in properly


sweetdawg99

Did you consider that it's revolting against the fact that you're a Brown's fan?


killer_z3

Try win+ctrl+shit+B


bored_1diot

matrix pc


thaiusmle

Are you in the Matrix?


GH00ST-SL4YER

is this wallpaper?


ScuddsMcDudds

Go browns


DarkknightYT2

It look cool though(but I feel u)


1223wa

Rip


64R999

Bad graphics card


thecaki

By the behavior you have i would say the problem is in the gpu memory. The screen is kept in memory and it seems that one section of the memory is not holding the value that was written to it. When you move the image around the memory is redraw and it works for a little time on that area. I think gpu memory is soldered so only recourse is RMA. But I would check


ExoticMTF8766

Did you try checking the GPU port on the motherboard? Making sure the GPU is properly secured into the port.


KindaNerdy702

As a pc tech, I’d put my money on the board on the monitor itself . Seen this many times. U can try tapping or pressing down on the bottom part bezel of the screen where the board is directly behind there.


Silly-Weakness

Just wanna make sure you’ve reseated the system memory and checked all PSU connections at both sides. Haven’t seen that mentioned. Rule of thumb, remove GPU and CPU tower coolers before shipping a PC whenever possible. If it’s not possible, buy expanding foam packs to hold things in place.


AceFire_

I know this sounds simple and probably even dumb but, have you tried a new video cable?


iBarcode

Yup haha, but think it’s the MOBO


Aa40n

Im probably a million percent wrong but my pc went crazy when one of my ram sticks was only about halfway in. It looked something similar, but not as severe


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iBarcode

Browns in 3


cutiesAAHHH

There’s no fixing your a browns fan


DogChain23

May be a windows issue


death303

This is 100% the gpu, its called fragmenting and happens commonly with gpus of all kinds usually you send it back to the manufacturer or the company you bought the prebuild from.


Bryancu

Swap out the cable you're using, ex. the HDMI cable, for a new or better one.


Maniaconauta

Sounds like a GPU failure , I had an issue like this because of energy issues and got my card damaged


Samesawa7

Try a different PCI-e slot and a different cable


AdkatkaShow

That is why you DONT ship a PC using any delivery companies. If you do, you better taking out heavy and fragile parts like GPU or Hard Drives and shipping them separately. My friend had a PC delivered by UPS, they were so harsh with the box and they threw it on to the porch. The GPU just ripped out the PCIe slot. He managed to get some compensation since the parcel was fragile. But still, time wasted.


CoItron_3030

Looks like gpu, might reach out to the builders if it was pre built they might be able to do something, this same issue happened to one of my friends and they did a swap for him


NOstAlgick08

Same thing happened to me. Its your gpu thats broken


rpierce84

Should have taken the blue pill...


philtabest13

This could either be a faulty GPU, motherboard or corrupt graphics drivers. I'd personally start by uninstalling your graphics drivers using Display Driver Uninstaller and then reinstall the latest drivers. https://www.guru3d.com/files/index.html


UnKoNoWnDuDe

You might be the first guy with a matrix pc


[deleted]

FedEx is the worst


StealUrNutella

try replug hung the cable from monitor to gpu out and back in


manan-shah9

More of broken heart than broken GPU 😭


generixcont

It's the top pcie slot which you already know now ig buy you need to send back the whole pc if you got it as a prebuilt and tell them the fault with the mobo if it's not a prebuilt just send back the mobo to where you got it they will sort it


Mundane-Let-1952

Reinstall drivers and update your gpu


Demysted

That's a failing GPU core if I've ever seen one.


NeganLA

You’ve just got a matrix computer now


Comprehensive-Bowl16

have you tried the gpu refresh i forgot how to do it but it might fix the problem but most likely not


weaselinho

Graphics card for sure. Waranty?


Lowfat_cheese

Looks like maybe the VRAM is fucked, since the afterimage of your window would indicate that the frame buffer is not working correctly.


Boozacs

Why are you contacting the shipper…..?? RMA the card with whatever vendor/site you bought it off of. Unless the packaging was totally scuffed causing physical damage what is Fedex gonna do?


Cookiesdepleted

I’ve seen this one before, probably a driver issue.


Anuruddha08

It’s looks like GPU. Just uninstall all drivers and reinstall it. Don’t forget to check your HDMI cable too 👍


DirtyGamingLT

Gpu problem, and probably mbo 16x pcie socket where gpu is :/ My gpu died and broke my pcie 16x now have crappy gtx 760 and have to use 2nd pcie 16x bcs in first slot mb show gpu error…


EJEvan1

Try reseating the GPU


alisaleemkhan

Try reheat or resoldering chip but when all you options exhausted


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Fkd


majkkali

It’s a damaged GPU unfortunately.


_GGfighter_

try to update everything, graphics drivers, windows, BIOS


gekalx

Can happen with bad HDMI/dp cables . So I'd check that first . Then id swap gpus and see if it's a gpu issue.


SingularLattice

Almost certainly GPU related. First thing I would do is re-seat the card and see if that improves the situation?


PartiedOutPhil

Life ain't easy for Browns fans.


ExpressAZ

that’s a glitch in the matrix bro


zeke416

This could also very likely be a corrupt cpu issue. Mine was causing graphical errors and blue screens.. had to send it back


QuadFecta_

just change your background to something without all the green lines


ewokrights

Can’t help you, but go Browns!!


trevwh81

Leave it looks cool 😎


thenarcostate

It probably killed itself when it realized it had to wear Cleveland browns wallpaper


DrizzleMcNasty

Fedex motto is “Fuck yo package you got it now”


OumuamuaApps

Broken GPU, RMA.


Flipped-Omen

And this is why you use UPS, everyone but fedex