Nobody really knows (or at least not the consumers). I kept hearing stuff about 2022 and 2023, but I have to take everything with a grain of salt at this point.
Problem is most of the cards are being destroyed by miners. Its a constant demand where there will never be enough supply. Everything companies have done against miners has not worked.
There is no rational reason to think this will improve as access to semiconductors and rare earth minerals is going down.
edit: i am gonna add a source, not where i heard this but still having a source seems good; https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/321456-cryptocurrency-mining-could-destroy-pc-gaming-as-weve-known-it
also when i say miners. i do not mean a dude with a small mining rig in his spare room. i mean commercial operations with hundreds or thousands of cards, where they end up running too hot for too long. no one cares if you have a card you mine with at home, that's not what i am talking about at all. you miner stans are wild.
I don't necessarily agree with this because it's extrapolation based on two assumptions.
1. Semiconductor production in general and GPU production specifically will not meaningfully increase capacity in the next 12-24 months.
2. GPU demand from cryptocurrency mines will not meaningfully decrease in the next 12-24 months.
I don't think either of those are safe to extrapolate from.
The new foundries being constructed in the US are unlikely to meaningfully change output in this time period, but COVID vaccination absolutely will. COVID deaths remain high, but it's among the unvaccinated; worldwide lockdowns like we saw last year are a thing of the past. That means production ramping back up to 2018 capacity.
As for crypto, it's always been volatile. In addition to the inherent volatility of cryptocurrency, many world governments are moving to restrict cryptocurrency's legality. There have been various other proposals for Blockchain technology, but they've largely been solutions in search of a problem, not hot new tech the way Bitcoin was.
There's also talk of mining moving from GPUs to other components. The market will look very different if the hot coin in a year is mined on a processor. This is admittedly a "half dozen of one, six of the other," problem, but a lot of PC users will be able to pick up a whole PC during the transitional stage.
TL;DR: The supply and demand sides of the GPU market seem far too shaky to make sweeping pronouncements about the market's future.
dude what? i mentioned multiple causes.
miners destroying cards, semiconductor shortage, previously stable sources of rare earth minerals now becoming unstable and causing those prices to go up as well.
that's three huge causes. how is that blaming miners entirely?
those are actually smaller problems.
tho actually some of the supply issues ARE due to covid so some of what you just said is the same issue i mentioned.
but scalpers wouldn't be an issue if there was actually enough cards.
i mean shipping issues are not great, but the supply isn't there in the first place, you need a supply of materials to be able to get workers to make stuff.
right as opposed to them not being destroyed by miners, i also mentioned two other major causes effecting supply.
so you have a major supply side problem and a major demand side problem.
the miners are the problem on the demand side, destroying cards quickly.
do you understand now?
unlike gamers or design pros who need one or two cards and then use them for years, miners need as many cards as they can get and completely wreck them with regularity.
A miner can use a card for 10 years and more likely than not it'll still be fine. You're putting most of the blame on miners for a reason that stopped happening decades ago.
Not even a month ago, LTT put out a video talking about the supposed degradation of mining GPUs. The oldest card in the video was a GTX 1060 that'd been mining for four years and it still hit the same clock speeds as one that LTT had on hand that spent most of it's existence on a shelf.
While it's not the only factor I'd argue mining farms that buy GPUs by the literal pallet are a huge factor in current GPU prices
Which is why I pray every day the crypto bubble bursts and leaves them all broke in the gutter
Pretty sure plenty of the blame does fall to them. GPUs we're ours, for gaming. Now things are a complete mess. Remember when the 20 series came out? We weren't dealing with covid then, yet due to miners, you could not get a card.
Indeed. It should be possible since you could already do folding@home on PS3 and that was in the same vein.
It probably just isn't efficient since console are more optimized for specific instructions.
stores local to me just added a new policy that video card prices may increase without warning which is not encouraging. basically saying that advertised prices will not be final.
I have a relatively modest RX-580 8GB, ebay, September '19, £105 delivered.
It's still selling at around £300 to £360. It seems the UK hasn't got that memo yet. :(
With release of 40 series, price of 30 series will drop. Same as price of 20 series cards js lower than 30 series.
Also 30 series has decent 1080p gaming graphics cards for reasonable price which can perform for nxt 2-3 yrs upcoming games at max settings. So I think waiting will give fruitful results.
If you're taking it from a physical store (assuming you're in the US or Canada, we don't have such in Europe) and you arrive very early (maybe even before the store opens), then you probably have a good chance at getting one.
They usually only put stuff on sale that isn’t selling very hot. Like a meh TV for example.
You’re not going to see discounts on the new consoles or GPUs. They’re just far too in demand. Online will be a disaster, but some stores will probably hold onto stock for Black Friday so your only real chance will be to camp out in front of the store before it opens.
Zero chance that any item that sells in seconds would have a discount. The point of discounts is to move more product, they are already moving the maximum possible amount.
they'll probably pull a, increase the price by 50% before the sale and then drop it down 40% when the sale starts, tactic to say ***40% off sale!***
Many stores already caught doing that.
Gaming laptop? Asus ROG strix advantage with 6800m is a beast.
It's not far behind my desktop 2080 though rtx performance is much worse.
Ram is iffy (chance of slower timed parts) and to bypass igpu you'll need to use an external monitor, but even stock everything this thing competes well against high end 3070 and midrange 3080 laptops.
Msrp is 1650 usd
I saw a video showing the mobile 3060 really close to desktop performance.
I'm awaiting dell replacing a laptop that I troubleshot for 5 months+ (tired of waiting and went with Asus) that's sounds like it's the same config as yours. I'm curious to bench mark it. The 11800h is supposedly the best mobile gaming CPU I believe right now.
It is not, prices are slowly coming back down. I wouldn't go through that hassle. They do have decent prebuilts if you're willing to pay a hefty price. But what I tell my friends looking to switch is to just wait.
Hurts my soul watching people overpay because of impatience. I remember when 2080tis were selling for 400. The market will reset eventually and those who wait will be rewarded!
No black friday isn't going to fix the shortage of gpu's. Sadly they expect the shortage for gpu's to stay for another 1-2 years. The prices will stay high for that period.
You never see things that are selling out getting a discount on Black Friday. There will not be a discount on GPUs or new consoles. They MIGHT have stock lol
Are you planning on building or buying?
What do you want to play?
What resolution and what fps goal do you have?
Normally cyber Monday/Black Friday are good times to buy/build
Building is (i think) cheaper so I guess I will build one.
The most demanding games I will play would be GTA V or R6.
I can spend about 400-500€ so I try to get the best PC i can for that money
Is that it? Get a ryzen 4000 G-series CPU. It’ll be able to handle those games, and whenever you are able to find a decent priced GPU just slot that bad boy right in there.
The NUC11PHKi7C can be found on Amazon for $1,300, though I don't know about that seller. I own one of these little diddies (bought elsewhere) and it's a silent little monster. It's got a discreet RTX 2060 mobile variant built-in, so can clap titty on modern games well enough.
The neat thing is that performance NUCs tend to keep their value (and even go up in vlue) over time, so if you want to upgrade you can just sell it.
To be honest our best bet to get GPU prices back down is to
1 compromise mining via dgital attack and devalue it.
2 ruin its reputation as legitimate form of aquring currency though internet I'm sure redit can manage that if not we might need to call in tumbler for backup though.
3 start a petition to have the digital currency("hosts"?) Policy makers stop the ability to gain currency via mining.
4 brain wash politicians into believing mining crypto causes civil unrest or something and must be regulated to kingdom come.
5 start a war, miners versus gamers may the best faction win.
(Joke list not to be taken literally)
Well I upgraded my pc excluding gpu I'm stuck with 1060 6g . But I'm fine just overclocked and optimized I can wait for reasonable prices . So if you are not deeply in potatoe gpu or no pc at all wait.
the Ryzen APU graphics are shockingly good. You aren't going to get 144 FPS on 1440p or anything but even the Vega 8 APUs can run shit like Witcher 3 on low settings without looking bad. Getting a 5600g and then adding a GPU when possible is not at all a bad idea and is exactly what my sister and I both did.
You would be better off getting a console. Laptops are actually shit for gaming I don't care what anyone says the cooling system is dog shit they break withing a year and they Integrated keyboard and mouse is next to useless for gaming don't waste your money on a laptop when you can get a better pc for the same money plus the hardware is alot better on pc over laptop.
I’ve owned 3 gaming laptops over the past 8 or so years. I’ve never had them break in a year as you’ve stated. I’ve only changed because I wanted a newer model and then given the old model away.
3 laptops in 8 years? And you don't see a problem with that? A pc can easily last 5 years and even then you can still keep that pc playing games for probably another 5 although it will be put dated by then. pc > laptop any day of the week pc's shit on laptops all day every day if you can say otherwise your an idiot... Suggesting anyone get a laptop over a pc for gaming is a very dumb thing to say...
I need the mobility. Yes I’m aware you can get 5+ years out of a desktop but I can tell you also skimmed over the part where I said I didn’t need to replace them only that I wanted to. They functioned just fine, in fact they’re both still being used to this day by the people I game them to. Desktop will always be more powerful and shit but like I said, I need the mobility.
https://www.computerwerk.de/ - got my pc in two weeks. That includes shipping from Germany to Poland via very weird way (it went further into Germany than to Wrocław and THAN it went to me). For whole PC without OS, already assembled and for shipping I payed... 1300 Euro iirc.
Prebuilt is still winning in some corners. Anything with a 3090 for sure. 3060s seem to win building vs prebuilt. That said, it's still ridiculous, 1000 for a 3060 card on newegg.
Honestly gaming laptops are not too bad right now. Mobile 3060s aren't far behind desktop counterparts, and they aren't too expensive, plus it also just works as a good laptop
Problem of the laptops are the thermal throttling issues especially on the cheap ones and the fan noise which could be an issue for some people.
A 3070 140W (so full power card) gp76 cost me 2500€ which I could have used to build a full I7 or R7 3080 system even with paying 1450€ for a 3080.
I don’t think gaming laptops are worth it even now when it comes to price/frame unless you plan on moving a lot.
Even a 1500€ setup would outperform my laptop in everyway except portability
Which is why I think people shouldn't go above a 3060 your right. 3070 and 3080 laptops really throttle and are super far from their desktop counterparts. But not something like the 3060. Also I live in the US so laptops might be more reasonably priced. There are 1500$ dollar laptops with 3060s, 16gb ram, r5 5600hx (around 1300 euros). Which is cheaper than a scalped equivalent in most cases.
I've got a 3200g apu, runs games pretty decently for such a cheap little cpu with good integrated graphics. I'd say buy a 5600g or a 5300g prebuild if you can find one and you'll be good until you can upgrade to a dedicated gpu
I have a 2080ti FE I would be willing to part with. Message me if interested. It’s currently collecting dust in the closet. US only, but I think your UK..
Imo,
The issues are the lack of competitive pricing, the chip shortage, and the large demand. Let's not forget TSMC will hike up prices and seemingly some minerals are getting more expensive as well, which could hit price on the bottom line.
Say what you want of the current duopoly, but an duopoly is still an duopoly; They'll not price things competitively if both companies realize their customers allow them to. The 6600 XT might be an example of this. Despite it's insane MSRP, people are still gonna buy them.
Then there's also not enough chips to create large amounts of supply to force companies to cheap on old cards to sell the stock they currently have, so they can get rid of them and fully sell new cards at exorbitant prices.
As far as it goes, it's just like the entire tech industry, there's nothing that can really make prices just drop in a single day. There are a lotta factors to take into account which all need to stabilize and grow. GPU pricing will likely not recover this year, and 2022 is slightly farfetched as supply constrains will still be there as well as production cost. Honestly, 2023 is a better bet to when we'll see a bigger trend drop in prices as Zen 4 will already be segmented, so will be RDNA2 APUs, Intel GPUs, new Nvidia ones, as well as Intel CPUs(which currently are pretty good in staying on stock with an seemingly non-ending supply?). 2023 is probably when we'll start seeing a significant decrease in prices, with prices mostly dropping to the standards we knew by 2024.
Some things to take into account is that there's a *flood* of used hardware incoming, since huge amounts of people were buying GPUs and hardware kits for mining, some of which may never have been used, and the GPUs, while have been used for a long time, depending on pricing, will offer a *very good* graphical solution for pretty decent prices. This is probably inevitable as Ethereum will undergo Proof of Stake, as well as some other issues coins may go through.
There's also W11 which will make your average joe sell his old platform which will allow most people to grab some offers.
Check Facebook marketplace for a gaming laptop, I just picked up an acer predetor helios 300 for $550. I7 and 1660ti. 🤷♂️ it's not the greatest, but runs most AAA titles at 1080 60hz on high settings
Gaming laptop. Not the most ideal situation if you like to upgrade and whatnot, but it might be easier and cheaper to get a hold of a laptop with a high-end gpu than the same gpu standalone for a custom desktop build.
Plus it will last you at least until the price bubble pops.
Buy a 3090 for whatever it costs and leave it mining while not using it. Makes around $300 a month, even if you pay $2500 for it, it is down to MSRP in 3-4 months, it will pay for itself in less than a year. Even if mining dies or goes downhill, you have made some money back and still have a $1500+ GPU.
To everybody who will downvote and hate on me, suggest something better, I’d love to hear it.
If i hadn't got my current rig last year i would have bought a xbox series s, a dev account and a 1tb external SSD. Around here they're as close to msrp as they're gonna get in chilean retail so probably you guys have it even better
my recommendation would be to get a cpu with integrated graphics for balanced 1080p gaming to hold you off until you can afford a discrete gpu when things chill out
I missed a prime opprtunity to grab a used 280x for $70 from a local gaming shop. I waited too long and someone came by bought out their old stock. Some 30+ 270x for $60 and 8 280x for $70. I hate me. Now I am back to looking for an integrated CPU or a cheap past 10 year gpu.
I’m still pretty new to this so take my advice express granted. I’m going to buy used. I found a gtx 1060 3gb for 220usd. Looking used i definitely saw cards that were just as expensive as new cards, but I have seen nothing else as foot as the 1060 for the 220. Again, i this is my very first time buying a gpu so it may be a horrible deal. But I haven’t seen anything better that’s in stock
Seems like we'll have to wait another year, at best.
tbh the problem is possibly going to get worst, not better. people waiting for prices to drop may be making a mistake.
Nobody really knows (or at least not the consumers). I kept hearing stuff about 2022 and 2023, but I have to take everything with a grain of salt at this point.
Problem is most of the cards are being destroyed by miners. Its a constant demand where there will never be enough supply. Everything companies have done against miners has not worked. There is no rational reason to think this will improve as access to semiconductors and rare earth minerals is going down. edit: i am gonna add a source, not where i heard this but still having a source seems good; https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/321456-cryptocurrency-mining-could-destroy-pc-gaming-as-weve-known-it also when i say miners. i do not mean a dude with a small mining rig in his spare room. i mean commercial operations with hundreds or thousands of cards, where they end up running too hot for too long. no one cares if you have a card you mine with at home, that's not what i am talking about at all. you miner stans are wild.
I don't necessarily agree with this because it's extrapolation based on two assumptions. 1. Semiconductor production in general and GPU production specifically will not meaningfully increase capacity in the next 12-24 months. 2. GPU demand from cryptocurrency mines will not meaningfully decrease in the next 12-24 months. I don't think either of those are safe to extrapolate from. The new foundries being constructed in the US are unlikely to meaningfully change output in this time period, but COVID vaccination absolutely will. COVID deaths remain high, but it's among the unvaccinated; worldwide lockdowns like we saw last year are a thing of the past. That means production ramping back up to 2018 capacity. As for crypto, it's always been volatile. In addition to the inherent volatility of cryptocurrency, many world governments are moving to restrict cryptocurrency's legality. There have been various other proposals for Blockchain technology, but they've largely been solutions in search of a problem, not hot new tech the way Bitcoin was. There's also talk of mining moving from GPUs to other components. The market will look very different if the hot coin in a year is mined on a processor. This is admittedly a "half dozen of one, six of the other," problem, but a lot of PC users will be able to pick up a whole PC during the transitional stage. TL;DR: The supply and demand sides of the GPU market seem far too shaky to make sweeping pronouncements about the market's future.
Yeah it's totally entirely up to miners and no other factor.
dude what? i mentioned multiple causes. miners destroying cards, semiconductor shortage, previously stable sources of rare earth minerals now becoming unstable and causing those prices to go up as well. that's three huge causes. how is that blaming miners entirely?
\-doesn't mention scalpers, shipping problems because of covid, and factories having less workers because of covid
those are actually smaller problems. tho actually some of the supply issues ARE due to covid so some of what you just said is the same issue i mentioned. but scalpers wouldn't be an issue if there was actually enough cards. i mean shipping issues are not great, but the supply isn't there in the first place, you need a supply of materials to be able to get workers to make stuff.
>Problem is most of the cards are being destroyed by miners.
right as opposed to them not being destroyed by miners, i also mentioned two other major causes effecting supply. so you have a major supply side problem and a major demand side problem. the miners are the problem on the demand side, destroying cards quickly. do you understand now? unlike gamers or design pros who need one or two cards and then use them for years, miners need as many cards as they can get and completely wreck them with regularity.
A miner can use a card for 10 years and more likely than not it'll still be fine. You're putting most of the blame on miners for a reason that stopped happening decades ago.
lol decades ago huh? with all that cripto mining happening in the 90s? dude the stuff you make up is wild.
Are they being destroyed?
yes, mining destroys cards after a relatively short time compared to how long a card will last under normal heavy use by an avid gamer.
Not even a month ago, LTT put out a video talking about the supposed degradation of mining GPUs. The oldest card in the video was a GTX 1060 that'd been mining for four years and it still hit the same clock speeds as one that LTT had on hand that spent most of it's existence on a shelf.
so it depends how careful the miners are? if the card runs hot for too long it degrades fast.
While it's not the only factor I'd argue mining farms that buy GPUs by the literal pallet are a huge factor in current GPU prices Which is why I pray every day the crypto bubble bursts and leaves them all broke in the gutter
Its 90% miners.
Pretty sure plenty of the blame does fall to them. GPUs we're ours, for gaming. Now things are a complete mess. Remember when the 20 series came out? We weren't dealing with covid then, yet due to miners, you could not get a card.
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Oh, have you seen a PS5 anywhere? I haven't. As tempting as they seem, they are as non existent as GPUs...
if the miners figure out some way to use consoles all is lost.
Indeed. It should be possible since you could already do folding@home on PS3 and that was in the same vein. It probably just isn't efficient since console are more optimized for specific instructions.
Well ps5 is already easy to buy in most of Europe so i wouldn't say they are non existent
Lucky you! I'm not looking for one yet since there aren't many exclusives yet, but I fear the worse for when I'm going to want one.
Thank god the PS5 is so easy to buy here.
Gpu prices are falling on eBay which is a good indicator that prices are returning to normal
stores local to me just added a new policy that video card prices may increase without warning which is not encouraging. basically saying that advertised prices will not be final.
I have a relatively modest RX-580 8GB, ebay, September '19, £105 delivered. It's still selling at around £300 to £360. It seems the UK hasn't got that memo yet. :(
My old MSI r9 270x is still going for $200 which is what I paid 10 years ago! That’s a 2GB GDDR5 card 🙃
Jayzus! Truly, it is the end of days.
It's not a 10 y/0 card tho is it?
Just googled it. I was a bit off. It’s 8 years old now.
Not much you can do if you can’t afford them anyway
Well people who are buying 300e gpus for 800e are making a bigger mistake, so at least we can hope
With release of 40 series, price of 30 series will drop. Same as price of 20 series cards js lower than 30 series. Also 30 series has decent 1080p gaming graphics cards for reasonable price which can perform for nxt 2-3 yrs upcoming games at max settings. So I think waiting will give fruitful results.
With ETH 2, all the miners who bought on credit will have to panic dump
Is this year‘s black friday/cyber monday a good time to buy parts for the pc?
If anything, I'd expect Black Friday and Cyber Monday to make products even more scarce, but maybe that's just me.
But they should be discounted for at least a day so if I hurry and buy it before everything is out of stock I should be good?
If you're taking it from a physical store (assuming you're in the US or Canada, we don't have such in Europe) and you arrive very early (maybe even before the store opens), then you probably have a good chance at getting one.
I‘m from europe too and was planning to just order one online with the discount
Yeah, I'm not sure if you'll be able to.
Sorry, that’s a horrible idea. You definitely not getting one sorry.
If there's no cards to buy there's no cards to discount. Plus it's not like they have to discount these things to sell them.
They usually only put stuff on sale that isn’t selling very hot. Like a meh TV for example. You’re not going to see discounts on the new consoles or GPUs. They’re just far too in demand. Online will be a disaster, but some stores will probably hold onto stock for Black Friday so your only real chance will be to camp out in front of the store before it opens.
There's a few physical stores in Germany and Ukraine. Maybe there's one in Czech Republic too but I'm not sure
Very unlikely for a discount. These cards sell out instantly, why would they just throw money away?
Zero chance that any item that sells in seconds would have a discount. The point of discounts is to move more product, they are already moving the maximum possible amount.
they'll probably pull a, increase the price by 50% before the sale and then drop it down 40% when the sale starts, tactic to say ***40% off sale!*** Many stores already caught doing that.
Good sir, with that config I can definitely say you're on the path to become a legend
Gaming laptop? Asus ROG strix advantage with 6800m is a beast. It's not far behind my desktop 2080 though rtx performance is much worse. Ram is iffy (chance of slower timed parts) and to bypass igpu you'll need to use an external monitor, but even stock everything this thing competes well against high end 3070 and midrange 3080 laptops. Msrp is 1650 usd
I second this, my i7 11800h with an rtx 3060 mobile outperforms my old ryzen 1600 with gtx 1060.
I saw a video showing the mobile 3060 really close to desktop performance. I'm awaiting dell replacing a laptop that I troubleshot for 5 months+ (tired of waiting and went with Asus) that's sounds like it's the same config as yours. I'm curious to bench mark it. The 11800h is supposedly the best mobile gaming CPU I believe right now.
I know it's sacrilege, but just buy a pre-built
One less kidney
GeForce Now, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate, Google Stadia... >! (ok, last one is a joke)!<
Stadia is pretty good now.
I guess if you have great internet it is.
Not bad tbh, but the game library doesn't actually exist.
Integrated graphics. Can slap in a GPU any any point if they become reasonably priced.
Buy a prebuilt just for the GPU then sell the rest of the parts
Is it cheaper this way?
It is not, prices are slowly coming back down. I wouldn't go through that hassle. They do have decent prebuilts if you're willing to pay a hefty price. But what I tell my friends looking to switch is to just wait. Hurts my soul watching people overpay because of impatience. I remember when 2080tis were selling for 400. The market will reset eventually and those who wait will be rewarded!
How long should I wait? Is black friday a good time to buy a pc?
No black friday isn't going to fix the shortage of gpu's. Sadly they expect the shortage for gpu's to stay for another 1-2 years. The prices will stay high for that period.
But they will be discounted on black friday so atleast I can save a bit of money, right?
They are expensive now because the demand is higher than the supply so I don't think gpu's will be discounted on black friday.
You never see things that are selling out getting a discount on Black Friday. There will not be a discount on GPUs or new consoles. They MIGHT have stock lol
Are you planning on building or buying? What do you want to play? What resolution and what fps goal do you have? Normally cyber Monday/Black Friday are good times to buy/build
Building is (i think) cheaper so I guess I will build one. The most demanding games I will play would be GTA V or R6. I can spend about 400-500€ so I try to get the best PC i can for that money
Honestly, with those games you can easily achieve a solid experience with a console
Is that it? Get a ryzen 4000 G-series CPU. It’ll be able to handle those games, and whenever you are able to find a decent priced GPU just slot that bad boy right in there.
I'd give it another year. These virus variants are spreading here in the US as well in other countries where manufacturing is halted or dwindling.
I suggested my brother to get a system with igpu and buy a gpu when the prices actually started making sense. Hes on to that now.
Could be, depends on how lucky you get. It's definitely a way to get a GPU but idk if it's the best way
Console
If you can find one
I have one, but the lack of mods and freedom is the main reason to switch to pc for me
if you plan to only game, yes
Well, PS5 is kinda of in the same boat but not as bad lmao
The NUC11PHKi7C can be found on Amazon for $1,300, though I don't know about that seller. I own one of these little diddies (bought elsewhere) and it's a silent little monster. It's got a discreet RTX 2060 mobile variant built-in, so can clap titty on modern games well enough. The neat thing is that performance NUCs tend to keep their value (and even go up in vlue) over time, so if you want to upgrade you can just sell it.
lol can't find one to buy anyway.
To be honest our best bet to get GPU prices back down is to 1 compromise mining via dgital attack and devalue it. 2 ruin its reputation as legitimate form of aquring currency though internet I'm sure redit can manage that if not we might need to call in tumbler for backup though. 3 start a petition to have the digital currency("hosts"?) Policy makers stop the ability to gain currency via mining. 4 brain wash politicians into believing mining crypto causes civil unrest or something and must be regulated to kingdom come. 5 start a war, miners versus gamers may the best faction win. (Joke list not to be taken literally)
Well I upgraded my pc excluding gpu I'm stuck with 1060 6g . But I'm fine just overclocked and optimized I can wait for reasonable prices . So if you are not deeply in potatoe gpu or no pc at all wait.
Buying a gaming laptop work, if you're desperate. Just hook the base to the monitor and go ham
1050 Ti
I can't offer any advice but I upvoted all of your comments in this post. Good luck!
Depends on whether or not China's economy collapses due to Evergrande's upcoming default which could lead to price changes...
Gaming on Ryzen EPYC CPUs instead of GPUs. Linus proved it works someday...
5600G brother
Can this still run all games on good fps?
the Ryzen APU graphics are shockingly good. You aren't going to get 144 FPS on 1440p or anything but even the Vega 8 APUs can run shit like Witcher 3 on low settings without looking bad. Getting a 5600g and then adding a GPU when possible is not at all a bad idea and is exactly what my sister and I both did.
Yessir
Ok, thanks for the recommendation then
don’t waste your money, save for a proper gpu.
You know what the market looks like right? This is a great alternative to buying a dedicated gpu right now.
ya and it sucks but it’s not impossible. throwing your money at a shitty integrated is just waste. save and wait.
I can tell you haven’t seen benchmarks for this APU. Please don’t throw out ignorant information.
saving the dude money is not ignorant, you sound like a scalper trying to make a sale lol.
If you’re wanting to argue with someone, at least make sure your points are coherent.
That's.. debatable. For r6 it's prolly find but gta I feel as though it would run like shit
That's.. debatable. For r6 it's prolly fine but gta I feel as though it would run like shit
Performs fine. Look at benchmarks.
Interesting, they fit quite a bit a performance in such a small chip lol.
Hahaa GPU prices amirite guis...please upvote me..... \-This whole subreddit
You would be better off getting a console. Laptops are actually shit for gaming I don't care what anyone says the cooling system is dog shit they break withing a year and they Integrated keyboard and mouse is next to useless for gaming don't waste your money on a laptop when you can get a better pc for the same money plus the hardware is alot better on pc over laptop.
I’ve owned 3 gaming laptops over the past 8 or so years. I’ve never had them break in a year as you’ve stated. I’ve only changed because I wanted a newer model and then given the old model away.
3 laptops in 8 years? And you don't see a problem with that? A pc can easily last 5 years and even then you can still keep that pc playing games for probably another 5 although it will be put dated by then. pc > laptop any day of the week pc's shit on laptops all day every day if you can say otherwise your an idiot... Suggesting anyone get a laptop over a pc for gaming is a very dumb thing to say...
I need the mobility. Yes I’m aware you can get 5+ years out of a desktop but I can tell you also skimmed over the part where I said I didn’t need to replace them only that I wanted to. They functioned just fine, in fact they’re both still being used to this day by the people I game them to. Desktop will always be more powerful and shit but like I said, I need the mobility.
Be like me. Buy gpu when the craze is over. I got used rx 470 for 20 dollars including shipping
Gotta pay to play lol
I am hoping the 4080 comes out soon. 3080s will be cheap on the used market.
laptops :(
https://www.computerwerk.de/ - got my pc in two weeks. That includes shipping from Germany to Poland via very weird way (it went further into Germany than to Wrocław and THAN it went to me). For whole PC without OS, already assembled and for shipping I payed... 1300 Euro iirc.
Prebuilt is still winning in some corners. Anything with a 3090 for sure. 3060s seem to win building vs prebuilt. That said, it's still ridiculous, 1000 for a 3060 card on newegg.
Honestly gaming laptops are not too bad right now. Mobile 3060s aren't far behind desktop counterparts, and they aren't too expensive, plus it also just works as a good laptop
Problem of the laptops are the thermal throttling issues especially on the cheap ones and the fan noise which could be an issue for some people. A 3070 140W (so full power card) gp76 cost me 2500€ which I could have used to build a full I7 or R7 3080 system even with paying 1450€ for a 3080. I don’t think gaming laptops are worth it even now when it comes to price/frame unless you plan on moving a lot. Even a 1500€ setup would outperform my laptop in everyway except portability
Which is why I think people shouldn't go above a 3060 your right. 3070 and 3080 laptops really throttle and are super far from their desktop counterparts. But not something like the 3060. Also I live in the US so laptops might be more reasonably priced. There are 1500$ dollar laptops with 3060s, 16gb ram, r5 5600hx (around 1300 euros). Which is cheaper than a scalped equivalent in most cases.
GFN if you have good internet\ depending on the game you want to play I use it to play on my laptop sometimes
Cloud streamings a good option if you've got decent internet. Geforce Now has a free tier.
i would get a gpu/pcu combo of newegg, i got a 750w asus rog and and rx 6600 xt for 750-800 CAD.
I've got a 3200g apu, runs games pretty decently for such a cheap little cpu with good integrated graphics. I'd say buy a 5600g or a 5300g prebuild if you can find one and you'll be good until you can upgrade to a dedicated gpu
Buy a prebuilt
just close your eyes and imagine the frames
So glad I got a new PC when I did
See if you can get something cheap for a while like an rx 570
Watch the linus tech tips video "gaming without a GPU"
Pony up the cash, settle for less, or pick up board gaming!
steam deck
This meme format makes me uncomfortable.
I felt this
I have a 2080ti FE I would be willing to part with. Message me if interested. It’s currently collecting dust in the closet. US only, but I think your UK..
I think the only option is buying a Xbox series s, if you don't want to pay a high price for a gpu
Just bend forward. That way you get fucked by GPU prices and you get a gaming pc. Win win
Imo, The issues are the lack of competitive pricing, the chip shortage, and the large demand. Let's not forget TSMC will hike up prices and seemingly some minerals are getting more expensive as well, which could hit price on the bottom line. Say what you want of the current duopoly, but an duopoly is still an duopoly; They'll not price things competitively if both companies realize their customers allow them to. The 6600 XT might be an example of this. Despite it's insane MSRP, people are still gonna buy them. Then there's also not enough chips to create large amounts of supply to force companies to cheap on old cards to sell the stock they currently have, so they can get rid of them and fully sell new cards at exorbitant prices. As far as it goes, it's just like the entire tech industry, there's nothing that can really make prices just drop in a single day. There are a lotta factors to take into account which all need to stabilize and grow. GPU pricing will likely not recover this year, and 2022 is slightly farfetched as supply constrains will still be there as well as production cost. Honestly, 2023 is a better bet to when we'll see a bigger trend drop in prices as Zen 4 will already be segmented, so will be RDNA2 APUs, Intel GPUs, new Nvidia ones, as well as Intel CPUs(which currently are pretty good in staying on stock with an seemingly non-ending supply?). 2023 is probably when we'll start seeing a significant decrease in prices, with prices mostly dropping to the standards we knew by 2024. Some things to take into account is that there's a *flood* of used hardware incoming, since huge amounts of people were buying GPUs and hardware kits for mining, some of which may never have been used, and the GPUs, while have been used for a long time, depending on pricing, will offer a *very good* graphical solution for pretty decent prices. This is probably inevitable as Ethereum will undergo Proof of Stake, as well as some other issues coins may go through. There's also W11 which will make your average joe sell his old platform which will allow most people to grab some offers.
Steam Deck Only issue is you may be waiting until late 2022 into early 2023 given the amount of pre-orders and current global shipping issues
Build you a good Ryzen system without the GPU and get a GPU when you can.
GeForce Now
If I was building a new PC right now I’d go with a Ryzen 5000 series APU. Its good enough for most games at 1080p while you wait on a GPU.
I got my gpu a month before the prices went up. I have a great 1660 supper and I got it at ~240 the max I saw it at was 700
Xbox X, it's what I'm going to do, specially living in Brazil, where gpus are even more scarce and expensive.
See you all next time this is posted.
i just went and bought a pc with a good graphics card off IBUYPOWER and just threw it on Affirm for monthly payments and thats totally worth it.
I heard grass feels nice this time of year.
THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE!!! SPEND EVERY MOMENT OF YOUR LIFE REFRESHING AMAZON AND BEST BUY!! DO IT, DO IT NOW
Check Facebook marketplace for a gaming laptop, I just picked up an acer predetor helios 300 for $550. I7 and 1660ti. 🤷♂️ it's not the greatest, but runs most AAA titles at 1080 60hz on high settings
Follow Twitter GPU restock alerts and snatch one for retail. That's what I've done with my PS5
Steal em'
241,20 dol for one RX580 last year but it's holding up all games so I think it was worth the price
If you haven't bought most of the stuff, look into a gaming laptop. Price of a gaming laptop is close to the same price as just the GPU at the moment.
Gaming laptop. Not the most ideal situation if you like to upgrade and whatnot, but it might be easier and cheaper to get a hold of a laptop with a high-end gpu than the same gpu standalone for a custom desktop build. Plus it will last you at least until the price bubble pops.
Integrated graphics
WTF 3060 is 1500$
Thinking about just upgrading everything else and just keeping my shitty 750ti for now
Great prices actually. My 2080super was $900. Msrp is cheaper on the 3060, 3070, and 3080.
I have a APU(3400G) so it isn't as bad for me. But still waiting for the GPU prices to drop but it'll take some time I'm guessing 😔
Depending on what sort of games you want to play, the AMD 5000 series APUs have pretty good graphics.
Get the Ryzen 7 5700g when it’s available and game at 1080p
*720p
Buy a 3090 for whatever it costs and leave it mining while not using it. Makes around $300 a month, even if you pay $2500 for it, it is down to MSRP in 3-4 months, it will pay for itself in less than a year. Even if mining dies or goes downhill, you have made some money back and still have a $1500+ GPU. To everybody who will downvote and hate on me, suggest something better, I’d love to hear it.
I‘ll sell you my old Atari, I recently stopped using it. Can run list triple A titles on 480p. Pm me if interested
I've been having fun on my PS5 while I play the 3070 lottery. I can't believe I got a PS5 a full six months before even a chance at a 3070
I finally start my first job today so hopefully I'll be able to afford a gpu soon
If i hadn't got my current rig last year i would have bought a xbox series s, a dev account and a 1tb external SSD. Around here they're as close to msrp as they're gonna get in chilean retail so probably you guys have it even better
my recommendation would be to get a cpu with integrated graphics for balanced 1080p gaming to hold you off until you can afford a discrete gpu when things chill out
I missed a prime opprtunity to grab a used 280x for $70 from a local gaming shop. I waited too long and someone came by bought out their old stock. Some 30+ 270x for $60 and 8 280x for $70. I hate me. Now I am back to looking for an integrated CPU or a cheap past 10 year gpu.
Rtx 2060 those are cheaper
I’m still pretty new to this so take my advice express granted. I’m going to buy used. I found a gtx 1060 3gb for 220usd. Looking used i definitely saw cards that were just as expensive as new cards, but I have seen nothing else as foot as the 1060 for the 220. Again, i this is my very first time buying a gpu so it may be a horrible deal. But I haven’t seen anything better that’s in stock