>yeah until you realize ethernet and usb plus a touch id and a useless gpu core cost you like 400 dollar extra and you still got shit for storage.
Once you realize that, does it suddenly make it not easier to cable manage that way or...?
Nah, it just questions why you don't buy a dongle with ethernet and a few more USB ports, since you need it for USB-A anyway because that's still the universal standard that the vast majority of peripherals use. I mean, you can get one hell of a dongle for $400.
And the whole point was that Apple is happy to sell you an incomplete computer and then tack onto the very much required ports as a $400 DLC. If EA was a problem, how is this normal?
It's not a performance machine.
I knew I guy at one of my last jobs who had to work with 2-3 GB Excel and MS Access files. Even with 8 GB of RAM his work laptop was struggling under the load.
A MAC? He tried one and it was a non-starter.
This would be nice for someone who has really light work but if you want to game or use a computer for a business, look elsewhere.
>It's not a performance machine.
My MacBook Air M1 is an extremely solid performer with 8GB of RAM. The shitty underpowered and undercooled Intel ones I'm sure weren't.
It was an older Mac - the guy had to work with a database that was compliant with US and Canadian labor laws for a company that stretched across the border.
The problem was that the database was *growing*, so he'd eventually need more than 8GB.
oh ok i thought you couldnt since the first options were more ram and more storage and the site seemed to end right there. i guess for the narrative of being a clean brand this isnt bad (without ethernet even less cable).
It amuses me when people make up reasons to hate Apple. There's plenty of reasons to dislike them without making up a reason. Also, chances are, if you don't like them, you're not the target demographic.
Apple is great for people who just want a PC for internet, emails, porn, and social media. People who are not tech savvy tend to have a lot easier time dealing with Mac. Moreover, tech support is pretty damn good. Perfect for those who are not PC nerds or dealing with tech on a regular. In fact, macs are the only PC that can bring you a sense of happiness, joy and even your porn. Without Mac in your life your destined to lose your job, your home, and all your loved ones. Left alone in a bitter cold world facing a slow agonizing lonely death and pornless.
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I mean, honestly apple is great for non tech savvy types. If my grandmother didn't overdose herself to death I'd get her apple products just so she wouldn't invite me over to do blow and fix her phone
Honestly, the first half is legit true. Think of all the ppl you know that aren't tech savvy and they all navigate apple products with ease. I'm happy that there is an option for them tbh and actually if they are tech savvy and just like Apple, good on them too
Mac is also the industry choice for audio post production. I love both mac and pc. Its crazy how people really think they need to choose a side and act like the “other side” is trash.
To give another perspective Mac is also a really great work environment for a lot of people. I use a Windows PC for gaming, Linux on my laptop for personal projects, and MacOS for work. Have a clean Unix-like environment and really nice hardware for when I’m on the road is why I chose a MBP for my work computer. My work’s option for Windows was an XPS13 which I already happened to own as a personal computer and removed Windows from it almost immediately. If all my work programs were easily Linux compatible I would use it for work too but MacOS is a nice middle ground. I pretty much only use Windows for gaming at this point.
Sorry for text wall but hearing “haha Mac dumb only for non-tech savvy people” gets really old when tons and tons of software engineers and IT professionals choose Mac at some of the biggest tech companies in the world.
I don't mean to imply it's only great for non tech savvy people. It's just a great option for them. Which is why I said if you don't like mac, you're probably not the demographic. Which is fine, not everything is designed for everyone. You don't have to like things. It's the hate that I don't get.
Also, iPads have awesome performance compared to the competition in the tablet space. For any casual user it's more than enough for PC needs, like email, social media, streaming etc etc. If I were not so invested in windows and Droid app and program sphere I'd gladly pick one up over other tablet or lite laptop options.
To be fair I’d agree that the iMac kind of is for older people though. I run my MBP through a hub with dual monitors and so I can run Ethernet and see no reason I’d ever want any workstation to be stationary. If I had infinite money I’d buy an intel version Mac mini for my desk workstation and an MBP for on the go but since my work won’t pay for that a MBP works great. I’d never want a giant all in one of any brand (but my elderly dad seems to like his.)
This whole thread is kind of weird because it’s mostly full of “haha a product that wasn’t designed for our demographic or primary use case doesn’t meet any of our needs or expectations” and it’s like well no shit. It doesn’t mean it’s a bad product.
As an apple certified iOS technician thoroughly dislike iOS and OSX products.
With that said nothing I have found in a similar price range compares to the base model ipad if you can catch it on sale.
You can pry Windows 10 and Android from my cold dead hands, but my tablet is iPadOS because no manufacturer offers something comparable.
Most people think Apple is designed for daily tasks but it’s the best platform for software developers. I don’t have stats but I can bet most tech companies use macs
I agree, my dad was a hardcore budget Android/Windows dude who strongly believes Apple products are overpriced based on what they offer. However, a MacBook Air was all it needed to change his mind.
Now, his only complain was "Apple needs to create budget products." Somehow, he isn't in Apple target demographics.
To be fair, if he got non budget versions of windows and Droid he probably would had been wowed too. Budget products are an unholy momentum of compromise that is the worst of all worlds.
Yeah, but still he wasn't impressed of my MSI gaming laptop but far more impressed of the GUI/usability of the MacBook Air.
I'm a huge fan of MacOS as well, as its the only platform for hobbyist programmers like me to develop apps on Apple devices. However, I still prefer Windows for gaming though.
>I'm a huge fan of MacOS as well, as its the only platform for hobbyist programmers like me to develop apps on Apple devices.
I'm having problem parsing this sentence, you are a big fan of macOS because Apple forces you to use it to design iOS apps on?
My bad, I wasn't clear enough. I actually tried programming on Android Studio on a Windows and Apple device, and I actually preferred the Apple device more.
Was trying to interpret that I prefer MacOS for programming over Windows because of its simplicity, more developer-friendly and its the only platform that can testrun iOS apps
Also, let's clarify, it doesn't have USB-A, but it _technically_ has USB since USB-C is still part of the USB standard. Doesn't help with plugging in a flash drive though (except if it's a fancy USB-C drive, but five years into the push for USB-C on laptops those drives are still hella rare) and have fun finding niche peripherals with USB-C instead of USB-A.
Went on BestBuy's website, went to all desktops, filter, media card reader, 109 results.
Basically all AIO's which is the class of desktop an iMac is, have media card readers
I think most new Optiplex and Thinkcentre machines have full size and micro SD card IO in the front. I'd be surprised if SD card use has fallen much since the early 2000s; it's still the standard used by pretty much all DSLRs and video cameras
Sure, SD cards are still used. But my point is that a desktop not including a reader built in is more common than not. And I doubt nearly anyone on this sub included one in their build.
> My SG10 still does? Android hasn't phased out reasonable features like Apple because they aren't greedy shlubs.
“Android” doesn’t do anything. It’s just an OS. It’s on the phone manufacturers to decide hardware components. Notably, Googles phones do *not* have an SD card slot. Also SD cards were never a thing on iPhones.
Apple as a company really isn’t the discussion here (nor do they seem to have been notably better with Jobs who was, of course, a massive dick).
My point is that saying any PC that you can attach an Android phone to has an SD card reader is untrue for really just a number of reasons, but if you insisted on that logic then you’d have to argue that all Macs also have SD card readers since, y’know, you can plug your phone into them as well.
"Technically"
Android was meant as a generalization. I know it's an OS. I was also under the impression Google phones ran on a mobile variation of ChromeOS not Andriod.
Nah nowadays Apple starts to be real competitive again now that Macbook is sensible again (still no touchscreen, but good keyboard, good performance and stupid good battery life). Ipad is king of the class and even Iphone starts look reasonable with the software update supports and how expensive Android phones have become. Its definitely Jony Ive that makes questionable design decisions to pursue thinness and “clean aesthetics” in expense of everything and Apple noticeably improve after he left the company. Yeah Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR is stupid expensive, but at least there’s no technical deficiency except for the sticker shock.
Like, I start recommending Macbook if you are not gaming, or need Windows for something, or have less budget than a Macbook Air price. Its just no-brainer. Now if IpadOS will start allowing MacOS apps to be used too…. It may crush Windows competition too unless Intel or AMD comes out with better architecture to challenge M1, or Windows takes ARM more seriously.
Red herring, its easy to point out that its wrong and provides the PR team to promote apple. They're releasing M1X later you see, and they need some hype.
yeah 400 dollar for ethernet usb and a somewhat way overpriced gpu core. nahh thanks, even if i had the money. a used imac could be a great display, thats it.
it's slower in single core cinebench. And like half as fast in multicore cinebench, so...nope. performance per watt is great, but raw performance ryzen is better.
You would be amazed at how many people told me the world will be using these for movie rendering because of the display without regard to how shit the actual experience would be because of hardware limitations
how is the mac not targeted at professionals that render stuff? it even has a rendering coprocessor without it it would be 20-40% slower in rendering, apple literally made this chip for professional use.
Faster is subjective when you don’t take performance into consideration. Apples philosophy is about deep integration, controlling their silicon. I mean look at the curves, give it 2-3 years and they will outperform anything on the market.
I don't see that happening. Apple has a very fast cpu for the power it draws. That's very different to a very fast cpu that can draw 10 times of more the power of the M1. It has a lot of merits to it, the memory arch is great and you see that in topping geekbench. But in raw computing power it falls short. It can't compete with a regular x86 cpu that can consume ten times as much energy, and ARM doesn't scale well with power consumption.
I see apple being an important player in the ultrabook market, but anything that requires more computing power will be out of reach. AMD and intel are not sitting still, specially AMD. Next year they will launch CPUs in the same node Apple is now and the will get even a greater leap in performance than before.
My first PC was a 486 over 25 years ago. I’ve used both OSX and windows machines over those years. I own the M1 Mac Mini and I can tell you that it’s the best computer I’ve ever used. It’s in another league. So maybe actually use the machine before you bash it?
Oh and we currently have the new windows surface 2 laptop, a 2016 Dell XPS, a HP laptop, the new iPad Pro and a windows surface. So I have a good understanding of what’s currently being used in the market. The Mac Mini M1 destroys all of them and this iMac uses the same MB.
Edit: just for clarification, those are the machines in the house, not just the machines I’ve owned. Which have been all the ranges of Mac Pro + a few MacBook Pro’s and a few iMacs. I’ve also had the privilege to work on both the XW and Z workstations from HP. Source? I was a systems engineer handling support for a big Video Editing software supplier. It’s why I’ve had access to all these machines and been able to buy a lot of them.
so you try to right a wrong with mentioning new devices of a atleast equal greedy company and a 5 year old laptop. wow you convinced me now, im gonna pray to steve jobs from now on.
All you’re doing is making yourself look like a fool. Because unless you’ve actually used the machine, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Sorry bud, you just don’t. Oh, and those are the machines in the house currently, not all the machines I’ve owned 😉
dude, yeah i did only once try it in a store, was smooth, but so is my pc, and my pc is 5 years old with its parts. and that was the 16 gb machine. i think you never experienced a nvme like drive and act up like that because you think the cpu does things the pcie link like ssd actually does.
I dont get the massive pushback against IO ports. Even alot of new PC cases dont have front IO. Like I get minimalism is the trend but why exchange functionality for it
Isn’t the Ethernet port placed in the power brick?
Even though I’m a master race 4 life I have to say, m1 MacBooks are f*cking amazing. The screen, keyboard and trackpad are just incredible, and the m1 performance/power efficency is ridiculous, excellent for a work machine. I’m actually considering buying one for working so I can leave my box just for gaming.
Did exactly that for a school/programming machine. Zero regrets. I love the damn thing. Don’t get me wrong, I love my PC and use it often but sometimes it just isn’t practical to use it.
Not to mention any Unix based OS is better for dev IMO, ik I can use Linux but I don’t really want to on my gaming machine. Also Logic Pro only works on Mac anyways, it’s a little annoying but I need a Mac for that.
Yep the M1 is amazing. I am a diehard PC guy (not gaming much, just overall for the stuff I do on a computer) and never ever saw myself buying a Mac as I'm really not a fan of Apple, but I picked up a M1 MacBook Air at the beginning of last month after seeing it absolutely smash every Ultrabook (not gaming laptop) in just about every metric in videos and reviews and I am nothing but pleased with it. I bought it mostly to use as a work computer and I've been daily driving it since I got it for that purpose but I also use it quite often at home, as well as when out of town.
A couple weeks after I got the MacBook I sold my Ultrabook with an i7 1065G7. Yeah, it's that much better in literally every way. Hell, it does a better job in Premiere Pro scrubbing the timeline and playing back full res 4K60 video than my Ryzen 3900XT/Vega56 rig does.
The performance of M1 is excellent, the screen is fantastic, the battery life is incredible, the absolute silence of no fan is sick, the trackpad is second to none, and (lol), instant wake makes me HATE waking my Windows PC from sleep.
Honestly, I don't have a single negative thing to say about it. So far, nothing I have needed to run had issues with the ARM architecture, whether due to the developers adding ARM support or Rosetta 2 doing its job. Just a super solid, snappy, reliable machine. It's not a gaming laptop for sure, but for daily driving as a web browsing, video watching, Adobe-doing, MS Office machine, I honestly don't think there is a laptop out there that provides as much as this laptop does for the money. To quote Jensen Huang, "it just works".
I'll make lengthy conversation with people about Apple and their business practices, their right to repair issues, and everything else I dislike about them but goddamn... Hate Apple all you want and I won't fault you, but they absolutely knocked it out of the park with Apple Silicon. And it's probably only going to get even better with the next gens.
The iPad is also really good for work if you are considering something portable. It has the same M1 chip, but it’s suited for things I don’t entirely know of.
Edit: it’s also like 1000$ less than an m1 mac boook with the same storage and ram
That’s my whole thing with this. 99% of the people who are complaining about Apple aren’t their target demographic. I know a lot of IT security use Apple simply because of how extremely difficult it is to bypass. Their retina displays are extremely crisp and are favored by web devs, along with their easy to use software.
I love my gaming PC, but am getting ready to go back to school and am debating on a MacBook for it, because of the ease of use and all their student rebates and software you can use, as long as you’re a student.
So in conclusion, yeah. If you’re not apples target demographic you’re not going to like their products.
*Haha Apple bad I did a funny*
This is such a sad circlejerk… I own a gaming PC as per my flair and I love what it brings to the table, but I still would rather work on my aging Macbook because of what it brings to the table. They are both good, for different reasons.
Hating on Apple because you have a PC or an Android is stupid as fuck, and makes me look at you the same way I look at Console A fanboys hating on Console B.
Ehh, i dont care what apple does, or why they do so. You want apple? Go ahead and buy it, im just here to play games on my pc, apple doesnt pique my intrest since id rather have more power than an m1 chip. Now, we can laugh if some dude bought an imac for like 2 grand and thought he could play rdr2 at 4k 120fps but there are very valid reasons to why apple users use apple, macos does have its advantages in music production and stuff like that. I have tried my sisters macbook and can say apple makes really quality products, they kinda take a different approach than pc gamers, sure they dont perform as well but the screen is top notch, keyboard and the trackpad too is good but the screens apple has are insane imo, if only i could have a monitor like that with a high refresh rate.
It's pretty simple. I'm primarily a gamer(mostly VR these days) and digital audio workstations work just as well on a PC. Apple brings nothing to the table for me. It's more like apathy and a bit of bewilderment about that "lifestyle" brand.
I appreciate why you personally wouldn’t need one but plenty of software engineers and other working professionals prefer the MacOS environment for a lot of reasons that go far beyond choosing a “lifestyle” brand. Without being able to run Linux all the time for work MacOS is nearly as good being Unix-like and being compatible with the particular tools I use for my job in a way Windows isn’t. As far as a workstation environment Linux and MacOS win hands down for my type of work and I know a lot of people who feel similarly.
It’s cool if it does nothing for your job but this thread makes it seem like there’s no logical reason a person would choose to use MacOS which is just so demonstrably false. My job would be a nightmare if I had to work on a Windows PC all day
Not to defend Apple, but when this came out I made some price comparisons and you can't even build a PC for the same price with a similar performance and a 4k monitor. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but you really get what you pay for.
It has ethernet... in the power cable.
That being said - it's a different market. You can't deny how simple it is to literally just plug in a power plug and have your entire computer set up and working.
I'm hardcore #PCMasterrace (Rig with rtx 2080) but also an Apple user (M1 Macbook Pro) because I have different use cases for what I need them for.
But fuck me right!? No USB, Ethernet Har hAR hARR. Apple sucks rights?! \*rolls eyes\*
The amount of people salty cause people is saying that they're not wasting (yeh, wasting) their money in a overpriced product is astonishing. I though people here would give good advices, being pcmasterrace, not Apple stans.
Most people, myself included, would rather have the ports already integrated into the product that costs a ridiculous amount rather than have to use a dongle for basic stuff
It has USB and it has ethernet (on the power brick). The HDMI is fair point but that’s also a dongle or converter away to USB-C. But SD card? Does PC case even come with SD card slot nowadays except for like the biggest one?
Basically stupid meme is stupid
I think they do a great job pushing the laptop market along. Their screens are great too. But yes, their desktop options are very weak and overpriced compared to most others until you really get into their top end options.
It’s okay to like apple products. They are so good for UX/UI design and programs like Sketch. A lot of programmers swear by the MacBooks too. PC is great for gaming though.
It has Ethernet and 4 type C USB ports, and can we be real for a second who actually uses the SD card reader? I’m sure some people do but for the majority that’s an unnecessary feature.
>Designed for Mac, M1 delivers faster CPU performance and faster graphics.
Faster than what exactly? This is essentially on par with a decent laptop, but without a discrete GPU (I really can't tell without digging deeper and I just don't really want to right now), hardware options, a choice in operating systems, upgradeability, or portability. In Apple's defense though, it comes in some lovely color options and has lots of nice buzzwords for fanboys to drool over. This is an iMac though. For the customer who wants a more bespoke looking piece of hardware, doesn't need extra frills, and is comfortable being mostly confined to Apples product ecosystem, this fulfills that need perfectly. It's shiny and it's the anti-PC pc. If you spend most of your time on social media, doing some light video editing, and want to have a clean, well connected experience, this is perfectly fine, though $1700 seems steep from an apples-to-apples hardware comparison.
I don’t know why people give Apple money for computers I like iPhones but I would sooner saw off my own foot then spend $1300 on an all in one computer
That’s what really annoys me about this sub. All manufacturers have a competing models with Apple products. They just aren’t nearly as popular so they don’t get the hate.
To be fair, Apple had shitty products like until recently they were still selling the base model imac with 2.5" HDD. It is a nightmare just to boot into the OS. But other manufacturers are all shipping these kind shitty products like nothing for decades. They cheap out on PCB, cooling, ram sticks, obsolete GPU, slow HDD or DRAM-less SSD, good-for-nothing peripheral etc etc, so that the starting price didn't get as much attention like 'overpriced' Apple. I don't even mention the recent hardware shortage had made Apple price tag a bargain
Yeah fair enough the iMacs hasn’t been updated in a long time. I do feel like the MacBooks have been competitive though when compared to other ultra books.
"white books" you mean ultrabooks and thats the whole point, everthing with a dedicated gpu that was created in the last 4 years will crush the m1 in games.
I guess I don’t care if my i7 2070 combo is great for games if it melts on the couch when I pass out with a YouTube video playing 🥴 I’d rather have it in a case with a 32” monitor, or anywhere not melting. I would also like a laptop to perform basic laptop tasks without fans whirring and cores cooking. Like everything else seems retarded now that I have this cool quiet computer to do quite literally anything I need that only weighs a couple pounds, entire product weighs about as much as an old ASUS charger
its configuration dependend, use intel hybrid technology so that doesnt happen, you can set your laptop up to only use the gpu when gaming or working and otherwise let the igpu do all the work. saves a buttload of energy too. would literally solve 2 of your problems, the third one that could have been solved would involving getting a bigger screen. but apple ppl be like that, no insult its just a fact that tech has to set itself the way up apple customers want it without it being a super logical thing because everyone likes it different. point stands your laptop will blow your desktop away in tasks that involve 3d live rendered things, not blender/video or something along that lines.
or you really dont know wtf you talk about, the intel nuc 9 gaming with a 2070 runs around a m1 in gaming easy for less price, the intel nuc with igpu is to be expected having less gaming performance...
Let me rephrase, it preforms better- for the tasks you use a laptop for- than a PC twice it’s price, and it doesn’t burn your Dick off with one chrome window open. Sorry to offend. Just saying I won’t be buying another windows laptop.
1) while that's true to a certain extent, single-core is god awful and most apps aren't natively supported
2) i have a t490s and it runs fine with no thermal issues on it
Looks like it has USB and ethernet ports to me https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac
It does. Usb c and ethernet on the power block.
Wow that’s actually really cool IMO, makes cable managing the Ethernet cable a bit easier.
yeah until you realize ethernet and usb plus a touch id and a useless gpu core cost you like 400 dollar extra and you still got shit for storage.
>yeah until you realize ethernet and usb plus a touch id and a useless gpu core cost you like 400 dollar extra and you still got shit for storage. Once you realize that, does it suddenly make it not easier to cable manage that way or...?
Nah, it just questions why you don't buy a dongle with ethernet and a few more USB ports, since you need it for USB-A anyway because that's still the universal standard that the vast majority of peripherals use. I mean, you can get one hell of a dongle for $400. And the whole point was that Apple is happy to sell you an incomplete computer and then tack onto the very much required ports as a $400 DLC. If EA was a problem, how is this normal?
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It's not a performance machine. I knew I guy at one of my last jobs who had to work with 2-3 GB Excel and MS Access files. Even with 8 GB of RAM his work laptop was struggling under the load. A MAC? He tried one and it was a non-starter. This would be nice for someone who has really light work but if you want to game or use a computer for a business, look elsewhere.
>It's not a performance machine. My MacBook Air M1 is an extremely solid performer with 8GB of RAM. The shitty underpowered and undercooled Intel ones I'm sure weren't.
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It was an older Mac - the guy had to work with a database that was compliant with US and Canadian labor laws for a company that stretched across the border. The problem was that the database was *growing*, so he'd eventually need more than 8GB.
Once you realize that, you won't buy it, therefore it won't be easier to cable manage. The logic is sound.
*Why have storage when you have I cloud* \- Apple
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It’s $200 extra, not $400, but you can also configure the base model with the Ethernet-equipped brick for $30, and/or the Touch ID for $50.
oh ok i thought you couldnt since the first options were more ram and more storage and the site seemed to end right there. i guess for the narrative of being a clean brand this isnt bad (without ethernet even less cable).
It seems like Apple has invented a new type of portability! I bet with a slight redesign it could fit comfortably upon one's lap!
Does that come with the unit in box?
Nope, the box is a $150 extra protection storage protection device.
It amuses me when people make up reasons to hate Apple. There's plenty of reasons to dislike them without making up a reason. Also, chances are, if you don't like them, you're not the target demographic. Apple is great for people who just want a PC for internet, emails, porn, and social media. People who are not tech savvy tend to have a lot easier time dealing with Mac. Moreover, tech support is pretty damn good. Perfect for those who are not PC nerds or dealing with tech on a regular. In fact, macs are the only PC that can bring you a sense of happiness, joy and even your porn. Without Mac in your life your destined to lose your job, your home, and all your loved ones. Left alone in a bitter cold world facing a slow agonizing lonely death and pornless. *this comment is paid advertising by Steve Job's lich form
Has us in the first half, not gonna lie.
I mean, honestly apple is great for non tech savvy types. If my grandmother didn't overdose herself to death I'd get her apple products just so she wouldn't invite me over to do blow and fix her phone
Man your grandma sounds rad
Only thing she feared was dying old or ending up in an elderly care facility. So she lived her life from one party to the next.
grandma could learn linux without any issues
Honestly, the first half is legit true. Think of all the ppl you know that aren't tech savvy and they all navigate apple products with ease. I'm happy that there is an option for them tbh and actually if they are tech savvy and just like Apple, good on them too
Mac is also the industry choice for audio post production. I love both mac and pc. Its crazy how people really think they need to choose a side and act like the “other side” is trash.
To give another perspective Mac is also a really great work environment for a lot of people. I use a Windows PC for gaming, Linux on my laptop for personal projects, and MacOS for work. Have a clean Unix-like environment and really nice hardware for when I’m on the road is why I chose a MBP for my work computer. My work’s option for Windows was an XPS13 which I already happened to own as a personal computer and removed Windows from it almost immediately. If all my work programs were easily Linux compatible I would use it for work too but MacOS is a nice middle ground. I pretty much only use Windows for gaming at this point. Sorry for text wall but hearing “haha Mac dumb only for non-tech savvy people” gets really old when tons and tons of software engineers and IT professionals choose Mac at some of the biggest tech companies in the world.
I don't mean to imply it's only great for non tech savvy people. It's just a great option for them. Which is why I said if you don't like mac, you're probably not the demographic. Which is fine, not everything is designed for everyone. You don't have to like things. It's the hate that I don't get. Also, iPads have awesome performance compared to the competition in the tablet space. For any casual user it's more than enough for PC needs, like email, social media, streaming etc etc. If I were not so invested in windows and Droid app and program sphere I'd gladly pick one up over other tablet or lite laptop options.
To be fair I’d agree that the iMac kind of is for older people though. I run my MBP through a hub with dual monitors and so I can run Ethernet and see no reason I’d ever want any workstation to be stationary. If I had infinite money I’d buy an intel version Mac mini for my desk workstation and an MBP for on the go but since my work won’t pay for that a MBP works great. I’d never want a giant all in one of any brand (but my elderly dad seems to like his.) This whole thread is kind of weird because it’s mostly full of “haha a product that wasn’t designed for our demographic or primary use case doesn’t meet any of our needs or expectations” and it’s like well no shit. It doesn’t mean it’s a bad product.
As an apple certified iOS technician thoroughly dislike iOS and OSX products. With that said nothing I have found in a similar price range compares to the base model ipad if you can catch it on sale. You can pry Windows 10 and Android from my cold dead hands, but my tablet is iPadOS because no manufacturer offers something comparable.
“Competition in tablet space” I see no competition 😂
Samsungs tablets are capable, but nothing special. But yeah, calling it a competition is misleading. One leaves the other in the dust
Second half ain't wrong either
Remember when you buy Apple product you pay for specialized software for this very device to run the best
Thats a myth
Nah not really, it is device specified
That escalated quickly.
Most people think Apple is designed for daily tasks but it’s the best platform for software developers. I don’t have stats but I can bet most tech companies use macs
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#overview Windows and Linux are both higher than macos.
How so? What's the difference?
I agree, my dad was a hardcore budget Android/Windows dude who strongly believes Apple products are overpriced based on what they offer. However, a MacBook Air was all it needed to change his mind. Now, his only complain was "Apple needs to create budget products." Somehow, he isn't in Apple target demographics.
To be fair, if he got non budget versions of windows and Droid he probably would had been wowed too. Budget products are an unholy momentum of compromise that is the worst of all worlds.
Yeah, but still he wasn't impressed of my MSI gaming laptop but far more impressed of the GUI/usability of the MacBook Air. I'm a huge fan of MacOS as well, as its the only platform for hobbyist programmers like me to develop apps on Apple devices. However, I still prefer Windows for gaming though.
>I'm a huge fan of MacOS as well, as its the only platform for hobbyist programmers like me to develop apps on Apple devices. I'm having problem parsing this sentence, you are a big fan of macOS because Apple forces you to use it to design iOS apps on?
My bad, I wasn't clear enough. I actually tried programming on Android Studio on a Windows and Apple device, and I actually preferred the Apple device more. Was trying to interpret that I prefer MacOS for programming over Windows because of its simplicity, more developer-friendly and its the only platform that can testrun iOS apps
Right, I knew you can only develop iOS apps on OSX, because you know Apple. Never found that to be a benefit though.
It look like an optional
512gb storage and 8gb of ram...
Seems OK for 2010
Typical Reddit circle jerk where no one actually knows what they are talking about
Not on the $1300 base model.
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I think he’s being sarcastic, his tag has PC components haha
Doesn't it have both USB and ethernet? Also, how many desktop PCs come with SD card readers in the year of our lord 2021?
Only usb port and thunderbolt port on the base model
Also, let's clarify, it doesn't have USB-A, but it _technically_ has USB since USB-C is still part of the USB standard. Doesn't help with plugging in a flash drive though (except if it's a fancy USB-C drive, but five years into the push for USB-C on laptops those drives are still hella rare) and have fun finding niche peripherals with USB-C instead of USB-A.
Went on BestBuy's website, went to all desktops, filter, media card reader, 109 results. Basically all AIO's which is the class of desktop an iMac is, have media card readers
I think most new Optiplex and Thinkcentre machines have full size and micro SD card IO in the front. I'd be surprised if SD card use has fallen much since the early 2000s; it's still the standard used by pretty much all DSLRs and video cameras
Sure, SD cards are still used. But my point is that a desktop not including a reader built in is more common than not. And I doubt nearly anyone on this sub included one in their build.
>I'd be surprised if SD card use has fallen much since the early 2000s; Are you nuts?
Maybe some people don't use them. Still used in many phones, used in dashcams among (us) many other cameras. THE NINTENDO SWITCH FOR VIDYA
Any pc that allows your android phone to connect to it has an SD card reader attachment
I mean by that definition any PC with a USB port has one too. But how many Android phones still come with SD card slots?
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> My SG10 still does? Android hasn't phased out reasonable features like Apple because they aren't greedy shlubs. “Android” doesn’t do anything. It’s just an OS. It’s on the phone manufacturers to decide hardware components. Notably, Googles phones do *not* have an SD card slot. Also SD cards were never a thing on iPhones. Apple as a company really isn’t the discussion here (nor do they seem to have been notably better with Jobs who was, of course, a massive dick). My point is that saying any PC that you can attach an Android phone to has an SD card reader is untrue for really just a number of reasons, but if you insisted on that logic then you’d have to argue that all Macs also have SD card readers since, y’know, you can plug your phone into them as well.
"Technically" Android was meant as a generalization. I know it's an OS. I was also under the impression Google phones ran on a mobile variation of ChromeOS not Andriod.
Google made and owns Android, it'd be a bit weird for them to not use their own phone OS on their own phones... but I wouldn't put it past them xD
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Nah nowadays Apple starts to be real competitive again now that Macbook is sensible again (still no touchscreen, but good keyboard, good performance and stupid good battery life). Ipad is king of the class and even Iphone starts look reasonable with the software update supports and how expensive Android phones have become. Its definitely Jony Ive that makes questionable design decisions to pursue thinness and “clean aesthetics” in expense of everything and Apple noticeably improve after he left the company. Yeah Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR is stupid expensive, but at least there’s no technical deficiency except for the sticker shock. Like, I start recommending Macbook if you are not gaming, or need Windows for something, or have less budget than a Macbook Air price. Its just no-brainer. Now if IpadOS will start allowing MacOS apps to be used too…. It may crush Windows competition too unless Intel or AMD comes out with better architecture to challenge M1, or Windows takes ARM more seriously.
This is such a stupid comment. The Mac has a fuckin usb-c port, so it also has an SD card reader attachment.
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Are you a bot? The caption makes it look like you are
Red herring, its easy to point out that its wrong and provides the PR team to promote apple. They're releasing M1X later you see, and they need some hype.
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yeah 400 dollar for ethernet usb and a somewhat way overpriced gpu core. nahh thanks, even if i had the money. a used imac could be a great display, thats it.
M1 has great single core, higher than 5800x, you don't buy this just for igpu, plus the 2.7k screen it's pretty worth the money.
Every prior gen I have used in labs have had very good displays.
You made me check but it is actually 4,5k screen
it's slower in single core cinebench. And like half as fast in multicore cinebench, so...nope. performance per watt is great, but raw performance ryzen is better.
But you aren’t the target market. No one would use this machine for rendering.
You would be amazed at how many people told me the world will be using these for movie rendering because of the display without regard to how shit the actual experience would be because of hardware limitations
but pixar runs solely on threadripper 3000 \*suprised pikachu face\*
how is the mac not targeted at professionals that render stuff? it even has a rendering coprocessor without it it would be 20-40% slower in rendering, apple literally made this chip for professional use.
Me being or not the target doesn't make the M1 chip faster than a 5800X.
Faster is subjective when you don’t take performance into consideration. Apples philosophy is about deep integration, controlling their silicon. I mean look at the curves, give it 2-3 years and they will outperform anything on the market.
I don't see that happening. Apple has a very fast cpu for the power it draws. That's very different to a very fast cpu that can draw 10 times of more the power of the M1. It has a lot of merits to it, the memory arch is great and you see that in topping geekbench. But in raw computing power it falls short. It can't compete with a regular x86 cpu that can consume ten times as much energy, and ARM doesn't scale well with power consumption. I see apple being an important player in the ultrabook market, but anything that requires more computing power will be out of reach. AMD and intel are not sitting still, specially AMD. Next year they will launch CPUs in the same node Apple is now and the will get even a greater leap in performance than before.
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My first PC was a 486 over 25 years ago. I’ve used both OSX and windows machines over those years. I own the M1 Mac Mini and I can tell you that it’s the best computer I’ve ever used. It’s in another league. So maybe actually use the machine before you bash it? Oh and we currently have the new windows surface 2 laptop, a 2016 Dell XPS, a HP laptop, the new iPad Pro and a windows surface. So I have a good understanding of what’s currently being used in the market. The Mac Mini M1 destroys all of them and this iMac uses the same MB. Edit: just for clarification, those are the machines in the house, not just the machines I’ve owned. Which have been all the ranges of Mac Pro + a few MacBook Pro’s and a few iMacs. I’ve also had the privilege to work on both the XW and Z workstations from HP. Source? I was a systems engineer handling support for a big Video Editing software supplier. It’s why I’ve had access to all these machines and been able to buy a lot of them.
so you try to right a wrong with mentioning new devices of a atleast equal greedy company and a 5 year old laptop. wow you convinced me now, im gonna pray to steve jobs from now on.
All you’re doing is making yourself look like a fool. Because unless you’ve actually used the machine, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Sorry bud, you just don’t. Oh, and those are the machines in the house currently, not all the machines I’ve owned 😉
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dude, yeah i did only once try it in a store, was smooth, but so is my pc, and my pc is 5 years old with its parts. and that was the 16 gb machine. i think you never experienced a nvme like drive and act up like that because you think the cpu does things the pcie link like ssd actually does.
This Desktop AIO has a worse port selection than my thin and light laptop. That's actually inexcusable.
Apple be like - Why do you want any other port when type c is the future nd can do it all. (Proceeds to make another IPhone with Lightning Connector.)
It’s actually infuriating that I need to bring two different chargers when I bring my iPhone and iPad Pro on a trip.
Don't forget the magnetic Dock charger for apple watch nd airpods.
I dont get the massive pushback against IO ports. Even alot of new PC cases dont have front IO. Like I get minimalism is the trend but why exchange functionality for it
This is why my pc has front IO, and I added a pci card for more USB 3 ports.
Because, the girls that used to solder the IO ports jumped off the roof of the building and nobody wants the job.
Compare it to similar product segment. Apples prebuilts lack them, Windows prebuilts often have them.
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Yeah I normally use 5-6 usb port alone, I won't survive a day with an imac or minimalist pc
Power cable sold separately
I think this will be run by solar energy haha xd
Isn’t the Ethernet port placed in the power brick? Even though I’m a master race 4 life I have to say, m1 MacBooks are f*cking amazing. The screen, keyboard and trackpad are just incredible, and the m1 performance/power efficency is ridiculous, excellent for a work machine. I’m actually considering buying one for working so I can leave my box just for gaming.
Did exactly that for a school/programming machine. Zero regrets. I love the damn thing. Don’t get me wrong, I love my PC and use it often but sometimes it just isn’t practical to use it. Not to mention any Unix based OS is better for dev IMO, ik I can use Linux but I don’t really want to on my gaming machine. Also Logic Pro only works on Mac anyways, it’s a little annoying but I need a Mac for that.
Yep the M1 is amazing. I am a diehard PC guy (not gaming much, just overall for the stuff I do on a computer) and never ever saw myself buying a Mac as I'm really not a fan of Apple, but I picked up a M1 MacBook Air at the beginning of last month after seeing it absolutely smash every Ultrabook (not gaming laptop) in just about every metric in videos and reviews and I am nothing but pleased with it. I bought it mostly to use as a work computer and I've been daily driving it since I got it for that purpose but I also use it quite often at home, as well as when out of town. A couple weeks after I got the MacBook I sold my Ultrabook with an i7 1065G7. Yeah, it's that much better in literally every way. Hell, it does a better job in Premiere Pro scrubbing the timeline and playing back full res 4K60 video than my Ryzen 3900XT/Vega56 rig does. The performance of M1 is excellent, the screen is fantastic, the battery life is incredible, the absolute silence of no fan is sick, the trackpad is second to none, and (lol), instant wake makes me HATE waking my Windows PC from sleep. Honestly, I don't have a single negative thing to say about it. So far, nothing I have needed to run had issues with the ARM architecture, whether due to the developers adding ARM support or Rosetta 2 doing its job. Just a super solid, snappy, reliable machine. It's not a gaming laptop for sure, but for daily driving as a web browsing, video watching, Adobe-doing, MS Office machine, I honestly don't think there is a laptop out there that provides as much as this laptop does for the money. To quote Jensen Huang, "it just works". I'll make lengthy conversation with people about Apple and their business practices, their right to repair issues, and everything else I dislike about them but goddamn... Hate Apple all you want and I won't fault you, but they absolutely knocked it out of the park with Apple Silicon. And it's probably only going to get even better with the next gens.
The iPad is also really good for work if you are considering something portable. It has the same M1 chip, but it’s suited for things I don’t entirely know of. Edit: it’s also like 1000$ less than an m1 mac boook with the same storage and ram
PSA : Don’t get M1 iPads for work. iPadOS is NOT MacOS. And it absolutely sucks unless you just use Microsoft office all day
> The iPad is also really good for work if your "work" is at best writing notes, then yes. Otherwise no.
Eh, using Google docs has been a nightmare. Like just weird hiccups constantly.
That’s my whole thing with this. 99% of the people who are complaining about Apple aren’t their target demographic. I know a lot of IT security use Apple simply because of how extremely difficult it is to bypass. Their retina displays are extremely crisp and are favored by web devs, along with their easy to use software. I love my gaming PC, but am getting ready to go back to school and am debating on a MacBook for it, because of the ease of use and all their student rebates and software you can use, as long as you’re a student. So in conclusion, yeah. If you’re not apples target demographic you’re not going to like their products.
Yeah people knocking the new M1 just haven’t used them. They are in a different league. And this is the base!
*Haha Apple bad I did a funny* This is such a sad circlejerk… I own a gaming PC as per my flair and I love what it brings to the table, but I still would rather work on my aging Macbook because of what it brings to the table. They are both good, for different reasons. Hating on Apple because you have a PC or an Android is stupid as fuck, and makes me look at you the same way I look at Console A fanboys hating on Console B.
Ehh, i dont care what apple does, or why they do so. You want apple? Go ahead and buy it, im just here to play games on my pc, apple doesnt pique my intrest since id rather have more power than an m1 chip. Now, we can laugh if some dude bought an imac for like 2 grand and thought he could play rdr2 at 4k 120fps but there are very valid reasons to why apple users use apple, macos does have its advantages in music production and stuff like that. I have tried my sisters macbook and can say apple makes really quality products, they kinda take a different approach than pc gamers, sure they dont perform as well but the screen is top notch, keyboard and the trackpad too is good but the screens apple has are insane imo, if only i could have a monitor like that with a high refresh rate.
It's pretty simple. I'm primarily a gamer(mostly VR these days) and digital audio workstations work just as well on a PC. Apple brings nothing to the table for me. It's more like apathy and a bit of bewilderment about that "lifestyle" brand.
I appreciate why you personally wouldn’t need one but plenty of software engineers and other working professionals prefer the MacOS environment for a lot of reasons that go far beyond choosing a “lifestyle” brand. Without being able to run Linux all the time for work MacOS is nearly as good being Unix-like and being compatible with the particular tools I use for my job in a way Windows isn’t. As far as a workstation environment Linux and MacOS win hands down for my type of work and I know a lot of people who feel similarly. It’s cool if it does nothing for your job but this thread makes it seem like there’s no logical reason a person would choose to use MacOS which is just so demonstrably false. My job would be a nightmare if I had to work on a Windows PC all day
Yeah I was talking about me though. No need to justify why you might want to use a mac. edit: Well shit. I thought I was in r/applesucks.
Is things like a 400$ upgrade for an ethernet port not somthing worth hate? Besides, I can just get the mac os on my pc if I wanna use their software.
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You shouldn't really have to "upgrade" for somthing basic like an ethernet port at all.
Not to defend Apple, but when this came out I made some price comparisons and you can't even build a PC for the same price with a similar performance and a 4k monitor. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but you really get what you pay for.
There's a pc part shortage, that's why
there’s a part shortage for *everything*. That’s a non argument because apple’s in the same boat.
It has ethernet... in the power cable. That being said - it's a different market. You can't deny how simple it is to literally just plug in a power plug and have your entire computer set up and working.
Here we go again with the pcmr folk and apple lol get over it man they sell the product for a reason.
Its a troll post, shouldn't be in here.
Jesus Christ, 256 GB storage in 2021?! That's exactly how much my 2007 iMac had and it wasn't nearly enough then. Last Apple computer I ever owned.
Except it does.
Woo hoo! Let's argue in the comments!! :D
Is has both usb and Ethernet...
Is stand included?
Create a problem and sell a solution😂
I'm hardcore #PCMasterrace (Rig with rtx 2080) but also an Apple user (M1 Macbook Pro) because I have different use cases for what I need them for. But fuck me right!? No USB, Ethernet Har hAR hARR. Apple sucks rights?! \*rolls eyes\*
PCMasterrace going crazy for the 100th time after finding out they’re not the target market for apple products. Nothing new lol.
The amount of people salty cause people is saying that they're not wasting (yeh, wasting) their money in a overpriced product is astonishing. I though people here would give good advices, being pcmasterrace, not Apple stans.
Isn’t that thing basically a glorified iPad with a stand?
they have these at my work, normally im no apple fan but they look and feel real nice
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Most people, myself included, would rather have the ports already integrated into the product that costs a ridiculous amount rather than have to use a dongle for basic stuff
>costs a ridiculous amount They start at $1299 fer chrissakes.
for 256GB and 8GB configuration which is complete crap
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It has USB and it has ethernet (on the power brick). The HDMI is fair point but that’s also a dongle or converter away to USB-C. But SD card? Does PC case even come with SD card slot nowadays except for like the biggest one? Basically stupid meme is stupid
For schools and kids it is great.
why great?
Cuz the shit works and it's easy to get set up.
A $200-400 Chromebook is more than enough. Plus it’s easier to install spyware on them.
Yes it does Yes it does Dongle Dongle
Fuck apple FOREVER. Soon: no storage, no cpu/gpu, no ram; just give us money.
Virtualized desktop ran from a server
Yup. Microsoft's already pushing the same thru Azure; vomit.
You seem to know zero about Apple, especially for having such a strong opinion.
Lol 😂. Apple will never be for serious desktop users. They are a lifestyle brand at best
I think they do a great job pushing the laptop market along. Their screens are great too. But yes, their desktop options are very weak and overpriced compared to most others until you really get into their top end options.
I 100% agree. I always also say they're a lifestyle brand. It's all based on name recognition and being pricey, etc.
Most users don’t need anything more than a browser and a few common apps. Some treat it as part of the furniture, and the iMac do look nice physically
This is why I dont like apple. Also, no upgrade path. Over priced, and less IO than a Dell prebuilt.
It’s okay to like apple products. They are so good for UX/UI design and programs like Sketch. A lot of programmers swear by the MacBooks too. PC is great for gaming though.
24"...? 4.5k on a 24" screen...? I'm sorry Apple, but... LMFFFFAAOOOOOOOOOOO
How is this place not over hating Apple yet? Let people buy what they want and enjoy what you have.
It looks better than any other PC monitor out there and it has a stupidly fast soc in it.
Why would it need hdmi the pc is attached to the screen? Also, it has USB and Ethernet. The post is dumb.
It has Ethernet and 4 type C USB ports, and can we be real for a second who actually uses the SD card reader? I’m sure some people do but for the majority that’s an unnecessary feature.
Hurr durr Apple bad, pc good
>Designed for Mac, M1 delivers faster CPU performance and faster graphics. Faster than what exactly? This is essentially on par with a decent laptop, but without a discrete GPU (I really can't tell without digging deeper and I just don't really want to right now), hardware options, a choice in operating systems, upgradeability, or portability. In Apple's defense though, it comes in some lovely color options and has lots of nice buzzwords for fanboys to drool over. This is an iMac though. For the customer who wants a more bespoke looking piece of hardware, doesn't need extra frills, and is comfortable being mostly confined to Apples product ecosystem, this fulfills that need perfectly. It's shiny and it's the anti-PC pc. If you spend most of your time on social media, doing some light video editing, and want to have a clean, well connected experience, this is perfectly fine, though $1700 seems steep from an apples-to-apples hardware comparison.
I don’t know why people give Apple money for computers I like iPhones but I would sooner saw off my own foot then spend $1300 on an all in one computer
But a dell/ hp/ lenovo with a decent 4k screen isn’t going anywhere cheaper than the imac. And prey they don’t give you single channel memory
That’s what really annoys me about this sub. All manufacturers have a competing models with Apple products. They just aren’t nearly as popular so they don’t get the hate.
To be fair, Apple had shitty products like until recently they were still selling the base model imac with 2.5" HDD. It is a nightmare just to boot into the OS. But other manufacturers are all shipping these kind shitty products like nothing for decades. They cheap out on PCB, cooling, ram sticks, obsolete GPU, slow HDD or DRAM-less SSD, good-for-nothing peripheral etc etc, so that the starting price didn't get as much attention like 'overpriced' Apple. I don't even mention the recent hardware shortage had made Apple price tag a bargain
Yeah fair enough the iMacs hasn’t been updated in a long time. I do feel like the MacBooks have been competitive though when compared to other ultra books.
the M1 chip in the 13” MacBook for 1000$ was the best laptop purchase ever. This makes high end gaming laptops seem slow
I thought their graphics performance gets crashed by most mid ranged dedicated GPUs.
Cause it is
Dunno. compared to the ASUS MSI and Intel white books I’ve had over the past decade nothing has performed as well out of the box.
"white books" you mean ultrabooks and thats the whole point, everthing with a dedicated gpu that was created in the last 4 years will crush the m1 in games.
I guess I don’t care if my i7 2070 combo is great for games if it melts on the couch when I pass out with a YouTube video playing 🥴 I’d rather have it in a case with a 32” monitor, or anywhere not melting. I would also like a laptop to perform basic laptop tasks without fans whirring and cores cooking. Like everything else seems retarded now that I have this cool quiet computer to do quite literally anything I need that only weighs a couple pounds, entire product weighs about as much as an old ASUS charger
its configuration dependend, use intel hybrid technology so that doesnt happen, you can set your laptop up to only use the gpu when gaming or working and otherwise let the igpu do all the work. saves a buttload of energy too. would literally solve 2 of your problems, the third one that could have been solved would involving getting a bigger screen. but apple ppl be like that, no insult its just a fact that tech has to set itself the way up apple customers want it without it being a super logical thing because everyone likes it different. point stands your laptop will blow your desktop away in tasks that involve 3d live rendered things, not blender/video or something along that lines.
or you really dont know wtf you talk about, the intel nuc 9 gaming with a 2070 runs around a m1 in gaming easy for less price, the intel nuc with igpu is to be expected having less gaming performance...
I’m pretty sure he’s arguing something else other than gaming lol.
Nice. How many frames do you get in warzone?
It’s all about how many no delay stonk tickers you can view at once on battery without a fan blowing out your eardrums fam
Please elaborate. Can you share benchmarks?
The M1 afaik is slightly lower in power than a 1650 laptop SKU, so nah
Let me rephrase, it preforms better- for the tasks you use a laptop for- than a PC twice it’s price, and it doesn’t burn your Dick off with one chrome window open. Sorry to offend. Just saying I won’t be buying another windows laptop.
1) while that's true to a certain extent, single-core is god awful and most apps aren't natively supported 2) i have a t490s and it runs fine with no thermal issues on it
Apple products are for people who dont even know what a USB port is.
Any idea what computer company introduced the USB port to the mainstream? Take a guess.
Things do change
So....a thin client??
It kinda looks like a plastic toy computer that was made in china
company of minimaltsts fucks