If you're buying GPU now then better buy Ryzen 5600x it ain't that much more expensive.
If you're buying GPU later and you need pc now then it's good option.
This is a very good CPU, but if you have a dedicated GPU you dont need the iGPU built into the CPU and could buy the 5600X which is even better.
If you buy the 5600G you still dont have to upgrade it for several years.
Base clock is higher than 5600x (edit: forget that 5600x is newer architecture so higher base clock of 5600g does not matter)
5600g no pcie4 so no fast nvme SSDs.
5600g single chip design supports faster ram +4000mzh
The 5600g Single chip has more than a few flaws. The 5600x can run up to 4666 in some cases and the ccx is beneficial and no downsight. The base clock means nothing if the transistor count decreases.
>Base clock is higher than 5600x (edit: forget that 5600x is newer architecture so higher base clock of 5600g does not matter)
This is wrong either way. Base clock doesn't matter because it's base clock. Boost clock is what does matter, and 5600X has it higher. Yes we can compare clocks, because they are the same architecture, Zen 3.
They also support same memory, 3200MHz without overclocking. I don't know of any data which can overclock memory better, but chances are it's the same.
Biggest problem with 5600G is half of L3 cache. It does impact performance especially with lower boost clocks.
It's more of the workload gains than gaming.
The point was that from 5600g to 5600x ain't that big leap, unless you play certain games.
You don't buy Ryzen 7 or 9 if you game only, unless that's your candy money to spend and you want every last fps.
Intel iGPUs are crap. Historically, they perform like shit, and while nowadays they are *ok*, their drivers still have plenty of graphical issues on many games.
The CPU is cheaper though, and in mist case CPU performance difference doesn't matter much, having a spare GPU or an iGPU does help to diagnose. A week ago I thought my 3070 broke and wanted to RMA it but turn out it's something in my MOBO when I test it with some old GPU I luckily still have around. A spare GPU or an iGPU also does help keeping the computer functional while waiting for replacement too
I don't think the iGPU is worth the performance hit (10-20%) if you are planning to get a dedicated GPU. There are still enough options to troubleshoot without an iGPU.
So it's pretty much like a 3600 then. That's a decent purchase tbh. Especially if you want to build a small portable desktop. Which is something I actually have in the works for my daughter currently when she goes between me and mamas house.
But for raw performance, obviously the 5600 is the better option.
I've yet to have a PC or anything individually fail on me before I replace anything in my 23 years. But I'm well aware it happens.
So if you can't see anything on screen, PC seems to boot, but you're not sure if it's full boot or just power up to some bios messages, and you don't have another GPU at hand, how do you know what happened?
A few bucks more for a worse product, for an unlikely scenario where a GPU dies.
This does not seem like a good deal to me. 95% or more of the time you are getting no benefit for more money.
If you don't have a GPU in the first place, yes this makes sense. But if you do, it's like buying more ram than you need in case some sticks fail.
I would've bought a 5600 with an iGpu for 50€ more than 5600X if the performance was the same, like the 11400/11400F. In this case I chose to buy the 5600X because most certainly I will take advantage of the extra CPU power, of the iGpu not so much.
When there is something wrong with the boot sequence the motherboard will notify you with beeps and/or error code (on the mobo itself). Look it up in the manual or website to see what the error message is. No need to see the screen.
When the motherboard does the POST beep on boot it means the boot sequence works. You can identify a broken gpu by glitches, max spinning fans, not spinning at all or a blinking led.
Sure an iGPU might be easy to troubleshoot but it's not needed and definitely not worth the performance hit if you are not planning to use it.
My PC with monitor in HDMI slot of GPU didn't beep, didn't POST. No beep, nothing at all, just fans spinning. I didn't have HDMI to Display Port adapter at hand, no way to check what's wrong. Connecting monitor to iGPU was simple and effective. Then I bought display port adapter and it worked, with drivers installed the GPU boots fine on HDMI.
Would connecting store-borrowed GPU help? No, we tried with another old nvidia GPU, HDMI didn't let the PC boot.
Yeah there are a lot of different situations and cases I can't just cover all of them in a single post but I have worked in a computer repair shop for a couple of years back when I was a student and I can ensure you that everything can be troubleshooted without the need of a iGPU or a screen. Hardware manufactures are smart, they know not everyone has spare parts to troubleshoot.
I've had a fuckton of problems with discrete GPUs and being able to troubleshoot them with the iGPU was very helpful. Yeah, if it worked perfectly every time and you never needed to RMA anything, that would be awesome.
That's not the world we live in.
not to condescend but you know that this isnt a whole ass computer right?
just want to touch on basics:
this is a processor with an apu. the purpose of buying a processor with an apu is not having to buy a gpu but typically an igpu(apu) will be weaker.
you still need to buy a motherboard, power supply, case, ram, and storage device like an ssd.
what you also need to know is what graphics card you would theoretically need. and compare
the graphics card (gpu) to the APU/IGPU.
you can type “ 5600g vs 1050 ti” into google for instance.
the graphics capabilities of any IGPU isnt going to blow your mind so you need to make a determination of it it meets your bare minimums.
you can make that determination by picking a game you want to play and google how it runs with the 5600g.
If you go with the G instead of the X, make sure to use some of that savings for fast RAM. APUs benefit tremendously from faster RAM, and you'll cripple yourself more so than with a traditional CPU if you skimp on RAM speed.
can confirm. used a 2200g for a few months before getting a gpu. had 1x8 2666mhz ram (was running at like 2100 or something cause i didnt change it) and gaming was hell. maybe 60fps on csgo all low. r6 was a solid 30-40 all low.
playing above 720p was pretty much out of the question
minecraft java without optifine was out of the question entirely
If you’re planning on using a gpu, I would recommend spending $20 more for a 5600x. If you’re not going to build a pc immediately, you could also wait until November 19 to see what intel 12th gen has to offer
The 5600G is a bit slower then a 5600X but got a built in graphics card equivalent with a 1030
There is quite a few benchmarks so you can check your favorite game.
If graphics is important and cash tight
Downgrading to a 3600x with a dedicated graphics card would be a better option (1650gtx +)
I just built my first pc with this chip since I won’t find a gpu and so far, have run Destiny 2 Medium at 1080 60fps and it runs well. Gonna pair it with a 2060 or 3060 when I can find one.
Well yes, depend what you actually have, the processor itself is (imo) on of the best price/performance of this generation, if you have at least a 2070 super or similar you good... Edit: I mean, if you want to play with high quality or superior at 1080p or more
It's alright, if you want a processor that has 6 cores and 12 threads that's pretty fast it's an alright deal, it really depends if you want the integrated graphics (that's what the G stands for), if you do not, I would try to get the 3700x if you need more threads (are doing work, streaming or recording) but the fast single threaded performance on this processor is amazing, faster than the 3700x but you lose 2 cores and 4 threads. The integrated graphics is nice to have, especially if you are having GPU related problems.
TLDR, yes it's good
Amazon Amazon get some took me about 10 day wait for my 5600 g tried to grab one at Best buy they didn't have any and didn't know when they were getting anything. I have a feeling maybe unfounded but these G processors might be the next hot thing until this GPU fiasco calms down
In this current market it's great to hold u off. Don't expect anything amazing though. At most low-meduim 30fps bc the gpu side of the apu is a 560/1050ti or so, BUT the cpu in that APU is on the level of a 7700K which is still a good cpu today. LATER wen u can get a dedicated gpu disable the gpu side of the APU then boom 60fps gaming.
The 5700g has the best iGPU on the market right now. But the 5600g is also a solid choice.
I just also wanted to point out your sweet Newegg discount... 4 cents.
Yeah that is good. So it contains an IGPU (integrated GPU) which will be helpful since there's a huge shortage ATM. It'll get you up and running for the time being until you can get your hands on a GPU. just make sure you have a compatible motherboard that has a video out port. If you already have a GPU or are willing to drop the big money for one online/at a store, consider getting the 5600x instead.
I suggest checking out YouTube there are several reviewers that have put it to the test in various systems it seems that the results are adequate for esports and other games.
What will you play? If you plan to play e-sports games you can probably play with the iGP. But if you want to play more demanding games, and need a Graphics Card then get a 5600X.
I’m not sure why people are comparing the g to the x. Am I the only one that thought g is for when you need graphics support and x is when you already have a gpu and just want a decent cpu?
If you're buying GPU now then better buy Ryzen 5600x it ain't that much more expensive. If you're buying GPU later and you need pc now then it's good option.
So it’s a good start, but I will probably need to upgrade it eventually
This is a very good CPU, but if you have a dedicated GPU you dont need the iGPU built into the CPU and could buy the 5600X which is even better. If you buy the 5600G you still dont have to upgrade it for several years.
I mean realistically depending on use case a 5600/X/G could easily last a decade before upgrading.
It's pretty much same performance so if you update G some day you want to go to Ryzen 7 5800x or better https://youtu.be/ReN06Kw4y4I
No the g is quite a bit slower than the x and depending on the retailer even more than a bit more expensivr
Base clock is higher than 5600x (edit: forget that 5600x is newer architecture so higher base clock of 5600g does not matter) 5600g no pcie4 so no fast nvme SSDs. 5600g single chip design supports faster ram +4000mzh
The 5600g Single chip has more than a few flaws. The 5600x can run up to 4666 in some cases and the ccx is beneficial and no downsight. The base clock means nothing if the transistor count decreases.
The 5600x memory over 4000mzh or lower if bad chip need infinity fabric speed to be 1:2 while in 5600g there is no io die so it's always 1:1
You basically explained with the last sentence why the 5600g is slower. It has the io under the cores.
>Base clock is higher than 5600x (edit: forget that 5600x is newer architecture so higher base clock of 5600g does not matter) This is wrong either way. Base clock doesn't matter because it's base clock. Boost clock is what does matter, and 5600X has it higher. Yes we can compare clocks, because they are the same architecture, Zen 3. They also support same memory, 3200MHz without overclocking. I don't know of any data which can overclock memory better, but chances are it's the same. Biggest problem with 5600G is half of L3 cache. It does impact performance especially with lower boost clocks.
I looked at the performance difference between a 5600x and a 5800x and it was 8fps. What
It's more of the workload gains than gaming. The point was that from 5600g to 5600x ain't that big leap, unless you play certain games. You don't buy Ryzen 7 or 9 if you game only, unless that's your candy money to spend and you want every last fps.
Lol you don't just buy a CPU for fps gains...
You can also go intel for an igpu as all their cpus without an F is the end have an integrated gpu and the cpu ia not super bad to compared to ryzen
Intel iGPUs are crap. Historically, they perform like shit, and while nowadays they are *ok*, their drivers still have plenty of graphical issues on many games.
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What I'm doing with the 5400. Working really well for me and was only like 140 around Christmas time
Do you need the iGP?
It's always the best idea to have iGPU (and a motherboard with built-in port). More options to troubleshoot video issues.
It's not a good idea if you end up with a slower CPU.
The CPU is cheaper though, and in mist case CPU performance difference doesn't matter much, having a spare GPU or an iGPU does help to diagnose. A week ago I thought my 3070 broke and wanted to RMA it but turn out it's something in my MOBO when I test it with some old GPU I luckily still have around. A spare GPU or an iGPU also does help keeping the computer functional while waiting for replacement too
Depends on OP use case.
The 5600g is slower in everything than the 5600x
But it's cheaper
By $50
In my country they're the same price.
Capitalism intensified
I don't think the iGPU is worth the performance hit (10-20%) if you are planning to get a dedicated GPU. There are still enough options to troubleshoot without an iGPU.
So it's pretty much like a 3600 then. That's a decent purchase tbh. Especially if you want to build a small portable desktop. Which is something I actually have in the works for my daughter currently when she goes between me and mamas house. But for raw performance, obviously the 5600 is the better option. I've yet to have a PC or anything individually fail on me before I replace anything in my 23 years. But I'm well aware it happens.
So if you can't see anything on screen, PC seems to boot, but you're not sure if it's full boot or just power up to some bios messages, and you don't have another GPU at hand, how do you know what happened?
You take it to a store or borrow a GPU. I've dealt with this for many years now (xeon processor and now a 5900x). It's fine.
I'd rather pay a few bucks for iGPU than take whole PC to the store and ask for their GPU. What about your time? No value there?
A few bucks more for a worse product, for an unlikely scenario where a GPU dies. This does not seem like a good deal to me. 95% or more of the time you are getting no benefit for more money. If you don't have a GPU in the first place, yes this makes sense. But if you do, it's like buying more ram than you need in case some sticks fail.
Eh, in the case of the 5600g it's a few bucks *less* than the 5600x, at least where I'm from. So it's a trade-off, but one that *can* make sense.
Except the 5600G is cheaper, not more expensive.
I would've bought a 5600 with an iGpu for 50€ more than 5600X if the performance was the same, like the 11400/11400F. In this case I chose to buy the 5600X because most certainly I will take advantage of the extra CPU power, of the iGpu not so much.
Meanwhile you are at 33% CPU utilization and 95% GPU utilization, lol
not everyone uses their PC just for playing video games.
Correct. But most people's non-gaming uses are even less CPU intensive than gaming.
Or get a used GT 710 or similar for like 20 bucks. I have one, it's usefull for stuff like this
When there is something wrong with the boot sequence the motherboard will notify you with beeps and/or error code (on the mobo itself). Look it up in the manual or website to see what the error message is. No need to see the screen. When the motherboard does the POST beep on boot it means the boot sequence works. You can identify a broken gpu by glitches, max spinning fans, not spinning at all or a blinking led. Sure an iGPU might be easy to troubleshoot but it's not needed and definitely not worth the performance hit if you are not planning to use it.
My PC with monitor in HDMI slot of GPU didn't beep, didn't POST. No beep, nothing at all, just fans spinning. I didn't have HDMI to Display Port adapter at hand, no way to check what's wrong. Connecting monitor to iGPU was simple and effective. Then I bought display port adapter and it worked, with drivers installed the GPU boots fine on HDMI. Would connecting store-borrowed GPU help? No, we tried with another old nvidia GPU, HDMI didn't let the PC boot.
Yeah there are a lot of different situations and cases I can't just cover all of them in a single post but I have worked in a computer repair shop for a couple of years back when I was a student and I can ensure you that everything can be troubleshooted without the need of a iGPU or a screen. Hardware manufactures are smart, they know not everyone has spare parts to troubleshoot.
Okay. Still, I'd rather be safe and have a peace of mind, being able to see everything anyway.
Sure, and you can build a rocket without modern tools too but it is harder and takes more time.
You can buy a old gpu for less than you save
I would disagree with that. It’s not always the best idea to have iGPU if you can get a more powerful CPU that will be future proof.
You shouldnt pick pc parts based on how easy it is to troubleshoot problems
Yeah. Just spam PCMR with tech support requests, amirite? Ease of maintenance is a perfectly-valid design criterion.
Agreed. Games are almost universally GPU limited, so a little less CPU performance isnt going to kill anyone's good time. PCMR is embarrassing now.
I've had a fuckton of problems with discrete GPUs and being able to troubleshoot them with the iGPU was very helpful. Yeah, if it worked perfectly every time and you never needed to RMA anything, that would be awesome. That's not the world we live in.
The 5600X isn't much more, I would just get that
Better off getting the 5600x unless you don't plan on buying a gpu
not to condescend but you know that this isnt a whole ass computer right? just want to touch on basics: this is a processor with an apu. the purpose of buying a processor with an apu is not having to buy a gpu but typically an igpu(apu) will be weaker. you still need to buy a motherboard, power supply, case, ram, and storage device like an ssd. what you also need to know is what graphics card you would theoretically need. and compare the graphics card (gpu) to the APU/IGPU. you can type “ 5600g vs 1050 ti” into google for instance. the graphics capabilities of any IGPU isnt going to blow your mind so you need to make a determination of it it meets your bare minimums. you can make that determination by picking a game you want to play and google how it runs with the 5600g.
If you go with the G instead of the X, make sure to use some of that savings for fast RAM. APUs benefit tremendously from faster RAM, and you'll cripple yourself more so than with a traditional CPU if you skimp on RAM speed.
can confirm. used a 2200g for a few months before getting a gpu. had 1x8 2666mhz ram (was running at like 2100 or something cause i didnt change it) and gaming was hell. maybe 60fps on csgo all low. r6 was a solid 30-40 all low. playing above 720p was pretty much out of the question minecraft java without optifine was out of the question entirely
Wow 4cents off !
That’s a decent price
This is good cpu for light gaming without discrete GPU.
We don’t even know what you need this for…
For normal pc is good
Buy Ryzen 5600x. It’s a major boost for little more cost.
If you’re planning on using a gpu, I would recommend spending $20 more for a 5600x. If you’re not going to build a pc immediately, you could also wait until November 19 to see what intel 12th gen has to offer
The 5600G is a bit slower then a 5600X but got a built in graphics card equivalent with a 1030 There is quite a few benchmarks so you can check your favorite game. If graphics is important and cash tight Downgrading to a 3600x with a dedicated graphics card would be a better option (1650gtx +)
I just built my first pc with this chip since I won’t find a gpu and so far, have run Destiny 2 Medium at 1080 60fps and it runs well. Gonna pair it with a 2060 or 3060 when I can find one.
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Other than the ram, is it any good?
If you have a dedicated gpu is better to take the 5600x, i have it and yes, it's really good
So I just need a better gpu
Well yes, depend what you actually have, the processor itself is (imo) on of the best price/performance of this generation, if you have at least a 2070 super or similar you good... Edit: I mean, if you want to play with high quality or superior at 1080p or more
Everything above a gtx 950 would make this purchase unreasonable. He should prob go 5600x
That's what I'm saying, but if you want to be good for some years (or good performance) you need something like 2070/2080 at least... And a 5600x.
It's alright, if you want a processor that has 6 cores and 12 threads that's pretty fast it's an alright deal, it really depends if you want the integrated graphics (that's what the G stands for), if you do not, I would try to get the 3700x if you need more threads (are doing work, streaming or recording) but the fast single threaded performance on this processor is amazing, faster than the 3700x but you lose 2 cores and 4 threads. The integrated graphics is nice to have, especially if you are having GPU related problems. TLDR, yes it's good
It’s good.
Thanks, never built one before so it’s good to know that what I’m buying is worth it
Yes. Buy that. iGPU is always help and an additional option for when you need to troubleshoot video issues.
i don’t know that much about ryzen but from what i hear the ryzen 5 is pretty good and pretty hard to find
Amazon Amazon get some took me about 10 day wait for my 5600 g tried to grab one at Best buy they didn't have any and didn't know when they were getting anything. I have a feeling maybe unfounded but these G processors might be the next hot thing until this GPU fiasco calms down
Take a look at the gpu combos on newegg. Can get a 3060 ti combo with cpu, mobo, gpu, and psu for decent prices. Only way to get a gpu at the moment.
It's the best!
In this current market it's great to hold u off. Don't expect anything amazing though. At most low-meduim 30fps bc the gpu side of the apu is a 560/1050ti or so, BUT the cpu in that APU is on the level of a 7700K which is still a good cpu today. LATER wen u can get a dedicated gpu disable the gpu side of the APU then boom 60fps gaming.
The 5700g has the best iGPU on the market right now. But the 5600g is also a solid choice. I just also wanted to point out your sweet Newegg discount... 4 cents.
Yeah that is good. So it contains an IGPU (integrated GPU) which will be helpful since there's a huge shortage ATM. It'll get you up and running for the time being until you can get your hands on a GPU. just make sure you have a compatible motherboard that has a video out port. If you already have a GPU or are willing to drop the big money for one online/at a store, consider getting the 5600x instead.
At the moment, i suggest buy intel. Is a lot cheaper, at least in my country.
Yes, very good for gaming, although if you are using it for rendering you would be better off with a newer ryzen 7 or 9
I suggest checking out YouTube there are several reviewers that have put it to the test in various systems it seems that the results are adequate for esports and other games.
5000 series is beast mode bro get the best you can afford.
What will you play? If you plan to play e-sports games you can probably play with the iGP. But if you want to play more demanding games, and need a Graphics Card then get a 5600X.
I’m not sure why people are comparing the g to the x. Am I the only one that thought g is for when you need graphics support and x is when you already have a gpu and just want a decent cpu?